Self-control is making sure the punishment fits the crime judge jury and executioner style
Almost all of invincibles villains anyway have no regard for human life and frequently kill them, or go out of their way to do so intentionally or not so killing them or at least crippling them beyond repair would probably be the correct thing to do
>Self-control is making sure the punishment fits the crime judge jury and executioner style
No that's justice. Mark's problem wasn't that he doled out justice, it's that he didn't feel in control of himself when he did it.
>Self-control is making sure the punishment fits the crime judge jury and executioner style
That's exactly the opposite of what it means. If you're exacting punishment because someone's actions offended you, then you have no self-control.
>so killing them or at least crippling them beyond repair would probably be the correct thing to do
I find it so funny that there's so many people here crying about Mark being traumatized for taking a life for the first time, especially being so afraid that his Viltrumite side will make him into a psychopath His future is literally MurderMan, if killing is what's gonna solve it, he's gonna do it
He snapped his moms arm off and was going to kill his mom and his baby brother and was threatening to do so for a while. It was an appropriate reaction
Defense of self and others justifies a proportional response. A proportional response to a dude who has powers like Levy is absolute lethal force. Anyone with a brain would have turned him into a pink mist and slept like a baby.
I'm fricking tired of this one extreme or the other mindset. That you killed once, you therefore have zero restraint ever again. That killing The Joker to save millions of lives down the line means I'm going to pump a purse snatcher full of lead.
The concept of will power has just evaporated apparently. Maybe that's just me because I never did drugs or drank booze or watched GoT but the idea that you do something ONCE and thus you do it again under drastically less severe circumstances is baffling to me.
Feels like people have become so moronic about revenge stories they forgot what moral conviction is. It takes immense willpower to strongly adhere to a moral principle in situations that call them into question, breaking from it objectively means your moral principle is susceptible to pressure and your resolve can be weakened.
The problem is when you take the moral convictions so far you ignore the clear dangers of adhering to them.
If you have someone with the capacity to mass murder, like it's a wave of the finger and a school's worth of people are dead, they have zero capacity for redemption, and no prison on Earth to your knowledge can keep them locked away then why the frick would you endanger the world at large by keeping them alive? THAT'S my biggest issue with the no kill rule and the logic behind it.
>It takes immense willpower to strongly adhere to a moral principle in situations that call them into question, breaking from it objectively means your moral principle is susceptible to pressure and your resolve can be weakened.
This is only true if the individual states that one of their moral conviction includes not killing and that ANYONE could be rehabilitated. 99% of the human population universally agree that there's a certain group of people and/or actions that's worth ending the lives of. There's no normal well-adjusted human being on this Earth that believes that we should keep around a mass murderer who can kill people with just a blink of an eye.
>"I killed someone who was trying to kill me. Back to doing what I was doing!"
Goku had the right idea. Some guy is trying to kill me and destroy my home, either he's dead or going to switch sides. Either way after the ordeal I'm just going to go about my day and not ruminate on a moral conundrum
Didn't Red Hood kill a whole bunch of people before he actually got to the Joker? Then when he failed it made all those deaths meaningless cause the Joker got away.
I'm fricking tired of this one extreme or the other mindset. That you killed once, you therefore have zero restraint ever again. That killing The Joker to save millions of lives down the line means I'm going to pump a purse snatcher full of lead.
The concept of will power has just evaporated apparently. Maybe that's just me because I never did drugs or drank booze or watched GoT but the idea that you do something ONCE and thus you do it again under drastically less severe circumstances is baffling to me.
That wasn't even the point of the scene. You all missed the entire point. It wasn't that he killed the bad guy, it was HOW he killed him.
This isn't an insult anon but you may want to talk to your doctor about an autism diagnosis. The show isn't exactly subtle about why Marks upset and not being able to see that may be a sign of bigger issues.
I haven't been to Cinemaphile in a while but man that finale was a let down. I think the shitty cherry on top is that the Lizard League didn't actually kill anyone after all that. My expectations have been subverted.
yeah also if someone dies why don't they just put them in a robot body like bobby hill? Like when rex dies they should have just put him in a robot body.
>one man who kills several heroes and thousand of innocent people >versus >one man who killed someone who tortured his innocent mother and was about to kill her and his baby brother and was going to torture and kill him
other than "kill" there is no connection whatsoever
"Oh my god, Hitler breathed air! I am just like him!" frick off
Mighty Max was a spin off of the Polly Pockettoy line; pocket sized dolls in clamshell cases deigned to mimic makeup compacts. The cases were styled as the setting for the adventure, like a dream house or a battle arena. He was later made into a cartoon and also a video game.
as soon as anyone feels pride in killing him, his spirit immediately possesses the person who killed him
it starts becoming a bit bullshit though, as at one point he is killed by an artillery shell or landmine and the guy who made that landmine in the factory felt proud about it and instantly got possessed
Honestly, it made no sense to kill Belos right there. He should've been taken captive, arrested, and tried for his crimes since he was weak and powerless. He and his underlings had a lot to answer for, yet that part is never brought up again. Owl House called it out in a way that made little sense when thought out logically.
