I don't know. Did you see him defeat the stronger opponent in combat through speed and agility only to let his guard down due to yelling accusations rather than finishing them off once defeated?
I guess he won the battle but lost the war so to speak.
Had he stuck that spear into his opponent's neck. Or at least stood back seven feet and out of arm's reach while he bled out he would have won.
>momentary upper hand >dude was on the ground with a foot of spear blade in his fricking chest
you're a fricking moron. all the viper had to do was walk away after that point and the fight would have been over. he literally won the combat portion of the encounter.
He lost because of his ego and personal connection to the mountain. If it was a pure fight without that aspect the viper or whatever would have just immediately executed mountain as soon as he was on the ground. Instead he circled around him demanding an apology or whatever. So speed did win the combat aspect here
I don't know. Did you see him defeat the stronger opponent in combat through speed and agility only to let his guard down due to yelling accusations rather than finishing them off once defeated?
>having the upper hand momentarily=defeating
Don't get me wrong. From what was shown he could have defeated him, but he very much did not
>momentary upper hand >dude was on the ground with a foot of spear blade in his fricking chest
you're a fricking moron. all the viper had to do was walk away after that point and the fight would have been over. he literally won the combat portion of the encounter.
>um, sir, the rules say I technically won so you can't smash my skull to piece-ACK
>have a fight to the death >both guys kill each other >declare one a "winner"
what the frick was even up with that
He died and got brought back with magic, just like Catelyn Stark
Yeah but at the time of the trial he was still hanging on. The other guy was definitely dead, Mountain was almost there, but since he had a pulse then technically he wins.
I mean not for nothing but me personally I'm 5'6, I never let that shit hold me back. I'm well trained in MMA, got Krav Mega under my belt, and I was in the service. I've gotten into plenty of street fights and a lot of these "big" and "tough" guys tire out after just exchanging a few blows, and that's when I strike, knocking them the frick out. You can cope all you want about manlets online, but the reality is I know for a fact I could beat the shit out of 99% of this board. >B-But me bigger!
Fight ends up on the grown, I get you locked, it's over.
You stay on your feet? All good, I tire you out then just graze your chin, it's over.
If the person is fat and tall. Do your best to just get out of there. Otherwise yes, fight as dirty as possible. Life's not a movie. Think of it like an attack from an animal. Hit the eyes, throat, balls whatever. And try and get at a distance once you've landed a strike. People die in fights.
just learn to box. i guarantee 6 months 3 times a week, and you'll be able to knock out the bottom 50% of people ( old men, skinny teenagers, skinny-fat office workers, fat average height men etc etc)
even if you only learn to a boxing stance, to keep your hands up chin in, how to throw a 1-2, a 3-4-3, and a 1-2-3 you'll be doing well.
I'm 6'2 and have a black belt in taekwon-do, and have 2.5 years of jiu jitsu. I've also been a bouncer for over 10 years. so I've had the opportunity to use my training every weekend. most people have no skills, and are rarely tested, if ever.
keep training man, frick the haters. you little guys need to be ninjas to survive out there.
and big guys, stay lean. stretch, and train in a few styles. nothing worse than a little dude giving you a wedgie cause your ego flared up.
>I mean not for nothing but me personally I'm 5'6, I never let that shit hold me back. I'm well trained in MMA, got Krav Mega under my belt, and I was in the service. I've gotten into plenty of street fights and a lot of these "big" and "tough" guys tire out after just exchanging a few blows, and that's when I strike, knocking them the frick out. You can cope all you want about manlets online, but the reality is I know for a fact I could beat the shit out of 99% of this board. >>B-But me bigger! >Fight ends up on the grown, I get you locked, it's over. >You stay on your feet? All good, I tire you out then just graze your chin, it's over.
Spears >swords >but he's a big guy
Who gives a shit. That's why we have weapons, to kill guys bigger than us.
Oberyn only died because he stopped to gloat and gave up his advantage.
In full plate swords are probably better. More nimble to get into the gaps and can be an ad hoc club. Irl they switched from spears to fancy multitool type weapons for foot combat around the 15th century.
This is completely untrue. A sword is an expensive weapon, for one, and also gets completely outclassed by a spear in range and power. There's no gap in armor that you can exploit with a sword that you cannot exploit better with a spear.
