Yeah. She's still great and the 50th issue was overall good.
It's just trying to bring the ethics of the death penalty is just too silly and weird for Sonic.
Alright Got it Not a bad intro in to Surge she's a little over the Top with the Unhinged part, Tails reasoning with Kitsunami was what I expected to happen and Sonic beating sense in to Surge was a good start but kinda cut short I would have like to see more from that fight instead of ending the way it did.
>eggman and me, we have a nice little setup here >he gets to go wild and have fun >i stop him when nobody else can >he "gets away" and i get a parade celebrating my win >rinse and repeat >i can't just have someone come in and ruin that for me >sorry kid, the real threat here is you
Sonic canon:
Games > Cartoons > Comics
You can move down the chain but nothing can move to a higher medium no matter how fun or stupid it is.
Sally is hated
That's just Cinemaphile
She’s had a harder life than literally anyone in the series, and harder than Sonic, and harder than you. Confronting the pampered moron responsible for it all isn’t being whiney, it’s having the spine to stand up for yourself
>She’s had a harder life than literally anyone in the series
Not really, she had an incredibly easy life with everything laid out before her. The only problem is that she's mentally deranged.
She's experienced no loss, no physical slogs, nothing.
I can imagine Tangle getting a kind of Sonic+Ristar style gameplay type that could honestly be pretty fun. Also'd love to hear her canon voice, which'll probably be nothing like how I imagine her.
Pretty much. Literally, she was created in process as gameplay first and foremost. Of fricking course, she will play as a good character in a Sonic game.
It baffles me that nothing from Archie ever considered this, but then again, they are literally the worst thing to ever come from Sonic. No wonder it's buried deep down and never ever acknowledged. Archie was a shitstain to the franchise.
>villain destroyed several multiverses for fun >Tails is the choosen one not Sonic and turn into a giat hulk like version of himself
Ngl it was more absurd than any teenager fanfiction
Honestly, Archie should be more and more criticized harsh. It was this shit comic that killed Sonic, not '06 or Shadow, who are Sonic games with great ambition.
She's cool I guess, though her acting like she did towards Sonic in issue 50 was all for naught because Sonic doesn't even know her so he can't show any real sympathy. Can't wait to see how nuts she gets later on.
She’s had a harder life than literally anyone in the series, and harder than Sonic, and harder than you. Confronting the pampered moron responsible for it all isn’t being whiney, it’s having the spine to stand up for yourself
>She’s had a harder life than literally anyone in the series
How do you know? Even she doesn't know. She may have had a cushy life before being mindwiped.
Being memory wiped, turned into an half-zombie cybernetic abomination and then brainwashed into being an living weapon sounds like a pretty bad life to me.
Sounds fricking cool to me, she got super speed, sick lightning powers and a simp to run interference, too. She's got nothing to complain about.
Because after being mindwiped she was tortured, experimented-on, murdered and resurrected multiple times over, then brainwashed repeatedly into being someone's mindbroken slave with her past personality, memories and life effectively erased
See above.
Nothing she's had happen to her is worse than Shadow's past
2 years ago
Boco
Shadow was never murdered...
2 years ago
Anonymous
And? Neither was Surge given the fact she's still alive
>seeing your friend you've known for less than a year get shot
vs >get tortured to death yourself multiple times over, and everything about you erased including not only memories but personality
Delusional.
Shadow also had a near death experience and his memories fricked with
2 years ago
Boco
Surge has died and been revived multiple times, actually. Kit too. Actually, if Kit is weaker he might have died more often.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So? They get mindwiped, they don't remember it. They've seen it on video but it's not like the experience really happened because they don't remember it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still a pretty scary thing to think about. I wonder if they still felt the pain when revived.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>seeing your friend you've known for less than a year get shot
vs >get tortured to death yourself multiple times over, and everything about you erased including not only memories but personality
Delusional.
Because after being mindwiped she was tortured, experimented-on, murdered and resurrected multiple times over, then brainwashed repeatedly into being someone's mindbroken slave with her past personality, memories and life effectively erased
Her life reflects Shadow's in many ways in suffering but a issue with Surge is that a lot of her hatred for Sonic is manufactured and that she is being unreasonable despite knowing this.
She has every right to call out Sonic for being passive but she would have had a better standing in it if she didn't want to fight him and then destroy the world.
>but she would have had a better standing in it if she didn't want to fight him and then destroy the world.
To be fair, from her viewpoint she has nothing to lose. Either her life sucked or no one cared to look for her, and she still has no memories, has an entire electric machine jammed up her skull, has an brainwashed hatred of sonic, and of course, when they meet he acts like a jackass who's all >lol i just protect freedumbs, you can't kill eggman
>but she would have had a better standing in it if she didn't want to fight him and then destroy the world.
To be fair, from her viewpoint she has nothing to lose. Either her life sucked or no one cared to look for her, and she still has no memories, has an entire electric machine jammed up her skull, has an brainwashed hatred of sonic, and of course, when they meet he acts like a jackass who's all >lol i just protect freedumbs, you can't kill eggman
She had no excuse but it was not her fault as well, she lost her free will, her original memory was replaced by a new person that is insane.
It's like Batman Beyond when Tim Drake is brainwashed into being the Joker
That's the thing though, all of Surge (and Kit's) hype was generated by fans because IDW took so long actually telling their story. The comic barely did shit with them.
She's really not. She has no idea about her life, made a lot of assumptions, did jack and shit to confirm them, then submitted to her psycho boss to show how independent she was. Her last move was to fall into a barely-metaphorical pit of her own opinion and now she's off to fight the weakest sonic character to prove she's badass. Surge is a joke, and that's only going to become more obvious in time.
>She has no idea about her life
Because Starline took it from her. Like I said, tragic.
>made a lot of assumptions, did jack and shit to confirm them
She's stubborn and crazy.
>submitted to her psycho boss to show how independent she was
She was gonna backstab his ass, but Eggman got there first.
>fall into a barely-metaphorical pit of her own opinion
Please, she has every right to be pissed that Sonic spared Starline and Eggman.
>off to fight the weakest sonic character to prove she's badass
Who do you mean? Whisper?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because Starline took it from her. Like I said, tragic.
She claims if she willingly went with Starline then her life didn't have all that much merit to it.
I'm pretty sure we'll never know who Surge and Kit were before Starline got to them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Something like pic related would give me a serious feel.
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/lcL841D.png
Something like pic related would give me a serious feel.
IMO having their relatives be genuinely looking for her would probably be more tragic. Like, imagine, they ARE missed, but whoever's looking for them just doesn't have the means to spread the word.
I wrote a small green of a similar concept in a previous thread, but the second part got deleted for being off-topic, even though by that point we had all begun posting psychonic shit.
Yes, so much so people genuinely think Sonic should've taken a beating and bent over backwards for her, rather than treat her like the 'dangerous lunatic who'll take any excuse to hurt anybody' that she is.
Admit he was wrong to protect the men that ruined her life like a not-narcissist who can fess up to his mistakes, then stop her anyway because she’s evil
>Admit he was wrong to protect the men that ruined her life
Would've made things worse, without a shadow of a doubt. Surge didn't actually care about what she was saying, she was looking for excuses to feel the way she did.
I shouldn't need to say that her burning hatred of Sonic is a product of brainwashing, not cause and effect.
If Sonic had cooperated with her obvious insanity, it would've only gotten worse for Surge. She would have taken that as reinforcement to harden her thoughts and intents to ultimately end the world.
Challenging her and wearing her down was the best option available to Sonic.
That's the traditional hero line which I think would be out of character for Sonic. Sonic just values freedom and only opposes evil to the point that it takes freedom away. That's probably been the most consistent part of his character across all media
Sorry, anon, but they will just put their hands on their ears and sing aloud. They always want to be in the right, yet secretly they seethe they won't ever get back their shitty ass furhomosexualry OCs.
It's useless. They are worthy on nothing, but to rip off of them some laughing at their pathetic selves.
Not just that, Sonic Team is pretty heavily involved into character creating process, they licensed two IDW characters into two phone games, they got official merch, and they are pretty heavily advertised.
Meanwhile, Archie got... lol, nothing. I'm glad IDW is still going strong. I'm glad I'm not an Archiecuck.
Not just that, Sonic Team is pretty heavily involved into character creating process, they licensed two IDW characters into two phone games, they got official merch, and they are pretty heavily advertised.
Meanwhile, Archie got... lol, nothing. I'm glad IDW is still going strong. I'm glad I'm not an Archiecuck.
https://i.imgur.com/pXaIbjH.png
Yep. Now you know why SEGA hates Archie shit, rightfully so.
Honestly, i literally haven't read IDW up to this point.
I literally only read issues 46-50 and Imposter Syndrome because of Surge and Kitsunami. That's it. I really like the two, they're interesting characters.
Just saying, Penders being an untalented hack is the one thing that the entire Sonic community has unanimously agreed on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the entire Sonic community has unanimously agreed on.
Except Archietards.
yeah like the puppet is any better
Belle is an actual canon SEGA Sonic character, so yes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What? Archie readers hate him for pretty much singlehandedly killing the comic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nah, the diaper homosexuals love him pretty much. It was SEGA who killed it, rightfully so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Belle will never be canon just like IDW
2 years ago
Anonymous
Change your diapers.
so does this IDWgay count as Avatargayging like the Rottergay or what? how long until he starts spamming the thread again with the copypasta anyway?
That's not avatargayging. He's based.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no arguments >obviously defending himself saying he's not avatargayging when what he is doing is clearly avatargayging
you're shit comic is less canon then Kenshiro to the Sonic games
2 years ago
Anonymous
Freefrick Furhomosexuals will never come back. Stop projecting, Richmunk.
2 years ago
Anonymous
anon that's Kenshiro
2 years ago
Anonymous
Posting Tangle pictures is not avatargayging. The Tangle guy is very based.
Leave the Tangle chad alone, moronic Archiecuck.
>all a minute apart
dear god at least wait a minute to make it less obvious
All the Archie gays are grown-up manchildren, so they are actually literally more fond of Penders shit.
Pretty much everything Penders ever wrote for Sonic amounts to "something awesome is coming... later" so imagine if Lara-Su Chronicles payoff isn't worth it. (assuming it ever does come out)
2 years ago
Anonymous
People hate Penders because he literally wrote the most un-Sonic shit ever made.
2 years ago
Boco
Oh, its never coming. Especially since it turns out he didn't really win anything.
If you didn't get Cream to join your party or find the chao that removed the Ouendan shit the game truly ended up amazingly unfun. The complete non-ending though is so abrupt you can't help but laugh.
I find it funny that he still keeps track of Sonic comics. He also seems to think people wouldn't be curious as to who these characters are. Uno/Karasuno's done a great job making the cover interesting enough to get curious eyes on it. Anything to prove he's superior I guess, like he would even survive writing for Sonic comics in this age. I also find it especially funny when Archie drones come to defend him like he wasn't the catalyst that ended the comic.
>I also find it especially funny when Archie drones come to defend him like he wasn't the catalyst that ended the comic.
SEGA killed the comic, but in any case, Archiegays literally eat up anything Penders ever shits on, and it's fricking disgusting. I'm glad Archie shit is finally done.
It's entirely possible she and Kitsunami will be added to a mobile game seeing as how Tangle and Whisper are in two of them.
>I find it funny that he still keeps track of Sonic comics.
He needs to in order to find shit to be mad about and point towards as "proof" he's getting plagiarized. Kinda like that BoingKid dumbass a few weeks ago.
Kens entire worldview rests on the premise that Sonic is recognizable as a comics icon just as much if not moreso than a games icon, and this is because of the work Ken did for Archie. If a Sonic comic is succeeding without the main characters being Sonic or Knuckles it is a threat to his ego.
He is somewhat right the cover does need Sonikku on the cover or nobody would know what it is or be confused about the characters and the absence of Sonic
What do you people think they'll even do with Surge? It seems like they're going to bring her back relatively soon, the cover of an issue shows her with some weird power up and about to commit ryona on the masked dyke.
But what are they even going to do with her on the long term? Given the fact that she seems to have grown genuinely popular, i doubt they'll shelf her any soon, but we already know Kit is going to be captured and probably redeemed very soon by Tails since he wasn't programmed to hate *him*, just to help Surge
Well it seems that Tails is going to un-brainwash Kit in some capacity and turn him into an ally, which he may be able to also do to Surge, create another new ally.
Though that won't be for a couple months though.
She's going to make sure Sonic (and maybe others too) understands that his decisions to keep bad people alive will have consequences on people.
He's too much into the thrill to understand the danger he's in since he's always on top. Reality doesn't hit him that his antics do put people in danger, but he's always managed to fix it before it goes too far.
>I mean, so what? Is she going to just start beating up his friends or something?
Yes.
In her mind, she failed to convince Sonic of the dangers he lets free when he tried to save her.
Now it's time for her to skip Act 1 and go to the next one.
The whole ending was an (kind of obviously) a little predictable. What's even the point of following and being attached to underdog villains for dozens of issues? Sonic and Eggman are the main characters, so they're invincible. You always know at the back of your mind that it's impossible for her to win conventionally.
Well, Sonic is undefeatable, but his friends sure aren't.
So maybe, like a proper fighting manga, she's going to go around causing a bunch of trouble and beating up a bunch of people until sonic comes and beats her for once and for all.
It's one of those things you can only answer for yourself. Like a horror movie where everyone is dead by the end, what we get out of it is the stimulus and the story.
Sonic and Eggman didnt need plot armor, through the series they have shown that Surge, Kit, and Starline were always second rate compared to Sonic and Eggman. Hell, Starline knew this and designed them to have to work together which didnt happen because Starline went to fight Eggman while Surge and Kit went to fight Sonic and Tails, getting their asses kicked because Starline was the only one that actually was aware about how flawed and vulnerable they become when fighting alone.
