If Fisk were to set up shop in Gotham, how long would it take for him to take over?
If Fisk were to set up shop in Gotham, how long would it take for him to take over?
If Fisk were to set up shop in Gotham, how long would it take for him to take over?
He'd fail. Badly.
On his best days, he's a bit better than the Penguin. Which ain't nearly enough to rule Gotham.
Who would win a mafia war between him and The Penguin?
Penguin is too much of a gangster and not someone who can play the courts. Fisk would have endless legal cases against Wayne Enterprises while becomin their biggest shareholder swallowing up its assets and draining Gotham of its wealth.
>. Fisk would have endless legal cases against Wayne Enterprises while becomin their biggest shareholder swallowing up its assets and draining Gotham of its wealth.
Bruce has outmauvered and outdone shareholder stuff like that several times, down to nuking a chunk of his own fortune just to ensure nobody with the "wrong ideas" gets access to his tech.
Of course that wouldn't make any sense story wise, since Fisk would have no reason to poke the Wayne Enterprises bear. He didn't go after Stark Industries for instance. All it would take is one visit or so from Batman and his lawyers would be walking away in handcuffs.
He'd also need to be careful not to poke Ollie and Lex. Queen Industries and LexCorp both have a presence in Gotham. Not as large as in Star City and Metropolis, but it's there.
Any poking at Queen Industries alerts Ollie, which then alerts Bruce.
Any poking at LexCorp, and there is zero hope of some upstart like Fisk outmaneuvering Lex.
Gotham has far more crime families than New York, far more super powered gangsters, and there are way too many super powered and mentally damaged freaks and barely any meta human capes compared to NYC. You think Fisk is going to be able to have sane dealings with Two-Face? Riddler? Penguin?
The Joker alone would eat him fricking alive. The closest thing Fisk has had to deal with is Green Goblin, but Norman isn't anywhere near as unhinged and unpredictable as Joker.
Fisk would be a massive fish out of water and breaking into Gotham wouldn't be worth the effort compared to just staying in New York where he's already feared and respected.
This doesn't even get into the question of Batman. It's like Fisk fighting Daredevil. Only Daredevil has several billion dollars to piss on frick you gadgets and a half dozen other Daredevils on call.
And lets be real, for what? Gotham isn't some hub for drug trade or human trafficking or counter fitting, and that's when Ra's ISN'T trying to wipe the thing off the face of the earth. What does he gain trying to rule a literal oversized insane asylum? At least New York is swarming with superheroes that constantly outdo the villains roaming about, and it's also a major source of income in addition to being a drug hub and trade hub. Tons of people with a lot of income, some of the richest people on the planet at his disposal, that's a pretty big reason to try to carve out a corner, but why's he starting a fight in the home town of a Justice League member that also is infested to the gills with maniacs with superpowers.
You think he's gonna try to fight Ivy because he wants to sell some drugs?
>Gotham has far more super powered gangsters New York
Lmao.
Bruce Wayne is the most powerful man in Gotham, so he'd be finding ways to undermine his company. People like the rogues gallery are no better than the sinister six he'd have on the payroll. He would keep Joker in line by dangling money to pursue Batman however he pleases.
>he'd keep Joker in line
And then he'll seduce the punisher, and arm wrestle superman, and win a race with the flash
The Joker only cares about Batman, and he needs money to support trying to beat him.
Joker only has one fundraising strategy and Fisk isn't going to like it. Curious what your solution is for Fisk dealing with the zombie ninja illuminati, of which Gotham has two.
Fisk's anti-punisher plot armor would probably apply to Joker too. The best he could hope for courtwise is a place in their uh... talon creation program.
>arm wrestle superman
Is this even a feat anymore ?
Raping superman isn't even a feat anymore
It is if you're Goku.
You need to understand something about Fisk.
This is the man that's set up shop in New York City. The city that gets invaded by aliens, demons, terrorist organizations, nuked by Terrigen bombs, terrorized by folks like Apocalypse, Kang, Onslaught, Knull, and has 500+ superheroes running around like Daredevil, the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, the Punisher, Moon Knight, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Doctor Strange, the Defenders, hell, the Avengers have their goddamn headquarters there.
And Fisk? He's unshaken by all of it. He controls the underworld, dang. He decides who does what and where they do it at, no matter what happens. Gotham may look worse because of the architecture, but being able to control the entire criminal underworld in a constantly chaotic city is a true feat of Kingpin because of his weight.
Don't forget: he can rule over the streets while behind bars. Sonething not even Batman would be abme to stop.
>Sonething not even Batman would be abme to stop.
That's kinda dumb. Batman would just stop his contacts on the outside.
He would cause a power vacuum and only embolden other gangs and have outsuders move in.