No one cares about expense in a fight to death. A sword is more nimble in close quarters so getting it into the gaps is easier than a long spear. You aren't hitting them from eight feet away. There are countless examples of swords clearly made to fight armour, while for armoured foot combat spears were mostly replaced by poleaxes and halberds etc while people still carried swords as sidearms.
People always take these things too far. Most warriors in most cases mostly used spears, but it's just a pointy fricking stick not some universal solution to melee combat. Besides viper didn't even wear armour.
it was written by some fatass who doesnt understand fights and might never have been in one. a spear has clear reach advantage, and poisoned at that, would be an easy win either way and if it werent fantasy schlock, the mountain wouldve used something similar, not a sword. possibly a morning star or a mace and shield
It's a little more interesting than "DEX beats STR" in the book because Oberyn also uses a polished shield in addition to his spear, and he keeps pissing Gregor off and keeping him unfocused by getting sunlight in his eyes. Plus Gregor is banged up from a skirmish a couple weeks earlier because he's a tardrage fighter who doesn't care how many times he gets hit. But Dumb and Dumber couldn't make the scene that complex.
This made me appreciate the scene in Alatriste where the villain puts his boot and blade to his downed opponents blade, so theres no funny business. He also keeps his dagger ready incase he tries to draw his own dagger.
Then once he's disarmed him he dips him with the blade and thats that. No time for final speeches, or letting down the guard. Skewered. The end. Villain wins.
no he wins because spears absolutely destroy swords. even multiple sword users would fall to one spearman. thats how broken tier they are. to be allowed to use it in a duel is nuts.
Eh, you see, it wasn't just about the spear, my friend. The Romans, they had this thing called discipline and organization. They marched together like a well-oiled machine, shields locked, swords ready. It wasn't just about stabbin' someone; it was about fightin' as a unit. Plus, they had those damn legions – organized, disciplined, and ready to kick ass. It's like in life, kid, sometimes it's not about the weapon you got; it's how you use it. The Romans, they knew how to use what they had, and that's how they conquered half the freakin' world.
Can we talk about how the strongest man in the world was a complete clod, just stumbling around in some of the worst choreography put to film? Can we mention that only the og mountain had the right mix of acting skill, size, and athleticism and the other two were complete dumpster fires that shills tried to psyops us in to thinking were good choices? Or how judicial duels in westeros are completely moronic video game arena matches with seemingly no formal rituals or standardized equipment?
>So was he being honest?
Of course not. He was saying anything he could think of in the moment because he had a crossbow pointed at his heart. Plus he's an old white man, you think they really know how to tell the truth? Lol LMAO even
I knew I was watching the wrong show by this point cause I rooted so hard for the brown and was ecstatic as he demanded the mountain to claim responsibility for the deaths but then once again the good guy is crushed and thats that. By the time of S8 all we had left to root for was John Snow and he was a very unexciting figure to get behind. Stannis was the last one worth fighting for and you know how that went
>the Wildlings are at camp, showering Jon with gifts and the songs of their people >Jon smiles, enjoying this valuable cultural experience >a cry is heard in the distance >suddenly, the camera pans to the thundering stampede of a thousand men on horses >we see Stannis driving the men to fight by cracking a flaming whip >"FORM RANKS, YOU DOGS" >in the distance, Wildling women and children are burning, the soundtrack a high screaming wail >"TAKE THE WOMEN FOR OUR THRALLS," Stannis shouts, "FEED THE BABES TO THE FIRES" >"Yes," cries Davos, "R'hllor hungers!" >Jon looks on, his face grief-stricken >"Seven save us," Jon whispers, "he's even making the women and children pay the Iron price!" >after defeating the Wildlings, Stannis meets Jon on top of the Wall >"You're the oathbreaking bastard that killed the Halfhand and copulated with a savage Wildling. You're just like your moronic brother and useless father, a traitor and an oathbreaker. Give me one reason why I shouldn't behead you." >"I'm the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch!" Jon pleas >"Davos come here," Stannis beckons >Davos asks "Your grace?" >Stannis pushes Davos off the Wall. >"Melisandre, quickly, get my guards. Lord Snow killed my Onion Knight."
