>First time at Batmn he totally wins with ease.
>Very skilled with little training.
>Beats the joker very fast in their second encounter.
>Always deduces the main villain's plot (like that time a guy tried to drive Bruce crazy by installing a chip on his head and making hear voices)
>Made Bruce mad by taking him to a disrespectful Batman play.
>wienery.
That.
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Who the frick is Rey?
Bruh
Rey my balls
Hey Steve Jobs died of Rey.
Not cool man.
BOOYAKA
BOOYAKA
KILLED A GUY
Isn't that Rey Jr?
It’s an Evangelion reference
The bastard that killed Steve Irwin dude
Mysterio Jr., the wrestler.
King in spanish
He played the Punisher in Punisher War Zone
A drop of golden sun
Rey chikita from evangelion
Reyfrigerator
You sure are making imaginary to be mad about
Why is it the Sequel Trilogy defenders need to trash something else in order to defend it
And why is it they deliberately take everything out of context and argue in bad faith
Because didney wars has no genuine merit to argue for. Only by drawing comparisons and attempting to tear down the opposition can they hope for the sequels to look relatively less bad.
That’s funny, a few years ago we had an avid Terry hater who always cried how he can’t do anything, has no skill, only gets ahead thanks to the suit and never did anything to earn the title.
He actually struggles even if he’s skilled and competent, plus his personality isn’t bland like Rey’s.
Though I will say that even though the two characters are completely different (and for the better in Terry’s case, frick Rey) I do find it amusing that both of them had terrible retcons concering their parents that no one liked.
Genetics does not justify ability...
why even make this retcon when the suit unironically makes half the job.
I have no fricking clue.
>retcons
It was always the plan for r*y to be part of the emperor's family
Terry seems to always been planned to be Bruce's son too. Terry and his little brother both had black hair when one parent was a red head and another a brunnette.
It's the other way around; they made him Bruce;s son because they didn't factor in his parents' hair color, so they got inspired to make him related to Bruce. They didn't figure out the "how" until JLU.
Future's end made Damian take Bruce's place now that he is dead, it wouldn't be far fetched if Damian starts training Matt and have Terry learn about what it is to be Batman instead of ruling by Fear.
It wasn't always the plan, but Timm came up with the plot early on. Before the end of season 1. Burnett hated it and pushed against it, but ultimately it wasn't his call. Timm never found the right way to tell the story until they started to plan the Catwoman DTV but after Return of the Joker saw pushback from parents they decided to shelve the DTV since it was planned to be even darker. They finally told the story with Epilogue but I think that was the wrong place to tell it. They should have just pushed for the DTV. I think it would have been more accepted if a story actually focused on it instead of Waller just dumping exposition. I don't think it would have been as controversial had we gotten a DTV with fleshed out themes.
Oh bullshit they NEVER knew who Rey's family was. They had zero direction for those movies. Terry's at least was meant to be Bruce's clone child from early on.
They explicitly went in with no plan and had to bring JJ Abrams back in to clean up the mess Johnson left because they studio had no idea what to do with the third movie they had already agreed to make.
No it wasn’t. Emperor wasn’t in the original episode 9 script.
>terrible retcons
Never watched star wars but the terry retcon was great. The episode is what sucked, like every episode of jlu.
>No one liked
I did.
moron. Go back to 50yddit NOW! And kys right now.
Terry struggled, unlike the porn actress.
isn't he a jock? makes sense to me and besides joker lost because joker is only threatening against the real batman bruce wayne heck even a normie could kick jokers ass
>isn't he a jock?
Yep, but he got kicked from the team for fighting bac against his bully.
Hes bascially batman if he spiderman. The thing is that batman beyond was fricking badass and original while the new starwars movie was derivative garbage with no soul regardless if the mc is female or male it wouldve been shit on either way
Well for Terry, he is a bit shy on womenZ
God damn it Piratepon frick off.
He's wearing a powersuit you illiterate moron.
Complaining about him is like complaining about magic girl transformations or Iron Man.
>Episode where he doesn't even wears it.
>Wins.
>Fights suitless in S2 ep 4
So you don't think being Batman for that long would carry over by then?
>Complaining about him is like complaining about magic girl transformations
Why don't we see Terry strip down in colorful lights every episode?
Bruce removed that feature in the Batsuit 1.7
Good question, someone should ask the writers.
Kim Possible is much more talented than everyone around her and people still liked her.
Well what does terry like the most for these girls?
>Max >Ten >Dana
>If he were a woman you would hate him
Good thing he's not a woman then!
