Left is critics being absolute Disney shills as was the custom back then, while the audience was finally fed up with it all and made it known.
Right is critics seeing the writing on the wall and stopping to defend the indefensible in order to protect what's left of their credibility, while Disney realized they could just bombard the audience reviews with positivity and bury any discontent. This is the stage we're currently on and what Wish shows.
Want evidence? Check The Marvels, same deal but less severe of a gap, and I doubt anyone's about to defend that one despite having pretty much the same audience score as Wish (61% critics 83% audience)
Still not Enough? Quantumania. 46% critics 82 % audience.
Indiana Jones this year: 69% critics 88% audience
Haunted Mansion 2023: 37% critics 84% audience, just look at that shit.
Little mermaid: 67% critics and FRICKING 94% AUDIENCE
Only Guardians 3 and Elemental count as exceptions this year as is the trend with these two.
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill!
Or, maybe you just can't handle differing opinions.
It's a process, you see.
Left is critics being absolute Disney shills as was the custom back then, while the audience was finally fed up with it all and made it known.
Right is critics seeing the writing on the wall and stopping to defend the indefensible in order to protect what's left of their credibility, while Disney realized they could just bombard the audience reviews with positivity and bury any discontent. This is the stage we're currently on and what Wish shows.
Want evidence? Check The Marvels, same deal but less severe of a gap, and I doubt anyone's about to defend that one despite having pretty much the same audience score as Wish (61% critics 83% audience)
Still not Enough? Quantumania. 46% critics 82 % audience.
Indiana Jones this year: 69% critics 88% audience
Haunted Mansion 2023: 37% critics 84% audience, just look at that shit.
Little mermaid: 67% critics and FRICKING 94% AUDIENCE
Only Guardians 3 and Elemental count as exceptions this year as is the trend with these two.
Rotten tomatoes is meaningless as anything but a citation you can use to justify any argument for or against a movie or TV show.
When something you don't like gets a bad RT score, RT is based and factual. When it doesn't, it's dumb and the reviews are paid for.
When it's something you like, it's reversed.
If the critics like the thing you like but the audience doesn't, the audience are morons and the critics are intellectuals. When it's the other way around, critics are out of touch shills and the audience are the voice of the people.
It means nothing. You people just take every RT page and twist it into whichever shapeis most pleasing to you
>All these shit movies that bomb still have high audience scores.
Because no one fricking sees them.
You're looking at the end result of statistical bias of the most hardcore fanboy going to see movies that most people panned before they came out, which they are going to rate highly even if halfway through the movie ushers came out and delivered a T-shirt cannon of diarrhea right into their faces.
That's why RoS has a high audience score but terrible critic score: who the frick else was going to go see a Star Wars movie after TLJ? Not sane, rational people who are determined to remain unbiased.
It's like that Chinese movie review site, where anything below like a 9.2/10 is considered dogshit, because of the same bias present.
The fact that Wish only got 82% from people who cared enough to purchase a ticket, watch it, and then leave a review, says a lot about its quality. People who saw the trailers and said "wow this is dogshit I'm not watching it" will never get a chance to review it.
They changed how the audience scores are calculated, and they disallow audience reviews from anyone who didn't purchase a ticket directly from them. These changes were made for the first Captain Marvel movie.
Audience scores are as trustworthy as critic scores at this point. So the only takeaway we can get from audience scores is if it has a bad score, then it is really bad. If it has a good audience score, then it's par for the course and a secondary source is needed to verify that it isn't shit.
Why do people shill for RT, especially here, of all places, and think they're an impartial source of information when they're owned by two large media corporations with direct ties to the film industry? That's huge conflict of interest.
It's like trusting Youtube to vouch for Google when they're both owned by Alphabet.
How do people still take RT seriously when it's 25% owned by Warner Bros Discovery and 75% NBCUniversal (owns Universal Pictures, and is owned by Comcast).
If you think shill threads on this site or bots on twitter are out of control, how do you think it's going on a site that
- is a self-designated primary battleground for movie reviews
- is owned by the industry it's supposed to keep in check
- that likely has a bunch of competitors to these owner companies thinking "well we can't let our rivals write the history books so we'll have to bot ourselves"
You would need a LOT of counter measures to eliminate all those risks and I don't think RT has demonstrated at all that it's up to the task.
>Media literate
TLJ is not a deep movie. It gives us morals like "if the Nazi is hot maybe give him a chance" "you should stop someone from making a last-ditch self-sacrificing attempt to save others, because Somehow Love Will Prevail," and "rebels should blindly follow orders that seem likely to get everyone killed."
It throws in things like a Luke that gave up, because that's really what the world needs, a story telling us that if any young heroes ever stop genocidal maniacs it doesn't matter because it'll all be undone in their lifetime and they'll grow up to be jaded shits that give up on everyone else.
Throw in that half the story was about a road trip that went nowhere and the whole ramming with hyperdrive nonsense and you've got a turd. A turd that critics were willing to applaud because they went "wow, the writer steering the story into a ditch really subverted expectations." A few years later the same critics without a hint of self-awareness complained that the next part of the story failed to get out of the ditch.
You don't get it, both the rebels and first order get their weapons from the same people so they're both equally bad >Didn't one side blow up an entire solar system killing potentially quadrillions and the other side destroyed the machine that blew up that solar system?
Hey shut up it's deep and insightful!