I'm not gonna lie, I was smiling ear to ear watching Starline's plans go up in smoke, months of watching him pontificate and big himself up to the point I couldn't stand the character, it really would have bothered me had any of it actually worked out.
I think its was a good issue but especially to analyze how his plan failed: >The plan: Surge, Kit, and Starline work together to take down Eggman and Sonic in separate, well planned encounters.
Flaws: >Starline is narcissistic and obsessed with Eggman. Does not really care about Surge or Kit. >Surge is psychotic and stupid. If she also prone to existential crisis. Wants to kill Starline. >Kit is smart but cowardly. He is a sycophant to Surge but Surge cares little for him. Wants to maybe kill Starline
What happened/went wrong: >Sonic and Eggman attacked independantly at the same time. >Starline underestimated or misunderstood Eggman. Later when he attacked he tried to fight Eggman solo instead of asking for help from Surge and Kit. >Surge and Kit attack Sonic and Tails but split up. Without Starline's guidance they do exactly what leads them to failure over and over again in training. >Kit let's his obsession override his rationality and waste his water tank. Becomes easy pickings for tails. >Surge let's her obsession to make her attack blindly, falling to her doom. Actually refusing help and choosing to fall. >Starline let his obsession to impress Eggman waste his power glove powers and what he could muster to fight Eggman. Getting his ass whooped and having a canipchin fit while getting crushed.
She's an unrepentant psychopath who blames other people for her problems. If the series had any teeth she'd run around killing people to prove her point.
It's especially funny because she hasn't even talked to people. Literally Kit and Starline are the only people she has spoken to after she has her memory wiped. Hell, she has only had eye contact with three living people in the entirety of her so called life.
>What do you people think they'll even do with Surge?
New pet project that gets an issue all to herself but is killed off anticlimactically at the end of her run after achieving nothing but yelling about how the world doesn't care about her.
You're right, which is why it's asinine to think he was being slandered by moronic archiegays for refusing to bring them back or thinking he was trying to prop up Amy over Sally in the preboot days. I still wouldn't hold my breath about him brining them back though, he's still a freelancer by the end of the day.
https://i.imgur.com/tvQHrgz.jpg
What do you people think they'll even do with Surge? It seems like they're going to bring her back relatively soon, the cover of an issue shows her with some weird power up and about to commit ryona on the masked dyke.
But what are they even going to do with her on the long term? Given the fact that she seems to have grown genuinely popular, i doubt they'll shelf her any soon, but we already know Kit is going to be captured and probably redeemed very soon by Tails since he wasn't programmed to hate *him*, just to help Surge
Well it seems that Tails is going to un-brainwash Kit in some capacity and turn him into an ally, which he may be able to also do to Surge, create another new ally.
Though that won't be for a couple months though.
I see Kit eventually crawling back to Surge. Something tells me he wouldn't take too kindly to Tails messing with his brain/programming either.
>At least Ian doesn't support Sonic being with Amy.
He said he's fine with Sonamy and would do it if he was allowed to. But Sonic got taken off the market permanently and she's mandated to only glomp him and for him to never return her affection.
Of course, it's his waifu. He even turned Fiona into evil Sally, even though there was an actual evil Sally. But Amy was the backup plan.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I remember reading Ian made a comparison between Sonally and Sonamy, and flat out admitted Sonic works better with Amy, the problem being Sega's stance on Sonic and affection.
>fiona blames sonic for abandoning her to be jailed and tortured by eggman >sonic says he didn't know and that he would've done everything he could to save her if he knew she was still alive >surge blames sonic for her being brainwashed and tortured by starline >sonic: i don't even know who you are
Bravo to Ian for taking his evil ship and merging them into one character.
Tangle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literal gay Black person walrus, RotorBlack personhomosexual.
No. The Tangle guy is not avatargayging, unlike that moronic Archiegay.
[...]
Sally will never come back.
>all a minute apart again
for the love of god stop making it obvious
Tangle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literal gay Black person walrus, RotorBlack personhomosexual.
Covers aren't always accurate. And again, it might not last. Tails could try to help him, but since we know Surge is coming back it might all be for nothing.
Anti-Archiegays are the most autistic group in the Sonic community. Rivals and surpasses that of Richmunk's by a long mile.
Shits up every single Sonic comic thread, mentally breaking down at the mere mention of a Freedom Fighter character
Or mentioning that you liked a character from there.
It just never comes off like it's actually the majority opinion. Every comment against Archie is written exactly the same every time.
too bad she's stuck in Classic hell where it won't get a separate comic series despite having more story potential and more useable game villains then the main IDW series
too bad she's stuck in Classic hell where it won't get a separate comic series despite having more story potential and more useable game villains then the main IDW series
https://i.imgur.com/F6ki79V.png
Dunno what's going on in this thread but I love Honey. Thanks for reading.
Oh she's really cute but almost forgoten.
Honey is old baggage and useless. Serves for nothing and should be scrapped.
Ken Penders wrote, drew and colored every single issue of Archie Sonic. That comic's sole singular reader? Richmunk.
No one else reads and enjoys it. Only Richmunk.
Reminder that the Freedom Fighters were created by SEGA of America and appears in a canon Classic Sonic game
The IDW OCs are created by the individual IDW artists
GOD, Archie Shadow is SO much better than the moronic jobber from the IDW comics. But he had the good fortune to be written by COMPETENT writers who actually cared about CANON Sonic characters instead of moronic lesbian puppet OCs.
which is weird since even game Shadow wasn't a jobber and his last mainline game appearance had him kick the shit out of Infinite and a clone of him effortlessly
The Archie comics weren’t that good. They were terrible in fact, far and away the worst and most disrespectful piece of media to ever come out of the Sonic series.
But the point is they just weren’t that good. Certainly not good enough to still cling to like obtuse lunkheaded ninnies after all these years and pathetically screech at sensible anonymous people online for ever daring to criticise the comic, thread after thread after thread, shitting up all unrelated conversation just to preserve your childhood rose-tinted nostalgia. It has been years. The comic isn’t nearly good enough to justify the autism of its fans after all these years.
I’m sorry, I’m usually content to just keep quiet about these kinds of problems but someome had to actually speak up about the elephant in the room because I feel we’ve been keeping quiet about this problem for far too long now. Archiegays have been shitting up every sonic Cinemaphile thread with their mentally arrested autism and constant 24/7 trolling and it has made Cinemaphile sonic threads unbareable.
Archiemanbabies need to MOVE. ON. Your comic is not canon, it is not good, it is BAD FANFICTION.
Lmao no. Going through Ian’s Archie run chronologically there’s: >More of Sonic’s relationshit drama >Needless and overabundant lore and exposition dumping >An entire arc spent on Sir Connery and everybody’s favourite part of the Sonic games: the Kingdom of Acorn’s monarchy >The death of everybody’s favourite character Tommy Turtle, why yes this is the perfect thing to waste Tails’ DESTINY from #56 on >Ruining Rouge’s character beyond repair, Round 1 >Turning Tails into a cuck, Round 2 >House of Cards >Yet MORE political shit >Yet MORE of Sonic’s relationshit drama >The Sonic X comic run >Wasting more than a year’s worth of irl time on Scourge standing around in Sonic’s treehouse doing nothing, without managing to let the SS do literally anything or even reveal anything on their backstories, because of course if they aren’t a hedgehog then who cares about them? >More of every FF except Sonic being treated as useless and unimportant, Rotor even gets his back broken and nothing has changed as of yet
>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc >Ruining Rouge’s character again >An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare >Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit >King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit >Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all >The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally >The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course >The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fricking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
The job of a writer is to make writing entertaining. If Flynn cannot even do that to keep the sales of that arc up to even the usual standard of reboot issues, then he is a terrible writer.
And now obviously I’m only pointing out the extremely big and memorable piles of shit with Flynn’s name on em in the manure field that is Archie. There are a lot of other smaller turds you’ll find littered between the issues. Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
Starline should've been someone that used Eggman as a distraction. Give him something to wreck the world with and while everyone is busy with that, achieve his own ambitions. Then the usual "Eggman tries to control an evil god, things go badly" plays out. And he wouldn't be relying on Eggman's tech or copying him.
Yeah, having every villain piss their pants in fear of Eggman is lame. If all your villains are terrified of the guy that Sonic beats all the time, than how is the audience supposed to take them seriously?
Tangle was introduced to be a stand-in for Sonic because of the restrictions involved with writing him. Whisper was... I don't know why Whisper was introduced, presumably Ian thought his MGS crossover fanfiction would be seen as cool.
That's not being sarcastic either, the Diamond Cutters are intentional Metal Gear Solid ripoffs.
How insane are SEGA's restrictions, anyway? I know they kept the Sonic Boom crew from using Shadow very often, but they can't be so crazy that you need 12 different goddamn OCs just to write comicbook plots around while Sonic weaves in and out of the story like a guest star.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How insane are SEGA's restrictions, anyway?
The Sonic Boom writers even said it was hard to write anything with Big the Cat which is why they didn't use him when they really wanted to.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>restrictions on Big the fricking Cat
pic related
Sonic is factually not allowed to be written in a way that would make him "grow" as a character, he has to be presented as completely static start to finish. This same attitude applies to the other Sega-made characters too, but it's a problem for Sonic because he's often the source of plot or conflict.
Yeah, but they can't just have a story about him fighting some new villain, or getting into a tricky situation that requires him to be smart to get out of? EVERY SINGLE COMIC requires a half-dozen OCs hogging all the damn spotlight? I'm not sure if it's Sega's restrictions doing this, or if it's Evan and Ian desperately shilling their OCs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sonic is factually not allowed to be written in a way that would make him "grow" as a character, he has to be presented as completely static start to finish. This same attitude applies to the other Sega-made characters too, but it's a problem for Sonic because he's often the source of plot or conflict.
Not that anon but Flynn's run would've probably still benefitted from being a cleaner break and not being as burdened by having to include the SatAM/Archie lore and characters. I think it kinda sucks that he spent a lot of the deep pulls like Battlekukkus stuff on Archie because now IDW can't use it as freely and it desperately needs those additional antagonists.
I thought Surge would keep him around forever and ever because Kit was the only person who she could relate with and because he was useful to her anyway.
>/sthg/ schizo annihilates yet another threaf
...Y'know what? Im jsut goin to go read Made In Abyss instead. I have no interest in seein yet another thread reach 500+ posts because the schizo is unhinged and samegays to bump limit.
>Issue 52 says Surge is going to get a powerup
What kind of powerup could she possibly get that would put her even close enough to having an actually good fight with sonic? He was barely even trying with her. >inb4 she won't
It's obvious she's going to have a rematch, and it's obvious she's not going to crumble so easily on the next one. That's just basic storytelling.
At this point Evan is just dead set on "fixing" Belle until people like her, and I don't see that happening. It is fun to watch her fail though.
Whisper just inherantly doesn't work as a Sonic character, being a Metal Gear Solid expy, so it really leaves you wondering what kind of hoops they need to jump through to keep her in the comic. Now that they're legitimately TRYING to queer-code her with Tangle, just dropping her isn't an option.
Tangle I don't mind as much, she's just kind of annoying.
Tangle was introduced to be a stand-in for Sonic because of the restrictions involved with writing him. Whisper was... I don't know why Whisper was introduced, presumably Ian thought his MGS crossover fanfiction would be seen as cool.
That's not being sarcastic either, the Diamond Cutters are intentional Metal Gear Solid ripoffs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Whisper was... I don't know why Whisper was introduced
She is supposed to do all the crying that Sonic is never allowed to do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tangle was introduced to be a stand-in for Sonic because of the restrictions involved with writing him.
And which hole did this new information come from?
2 years ago
Anonymous
New? This information is ancient. Where've you been?
That’s an exaggeration. Sonic and Surge’s fight was more dynamic than Sonic’s fights with literally any character beforehand, including Shadow and Metal. Just cause they took turns letting eachother make their speeches doesn’t mean neither were trying - they had an entire superspeed punchupfest qhere they were equally matched, and the fight only came to a close because Surge was accidentally knocked off a ledge
Because Surge was upset Sonic had ruined her life, while Sonic’s life was just fine and he said he doesn’t care if his actions hurt others.
Are you dense or something? Sonic acts that way in every boss fight in the series - it’s his personality and that’s her personality because of their different circumstances
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, but how is that not a sign that she's losing? If one side is casually joking and making fun of the other while the other is nearly having a breakdown, it's obvious one side is winning.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, you are autistic. Get help.
Noone would ever casually joke and banter with the person who ruined their life forever. Surge hates him, which is why she’s not being nice to him.
Christ, it’s having to explain basic human interactions to a spastic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you mentally impaired? >hurr durr but she hates him!!
Yes. Everyone understands she hates him. That was never not the question. But, maybe you don't know this because this is the first fight you've ever seen in media, ever, but, if ONE SIDE is joking and making fun while the other is nearly crying, then the side that is crying is, extremely obviously, not winning.
Surge lost. Surge did not even do any damage to Sonic. In the meantime, she literally only survives this becasue she's a functional zombie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Because Surge was upset Sonic had ruined her life
This makes Surge sound straight up damaged. Starline did this shit to her, she shouldn't even bother with Sonic.
If they presented it as her programming fricking with her head then I could buy it, but no they're intentionally presenting her as wanting to hate Sonic because she blames him for people like Starline and Eggman, and it feels like that writing can't actually go anywhere because Sonic's not allowed to grow as a character.