I stopped watching the show in season 1, but the whole point of the books is that there are no good guys left after Ned dies
A shitty world where everyone is out for themselves is fun
that'd be fine if thats what we got but GoT leans in favor of the bad guys time and time again >lannisters early on >Freys >Boltons
its pretty clear that the starks are naive at worst and are ultimately the more noble characters, in the Vipers case it was undoubtable he was the hero in that altercation fighting for a wrongfully imprisoned man and to avenge his raped and murdered sister,
only Stannis seems to even out and hes definitely a neutral figure
have you seen videos of sword vs spear. sword man tries so hard to get near the spear man and always getting poke regardless of their stance/maneuvers.
It’s actually rather funny HEMA gays hate any spin moves with a sword cause it looks too much like a movie but against a spear that needs to attack as a straight line, doing cool figure 8 sword spins to get in is exactly the right technique. Spin until you hit that spear and then charge and slide down the handle.
Like others have said, he did, but he lost because he got careless. If he had been more of a professional and didn't show off even, the mountain would not even have gotten a chance.
What? Are you talking about Oberon? You're making the same point as I am. If oberon went full "I"m a warrior and my goal is to kill him before he kills me" mode, the mountain wouldn't exist for very long.
Yeah no, the mountain is just a... mountain of flesh. He relies on pure strength and overpowering the enemy. The average peasant or knight can't handle his size or power. Oberyn naturally is a DEX gay and did his dancing to kill him blablabla.
Exactly he thought he would be easy to beat like everyone else so he got btfo by novel tactics. With adequate preparation, though, Mountain should win with better equipment and more strength.
Well, he pretty much did.
Did we watch the same show
I don't know. Did you see him defeat the stronger opponent in combat through speed and agility only to let his guard down due to yelling accusations rather than finishing them off once defeated?
>having the upper hand momentarily=defeating
Don't get me wrong. From what was shown he could have defeated him, but he very much did not
I guess he won the battle but lost the war so to speak.
Had he stuck that spear into his opponent's neck. Or at least stood back seven feet and out of arm's reach while he bled out he would have won.
The spear was coated in poison in the novel. The moment he got a wound, the Mountain was a dead man walking.
>momentary upper hand
>dude was on the ground with a foot of spear blade in his fricking chest
you're a fricking moron. all the viper had to do was walk away after that point and the fight would have been over. he literally won the combat portion of the encounter.
>um, sir, the rules say I technically won so you can't smash my skull to piece-ACK
He lost because of his ego and personal connection to the mountain. If it was a pure fight without that aspect the viper or whatever would have just immediately executed mountain as soon as he was on the ground. Instead he circled around him demanding an apology or whatever. So speed did win the combat aspect here
Anon he raped and murdered his sister
Yeah and he could have not been murdered himself if he was smart and kileld him off, or at least stood 7 feet away from him
It was a draw, really
It wasn't a draw. Viper won.
he got his head crushed bro
If neither man lives after a fight, I don't see how one is a winner.
This. OP is a dumbass
My memory is a little fuzzy, remind me again, who won the fight?
Yeah getting second is general that
he won because of speed reach and most importantly poison (also gregor being a drugged out manic moron)
True. He was defeated by his low INT.
>have a fight to the death
>both guys kill each other
>declare one a "winner"
what the frick was even up with that
Mountain didn't die. He was barely alive but he was still alive.
he was a zombie
Yeah but at the time of the trial he was still hanging on. The other guy was definitely dead, Mountain was almost there, but since he had a pulse then technically he wins.
Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were wrong about how he came back. You're correct
He died and got brought back with magic, just like Catelyn Stark
>He died
Yes, after Oberon died and the duel was concluded.
>just like Catelyn Stark
Showgays were deprived of Lady Stoneheart. Very sad!
>Showgays were deprived of Lady Stoneheart.
A stupid idea and GRRM is a moron for implementing it.
one died first
Dunno, one of them looks less dead than the other.
The homosexual manlet had to resort to poison against the hyperchad Clegane.
>*woosh woosh*
>*teleports behind his back*
truly it was pride, not the gigantic man crushing his skull, that killed him
I mean not for nothing but me personally I'm 5'6, I never let that shit hold me back. I'm well trained in MMA, got Krav Mega under my belt, and I was in the service. I've gotten into plenty of street fights and a lot of these "big" and "tough" guys tire out after just exchanging a few blows, and that's when I strike, knocking them the frick out. You can cope all you want about manlets online, but the reality is I know for a fact I could beat the shit out of 99% of this board.