I will never understand why The Last Jedi struck such a chord with critics. It's honestly one of the dumber movies in the franchise with shit like Rose preaching about oppressed child farm hands to a literal conscripted child soldier/slave.
>with shit like Rose preaching about oppressed child farm hands to a literal conscripted child soldier/slave
She didn't do anything to help those kids. They just freed the space horses and left the kids there. The kids will probably be the ones who had to clean up the mess that the escaping horses left.
Last Jedi is the best movie in the sequel trilogy. I still cringed and facepalmed when watching it in theatre on release, but at least it has a bit of originality and soul. Ryan Johnson tried to do something new and unexpected with the franchise, while Abrams just went for easy nostalgia bait.
>the Last Jedi >Originality and soul
What do people mean by this? The Last Jedi was just as much as a nostalgia grab bag as the two other prequel movies.
The casino shit was just an extended version of the cantina scene. Even killing off a hero from the original trilogy after revealing them to be a jaded mess that feels guilty about Kylo was taken straight from the previous movie. The Holdo dilemma was long and uninteresting.
The only reason I can see someone really putting that movie in a different category from the other two is if they are REALLY into Rey and Kylo shipping.
When you actually look into it the Golden Globes are decided on by about a hundred nepotistic old-money hacks in socal. >https://www.pastemagazine.com/movies/golden-globes/golden-globes-dont-deserve-coverage
Sometimes they tend to have better nominations lists, but in general they are a vanity award compared even to the Oscars.
Rotten tomatoes is meaningless as anything but a citation you can use to justify any argument for or against a movie or TV show.
When something you don't like gets a bad RT score, RT is based and factual. When it doesn't, it's dumb and the reviews are paid for.
When it's something you like, it's reversed.
If the critics like the thing you like but the audience doesn't, the audience are morons and the critics are intellectuals. When it's the other way around, critics are out of touch shills and the audience are the voice of the people.
It means nothing. You people just take every RT page and twist it into whichever shapeis most pleasing to you
The thing is that RT critics have been fellating disney garbage for years non-stop, even fricking strange world and lightyear had forced positive reviewers
If Wish couldn't win over even these shallow-ass morons there must be something wrong with it
That's true. I often think that if the critics give a movie/show a bad score, and the audience give the same thing a good one, then the movie/show is probably good, and vice-verse, but it's not always the case.
For what I could tell from what E-Celebs & Gaytubers say
It's just a meh movie with nothing special other than being "DisneyTM", with that in mind, people who watch disney movies are your average normie who only wants to kill time, so If it's the same repetitive formula with no substance, its enough to sell
Don't surprisme and personally don't care if it succeds or fail, disney has been dead decades ago
The only good thing about this is that if the competition can do something better or at least above average, then they can get profit out of Disney sub-par movies again.
>Villian is the king who grants peoples wishes. >King only grants the wishes that would best benefit everyone >Girl wants her grandathers wish of "Wanting to inspire the next generation" to be granted >King feels its far to vague and dangerous to grant so he doesnt >Girl b***hes about it and King becomes the bad guy in all of this
the king was never the bad guy here. the moronic selfish b***h was.
I mean, the conflict in the movie is that their rich father figure who spoils them says 'no' to some stuff.
This is beyond first-world problems, it's 1%er problems.
I swear to fricking god the goat is probably the worst mascot/character design dissonance I've seen in a hot while, even the fricking chimp/monkey/orangutang Barb from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 is 10000000000000000000x more endearing than this and deserves to be called a sweet pea over whatever the hell this manchild goat is, honestly, frick this fricking goat monstrosity that makes the generic #435874365 disney princess that has the personality of a literal bimbo coddling what is supposed to be a ADULT goat trapped inside a baby goat body as if it were fricking Boss baby frick you you piece of shit
But dude. He's a baby goat. With a deep manly voice. That's CONTRAST, and it makes us SMART. Please clap.
They already did it with Finnick from Zootopia, and at least in that movie it makes sense since he's an actual criminal pretending to be a cute baby fox for scamming purposes.
I hate that fricking face so much, why can't a mascot just be cute or, endearing/weird if you wanna go for something different? No, let's just make some shitty smug face because it is sooo funny. Really, le quirky girl is way less annoying than whatever this is supposed to be
>even the fricking chimp/monkey/orangutang Barb from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 is 10000000000000000000x more endearing than this and deserves to be called a sweet pea over whatever the hell this manchild goat is
She was OK, butnothing revolutionary but she wasn't the mascot.
what the frick does that got to do with frick all this is a childrens' movie nor do children even barely grasp the idea of that fricking word fricking shit head company with its head on its ass and just wanting to pander to Rule 34 by making a bait old man for women except no one actually fricking wants him and a 17 year old just to make sure it's just one year off from being shagged by the bait old man
Yes, although it felt a bit rushed, like most Disney princess movies, she had every right to leave him.
Him threatening her life with the staff was probably what convinced her to leave after seeing numerous previous red flags.
Most of those scenes in your pic were done with bad intentions as well.
Most of the music feels out of place, because it is. They wanted them to be loose enough that they aren't too coupled to Wish's storyline so that they can be #1 singles, or TikTok memes.
They didn't go the Phil Collins route for Tarzan where he sings these barely-related songs while the animation carries the story forward, and instead we have the characters sing these pop tunes that have nothing to do with the story. So now the animation isn't carrying the story forward, and the music isn't either.