This writing is just plain bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She was Mentally Programed and Groomed, All she has in the head is kill Sonic, and she is convinced that if she does he problems will be over.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Except she already knows that all of this is programmed and she has no actual reason to hate Sonic, but she's embracing it nonetheless.
Surge really should have fought Sonic at least two or three times before this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She knows that her hatred for Sonic was programmed into her. But she then realizes that she was put into this situation because of Starline, who concocted this whole scheme because of Eggman, and he's still active because Sonic keeps letting him go. So she has a shitlist and the doctors are at the top of it for her. She blames Sonic but also shows she wants him to join her crusade in killing Eggman and Starline, to rectify his mistakes and role in all of this. He declines and he's back on the list. She's Jason Todd, asking Sonic why he doesn't kill Eggman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> She's Jason Todd, asking Sonic why he doesn't kill Eggman.
All that's left is for Sonic to kill her so she doesn't get finish Eggman, just like a hero would.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Surge is Jason Todd
That's frighteningly accurate, and depressing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She took her problem and made it worse by wanting to kill everything. She took it upon herself to be a villain with her own motives that extend beyond what Starline implanted in her.
That said I don't think she can ultimately resist hating Sonic. Kit was able to simmer down entirely because of Tails until he learned that Surge would be in trouble next and just couldn't allow that.
I want Surge to Become Yandere for Sonic After he beats her.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>After
I'd say she's there already.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She took her problem and made it worse by wanting to kill everything. She took it upon herself to be a villain with her own motives that extend beyond what Starline implanted in her.
That said I don't think she can ultimately resist hating Sonic. Kit was able to simmer down entirely because of Tails until he learned that Surge would be in trouble next and just couldn't allow that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If they presented it as her programming fricking with her head
That's exactly what is happening. It's evident in how Surge is literally looking for excuses that justify how she feels.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think that she was making up new things to justify killing Sonic was indicating she was mentally damaged. Especially considering how her line of logic ends in an admission she doesnt want to be alive.
She made him sweat, but Sonic wasn't giving Surge an honest fight. Making Sonic have to put an honest effort in would mean Surge would be on equal footing with Shadow, and that just can't happen.
>but Sonic wasn't giving Surge an honest fight
Got any actual panels to back this up? The entire fight sequence seemed pretty honest to me. Not sure what point you’re trying to get out of bringing up Shadow, neither
Every panel has Sonic looking like he's just toying with Surge, he only looks unnerved while talking to her.
As for your second deal, Shadow's "Ultimate Lifeform" schtick establishes he has to be kept in the higher percentile of power tiers, and some third-rate science fair experiment like Surge being potentially better than him or even on the same level would never stand.
Wow, almost like that’s Sonic’s trademark personality in every fight across the series.
And Shadow is called “the ultimate lifeform” because he doesn’t age, not because he’s “duh stwongest most powerfurr furry evva!” They explain it in the manuals and they explain it in the president’s report. Remember this is the same “ultimate lifeform” that’s before gotten beaten up by a squatter echidna, an 8-year old fox, a israeliteelthief bat, a random copy of Gamma in Sonic Battle, Metal Sonic, and multiple other characters. “Ultimate lifeform” is not intended as an indicator for your powerlevel autism, it’s a Shoujo manga reference to a character that reincarnates after dying
Surge seems to be in a really weird place thanks to Starline's training; she's basically designed to either win instantly by shredding something the instant she hits it or losing pretty much instantly.
The latter doesn't matter much for her physically because she'll just regenerate but it does seem to mean that she instantly gets bored and loses focus the second a fight doesn't go as she expects. That puts her at a massive disadvantage to Sonic; sure, if he stood there and let her punch him right in the face, she'd take his head clean off, but he won't and she starts to lock up mentally.
As for the powerup, she probably finds some new mcguffin or somehow comes across the Chaos Emeralds, though the latter is a 1 in a million chance.
That’s an exaggeration. Sonic and Surge’s fight was more dynamic than Sonic’s fights with literally any character beforehand, including Shadow and Metal. Just cause they took turns letting eachother make their speeches doesn’t mean neither were trying - they had an entire superspeed punchupfest qhere they were equally matched, and the fight only came to a close because Surge was accidentally knocked off a ledge
>they had an entire superspeed punchupfest qhere they were equally matched
Not at all. She gave him a workout, sure, but he's clearly way out of her league. Every other action shot is of Sonic punching her lights in, the only strong hit she got was right at the start when she took him by surprise.
And even outside of physically getting beat, Surge was clearly losing the mental fight. As other anons have pointed out, Sonic didn't care much while she was on the verge of tears half the time.
I was expecting her to actually DO shit before she discovered she wasn't what she thought she was, I was expecting her to actually betray Starline to show him the folly of his ways that would leave him feeling humiliated, instead everything we've seen feels like an abridged storyline with virtually no weight to it and someone who's mad at the world in a very disengenuous manner.
Surge is a disappointment, all the hype has been purely fan generated.
I would rather have a Sonic rival starting as an underdog for once rather than pretending to be hot shit just to turn into an eternal jobber like Shadow, Metal, Silver and Scourge.
I have been thinking on how future arcs will go of they ever introduce humans or GUN, maybe a shadow redeption arc?, or a backstory on how they dealt with the virus
I'd like to know how the humans did during Sonic Forces and Metal Virus. The times when Eggman was apparently screwing over the entire world. What are the chances that he was only harassing little furry animals and GUN was just watching from afar and not doing anything because Eggman wasn't bothering the humans?
Sonic is fricking lucky Nack is stuck in the classic era. He'd have smacked the blue boy around before Surge would've had a chance to finish her pity speech.
I'm willing to bet money this is going to be nowhere near as cool as this cover makes it look. IDW covers are borderline false advertising at times. Which is a comic staple but still.
Logically, how could a fight between Whisper and Surge go? I know Whisper has wisps but I don't know how effective they could make her against Surge, especially an empowered Surge.
That depends on how big her powerup is. If we're going from a storytelling perspective, though, it's more likely Surge is going to beat the everloving frick out of whisper to make her seem like a real threat.
I'm assuming Tangle will be there too or show up to save Whisper. Maybe a quick scuffle and game of cat and mouse before Tangle appears and Surge leaves. Issue ends with Surge leaving. I remember that last Chaotix issue and how disconnected it was and can't shake the feeling it'll be that all over again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
...I can't imagine how Tangle of all characters could fight off Surge.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shes not going to fight. She will definitely try to calm her down, befriend her or something.
And Surge will say frick it and try to bash her head.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Correction, she's going to fry her. The issue shows she's went full electric. Honestly looks cool, but i fear they'll just waste the transformation and turn her into a jobber.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's like I'm really reading Steven Universe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can see it go badly in a fight but Tangle is very talkative and might say something to change Surge's mood, making her cut the fight short.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"Come on, I know someone who can help you, his name is Sonic.." >"Gets electrocuted"
2 years ago
Anonymous
That is also very likely to happen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She will capture her inside of a bottle for a joke's sake and she will be forgotten there, still into her lighting form.
Most likely ducking, hiding, and decoying while taking range shots for chip damage. I honestly think Shadow is going to conveniently show up, he hasn't been seen since the White Park incident.
Am i the only one who likes seeing Surge and Kitsunami together? I think they're a nice duo. I hope they don't get split apart because of muh redemption.
Same, those two are a duo. They're pretty much the only two characters in the series that understand eachother's deal and want the same resolution.
Killing one or the other just doesn't add anything. In a previous thread people were banking on Surge dying being something that could bring Kit closure, but I doubt it's that simple. They're both thoroughly brainwashed into having triggers like sleeper agents. In that hypothetical scenario Kit wouldn't miraculously get better. He's conditioned to be loyal to Surge, he's not a battered boyfriend.
Kind of funny they were set up like a pair, took down Metal together, and then they specifically split up and fought Sonic and Tails separately. I know Sonic and Tails together would be just as bad for them if not worse but what was the point in all the teamwork building if the goal was for them to fight solo?
I hate this shitty character because what Flynn is doing is wasting everyone's time. No. Sonic will NOT kill Eggman because Surge criticized his code. No Sonic will NOT kill the Deadly Six. No Sonic will NOT kill Starline either.
Sonic will not kill because Sega has rules and those rules makes Flynn's tantrum worthless. It's all going to be a worthless aimless meandering trash mess. Sega will never tolerate the idea of such drastic changes where Sonic slays his enemies. And having a character calling all this out? It only ensures we see this entire mess of a comic as stagnant by default.
The worst part? The whole pacifism and don't kill your enemies trash? It also applies to Comic Original Characters like how Whisper was not allowed to kill that squid serial killer who murdered her friends. So what reason is there to read this shit comic? Every single good guy is basically restrained, censored, and blocked from doing what they can to save the innocent so they are FORCED to be wuss cucks.
This comic is shit. The sooner it's canceled the better. I hope Evans introduces more Leftist agendas to hurt sales and hopefully the comic is canceled because as it is? It's not even worth pirating.
Literally half this board is about kids cartoons where you know the main characters and main bad guy aren't gonna die, they can still be entertaining and have interesting conflicts about how the characters relate to each other. I know people died in Archie because it was the wild west and no one was checking up on them but you are asking too much of a kids adventure comic. You can still have interesting material and stakes without people getting killed.
Even Walt Disney had a policy when making his animated films for kids and his policy was Evil MUST Be Punished. Sure it didn't always happen like in Cinderella and often Walt Disney relied on the villains killing themselves somehow, rarely did you see the heroes intentionally killing the villains like in Sleeping Beauty.
But the point is at least Disney tried to continue this mentality that a criminal and villain must pay for their evil deeds. Sega on the other hand is just shit. They really are shit. Even their older franchises Yakuza is shit, Yakuza is the story of Kiryu a member of the Yakuza criminal underworld who NEVER kills. What kind of shit writing is this? This isn't about Sonic, it's that Sega has a repulsive insulting theme, moral, and message for all their properties. I'm glad Sega's Shinobi series is dead because I don't want to see Shinobi become the story of Ninjas Who Do NOT Kill.
Frick Sega and their censored family friendly shit as it poisons all of their properties. The sooner Sega dies the better. Apologies for the rant but Sega pisses me off because it's not just Sonic that's negatively impacted.
>But the point is at least Disney tried to continue this mentality that a criminal and villain must pay for their evil deeds.
WHAT? Every single Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck villain is still alive and well, several of them are actually dangerous individuals that even tried and even outright killed people.
This. In the Mickey Universe the characters are actors. For goodness sake Pete in the recent Mickey Mouse shorts willingly helped Mickey's friends to celebrate Mickey's birthday by making a gigantic cake.
In the Mickey universe the characters are actors and even then they never do as many hideous things as what you would expect like the theatrical villains like Scar.
>Pete
I'm talking about Phantom Blot who unlike Pete is a literal supervillain killing people and trying to take over the world, he's active ever since 1939
In the Yakuza games the villains die without Kiryu killing them specifically. When you make enemies in the criminal underworld, there's more than one person who's gonna try to kill you. It gives Kiryu a morality a lot of his enemies don't have. It's hard to make a criminal more heroic than other criminals while having them kill
Your entire comment is "why ins't the villain right and the hero agreeing with him"
You're asking for MCU overused formula where a villain bring a basic social problem but go full moron and in the end the hero end up doing whatever the villain wanted but in the "right way"
Look man I don't mind heroes not killing their enemies but I have one simple demand, do NOT make your villains deserving of the death penalty. If I were Sega I would redesign Sonic and all the characters to make it clear it's an new universe and in this one Eggman is a comedic bumbling dumb stupid oaf. As for the old universe to close it off I would have Eggman finally killed off to give closure to that universe's storyline because the Eggman born from Sonic Adventure until now? He definitively deserves to fricking die and I'm tired of idiots pretending that anyone would ever forgive this pile of evil shit.
I actually liked the idea of Eggman being a literal comedic Frenemy of Sonic similar to Team Rocket. Yes he's a villain, but we know he does it because it's a hobby. He even joined a villains club to see if his evil lair is worthy of winning the spot on a magazine. That shit is funny. I also liked that the redesigned Eggman to emphasize this Eggman is silly and not the evil psycho from the comics or video games.
Nice theory, but his inconsistency is more a product of incompetent writing than anything else. Other characters have gotten the shaft personality-wise just as hard as him, it's just that he's the sole character where the lore states there's a bunch of clones of stashed away somewhere.
Surge was done an incredible disservice by Starline's most recent reset.
She was previously internally questioning her hatred of Sonic, asking why she feels the way she feels and starting to break that down. But before she really got to that point again, she found out about everything.
Now instead of working it through herself she's fully fallen into an emotional downwards spiral, she no longer cares to push back at her feelings and is instead content to embrace them with any excuse she can find.
these threads in general seem to always go down into insanity, and i've noticed this since last year
probably could just be because its sonic, or because of /sthg/ being insane, or both.
It's because the Ride started with Archie and reminded everyone how awful it truly was, and those who weren't convinced got violent, then it turned into one big ongoing shitflinging session.
Since I have no faith that the plot about Surge being pissed at Sonic for letting Starline/Eggman live will go anywhere, it would probably have been better if they were made from scratch.
If nothing else, it'd get rid of some of the endless buildup.
They became like Android 17 and 18 AFTER his original plan was scrapped. Dragonball used Androids and Cyborgs as if they were the same thing, 17 and 18 were humans that got turned into cyborgs.
I had several ideas for it since it does sound nice in theory, but whenever I tried bringing it up with other Sonic artists, I was met with total disinterest each time.
I've always known about the Sonic comics but never read them. Finally read the IDW comics and I enjoyed them! Even if they got a little too... weird(?) for my tastes. Wasn't too big on the metal virus arc.