>B-But me bigger!
Fight ends up on the grown, I get you locked, it's over.
You stay on your feet? All good, I tire you out then just graze your chin, it's over.
The thing is. You don't have the mass to knock them over or the reach to strike them. It's just the actual reality.
I'm a short guy and my plan if I ever had to fight is to go for the knees. Will this work? Like just try and snap them. I can kick pretty good.
>breaking a guys knees in half over a bar fight
anon im not a 'muh honor' gay but thats dirty. just kick/knee him in the nuts or something
>over a bar fight
I don't get in bar fights. My assumption is if I'm fighting its life or death. I don't just get in fights for fun.
Fair enough
get a gun then
I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident so I don't have any anymore it was very sad.
Kek. It would be so hard to remember exactly where the ship went down and even then, so expensive to recover....
If the person is fat and tall. Do your best to just get out of there. Otherwise yes, fight as dirty as possible. Life's not a movie. Think of it like an attack from an animal. Hit the eyes, throat, balls whatever. And try and get at a distance once you've landed a strike. People die in fights.
just learn to box. i guarantee 6 months 3 times a week, and you'll be able to knock out the bottom 50% of people ( old men, skinny teenagers, skinny-fat office workers, fat average height men etc etc)
even if you only learn to a boxing stance, to keep your hands up chin in, how to throw a 1-2, a 3-4-3, and a 1-2-3 you'll be doing well.
If one of your opponents decides to tackle you to the ground rather than swing at you then you're fricked, manlet.
This post is female energy
Bane?
>A gimp mask with piss tubes
Short men are the Black folk of the world
Is there the same chart but for dick size?
(asking for a female friend who is a woman)
Use the same chart and numbers just read it as inches instead of feet.
I'm 6'2 and have a black belt in taekwon-do, and have 2.5 years of jiu jitsu. I've also been a bouncer for over 10 years. so I've had the opportunity to use my training every weekend. most people have no skills, and are rarely tested, if ever.
keep training man, frick the haters. you little guys need to be ninjas to survive out there.
and big guys, stay lean. stretch, and train in a few styles. nothing worse than a little dude giving you a wedgie cause your ego flared up.
What a pile of horse shit. In a street fight whoever gets in the first blow will win 99% of the time.
Napoleon, who let you off Elba?
>MMA, got Krav Mega under my belt
lmao instant giveaway that you have no idea what youre talking about
>On the grown.
Oh no.
That’s awkward.
>all these replies coping
Good job, sir manlet.
Midge
what's that? I couldn't hear you little guy, speak up.
MIDGE
What if I beat you with a hammer could you israelite Fu your way out of that one
>I mean not for nothing but me personally I'm 5'6, I never let that shit hold me back.
Good on ya, anon. That's a sign of growth.
>I mean not for nothing but me personally I'm 5'6, I never let that shit hold me back. I'm well trained in MMA, got Krav Mega under my belt, and I was in the service. I've gotten into plenty of street fights and a lot of these "big" and "tough" guys tire out after just exchanging a few blows, and that's when I strike, knocking them the frick out. You can cope all you want about manlets online, but the reality is I know for a fact I could beat the shit out of 99% of this board.
>>B-But me bigger!
>Fight ends up on the grown, I get you locked, it's over.
>You stay on your feet? All good, I tire you out then just graze your chin, it's over.
This image never ceases to amuse. Thanks anon
shaving your balding head is such obvious cope it ends up making you look insecure
>the "just shave your head bro" cope
>The long beard cope
>roided while being manlet cope
This dude is pulling every cope known to man I bet he was on his tiptoes in this pic
EL MANLETTO ESTA CALIENTO EL MANLETTO
It's so cute when manlets act tough.
Nice.
>*woosh woosh*
>I'm not here! I'm right here now!
>*woosh*
>poisons his weapon like a woman
He cheated.
*teleports behind you*
>Ha Ha! Too slow!
Spears >swords
>but he's a big guy
Who gives a shit. That's why we have weapons, to kill guys bigger than us.
Oberyn only died because he stopped to gloat and gave up his advantage.
In full plate swords are probably better. More nimble to get into the gaps and can be an ad hoc club. Irl they switched from spears to fancy multitool type weapons for foot combat around the 15th century.
