Robert was a usurper who took the crown in a war by fighting a mad king with his ungodly strength, a coalition of loyal allies, and the ultimate superpower of nobility: simping for a woman. Nations have been destroyed because one guy wanted to frick one woman.
>Nations have been destroyed because one guy wanted to frick one woman.
Reminder that the entire reason Attila the Hun sacked Italy was because the emperor's daughter sent him a letter inviting him to Rome.
He was king but his treasurer was stealing from him, his wife was fricking her bodyguard-brother, and his spymaster was not telling him about the first two and running several schemes of his own with unclear purpose.
Cersei is a prostitute because for her sex was transactional. She fricked men to control them. Robert fricked purely to satisfy his own lusts because Cersei was a frigid c**t in bed. That makes him a bawd, not a prostitute.
Perfect storm of a lot of different factors. >Targaryen dynasty is weak, dragons are all dead, king is weak and insane >Aerys alienates his closest allies and provokes several great house to rebellion >Bobby B is very charismatic and wins the loyalty of mens who possess the talents he lacks >has legitimate beef against Rhaegar; slays him in single combat
There is a major plotline dropped from the TV show that was introduced in Book 5, but the seeds were sown even in Book 1.
The best theory that pulls together existing evidence and is the most narratively satisfying is this: Illyrio Mopatis produced a son with woman who was a descendant of the FEMALE Blackfyre line. (Barristan Selmy killed Maelys the Monstrous, last of the male line of House Blackfyre.) The mother was Illyrio's slave or wife or both. The child was raised to take up the identity of Aegon Targaryen, living his childhood under the name of Young Griff. The Golden Company was founded by Blackfyre supporters and would never truly support a Targaryen. Varys has always advocated the idea that the best person to rule the realm would be someone raised from birth to be the best possible ruler. Varys has known Illyrio for decades and may be related by blood to Illyrio or Young Griff. As of the ending of Book 5, Young Griff/Aegon has landed in the Stormlands and begun capturing land. I would expect the legendary Valyrian sword of Blackfyre to be produced for Aegon to use and lock this all down. As the books ending won't be too different from the TV show, it's expected that Aegon captures King's Landing, wins the war, all the people love him, then Daenyrys freaks out and nukes him and the city.
Not sure yet. GRRM has released a few chapters of Winds of Winter and they do seem to be pointing towards Euron being the real deal. He's doing some kind of horrible ritual that will probably have very bad results, maybe tidal waves, maybe Krakens. Hightower is probably dead. It's unlikely that Euron will change the ending but he'll definitely have more to do than the show. I'm honestly not sure where they will go with him.
I think Euron will enslave one of the dragons with his horn. Maybe this will finally get Daenyrys out of Mereen.
I agree wholeheartedly with you here on Euron. There are many wacky theories about him being some servant of the Great Other, that Gods exists (they don't) and Euron is an avatar of one of them, but so far the text thoroughly hints that he's just a fricking crazy psychopath and that maybe, just maybe, he was once a candidate warg/greenseer like Bran, but once Bloodraven got close to him he saw he was fricked in the head and since then this maybe or maybe not have turned Euron into more of a lunatic because he started to believe since an early age that there was some mighty power ready for the taking and grew ever more ambitious because of it. This last part could be an exaggeration of mine, though, but the part about him having links to Bloodraven is canon, Crow's Eye, "dream that I could fly" and all.
Varys's is Young Griff's uncle through his sister is pretty much the census. I'm tired of GRRM's constant red herrings and building things up only to destroy them and just hope Griff (and the Blackfyres) win the throne. It'd be boring if a Targaryen wasn't on the throne at the end imo
There is a major plotline dropped from the TV show that was introduced in Book 5, but the seeds were sown even in Book 1.
The best theory that pulls together existing evidence and is the most narratively satisfying is this: Illyrio Mopatis produced a son with woman who was a descendant of the FEMALE Blackfyre line. (Barristan Selmy killed Maelys the Monstrous, last of the male line of House Blackfyre.) The mother was Illyrio's slave or wife or both. The child was raised to take up the identity of Aegon Targaryen, living his childhood under the name of Young Griff. The Golden Company was founded by Blackfyre supporters and would never truly support a Targaryen. Varys has always advocated the idea that the best person to rule the realm would be someone raised from birth to be the best possible ruler. Varys has known Illyrio for decades and may be related by blood to Illyrio or Young Griff. As of the ending of Book 5, Young Griff/Aegon has landed in the Stormlands and begun capturing land. I would expect the legendary Valyrian sword of Blackfyre to be produced for Aegon to use and lock this all down. As the books ending won't be too different from the TV show, it's expected that Aegon captures King's Landing, wins the war, all the people love him, then Daenyrys freaks out and nukes him and the city.
I'd like my expectations to be verted for once and Daenerys to rule with Aegon as one husband, mirroring William and Mary coming across the Channel to claim the throne, and maybe Jon or Bran as a second husband to bind the North to the Targaryens definitively in the Song of Ice and Fire since Jon seems to be destined to go back to the Wall after killing Val.
I have no idea why people have any belief that the ending of the show has ANY bearing on the books. The fact the show completely changed several major plotlines aside, you know GRRM is free to change the ending he hasn't even written yet, right? Like he's not locked into doing anything he doesn't want to? He could even say "Frick it" and not even finish the series just put it on hold forever.
>He could even say "Frick it" and not even finish the series just put it on hold forever.
Not that anon but there is a 99% chance he is already doing so.
I do think we will actually get the next book at some point
it's genuinely impossible for the final one to come out unless he's somehow been teasing everyone and will release them together
>Not that anon but there is a 99% chance he is already doing so.