Belos was far too dangerous to be left alive if an opportunity to kill him arose, dude survived getting splatted by a demigod, no prison could've held him
>Belos was far too dangerous to be left alive
How? He was literally a pile of sludge barely keeping himself together and had very little magic left. >no prison could've held him >yet being stomped on can kill him easily
Besides. When did I say he was ever gonna go to prison after the trial? He and the ones who worked with him (they had to have been aware there was something involving a mass killing) on the Day of Unity are very likely gonna get the death sentence given the nature of the crime they committed. Doing the legal procedures just makes sure people affected by their actions such as Hunter and the entirety of the Boiling Isles, get closure.
>How? He was literally a pile of sludge barely keeping himself together and had very little magic left.
That's exactly what he was multiple times after the DOU before coming back stronger each time
>yet being stomped on can kill him easily
The boiling rain killed him by the will of the Titan, they just stomped on him to take out their frustration
>When did I say he was ever gonna go to prison after the trial?
Where are you going to keep him until the trial?
>He and the ones who worked with him (they had to have been aware there was something involving a mass killing) on the Day of Unity are very likely gonna get the death sentence given the nature of the crime they committed.
It's implied they got dealt with afterwards in the epilogue, Kiki who helped defeat Belos got to repay her debt to society but the others are nowhere to be seen, not even Odalia
>Doing the legal procedures just makes sure people affected by their actions such as Hunter and the entirety of the Boiling Isles, get closure.
Those are Earth laws, they are in the Boiling Isles, for all we know Belos got dealt with appropriately according to his own laws since his dictatorial rule relied on the supposed will of the Titan with no due process
That scene was based af from the music, acting and that badass line from Norman the chad. BTW if you'd think that Norman was the only one who does all the killing, Max was also kills some villains too, and he's fricking 10 years old.
Christ, you fricking idiots, he's in denial about his Viltrum blood. He can feel the instinctual push towards victorious combat and he's worried that the faint pull is something inevitable and horrible. It's not about "lol le comic book rule say killing be baddy" and entirely to do with the internal conflict between the "human morals" which he overly simplifies and his instinctual call towards strength at all costs.
>the MC is slasher/killer who is actually the victim of a curse that twists them into horrible monster who kills both out of violent desire and in the hope that it attracts someone to kill them >killing them passes on the curse so you literally become them by killing the killer and the cycle starts over
as soon as anyone feels pride in killing him, his spirit immediately possesses the person who killed him
it starts becoming a bit bullshit though, as at one point he is killed by an artillery shell or landmine and the guy who made that landmine in the factory felt proud about it and instantly got possessed
>Home made timed explosive. >Strap to self, find him and set timer, shoot him in the last 20 or so seconds and kill self with timed explosive
Thing is the pride thing just makes him get better using you. If you're dead or you didn't feel pride like Oldcrons killing him, he just gets better anyway, as Slaanesh just revives him in the warp, and that's true of all the big Chaos Marine guys, if they're marked by Chaos, the gods will bring them back.
>read through the 2021 storytime in the archives >last volume had over a thousand replies >i completely missed it >we'll probably never get something of that magnitude out of the show
they better give that damn conquest fight their fricking A game
What can they do with Conquest that Nolan and Anissa didn't already do, every fight is just flight slapping without any consequences for anyone, no one is allowed to die and even if they do they're just brought back immediately
>What can they do with Conquest that Nolan and Anissa didn't already do
Because it's the inverse of those fights and the first major win Invincible actually gets. Against Nolan and Anissa, Mark was pretty much helpless and at their mercy. Conquest is supposed to be stronger than both of them and he arguably does way more physical damage to Invincible than Omni-Man ever did yet Mark stood his ground and actually won.
If your a normal human being with any degree of empathy killing a human will be hard even if you know he deserves it 100%. Hell most soldiers and cops would have a hard time dealing with the emotions of killing a person if it was their first time. So why do people think that everything would be better if superheroes where murderous psychopaths and then everyone is supposed to look and nod in agreement like "yeah you go Murder Man!" I swear you people sound like the biggest man babies ever.
then someone should punish you. You don't get an excuse to murder just because you feel you have a reason or excuse. Everyone has their reasons, that doesn't make it right.
It’s also wrong to take the law into your own hands, Batman should be punished for being a vigilante.
There's no right or wrong in a live or die situation. It's just people who usually kill do it because it's practically a instinct to win and survive. Justice is just an artificial constriction of following what ever government and self conditioning programming is in place with what you choose is right or wrong. Adding more restrictions based on what society has expected on you.
Batman is mentally ill and his code of ethics could only be generously described as well meaning but ineffective, under the false assumption that it was functional to begin with.
Batman took the all life is sacred coolaid and asked for seconds. He's functionally moronic. His detective skills are the savant part of his idiot savant status.
Your argument, which you're too lazy and inarticulate to make, is that having a reason is not sufficient to murder someone. This is terrible reasoning, as the definition of murder is the killing of someone without moral justification, so you are begging the question.
You also conflate all potential justifications with one another, ranging from "he looked at me funny" to "he is actively trying to kill me" and thus are also acting in bad faith. Unless you thinking killing someone in self-defense is murder, in which case I throw my hands up in the air and call you a gay moron. >Verification not required.
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the definition of murder is killing someone with malice aforethought. Noone fricking gives a shit if you think you have "moral justification", I'm sure Ted Bundy thought the girls he killed were prostitutes who deserved it too.