Never really thought about Sonic having any sort of canon, like with the Mario games I just saw them as Sonic Team taking the characters and putting them into whatever janky mess they want to make this time. Although with Ian writing Frontiers (or I guess on the team at least), that could change for the better I hope?
Surge is cool by the way but I don't really care much about the original characters. I do think Whisper is cute though.
>Even if they got a little too... weird(?) for my tastes.
And IDW is incredibly tame compared to Archie and Fleetway. It's probably the best introduction to Sonic comics.
I've only gotten glimpses of those and they're just crazy to me. Nevermind the story being bonkers, but the art changing every issue for the Archie comics I believe was just really offputting. Thankfully this was a much easier read.
https://i.imgur.com/BJFmJIV.png
Glad you enjoyed the ride, anon. You're not alone in your opinion regarding the Metal Virus Arc. It's an easy read today, but back when it was the current arc it overstayed its welcome very quickly (at that time it easily ammounted to 2/3 of the published issues).
Ian's kind of a moron, not exactly the best writer out there, but he ain't satan, either. I'm cautiously optimistic for Frontiers, if not for the fact I'm more than ready for literally anyone but Pontac writing for the games.
Sonic as a franchise does have some continuity, in theory. Everyone always seems to take it in wildly different directions, though, not even SoJ's continuity and characterizations have stayed consistent. Just pick whatever you think fits the series best and enjoy.
Ah yeah I can totally see that, it really did overstay its welcome. For me Sonic is kinda stuck in his late 90s to 2005 characterization, so just seeing a kinda poorly adapted zombie story with Sonic was hard to read. Not painful, but I'm glad we're past it. I'll definetly have Ian write for the games since he at least shows some restraint.
I think for me Sonic X has some of Sonic's best stories, but if the new stories have to bring OCs to the mix to get somewhere new I guess I can overlook them taking most of the screentime.
Never realised the continuity stuff though, i should check that out!
Some highlights to spoonfeed [...] : >Sonic's most consistent qualities pre-reboot were his rudeness and insistence on dating other characters >There was a not-so-subtle push to have him hook up with Sally pre-reboot >Titan Tails. Look it up >In an alternate future Shadow becomes the king and basically turns into Hitler >There's a character called Dulcy the Dragon that's clumsy, the comic explains said clumsiness as the result of her getting her shit kicked in constantly by her abusive boyfriend >Charmy Bee isn't a kid, he's a teenager with brain damage that makes him act like a 6 year-old with ADHD >His friend ate a laced hotdog and died of an overdose >Sonic cucks Tails >Knuckles is a radioactive mutant, he was quite literally microwaved as an egg because his father had a schizophrenic dream that told him his child needed to be strong >So many fricking Megaman crossovers, one of which, IIRC, is supposed to be canon
Wow. I didn't know it was this bad. I'm shocked, but also not really shocked, that SEGA let crap like that slide for years. Thanks anon.
>Wow. I didn't know it was this bad. I'm shocked, but also not really shocked, that SEGA let crap like that slide for years. Thanks anon.
I wouldn't take that anon's interpretation that seriously. It's not perfect and definitely has flaws, even with Ian's run but you might have noticed that there's an anon and tripgay that go out of their way to shit on it. Most of the problems come from the dark ages which is tied to one writer in particular. Everything else is subjective.
>Even if they got a little too... weird(?) for my tastes.
And IDW is incredibly tame compared to Archie and Fleetway. It's probably the best introduction to Sonic comics.
I've always known about the Sonic comics but never read them. Finally read the IDW comics and I enjoyed them! Even if they got a little too... weird(?) for my tastes. Wasn't too big on the metal virus arc.
Never really thought about Sonic having any sort of canon, like with the Mario games I just saw them as Sonic Team taking the characters and putting them into whatever janky mess they want to make this time. Although with Ian writing Frontiers (or I guess on the team at least), that could change for the better I hope?
Surge is cool by the way but I don't really care much about the original characters. I do think Whisper is cute though.
: >Sonic's most consistent qualities pre-reboot were his rudeness and insistence on dating other characters >There was a not-so-subtle push to have him hook up with Sally pre-reboot >Titan Tails. Look it up >In an alternate future Shadow becomes the king and basically turns into Hitler >There's a character called Dulcy the Dragon that's clumsy, the comic explains said clumsiness as the result of her getting her shit kicked in constantly by her abusive boyfriend >Charmy Bee isn't a kid, he's a teenager with brain damage that makes him act like a 6 year-old with ADHD >His friend ate a laced hotdog and died of an overdose >Sonic cucks Tails >Knuckles is a radioactive mutant, he was quite literally microwaved as an egg because his father had a schizophrenic dream that told him his child needed to be strong >So many fricking Megaman crossovers, one of which, IIRC, is supposed to be canon
Glad you enjoyed the ride, anon. You're not alone in your opinion regarding the Metal Virus Arc. It's an easy read today, but back when it was the current arc it overstayed its welcome very quickly (at that time it easily ammounted to 2/3 of the published issues).
Ian's kind of a moron, not exactly the best writer out there, but he ain't satan, either. I'm cautiously optimistic for Frontiers, if not for the fact I'm more than ready for literally anyone but Pontac writing for the games.
Sonic as a franchise does have some continuity, in theory. Everyone always seems to take it in wildly different directions, though, not even SoJ's continuity and characterizations have stayed consistent. Just pick whatever you think fits the series best and enjoy.
Yeah. She's still great and the 50th issue was overall good.
It's just trying to bring the ethics of the death penalty is just too silly and weird for Sonic.
Didn't she get destroyed by Sonic?
Yeah
Any link to the new issues? I'd like to see her get Stomped by Sonic.
Just check tbh.
Alright Got it Not a bad intro in to Surge she's a little over the Top with the Unhinged part, Tails reasoning with Kitsunami was what I expected to happen and Sonic beating sense in to Surge was a good start but kinda cut short I would have like to see more from that fight instead of ending the way it did.
Frick the Surge V. Sonic fight
>The story begins
>WITH WHOSE GUNNA WIN
>Enter the final boss
I wanna enter HER
>eggman and me, we have a nice little setup here
>he gets to go wild and have fun
>i stop him when nobody else can
>he "gets away" and i get a parade celebrating my win
>rinse and repeat
>i can't just have someone come in and ruin that for me
>sorry kid, the real threat here is you
Ironic how relevent this ended up being, ain't it?
Cribbing Geese Howard is usually a good idea.
Technically her crippling mental derangement drove her into a chasm. Sonic just played with her like a violin until she did it.
She fell into a hole.
who
Why post if you didn't read it, dude?
I wanted to know who the new sonic character is.
Buttmad Archiegay detected.
Female Scourge.
Sonic canon:
Games > Cartoons > Comics
You can move down the chain but nothing can move to a higher medium no matter how fun or stupid it is.
That's just Cinemaphile
>She’s had a harder life than literally anyone in the series
Not really, she had an incredibly easy life with everything laid out before her. The only problem is that she's mentally deranged.
She's experienced no loss, no physical slogs, nothing.
Frick off, Archietard.
I've never read a single Archie, lmao, rent free.
I still want to get pegged by her, yes.
Issue 50 probably helped in that regard, yes.
She will never be canon to the games will she?
She has a better chance than anyone from Archie.
Anon, have you seen the state of the games?
Her never being near that shit is a blessing.
why would you want to even play any new sonic game
You can play her in srb2.
Cool.
True, but I think her fans are hated more. She's the face of Archie/SatAM so she gets the brunt of the vitriol.
And that's good. Sally was a shit character, always will be.
The IDWgay is based.
Nice mass-replying.
i still like her and can't wait for surge vs whisper
no, and that's a good thing
Surge going full psycho in a couple months
She will be in one of the new Sonic games. It's pretty obvious. She's a canon SEGA character, approved and liked by SEGA themselves after all.
I can imagine Tangle getting a kind of Sonic+Ristar style gameplay type that could honestly be pretty fun. Also'd love to hear her canon voice, which'll probably be nothing like how I imagine her.
Pretty much. Literally, she was created in process as gameplay first and foremost. Of fricking course, she will play as a good character in a Sonic game.
It baffles me that nothing from Archie ever considered this, but then again, they are literally the worst thing to ever come from Sonic. No wonder it's buried deep down and never ever acknowledged. Archie was a shitstain to the franchise.
>villain destroyed several multiverses for fun
>Tails is the choosen one not Sonic and turn into a giat hulk like version of himself
Ngl it was more absurd than any teenager fanfiction
Yep. Now you know why SEGA hates Archie shit, rightfully so.
Honestly, Archie should be more and more criticized harsh. It was this shit comic that killed Sonic, not '06 or Shadow, who are Sonic games with great ambition.
It's entirely possible she and Kitsunami will be added to a mobile game seeing as how Tangle and Whisper are in two of them.
Why do you want shit games?
You'd be a better person asking for the movies to use the shitty OCs.
She probably will show up in the mobile game
>mobile game
non-canon
She's a female sonic character so yes
Sally is hated
At this point practically every character is controversial in this shitshow of a fandom.
With one notable exception.
IDW Rouge is a based b***h
It's good to be a Rouge-gay. Everyone loves best girl.
>Everyone loves best girl.
and Knuckles
Thats not Blaze.
I bet she likes her womb being stuffed like a bell pepper
You're close, more like a fox knot.
She seems like a horse fricker than knotter
who am I kidding she would do both
Okay is she fricking the robot or nah? What was his name omega? Okay
No, they aren't even friends.
Omega is for Blaze.
Unironically. He used to have a thing for her in archie
Only Archie ugly shit OCs are, and for a good reason.
yeah like the puppet is any better
Belle has the excuse of being a Trans metaphor.
>Belle has the excuse of being a Trans metaphor.
Oh god no.
Nah, Sally is really hated, and everyone obviously knows why.
Good.
As she should be
Not a problem.
her porn numbers are in the top ten for sonic chicks though
Is the femlae character with the most fna art after amy rose and cream
somehow weaker then Infinite
Anyone is better than that wet blanket puppet.
even Tommy Turtle is better since at least he knew he was shit and killed himself
She's cool I guess, though her acting like she did towards Sonic in issue 50 was all for naught because Sonic doesn't even know her so he can't show any real sympathy. Can't wait to see how nuts she gets later on.
Even moreso, what with her being right.
Haha it's like Sonic is a video game franchise or something how meta bravo Ian
She's a whiney baby.
She’s had a harder life than literally anyone in the series, and harder than Sonic, and harder than you. Confronting the pampered moron responsible for it all isn’t being whiney, it’s having the spine to stand up for yourself
>She’s had a harder life than literally anyone in the series
How do you know? Even she doesn't know. She may have had a cushy life before being mindwiped.
Being memory wiped, turned into an half-zombie cybernetic abomination and then brainwashed into being an living weapon sounds like a pretty bad life to me.
Sounds fricking cool to me, she got super speed, sick lightning powers and a simp to run interference, too. She's got nothing to complain about.
See above.
Nothing she's had happen to her is worse than Shadow's past
Shadow was never murdered...
And? Neither was Surge given the fact she's still alive
Shadow also had a near death experience and his memories fricked with
Surge has died and been revived multiple times, actually. Kit too. Actually, if Kit is weaker he might have died more often.
So? They get mindwiped, they don't remember it. They've seen it on video but it's not like the experience really happened because they don't remember it
Still a pretty scary thing to think about. I wonder if they still felt the pain when revived.
>seeing your friend you've known for less than a year get shot
vs
>get tortured to death yourself multiple times over, and everything about you erased including not only memories but personality
Delusional.
So Shadow? Move over b***h. You're old news, just like black Sonic.
Because after being mindwiped she was tortured, experimented-on, murdered and resurrected multiple times over, then brainwashed repeatedly into being someone's mindbroken slave with her past personality, memories and life effectively erased
Her life reflects Shadow's in many ways in suffering but a issue with Surge is that a lot of her hatred for Sonic is manufactured and that she is being unreasonable despite knowing this.
She has every right to call out Sonic for being passive but she would have had a better standing in it if she didn't want to fight him and then destroy the world.
>but she would have had a better standing in it if she didn't want to fight him and then destroy the world.
To be fair, from her viewpoint she has nothing to lose. Either her life sucked or no one cared to look for her, and she still has no memories, has an entire electric machine jammed up her skull, has an brainwashed hatred of sonic, and of course, when they meet he acts like a jackass who's all
>lol i just protect freedumbs, you can't kill eggman
She had no excuse but it was not her fault as well, she lost her free will, her original memory was replaced by a new person that is insane.
It's like Batman Beyond when Tim Drake is brainwashed into being the Joker
Yeah she looked like she was on the verge of crying like a little b***h in multiple panels. She was such a homosexual.
All the fanart of her was building her up to be this ultimate psycho-killer, but she's actually a pretty tragic character.
That's the thing though, all of Surge (and Kit's) hype was generated by fans because IDW took so long actually telling their story. The comic barely did shit with them.
She need a proper Dicking to cancel out the Crazy.
i like punk tomboy vibe she gets off, best to bully and love
god i want to rub my tongue across her teeth
She's really not. She has no idea about her life, made a lot of assumptions, did jack and shit to confirm them, then submitted to her psycho boss to show how independent she was. Her last move was to fall into a barely-metaphorical pit of her own opinion and now she's off to fight the weakest sonic character to prove she's badass. Surge is a joke, and that's only going to become more obvious in time.
>She has no idea about her life
Because Starline took it from her. Like I said, tragic.
>made a lot of assumptions, did jack and shit to confirm them
She's stubborn and crazy.
