"counter culture" is co-opted by rich people and made to commodity to sell for the masses as safe consumption of feeling revolutionary without achieving anything, keeping the status quo the same
people buy shit for aesthetics, not for the music itself
I think the only parts of this film that are definitely reality are the interactions with the women due to be tombed and those involved. More or less everything else is a hallucination and I didn’t get the impression that the elites in this film really cared about the cranks enough to kill them so it’s more likely that guy killed himself. When you take that everything in this film is symbolic and iconic and apply that to the characters it gets interesting
some people literally build their entire personality, world view and beliefs according to the music they listen to -- if it turns out there's actually a singular source behind it all like all... why?
>t. NPC
Amazing the number of people in this thread acting like music has no meaning. You've either never heard a great song before or you have no soul.
almost as if I was addressing the question of the character in a fictional movie.
people who unironically believe every song is a heartfelt message are morons anyway, you're contracted to make albums -- they can't all come from the heart.
The movie is mocking conspiracy theorists, cos his ideas are mostly outlandish with flimsy logic, sprinkled in some distrust of oligarchs like record labels. Overall he's a paranoid guy who just needed to get laid, per the ending.
I like music, but I couldn’t care less who wrote it. What struck me as off was that he claimed to write “Ode to Joy”. So he’s either completely full of shit or he’s 300 years old.
it was a subtle tell that the character was the personification of innovation in music, which arguably started with beethoven, who departed from the traditional tenets of melody and harmony that had been followed and developed upon since pythagoras, which is over 2000 years of time. Music slowly lost its grounding in mathematics and slowly became about "emotion" and "virility," culminating in Wagner, who basically ended classical music as it was once known. After him music devolves rapidly into pure sentimental garbage about romantic love and personal feelings with Black folk like the beatles. there's also jazz which i shouldn't need to explain. now you have a situation where any homosexual thinks he can be the next bob dylan or jimmy page or eminem, because the reality is that modern music is so dogshit that, yes, basically any moron can do it. and i'm not talking about rap or pop, i'm talking about music on the fundamental level of harmony and melody. the degeneracy is baked into everything at layer 0 now. did you know that all music is literally out of tune nowadays? just look up 1/4 comma meantone on youtube for that redpill, it's too much to explain here. also there is a parallel degeneration in poetry as well with whitman as like the wagner of poetry and his offspring are Black folk like ezra pound and t s eliot, which lead directly to rupi kaur.
now this all comes back to Plato who fricking hated poets and artists because they're all just homosexuals who spew sentimental garbage. you'll actually see the same pozzed writing in Aeschylus for example as you do in modern cinema, so we've come full circle to where uneducated artists are essentially educating the masses with psyops that teach them to be gay. they do this by creating art which is an image of a belief which itself isn't even correct. but yeah i'm running out of wordcount here
>TLDR: it's a metaphor for Plato's cave and the old man is one of the cave-shadow-makers
They're both reddit. Cinemaphile is the common man who never wrote anything but still knew enough to criticise people who pretended to be better than them.
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take the Xenophon pill, a student of Socrates but he is purely practical
They're both reddit. Cinemaphile is the common man who never wrote anything but still knew enough to criticise people who pretended to be better than them.
While watching bbc porn
take the Xenophon pill, a student of Socrates but he is purely practical
Here's my definition of what most people would accept as a human. >A primate able to make the sounds of our languages.
If a bird does that, we still don't count it as human. But if a simian can, we clearly disregard how moronic or otherwise animal they are. We still categorize them as human.