No matter your bullshit "reason", no matter your excuse, murder is wrong.
all you've done is increased the number of murders in the world for a hypothetical eventuality that literally has not happened. You killed 5 people for nothing, and saved noone. You made an excuse.
Not that anon but killing =//= murder.
There is a difference between killing a murderous psychopath and murdering an innocent. This is as old if not older than the bronze age. This is even more evident by the israelites back when they were less douchebag.
Killing a murderer is not murder because to murder someone is to kill a person that is either innocent or for something that is disproportionately lower and less severe to the punishment in question. Anyone saying the word murder when referring to killing an actual murderer, one where there is no secret on how many evil deeds he did and how many innocent he killed, implies that they are innocent. Which is the apex of stupidity here.
To kill someone who is a danger to people and who purposefully hurts and kills them is not only the right thing to do. It is a most natural thing to do. It is to defend those who cannot defend themselves and to avoid future tragedy.
This is why today's comic book heroes are irrational because they are written like that. In any normal situation, not only Batman but all of GCPD would be out for Joker's blood and that of every other psychopath who has a tally in the hundreds. Hell, Zasz wouldn't live to see tomorrow.
Black portal man was a storyline that went NOWHERE
and ended in mark being even more of a homosexual "oh woe is me i killed the crazy guy trying to kill me and my family". Him feeling bad for the killing felt so forced and stupid
Zoomers and Gen Alpha don't get to do college; they're the physical labor/tradesmen generation to replace the retiring previous one. I prefer my desk job, despite making less money than a tradesman, I'll be less physically damaged when I reach retirement. My employer also matches my pretax donations to my 401k
>show a fricking montage reiterating Mark is afraid of becoming so calloused to the idea of killing specifically because his Dad told him he is, by birth, a part of a bloodthirsty empire of monsters >something Mark, repeatedly, demonstrates he does not want to be >miss the point anyway
I understand "media literacy" is a meme now but goddamn, how do you miss a point they take time to reiterate over and over again?
It's a meme precisely because so many utter morons are now able to voice their moronic impressions, defend them vehemently, and have other morons agree. The snowball's been rolling since 2010s, but it's worse than ever.
>how do you miss a point they take time to reiterate over and over again?
People just consume. They don't think. They say they want to think, but whenever a piece of media comes out that does this, they start shitting their pants and crying about how "WHY DOESN'T THE FRICKING *insert piece of media here* EXPLAIN ANYTHING?!?
You're moronic. He was horrified by his father's true nature, and he's afraid of becoming like him. Not afraid to kill, just afraid of becoming a monster who's unable and unwilling to control violent outbursts. Which is a valid concern given that it seems he's exactly that in other universes.
>I killed a threat to the universe, but only after giving him extra time to reach his Full Power, nearly losing, then giving him magic healing so he could try to win again. Then when it seems absolutely certain he'd defeat me, I get some last second ass-pull by screaming extra loud.
A true psychopath.
Are you serious? Kid Goku in his ripe age of 14 killed almost the entire Red Ribbon Army by himself because he was fed up with them killing his indium friend; as an adult Goku’s body count lowered to just some foes then and there.
Angstrom 100% deserved to get gibbed and people should be able and willing to use lethal force if it means protecting themselves, but you should still feel bad about it and have reservations. Its only natural to feel regret over taking a life, even if it was completely justified.
Mark was shaken because he finally felt like a conqueror, free to work his will on the universe, and it frightened the shit out of him at how it felt.
It was his "know what cats know that make them scream like babies in the night" moment.
Now he has to figure out how to tame this side of him or risk destroying everyone he loves.
Now he is the Superman.
Mark is an alien. I don't give a shit his motives Alien has no roght to live on the Earth aacrording to Xcom and Warhammer. Which makes Levy 100% correct. >Beware the Alien...the Mutant...the Heretic.
I mean… I don't know if anyone picked it up, but he's trying to avoid being a Viltrumite. But at the same time, didn't Mark try to rationalize that destroying Angstrom is the right thing since he hurt his family?
>Mark should have used a gun to fight like a man
There are at least one or two problems with this statement. One, it's pretty hard to use a gun on a person with portal powers and enhanced strength to tear a person's throat. Two, Mark would most likely try to discard the gun to calm down the situation.
>He is just mogged a human with overwhelming power.
Said human with large veiny brain sack, portal abilities, and enhanced strength, won't listen to logic that he was responsible for his deformed state, and attacked an innocent being.
>If I kill, even out of self defense, I could end up like my dad
To be perfectly fair, for Mark that is a legitimate fear since the multiverse is full of Marks that did go full Viltrumite murder happy.
"Bros" what? What the frick are you trying to say? What is this? *Who* is this? I don't give a shit about some random dickhead on Twitter trying to damage control his own tweets. What's your fricking point, Anon?
>I don't know why Cecil let him go.
He felt sorry for Mark for the shit he has been through -- ranging from Nolan giving him the around the world ass-beating to Angstrom Levy assaulting his mother, how can one not feel sorry for Mark?
His small brain dodged the bullet of course. Part of his origin story was being part of a super soldier program, so he's tougher than a normal human by a small bit.
This might sound like a dumb question as I've only seen the show, but why didn't the Viltrumites regularly check on Nolan while he was on Earth raising Mark to verify the fulfillment of his mission? Why did they only interfere 18 years after the fact? Isn't their empire all-expansive? Shouldn't they have known this?
so everyone in the universe seems to speak english. at first i thought allen was speaking english because his phychic powers conveyed ideas before they were parsed through language but it seems like english is simply the official language of space. are there still foreign languages on earth?
