if Batman is so commited to Justice, how come he keeps falling in love with evil prostitutes?
if Batman is so commited to Justice, how come he keeps falling in love with evil whores?
if Batman is so commited to Justice, how come he keeps falling in love with evil prostitutes?
Talia wasn't actually evil when they first met.
Yeah she was more of a nice woman who's father was a villain. Then she got into the family business and got Batman drunk so she could have a baby.
Batman: "I can fix her."
The real question here is why Batman doesn't use magic. He totally could, he has all the background and potential to be a really powerful magic user.
Because magic is gay as hell
Abra Rapejokerdabra!
I will never understand these jokes. When did he rape anyone?? Second question: superhero comics have rape in them?
The Killing Joke had Barbara shot, undressed, photographed and POSSIBLY raped by the Joker in an attempt to get Jim to go crazy like him.
So how does that translate to Gordon being a raper?
I cannot give you the full logical chain of custody but the meme is clearly a reactionary response to the Killing Joke movie adaptation. Where the aformentioned torture of both Gordons happens. Then when Jim is rescued he yells at Batman to bring the Joker in "by the book.". Showing that the philosophical point pushed by the Joker throughout: that everyone is just one bad day away from going crazy was wrong.
The context lost is that this is a reaction to specifically that scene. A revision so that instead of Gordon taking the high road: he'd tell Batman to rape the Joker instead. Maybe the original point that since rape is apparently a life-changing event it could 'fix' the Joker, mayber there was not point except the Lulz.
I'm pretty sure the meme's older than the Killing Joke adaptation
>I'm pretty sure the meme's older than the Killing Joke adaptation
>adaptation
Be honest, you had to go back and add that word right before you hit post.
homosexual, even if no one here reads comics, everyone knows about The Killing Joke. The original.
I can't find evidence of that phrase being used on Cinemaphile before 2016. https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/gordon%2Bjoker%2Brape/page/37/
Every hit before this post on Apr 19th 2016 https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/81996528/#81996629 I can find is actually debating whether or not the Joker would want to in general, or in this specific case would rape Barbara because it doesn't align with the goal or his personality that week. Maybe it was uttered in a different phrasing in some place earlier but it's clearly where it took off since the 3 pages after this cover 4 years of post history - less than 1 page per year, and the 37 are everything since 2016 or around 5 pages per year.
I think jimbo may have been raped too by the joker's goonies, or at the very least badtouched as Batman finds him naked and bound. What is kore emasculating, morr mentally damaging, more jokercrimespreeending than male on male sodomy? Conversively, don't drop the soap might work better as prevention than deterrent.
>Second question: superhero comics have rape in them?
you ask that in the fricking Zatanna/Batman thread?
are you absolutely clueless or just being a disingenuous homosexual or purpose?
Im a sandwich artist, so yes.
Look up "Identity Crisis".
Why? I just wanted to learn about Batman
in Identity Crisis I believe it was called Dr. Light used his powers to break into the Watchtower and violently raped Elongated Man's wife
some of the leaguers wanted to kill him, batman and a couple other heroes got very angry at the prospect
to stop the Justice League from imploding Zatanna mind wiped the league about the rape and used magic to lobotomize him because she couldn't go through with killing him
anyway that's how he became the goofy mostly harmless Teen Titans villain
Batman eventually found out and got pretty butthurt at Zatanna and became even more paranoid about superpower havers
I don't think they ever discussed killing him. Hawkman suggested they mess with Light's mind to make him less vile, a lot of the leaguers objected, then they put it to a vote. The ones voting to lobotmize him won, so they went through with it, but Batman walked in on it while they were at it and kicked up a fuss, so Zatanna wiped his memory of the incident.
Don't forget that the story showed Bruce being perfectly okay with erasing memories when it was his identity on the line. Or that he sends his villains to an insane asylum so they can be psychologically altered.
