If Palpatine's plan was for Rey to become the new empress, and he created Snoke, why the frick was Snoke trying to kill Rey?
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If Palpatine's plan was for Rey to become the new empress, and he created Snoke, why the frick was Snoke trying to kill Rey?
Because he’s the bad guy and Rian Johnson is an unimaginative hack
This. Why are you looking for consistency in NuWars, OP? The Mouse killed the series stone dead and reanimated its corpse.
i think they should have planned this trilogy in advance but i assume all the enormously well-paid executives and creatives involved know better than me
Yeah definitely don't try to use Cinemaphile to write far more satisfying character arcs or meaningful plot storylines or that one moronic Hollywood shill anon who seems to be lurking in every thread will laugh and call it fan fiction
The official version is MUCH better and was written by true professionals that were definitely not israeli nepotism hires that definitely had LOTS of writing credits to their name like DB Weiss before he landed Game of Thrones
Shit that's good
kino
>you should plan the direction of your three movies that represent a multi billion dollar industry instead of just winging it
The fact that they didn't feel the need to do this angers me more than the fact that they didn't do it. They just assumed the directors would be able pull it out of their collective asses, and assumed the audience would gladly choke it down. It's insulting to everyone.
Because the writers didn't know wtf they were doing.
It’s like Star Trek Discovery. The characters just do stuff
There was a time when the Emperor would tempt Skywalker and ridicule his Jedi ideals, if he were a character in the sequel trilogy, he’d just kill him on sight because he’s a good guy
There's no answer. This isn't some meaningful narrative with themes or rhyme or action/reaction. There was no planning involved in the sequel trilogy, things were never imagined to make sense, the writers just made shit up as they went along to justify making some commotion on the screen.
Amazing to think in hindsight that The Last Jedi was the best of the sequel trilogy. It's still shit but at least it fricking tried something different as opposed to remaking A New Hope or near three hours of fan pandering.
>Amazing to think in hindsight that The Last Jedi was the best of the sequel trilogy. It's still shit but at least it fricking tried something different as opposed to remaking A New Hope or near three hours of fan pandering.
Where did this meme come from? TLJ is almost entirely derivative of ESB/RotJ. It's only a little more original than TFA, which is not saying much.
The only "original" movie of the three is RotS, but that goes to show how lost they were without using the OT as a guideline.
>Where did this meme come from? TLJ is almost entirely derivative of ESB/RotJ. It's only a little more original than TFA, which is not saying much.
Lmao, this. I only disagree in the sense that TFA was still a better film because it actually got me in the theater, had more memorable scenes, and had the potential to be good, both as a film and setting up the new trilogy.
Rey training = Luke training with Yoda
Benicio Del Toro's character & betrayal = Lando, except he was a meaningless throwaway non-character
Running away from First Order = Running away from Empire in Falcon
Salt = Snow, but it's at the END of the movie, see!?
Snoke throne = RotJ throne but with extra subversion!
TLJ was total dog shit and is what made me give up on Star Wars entirely. Glad I watched the leaked copy online instead of paying for that in the theater.
>Benicio Del Toro's character & betrayal = Lando, except he was a meaningless throwaway non-character
That one really chapped my ass because I think Lando is a well realized character whose reason for screwing over Han is sympathetic (and who reappears in the next movie to save him and pay him back), where we know nothing about Stuttering Jimmy and he just shafts Finn for a paycheck and then is never seen again.
I’m glad this meme is finally getting a bullet to the head. Having stupid resolutions for the sake of it doesn’t make a film original, if just makes it stupid.
The hack even stole a side plot from the EU, for fricks sake
>TLJ reddit meme
go back Rian and never return homosexual
>a slow space chase because one ship is running out of fuel, which is a word that has never even been mentioned before in the entire series.
I don't like star wars enough to defend it but just kys.
This little bit of info about Snoke's navigators is more interesting than anything in TLJ
I remember reading some theory that Snoke was a Wizard of Oz type character who wasn't actually a force user and that he actually channeled the dark side through the obsidian ring and would be a weakling normie without it. Might have been neat.
it blows my mind how profoundly disney mishandled this IP but it's even crazier that people defend it.
>IP
They paid $10B for it, had a chance to spawn a new generation of megafans, and didn't even bother shelling out for a good team of writers to put together a good, coherent 3-episode plot.