>submitted to her psycho boss to show how independent she was
She was gonna backstab his ass, but Eggman got there first.
>fall into a barely-metaphorical pit of her own opinion
Please, she has every right to be pissed that Sonic spared Starline and Eggman.
>off to fight the weakest sonic character to prove she's badass
Who do you mean? Whisper?
>Because Starline took it from her. Like I said, tragic.
She claims if she willingly went with Starline then her life didn't have all that much merit to it.
I'm pretty sure we'll never know who Surge and Kit were before Starline got to them.
Something like pic related would give me a serious feel.
IMO having their relatives be genuinely looking for her would probably be more tragic. Like, imagine, they ARE missed, but whoever's looking for them just doesn't have the means to spread the word.
Good, bullying her to tears and smooching is my fetish
I want a PSYCHOnic copypasta about Sonic hounding Surge across the world, but instead of attacking her he spanks her.
I can sooner imagine Vanilla being the one to do it.
pic related
But Anon, she'd bite your tongue off.
Unless you made sure to gag her.
>be big anon and gag her with your tongue.
>she dazed in hot and bothered state
I wrote a small green of a similar concept in a previous thread, but the second part got deleted for being off-topic, even though by that point we had all begun posting psychonic shit.
MODS = gayS
But IIRC, yours ended with a beating. I am specifically talking about spankings.
>no one has ever had the balls to try that with her
>she starts melting in your arms
Yeah mine ended with Sonic picking a fight. I'd love to see more anons here take up your idea and write more greens.
I love Sticks.
Uncanon shit.
Yes, so much so people genuinely think Sonic should've taken a beating and bent over backwards for her, rather than treat her like the 'dangerous lunatic who'll take any excuse to hurt anybody' that she is.
>"I should be allowed to destroy civilization because I'M SAD"
I thought people hated this? Now they're in favor of it because of hot girl?
She was having a breakdown due to being brainwashed and losing her memories, even her personality was replaced
She still shouldn't be given free reign to kill people though? What was Sonic supposed to do?
Admit he was wrong to protect the men that ruined her life like a not-narcissist who can fess up to his mistakes, then stop her anyway because she’s evil
>she is evil
It is kinda fricked how she is good person brainwashed to be evil possibly forever
Maybe. For all we know she was a massive b***h before Starline got her.
>Admit he was wrong to protect the men that ruined her life
Would've made things worse, without a shadow of a doubt. Surge didn't actually care about what she was saying, she was looking for excuses to feel the way she did.
I shouldn't need to say that her burning hatred of Sonic is a product of brainwashing, not cause and effect.
If Sonic had cooperated with her obvious insanity, it would've only gotten worse for Surge. She would have taken that as reinforcement to harden her thoughts and intents to ultimately end the world.
Challenging her and wearing her down was the best option available to Sonic.
That's the traditional hero line which I think would be out of character for Sonic. Sonic just values freedom and only opposes evil to the point that it takes freedom away. That's probably been the most consistent part of his character across all media
It doesn't matter bout what happens
It doesn't matter who is wrong and who is right
Sonic Team making actual covers for their comic sure helps.
Sorry, anon, but they will just put their hands on their ears and sing aloud. They always want to be in the right, yet secretly they seethe they won't ever get back their shitty ass furhomosexualry OCs.
It's useless. They are worthy on nothing, but to rip off of them some laughing at their pathetic selves.
Not just that, Sonic Team is pretty heavily involved into character creating process, they licensed two IDW characters into two phone games, they got official merch, and they are pretty heavily advertised.
Meanwhile, Archie got... lol, nothing. I'm glad IDW is still going strong. I'm glad I'm not an Archiecuck.
Is anybody else glad SEGA is backing up IDW, not Archieshit? Imagine if they did the latter. Then Sonic would be in an even worse laughable state.
This is why I support SEGA.
Damn, you don't shoot people like that, son.
Based Sonic Team dishonoring furhomosexualry diaper shit.
I like how that other guy didn't ever respond you back, lol.
It helps immensely, yeah. Except Surge in a Sonic game soon.
And that's good. SEGA was right to not ever give the minimum attention to Fartchie.
And that's great. Anything to spit more into Archie's grave.
I still prefer her to Manic so sure
Sally had the best voice in the series.
If you also happen to like diapers, then maybe, lol.
Rouge has the best voice in the series.
Specifically 40yo Cougar X Rouge
*horny saxophone waxes in background*
It's an Archiegay. Don't reply.
Please, X Rouge sounded like a chain smoker.
Which is the sexiest possible voice for her, yes.
No, Lani Minella is still her best voice.
Change your diapers, Richmunk.
Why do Archietards keep bringing up their favorite shitty ass dead comic for every single moment? Stop forcing this shit, you moron.
Tommy Turtle is shit anon stop defending him
who? sounds like some shitty ass forced mary-sue OC
The responses these sort of comment always get always comes off as a single samegay angry about someone else sharing a different opinion.
Once again: autism can make some people do the dumbest things ever, Anon the Anon.
Classic Archiegay behavior to assume everyone is one person, lol.
don't forget this one
Kath Soucie seems to attract the worst tards though.
Honestly, i literally haven't read IDW up to this point.
I literally only read issues 46-50 and Imposter Syndrome because of Surge and Kitsunami. That's it. I really like the two, they're interesting characters.
What am I looking for here besides Yangus in the bottom left?
Sonic did nothing wrong
This guy is still alive? Hahaha, oh wow. Just like Archiegays, he really won't ever move on.
He's just mad Sonic Team never drew any of his shitty OCs...
Based Boco.
Amuses me to no end that this guy is STILL alive. He's a living lolcow, at this point.
You aren't excited for THE LARA-SU CHRONICLES (tm), the true conclusion to Archie's Mobius: 25 Years Later saga?
Yeah, it should look more like this.
Reminder that Archiegays literally still keep praising this hack.
Well, lets not go nuts. No one praises him anymore.
The fact you're defending Archietards is enough to make you as clown.
Just saying, Penders being an untalented hack is the one thing that the entire Sonic community has unanimously agreed on.
>the entire Sonic community has unanimously agreed on.
Except Archietards.
Belle is an actual canon SEGA Sonic character, so yes.
What? Archie readers hate him for pretty much singlehandedly killing the comic.
Nah, the diaper homosexuals love him pretty much. It was SEGA who killed it, rightfully so.
Belle will never be canon just like IDW
Change your diapers.
That's not avatargayging. He's based.
>no arguments
>obviously defending himself saying he's not avatargayging when what he is doing is clearly avatargayging
you're shit comic is less canon then Kenshiro to the Sonic games
Freefrick Furhomosexuals will never come back. Stop projecting, Richmunk.
anon that's Kenshiro
>all a minute apart
dear god at least wait a minute to make it less obvious
Most Archigays are more fans of what Ian Flynn did with Penders' characters, than they are fans of Penders himself
Imagine defending Archiegays.
>nooo just shut up and believe the shit i just made up its not fair!
autism
Didn't these Archie morons literally harassed Ian recently?
All the Archie gays are grown-up manchildren, so they are actually literally more fond of Penders shit.
Ian Flynn's fans are game fans, while Archie idiots only seek more from Penders.
Pretty much everything Penders ever wrote for Sonic amounts to "something awesome is coming... later" so imagine if Lara-Su Chronicles payoff isn't worth it. (assuming it ever does come out)
People hate Penders because he literally wrote the most un-Sonic shit ever made.
Oh, its never coming. Especially since it turns out he didn't really win anything.
I'm glad Archie shit is dead.
Why the frick are you ever considering to give a piece of sympathy to Archiecucks?
Shut the FRICK up Ken, it's your fault we'll never get anything in the vein of Sonic Chronicles again you supermassive prick.
I don't like Ken either but let's not pretend Sonic Chronicles was anything other than unmitigated garbage
If you didn't get Cream to join your party or find the chao that removed the Ouendan shit the game truly ended up amazingly unfun.
The complete non-ending though is so abrupt you can't help but laugh.
I find it funny that he still keeps track of Sonic comics. He also seems to think people wouldn't be curious as to who these characters are. Uno/Karasuno's done a great job making the cover interesting enough to get curious eyes on it. Anything to prove he's superior I guess, like he would even survive writing for Sonic comics in this age. I also find it especially funny when Archie drones come to defend him like he wasn't the catalyst that ended the comic.
>I also find it especially funny when Archie drones come to defend him like he wasn't the catalyst that ended the comic.
SEGA killed the comic, but in any case, Archiegays literally eat up anything Penders ever shits on, and it's fricking disgusting. I'm glad Archie shit is finally done.
That will happen, yeah.
>I find it funny that he still keeps track of Sonic comics.
He needs to in order to find shit to be mad about and point towards as "proof" he's getting plagiarized. Kinda like that BoingKid dumbass a few weeks ago.
>Keeps track
He didnt even know Scourge had a scar on his chest. He thought it was a tattoo.
Kens entire worldview rests on the premise that Sonic is recognizable as a comics icon just as much if not moreso than a games icon, and this is because of the work Ken did for Archie. If a Sonic comic is succeeding without the main characters being Sonic or Knuckles it is a threat to his ego.
He is somewhat right the cover does need Sonikku on the cover or nobody would know what it is or be confused about the characters and the absence of Sonic
Kino
What do you people think they'll even do with Surge? It seems like they're going to bring her back relatively soon, the cover of an issue shows her with some weird power up and about to commit ryona on the masked dyke.
But what are they even going to do with her on the long term? Given the fact that she seems to have grown genuinely popular, i doubt they'll shelf her any soon, but we already know Kit is going to be captured and probably redeemed very soon by Tails since he wasn't programmed to hate *him*, just to help Surge
Well it seems that Tails is going to un-brainwash Kit in some capacity and turn him into an ally, which he may be able to also do to Surge, create another new ally.
Though that won't be for a couple months though.
She's going to make sure Sonic (and maybe others too) understands that his decisions to keep bad people alive will have consequences on people.
He's too much into the thrill to understand the danger he's in since he's always on top. Reality doesn't hit him that his antics do put people in danger, but he's always managed to fix it before it goes too far.
>Reality doesn't hit him that his antics do put people in danger, but he's always managed to fix it before it goes too far.
Just like Goku.
I mean, so what? Is she going to just start beating up his friends or something?
>I mean, so what? Is she going to just start beating up his friends or something?
Yes.
In her mind, she failed to convince Sonic of the dangers he lets free when he tried to save her.
Now it's time for her to skip Act 1 and go to the next one.
The whole ending was an (kind of obviously) a little predictable. What's even the point of following and being attached to underdog villains for dozens of issues? Sonic and Eggman are the main characters, so they're invincible. You always know at the back of your mind that it's impossible for her to win conventionally.
No idea what should happen next.
Well, Sonic is undefeatable, but his friends sure aren't.
So maybe, like a proper fighting manga, she's going to go around causing a bunch of trouble and beating up a bunch of people until sonic comes and beats her for once and for all.
It's one of those things you can only answer for yourself. Like a horror movie where everyone is dead by the end, what we get out of it is the stimulus and the story.
Sonic and Eggman didnt need plot armor, through the series they have shown that Surge, Kit, and Starline were always second rate compared to Sonic and Eggman. Hell, Starline knew this and designed them to have to work together which didnt happen because Starline went to fight Eggman while Surge and Kit went to fight Sonic and Tails, getting their asses kicked because Starline was the only one that actually was aware about how flawed and vulnerable they become when fighting alone.
I'm not gonna lie, I was smiling ear to ear watching Starline's plans go up in smoke, months of watching him pontificate and big himself up to the point I couldn't stand the character, it really would have bothered me had any of it actually worked out.
I think its was a good issue but especially to analyze how his plan failed:
>The plan: Surge, Kit, and Starline work together to take down Eggman and Sonic in separate, well planned encounters.
Flaws:
>Starline is narcissistic and obsessed with Eggman. Does not really care about Surge or Kit.
>Surge is psychotic and stupid. If she also prone to existential crisis. Wants to kill Starline.
>Kit is smart but cowardly. He is a sycophant to Surge but Surge cares little for him. Wants to maybe kill Starline
What happened/went wrong:
>Sonic and Eggman attacked independantly at the same time.
>Starline underestimated or misunderstood Eggman. Later when he attacked he tried to fight Eggman solo instead of asking for help from Surge and Kit.
>Surge and Kit attack Sonic and Tails but split up. Without Starline's guidance they do exactly what leads them to failure over and over again in training.
>Kit let's his obsession override his rationality and waste his water tank. Becomes easy pickings for tails.
>Surge let's her obsession to make her attack blindly, falling to her doom. Actually refusing help and choosing to fall.
>Starline let his obsession to impress Eggman waste his power glove powers and what he could muster to fight Eggman. Getting his ass whooped and having a canipchin fit while getting crushed.
She's an unrepentant psychopath who blames other people for her problems. If the series had any teeth she'd run around killing people to prove her point.
It's especially funny because she hasn't even talked to people. Literally Kit and Starline are the only people she has spoken to after she has her memory wiped. Hell, she has only had eye contact with three living people in the entirety of her so called life.
>What do you people think they'll even do with Surge?
New pet project that gets an issue all to herself but is killed off anticlimactically at the end of her run after achieving nothing but yelling about how the world doesn't care about her.
Ian loves Sally, I think you're forgetting that fact.
Hi, Richmunk.
Everyone makes mistakes.
You're right, which is why it's asinine to think he was being slandered by moronic archiegays for refusing to bring them back or thinking he was trying to prop up Amy over Sally in the preboot days. I still wouldn't hold my breath about him brining them back though, he's still a freelancer by the end of the day.
I see Kit eventually crawling back to Surge. Something tells me he wouldn't take too kindly to Tails messing with his brain/programming either.