Both of you are forgetting that is not "the whole league" they are literally 8 people ElongatedMan, Arrow, Zatanna, Black Canary, The Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman and Batman, as soon as Dr. Light was held down by them and they were preparing to take him back Batman had to answer Jim Gordon and left the scene, according to Arrow both Superman and Batman used to do that, "leave the cleaning" to the others due to their busy agendas. So they decided to make Light forget, but also to make him stupid, you can't blame them Light was literally showing off how he raped her and even Elongated said that they have never seen someone acting that crazy not even in Arkham (I beg to differ but the idea is that the man was out of his mind, he had found a victim he wanted to repeatedly rape).
Thing is the vote about ruining Light's mind divided them already enough, but then came Batman...
That last part, you will have to share a page or something, I don't really remember well
I doubt Batman had any issue with them wiping Light's memories, he came back because he did care about Sue, Elongated's wife, I can even imagine him suggesting the wiping or placing him in a different place where noone can see him for a really, really long time, but he would never agree to them destroying Light's mind or at least not without troubles, so they decided to wipe Bruce's memories of the scene, thing is Batman had trained his mind for different things and even if Zatanna did a good job he knew something was off, and there are many instances where those involved make it obvious that they are hiding something and he knows, even Superman knows, they speak about it in Identity Crisis as well.
But yeah, going to the topic at hand brought by OP, this is one of the main reasons Zatanna and Bruce have troubles being in good terms afterwards, he knows she did something to him or his memories, they more or less work it out and become friends again and even the whole spark of love is still there but both push it away inside them because they know they can't.
So would Batman have just sent the dude back down to Earth, have the courts take care of him, and when Light inevitably escapes prison and goes after Sue just hope to catch him before he can rape again?
pretty much
We don't really know because they had already done something about it when he was back, we also don't know what is Batman's procedure when rape happens, the Killing Joke has Joker showing Jim pictures of Barbara naked and probably some blood due to him shooting her moments before, but that's it there was never really any implication of him raping her, we see Barbara telling Batman that she saw Joker a lot crazier than usual but rape doesn't fall into the way that particular Joker works.
IB4 someone shows the picture of that one time we saw Joker talking with some guy after raping his wife as a way to "get back on him", the idea tied up with the whole three Jokers plot that came years later.
Also, worth noting you seem to imply that what the other guys choose to do solved things, but just so you know Light is shown raping again later on when he remembers and is even shown "practicing" with some women he dressed up like the Teen Titans, if memory serves well there was one like Donna, Raven and one like Starfire, it is implied he has been doing it for a while, and before anyone says he was only "about to" the girls are both scared and with their clothes torn in every erogenous zone.
>we also don't know what is Batman's procedure when rape happens
Mad Hatter has raped at least a dozen little blonde children and in DKR Joker raped Catwoman (and another woman + possibly Jason), went to jail, then 10 years later busted out and raped her again. Also in other stories like Azzarello when Joker rapes people Batman is fine with it. Joker has also trafficked child prostitutes in canon and Batman only arrested a child trafficking ring at one point.
>in DKR Joker raped Catwoman (and another woman + possibly Jason)
I don't remember that
It’s implied.
That looks like a Google doc that your screenshot and cropped
So does calling Miller “Frank” now that you mention it…
It’s from the book’s trivia page on TV Tropes.
sounds made-up
>”aside the hint”
They referenced it in a later book.
Instead of crowbarring Dkr Jason, he gets his thugs to knock him out, then the ending shot is Joker sitting next to a fireplace and a bearskin rug saying they’re gonna have so much fun together.
Note that dkr Joker’s modus operandi is raping his victims. That woman in all star, Catwoman twice, that woman on the talkshow when he says man must never hold back their sexual instincts. Etc
I hope this is trolling
Dark Knight Returns: The Last Crusade
Two things to note
Azzarello likely ghostwrote this from Miller's idea(at least from what we've gathered how they made these new TDK works)
they basically go with the Jim Starlin idea of Jason as a headstrong, scrappy kid instead of the more wholesome and capable pre-crisis Jason he should be.
I don't understand how joker has been so overtly homosexual for bats since the 80s yet they've done nothing with it since. Feels like there's fun to be had exploring that angle again.
>fun to be had exploring that angle again
in 2023? Best I can do is mpreg Joker
Degeneracy aside, how would he respond to having a child?
he'd probably eat it
I don't know why I laughed as hard as I did at this
you sicko!