I do enjoy the idea that literally the only difference between Unopans and Earthlings is the one eye. Allen consistently having references to shit we do on Earth is great
>get sent to another dimension >get brought back >realize he creates the portals >slice his arms off
the fight wouldn't have lasted ten seconds against me. Mark is supposed to be able to move faster than the human reaction time, right?
alright then deliver a knockout punch mid sentence. Every single time he was sent to another dimension it was the most moronic slow fly towards him ever. Its impossible to write a good fight if someone is capable of moving at the speed of sound.
Depends on the situation and the media in question. Mark obviously doesn't want to become his dad, but he's crossed that line now and Invincible as a world has no problem with ultra violence.
>born to emotionless murder fascists >raised to have empathy >get upset you murdered someone, even if he was a c**t
Anon, it's called character development. Of course Mark isn't going to be immediately okay with his first kill. Jesus fricking christ media literacy really is dead.
>Why didn't mark just spew forth fully formed and 100% at ease with his powers and place in the world like I would because I'm totally great.
>killing people, even if those people leave you with no choice, isn't good for your mental health >Angstrom is the first person Mark has killed >Mark killing Angstrom would've gotten him stranded on an alternate earth with nothing on it for the rest of his Viltrumite life if it wasn't for the future guardians saving him >the only reason the guardians did save him was because that already happened >Mark killed Angstrom because he gave into his rage meaning he couldn't think rationally and just wanted him dead regardless of the consequences >Mark associates killing people without thinking about it with his father before he left earth and he's terrified of turning out like that >this all happened relatively soon after a Viltrumite found Mark while he was off-duty, threatened to kill his then girlfriend on the spot, completely humiliated him and then promised that the next time he rejects their offer the planet he would die to protect will pay the price for his insolence
The fact that he had a no kill rule to begin with should be enough to tell you that he wouldn't kill if he could afford not to and that forcing him to kill would mentally frick him up severely, BUT I guess you just weren't paying attention. That or you're pretending to be moronic.
>"I killed someone who was trying to kill me. I'm a monster!"
>yeh bro just lose all of your self control
Self-control is making sure the punishment fits the crime judge jury and executioner style
Almost all of invincibles villains anyway have no regard for human life and frequently kill them, or go out of their way to do so intentionally or not so killing them or at least crippling them beyond repair would probably be the correct thing to do
>Self-control is making sure the punishment fits the crime judge jury and executioner style
No that's justice. Mark's problem wasn't that he doled out justice, it's that he didn't feel in control of himself when he did it.
>Self-control is making sure the punishment fits the crime judge jury and executioner style
That's exactly the opposite of what it means. If you're exacting punishment because someone's actions offended you, then you have no self-control.
>so killing them or at least crippling them beyond repair would probably be the correct thing to do
I find it so funny that there's so many people here crying about Mark being traumatized for taking a life for the first time, especially being so afraid that his Viltrumite side will make him into a psychopath
His future is literally MurderMan, if killing is what's gonna solve it, he's gonna do it
He snapped his moms arm off and was going to kill his mom and his baby brother and was threatening to do so for a while. It was an appropriate reaction
Defense of self and others justifies a proportional response. A proportional response to a dude who has powers like Levy is absolute lethal force. Anyone with a brain would have turned him into a pink mist and slept like a baby.
I'm fricking tired of this one extreme or the other mindset. That you killed once, you therefore have zero restraint ever again. That killing The Joker to save millions of lives down the line means I'm going to pump a purse snatcher full of lead.
The concept of will power has just evaporated apparently. Maybe that's just me because I never did drugs or drank booze or watched GoT but the idea that you do something ONCE and thus you do it again under drastically less severe circumstances is baffling to me.
Feels like people have become so moronic about revenge stories they forgot what moral conviction is. It takes immense willpower to strongly adhere to a moral principle in situations that call them into question, breaking from it objectively means your moral principle is susceptible to pressure and your resolve can be weakened.
The problem is when you take the moral convictions so far you ignore the clear dangers of adhering to them.
If you have someone with the capacity to mass murder, like it's a wave of the finger and a school's worth of people are dead, they have zero capacity for redemption, and no prison on Earth to your knowledge can keep them locked away then why the frick would you endanger the world at large by keeping them alive? THAT'S my biggest issue with the no kill rule and the logic behind it.
>It takes immense willpower to strongly adhere to a moral principle in situations that call them into question, breaking from it objectively means your moral principle is susceptible to pressure and your resolve can be weakened.
This is only true if the individual states that one of their moral conviction includes not killing and that ANYONE could be rehabilitated. 99% of the human population universally agree that there's a certain group of people and/or actions that's worth ending the lives of. There's no normal well-adjusted human being on this Earth that believes that we should keep around a mass murderer who can kill people with just a blink of an eye.
Goku had the right idea. Some guy is trying to kill me and destroy my home, either he's dead or going to switch sides. Either way after the ordeal I'm just going to go about my day and not ruminate on a moral conundrum
Didn't Red Hood kill a whole bunch of people before he actually got to the Joker? Then when he failed it made all those deaths meaningless cause the Joker got away.