I wanna hear mine challenged, if anyone thinks of something wrong with it.
it was a subtle tell that the character was the personification of innovation in music, which arguably started with beethoven, who departed from the traditional tenets of melody and harmony that had been followed and developed upon since pythagoras, which is over 2000 years of time. Music slowly lost its grounding in mathematics and slowly became about "emotion" and "virility," culminating in Wagner, who basically ended classical music as it was once known. After him music devolves rapidly into pure sentimental garbage about romantic love and personal feelings with Black folk like the beatles. there's also jazz which i shouldn't need to explain. now you have a situation where any homosexual thinks he can be the next bob dylan or jimmy page or eminem, because the reality is that modern music is so dogshit that, yes, basically any moron can do it. and i'm not talking about rap or pop, i'm talking about music on the fundamental level of harmony and melody. the degeneracy is baked into everything at layer 0 now. did you know that all music is literally out of tune nowadays? just look up 1/4 comma meantone on youtube for that redpill, it's too much to explain here. also there is a parallel degeneration in poetry as well with whitman as like the wagner of poetry and his offspring are Black folk like ezra pound and t s eliot, which lead directly to rupi kaur.
now this all comes back to Plato who fricking hated poets and artists because they're all just homosexuals who spew sentimental garbage. you'll actually see the same pozzed writing in Aeschylus for example as you do in modern cinema, so we've come full circle to where uneducated artists are essentially educating the masses with psyops that teach them to be gay. they do this by creating art which is an image of a belief which itself isn't even correct. but yeah i'm running out of wordcount here
>TLDR: it's a metaphor for Plato's cave and the old man is one of the cave-shadow-makers
>So ruled by rational numbers that he actually has a devil tone
The idea is that what people thought was music of rebellion and free-spirited creativity was actually just formulaic goyslop made by those in power. It's kind of a stupid take though because the beauty of music comes from the person listening to it. Really, it shouldn't matter who made it or what their motivations are. Music is just a bunch of frequencies, your interpretation of it is just as valid as anyone else's.
I thought that was the joke. Like the band wrote all the filler album tracks no one cares about whilst this guy wrote the popular songs cause that what he does. I also imagine there's some reality to it when you've got a guy like Max Martin who's written pretty much every hit single from the past 25 years.
>Your early work was a little too new wave for my taste. But when Sports came out in '83, I think you really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. You’ve been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think you has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, you released this; Fore!, your most accomplished album. I think your undisputed masterpiece is "Hip To Be Square". A song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends. It's also a personal statement about you yourself.
>I wrote smells like teen spirit on piano
Holy frick, does he actually say this? That's hilarious
Imagine being too dumb to understand this scene. He’s like some demon who just shits out encoded songs all day and night. It doesn’t matter what changes in the song after the real instruments are put in place because it’s the melody and lyrics that hold the codes in this movie
>It doesn’t matter what changes in the song after the real instruments are put in place because it’s the melody and lyrics that hold the codes in this movie
imagine being too dumb to realize that this scene is stupid as shit bc 90% of popular songs over the last 60 years are all compositionally designed exactly the same way & the only thing differentiating them from one another has been the personal stylistic idiosyncrasies of the bandst & people who produced them
I'd be impressed, and ask him what he thought made a song good, what his process was. Doesn't matter if he was a scumbag, he'll have knowledge of what makes a song popular, even if he was insincere in writing music. Music doesn't have to have meaning.
He's clearly demented so i'd treat him with sympathy. Might even be suffering from alchemizes or something. It's sad to see a persons mind go like that. I don't know why I would get angry with the man. At least over a ludicrous outburst like that.
I really liked the movie, but this scene and the tomb stuff was just not really shocking or as interesting as I was expecting at that point. Like this guy (an avatar of Hollywood and capitalism) made every counter cultural song and elites corrupt and enslave young girls, it's already known. It's nothing new.
it's known but not by most people who consume nothing but NBC sitcoms and evening news
there's a reason the movie got pulled unexpectedly from being a major release, someone was worried certain people would get mad about it
>Wow! Thanks!
What was the point of this scene. Did he hallucination it also. This move very very confusing for me
"counter culture" is co-opted by rich people and made to commodity to sell for the masses as safe consumption of feeling revolutionary without achieving anything, keeping the status quo the same
people buy shit for aesthetics, not for the music itself
no shit sherlock
he asked, mong.
the anon asked, i answered, i dont understand your reply
I think the only parts of this film that are definitely reality are the interactions with the women due to be tombed and those involved. More or less everything else is a hallucination and I didn’t get the impression that the elites in this film really cared about the cranks enough to kill them so it’s more likely that guy killed himself. When you take that everything in this film is symbolic and iconic and apply that to the characters it gets interesting
some people literally build their entire personality, world view and beliefs according to the music they listen to -- if it turns out there's actually a singular source behind it all like all... why?