“But Joker…YOU were the father!”
“Kill me Bruce, please.”
>Joker is doing all this depraved, horrific shit to see what it takes to have Batman kill him
>The day he skins a child live on television and Batman still just sent him to Arkham is the day Joker realized that Batman truly doesn’t want to stop him.
I just find edgelord joker shitty as frick. Nothing against alternative versions of him being more edgy. But come on man. How the frick is that character fun if he fricking boils babies and feeds them to people.
It it even in character? Thats not even chaos or anarchy or something. Its just fricking moronic and comes off like he gets a boner from it.
Just return Professor Pyg and let him do it.
Isn't that Joker just literally trolling and baiting?
Yeah you're right on one hand, but on the other hand that's the point where even Batman wouldn't be as fricking moronic as letting him get away. If Batman was there, he'd have lost it. On the other hand, it might also be a lie? But I doubt the writers are that smart.
Thats just one step away from turning Joker into like... a fricking serial rapist or some shit.
Batman is fricking moronic though.
Hitman #1 mentioned that Joker regulary gasses kindergartens, wemre way past that point. Joker’s just trying everything in his power now to make Bruce kill him but nothing works
What issue is this from? I'm on team joker doesn't kill babies or intentionally target protected classes because he doesn't find it funny. And his killings are largely incidental (I still don't like he blew up a middle school that one time)
That’s also the reason Dark Knight Joker was the original “gay and erotic for Bruce” Joker. Not cause they’re two sides of the same coin, because he’s meant to be a sick possibly gay pervert who wants to sexually assault Batman
“NOOOOOOOOOOOOO IF YOU TAKE AWAY DR LIGHT’S DESIRE TO RAPE ELONGATED MAN’S WIFE AGAIN AND AGAIN EVERYTIME HE BREAKS OUT OF PRISON THEN YOU ARE JUST AS BAD AS HE IS I AM GOING TO BECOME THE BATMAN WHO RAPES SUE DIBNY!”
The Batman Who Laughs totally forced Dr Light to rape Sue Dibny to death at gunpoint
What would Batman do if someone raped Damian or worse, Alfred?
Hmm, Damian he’d wimp out like when Talia fricking killed him and he started grovelling at her feet telling her how amazing she is and how she’s so much better than he deserves (frick that story)
Alfred idk. Joker tortured Alfred once and Bruce was sad about it but didn’t care that much. Not like he bothered to save him from Bane either lol. Or when Joker defiled his corpse. I’m leaning he doesn’t care.
and that Death Metal story where Bane and Catwoman and some others beat Alfred to death and Bruce didn’t care
What? Batman activated the Alfred protocol, which then killed all the villains in a single day, then Batman put on a cybersuit that installed the alfred protocol that caused him to murder everyone else in the world, of his own volition.
DC Universe incarnation system really fricking sucks if Light is able to consistently escape and rape on a constant basis. The Leaguers didn’t go far enough, just make the man a vegetable.
How would KeatonBats have handled these guys?
>YOU WANNA BUST NUTS? LETS BUST NUTS!
Probably, but I think Elongated man at that point could kill Light the moment he enters the vicinity and it could be settled in court as self defense of others.
>Implying Batman doesn’t show up and stops Elongated Man, allowing Light to walk right into the house
>”Don’t worry I’ll stop him, but you can’t just murder a man in cold blood! You’re better than that!”
>Miss dibny is hears screaming in the background
Speaking about this, isn't it weird that Raven half possessed by her demon side takes Dr Light under her shadow a little bit after in comics they make Light a rapist? Like seriously, she is half demon, in that state she can probably see peoples secrets, feelings or sins, so it brings the question, what the frick did she do to Dr Light?
as a middle schooler who watched 2003 TT and was trying to keep up with Infinite Crisis as both came out, I remember thinking it was a weird choice. That said, TT was also my introduction to Light and I don't know him in the comics outside Infinite Crisis.
Yeah I remember a Superman issue with Zatanna about this
>I will never understand these jokes. When did he rape anyone??
It's an evolving meme.
IIRC it started with threads where Gordon asks Batman why he won't kill the Joker, but later evolved into ordering saying to rape him instead. Then to Gordon just saying he'd do it himself.