Go play fortnite gay
Don't worry
Being a hero is bullshit
>didn't watch the comic
There's an entire scene where he insult this bullshit.
That wasn't even the point of the scene. You all missed the entire point. It wasn't that he killed the bad guy, it was HOW he killed him.
To quote the Bat: "There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix... with my hands."
In HALO, Mark is considered as enemy of mankind.
This isn't an insult anon but you may want to talk to your doctor about an autism diagnosis. The show isn't exactly subtle about why Marks upset and not being able to see that may be a sign of bigger issues.
>"I got angry at someone who was trying to kill me and my family. I'm a monster!"
Not my problem.
>Post offtopicrulebreaking east origin images
>Dead game with shit remake
That's what you get
>Dead game with shit remake
>That's what you get
Come on anon, that was uncalled for
I haven't been to Cinemaphile in a while but man that finale was a let down. I think the shitty cherry on top is that the Lizard League didn't actually kill anyone after all that. My expectations have been subverted.
yeah also if someone dies why don't they just put them in a robot body like bobby hill?
Like when rex dies they should have just put him in a robot body.
>yeah also if someone dies why don't they just put them in a robot body like bobby hill?
Bobby was just barely alive enough
they basically did, didn't you see his gun hands?
Did you even watch the show?
Rex dies by turning his skeleton into a Hiroshima. There was nothing to bring back
Lizard League is such a meme they can't kill low-rent Gambit, a one woman orgy, and bootleg Wasp
>kiLLiNg iS Le gOoD
Shut up moron
>guize we can totally change the nazis minds with logic and reasoning
think of someone you disagree with politically. do you suddenly become them if you kill them? how mindbroken are you?
Only if your moral position is against using force to change the world whereas theirs is the complete opposite.
Why would you want to change their minds if you don't even know what they believe in?
Why are you complaining, he later ends up being okay with killing
because OP is a redditor newbie.
Reminder that Cecil let's Conquest live.
They have to change this, even just having Cecil use multiple speakers of the sound against him or having more security, frick that was so stupid
It's a little different when you believe your father to be a hero then learn he is a murderer. Most people are scared of turning into their parents.
>one man who kills several heroes and thousand of innocent people
>versus
>one man who killed someone who tortured his innocent mother and was about to kill her and his baby brother and was going to torture and kill him
other than "kill" there is no connection whatsoever
"Oh my god, Hitler breathed air! I am just like him!" frick off
Reminder that Mighty Max actually defied this.
>"If you kill me, you'll be no better than me!"
>"I can live with that."
>shoves the guy off a cliff
>Mighty Max
Literally Who?
frick off zoomer
isn't there a steven universe or star vs thread for you to go cry in?
>Anonymous
How well has mighty max aged? I haven't seen in in ages.
Not as bad as you think, the dialog sometimes is a bit eh, but the theme and story makes up for it.
Mighty Max was a spin off of the Polly Pockettoy line; pocket sized dolls in clamshell cases deigned to mimic makeup compacts. The cases were styled as the setting for the adventure, like a dream house or a battle arena. He was later made into a cartoon and also a video game.
And that episode was also awesome for Norman.
Best way to infiltrate a facility.
Fricking Owl House called it out
Honestly, it made no sense to kill Belos right there. He should've been taken captive, arrested, and tried for his crimes since he was weak and powerless. He and his underlings had a lot to answer for, yet that part is never brought up again. Owl House called it out in a way that made little sense when thought out logically.
Belos was far too dangerous to be left alive if an opportunity to kill him arose, dude survived getting splatted by a demigod, no prison could've held him
>Belos was far too dangerous to be left alive
How? He was literally a pile of sludge barely keeping himself together and had very little magic left.
>no prison could've held him
>yet being stomped on can kill him easily
Besides. When did I say he was ever gonna go to prison after the trial? He and the ones who worked with him (they had to have been aware there was something involving a mass killing) on the Day of Unity are very likely gonna get the death sentence given the nature of the crime they committed. Doing the legal procedures just makes sure people affected by their actions such as Hunter and the entirety of the Boiling Isles, get closure.
>How? He was literally a pile of sludge barely keeping himself together and had very little magic left.
That's exactly what he was multiple times after the DOU before coming back stronger each time
>yet being stomped on can kill him easily
The boiling rain killed him by the will of the Titan, they just stomped on him to take out their frustration
>When did I say he was ever gonna go to prison after the trial?
Where are you going to keep him until the trial?
>He and the ones who worked with him (they had to have been aware there was something involving a mass killing) on the Day of Unity are very likely gonna get the death sentence given the nature of the crime they committed.
It's implied they got dealt with afterwards in the epilogue, Kiki who helped defeat Belos got to repay her debt to society but the others are nowhere to be seen, not even Odalia
>Doing the legal procedures just makes sure people affected by their actions such as Hunter and the entirety of the Boiling Isles, get closure.
Those are Earth laws, they are in the Boiling Isles, for all we know Belos got dealt with appropriately according to his own laws since his dictatorial rule relied on the supposed will of the Titan with no due process
Because Mighty Max was awesome.
That scene was based af from the music, acting and that badass line from Norman the chad. BTW if you'd think that Norman was the only one who does all the killing, Max was also kills some villains too, and he's fricking 10 years old.