>Pop
Why do people keep saying this? There's only one pop song. Encanto has more pop songs.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>she had every right to leave him. Him threatening her life with the staff was probably what convinced her to leave after seeing numerous previous red flags.
He only threatened her AFTER being cursed by the book. Before he's shown clearly in love with her. And even at his worst he only kind of pushes her with his magic, which doesn't even hurts her.
>Most of those scenes in your pic were done with bad intentions as well.
Which ones?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Anons if your husband was under the influence and threatened to kill you, you'd leave too. And if not you're insane
At least she told the most important person in the kingdom: the baker.
Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever? I remember seeing a list of most hated characters in television and it had Joffery and Ramsey Bolton (actual torture murderer psychopaths) next to fricking Skylar white and Lori (unlikable women)
Shit is wild
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Most of those scenes in your pic were done with bad intentions as well.
You didn't answer. And if the love of my life were under a curse, I would find the way to help him.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not that anon who replied to you, sorry. And I understand sticking by your spouse even when they're abusive towards you under the influence. But most people aren't like that and it's unfair to expect them to be.
5 months ago
Anonymous
that's how wives get killed by their abuser husbands, don't be a statistic all your life
You live for decades with a person that not only has given YOU everything, he has given people from all over the world a home and only has a few rules to follow if they want to live in a Utopia.
Examples for this are Sabino getting mad at Asha and saying that Magnifico has made all possible for them, the queen believing the effect of the falling star was Magnifico "spoiling them" or the very citizens of Rosas adoring their king.
Then, one day, he's under a curse and YOU inmediately BETRAY him instead of being broken and desperate to save that person. Not only that, YOU also mock him when he loses and throw him away to be forgotten while he suffers...
No, yeah, frick Magnifico, everyone else was a cuddly bear while he was Satan.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Magnifico was in the wrong for touching the evil book despite warned repeatedly not to by his wife. But I still get mad at how the wife was mean to him after he got sealed in a mirror. That's only excused because he became cartoon villain because Disney executives mandated a return to classic villains halfway through the script
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Magnifico was in the wrong for touching the evil book despite warned repeatedly not to by his wife
His wife was in the wrong for not telling her husband about the "touch the evil book with no problems" oil.
Imagine a roast caught fire in the oven and the wife doesn't tell the husband where the oven mitts are for no reason.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I agree but I'm 300% convinced that was something the writers made up on the spot without thinking and the plot suffers for it. That logic can describe the whole third act
5 months ago
Anonymous
that's how wives get killed by their abuser husbands, don't be a statistic all your life
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever?
Without loyalty, the relationship is meaningless.
Ride to die... well not literally die, but anyway.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever?
Because.
Once you've had someone in your life who wakes up next to you, shares moments with you, watches TV with you, eats with you, goes on trips with you, shares in your most intimate moments of life with you, and stays with you for months, years, or more, and you are disloyal... It really fricking destroys every single thing.
And you truly will feel it when it's all said and done and you're alone with no one to talk to on the couch at night anymore.
Okay but in the case of Lori (thought husband was dead), Skylar (husband was a lying aggressive drug lord who also tried to force himself on her), and magnifico (pointed the equivalent of a gun to his wife under threat of death while under the influence), them "betraying" their spouses doesn't seem nearly as drastic as Joffery or Ramsey (who literally physically tortured people to death). They're unlikable, but still I feel like the degree of hatred is disproportionate
5 months ago
Anonymous
Ah, it's the "gun pointing" anon. Lol.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Is this logic wrong? It's very clearly threatening her life. (I say this as someone who sides with magnifico and prefer he killed her)
5 months ago
Anonymous
Is this logic wrong? It's very clearly threatening her life. (I say this as someone who sides with magnifico and prefer he killed her)
Not trying to be rude or anything, but was there actually any indication that Magnifico's magic staff could kill people? Its powers weren't really clear to me. The only time it seemed to do anything was when it sucked Star into itself. Star was released afterward anyway so it's not like death was a factor.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The green mechanics of his staff are stupid and unclear. But the audience and Amaya took it as a physical threat. Although in the finale the green just squeezes Asha so who knows. If you want my honest opinion, I think the writers wanted to make us understand he's threatening her life, but at the same time toned down the meganics to generic nickolodean slime/ghost hands because they wanted the movie enjoyed by literal toddlers. It was sanitized to hell and back. Because the stakes of the final fight are non-existent
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, then I don't really think it counts as "pointing a gun" at someone when the most detailed mechanic is that the staff can trap and release people. It doesn't even silence the people it confines. Though I realize I'm arguing semantics now.
Magnifico was in the wrong for touching the evil book despite warned repeatedly not to by his wife. But I still get mad at how the wife was mean to him after he got sealed in a mirror. That's only excused because he became cartoon villain because Disney executives mandated a return to classic villains halfway through the script
He was traumatized by his own past of his entire family and their kingdom being destroyed by evil people and was worried it was going to happen again. Usually in children's films that involve a character becoming corrupted by evil powers, the protagonists talk down the corrupted person, "I know you're in there. It's not your fault. I know you were scared. etc."