Terry got the shit beaten out of him all the time I'm pretty sure and often won by tricking his opponents into killing themselves in horrifying ways
But I do agree that if he was female and his show came out today Cinemaphile would treat him with much, much more scrutiny.
>But I do agree that if he was female and his show came out today Cinemaphile would treat him with much, much more scrutiny.
The writers, production team, animation studio, executives and how they'd meddle, where it would air, how many episodes it would get, and what it would be tied into would all be wildly different though.
The problem with today's media isn't that it's exactly the same as the stuff we got 20 years ago, but now with more girls. It's that all the new stuff is fricking awful and written by hack morons who think symbolic social value is the most important thing a show can achieve, and that story, presentation, and execution are tertiary concerns at best.
Funny coincidence how Cinemaphile only hates everything about women and minorities totally because it's badly written. There's no bias, we promise, it's just a coincidence that absolutely everything that features these specific elements just happens to be bad. A total coincidence, every single time.
I can hear the dicks you’re sucking from here OP.
I accept your concession.
have a nice day OP.
>total coincidence
Who said that, you unbelievably huge homosexual? There's no coincidence that nepotistic hiring practices and agenda-driven studio decisions are leading to more poorly written shows.
Only if they treated it as "see, a woman can be Batman too", like being a woman was FemTerry's defining trait and what gave them their power.
And this day and age? they would.
Batwoman TV series?
Exactly. Shit show.
That's the neat part! I always hated Terry!
Terry gets the dogshit kicked out of him every episode and is constantly reminded that he's not anywhere near as good a Batman as Bruce was. We see him screw up in almost every episode for 2 seasons, and have just as much trouble balancing the mask and his real life as Bruce did. Rey was perfect, knew everything, and did everything better than her predecessors despite having no real training in anything. Terry and Rey are very different because Terry earns our praise by working hard for it.
Yet he wins while others who would wear the suit with the little training he had would be screwed in no time.
>Yet he wins while others who would wear the suit with the little training he had would be screwed in no time.
Against who?
He wins by sheer luck.
I don't hate Rey because I've never watched any of the new Star Wars films.
The only reason people hate characters like Ray is if the show or movie in general is shit and rather than answer the more complicated and detailed answer of why the writing and direction was shit, they go for the easy low hanging fruit and complain about a character.
The problem with a mary-sue isn't that they're great at everything or get everything, it's how that's written.
Wrong. If he were a woman, Cinemaphile would want to frick her endlessly.
You're not me and you know nothing about me, so don't tell me how I'd feel about X if it were Y instead, you manipulative outrage baiting social parasitical homosexual.
This
Frick we missed out man, we could’ve gotten a Batgirl that wouldn’t have been sidelined or crippled or written like shit.
Terri sexo
"Batgirl Beyond" doesn't have the same kind of pull from the title alone sadly
Would "Batman: Tomorrow Knight" be misleading if the lead was Batgirl, I mean Bruce is still around to advise
Same logo but read it as Beyond Batman
Beyond "future's end" new timeline has Dick's Daughter as the new Batwoman Beyond, as she stole terry's old suit while he was amnesiac.
Matt who is also Bruce's son was Robin until all parties told him to stop and live a normal life, and bruce developed a new robin suit off the batsuit project.
Or it is Batman Beyond or "Batman of fhe Future"
I checked the archive, is this from a drawthread that didn't get saved cos there's no prior posts
https://boards.fireden.net/co/thread/84852101/
https://boards.fireden.net/co/thread/86669077/
It dates back to 2016 I think. But the fricking site is broken on my end.
Still broken dammit, but thanks
Terry is mentored by Bruce, whom he respects and struggles to live to as an example and as a teacher. Rey is better than Han and Luke and THEY end up having to try to live up to HER (and fail)
Unlikely. Batman Beyond was made in an era before forced feminization became standard procedure. If Terry was a girl then he'd be just as beloved today but also subject to endless nostalgic horny threads about the tough chick in a skintight batsuit. FemTerry would be on a level with TT Raven.
> If Terry was a girl then he'd be just as beloved today but also subject to endless nostalgic horny threads about the tough chick in a skintight batsuit. FemTerry would be on a level with TT Raven.
This is a bad thing, because?????
I didn't say it was
>First time at Batmn he totally wins with ease.
>Very skilled with little training.
Because he's in a supersuit that makes him stronger.
>Beats the joker very fast in their second encounter.
Due to all the help he got between encounters.
>Always deduces the main villain's plot (like that time a guy tried to drive Bruce crazy by installing a chip on his head and making hear voices)
Bruce thought there was a speaker somewhere but didn't know where and he couldn't see the bandage on his head. Also he guessed wrong when the psychiatrist's son was attacking people.