Christ, you fricking idiots, he's in denial about his Viltrum blood. He can feel the instinctual push towards victorious combat and he's worried that the faint pull is something inevitable and horrible. It's not about "lol le comic book rule say killing be baddy" and entirely to do with the internal conflict between the "human morals" which he overly simplifies and his instinctual call towards strength at all costs.
Tpbp, it's not that hard to get.
Would make for a good trippy horror story though.
>the MC is slasher/killer who is actually the victim of a curse that twists them into horrible monster who kills both out of violent desire and in the hope that it attracts someone to kill them
>killing them passes on the curse so you literally become them by killing the killer and the cycle starts over
Lucius the Eternal
as soon as anyone feels pride in killing him, his spirit immediately possesses the person who killed him
it starts becoming a bit bullshit though, as at one point he is killed by an artillery shell or landmine and the guy who made that landmine in the factory felt proud about it and instantly got possessed
>Home made timed explosive.
>Strap to self, find him and set timer, shoot him in the last 20 or so seconds and kill self with timed explosive
Didn't he get killed by kharn the betrayer who is too pissed off to feel pride?
Thing is the pride thing just makes him get better using you. If you're dead or you didn't feel pride like Oldcrons killing him, he just gets better anyway, as Slaanesh just revives him in the warp, and that's true of all the big Chaos Marine guys, if they're marked by Chaos, the gods will bring them back.
Literally Butcher from Worm
Butcher from Worm.
You get all the cursed guys in your head too, and their powers.
He later does not give a frick and starts killing the bad guys and it just works for him and does not mess him up.
The reason the no kill thing is in comics was in part CA non-sense and publishers reusing old villains because they were part of the IP.
>If I kill, I may BECOME him
ftfy
>read through the 2021 storytime in the archives
>last volume had over a thousand replies
>i completely missed it
>we'll probably never get something of that magnitude out of the show
they better give that damn conquest fight their fricking A game
After the lack of a proper Spider-Man crossover, Conquest NEEDS to deliver the hype
What can they do with Conquest that Nolan and Anissa didn't already do, every fight is just flight slapping without any consequences for anyone, no one is allowed to die and even if they do they're just brought back immediately
>What can they do with Conquest that Nolan and Anissa didn't already do
Because it's the inverse of those fights and the first major win Invincible actually gets. Against Nolan and Anissa, Mark was pretty much helpless and at their mercy. Conquest is supposed to be stronger than both of them and he arguably does way more physical damage to Invincible than Omni-Man ever did yet Mark stood his ground and actually won.
If your a normal human being with any degree of empathy killing a human will be hard even if you know he deserves it 100%. Hell most soldiers and cops would have a hard time dealing with the emotions of killing a person if it was their first time. So why do people think that everything would be better if superheroes where murderous psychopaths and then everyone is supposed to look and nod in agreement like "yeah you go Murder Man!" I swear you people sound like the biggest man babies ever.
If you kill you become a killer.
There is always better and longer way to avoid conflict though.
It's not that hard, the punishment fits the crime.
then someone should punish you. You don't get an excuse to murder just because you feel you have a reason or excuse. Everyone has their reasons, that doesn't make it right.
It’s also wrong to take the law into your own hands, Batman should be punished for being a vigilante.
Putting down a rabid dog isn't murder, it's a public service.
Some people only learn the hard way Anon, the person you’re debating wouldn’t know a dog is rabid unless they or someone they love were bit.
There's no right or wrong in a live or die situation. It's just people who usually kill do it because it's practically a instinct to win and survive. Justice is just an artificial constriction of following what ever government and self conditioning programming is in place with what you choose is right or wrong. Adding more restrictions based on what society has expected on you.
Batman is mentally ill and his code of ethics could only be generously described as well meaning but ineffective, under the false assumption that it was functional to begin with.
Batman took the all life is sacred coolaid and asked for seconds. He's functionally moronic. His detective skills are the savant part of his idiot savant status.
Batman’s tactics would’ve worked, if there was never any super criminals.
>His detective skills
>WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
>cassie bills
>cass ills
>cills
>kills
HOW THE FRICK COULD YOU BE SO STUPID
>Mitchell Rose
>chell os
>hello
Hi
I like that he had to read it 3 times before it dawned on him.
>You don't get an excuse to murder just because [...] you have [an] excuse
Logicians of Cinemaphile at it again
>if I remove some words the meaning changes!
Go to bed, school tomorrow.
Your argument, which you're too lazy and inarticulate to make, is that having a reason is not sufficient to murder someone. This is terrible reasoning, as the definition of murder is the killing of someone without moral justification, so you are begging the question.
You also conflate all potential justifications with one another, ranging from "he looked at me funny" to "he is actively trying to kill me" and thus are also acting in bad faith. Unless you thinking killing someone in self-defense is murder, in which case I throw my hands up in the air and call you a gay moron.
>Verification not required.
the definition of murder is killing someone with malice aforethought. Noone fricking gives a shit if you think you have "moral justification", I'm sure Ted Bundy thought the girls he killed were prostitutes who deserved it too.
No matter your bullshit "reason", no matter your excuse, murder is wrong.
But what if you kill 5 killers? That makes 4 killers less in the world.
and 5 murders more than if you just hadn't killed at all
Yes, 5 murders for 4 less killers, that is how execution works. The executioner takes on for the team.
all you've done is increased the number of murders in the world for a hypothetical eventuality that literally has not happened. You killed 5 people for nothing, and saved noone. You made an excuse.