Loved turning her into a gay.
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
At least Ian doesn't support Sonic being with Amy.
I think the only ones who ever supported that were Bioware
Naota Ohshima is a big-time Sonamy fan, shame his opinions have meant jack shit since Sonic 3.
>At least Ian doesn't support Sonic being with Amy.
He said he's fine with Sonamy and would do it if he was allowed to. But Sonic got taken off the market permanently and she's mandated to only glomp him and for him to never return her affection.
Yeah
but his first pick would be Sally.
My first pick would be Blaze
Blaze and Silver are basically glued together now, barring Silver occasionally being a solo act. You may not like it but it's what Sega's doing.
Of course, it's his waifu. He even turned Fiona into evil Sally, even though there was an actual evil Sally. But Amy was the backup plan.
I remember reading Ian made a comparison between Sonally and Sonamy, and flat out admitted Sonic works better with Amy, the problem being Sega's stance on Sonic and affection.
>fiona blames sonic for abandoning her to be jailed and tortured by eggman
>sonic says he didn't know and that he would've done everything he could to save her if he knew she was still alive
>surge blames sonic for her being brainwashed and tortured by starline
>sonic: i don't even know who you are
Bravo to Ian for taking his evil ship and merging them into one character.
Frick off and have a nice day.
What's with Archiegays being such crybabies?
>defending Belle
so does this IDWgay count as Avatargayging like the Rottergay or what? how long until he starts spamming the thread again with the copypasta anyway?
Posting Tangle pictures is not avatargayging. The Tangle guy is very based.
Leave the Tangle chad alone, moronic Archiecuck.
Buttmad Archietard.
Tangle gay likes an actual Sonic character, unlike a literal AIDS-rippen diaper furgay spastic moron.
stop talking about yourself in the 3rd person already
>all a minute apart again
for the love of god stop making it obvious
and these one
yet again a minute apart
wait a minute that's two minutes apart, I have exposed myself as a fricking moron
>Diaper homosexual is moronic
Color me surprised.
Let it go, Archiecuck.
Tangle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literal gay Black person walrus, RotorBlack personhomosexual.
I would like to see a Sonic minigame where you control Tangle as she uses her tail to bungee jump to grab for bonus items, rings and a plot device.
You have already said this up above, avatarhomosexual.
No. The Tangle guy is not avatargayging, unlike that moronic Archiegay.
Sally will never come back.
Ian constantly trying for the FFs return has me concerned, it really does.
Freedom Fighters will never come back.
>mass-replying
lol
No. He's giga based.
Tangle is canon. Some moronic down syndrome pooping walrus shit, isn't.
Roshit will never frick you. have a nice day.
Tangle gay is based.
moronic Archie Black person isn't.
Tangle is good, so it isn't avatargayging.
Learn to grow up, Rich.
I don't mind, because Tangle is a great character.
Nah, the Tangle dude is based. The demented Black person homosexual queer isn't.
Tangle is nice, so not a problem.
Try liking actual characters over uncanon non-characters furhomosexualry and you will see what's really avatargayging, moronic Archiegay.
still Avatargays anon
Nah, Richmunk.
you're Rickmunk?
I still have no idea who that is.
Why are you constantly bringing them up?
I think that was a tripgay.
Richie Rich as a chipmunk which is strange because Richie Rich has nothing to do with Sonic
>Archiegay
You treat him as your personal Arch-i-enemy or something.
CARLOS YOU FRICK
Tangle is a SEGA canon character, so no, not avatarhomosexualry in the slightest.
All ArchieBlack folk need to die, and Tangle is a good character, so that's not avatarhomosexualry.
I need Sonic hate sex with Surge
Rape correction
The idea of Sonic forcing himself on Surge is too hot for some reason
ew lot of dyke spam in here
Actual canon characters.
>want to have a fun discussion about Surge
>stopped by constant spergouts of comicwar gays
nobody cares about your stupid rivalry
I want to talk about the green tenrec
>nobody cares about your stupid rivalry
Only if you're a Archie sperg. Literally no one wants to do anything with Archietards.
Nobody's stopping you. You're supposed to ignore them until they get their usual vacation.
Anon, is the same guy talking to himself so he could derail another thread.
Autism makes people do the dumbest things.
Archietard...
What about her?
She's cool
Too bad that Kitsunami is going to be redeemed so quickly. I liked seeing the two of them work together.
Eh, I'm not convinced yet. Tails can try, sure, but theres no guarantee it'll work.
Lets wait and see.
We've already seen he's together with them in the following issue covers.
Covers aren't always accurate. And again, it might not last. Tails could try to help him, but since we know Surge is coming back it might all be for nothing.
>ABLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ABLO ABLO ABLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUH SHITTY GAY WALRUS
have a nice day, rotorBlack personhomosexual
There's just one or two dedicated schizos who hate Sonic threads.
Sorry anon. It happens.
Honey
Will Archiecucks ever stop fricking up Sonic threads?
Anti-Archiegays are the most autistic group in the Sonic community. Rivals and surpasses that of Richmunk's by a long mile.
Shits up every single Sonic comic thread, mentally breaking down at the mere mention of a Freedom Fighter character
Or mentioning that you liked a character from there.
It just never comes off like it's actually the majority opinion. Every comment against Archie is written exactly the same every time.
>Every comment against Archie is written exactly the same every time.
Because everyone agrees unanimously about Archieshit being shit?
This is beyond a spergout. Dude's having a meltdown.
Dunno what's going on in this thread but I love Honey. Thanks for reading.
Oh she's really cute but almost forgoten.
Not forgotten, just banished to the Classic land.
We're watching a guy talk about pancakes.
Can someone replace pancakes in this image with Archiegay, Richmunk and all that other moronic babble he keeps spouting ?
That isn't even worth the effort to open Clip.
too bad she's stuck in Classic hell where it won't get a separate comic series despite having more story potential and more useable game villains then the main IDW series
I like the idea of Honey being the Daisy of Sonic
Honey is old baggage and useless. Serves for nothing and should be scrapped.
She lives on in my heart
Ken Penders wrote, drew and colored every single issue of Archie Sonic. That comic's sole singular reader? Richmunk.
No one else reads and enjoys it. Only Richmunk.
Let's stop arguing and discuss this exploitable pic instead.
When you're a fox you know how bad it is to be raped by one.
Can't be done. Archiegays shit up yet another thread.
>If I put the blame on them then surely no one will notice my samegayging!
not how it works anon.
Tails, go back to your bench.
I'd rather talk about how Kitsunami turns into a fricking psycho when he's in the zone
I hope we'll get to see Psychonami again. This was cool.
>Psychonami
That actually is a good name
I assume Tails ate some expired chilidogs.
Today we're learning about paranoid delusions! Search this thread and you might find a few!
The tanglechad is utterly based on making so many butthurt Archiehomosexuals here to screech. I approve him and he should stay.
Reminder that the Freedom Fighters were created by SEGA of America and appears in a canon Classic Sonic game
The IDW OCs are created by the individual IDW artists
NOOO NOOOOO AAAAAAA AAAAAAA
CHANGE YOUR DIAPERS AAAAAAAA
Change your diapers.
>Spinball
>canon
>Mean Bean Machine
>canon
Do DIC-gays really?
GOD, Archie Shadow is SO much better than the moronic jobber from the IDW comics. But he had the good fortune to be written by COMPETENT writers who actually cared about CANON Sonic characters instead of moronic lesbian puppet OCs.
IDW Shadow is the way he is because Sega demands it. Blame them.
which is weird since even game Shadow wasn't a jobber and his last mainline game appearance had him kick the shit out of Infinite and a clone of him effortlessly
I blame IDW. They're no strangers to writing characters badly.
she should frick Sonic like Sally Acorn did
I dont know what's more pathetic, the obvious falseflagging or Tanglegay calling himself based.
>Knothole
good one
>knothole
Rape joke? That's fine. Saying the "K" word? Oh nonono Sega lawyers would like to know your location.
The Archie comics weren’t that good. They were terrible in fact, far and away the worst and most disrespectful piece of media to ever come out of the Sonic series.
But the point is they just weren’t that good. Certainly not good enough to still cling to like obtuse lunkheaded ninnies after all these years and pathetically screech at sensible anonymous people online for ever daring to criticise the comic, thread after thread after thread, shitting up all unrelated conversation just to preserve your childhood rose-tinted nostalgia. It has been years. The comic isn’t nearly good enough to justify the autism of its fans after all these years.
I’m sorry, I’m usually content to just keep quiet about these kinds of problems but someome had to actually speak up about the elephant in the room because I feel we’ve been keeping quiet about this problem for far too long now. Archiegays have been shitting up every sonic Cinemaphile thread with their mentally arrested autism and constant 24/7 trolling and it has made Cinemaphile sonic threads unbareable.
Archiemanbabies need to MOVE. ON. Your comic is not canon, it is not good, it is BAD FANFICTION.
You know, there's better ways to say that you've never read the book during Flynn's run of the series
Lmao no. Going through Ian’s Archie run chronologically there’s:
>More of Sonic’s relationshit drama
>Needless and overabundant lore and exposition dumping
>An entire arc spent on Sir Connery and everybody’s favourite part of the Sonic games: the Kingdom of Acorn’s monarchy
>The death of everybody’s favourite character Tommy Turtle, why yes this is the perfect thing to waste Tails’ DESTINY from #56 on
>Ruining Rouge’s character beyond repair, Round 1
>Turning Tails into a cuck, Round 2
>House of Cards
>Yet MORE political shit
>Yet MORE of Sonic’s relationshit drama
>The Sonic X comic run
>Wasting more than a year’s worth of irl time on Scourge standing around in Sonic’s treehouse doing nothing, without managing to let the SS do literally anything or even reveal anything on their backstories, because of course if they aren’t a hedgehog then who cares about them?
>More of every FF except Sonic being treated as useless and unimportant, Rotor even gets his back broken and nothing has changed as of yet
>The worst possible way anyone could’ve wasted an MXYL Universe arc
>Ruining Rouge’s character again
>An FCBD issue dedicated to showing how powerful and unstoppable Sonic is and how useless and worhless all his friends and rivals are in comparison and how they couldn’t hope to even compare
>Journey to the East, an interesting concept that of course must be wasted on 4 issues of Sally doing political shit
>King Naugus, which of course results in nothing except MORE political shit
>Mecha Sally, a test in just how long Ian can stretch his arcs for no reason at all
>The planned ensuing arc wherein Sonic would go looking for “real” Sally
>The Unleashed adaptation, and spending literally all of Reboot on it
And of course
>The 2nd Megaman Crossover, a crossover so unbelievably terrible and so expensive, that put so many of Archie’s IP eggs into one basket that the ensuing terrible quality, overstretched plot where nothing happens in most of the issues, badly stitched-in Zeti, useless should-be MVP characters like X, overly shilled original OCs that everyone hated (cough cough XANDER PAYNE) and idiotic one-issue deus ex machinas designed to remove all stakes nearly bankrupted Archie and was THE driving force behind their decision to cancel Archie. An arc so goddamn fricking terrible it got Archie Sonic cancelled forever. That’s what the 2nd Megaman crossover is.
“b-but muh pellerito scapegoat!”
The job of a writer is to make writing entertaining. If Flynn cannot even do that to keep the sales of that arc up to even the usual standard of reboot issues, then he is a terrible writer.
And now obviously I’m only pointing out the extremely big and memorable piles of shit with Flynn’s name on em in the manure field that is Archie. There are a lot of other smaller turds you’ll find littered between the issues. Fact of the matter is Ian’s Archie run was garbage, people hold him in high status because he came off the back of Penders.
CHADnitevus wrecking everyone's shit was pretty awesome, though.
Who created this ugly fricking character, penders?
due to retcons technically yes
No, Ian.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. He was created by Karl Bollers, then retconned to being the same person as a background character Penders created.
Starline should've been someone that used Eggman as a distraction. Give him something to wreck the world with and while everyone is busy with that, achieve his own ambitions. Then the usual "Eggman tries to control an evil god, things go badly" plays out. And he wouldn't be relying on Eggman's tech or copying him.
I just realised we haven't gotten an evil god yet, how could this be Sonic without an evil god?
Only Sega is allowed to create and use those.
Yeah, having every villain piss their pants in fear of Eggman is lame. If all your villains are terrified of the guy that Sonic beats all the time, than how is the audience supposed to take them seriously?
How insane are SEGA's restrictions, anyway? I know they kept the Sonic Boom crew from using Shadow very often, but they can't be so crazy that you need 12 different goddamn OCs just to write comicbook plots around while Sonic weaves in and out of the story like a guest star.
>How insane are SEGA's restrictions, anyway?
The Sonic Boom writers even said it was hard to write anything with Big the Cat which is why they didn't use him when they really wanted to.
>restrictions on Big the fricking Cat
pic related
Yeah, but they can't just have a story about him fighting some new villain, or getting into a tricky situation that requires him to be smart to get out of? EVERY SINGLE COMIC requires a half-dozen OCs hogging all the damn spotlight? I'm not sure if it's Sega's restrictions doing this, or if it's Evan and Ian desperately shilling their OCs.
Sonic is factually not allowed to be written in a way that would make him "grow" as a character, he has to be presented as completely static start to finish. This same attitude applies to the other Sega-made characters too, but it's a problem for Sonic because he's often the source of plot or conflict.
Not that anon but Flynn's run would've probably still benefitted from being a cleaner break and not being as burdened by having to include the SatAM/Archie lore and characters. I think it kinda sucks that he spent a lot of the deep pulls like Battlekukkus stuff on Archie because now IDW can't use it as freely and it desperately needs those additional antagonists.
sorry buddy those birds are classic only
But enough about archie's shitty ocs.