>Made Bruce mad by taking him to a disrespectful Batman play.
What episode?
>wienery.
Now you're just scraping the bottom of the barrel.
>Because he's in a supersuit that makes him stronger.
You're reminding me of when my mom heard about Iron Man and scoffed "oh, so that's the hero of modern kids? just a guy who puts on a magical suit and can do everything?" Of course, there's the part where Iron Man worked hwrd to invent that suit by himself... But Terry doesn't have that part, so him winning only because he puts on a suit is not the best writing either way.
>Terry doesn't have that part, so him winning only because he puts on a suit is not the best writing either way.
He has the original batman coaching him and out right telling him what to do in most episodes.
So we can call him "iron boy" like MCU Spider-Man?
Yeah. Nobody would argue that Terry would've been nothing but stuck as a street thug if it weren't for Bruce's suit and tutoring. He's literally a legacy character.
>What episode?
"out of the past"
It was great
>relies on Bruce for advice
>relies on technology more than Bruce
>doesn't have a no kill rule, making his job easier
>doesn't have the same feats as Bruce besides making the Joker angry
He does have a no kill rule, he never tries to intentionally kill anyone, but he is a lot more willing to let villains die to their own screw ups.
And Terry killed a lot of people as Batman than Bruce
If the crossovers had continued, he would always be at odds with May every time unlike Peter and Bruce.
Future's End is Prime Earth's Future now
Joker isn't that strong really compared to many other villains and his mind games don't really work on Terry
He still struggles a lot during the fight, he stalls a lot and still gets his ass kicked and manages to win mainly because he could just destroy the Joker's chip instead of actually having to incapacitate him
Normal Joker isn’t that strong yes, this Joker hijacked Tim’s body, he had all of his skills so Terry really wouldn’t have been able to beat him in a fair fight.
>he had all of his skills
Tim was in his 60's and out of practice for decades, it only helped so much.
Dude was able to beat down Terry and nearly strangled him despite him having his powered suit on, if he could do that with a body that was out of shape I dread to see what he’d be able to do with a fitter host.
Is Terry canon in the mainline comics?
The Star Wars sequels were a billion dollar laughing stock which cratered the entire IP into being second rate streaming fodder and there's nothing you'll ever be able to do to change that.
Lick my ass
>If he were a woman you would hate him as much as Rey
Nah, just look how much love Cassandra Cain got during her run.
FemTerry would have been a good Batgirl Beyond for the single fact that villains usually got the upper hand when things went according their plan.
As I always say: Adam from Needles had learning other people's abilities as a super power, and he was still slower at learning each ability than Rey at learning all the Jedi tricks. That's how moronic she is.
I think it would be neat because there would finally be a greater form of cuckery than raising a daughter: ejaculating someone else's sperm into your wife to create someone else's daughter and then raising them so they can be a superheir for another man and probably have a superfling with his adopted sons's sons somewhere down the line.
Terry is the original Rey.
I mean the clone shit and all that.
I close my case.
>First time at Batmn he totally wins with ease.
Against who exactly? Because he struggled against a lot of villains, including Inque, Rah’s, Blight, Spellbinder, and that one hunter guy. He’s had a number of situations where someone else had to lend a hand or he only managed to stall them.
>Very skilled with little training.
That’s a lie. We literally watch him train all the time. Bruce even has scenarios set up that mimic villains he had to deal with. He could scrap because he was a scrapper, but Bruce as an old man wrecked a whole group of thugs Terry couldn’t.
>Always deduces the main villain's plot (like that time a guy tried to drive Bruce crazy by installing a chip on his head and making hear voices)
Lie. There’s a number of times Terry didn’t figure out stuff, like the Bane patches and Tim being Joker. Also, no shit he’s going to deduce things, he’s trained by Bruce. Again, we watch it happen.
>Made Bruce mad by taking him to a disrespectful Batman play.
How was he supposed to know Bruce would hate it? It was promoted as a love letter to Batman, not an insult.
>wienery
He’s young and naive. I take it you wanted a piece of wood instead?
Terry is different from Bruce, that’s something the show pushes. Terry isn’t as trained and focused, but he also improvises in ways Bruce didn’t and couldn’t, like upsetting the Joker to throw him off as opposed to “powering through” the Joker’s taunts.
You're assuming OP has actually watched the show and isn't just a bitter homosexual who unironically thinks the only problem with Rey is that she's a woman and the world just hates women.
>Against who exactly? Because he struggled against a lot of villains, including Inque, Rah’s, Blight, Spellbinder, and that one hunter guy.