5 months ago
Anonymous
If that's the case, you can still argue physical assault threat based on him throwing Asha around and that time he flicked a green orb at Amaya and she seemed to be somewhat physically injured, based on her pained expression. Not as bad as killing, but I can understand the relationship being over because of that. Not to blog post but I had a relationship collapsed because someone smacked me. It happens. >I know you're in there
I agree this would have been nice to see. I think contemporary stories are leaning harder against forgiveness, which I find a bit sad. But again, I think it's because executives demanded an evil villain and they couldn't advertise that if he turns good.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>but I can understand the relationship being over because of that
Fair enough
5 months ago
Anonymous
Magnifico's wife just decided not to tell her husband about the oil that would have saved him.
I don't remember breaking bad all that well, but I do know that Skylar helped some rich guy cook the books. She wasn't against doing illegal shit, she was just against Walter's illegal shit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever?
Because.
Once you've had someone in your life who wakes up next to you, shares moments with you, watches TV with you, eats with you, goes on trips with you, shares in your most intimate moments of life with you, and stays with you for months, years, or more, and you are disloyal... It really fricking destroys every single thing.
And you truly will feel it when it's all said and done and you're alone with no one to talk to on the couch at night anymore.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever?
When the audience is outright told Queen Amaya is "a loyal, devoted wife," you know... we expect to see that clearly displayed in the story itself. That's why it feels like an intentional, insidious betrayal when put under scrutiny. Yet Amaya is a good guy in the end.
Bit of a rant. I was confused at the very beginning why Amaya was interacting with commoners at all. Idgaf if Dahlia is the castle baker, there are servants to take care of such minor ordeals while the queen serves her role, but the writers had nothing else for her to do once they nixed the original concept of her and Magnifico being a villain duo. She was window-dressing at best and a plot device at worst.
5 months ago
Anonymous
She let her husband be infected by an evil book because she didn't want to tell him about the evil book protection oil
5 months ago
Anonymous
At least she told the most important person in the kingdom: the baker.
Most of the music feels out of place, because it is. They wanted them to be loose enough that they aren't too coupled to Wish's storyline so that they can be #1 singles, or TikTok memes.
They didn't go the Phil Collins route for Tarzan where he sings these barely-related songs while the animation carries the story forward, and instead we have the characters sing these pop tunes that have nothing to do with the story. So now the animation isn't carrying the story forward, and the music isn't either.
These scores don't equate anything to filling seats or paying tickets. Guess what? It's free to say a movie is good online compared to going to see it. Review bombing and review glowing are actual things we're seeing lately.
It's out of 500. For a Disney movie.
The takeaway is that it's a very specific type of poor movie, one that a paid-to-review-it critic will write an article for saying "it's a bad movie, watch something better." But it's not SO bad to elicit the extreme annoyance required to make people log onto RT to say "it's fricking bad" especially if people already know it's flopping and has a bad score.
You've got ~500 die-hard Disney fans that'll give Disney a good grade no matter what.
I didn't watch this shit and don't really plan to but if Asha is apparently supposed to go on to become the Fairy Godmother from Cinderella why does she apparently magically become white?
>I didn't watch this shit
Like most people on this board. To answer your question, its just a reference.
This isn't some multiverse shit that morons on here kept parroting.
as the company that made Planes, the spinoff of Cars, had no intention of fleshing out other material out of their actually popular IPs instead of thwir rotten new ones! >t. anon that just got a sweet deal on a new bridge he's out to see next week
Wait, it's just a reference? Then why is her fairy godmother dress so ugly? Why make her a fairy god mother and not a princess? The only good news of this is that Magnifico has a chance to not suffer thousands of years in a mirror if they do a cheap ass disney+ show spinoff
Honestly 59/60 seems like a very accurate score for the movie. It was aggressively mediocre, which I suspect is what Nintendo wanted more than anything.
>little kids liked the movie
My 6 year old hated it and my 15 year old niece said she enjoyed Godzilla more.
By the way, this is a 15 year old that vehemently despises reading.
Additionally, we planned to do a Disney b-day party for my now 9 year old cousin last week and we went and saw Trolls instead.
Honestly 59/60 seems like a very accurate score for the movie. It was aggressively mediocre, which I suspect is what Nintendo wanted more than anything.
>little kids liked the movie
My 6 year old hated it and my 15 year old niece said she enjoyed Godzilla more.
By the way, this is a 15 year old that vehemently despises reading.
Additionally, we planned to do a Disney b-day party for my now 9 year old cousin last week and we went and saw Trolls instead.
How is it getting a high score from the audience when hardly anyone watched it? And if social media means anything, most of the commwnts who did watch it were not kind.
>people don't pay money to see a film unless they think they'll like it. >Kids almost always like films they see at cinemas. Parents like films their kids like.
>Kids almost always like films they see at cinemas. Parents like films their kids like.
This is something typed by childless hands. Which I get, it's Cinemaphile, but kids are some of the harshest fricking critics on the planet once they hit a certain age. It's true that kids turn off their brains a lot and just enjoy garbage, but they also know when they don't like something or it bores them.
So Magnifico creates a kingdom.
He does not charge taxes
He does not charge rent
He helps his citizens live their best lives
He is accepting of anyone who wants to live in his kingdom
He tells people that they can give him their wish and he might grant it (for no profit to himself)
He does grant wishes
But he's the bad guy because he doesn't grant wishes that would involve mind-fricking other people (mind-frick someone into being that lady's nanny, mind-frick entire people into liking Grandpa's song).
>muh media literacy
they're both shit
>shit movie
>shit movie but somehow palpatine returns
Are people really that shallow?
Turn your brain off and watch the CGI lightning bro.