>OCs
Created by SEGA
of America, the same morons who came up with "robotnick"
Eggman having a realistic name and Eggman being just a Nickname was a good idea.
Not in Iizuka's mind
>"No, ARRAYS EGGMAN! Sturrpid gaijin!"
Anyone else thought Surge was going to leave him?
I thought Surge would keep him around forever and ever because Kit was the only person who she could relate with and because he was useful to her anyway.
The IDW gay in this thred accuses everyone else of being homosexuals while acting like a humongous homosexual himself.
>/sthg/ schizo annihilates yet another threaf
...Y'know what? Im jsut goin to go read Made In Abyss instead. I have no interest in seein yet another thread reach 500+ posts because the schizo is unhinged and samegays to bump limit.
>Issue 52 says Surge is going to get a powerup
What kind of powerup could she possibly get that would put her even close enough to having an actually good fight with sonic? He was barely even trying with her.
>inb4 she won't
It's obvious she's going to have a rematch, and it's obvious she's not going to crumble so easily on the next one. That's just basic storytelling.
>fight Sonic
no she's fighting the other OCs as Sonic will be absent for another arc
For frick's sake, how much more of Tangle, Whisper, and the stupid fricking puppet do we need? They're such boring characters.
you don't want them? fine you'll get more Zeti instead
Fine by me, they'd still be better than the crying puppet.
That's fine, but I'd like for the Sonic comics to focus on canon characters like Sonic or Tails for a while instead of a bunch of whiny lesbian OCs.
Anon, the FF will never return, deal with it.
If you want to hate someone, hate Penders for that.
At this point Evan is just dead set on "fixing" Belle until people like her, and I don't see that happening. It is fun to watch her fail though.
Whisper just inherantly doesn't work as a Sonic character, being a Metal Gear Solid expy, so it really leaves you wondering what kind of hoops they need to jump through to keep her in the comic. Now that they're legitimately TRYING to queer-code her with Tangle, just dropping her isn't an option.
Tangle I don't mind as much, she's just kind of annoying.
Christ, they should've limited the OCs to Starline, Surge, Kit, and maybe Tangle. Now there's like seven of them bloating an already-bloated cast.
Tangle was introduced to be a stand-in for Sonic because of the restrictions involved with writing him. Whisper was... I don't know why Whisper was introduced, presumably Ian thought his MGS crossover fanfiction would be seen as cool.
That's not being sarcastic either, the Diamond Cutters are intentional Metal Gear Solid ripoffs.
>Whisper was... I don't know why Whisper was introduced
She is supposed to do all the crying that Sonic is never allowed to do.
>Tangle was introduced to be a stand-in for Sonic because of the restrictions involved with writing him.
And which hole did this new information come from?
New? This information is ancient. Where've you been?
Yes, but she's obviously going to fight him again.
That’s an exaggeration. Sonic and Surge’s fight was more dynamic than Sonic’s fights with literally any character beforehand, including Shadow and Metal. Just cause they took turns letting eachother make their speeches doesn’t mean neither were trying - they had an entire superspeed punchupfest qhere they were equally matched, and the fight only came to a close because Surge was accidentally knocked off a ledge
Sonic was literally just talking about how he was having fun while Surge was on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
Because Surge has an emotional stake in this fight, not because she’s upset at losing. What the frick are you on?
How is that not a sign that she was losing? Sonic was literally taking it casually while she was one chilli dog joke away from outright crying.
Because Surge was upset Sonic had ruined her life, while Sonic’s life was just fine and he said he doesn’t care if his actions hurt others.
Are you dense or something? Sonic acts that way in every boss fight in the series - it’s his personality and that’s her personality because of their different circumstances
Yes, but how is that not a sign that she's losing? If one side is casually joking and making fun of the other while the other is nearly having a breakdown, it's obvious one side is winning.
Anon, you are autistic. Get help.
Noone would ever casually joke and banter with the person who ruined their life forever. Surge hates him, which is why she’s not being nice to him.
Christ, it’s having to explain basic human interactions to a spastic.
Are you mentally impaired?
>hurr durr but she hates him!!
Yes. Everyone understands she hates him. That was never not the question. But, maybe you don't know this because this is the first fight you've ever seen in media, ever, but, if ONE SIDE is joking and making fun while the other is nearly crying, then the side that is crying is, extremely obviously, not winning.
Surge lost. Surge did not even do any damage to Sonic. In the meantime, she literally only survives this becasue she's a functional zombie.
>Because Surge was upset Sonic had ruined her life
This makes Surge sound straight up damaged. Starline did this shit to her, she shouldn't even bother with Sonic.
If they presented it as her programming fricking with her head then I could buy it, but no they're intentionally presenting her as wanting to hate Sonic because she blames him for people like Starline and Eggman, and it feels like that writing can't actually go anywhere because Sonic's not allowed to grow as a character.
This writing is just plain bad.
She was Mentally Programed and Groomed, All she has in the head is kill Sonic, and she is convinced that if she does he problems will be over.
Except she already knows that all of this is programmed and she has no actual reason to hate Sonic, but she's embracing it nonetheless.
Surge really should have fought Sonic at least two or three times before this.
She knows that her hatred for Sonic was programmed into her. But she then realizes that she was put into this situation because of Starline, who concocted this whole scheme because of Eggman, and he's still active because Sonic keeps letting him go. So she has a shitlist and the doctors are at the top of it for her. She blames Sonic but also shows she wants him to join her crusade in killing Eggman and Starline, to rectify his mistakes and role in all of this. He declines and he's back on the list. She's Jason Todd, asking Sonic why he doesn't kill Eggman.
> She's Jason Todd, asking Sonic why he doesn't kill Eggman.
All that's left is for Sonic to kill her so she doesn't get finish Eggman, just like a hero would.
>Surge is Jason Todd
That's frighteningly accurate, and depressing.
I want Surge to Become Yandere for Sonic After he beats her.
>After
I'd say she's there already.
She took her problem and made it worse by wanting to kill everything. She took it upon herself to be a villain with her own motives that extend beyond what Starline implanted in her.
That said I don't think she can ultimately resist hating Sonic. Kit was able to simmer down entirely because of Tails until he learned that Surge would be in trouble next and just couldn't allow that.
>If they presented it as her programming fricking with her head
That's exactly what is happening. It's evident in how Surge is literally looking for excuses that justify how she feels.
I think that she was making up new things to justify killing Sonic was indicating she was mentally damaged. Especially considering how her line of logic ends in an admission she doesnt want to be alive.
>they were equally matched
Hah, no.
She made him sweat, but Sonic wasn't giving Surge an honest fight. Making Sonic have to put an honest effort in would mean Surge would be on equal footing with Shadow, and that just can't happen.
>but Sonic wasn't giving Surge an honest fight
Got any actual panels to back this up? The entire fight sequence seemed pretty honest to me. Not sure what point you’re trying to get out of bringing up Shadow, neither
Every panel has Sonic looking like he's just toying with Surge, he only looks unnerved while talking to her.
As for your second deal, Shadow's "Ultimate Lifeform" schtick establishes he has to be kept in the higher percentile of power tiers, and some third-rate science fair experiment like Surge being potentially better than him or even on the same level would never stand.
Wow, almost like that’s Sonic’s trademark personality in every fight across the series.
And Shadow is called “the ultimate lifeform” because he doesn’t age, not because he’s “duh stwongest most powerfurr furry evva!” They explain it in the manuals and they explain it in the president’s report. Remember this is the same “ultimate lifeform” that’s before gotten beaten up by a squatter echidna, an 8-year old fox, a israeliteelthief bat, a random copy of Gamma in Sonic Battle, Metal Sonic, and multiple other characters. “Ultimate lifeform” is not intended as an indicator for your powerlevel autism, it’s a Shoujo manga reference to a character that reincarnates after dying
>Surge would be on equal footing with Shadow
Shadow would frick her up so badly. Like both mentally as well as physically.
>You're the reason I was made!
>I doubt it. Anything made to replace me would never be so weak and pathetic! Time to put you out of your misery!
And then he loses because he was too confident.
Have you gays even SEEN IDW Shadow? Surge would bend him over and peg him until he was left whimpering in a puddle of his own tears and piss.
He literally mind broken infinite into transitioning.
Thats nice. IDW Shadow is an overly confident jerk who keeps losing because he's too wienery. So sayeth Sega.
If I recall isn't infinite origin the same in IDW and Forces?
Probably. Why?
Based on power scaling infinite is much stronger than surge
Doesn't matter. Sega demands that IDW Shadow be written like Vegeta and constantly job.
Nice headcanon, shadow never jobs.
Go read the Metal Virus arc. And his fight with Metal Sonic right afterwards.
Surge seems to be in a really weird place thanks to Starline's training; she's basically designed to either win instantly by shredding something the instant she hits it or losing pretty much instantly.
The latter doesn't matter much for her physically because she'll just regenerate but it does seem to mean that she instantly gets bored and loses focus the second a fight doesn't go as she expects. That puts her at a massive disadvantage to Sonic; sure, if he stood there and let her punch him right in the face, she'd take his head clean off, but he won't and she starts to lock up mentally.
Not really. It was just dynamically drawn.
She's going to fight Whisper IIRC, not Sonic.
As for the powerup, she probably finds some new mcguffin or somehow comes across the Chaos Emeralds, though the latter is a 1 in a million chance.
>they had an entire superspeed punchupfest qhere they were equally matched
Not at all. She gave him a workout, sure, but he's clearly way out of her league. Every other action shot is of Sonic punching her lights in, the only strong hit she got was right at the start when she took him by surprise.
And even outside of physically getting beat, Surge was clearly losing the mental fight. As other anons have pointed out, Sonic didn't care much while she was on the verge of tears half the time.
I feel overall let down by her.
I was expecting her to actually DO shit before she discovered she wasn't what she thought she was, I was expecting her to actually betray Starline to show him the folly of his ways that would leave him feeling humiliated, instead everything we've seen feels like an abridged storyline with virtually no weight to it and someone who's mad at the world in a very disengenuous manner.
Surge is a disappointment, all the hype has been purely fan generated.
You're expecting way too much from IDW-Sonic.
I would rather have a Sonic rival starting as an underdog for once rather than pretending to be hot shit just to turn into an eternal jobber like Shadow, Metal, Silver and Scourge.
I have been thinking on how future arcs will go of they ever introduce humans or GUN, maybe a shadow redeption arc?, or a backstory on how they dealt with the virus
I'd like to know how the humans did during Sonic Forces and Metal Virus. The times when Eggman was apparently screwing over the entire world. What are the chances that he was only harassing little furry animals and GUN was just watching from afar and not doing anything because Eggman wasn't bothering the humans?
I still like Scourge better.
I found him pretty lazy.
Sonic is fricking lucky Nack is stuck in the classic era. He'd have smacked the blue boy around before Surge would've had a chance to finish her pity speech.
Who the frick is Nack? Is he the fat blob thing standing with Fang that vaguely resembles Eggman?
If I hadnt actually read IDW during that storytime I would be hating this Lemur that moron keeps spamming.
So are Tangle and Whisper going to be like Fleetway Amy and Techno where they're spun off to do their own unrelated shit here and there?
The one with the mask (don't remember which) is going to get her face kicked in by Surge in issue 52, so probably not
53 actually.
Surge will become the Fear in this issue.
I'm willing to bet money this is going to be nowhere near as cool as this cover makes it look. IDW covers are borderline false advertising at times. Which is a comic staple but still.
Logically, how could a fight between Whisper and Surge go? I know Whisper has wisps but I don't know how effective they could make her against Surge, especially an empowered Surge.
That depends on how big her powerup is. If we're going from a storytelling perspective, though, it's more likely Surge is going to beat the everloving frick out of whisper to make her seem like a real threat.
If the writing is bad, it will probably have Tangle trying to stop those two from killing eachother.
odds are Tangle's not in these issues, nothing's said she's managed to track Whisper down yet.
I'm assuming Tangle will be there too or show up to save Whisper. Maybe a quick scuffle and game of cat and mouse before Tangle appears and Surge leaves. Issue ends with Surge leaving. I remember that last Chaotix issue and how disconnected it was and can't shake the feeling it'll be that all over again.
...I can't imagine how Tangle of all characters could fight off Surge.
Shes not going to fight. She will definitely try to calm her down, befriend her or something.
And Surge will say frick it and try to bash her head.
Correction, she's going to fry her. The issue shows she's went full electric. Honestly looks cool, but i fear they'll just waste the transformation and turn her into a jobber.
It's like I'm really reading Steven Universe.
I can see it go badly in a fight but Tangle is very talkative and might say something to change Surge's mood, making her cut the fight short.
>"Come on, I know someone who can help you, his name is Sonic.."
>"Gets electrocuted"
That is also very likely to happen.
She will capture her inside of a bottle for a joke's sake and she will be forgotten there, still into her lighting form.
Most likely ducking, hiding, and decoying while taking range shots for chip damage. I honestly think Shadow is going to conveniently show up, he hasn't been seen since the White Park incident.
What kinda frickin' power even is that? Has she turned into some kind of fricking God Eneru-style Lightningwoman?
Someone at IDW is probably a fan of Killua.
How should we know?
They're getting another mini soon, so probably.
Will they go to different planets and universes?
>JOBge the trainwreck
No. Sonic raped her.
Metapfhornically talking, I assume.
Am i the only one who likes seeing Surge and Kitsunami together? I think they're a nice duo. I hope they don't get split apart because of muh redemption.
We haven't seen enough of them to really gauge how they work seperately, clearly they're not good enough on their own in a fight.