I've always been sad that I missed the rape-force thread
Crisis of infinite rape was kino
Any links?
>Second question: superhero comics have rape in them?
Yeah, some characters are rarely brought up again because of that reason, remember Felix Faust? That guy who help Hades escape his prison and Hades paid him with his ultimate knowledge? That one is also a rapist, and not even a random girl or some heroine, he rapes Black Adam's wife.
So whenever they bring him (like in Justice League Dark) I always pay attention to see if they are dropping some reference to one of those moments or something.
Makes you wonder if he did something to the Amazons!
When you think about it, raping the Joker would incapacitate him without killing him.
I'd read that Elseworlds. Bruce Wayne veering off after meeting with Zatara and getting deep into the magic side of DC. Studying with Dr. Fate, palling around with John Constantine...
Would it mean magical versions of his rogues gallery?
I could see him using a light bit of magic or knowing magic principles enough to manipulate forces or deduce a ritual. Morrison's Batman: Gothic played with it well, but I could see it working up to about Hellboy levels
One of my favorite quotes from Batman Beyond is from the episode Revenant where Terry sarcastically asks if Bruce believes in ghosts.
>Bruce Wayne: "These people believe anything they can't explain is magic."
>Terry McGinnis: "Naturally, you don't believe in that kind of thing."
>Bruce Wayne: "Of course I do. I've seen it all: Demons, witch boys, immortals, zombies. But this thing... I don't know. It just feels so... high school."
Yeah I think this is more the way to do it, full-time magic requires a lot of dedication that Batman uses for other things, so just having enough knowledge to defeat really minor magic usage and know when the real experts need to be called in for harder stuff would suffice
He could also bankroll wizard towers and sanctuaries around Gotham, cover the place in protective wards using just the right pieces of real estate and feng shui
>Hail to the Guardians of the Watchtowers of the East...
Constantine is a drunk depressed mess of a human being and he managed to learn it anyway
The same reason he doesn't use his billions of dollars and genius mind to find some other way to get superpowers. Editorial mandate.
according to batman:the knight he could but it would mean he would be stuck only doing magic.
In the DCU, you are barred from Heaven if you use Magic.
Because then he wouldn’t be Batman, and I want to read a Batman book?
Just ignoring the creative mandate and appeal of the character, how well could Bruce even use DC magic? He is not a homosexual Magi nor does he have access to something like the Helmet of Fate. He could go the Constantine route but, would Bruce be willing to go down it? There is also the question of does Bruce go full magic or does Batman (or whatever Bruce may call himself) also have some meaningful level of typical Batman skills? If he has both then it leads to a jack of all trades master of none situation.
>Would it mean magical versions of his rogues gallery?
Depends on the above - what abilities does this Batman actually have? Of his existing rogues gallery: Ra's al Ghul, Poison Ivy, Clayface, Man-Bat and Solomon Grundy each from a creative standpoint will thematically work with a Batman that is a low-level magic-user or as weaker magic/supernatural/monster rogues for one that is a middle-level magic-user. Mobsters (with the exception of perhaps Ventriloquist) and various non-powered supervillains do not have a place in the rogues gallery of a middle-level magic-using Batman and arguably not even a low-level one. It seems difficult to account for Batman's existing rogues, unless it is some Elseworld magic-dominated Earth, having magic. Perhaps the best thing is not so much give Batman actual magic that is practically reality warping but, instead make him more versed on the magic that is the occult and have him face such occult threats.
>with the exception of perhaps Ventriloquist
Ventriloquist definitely belongs in magic Batman-verse. Isn't Scarface canonically carved from the wood of the old Gallows Tree at Blackgate? That's straight up necromancy.
>Scarface
It is generally unclear whether it is supernatural or just mental illness on the part of Ventriloquist. The Ventriloquist works best when it is treated as being mental illness but, with that slither of suggestion that makes the reader question that answer. In any case, it still comes down to how magically powerful Batman is - as ultimately Ventriloquist/Scarface is just a mobster. If you make Bruce a powerful magic user (like Doctor Fate or Strange) then his rogue gallery is unworkable from either a thematic or power scale. Batman as he typically is plus with magic on someone like Constantine's level? He is also too powerful for his rogues from a creative perspective and you just have batwank. Even weak magic is often powerful. If you want something resembling Batman, Bruce with magic needs to be a low-tier magic user (thematically leaning into gothic occultism and not reality warping) and also have some of his typical Batman skills scaled-down.