Hell, I don't think there's a single Inque episode where she doesn't almost kill him. She had very exploitable weaknesses but was definitely his most dangerous recurring nemesis.
>Bruce, twice
>Her greedy daughter
>Superman
>Green Lantern
Terry has never truly won against Inque. Somebody always ends up bailing him out instead.
he did beat her on that dam if i remember correctly or at least got her to flee
Her fleeing doesn't mean shit.
I mean he's meant to be the Superhero if the baddie gets away without being presumed dead that should count as a loss.
At best, I call it a stalemate.
>gets in a fight
>one person clearly winning
>the other one runs away, after failing to complete their goal
its totally a stalemate guys, really she totally would have won if she didn't lose
but she still got away Terry's win condition is her being put in jail.
but he's not not so I don't
You all know you are defending a single guy with barely any training is doing better than nightwing or Tim, right?
He could barely make a good robin in the old days
Terry only becomes somewhat capable without the suit after being Batman for a while. It was made explicitly clear in the show that Terry was not able to perform without the cybernetic batsuit doing a lot of the work.
What's your fricking point, dipshit?
He literally relies on the batsuit to carry the day, he didn't outperform Nightwing or Tim in the slightest.
>If he were a woman
would love me some Terri
No matter the gender terry's the Goat
I'd take a girl terry.
I could also live with a girl Terry.
Terri hooking up with the still female Ten would be pretty damn hot.
Reytroons are beyond mentally ill
You can almost immediately tell someone is suffering from terminal brainrot if they defend or try to insist the sequel trilogy is good in any ways. Not even an exaggeration. The second someone tries to pretend that TLJ was just disliked for reasons beyond it being a profoundly stupid movie, you can safely guess that they are likely severely mentally ill.
The only people I see who like TLJ are hipsters that like it because it's the complete opposite of everything that Star Wars should be, they think it's artistic in how much it spits on Star Wars.
You'd remember Batwoman Beyond fondly, just like characters like Amanda Waller because they'd be grandfathered characters you liked before you had the pol brainworms installed.
This is all lies.
>first time wins with ease
He has never won with ease.
>vvery skilled
No he's not. He is constantly getting hit with attacks that have huge windups. But, he does also have training and experience anyway so don't lie.
>beats the joker in second encounter
Yeah good guys win. What was supposed to happen, he never beats the joker and the joker just gets to do whatever he wants forever?
>very fast
very badassly. And this is after years of him being batman.
>always deduces the villain's plot
He's Batman. What's wrong with him figuring things out? Espescially when all of his villains are teminally moronic
>made bruce mad by taking him to a disrespectful play
He thought it was fun. Also who cares? Bruce Timm version of bruce wayne can suck a dick, I hate the guy. Mostly because he is ALWAYS rewarding female criminals instead of beating them up and putting them behind bars. And guess what, Terry put a stop to that when he was only a teenager and had a major crush on one.
>wienery
He is? Who cares? I don't know anything about trek wars but I can garuntee you're just being a liar right now anon.
you're right
I just hate and refuse to respect women
>if that was my attitude
by God that man threatened a qualified media reviewer!
OH NO NOT THE HECCIN QUALIFIED MEDIA REVIWERINO
Jarbo is a loser homosexual with no actual qualifications for media review, as no such thing exists. He's another fat homosexual with an opinion.
I also hate and refuse to respect women. When they are horribly written characters that ruin one's suspension of disbelief at every turn.
Rey learns her powers infinitely faster and easier than Luke. She makes him look like a brain damaged monkey. In fact it's not accurate to say she learns anything, she just suddenly is a fully trained Jedi in the span of one scene.
Terry with a cybernetic exoskeleton and jetpack is less competent than Bruce was with spandex and a grappling hook.
You are an idiot.
Nailed it.
Terry works because he's an ex-juvenile and his suit helps, he won't work fighting wise if he was an nerd or an regular guy.
Rey doesn't suck because she's a chick, she and the rest of the nu wars cast suck because the writers where jungling a hundred different ideas and failing to commit to any of them for their arcs.
nah
Ehhh I think the point is that it is not a matter if Terry is better than Rey. It's more about that we co/ would have hated rule63 terry because of her attitude and because she is a woman and we would overlook her possible coolness.
''This edgy chick puts on a bat suit and beats the bad guys with relative ease when Bruce had to train her whole life.''
Oh by the way: People would have shipped her and Max (black lady with purple hair...yeah lesbians)
>''This edgy chick puts on a bat suit and beats the bad guys with relative ease when Bruce had to train her whole life.''