>t. NPC
Amazing the number of people in this thread acting like music has no meaning. You've either never heard a great song before or you have no soul.
"art" literally has no meaning moron. that's the whole point.
almost as if I was addressing the question of the character in a fictional movie.
people who unironically believe every song is a heartfelt message are morons anyway, you're contracted to make albums -- they can't all come from the heart.
The movie is mocking conspiracy theorists, cos his ideas are mostly outlandish with flimsy logic, sprinkled in some distrust of oligarchs like record labels. Overall he's a paranoid guy who just needed to get laid, per the ending.
Why do you look so different from your paintings, Mozart?
Perish you sick devil by the grace of Allah!
*Camly*
I like music, but I couldn’t care less who wrote it. What struck me as off was that he claimed to write “Ode to Joy”. So he’s either completely full of shit or he’s 300 years old.
it was a subtle tell that the character was the personification of innovation in music, which arguably started with beethoven, who departed from the traditional tenets of melody and harmony that had been followed and developed upon since pythagoras, which is over 2000 years of time. Music slowly lost its grounding in mathematics and slowly became about "emotion" and "virility," culminating in Wagner, who basically ended classical music as it was once known. After him music devolves rapidly into pure sentimental garbage about romantic love and personal feelings with Black folk like the beatles. there's also jazz which i shouldn't need to explain. now you have a situation where any homosexual thinks he can be the next bob dylan or jimmy page or eminem, because the reality is that modern music is so dogshit that, yes, basically any moron can do it. and i'm not talking about rap or pop, i'm talking about music on the fundamental level of harmony and melody. the degeneracy is baked into everything at layer 0 now. did you know that all music is literally out of tune nowadays? just look up 1/4 comma meantone on youtube for that redpill, it's too much to explain here. also there is a parallel degeneration in poetry as well with whitman as like the wagner of poetry and his offspring are Black folk like ezra pound and t s eliot, which lead directly to rupi kaur.
now this all comes back to Plato who fricking hated poets and artists because they're all just homosexuals who spew sentimental garbage. you'll actually see the same pozzed writing in Aeschylus for example as you do in modern cinema, so we've come full circle to where uneducated artists are essentially educating the masses with psyops that teach them to be gay. they do this by creating art which is an image of a belief which itself isn't even correct. but yeah i'm running out of wordcount here
>TLDR: it's a metaphor for Plato's cave and the old man is one of the cave-shadow-makers
plato was a fricking moron tho
diogenes is reddit
Cinemaphile is to diogenes as reddit is to plato
They're both reddit. Cinemaphile is the common man who never wrote anything but still knew enough to criticise people who pretended to be better than them.
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take the Xenophon pill, a student of Socrates but he is purely practical
Cinemaphile is Heraclitus
you're all reddit, i'm Cinemaphile
Here's my definition of what most people would accept as a human.
>A primate able to make the sounds of our languages.
If a bird does that, we still don't count it as human. But if a simian can, we clearly disregard how moronic or otherwise animal they are. We still categorize them as human.
I wanna hear mine challenged, if anyone thinks of something wrong with it.
One is the imitation of another, bot-kun.
what?
no fun allowed
You are approximately 33% correct.
>emotional music is... le bad!
The romantic period is when music actually got interesting and wasn't just dominated by boring autists like you
There's a reason you're a virgin
the movie confirms the existence of a murderous owl-woman minor deity, and you feel the ancient musician is unbelievable
It's a Zizek reference:
>So ruled by rational numbers that he actually has a devil tone
take off one of my gloves and lightly slap his cheek with it
But I'm deaf
Why would it make anyone mad. I never understood that? Normies are so weird.