This is completely untrue. A sword is an expensive weapon, for one, and also gets completely outclassed by a spear in range and power. There's no gap in armor that you can exploit with a sword that you cannot exploit better with a spear.
No one cares about expense in a fight to death. A sword is more nimble in close quarters so getting it into the gaps is easier than a long spear. You aren't hitting them from eight feet away. There are countless examples of swords clearly made to fight armour, while for armoured foot combat spears were mostly replaced by poleaxes and halberds etc while people still carried swords as sidearms.
People always take these things too far. Most warriors in most cases mostly used spears, but it's just a pointy fricking stick not some universal solution to melee combat. Besides viper didn't even wear armour.
He wasn't gloating, the whole point of him dueling Gregor in the first place was to get the Mountain to finger Tywin.
>expectations: SUBVERTED
>bet you didn't see this TWIST coming!
Bravo GRRM. Now let's see you try literally anything else.
Meanwhile, Hafthor beat Devon Larratt, the smaller man, in about 2 seconds flat.
it was written by some fatass who doesnt understand fights and might never have been in one. a spear has clear reach advantage, and poisoned at that, would be an easy win either way and if it werent fantasy schlock, the mountain wouldve used something similar, not a sword. possibly a morning star or a mace and shield
I take it you've been in a lot of renaissance fair fights.
you are not intelligent
>Disregard the two handed sword with all the reach that the Mountain can swing with a single hand
>Opt for the shorter morning star instead
Why?
It's a little more interesting than "DEX beats STR" in the book because Oberyn also uses a polished shield in addition to his spear, and he keeps pissing Gregor off and keeping him unfocused by getting sunlight in his eyes. Plus Gregor is banged up from a skirmish a couple weeks earlier because he's a tardrage fighter who doesn't care how many times he gets hit. But Dumb and Dumber couldn't make the scene that complex.
This made me appreciate the scene in Alatriste where the villain puts his boot and blade to his downed opponents blade, so theres no funny business. He also keeps his dagger ready incase he tries to draw his own dagger.
Then once he's disarmed him he dips him with the blade and thats that. No time for final speeches, or letting down the guard. Skewered. The end. Villain wins.
no he wins because spears absolutely destroy swords. even multiple sword users would fall to one spearman. thats how broken tier they are. to be allowed to use it in a duel is nuts.
>spears absolutely destroy swords. even multiple sword users would fall to one spearman
>conquers the known world without using spears
Eh, you see, it wasn't just about the spear, my friend. The Romans, they had this thing called discipline and organization. They marched together like a well-oiled machine, shields locked, swords ready. It wasn't just about stabbin' someone; it was about fightin' as a unit. Plus, they had those damn legions – organized, disciplined, and ready to kick ass. It's like in life, kid, sometimes it's not about the weapon you got; it's how you use it. The Romans, they knew how to use what they had, and that's how they conquered half the freakin' world.
>Romans didn't have spears
Holy moronation, Batman.
Javelins aren't spears and serve an entirely different purpose.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hastatus
Disingenuous. By the time the romans were conquering they used swords as the primary weapon
>uhm ACTUALLY spears were better than swords
This meme became cringe incredibly quickly
Can we talk about how the strongest man in the world was a complete clod, just stumbling around in some of the worst choreography put to film? Can we mention that only the og mountain had the right mix of acting skill, size, and athleticism and the other two were complete dumpster fires that shills tried to psyops us in to thinking were good choices? Or how judicial duels in westeros are completely moronic video game arena matches with seemingly no formal rituals or standardized equipment?
Yeah I'm so sad it was so low effort. Cleganebowl too was a dissapointment.
Fricking dabid and dabid.
yeah I agree the first actor was better suited
So was he being honest? Was he really not planning on killing Tyrion?
I don't even fricking remember what Tyrion was doing before he fled to Easteros
Bedding a prostitute in his chambers
>So was he being honest?
Of course not. He was saying anything he could think of in the moment because he had a crossbow pointed at his heart. Plus he's an old white man, you think they really know how to tell the truth? Lol LMAO even
Impossible to say since he was under duress, but I can believe that he would have allowed Tyrion to take the black.