Not that anon but killing =//= murder.
There is a difference between killing a murderous psychopath and murdering an innocent. This is as old if not older than the bronze age. This is even more evident by the israelites back when they were less douchebag.
Killing a murderer is not murder because to murder someone is to kill a person that is either innocent or for something that is disproportionately lower and less severe to the punishment in question. Anyone saying the word murder when referring to killing an actual murderer, one where there is no secret on how many evil deeds he did and how many innocent he killed, implies that they are innocent. Which is the apex of stupidity here.
To kill someone who is a danger to people and who purposefully hurts and kills them is not only the right thing to do. It is a most natural thing to do. It is to defend those who cannot defend themselves and to avoid future tragedy.
This is why today's comic book heroes are irrational because they are written like that. In any normal situation, not only Batman but all of GCPD would be out for Joker's blood and that of every other psychopath who has a tally in the hundreds. Hell, Zasz wouldn't live to see tomorrow.
>killing =//= murder.
What is indirect murder? Even Superman was responsible for Zod's invasion and Doomsday.
It means you've missed one, yourself.
what's wrong with not wanting to be a murderer? there's always a choice.
Black portal man was a storyline that went NOWHERE
and ended in mark being even more of a homosexual "oh woe is me i killed the crazy guy trying to kill me and my family". Him feeling bad for the killing felt so forced and stupid
Oh don’t worry, it’s not over yet.
Anyone of you have killed someone before?
>Please take Eve GODquest, I cannot pleasure her with my nonexistent asian penis
>College is important in this the year 2024
Better than working for the government
Zoomers and Gen Alpha don't get to do college; they're the physical labor/tradesmen generation to replace the retiring previous one. I prefer my desk job, despite making less money than a tradesman, I'll be less physically damaged when I reach retirement. My employer also matches my pretax donations to my 401k
Do we have to wait until 2027 for season 3 now because season 2 is over?
No, S2 flopped so you’ll get season 3 never
Maybe not
>"I'm not going to kill you. I'll let the people you hurt decide whether you live or die."
Is this better?
>show a fricking montage reiterating Mark is afraid of becoming so calloused to the idea of killing specifically because his Dad told him he is, by birth, a part of a bloodthirsty empire of monsters
>something Mark, repeatedly, demonstrates he does not want to be
>miss the point anyway
I understand "media literacy" is a meme now but goddamn, how do you miss a point they take time to reiterate over and over again?
It's a meme precisely because so many utter morons are now able to voice their moronic impressions, defend them vehemently, and have other morons agree. The snowball's been rolling since 2010s, but it's worse than ever.
>how do you miss a point they take time to reiterate over and over again?
People just consume. They don't think. They say they want to think, but whenever a piece of media comes out that does this, they start shitting their pants and crying about how "WHY DOESN'T THE FRICKING *insert piece of media here* EXPLAIN ANYTHING?!?
You're moronic. He was horrified by his father's true nature, and he's afraid of becoming like him. Not afraid to kill, just afraid of becoming a monster who's unable and unwilling to control violent outbursts. Which is a valid concern given that it seems he's exactly that in other universes.
Don't eat too much ice cream, if you do. You will become ice cream.
We are what we eat after all.
>"I killed someone who was trying to kill me. Back to doing what I was doing!"
Yeah but he's moronic
HERO.
>I killed a threat to the universe, but only after giving him extra time to reach his Full Power, nearly losing, then giving him magic healing so he could try to win again. Then when it seems absolutely certain he'd defeat me, I get some last second ass-pull by screaming extra loud.
A true psychopath.
Our HERO
Did he even kill that many people?
Are you serious? Kid Goku in his ripe age of 14 killed almost the entire Red Ribbon Army by himself because he was fed up with them killing his indium friend; as an adult Goku’s body count lowered to just some foes then and there.
>goku hasn't killed anyone since dragon ball
sad
Goku has killed in his adult years, just far less than when he was a kid.
Don't worry anon, he gets better
Angstrom 100% deserved to get gibbed and people should be able and willing to use lethal force if it means protecting themselves, but you should still feel bad about it and have reservations. Its only natural to feel regret over taking a life, even if it was completely justified.
>if you kill him, you let him win!
that's not what happened at all, like, not even close
Even if we don't get Brit i'm still hoping the new guardians show up in the show at some point
>Even if we don't get Brit
I have some great news for you
Go back.
notice how kirkman, if not the whole comic industry, would sooner apply that logic to villains like the joker than environmentalists/leftists
>WANTING TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT... BAD
Enjoy your echo chamber
God he's so based
>Glasses Las Vegas
Nothing personnel kid
Good god they're naked
what
Mark was shaken because he finally felt like a conqueror, free to work his will on the universe, and it frightened the shit out of him at how it felt.
It was his "know what cats know that make them scream like babies in the night" moment.
Now he has to figure out how to tame this side of him or risk destroying everyone he loves.
Now he is the Superman.
>IF I KILL THE MADMAN TRYING TO HARM ME AND MY FAMILY, I AM JUST LIKE MY GENOCIDAL FATHER
comic book mentality is moronic
Mark is an alien. I don't give a shit his motives Alien has no roght to live on the Earth aacrording to Xcom and Warhammer. Which makes Levy 100% correct.