I liked the part where Kylo Ren and Rey kiss.
those have 100k and 50k verified reviews when wish has 500 lol
Cope
It's a process, you see.
Left is critics being absolute Disney shills as was the custom back then, while the audience was finally fed up with it all and made it known.
Right is critics seeing the writing on the wall and stopping to defend the indefensible in order to protect what's left of their credibility, while Disney realized they could just bombard the audience reviews with positivity and bury any discontent. This is the stage we're currently on and what Wish shows.
Want evidence? Check The Marvels, same deal but less severe of a gap, and I doubt anyone's about to defend that one despite having pretty much the same audience score as Wish (61% critics 83% audience)
Still not Enough? Quantumania. 46% critics 82 % audience.
Indiana Jones this year: 69% critics 88% audience
Haunted Mansion 2023: 37% critics 84% audience, just look at that shit.
Little mermaid: 67% critics and FRICKING 94% AUDIENCE
Only Guardians 3 and Elemental count as exceptions this year as is the trend with these two.
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill!
Or, maybe you just can't handle differing opinions.
All these shit movies that bomb still have high audience scores. Black Adam has 88%. Anyone who still trusts RT user reviews is moronic
>All these shit movies that bomb still have high audience scores.
Because no one fricking sees them.
You're looking at the end result of statistical bias of the most hardcore fanboy going to see movies that most people panned before they came out, which they are going to rate highly even if halfway through the movie ushers came out and delivered a T-shirt cannon of diarrhea right into their faces.
That's why RoS has a high audience score but terrible critic score: who the frick else was going to go see a Star Wars movie after TLJ? Not sane, rational people who are determined to remain unbiased.
It's like that Chinese movie review site, where anything below like a 9.2/10 is considered dogshit, because of the same bias present.
The fact that Wish only got 82% from people who cared enough to purchase a ticket, watch it, and then leave a review, says a lot about its quality. People who saw the trailers and said "wow this is dogshit I'm not watching it" will never get a chance to review it.
The only thing you're contributing to this exchange is "Hurr hurr nuh uh." You don't even have an alternate opinion, you're just sniping.
2023 Haunted Mansion only needed to be better then the Eddie Murphy version to get a good audience score and that was a low bar to clear.
Rise of Skywalker is actually rigged
Bot armies are cheap these days
They changed how the audience scores are calculated, and they disallow audience reviews from anyone who didn't purchase a ticket directly from them. These changes were made for the first Captain Marvel movie.
Audience scores are as trustworthy as critic scores at this point. So the only takeaway we can get from audience scores is if it has a bad score, then it is really bad. If it has a good audience score, then it's par for the course and a secondary source is needed to verify that it isn't shit.
Why do people shill for RT, especially here, of all places, and think they're an impartial source of information when they're owned by two large media corporations with direct ties to the film industry? That's huge conflict of interest.
It's like trusting Youtube to vouch for Google when they're both owned by Alphabet.
How do people still take RT seriously when it's 25% owned by Warner Bros Discovery and 75% NBCUniversal (owns Universal Pictures, and is owned by Comcast).
If you think shill threads on this site or bots on twitter are out of control, how do you think it's going on a site that
- is a self-designated primary battleground for movie reviews
- is owned by the industry it's supposed to keep in check
- that likely has a bunch of competitors to these owner companies thinking "well we can't let our rivals write the history books so we'll have to bot ourselves"
You would need a LOT of counter measures to eliminate all those risks and I don't think RT has demonstrated at all that it's up to the task.
I don’t think ownership of RT actually matters considering there are plenty of Universal and Warner films that are classified as “rotten”.
>verified ratings
>Media literate
TLJ is not a deep movie. It gives us morals like "if the Nazi is hot maybe give him a chance" "you should stop someone from making a last-ditch self-sacrificing attempt to save others, because Somehow Love Will Prevail," and "rebels should blindly follow orders that seem likely to get everyone killed."
It throws in things like a Luke that gave up, because that's really what the world needs, a story telling us that if any young heroes ever stop genocidal maniacs it doesn't matter because it'll all be undone in their lifetime and they'll grow up to be jaded shits that give up on everyone else.
Throw in that half the story was about a road trip that went nowhere and the whole ramming with hyperdrive nonsense and you've got a turd. A turd that critics were willing to applaud because they went "wow, the writer steering the story into a ditch really subverted expectations." A few years later the same critics without a hint of self-awareness complained that the next part of the story failed to get out of the ditch.
You don't get it, both the rebels and first order get their weapons from the same people so they're both equally bad
>Didn't one side blow up an entire solar system killing potentially quadrillions and the other side destroyed the machine that blew up that solar system?
Hey shut up it's deep and insightful!
I watched TROS as a comedy with my friends
I will never understand why The Last Jedi struck such a chord with critics. It's honestly one of the dumber movies in the franchise with shit like Rose preaching about oppressed child farm hands to a literal conscripted child soldier/slave.
>with shit like Rose preaching about oppressed child farm hands to a literal conscripted child soldier/slave
She didn't do anything to help those kids. They just freed the space horses and left the kids there. The kids will probably be the ones who had to clean up the mess that the escaping horses left.
Last Jedi is the best movie in the sequel trilogy. I still cringed and facepalmed when watching it in theatre on release, but at least it has a bit of originality and soul. Ryan Johnson tried to do something new and unexpected with the franchise, while Abrams just went for easy nostalgia bait.
