If Marcus Aurelius was such a great man, why'd he raise such a shit son?
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If Marcus Aurelius was such a great man, why'd he raise such a shit son?
If Marcus Aurelius was such a great man, why'd he raise such a shit son?
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he's da joker baybee
>captcha: jagkok
Well he was raised by the best of the time. It was just Commudus had no interest in ruling. It’s his fathers fault for not seeing that. But Believe it or not Commudus was extremely competent in his first few years. But when you put a young man in charger of an entire empire where he could do whatever he want of course he’s just gonna frick off somewhere.
He’s not even Top ten worst emperors anyways.
it happens
>good leader is terrible parent
many such cases
Commodus was based as frick, the senator and equestrian classes just couldn’t handle the extent of the mogging he handed them, and the israelites have been lying about him ever since
Kinda true and very true in Nero's case
Naming anyone but his son Caesar would have been a recipe for civil war immediately following his death since nobody else had any will nor claim to the throne and anyone he picked would have had his opponents just rally around Commodus. It was either name Commodus heir or literally murder him to secure the rule of whoever else you name
Nah, he should have done what this
anon said, it worked well enough for Aurelius himself being heir presumptive while Antoninus Pius led the empire for twenty years. Name a wise older statesmen with no kids heir with the understanding that he would train Commodus to take over after the older statesmen died, if things work out then Commodus would be wise and ready to take the throne but if the worst happened and Commodus grew up to be a shitter then he could be disposed of and a more appropriate heir chosen.
>Naming anyone but his son Caesar would have been a recipe for civil war immediately following his death since nobody else had any will nor claim to the throne and anyone he picked would have had his opponents just rally around
Why not? Every emperor since Nerva had done that and it seemed to work wonders considering that the romans themselves regarded the Nerva-Antonine dynasty as "the empire of gold".
None of the Antonines actually had a biological son for anyone to rally around.
Meh, most of them were distantly related to each other through marriage or distaff.
Marcus Aureluis should just have married of one his his daughters to a competent relative.
Why?
Besides, one of the Commodus's sisters tried to kill Commodus anyway, then paid the price.
Because he was too busy being an emperor and had no time to be personally raising his son. He was on the war front for many years.
He actually took his son to the front with him, and made in co-emperor-in-training for a few years before his death. Aurelius is the kind of man who was a great leader, but whose same qualities would have made him an awful father and an awful boss. He was the kind of guy who believes in duty above all else, but gave no encouragement or kudos whatsoever for fulfilling one's obligations to the letter, because it's what's expected of you. This is pure speculation on my part, but Commodus likely fell short of Marcus's expectations constantly as a child, felt like a disappointment, and developed some sort of resentment towards his father and the duty he represented. From what I know about the real Commodus, he loved the games, chillmaxxing, and the unearned respect and deification that being emperor gave him.
Marcus had 20 years of training (including gradually taking on more responsibilities) to grow into the role before he became Emperor.
Commodus was 19 years old when the task befell him.
So yeah, no kidding, you're a teenager and you're suddenly in charge of the entire Empire. Sounds like a sitcom. Aurelius just died too soon.
He should have nominated an senior official as co-emperor to replace him until commodus reached consul age.
Commodus was eager to be emperor iirc. If Marcus appointed anyone else to be emperor, Commodus might have thrown a fit and cause a civil war.
That's how it started. Commodus appeared before the troops at the centre of a group of his father's friends. Then sometime later they tried to kill him because Commodus favored different friends.
Wouldn't work because, unlike Marcus, Commodus was a biological son of the emperor. Waiting for anything wasn't on the table.
>If Marcus Aurelius was such a great man,
pretentious c**t who really didnt have any novel interesting ideas
if he were alive today he'd be namegayging on /sig/ or some shit
This. Meditations is a huge cope for being a shit father and being indulgent and narcissistic for wanting his child to be his successor instead of choosing the best man for the job like the 4 emperors before him had.
>sure I suck ass and am a total moron but I'm super stoic while living my life of supreme comfort
>Marcus Aurelius was a great man,
>however...
It was the biggest mistake of his rule, the five good emperors were all so successful because they actively vetted and chose the best candidate to replace them rather than simply passing it on to their biological offspring. As soon as Aurelius stopped this process the empire began going to shit again.