>the artist who wrote my favorite song gets me. They wrote it specifically for me.
This is how normies think.
The idea is that what people thought was music of rebellion and free-spirited creativity was actually just formulaic goyslop made by those in power. It's kind of a stupid take though because the beauty of music comes from the person listening to it. Really, it shouldn't matter who made it or what their motivations are. Music is just a bunch of frequencies, your interpretation of it is just as valid as anyone else's.
I thought that was the joke. Like the band wrote all the filler album tracks no one cares about whilst this guy wrote the popular songs cause that what he does. I also imagine there's some reality to it when you've got a guy like Max Martin who's written pretty much every hit single from the past 25 years.
I only listen to niche underground music, you probably never heard about it.
That's pretty amazing, how did you write so many good songs?
>Your early work was a little too new wave for my taste. But when Sports came out in '83, I think you really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. You’ve been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think you has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor. In '87, you released this; Fore!, your most accomplished album. I think your undisputed masterpiece is "Hip To Be Square". A song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends. It's also a personal statement about you yourself.
>I wrote smells like teen spirit on piano
lmao you can tell whoever made the movie knew nothing about music
classic
>I wrote smells like teen spirit on piano
Holy frick, does he actually say this? That's hilarious
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actually sounds better on piano.
Imagine being too dumb to understand this scene. He’s like some demon who just shits out encoded songs all day and night. It doesn’t matter what changes in the song after the real instruments are put in place because it’s the melody and lyrics that hold the codes in this movie
>It doesn’t matter what changes in the song after the real instruments are put in place because it’s the melody and lyrics that hold the codes in this movie
imagine being too dumb to realize that this scene is stupid as shit bc 90% of popular songs over the last 60 years are all compositionally designed exactly the same way & the only thing differentiating them from one another has been the personal stylistic idiosyncrasies of the bandst & people who produced them
>pick a handful of songs that sound the same because of low effort production
>they’re all the same
Yeah frick off
>"can i get your autograph?"
or, if you wanna be a stinker:
>"WOW! you must be really famous!"
I only listen to anime music bro
ah yes 529569768c08590de65a97e6195d7d60 my favorite movie
Under the Silver Lake.
It sucks.
>Holy fricking shit, YOU wrote "Drop It Like Its Hot"???
Is that George Soros?
I'd be impressed, and ask him what he thought made a song good, what his process was. Doesn't matter if he was a scumbag, he'll have knowledge of what makes a song popular, even if he was insincere in writing music. Music doesn't have to have meaning.
He's clearly demented so i'd treat him with sympathy. Might even be suffering from alchemizes or something. It's sad to see a persons mind go like that. I don't know why I would get angry with the man. At least over a ludicrous outburst like that.
WTF I thought Akimoto Yasushi was asian??
I loved this movie, then realized it was tryhard as shit and began to hate it, then I'm back around to loving it post-ironically
I really liked the movie, but this scene and the tomb stuff was just not really shocking or as interesting as I was expecting at that point. Like this guy (an avatar of Hollywood and capitalism) made every counter cultural song and elites corrupt and enslave young girls, it's already known. It's nothing new.
it's known but not by most people who consume nothing but NBC sitcoms and evening news
there's a reason the movie got pulled unexpectedly from being a major release, someone was worried certain people would get mad about it
Funky Town really ripped some faces off!
You didn't write My Baby Takes the Morning Train.
Was this character some sort of clever commentary on the music business or just moronic?
>YOU wrote silvers track by the hawks for hire? woweee can i get your autograph?
Row row row your boat?
thanks?
>burp
>scratch balls
i don't know you and i dont give a frick
I don’t listen to music I watch tiktok gramps
you ghostwrote fishmans? crazy, seems obscure but good for you
I'm deaf
>How do you respond without sounding mad?
Typing this should be an instant ban
WHAT FRICKING MOVIE homosexualS
Boku no Pico
>oh yeah? Name three of my favorite albums?
I kiss him for his cynical contributions still bettering my life.