>the Last Jedi
>Originality and soul
What do people mean by this? The Last Jedi was just as much as a nostalgia grab bag as the two other prequel movies.
The casino shit was just an extended version of the cantina scene. Even killing off a hero from the original trilogy after revealing them to be a jaded mess that feels guilty about Kylo was taken straight from the previous movie. The Holdo dilemma was long and uninteresting.
The only reason I can see someone really putting that movie in a different category from the other two is if they are REALLY into Rey and Kylo shipping.
that's actually a pretty crap verified audience score
'verified; audience score
So select audience score?
Remember: Golden Globe Award nominee
When you actually look into it the Golden Globes are decided on by about a hundred nepotistic old-money hacks in socal.
>https://www.pastemagazine.com/movies/golden-globes/golden-globes-dont-deserve-coverage
Sometimes they tend to have better nominations lists, but in general they are a vanity award compared even to the Oscars.
Rotten tomatoes is meaningless as anything but a citation you can use to justify any argument for or against a movie or TV show.
When something you don't like gets a bad RT score, RT is based and factual. When it doesn't, it's dumb and the reviews are paid for.
When it's something you like, it's reversed.
If the critics like the thing you like but the audience doesn't, the audience are morons and the critics are intellectuals. When it's the other way around, critics are out of touch shills and the audience are the voice of the people.
It means nothing. You people just take every RT page and twist it into whichever shapeis most pleasing to you
Wish still sucks
The thing is that RT critics have been fellating disney garbage for years non-stop, even fricking strange world and lightyear had forced positive reviewers
If Wish couldn't win over even these shallow-ass morons there must be something wrong with it
Wish didn't introduce the very first openly gay character in animation history
That's true. It would have benefitted from having the first depiction of a homosexual in all of cinema.
The question is should it have been Asha or Magnifico
That's true. I often think that if the critics give a movie/show a bad score, and the audience give the same thing a good one, then the movie/show is probably good, and vice-verse, but it's not always the case.
RT has been caught multiple times deleting/locking reviews when it doesn't go their way, from critics to audiences alike. So its value is meaningless.
For what I could tell from what E-Celebs & Gaytubers say
It's just a meh movie with nothing special other than being "DisneyTM", with that in mind, people who watch disney movies are your average normie who only wants to kill time, so If it's the same repetitive formula with no substance, its enough to sell
Don't surprisme and personally don't care if it succeds or fail, disney has been dead decades ago
The only good thing about this is that if the competition can do something better or at least above average, then they can get profit out of Disney sub-par movies again.
I wish we got hand drawn animation on ones without CGI.
> on ones
Brainrot
>Villian is the king who grants peoples wishes.
>King only grants the wishes that would best benefit everyone
>Girl wants her grandathers wish of "Wanting to inspire the next generation" to be granted
>King feels its far to vague and dangerous to grant so he doesnt
>Girl b***hes about it and King becomes the bad guy in all of this
the king was never the bad guy here. the moronic selfish b***h was.
I mean, the conflict in the movie is that their rich father figure who spoils them says 'no' to some stuff.
This is beyond first-world problems, it's 1%er problems.
I swear to fricking god the goat is probably the worst mascot/character design dissonance I've seen in a hot while, even the fricking chimp/monkey/orangutang Barb from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 is 10000000000000000000x more endearing than this and deserves to be called a sweet pea over whatever the hell this manchild goat is, honestly, frick this fricking goat monstrosity that makes the generic #435874365 disney princess that has the personality of a literal bimbo coddling what is supposed to be a ADULT goat trapped inside a baby goat body as if it were fricking Boss baby frick you you piece of shit
But dude. He's a baby goat. With a deep manly voice. That's CONTRAST, and it makes us SMART. Please clap.
They already did it with Finnick from Zootopia, and at least in that movie it makes sense since he's an actual criminal pretending to be a cute baby fox for scamming purposes.
Perrito's voice was bad too
Was it? I thought it fit the character. He's a bubbly character, and his voice reflected that.
I hate that fricking face so much, why can't a mascot just be cute or, endearing/weird if you wanna go for something different? No, let's just make some shitty smug face because it is sooo funny. Really, le quirky girl is way less annoying than whatever this is supposed to be
Dreamworks face?
I guess, but now Disney is doing it way more. Just last year Dreamworks gave us a legit cute and sweet mascot who ended up being a nice character too
They really avoided dropping the ball with that little guy. Usually characters like him are the absolute worst.
>even the fricking chimp/monkey/orangutang Barb from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 is 10000000000000000000x more endearing than this and deserves to be called a sweet pea over whatever the hell this manchild goat is
She was OK, butnothing revolutionary but she wasn't the mascot.
Wish has the best songs ever.
These lyrics are proof that it was not written by AI, because AI knows better.
>the shareholders
what the frick does that got to do with frick all this is a childrens' movie nor do children even barely grasp the idea of that fricking word fricking shit head company with its head on its ass and just wanting to pander to Rule 34 by making a bait old man for women except no one actually fricking wants him and a 17 year old just to make sure it's just one year off from being shagged by the bait old man
I liked the songs in this movie, minus "I'm a Star", but all Disney woodland creature songs were ass, like the trolls one from Frozen.
You liked "Knowing what we know now"? It's not only terrible, but it's also a training montage that leads to NOTHING!
Yeah I liked it, especially the queens part. And it's not a training montage, it's more like a pep rally.