But that's not really what happens in Batman Beyond. Terry routinely gets his shit kicked in, and when you watch the show from start to finish you see a gradual release where Bruce appears to guide Terry less and less. Terry also trains throughout season 1. Terry also is a street fighter and brawler before becoming Batman and we do see that reflected in his fighting style. He doesn't need to train as much as Bruce either because the suit enhances a lot of his abilities.
And Rey survived on her own in that planet that is not Tatooie.
Still a shit character, but she did grab a stick to fight.
Rey's problem is there's an extreme jump, it isn't gradual and the pacing of the movie doesn't allow you to take anything in. I remember when TFA was first in theaters and people were complaining about Rey knowing how to fix the Falcon several anons had outright missed the part where she explains that she helped install the part she removed in the first place. There are a lot of structure and pacing issues that cause Rey not to work. Terry doesn't really have that issue and I don't think making Terry a girl would change that.
Rey is never shown being physically beaten within an inch of her life including all the pain that comes from such an experience. Terry has had several moments where he is brutally beaten to the brink of death throughout his story. They're not comparable. Also no "using up all your Force Energy to defeat your evil grandpa" is not being beaten to death.
That's a feat that means nothing in a universe where everyone is scraping by on dozens of shitty planets.
He still had to hone his abilities and Madd many mistakes while becoming batman. Helped that he had the best possible mentor around. Bruce wayne.
Terry is a massive frick up from the start but learns from his mistakes thanks to constant guidance by his mentor who can correct him on the fly. He gets beat in almost every fight he's participated in and barely survives by exploiting a weakness seconds before being slaughtered. I love Batman Beyond because in the future the villains were so hyper lethal Terry as Batman has basically no choice but to let them die or risk being brutally killed. It was the ultimate evolution to the previous era where Batman not only beat villains but also went far out of his way to save them.
As others have said, the FemTerry made today would NOT be the FemTerry made back then. She'd be a lesbian, have none of the flaws Terry does, and be better than Batman ever was.
While I do think that female characters are judged more than male characters Rey is a poor example. It's not even that she's a mary sue, it's that she has no charisma.
>suit supposedly enhances his strength by 10 times
>he still regularly gets overpowered and beaten up by regular Joes
It enhances strength, it doesn't make him especially resistant or skilled.
>First time at Batmn he totally wins with ease.
suit increases strength 10 fold and even then he needs bruce as his mission control
>Very skilled with little training.
explicitly shown to be in wrestling and a delinquent who fights a lot
>Beats the joker very fast in their second encounter.
he is surprised that joker is physically capable and only gets the upperhand by fighting dirty and causing emotional damage
>Always deduces the main villain's plot
batman is a detective? stop the presses
Yeah, the real batman who studied for years. Not a teen who was barely on the job for less than a year.
>Yeah, the real batman who studied for years.
who acts as a mentor to terry
its often a team effort between them, with bruce providing much needed wisdom to terry
There are tons of female leads people adore in video games, cartoons, and movies. Rey Skywalker is just not at all endearing. She doesn't struggle with anything, has unexplained mastery of the force with almost no training, and doesn't have any strong personality flaws or internal conflict to make an audience feel for her.
It's a pity you feel the need to try and make this about gender when it's really just about poor characterization. Maybe if the nu-Trilogy was better Rey could have been developed, but she wasn't the only character that was shafted by the awful writing of those movies.
Yeah, no. I rewatched Batman Beyond and could not believe how easy was for Terry not to screw up or die at the start.
The suit doesn't make him invulnerable either, he should have died with all the times he got beaten up.
He also beat a trained hunter (this was season 1) and had ''luck'' escaping from him.
I also watched the original Batman the animated series and you can notice that Bruce, even with a simple suit, struggled in catching crooks and face to face combat even with YEARS of training on him.
Many said that already, the suit doesn't make him Batman, but still...
Look how many times Terry just had ''sheer luck'' on his side and look how he solved pretty much every conflict with the help of Bruce.
I dunno what kind of ''magic suit'' that is, but it looks like it comes with plot armor.
The Joker had Robin's training and was in fit form (no, that body is not of a guy in his 60's) and yet still he was beaten badly by ''low hit'' and ''being driven mad over a kid's words''
(a coincidence a character played by Hamill died SO easily in both franchises or that the ''overpowered character'' beat them with lightning)
Even if Terry was too perfect everything else about the show was so good that it would make up for that. He's the mc and it's a fact of life that things are going to be convenient for him at times especially during the beginning of the story. Was Rey wasn't really any more special then Anakin or Luke all things considered but she just had less things going for her. Everyone knew Anakin was going to frick up eventually so you watched him to see that unfold. Luke was more straight forward and had the benefit of being first.