Yeah that's just... what he does. Batman causes power vacuum's like once every 6th issue. Taking down crime bosses is usually just a prelude to finding out someone with the powers to turn into a Dragon has set up shop in Gotham so he needs to call Nightwing to help take him down because him and Batwing(Not the plane) fought him before.
How often did Throne manage to rule from behind bars only for Batman to stop it and get him pinned with more shit, and then somehow a newer one-shot crime boss shows up only to get killed off by Red Hood? Power Vacuums that are being filled are the default state of Gotham.
>Don't forget: he can rule over the streets while behind bars. Sonething not even Batman would be abme to stop.
In fairness, most of Gotham's big names do this too. Great White Shark has done the majority of his work while sitting in Arkham FFS.
This isn't even something unique to comics. Real life crime bosses have been doing this exact same thing for as long as prisons have allowed visitation rights.
That's the thing though. Marvel NY is full of superheroes keeping its abnormal criminal populace in check.
Gotham is overrun. Fisk would just be another drop in the bucket.
And even with ALL these heroes around him - and all of them know he's always in mafia stuff - he still is able to govern his empire.
But that's not as impressive as it sounds because it just means he has less competition.
NY's criminal underworld is mostly groups like the Maggia, who are crime families like Sionis and Maroni whom Batman basically outgrew because they were small time next to the likes of the Penguin.
>There is a hundred capes in this city
>All of them know Fisk is involved in illegal stuff
>Fisk is still able to walk free 99% of the time
>But you know, it's not that impressive
Jesus, batgays are really the worse.
>>All of them know Fisk is involved in illegal stuff
Yes and all of them are goody two-shoes who want to have him arrested and tried instead of ripping his overly large intestines out of his butthole or are terminally busy dealing with far greater problems than a drug lord like alien invasions or demon invasions or fricking muties.
Some capes are not against killing.
Fisk is also handling / doing business with super-powered vilains who don't care / enjoy killing.
I fail to see your point.
>Some capes are not against killing.
None of whom actually interact with kingpin on any regular basis while also having powers
>doing business with super-powered vilains who don't care / enjoy killing
Because spider-man villains are morons who take paychecks to follow orders
>I fail to see your point.
Then you're moronic and can't see past the weight. Kingpin doesn't survive because he's some genius mastermind behind every scheme, he survives because plot armor demands a single recognizable mobster to oppose so he's magically beneath the notice of everyone who's able to kill him and willing to do so on a regular basis. He should've gotten franked decades ago if status quo didn't exist
>None of whom actually interact with kingpin on any regular basis while also having powers
Dardevil ? What about the super powered capes willing to kill in Gotham ?
>Because spider-man villains are morons who take paychecks to follow orders
Ah yeah, Gothams vilains are all 15 000 IQ.
As per usual, Batgays can't fathom the idea that their characters are not the top dogs at absolutely anything.
>He should've gotten franked decades ago if status quo didn't exist
So, just like Joker ? And pretty much anyone who got into Arkham more than 5 times ?
>he survives because plot armor demands
You pretty much described nearly every Batman villain, who could be taken out by some disgruntled citizen sick of their shit with a .22.
>keeping its abnormal criminal populace in check.
>He controls the underworld, dang. He decides who does what and where they do it at
He makes the money, man. He rolls the nickels. The game is his. He deals the cards.
Batgay are so fricking moronic.
Penguin is a 2 piece chicken mcnobody. Fisk has spent most of his existence running the NY underworld right in front of an army of superhero's faces, and he fricking fights them hand to hand, even.
Fisk is too *much* for Gotham.
>Fisk is too *much* for Gotham.
Because he's fat. When he hauls ass he's gotta make two trips.
Are they gonna put this scene in the new daredevil show?
No just the scene of fisk getting raped, to show why he's so mean.
Hopefully
Depends if he has plot immunity or not.
Realistically, Kingpin shouldn't survive more than a few days in either city, Gotham or his own.
>Realistically, Kingpin shouldn't survive more than a few days in either city, Gotham or his own.
While he might eat everything in the city within those few days, there'll be new food shipments, so he'll survive.
would Gotham be a product of his weight?
>I used MY WEIGHT to deduce the identity of the Batman
>I keep the Gotham criminal underworld in line because of MY WEIGHT
>I turned Harley and Ivy straight again because of MY WEIGHT
Fisk would go to Bludhaven instead.
I hear it is a much nicer looking city.
Jesus, the amount of Batwank and Gothamwank in this thread.
>and Gothamwank
Calling it such a shithole filled to the brim with lunatics that no sane crime lord would even bother trying to go for it isn't gothamwank.
Calling it batwank is weird because "Fights super strong crime boss" is literally just a default for Batman.
Most of mob boss are just normal mafia with silly costumes. Nothing Fisk couldn't handle.
As for the Batwank, I meant : when everything Batman related is said to be much worse / better than things that aren't connected to his city.