I mean, sure, but this also seems like a pretty uncreative and uninteresting interpretation of the prompt. Assuming we have low-level magic Batman (Hellboy - Constantine - maybe even Indiana Jones level, I think Dr Fate / Strange is too much wankery) why can't the rogues be similarly adjusted for the setting? Case in point, I imagine Scarface could actually have the ghosts of 300+ executed criminals in him which have potentially been scheming for decades or centuries before being picked up by the Ventriloquist. I can also picture a fun, Lovecraftian Two Face inspired by Rogue Sun...
The problem with 'What if Batman but also magic?' is it easily stops resembling Batman in a meaningful way or amounts to nothing more than a cosmetic change. Occult stuff in Batman is interesting as it fits into the inherent gothic atmosphere of his setting but, it is something that Batman is not used to or particularly equipped in dealing with. If you are going to do Batman meets magic you don't want sorcerer Batman, you want detective and (nominally) nonsuperhuman/powered Batman who finds himself regularly being an occult detective and monster hunter.
What a lame excuse, they could just say he he's not a wizard because he was not born with magic potential, same reason why 99,99% of the DC universe don't use magic.
nah see magic is like drug addiction batman knows to stay the hell away
He "more or less" does? I mean how the hell do you explain that not even Superman knows how he does the whole dissapear trick?
Don't give DC any more ideas about how to make the worst superhero ever made even worse.
The real answer is that magic doesn't mesh with his character and the type of casual that likes Batman for being "gritty n realistic" will be immediately turned off by him doing flashy Doctor Strange spells.
>zatanna
>childhood friend
What?
>What?
what do you mean what?
lol Dini is obsessed.
dude is basically married to irl Zatanna
can you blame him?
He is really an unique case. He definitely adore Zatanna and Bruce relationship but he also know his limit
That’s some ugly ass art
>bubbles you
selina isn't evil
She's a crazy cat lady
yeah its great
Batman is the poster child for "I can fix them" so of course he's not going to go for the sweet and horny childhood friend. It's bad b***hes all the way and that's pretty based.
Bad b***h pussy got Bruce acting un wise
is the Zatanna route the only happy ending for Bruce?
No
Evil women are hot.
Let's talk about Identity Crisis instead. I'll start, why?
shock value
there's plenty of dead families already, not so many raped families
Dan Didio's ideal story is R-rated Superfriends.
It would explain the autistic no kill rule
How? Christians can kill.
Yeah but they’re not supposed to
If you're citing the Ten Commandments, it's null and void because remember Jesus said he has fulfilled everything the prior prophets established.
What sect, gay.
Doesn't matter, Deuteronomy is clear.
"Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead."
>practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells,
Gunna ask again what sect, and bullshit King Solomon performed some wizard shit.
>Solomon performed some wizard shit.
No he didn't
It’s amusing the Bible doesn’t state that magic is fake, just that you shouldn’t be doing it.
That's because magic is real
Probably because what the Old Testament more or less states is that you shouldn't be doing foreign magics (relative to the Hebrew people) and the Hebrews themselves had their own set of superstitions and mysticisms of that nature
Deuteronomy is israelite law and Batman isn't israeli.
Catholic or Episcopalian, gay.
Bat-ptist
At least he can justify to himself with Catwoman since she is "just" a thief.
Don't say that, you'll bring anon who'll cite the recent Batman issue. Where Selina became a crime boss who trains criminals to steal, and apparently had most of the Batfamily side with her.
It's not the first time Selina has been a crime boss, she's killed people before, and due to current stances on canon her older appearances where she's a legit supervillain are in play.
Retconning Talian into being a rapist is dumb bullshit made to destroy the perfect power couple.
I never really liked any of the Batman love interests. Selina honestly isn't that interesting and Zatanna always felt like a weird addition.