>I did not say I knew him, I said he touched me on the shoulder once!
Fricking have a nice day
Nerva is presented unfairly here. Choosing Trajan as heir speaks for itself.
Alright, Antonius Pius made me laugh
i don't know much about roman history but RESTITVTOR ORBIS is without a doubt the coolest title in history
The Byzantines had some cool ass nicknames too, Nikephoros II "The Pale Death of the Sarracens" or Basil II "The Bulgar Slayer" among others
Why is Septimus Severus depicted as brown when he would have been mediterranean like all the other emperors
WE WUZ ROMAN EMPERORS N SHEEEEIT
Augustus deserves the highest praise. He set the standard for what it meant to be an emperor. Only thing you could say negative about him was that he was a bubble boy who didnt command any battles
He should have kept his wife and daughters on a leash.
ic claudius reallyy based?
Compared to the rest of the Julio-Claudian emperors sans Augustus he was a saint.
He played the fool the best, under his reign there were more treason trials than under caligula but since he wasn't a degenerate, conquered Britannia and it seemed like some of those trials were actually based on reality, he's remembered as a based emperor
For me? It's Valentinian I, who was so upset by some impertinent goth envoys he literally raged himself to death
>any Good emperors on the Left
garbage spectrum
why are Cinemaphile users such massive redditors
Aurelian is the best emperor in history
Julius Caesar was never the emperor you fricking idiot
Did you bother to read his panel before posting this
no because he wasn't the emperor and shouldn't be on the list
That "Caligula picks a horse as consul" is horseshit btw
heh
Most great men of history were shit father's
ask your dad.
Good screenshot. Imagine having some autist le stoic as a father. It would be fricking shit. Stoicism is for boring c**ts anyway Epicureanism is the superior philosophy.
>Epicureanism
that's just hedonism
It is a refined form of hedonism, yes, not the overindulgent, self-destructive hedonism that we see today.
I suppose so.
Hedonism is based
>muh hedonic treadmill
As if a hedonist would ever get on a treadmill.
You can be stoic and still show emotions. Aurelius was just extremely autistic.
>Aurelius was just extremely autistic.
I love him so much. <3
Marcus Aurelius went literally insane over his never ending war against the g*rms. By the end of it he was considering annexing a huge new province on the wrong side of the Danube and call it Marcomannia, as indefensible as Dacia but without gold mines. Cool dude but he wasted his realm and lost his sanity fighting third worlders basically
might also have something to do with hitting a genetic shit lottery with his children and also that plague that killed like 10% of the empire
Commodus also was a sickly weak child who almost died from some disease that might have caused irreparable brain damage when he was a child
>he fell for the nurture assumption
>early in 192 Commodus, declaring himself the new Romulus, ritually re-founded Rome, renaming the city Colonia Lucia Annia Commodiana
I'm surprised he wasn't immediately killed after he pulled that shit.
Commodus did nothing wrong. People were just scared of a real-life gigachad meme.
too busy killing hebrews
That was Hadrian. Or before him Vespasian.
Who raised Cain?
Someone who wasn't abel
you can have a great career or a great family you can't have both each requires hard work
My favourite Dumbledore.
homosexual died and ruined harry potter
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You bet your funky little arse.
didn't he lose a bunch of sons that were groomed for leadership? then commodus was the reject that got it by default
>The assassination attempt
resembled – perhaps not by coincidence – the murder of Caligula in 41. As
Commodus entered the hunting-theatre, Quintianus, a boon companion of
the emperor, appeared in the narrow passage: holding out his weapon he cried, ‘The Senate sends you this – dagger!’ This allowed the bodyguards time to seize him, justifying the verdict of the Historia Augusta, fatuus.
Quintianus and Quadratus were executed, along with others, Lucilla was exiled and later put to death. Her husband Pompeianus withdrew from
public life.
b***h sister, b***h Senate. His purges were justified.
The Historia Augusta is not a reliable source of information. Just like The israeli War it is propaganda steeped in ulterior motives whose authorship is fabricated/suspect.
>Dominitian
What was his problem?
