If TDK ended with the Joker's capture, could Two Face have carried the Dark Knight Rises as the main antagonist?

If TDK ended with the Joker's capture, could Two Face have carried the Dark Knight Rises as the main antagonist?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there would probably be 5 Dark Knight movies if he stayed alive.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely, if they took him in the gang leader direction like in the comics. Would've loved to see more of Aaron Eckhart in that role, too. Ledger gets all the credit for TDK but Eckhart was fantastic as well

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah. There's literally a Batman story that's basically a sequel to what happens with Harvey in TDK. Pic related, it's Two Face rallying the freaks of Gotham and taking out all the mobsters.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That character makes no sense, anyone would die in that condition

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it would be extremely painful

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For you.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is laughably over the top, especially for a Batman trilogy that is supposedly grounded in reality. Shit takes me out of the movie every time because it's so cartoony. I have the same issue with Gus Fring's scene in Breaking Bad, you know which one.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i could buy it a little if it weren't for the eye. I think his other problem would just be getting an infection, but he also wasn't alive very long after this, so i guess being loaded on pain killers maybe just got him to the point where he died

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gordon says he doesn't accept any pain killers

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol oh yeah. how long did he live past that though? it was like a day from him leaving the hospital

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is no reason for him to die. He's not bleeding. Burns that deep would also destroy a lot of pain receptors and he wouldn't be experiencing what everyone intuitively feels he should when they look at that wound.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he would get an infection for sure, that would probably kill him in a day

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What infection can kill you in a day?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                blood poisoning/ sepsis

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't seem common to die that fast. Harvey is also constantly on the move so his immune system would be firing on all cylinders, he might not even get sepsis.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                his muscle tissue is visible, he would be pretty fricked especially if he stopped taking antibiotics. he wasn't getting out of this alive after he stepped out of the hospital imo

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If he had stayed in the hospital he would surely be dead.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                joker would have kissed his owies if he stayed

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bruce felt bad about what happened so he put some Anti-Bacterial Bat-Cream on there that lasts forever

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not me

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      would be nice if they say that Harvey has days left to live and he spends it all on getting revenge.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was talks about how Coleman Reese was hinted to become the riddler, so it would have been funny to have a repeat of Batman Forever but in the Nolanverse

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Two Face as the main antagonist
    >Retains the same ending from TDK
    That would work extremely well, but it needs a side villain as well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Penguin. Easy. If they crib the plot of Dark Victory

      Yeah. There's literally a Batman story that's basically a sequel to what happens with Harvey in TDK. Pic related, it's Two Face rallying the freaks of Gotham and taking out all the mobsters.

      , then the basic gist of things would be Harvey taking out all the mobsters of Gotham, which formally brings an end to the "organized crime" era of Gotham and formally starts the "costumed freaks" era of Gotham. Penguin can bridge the gap; he starts out as maybe a low level captain in the mob, but when he sees which way the wind is blowing he leans into his gimmick and fully embraces being a costumed criminal, complete with the trademark umbrella gun. He switches "sides" in the crime war and joins up with Two Face to wipe out his competition. Then in the end he betrays Harvey.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Retains the same ending from TDK
      Not possible, the ending requires Harvey to be held up as hero. Batman wouldn't do that while he was alive and committing crimes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You have several options
      >Penguin
      >Hugo Strange
      >Hush

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Victor Zsasz
        >Deadshot (He was in Gotham Knights but it's questionably canon)
        >Mad Hatter
        >Deathstroke

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gotham Knight is canon to the Nolanverse so Deadshot is too, but they did pretty much all they could do with him in that short.
          Mad Hatter could work from a psychological thriller standpoint but he's not as mainstream as the other goons so they've yet to take advantage of him. I hope they do in the next Battison flick

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Gotham Knight is canon to the Nolanverse
            I've seen this a handful of times and never knew that.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, takes place between Begins and TDK

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mad Hatter would fit but i feel like its kind of hard to imagine someone thats crazy in that way being functional enough to not just be obviously found out immediately. if done well, it would be great though

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I refuse to believe Gotham Knight is in any sort of way canon to Nolanverse beyond the creators' wishful thinking. It has magnetic bulletproof field and an actual mutant killer croc.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batman Begins - Ra's Al Ghoul / Scarecrow
      >The Dark Knight - The Joker
      >Dark Knight Rises - Penguin / Harvey Dent

      >Affleck Movie #1 - Dark Knight Returns Part I
      >Superman movie to bridge the gap
      >Affleck Movie #2 - Dark Knight Returns Part II

      >The Batman - Carmine Falcon / Penguin
      >The Batman 2 - Mr Freeze: Heart of Ice
      >The Batman 3 - Under the Red Hood (w/Joker)
      Ideally we would have gotten this for the Batman movies.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SAY IT

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm still somewhat convinced that the movie was originally just about Two Face and The Joker was added after the first draft of the script.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If anything, Two Face is more secondary

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He ends up being more secondary because of how much Ledger dominates his screen time, but the majority of the movie's plot still revolves around trying to push the Mafia out, and the joker was just a tactic employed by the Mafia.
        If you take Harvey and the Mafia out of the story, you just have the joker screwing with people. If you take the joker out, you would still have a story about a man getting driven off the brink.

        doubt it considering Batman Begins already teased Joker at the end

        Yeah, but that didn't necessarily guarantee he'd be next. Avengers wasn't after iron man

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      doubt it considering Batman Begins already teased Joker at the end

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Two Face is such a goofy villain.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TDK has a very weird plot structure where after Two-Face shows up it basically becomes a sequel to itself. That half hour is probably all that Nolan could have ever done with Two-Face given the limitations of his Batman universe.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be fair, if Heath Ledger didn't die, none of you would be entertaining this question.

    Two-Face's arc was finished, like it or not.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, Nolan's antagonists fought Batman on an intellectual level. Harvey just lost it, he even tries to kill himself knowing he can't go much further after he's done with his revenge. His arc begins and ends in one movie.

    If Harvey got mutilated and that was the end of his arc inside TDK, maybe, but it would take some very creative writing to make him a compelling villain versus what we got, and that is an extremely tall order from someone who bullshit his way to TDK's script like Goyer

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did Goyer bullshit his way to the script?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If Harvey got mutilated and that was the end of his arc inside TDK, maybe
      That was their original plan wasn't it, before they decided to pack Two Face's arc into one movie? It's a little funny that they have the same guy playing the Mayor in TDKR when everything suggested that a political opponent would win. Batman having to deal with the consequence of giving Harvey a second chance would've been far more interesting in a third movie.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A very juicy performance just without the highs of Joker. Nolan didn't care to + that's that. I personally wanted more of 2 Face.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it would have been kino having Batman’s last villain be his ultimate failure but also trying to make him his first redemption.
    I would’ve loved seeing Harvey come back to the light and maybe stop a greater evil alongside Batman in the end.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >You think I want to escape from this? There is no escape from this!

    Harvey knew he didn't have long left before he died from his untreated burns, he would have been dead shortly after the movie ended anyway, which is why he went on his killing spree as a final blaze of glory

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would frankly be hilarious in a third movie if Batman was on the run and a murderous Two Face was getting the credit for cleaning up the city as Mayor. It would have continued the through-line established that in the Nolanverse Batman creates as many problems as he solves.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Realistically how could’ve they have actually done bane well in the Nolan verse? I don’t think he was a good choice at all, bane needs to be over the top and not just a big guy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably did the best they could with staying as grounded as they wanted. football stadium thing was cool

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i thought he was too injured? that everything he did was a last-moments flail of emotion because he knew he would die

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