You see the problem with Damian Wayne has always been governed by three things: An accident, drama bait, and constant immaturity.
In a lack of a better words, Damian was an accident. In storyline, he was never met to be something greater. He was merely a thought brought back from Kingdom Come. Here's the thing, he was always an accident back in KC, and now. He is an unintentional being, brought forth only for drama bait, not his character development but a reaction to him.. His entire existent exists is that. `Now that's fine and dandy, the character could be something greater due to the drama he brings, but here's the thing. He's stuck in a constant state of ass whining, it's like a piece of turd stuck in your rectum that won't come out. He's an accidental poop that just won't come out, and be gone with it.
He's an accident, and keeps making accidents. It's what he's known for nowadays, like how Tim Drake is known for being gay, Dick Grayson with a large ass, Jason Todd being a loner baby, and Bruce Wayne being a loner. He's a constant accident who keeps making it, and ultimately makes him an idiot who refuses to learn by design. It's like seeing someone that tries their hardest to win but always looses at the end. Kinda pathetic really, and makes you wanna just not see the character anymore. Though, that'd probably a better fate.
Damian really should have been killed, and forgotten. He could have been the New Jason Todd to inspire Tim and Bruce to become greater characters. Instead, he's an accidental boy who whines only to please the crowd when he gets abused by other members of the DC universe. He is literally built for abuse. Is that what you want from a character? Abuse? Do Damian Wayne fans really want to see their character be in constant abuse?
What I'm saying is that Damian is a piece of turd, it's gross to look at, but you just want to see it a split second and leave. Problem is, the smell is still with you.
You soon find out that Batman is actually an evil character filled the most damaged thoughts. He’s not a hero. Scott Snyder who created TBWL said he’s Bruce’s worst nightmare manifested and come to life, and look how demonic that trash looked. Doesn’t help that Scott is a satanist. Batman is a psychopath.
Doesn’t matter he saved the multiverse you must kneel
Evil people run nations and don’t kill everyone on the spot. Doesn’t make them less evil.
Why do people still question the moronation of capeshit? The only character who is remotely likable is Prime because he could just murder the people who write this trash or bomb DC comics so this garbage can finally come to an end.
Prime called it quits on comics. He realized that fighting capeshit is just bad for the health, and left.
Best character in DC by far. Best part was him shitposting on the DC forums about his own powerlevels.
The real redpill is move to manga, it got thousands of semi independent writers with their own styles
Don't like one manga? Move to another
Don't like one Marvel comic? Well, you are fricked, every single Marvel comic is from the same team of editors and executives with the same political views and personal taste, the characters are all fully owned by the company as well and the character creators have no control over it, even the character fans can't do shit because they have so many characters they can just easily cancel one comic and focus on others like happened to Punisher.
Why doesnt batman have a daughter in canon yet? I know there's huntress but that's another timeline right? I want him to have a girl Robin. But one that actually sticks around. Also don't want Selena to be the mother. So whose stepping up?
Nobody's perfect
You can make that excuse for the worst type of people.
>I don’t care anymore
Prime was self aware enough to understand that capeshit is a poor medium. Move to manga people.
Or get a life. Go outside. Meet some girls.
move to Cinemaphile moron
Any Batman that has magic has to do something with Barbatos. Also, Batwoman must be a vampire.
I don't get it.
Reminded of that story where Bruce has that 'daughter' kidnapped by Joker.
Dark knight prince charming. It even implied the kid was joker's. I wish there was a sequel. It's the closest we've gotten to Bruce-and-Joker-sharing-a-child funny hijinks. The joker manga where he raises baby Bruce comes in close second,and is peak comedy.
>It even implied the kid was joker's.
Hence 'daughter'
It was a legit good one. And the art is beautiful.
Its like they made a non-shitty version of the Leto Joker.
>that kiss mark on the batman photo
What did Joker mean by this?
Literally an orphan. Most children from stable homes get to watch their parents interact with each other throughout their lives at different stages of mental and emotional development. Bruce's development is arrested to an absurd degree.
He probably just wants a baddie so he doesn't need to worry about some mugger stealing her pearls.
He had Alfred, dude.