>Ignored by his father and brother
>Gets no praise for sacking Judea/Jerusalem
>Raised by his women and senatorial cucks
>Introvert with anxiety
>Nearly dies while hiding in Rome during year of four emperors
>Overshadowed by Titus
>Gets told he'll die at noon
>Balding
>Becomes emperor after Titus dies
>Actually pretty good at running shit
>Reforms the mint and designs some nice coins
>Rebases the denarius to 90% silver
>Builds the limes germanicus which protects the empire during the reign of Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus
>BTFOs the corrupt senatorial class
>Builds a massive palace complex used by every emperor after him
>Holds tons of public events
>Doesn't kneel to senate so they conspire to kill him
>He gets ahead of them and starts killing the conspirators
>Goes a little too far and his advisors get concerned and kill him
Tragic if you ask me. He was based
~~*Five Good Emperors*~~
You mean to tell me the roman coinage was debased further and futher as military expenditure rose?
No way man, I don't believe you.
My father is a great man in his professional life but on the home front he has a wife that hates him, one son who’s insane and will probably end up being a spree killer, and another who’s a depressed shut-in with no friends or relationships working a dead-end job (me).
Many men are great in their professional lives but shit at their personal ones.
he was an absent father
Commudus was a massive homosexual. Go read up on history.
If he was born today he would watch Twitch influencer shit, simp for Pokimane and listen to Die Antwoord.
Marcus Aurelius was one of the greatest but he was a weakass simp when it comes to blood relations.
The modus operandi was to never put blood relatives as the next ruler into power, but rather as a pater putativus to always choose the best, most promising and most capable successor.
The couple times this tradition was ignored, it ended in tragedy.
reading the first two lines of what you wrote fills me with such a strong will to smash your head in with a sledgehammer till it's nothing but pink and white pulp
you wont do shit
>If he was born today
He would become The Rock
>The modus operandi was to never put blood relatives as the next ruler into power
Larp revisionist liberalism wank. Of the so called five good emperors, Marcus was the only one to have a son at all, so that's 1/1 of emperors who did have biological sons survive childhood. Nerva was too old, Trajan no kids but DID choose a blood relative since Hadrian was his cousin, Hadrian was a gay, Antoninus' blood sons died early. It was in no way a tradition to select the most worthy heir over family
Based, he was top 10 best and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>If he was born today
>listen to Die Antwoord.
based
S. Africa seems like a shithole
Good times breed weak men
> inbreeding
Absolutely does not apply in this case, read the thread.
there was a joe rogan clip that made it to youtube with ryan holiday professional grifter that loves stoicism and marcus aurelius
he said it was because the prince was brought up a prince with a busy father, where as marcus aurelius was an orphan and adopted because he was seen to be virtuous
was pretty interesting
Your faults as a son, is my failure as a father.
Same reason Hunter Biden smokes crack
>ameriturds actually believe that the "Good Emperors" actually wanted to bring the republic back and that's why they were good
>ameriturds actually believe that the "bad" emperors were anti-republican and that's why they were bad
kek truly brainless cratures
Ridley Scott is a Bong.
a lot of dads ask themselves that same question
t. shit son
Yeah same here
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Marcus was a strange exception to the rule.
>Power corrupts
It doesn't. Power attracts the corruptible. That's why monarchy is the best, most natural, and longest lasting form of rule.
Nah, I think a a Greek polis democracy is better
Perhaps. But it's not scalable.
>t. Frank Herbert fan
I prefer "chairdog enjoyer".
What book is this?
A book I’ve read many times.
Im guessing one of the dune novels but Ive only read the first , I think they are talking about the bene gesserit , basically witches that have trained their minds and bodies to near perfection
Heretics of Dune. His horny phase for some reason. It's toned down in the next book, except for that one child rape.
He wasn’t horny it was about taking the idea of control to the extreme. Pure autist that guy was. The bene geseret become sort of a foil for Jessica who gave birth to Paul out of love, she was the so called heretic.
>Allowing some 50 IQ sperg run the country simply because he's the previous ruler's son is the the best, most natural, and longest lasting form of rule. Why? Because his advisors will most likely be corruptible.
How does that make sense in your head?
Strawmanning won’t save you
>Allowing
A population that does that deserves to be crushed by some degenerate. Replace him. The second in line, or create a new line.
le good times create le weak men
Good question, I have same with Rama 9