I knew I was watching the wrong show by this point cause I rooted so hard for the brown and was ecstatic as he demanded the mountain to claim responsibility for the deaths but then once again the good guy is crushed and thats that. By the time of S8 all we had left to root for was John Snow and he was a very unexciting figure to get behind. Stannis was the last one worth fighting for and you know how that went
>the Wildlings are at camp, showering Jon with gifts and the songs of their people
>Jon smiles, enjoying this valuable cultural experience
>a cry is heard in the distance
>suddenly, the camera pans to the thundering stampede of a thousand men on horses
>we see Stannis driving the men to fight by cracking a flaming whip
>"FORM RANKS, YOU DOGS"
>in the distance, Wildling women and children are burning, the soundtrack a high screaming wail
>"TAKE THE WOMEN FOR OUR THRALLS," Stannis shouts, "FEED THE BABES TO THE FIRES"
>"Yes," cries Davos, "R'hllor hungers!"
>Jon looks on, his face grief-stricken
>"Seven save us," Jon whispers, "he's even making the women and children pay the Iron price!"
>after defeating the Wildlings, Stannis meets Jon on top of the Wall
>"You're the oathbreaking bastard that killed the Halfhand and copulated with a savage Wildling. You're just like your moronic brother and useless father, a traitor and an oathbreaker. Give me one reason why I shouldn't behead you."
>"I'm the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch!" Jon pleas
>"Davos come here," Stannis beckons
>Davos asks "Your grace?"
>Stannis pushes Davos off the Wall.
>"Melisandre, quickly, get my guards. Lord Snow killed my Onion Knight."
>the good guys must always win!! like in my Marvel movies!!
Yes.
the good guys had already lost like 3 times before the mountain fight, its cringe to watch a show where good loses again and again
I stopped watching the show in season 1, but the whole point of the books is that there are no good guys left after Ned dies
A shitty world where everyone is out for themselves is fun
that'd be fine if thats what we got but GoT leans in favor of the bad guys time and time again
>lannisters early on
>Freys
>Boltons
its pretty clear that the starks are naive at worst and are ultimately the more noble characters, in the Vipers case it was undoubtable he was the hero in that altercation fighting for a wrongfully imprisoned man and to avenge his raped and murdered sister,
only Stannis seems to even out and hes definitely a neutral figure
But... he did? I think a better example is what happened at the end of hotd
I thought we all agreed to stop watching that when monke left?
the mountain is fricked there regardless. spear >>>> sword.
>chops spear in half with my sword
What now moron?
have you seen videos of sword vs spear. sword man tries so hard to get near the spear man and always getting poke regardless of their stance/maneuvers.
I would just dodge and spin. You'd never get me. Once I get inside the spear point you're dead.
>speargay attempts to poke me
>I do a cool spin and step one step forward
>I cut your head off
It’s actually rather funny HEMA gays hate any spin moves with a sword cause it looks too much like a movie but against a spear that needs to attack as a straight line, doing cool figure 8 sword spins to get in is exactly the right technique. Spin until you hit that spear and then charge and slide down the handle.
makes me wonder, Should spears have hilts? seems like it could prevent the scenario you described
Some did but the main use of spears was formations of guys not 1v1 duelling
Those videos don't account for armor
>you try to do le chop, miss because my spear is not some static object, and I thrust stab you a dozen times in quick succession
What now moron?
His sword is huge it's basically the dame length as a spear
saving it...shittttt. im gonna go find another thread right now even if its barely related to farm some You's to get my numbers up for this pay period
>All Cinemaphile says is "swords, spears, strength, dex"
>I just wanna kill for God's sake
Like others have said, he did, but he lost because he got careless. If he had been more of a professional and didn't show off even, the mountain would not even have gotten a chance.
>a chance
I don't know. With different tactics he could have won fair and square. He was just overconfident.
What? Are you talking about Oberon? You're making the same point as I am. If oberon went full "I"m a warrior and my goal is to kill him before he kills me" mode, the mountain wouldn't exist for very long.
No, Gregor. He had the advantages to win but didn't take Oberyn seriously.
Yeah no, the mountain is just a... mountain of flesh. He relies on pure strength and overpowering the enemy. The average peasant or knight can't handle his size or power. Oberyn naturally is a DEX gay and did his dancing to kill him blablabla.
Exactly he thought he would be easy to beat like everyone else so he got btfo by novel tactics. With adequate preparation, though, Mountain should win with better equipment and more strength.
>If the situation was different, then I'm right.