Same, those two are a duo. They're pretty much the only two characters in the series that understand eachother's deal and want the same resolution.
Killing one or the other just doesn't add anything. In a previous thread people were banking on Surge dying being something that could bring Kit closure, but I doubt it's that simple. They're both thoroughly brainwashed into having triggers like sleeper agents. In that hypothetical scenario Kit wouldn't miraculously get better. He's conditioned to be loyal to Surge, he's not a battered boyfriend.
Every girlboss needs a dick to flatten
Surge strikes me more as a pegging type.
Kind of funny they were set up like a pair, took down Metal together, and then they specifically split up and fought Sonic and Tails separately. I know Sonic and Tails together would be just as bad for them if not worse but what was the point in all the teamwork building if the goal was for them to fight solo?
Besides Eggman, has any character ever challenged Sonic these past decade?
I hate this shitty character because what Flynn is doing is wasting everyone's time. No. Sonic will NOT kill Eggman because Surge criticized his code. No Sonic will NOT kill the Deadly Six. No Sonic will NOT kill Starline either.
Sonic will not kill because Sega has rules and those rules makes Flynn's tantrum worthless. It's all going to be a worthless aimless meandering trash mess. Sega will never tolerate the idea of such drastic changes where Sonic slays his enemies. And having a character calling all this out? It only ensures we see this entire mess of a comic as stagnant by default.
The worst part? The whole pacifism and don't kill your enemies trash? It also applies to Comic Original Characters like how Whisper was not allowed to kill that squid serial killer who murdered her friends. So what reason is there to read this shit comic? Every single good guy is basically restrained, censored, and blocked from doing what they can to save the innocent so they are FORCED to be wuss cucks.
This comic is shit. The sooner it's canceled the better. I hope Evans introduces more Leftist agendas to hurt sales and hopefully the comic is canceled because as it is? It's not even worth pirating.
Literally half this board is about kids cartoons where you know the main characters and main bad guy aren't gonna die, they can still be entertaining and have interesting conflicts about how the characters relate to each other. I know people died in Archie because it was the wild west and no one was checking up on them but you are asking too much of a kids adventure comic. You can still have interesting material and stakes without people getting killed.
Even Walt Disney had a policy when making his animated films for kids and his policy was Evil MUST Be Punished. Sure it didn't always happen like in Cinderella and often Walt Disney relied on the villains killing themselves somehow, rarely did you see the heroes intentionally killing the villains like in Sleeping Beauty.
But the point is at least Disney tried to continue this mentality that a criminal and villain must pay for their evil deeds. Sega on the other hand is just shit. They really are shit. Even their older franchises Yakuza is shit, Yakuza is the story of Kiryu a member of the Yakuza criminal underworld who NEVER kills. What kind of shit writing is this? This isn't about Sonic, it's that Sega has a repulsive insulting theme, moral, and message for all their properties. I'm glad Sega's Shinobi series is dead because I don't want to see Shinobi become the story of Ninjas Who Do NOT Kill.
Frick Sega and their censored family friendly shit as it poisons all of their properties. The sooner Sega dies the better. Apologies for the rant but Sega pisses me off because it's not just Sonic that's negatively impacted.
>But the point is at least Disney tried to continue this mentality that a criminal and villain must pay for their evil deeds.
WHAT? Every single Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck villain is still alive and well, several of them are actually dangerous individuals that even tried and even outright killed people.
Disney Classics movies. Pete and the like are more akin to actors than actual evil villains.
This. In the Mickey Universe the characters are actors. For goodness sake Pete in the recent Mickey Mouse shorts willingly helped Mickey's friends to celebrate Mickey's birthday by making a gigantic cake.
In the Mickey universe the characters are actors and even then they never do as many hideous things as what you would expect like the theatrical villains like Scar.
>Pete
I'm talking about Phantom Blot who unlike Pete is a literal supervillain killing people and trying to take over the world, he's active ever since 1939
In the Yakuza games the villains die without Kiryu killing them specifically. When you make enemies in the criminal underworld, there's more than one person who's gonna try to kill you. It gives Kiryu a morality a lot of his enemies don't have. It's hard to make a criminal more heroic than other criminals while having them kill
Your entire comment is "why ins't the villain right and the hero agreeing with him"
You're asking for MCU overused formula where a villain bring a basic social problem but go full moron and in the end the hero end up doing whatever the villain wanted but in the "right way"
Look man I don't mind heroes not killing their enemies but I have one simple demand, do NOT make your villains deserving of the death penalty. If I were Sega I would redesign Sonic and all the characters to make it clear it's an new universe and in this one Eggman is a comedic bumbling dumb stupid oaf. As for the old universe to close it off I would have Eggman finally killed off to give closure to that universe's storyline because the Eggman born from Sonic Adventure until now? He definitively deserves to fricking die and I'm tired of idiots pretending that anyone would ever forgive this pile of evil shit.
Yeah. Now Boom Eggman. Killing him would make YOU a monster, no debates about that.
I actually liked the idea of Eggman being a literal comedic Frenemy of Sonic similar to Team Rocket. Yes he's a villain, but we know he does it because it's a hobby. He even joined a villains club to see if his evil lair is worthy of winning the spot on a magazine. That shit is funny. I also liked that the redesigned Eggman to emphasize this Eggman is silly and not the evil psycho from the comics or video games.
Nice theory, but his inconsistency is more a product of incompetent writing than anything else. Other characters have gotten the shaft personality-wise just as hard as him, it's just that he's the sole character where the lore states there's a bunch of clones of stashed away somewhere.
I want to suck on her feet while gut-deep inside her, embarrassing her
>wanting to suck on blobs
version of her with toes.
Kit plays with Surge's toes
kit can watch.
Surge was done an incredible disservice by Starline's most recent reset.
She was previously internally questioning her hatred of Sonic, asking why she feels the way she feels and starting to break that down. But before she really got to that point again, she found out about everything.
Now instead of working it through herself she's fully fallen into an emotional downwards spiral, she no longer cares to push back at her feelings and is instead content to embrace them with any excuse she can find.
What the frick happened to sonic comic threads? What is this console war homosexualry?
We ran out of comics.
Seriously, this thread is sorely lacking in Surge cutes/lewds.
these threads in general seem to always go down into insanity, and i've noticed this since last year
probably could just be because its sonic, or because of /sthg/ being insane, or both.
It's because the Ride started with Archie and reminded everyone how awful it truly was, and those who weren't convinced got violent, then it turned into one big ongoing shitflinging session.
The true hero of Archie, nay, all Sonic comics.
What's insane about these thread? Like have you seen Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile? They will derail threads by talking about trans or blacks.
>They will derail threads by talking about trans or blacks.
Cinemaphile does the exact same thing.
Yeah, but it don't happen as much and never happen in sonic threads.
IT SHOULD BE ME I SHOULD BE IN KNEE DEEP IN TENNEC WOMB
He was never quite the same after she shocked him with a finger in the butt, first metaphorically and then literally.
Yes, I love her so much I want to see her get bullied for an entire arc, I love bullying Surge's ass.
Can do!
Thanks anon have a Lewd Surge.
Nice, I like the predatory look in her eyes. Very in-character.
Isn't Surge supposed to be a gremlin compared to other characters?
So would it have been better or worse if Ian had his way and Surge and Kit were completely made from scratch? Basically ripping off Androids 17 and 18
Since I have no faith that the plot about Surge being pissed at Sonic for letting Starline/Eggman live will go anywhere, it would probably have been better if they were made from scratch.
If nothing else, it'd get rid of some of the endless buildup.
Every time I read about this original plan for them, I think of this scene redone with Surge and Kit.
The saddest thing is that "Benedict" there is about the only Penders echidna that wasn't a fricking recolor.
Maybe that's how they could tell he was a robot.
They became like Android 17 and 18 AFTER his original plan was scrapped. Dragonball used Androids and Cyborgs as if they were the same thing, 17 and 18 were humans that got turned into cyborgs.
>Sonurge
Boring attempt at "muh subversion"
Is there any Kitsurge art? Not femdom garbage. I just think that the later issues where she's actually appreciative of him are cute.
Not really, no.
I had several ideas for it since it does sound nice in theory, but whenever I tried bringing it up with other Sonic artists, I was met with total disinterest each time.
Guys, don't stick your dick in crazy.
Shut the FRICK up Boco.
Surge literally did nothing wrong and is right about Sonic.
Someone needs to tell JJJ what happened to her. He's gonna have a field day writing a scathing anti-Sonic editorial.
She should just join Team Eggdaddy so he can finally make the world a better place. I'd gladly become a robot for the good doctor.
Shut up, Thunderbolt.
The Virgin Furry Lover vs The Chad Human Supremacist
By this logic, AOSTH-Robotnik should be as strong as Hercules.
Eggman has always been strong in the comics, Anon. I wish they'd lean into it more though. Watching him thrash Starline was nice though.
This and starline demise has shown how easy is to pick up a sonic character and slam it really hard against the wall, just imagine
>That one time Zavok wrecked Tangle
Shouldn't Sonic still be fast enough to beat him? Speedsters are kinda busted
Immovable object vs Pretty fast object. Fragile like b***h Sonic will break himself against a Chad like Eggman.
I've always known about the Sonic comics but never read them. Finally read the IDW comics and I enjoyed them! Even if they got a little too... weird(?) for my tastes. Wasn't too big on the metal virus arc.
Never really thought about Sonic having any sort of canon, like with the Mario games I just saw them as Sonic Team taking the characters and putting them into whatever janky mess they want to make this time. Although with Ian writing Frontiers (or I guess on the team at least), that could change for the better I hope?
Surge is cool by the way but I don't really care much about the original characters. I do think Whisper is cute though.
Well glad you enjoy them.
Thanks anon
I've only gotten glimpses of those and they're just crazy to me. Nevermind the story being bonkers, but the art changing every issue for the Archie comics I believe was just really offputting. Thankfully this was a much easier read.
Ah yeah I can totally see that, it really did overstay its welcome. For me Sonic is kinda stuck in his late 90s to 2005 characterization, so just seeing a kinda poorly adapted zombie story with Sonic was hard to read. Not painful, but I'm glad we're past it. I'll definetly have Ian write for the games since he at least shows some restraint.
I think for me Sonic X has some of Sonic's best stories, but if the new stories have to bring OCs to the mix to get somewhere new I guess I can overlook them taking most of the screentime.
Never realised the continuity stuff though, i should check that out!
Wow. I didn't know it was this bad. I'm shocked, but also not really shocked, that SEGA let crap like that slide for years. Thanks anon.
>Wow. I didn't know it was this bad. I'm shocked, but also not really shocked, that SEGA let crap like that slide for years. Thanks anon.
I wouldn't take that anon's interpretation that seriously. It's not perfect and definitely has flaws, even with Ian's run but you might have noticed that there's an anon and tripgay that go out of their way to shit on it. Most of the problems come from the dark ages which is tied to one writer in particular. Everything else is subjective.
DON'T INVOKE HIS NAME!!!
>Even if they got a little too... weird(?) for my tastes.
And IDW is incredibly tame compared to Archie and Fleetway. It's probably the best introduction to Sonic comics.
To be fair, Archie and Fleetway are fricking bonkers.
Some highlights to spoonfeed
:
>Sonic's most consistent qualities pre-reboot were his rudeness and insistence on dating other characters
>There was a not-so-subtle push to have him hook up with Sally pre-reboot
>Titan Tails. Look it up
>In an alternate future Shadow becomes the king and basically turns into Hitler
>There's a character called Dulcy the Dragon that's clumsy, the comic explains said clumsiness as the result of her getting her shit kicked in constantly by her abusive boyfriend
>Charmy Bee isn't a kid, he's a teenager with brain damage that makes him act like a 6 year-old with ADHD
>His friend ate a laced hotdog and died of an overdose
>Sonic cucks Tails
>Knuckles is a radioactive mutant, he was quite literally microwaved as an egg because his father had a schizophrenic dream that told him his child needed to be strong
>So many fricking Megaman crossovers, one of which, IIRC, is supposed to be canon
>TFW The Chaotix in Archie has enough emotional baggage & frickery to make some X-Men teams blush
Also you forgot Charmy's people were killed by Eggman.
Oh frick yeah. But that doesn't top Penders editing a fricking Holocaust poem to make it about fricking furries
Isn't Vector the only one without any baggage aside from hiding his Aussie/Downunda accent for reasons I don't remember?
He's still dealing with his crippling porn addiction
There was something Implying he had a not so great backstory with The Downunda Freedom Fighters. But then the reboot happened.
Glad you enjoyed the ride, anon. You're not alone in your opinion regarding the Metal Virus Arc. It's an easy read today, but back when it was the current arc it overstayed its welcome very quickly (at that time it easily ammounted to 2/3 of the published issues).
Ian's kind of a moron, not exactly the best writer out there, but he ain't satan, either. I'm cautiously optimistic for Frontiers, if not for the fact I'm more than ready for literally anyone but Pontac writing for the games.
Sonic as a franchise does have some continuity, in theory. Everyone always seems to take it in wildly different directions, though, not even SoJ's continuity and characterizations have stayed consistent. Just pick whatever you think fits the series best and enjoy.
Reminder that Eggman is the actual protagonist and his victory is inevitable.
There's not much choice.
I'VE FINALLY DONE IT
WHAT'LL IT BE?
Fell into a pit and ended up in a FUB doujin. What a shame.
Anybody have that picture of Surge and Kit waiting with a sign saying "free chilidogs"? Thought I had it but I don't.
I kinda want to see her in reverse bunny suit.
Okay thread's on autosage, everybody go home.
Is it?