I think it shows hubris and a lack of respect for the audience. "these fricking morons will lap up anything that has the star wars logo on it". that's how it comes across to me anyway.
and they're not entirely wrong except that part of the fanbase is not enough to finance those huge productions
And they were right. TFA is the highest grossing movie in the franchise
and did that success last?
They weren’t. TFA sold purely on the honeymoon factor alone. Rogue One already showed that said factor was declining, and they still thought the brand was bulletproof.
A competent company would have used rogue one as a barometer and adjust 8 accordingly
LOL, no it isn’t.
A New Hope made twice what The Force Awakwns made, and cost FAR less.
I’m fact, if you count costs, than TFA probably is middle of the pack in terms of Star Wars movies profitability
It could have been so easy for them. I remember when they moved all of the EU to Legends and I assumed it was so they could easily reuse plot elements for the sequel trilogy since the vast majority of fans had never engaged with it. Instead they decided to go with their own ridiculous shit and had no grand plan despite having literal decades of material to pull from. Now SW is down the toilet. Even normies have realised Disney powerbombed the franchise into a crater.
It’s completely dead now.
They actually had a second chance at life when the first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian became a little cultural revival, and they brought back Grandmaster Luke.
Then Kathy got involved and everything (except Andor) quickly degenerated again into embarrassing underperforming trash. Kathy has the exact opposite of the Midas Touch. Everything she touches turns to shit.
At least the Snoke scenes are passable entertainment at the audiovisual level. The casino B-story is boring and garish, and it ends with that poor woman being forced to kiss the monkey's lips on camera.
Nepotism isn't meritocracy. The OG hollyjews were talented and clever enough to write good movies, that doesn't meant that their good for nothing descendants are too. That's the reason reason all movies and shows are trash now.
>Snoke trying to kill Rey?
obviously he wasn't or he would have when he had her
>we are making 3 Star Wars movie
>we want to rehash the OT but with black man badguy good? and strong woman
>we shall give the direction to boomers who believed the Prequels Bad meme
>our core audience is millennials
Why
Horrible writing. Just don't ask and don't pay them any money.
TROS is the best of the sequels
don’t get me wrong, it’s still bad, but TFA and TLJ are both derivative and terrible; TLJ in particular. TROS is flawed but some of its flaws are attributable to TLJ. Like, “somehow Palpatine returned”…because the “big bad” in Snoke died in TLJ for no apparent reason
TROS had the best saber fight in the series with Rey vs Kylo (it had the weight of the OT fights with more speed yet wasn’t flippy shitty like the PT fights) and was at the very least entertaining
I recently heard that George signed off Lucasfilm to Disney under the impression that not only were they going to make the sequel trilogy using the premises he already had, but that he was going to be involved in it.
If so it makes the utter stupidity of everything they've done with the "IP" that much stupider.
>Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?
He only decided to body swap with Rey after learning she is part of a force dyad.
but the movie states that palpatine created that force dyad
he connected rey to kylo, why wouldn't he know that they are connected?
Something something dark side something something.
Because morons dont care. They want le epic light saber battles. Everything in between is a vehicle to the next light saber scene. Everyone claps at the light show.
Because Snoke being a puppet of Palpatine was a retcon.
because israelite israelite abrahams is a fricking coward and ruined everything interesting about the last jedi
Let me try to bullshit something together.
>Palpatine wants Rey's body
>Palpatine is a troony
>Snoke is a deformed monstrosity
>Snoke represents the troony's envy and hatred of women
>Palpatine, as Snoke, tried to kill Rey, his future body
>Palpatine, the troony, tried to kill himself
It's well established in Canon that a sith must kill sith to become a sith lord. Snoke was there to enable rey to become a sith lord. Pretty simple really
He was about to have Kylo kill her
A good question, for another time
First GPT-core movie before ChatGPT even became public. Disney must have used GPT-2 Playground or some shit. Just the most incoherent and going nowhere trilogy of all time
I think he only decided that when it became clear that Kylo wasn't going to do it.
Is that Mauler queermo still making multiple movie sized reviews about this one movie or did he finally give up?
He's been milking paypigs and doing pretty much frick all except the odd capeshit video for about 4 years now
they dropped snoke after the first movie so they could go with a different much more up the ass plotline. hes actually not canon except for the hour and half where he is
They had a line of tie in comics ready to tie in with TLJ, where he posed as some weird gardener who dindu nuffin'. Naturally JJ wiped his ass with them, but they were there.
It's fricking bizarre that they clearly had some sort of shit in the works for him, because it obviously never occurred to them that TLJ would be so thoroughly rejected.