You liked the part with the loyal queen joining a coup and telling everyone her husband only loves himself?
Yes, although it felt a bit rushed, like most Disney princess movies, she had every right to leave him.
Him threatening her life with the staff was probably what convinced her to leave after seeing numerous previous red flags.
Most of those scenes in your pic were done with bad intentions as well.
>Pop
Why do people keep saying this? There's only one pop song. Encanto has more pop songs.
>she had every right to leave him. Him threatening her life with the staff was probably what convinced her to leave after seeing numerous previous red flags.
He only threatened her AFTER being cursed by the book. Before he's shown clearly in love with her. And even at his worst he only kind of pushes her with his magic, which doesn't even hurts her.
>Most of those scenes in your pic were done with bad intentions as well.
Which ones?
Anons if your husband was under the influence and threatened to kill you, you'd leave too. And if not you're insane
Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever? I remember seeing a list of most hated characters in television and it had Joffery and Ramsey Bolton (actual torture murderer psychopaths) next to fricking Skylar white and Lori (unlikable women)
Shit is wild
>Most of those scenes in your pic were done with bad intentions as well.
You didn't answer. And if the love of my life were under a curse, I would find the way to help him.
I'm not that anon who replied to you, sorry. And I understand sticking by your spouse even when they're abusive towards you under the influence. But most people aren't like that and it's unfair to expect them to be.
You live for decades with a person that not only has given YOU everything, he has given people from all over the world a home and only has a few rules to follow if they want to live in a Utopia.
Examples for this are Sabino getting mad at Asha and saying that Magnifico has made all possible for them, the queen believing the effect of the falling star was Magnifico "spoiling them" or the very citizens of Rosas adoring their king.
Then, one day, he's under a curse and YOU inmediately BETRAY him instead of being broken and desperate to save that person. Not only that, YOU also mock him when he loses and throw him away to be forgotten while he suffers...
No, yeah, frick Magnifico, everyone else was a cuddly bear while he was Satan.
Magnifico was in the wrong for touching the evil book despite warned repeatedly not to by his wife. But I still get mad at how the wife was mean to him after he got sealed in a mirror. That's only excused because he became cartoon villain because Disney executives mandated a return to classic villains halfway through the script
>Magnifico was in the wrong for touching the evil book despite warned repeatedly not to by his wife
His wife was in the wrong for not telling her husband about the "touch the evil book with no problems" oil.
Imagine a roast caught fire in the oven and the wife doesn't tell the husband where the oven mitts are for no reason.
I agree but I'm 300% convinced that was something the writers made up on the spot without thinking and the plot suffers for it. That logic can describe the whole third act
that's how wives get killed by their abuser husbands, don't be a statistic all your life
>Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever?
Without loyalty, the relationship is meaningless.
Ride to die... well not literally die, but anyway.
Okay but in the case of Lori (thought husband was dead), Skylar (husband was a lying aggressive drug lord who also tried to force himself on her), and magnifico (pointed the equivalent of a gun to his wife under threat of death while under the influence), them "betraying" their spouses doesn't seem nearly as drastic as Joffery or Ramsey (who literally physically tortured people to death). They're unlikable, but still I feel like the degree of hatred is disproportionate
Ah, it's the "gun pointing" anon. Lol.
Is this logic wrong? It's very clearly threatening her life. (I say this as someone who sides with magnifico and prefer he killed her)
Not trying to be rude or anything, but was there actually any indication that Magnifico's magic staff could kill people? Its powers weren't really clear to me. The only time it seemed to do anything was when it sucked Star into itself. Star was released afterward anyway so it's not like death was a factor.
The green mechanics of his staff are stupid and unclear. But the audience and Amaya took it as a physical threat. Although in the finale the green just squeezes Asha so who knows. If you want my honest opinion, I think the writers wanted to make us understand he's threatening her life, but at the same time toned down the meganics to generic nickolodean slime/ghost hands because they wanted the movie enjoyed by literal toddlers. It was sanitized to hell and back. Because the stakes of the final fight are non-existent
Yeah, then I don't really think it counts as "pointing a gun" at someone when the most detailed mechanic is that the staff can trap and release people. It doesn't even silence the people it confines. Though I realize I'm arguing semantics now.
He was traumatized by his own past of his entire family and their kingdom being destroyed by evil people and was worried it was going to happen again. Usually in children's films that involve a character becoming corrupted by evil powers, the protagonists talk down the corrupted person, "I know you're in there. It's not your fault. I know you were scared. etc."
If that's the case, you can still argue physical assault threat based on him throwing Asha around and that time he flicked a green orb at Amaya and she seemed to be somewhat physically injured, based on her pained expression. Not as bad as killing, but I can understand the relationship being over because of that. Not to blog post but I had a relationship collapsed because someone smacked me. It happens.
>I know you're in there
I agree this would have been nice to see. I think contemporary stories are leaning harder against forgiveness, which I find a bit sad. But again, I think it's because executives demanded an evil villain and they couldn't advertise that if he turns good.
>but I can understand the relationship being over because of that
Fair enough
Magnifico's wife just decided not to tell her husband about the oil that would have saved him.
I don't remember breaking bad all that well, but I do know that Skylar helped some rich guy cook the books. She wasn't against doing illegal shit, she was just against Walter's illegal shit.
>Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever?
Because.