>Beware the Alien...the Mutant...the Heretic.
Good news, his residency on Earth is just about over.
Also Superman is also a dangerous alien. I mean, yeah, he's a ticking problem. But Martians are alright they can stay.
Have to wait for season 4 for chubby eve, killing myself
I mean… I don't know if anyone picked it up, but he's trying to avoid being a Viltrumite. But at the same time, didn't Mark try to rationalize that destroying Angstrom is the right thing since he hurt his family?
Not with superpowers. Mark should have used a gun to fight like a man. He is just mogged a human with overwhelming power.
>Mark should have used a gun to fight like a man
There are at least one or two problems with this statement. One, it's pretty hard to use a gun on a person with portal powers and enhanced strength to tear a person's throat. Two, Mark would most likely try to discard the gun to calm down the situation.
>He is just mogged a human with overwhelming power.
Said human with large veiny brain sack, portal abilities, and enhanced strength, won't listen to logic that he was responsible for his deformed state, and attacked an innocent being.
In any way, this a crime according to the law. Mark should be in the court if he was average human. I don't know why Cecil let him go.
>If I kill, even out of self defense, I could end up like my dad
To be perfectly fair, for Mark that is a legitimate fear since the multiverse is full of Marks that did go full Viltrumite murder happy.
Bros...
Literally who
thank you random twitter that nobody cares and if anyone follows them they're autistic little turds.
"Bros" what? What the frick are you trying to say? What is this? *Who* is this? I don't give a shit about some random dickhead on Twitter trying to damage control his own tweets. What's your fricking point, Anon?
>I don't know why Cecil let him go.
He felt sorry for Mark for the shit he has been through -- ranging from Nolan giving him the around the world ass-beating to Angstrom Levy assaulting his mother, how can one not feel sorry for Mark?
Yeah this is like saying, if you have superpowers you free to go. Sounds like Injustice much or The Boys.
is there a canon reason for rex not dying from the bullet to the head?
sometimes that doesn't kill you, search for the dude whose head was completely impaled, just just that lucky.
yeah, i've heard of phineas gauge. fair enough.
His small brain dodged the bullet of course.
Part of his origin story was being part of a super soldier program, so he's tougher than a normal human by a small bit.
if that's true why was he homeless?
His family sold him to the government in exchange for a new life as middle class parents to another kid
This might sound like a dumb question as I've only seen the show, but why didn't the Viltrumites regularly check on Nolan while he was on Earth raising Mark to verify the fulfillment of his mission? Why did they only interfere 18 years after the fact? Isn't their empire all-expansive? Shouldn't they have known this?
They live so long that 18 years is like a few moths to them. Also there is another reason but I don't want to spoil it for you.
so everyone in the universe seems to speak english. at first i thought allen was speaking english because his phychic powers conveyed ideas before they were parsed through language but it seems like english is simply the official language of space. are there still foreign languages on earth?
I do enjoy the idea that literally the only difference between Unopans and Earthlings is the one eye. Allen consistently having references to shit we do on Earth is great
>get sent to another dimension
>get brought back
>realize he creates the portals
>slice his arms off
the fight wouldn't have lasted ten seconds against me. Mark is supposed to be able to move faster than the human reaction time, right?
>Slice his arms off
Lol, lmao even
alright then deliver a knockout punch mid sentence. Every single time he was sent to another dimension it was the most moronic slow fly towards him ever. Its impossible to write a good fight if someone is capable of moving at the speed of sound.
Depends on the situation and the media in question. Mark obviously doesn't want to become his dad, but he's crossed that line now and Invincible as a world has no problem with ultra violence.
>born to emotionless murder fascists
>raised to have empathy
>get upset you murdered someone, even if he was a c**t
Anon, it's called character development. Of course Mark isn't going to be immediately okay with his first kill. Jesus fricking christ media literacy really is dead.
>Why didn't mark just spew forth fully formed and 100% at ease with his powers and place in the world like I would because I'm totally great.
You're the one who is tiring.
>killing people, even if those people leave you with no choice, isn't good for your mental health
>Angstrom is the first person Mark has killed
>Mark killing Angstrom would've gotten him stranded on an alternate earth with nothing on it for the rest of his Viltrumite life if it wasn't for the future guardians saving him
>the only reason the guardians did save him was because that already happened
>Mark killed Angstrom because he gave into his rage meaning he couldn't think rationally and just wanted him dead regardless of the consequences
>Mark associates killing people without thinking about it with his father before he left earth and he's terrified of turning out like that
>this all happened relatively soon after a Viltrumite found Mark while he was off-duty, threatened to kill his then girlfriend on the spot, completely humiliated him and then promised that the next time he rejects their offer the planet he would die to protect will pay the price for his insolence
The fact that he had a no kill rule to begin with should be enough to tell you that he wouldn't kill if he could afford not to and that forcing him to kill would mentally frick him up severely, BUT I guess you just weren't paying attention. That or you're pretending to be moronic.
>killing someone that's trying to kill you and your family is morally wrong
how?
Americans get arrested if they defend their home from a criminal these days
even third world shitholes have fairer laws
not in sane states
Test
If Marc would just actually elaborate on his feelings it might have felt like more than just the tired false equivalency trope.