This thread is literally :
>Mafia, somewhere = 🙁
>Mafia, Gotham = 😀
Joker would call him Fat Lex Luthor and hire multiple goons to play a tuba whenever Fisk is out in public.
Who wrote this shit?
Jason Aaron
Githam is a port city garanteeing international trade makes up for whatever bullshit happens there in a daily basis.
At best he'd stake out some territory for himself, but he'd be competing with the Penguin and Black Mask and the numerous smaller gang bosses, crime families, chinese triads, ex-KGB mafias and the latest army of mental patients the Joker recruits somehow.
It was a different time
The Penguin IRL
>batman tries digging into fisk's past to find anything to get him arrested
>kingpin just eradicates all records of it with his weight
what now batgays
>All past crimes past statute of limitations
>Current crimes dragged out in courts until settlement made
Kingpin always wins.
Someone please write or draw this. I'll weight all night.
He wouldn't bother, Gotham is a shit hole full of crazies, at most he'd make a deal with Penguin or Black Mask to run some shit there for him, but Fisk himself wouldn't bother with such an eyesore of a city. Metropolis looks a lot cleaner and a nice place to set up, but between Lex "Look at the size of my dick" Luthor and Superman around, just not worth the pain in the ass.
Metropolis might be legit the smarter choice for the same reason New York is a good choice for him now. Oscorp is pretty much just Lexcorp anyway, and so long as he doesn't start a fight with him then he can run the underground as he does now. Metropolis has a scarce underground except for the alien tech stuff, so if he just like stuck to drugs and traffiking he'd probably be set.
If he can get a hold of Intergang, start cutting some deals, he would be fine, the only problem other than Superman or Superman a jointed people is Lex feeling like someone is trying to out business him.
It's not always about the money Spiderman
It's about the Mets, baby. Love the Mets. All right, baby, let's go get a home run, baby!
Fisk is just a much better penguin (absolute jobber) crossed with a roughly as good bane. Physically he's got nothing on clayface or killer croc, and organizationally he's got nothing on the Court or the League, none of which were a match for Batman.
He's no match for Batgod, that's not even a question, but he does have on distinct advantage that makes him all but immune to Batman. Fisk isn't A) crazy or B) metahuman so every time he gets defeated he'll pass through the rotating door of Blackgate and still be home for dinner.
The bigger risk would be his competition. He could vassalize Dent or Penguin, he could hire clayface or bane, catwoman would make a point of dabbing on him but he wouldn't care if his watch went missing. The bigger issues is that if he gets strong he has to deal with the Court (if they're intact) and the League (if they're in town) who only exist to kill people like him and out-clandestine him by galactic proportions. Finally Fisk would evaporate before Joker and his insane plot armor.
TL;DR
The local flavors a bit too spicy for him.
Fisk fought Batman in a crossover and it was a stalemate. Felt it was better to fight him in the courts than on the streets.
The only way Fisk could not die immediately to the league of assasins is with the court's protection but since he isn't a Gothamite good old boy he'd get talon'd the second he got his outfit off the ground
Fisk's plot armor is pretty good. If he showed up in Gotham he couldn't beat Joker but he wouldn't die to him either. They probably wouldn't overlap, so he...
A) Gets offscreened by the court or run out of Gotham depending on the degree of plot armor. This is 100% guaranteed. Unless...
B) He has some tie to a rich gotham founding family thus gains the favor of the Court in which case he's stuck fighting the league of assassins over Lazarus pits forever instead of whatever he wants to be doing.
Or
C) Then somehow impresses Ras who'd probably try to make him head of league knowing him thus getting him, at best, run out of town by Talia, then killed by the Court for betraying them. They've killed named characters before so I don't think his plot armor would protect him at that point
I ran the numbers OP. He couldn't make it. Best he could manage is a short run then dead or exiled. (assuming he doesn't want to be a full‐time foot soldier fighting over the glowing green kiddie pools)
Why would he do that?
What does Kingpin's bussy feel like?
almost immediately and batman would be fricking useless against him. if anything fisk and lex luthor would become political allies and run for office to as an agenda to delegitimize capes, or use the law to make it so capes work for fisk and luthor
Damn I was just reading some MAX earlier
The court still exists?
I thought that idea died when the writer left two universe reboots ago.
Fisk would end up as a Nightwing villain.
This. Dick is basically like if Matt Murdock had all his fighting ability and could see. Kingpin is just not on the level of a Bat rogue. Gotham is far beyond NY street levelers, it's nightmare fuel.
Current Fisk isn't shit. Hasn't been for a long time.
He'd have to go all out, start doing his old Silver Age stuff, and even then he'd get his dirigible ass royally whipped by Bruce in a couple days.
Plus none of the villains would like him cutting in either. Even Black Mask's crew would give Fisk a hard time.
I could see him moving into the Cauldron and getting killed off my Tommy when he does something shitty to someone Tommy knows.