Once you've had someone in your life who wakes up next to you, shares moments with you, watches TV with you, eats with you, goes on trips with you, shares in your most intimate moments of life with you, and stays with you for months, years, or more, and you are disloyal... It really fricking destroys every single thing.
And you truly will feel it when it's all said and done and you're alone with no one to talk to on the couch at night anymore.
>Why do people act like disloyalty to your spouse is the most evil thing ever?
When the audience is outright told Queen Amaya is "a loyal, devoted wife," you know... we expect to see that clearly displayed in the story itself. That's why it feels like an intentional, insidious betrayal when put under scrutiny. Yet Amaya is a good guy in the end.
Bit of a rant. I was confused at the very beginning why Amaya was interacting with commoners at all. Idgaf if Dahlia is the castle baker, there are servants to take care of such minor ordeals while the queen serves her role, but the writers had nothing else for her to do once they nixed the original concept of her and Magnifico being a villain duo. She was window-dressing at best and a plot device at worst.
She let her husband be infected by an evil book because she didn't want to tell him about the evil book protection oil
At least she told the most important person in the kingdom: the baker.
Most of the music feels out of place, because it is. They wanted them to be loose enough that they aren't too coupled to Wish's storyline so that they can be #1 singles, or TikTok memes.
They didn't go the Phil Collins route for Tarzan where he sings these barely-related songs while the animation carries the story forward, and instead we have the characters sing these pop tunes that have nothing to do with the story. So now the animation isn't carrying the story forward, and the music isn't either.
>The star dude is a walking talking online slots casino ad.
How much would that have improved the movie?
These scores don't equate anything to filling seats or paying tickets. Guess what? It's free to say a movie is good online compared to going to see it. Review bombing and review glowing are actual things we're seeing lately.
It's out of 500. For a Disney movie.
The takeaway is that it's a very specific type of poor movie, one that a paid-to-review-it critic will write an article for saying "it's a bad movie, watch something better." But it's not SO bad to elicit the extreme annoyance required to make people log onto RT to say "it's fricking bad" especially if people already know it's flopping and has a bad score.
You've got ~500 die-hard Disney fans that'll give Disney a good grade no matter what.
Disney no longer has the dough to pay off critics. But the fanboys shill for free.
I didn't watch this shit and don't really plan to but if Asha is apparently supposed to go on to become the Fairy Godmother from Cinderella why does she apparently magically become white?
She was always black, you were just too racist to notice. Just like the Moops and Pharaohs of Egypt.
>I didn't watch this shit
Like most people on this board. To answer your question, its just a reference.
This isn't some multiverse shit that morons on here kept parroting.
as the company that made Planes, the spinoff of Cars, had no intention of fleshing out other material out of their actually popular IPs instead of thwir rotten new ones!
>t. anon that just got a sweet deal on a new bridge he's out to see next week
Wait, it's just a reference? Then why is her fairy godmother dress so ugly? Why make her a fairy god mother and not a princess? The only good news of this is that Magnifico has a chance to not suffer thousands of years in a mirror if they do a cheap ass disney+ show spinoff
A lot of people's complexions get lighter/more washed out as they age or maybe she had the same skin condition as Michael Jackson.
>Verified ratings
>The audience
lol, lmao even.
You think?
Honestly 59/60 seems like a very accurate score for the movie. It was aggressively mediocre, which I suspect is what Nintendo wanted more than anything.
It's the audience score that makes me want to kill myself.
>I want to kill myself because kids liked kid movie
Strange reason but go ahead
Are you autistic or do you not know about hyperbole?
I'm sorry, I forgot I'm on Cinemaphile.
kys homosexual
>little kids liked the movie
My 6 year old hated it and my 15 year old niece said she enjoyed Godzilla more.
By the way, this is a 15 year old that vehemently despises reading.
Additionally, we planned to do a Disney b-day party for my now 9 year old cousin last week and we went and saw Trolls instead.
How is it getting a high score from the audience when hardly anyone watched it? And if social media means anything, most of the commwnts who did watch it were not kind.
>still pretending that "disney is failing" is a niche internet conspiracy theory invented by meanie haters
anon...
Aren't like 3 massive hedge funds trying to guy tens of billions of Disney stocks and join the company management right now?
I'm not sure if that's good or bad new though.
Two factors:
>people don't pay money to see a film unless they think they'll like it.
>Kids almost always like films they see at cinemas. Parents like films their kids like.
>Kids almost always like films they see at cinemas. Parents like films their kids like.
This is something typed by childless hands. Which I get, it's Cinemaphile, but kids are some of the harshest fricking critics on the planet once they hit a certain age. It's true that kids turn off their brains a lot and just enjoy garbage, but they also know when they don't like something or it bores them.
I mean who gives a shit about score
The movie bombed and thats all that truly matters for it's impact
This was one of the worst movies I've seen, let alone worst cartoon films, let alone worst disney film.
So Magnifico creates a kingdom.
He does not charge taxes
He does not charge rent
He helps his citizens live their best lives
He is accepting of anyone who wants to live in his kingdom
He tells people that they can give him their wish and he might grant it (for no profit to himself)
He does grant wishes
But he's the bad guy because he doesn't grant wishes that would involve mind-fricking other people (mind-frick someone into being that lady's nanny, mind-frick entire people into liking Grandpa's song).
>can wish for anything in the world
>wishes for long hair, something he can achieve by doing literally nothing
The people of Rosas deserve death
They deserve the galleys.