He's at least worked on Winds of Winter, which is going to be published even if it's posthumously. I have no illusions about the series finishing though.
Rhaegar likely foresaw his own death, and was also aware that he had fulfilled his purpose in creating the Prince that was promised. He probably just accepted that he would lose and it dulled his edge.
Playing the game of thrones doesn't necessarily mean you sit on the throne yourself. It means that you decide who sits on the throne, and for how long.
because he started a huge revolution and killed a bunch of people? it's not like he was born into it. by the time the show starts he's a shadow of his former self, which is why he dies early in the series
There's something very interesting going on with Bloodraven and the "darkness" surrounding his character. I think he's prepping Bran for the mantle of Three-Eyed Crow, but this is not going to mirror kingship in any way or form, that being your successor continuing your legacy (or supposedly so), but Bloodraven will try to warg into Bran and take control of his body. We keep being given these clues to how much of an abomination and forbidden warging into a human being is and reading Bran slowly succumbing into this, but the real danger will be present when Bloodraven show (or try) he was aiming to extend his "reign" as Tree Lord through Bran's body. I'm 99% sure this is going to happen as a twist on Bran's "kind of heroic in his own way as a sort of magician arc", and we may never know if Bloodraven succeeded or not, thus Bran's personality change in the show. It's going to be lit, though. Shame we will never see it written, but if Winds gets out we may get more clues about it.
Look at this motherfricker and how his story is all about doing what's best for the realm, no matter the costs. Do you guys really think he's going to bet everything when passing the torch to Bran and hope for the best? He will go for the kill and try to take Bran's body so he can continue watching the realm as a tree-hugger-Sauron's-eye-CIA-spook.
HE WAS STRONG THEN
Military coup
Robert was a usurper who took the crown in a war by fighting a mad king with his ungodly strength, a coalition of loyal allies, and the ultimate superpower of nobility: simping for a woman. Nations have been destroyed because one guy wanted to frick one woman.
>Nations have been destroyed because one guy wanted to frick one woman.
Reminder that the entire reason Attila the Hun sacked Italy was because the emperor's daughter sent him a letter inviting him to Rome.
I imagine the untold riches of a weakened thousand year empire had something to do with it as well.
He had a breast plate stretcher
He was king but his treasurer was stealing from him, his wife was fricking her bodyguard-brother, and his spymaster was not telling him about the first two and running several schemes of his own with unclear purpose.
ONE KING, SEVEN KINGDOMS!
he should get an Assistant King
FEAR & BLOOD
THE BOAR IS PREGNANT
He took the throne by winning a war when he wasn't a fatass
The fact that none of the children are his own is pretty fricking stupid tho
>The fact that none of the children are his own is pretty fricking stupid tho
He has like 17 children of his own, just not by his prostitute wife.
He is himself was also a man prostitute.
Cersei is a prostitute because for her sex was transactional. She fricked men to control them. Robert fricked purely to satisfy his own lusts because Cersei was a frigid c**t in bed. That makes him a bawd, not a prostitute.
Perfect storm of a lot of different factors.
>Targaryen dynasty is weak, dragons are all dead, king is weak and insane
>Aerys alienates his closest allies and provokes several great house to rebellion
>Bobby B is very charismatic and wins the loyalty of mens who possess the talents he lacks
>has legitimate beef against Rhaegar; slays him in single combat
START THE DAMN THREAD BEFORE I PISS MESELF
The real question is what the frick is Varys and what the frick is his actual endgame?
Dude had his dick and balls cut off, why would he give a frick about le Realm. Most confusing character for sure.
Somewhere between being an Ordergay (de good of de relm) and a Targaryan sychophant out of a genuine disgust for the Lannisters.
from the hint drops i figured they gonna be pulling some illuminaty shit for Varys
There is a major plotline dropped from the TV show that was introduced in Book 5, but the seeds were sown even in Book 1.
The best theory that pulls together existing evidence and is the most narratively satisfying is this: Illyrio Mopatis produced a son with woman who was a descendant of the FEMALE Blackfyre line. (Barristan Selmy killed Maelys the Monstrous, last of the male line of House Blackfyre.) The mother was Illyrio's slave or wife or both. The child was raised to take up the identity of Aegon Targaryen, living his childhood under the name of Young Griff. The Golden Company was founded by Blackfyre supporters and would never truly support a Targaryen. Varys has always advocated the idea that the best person to rule the realm would be someone raised from birth to be the best possible ruler. Varys has known Illyrio for decades and may be related by blood to Illyrio or Young Griff. As of the ending of Book 5, Young Griff/Aegon has landed in the Stormlands and begun capturing land. I would expect the legendary Valyrian sword of Blackfyre to be produced for Aegon to use and lock this all down. As the books ending won't be too different from the TV show, it's expected that Aegon captures King's Landing, wins the war, all the people love him, then Daenyrys freaks out and nukes him and the city.
What's book Euron's endgame if he wasn't turned moronic like the show?
Not sure yet. GRRM has released a few chapters of Winds of Winter and they do seem to be pointing towards Euron being the real deal. He's doing some kind of horrible ritual that will probably have very bad results, maybe tidal waves, maybe Krakens. Hightower is probably dead. It's unlikely that Euron will change the ending but he'll definitely have more to do than the show. I'm honestly not sure where they will go with him.
I think Euron will enslave one of the dragons with his horn. Maybe this will finally get Daenyrys out of Mereen.
I agree wholeheartedly with you here on Euron. There are many wacky theories about him being some servant of the Great Other, that Gods exists (they don't) and Euron is an avatar of one of them, but so far the text thoroughly hints that he's just a fricking crazy psychopath and that maybe, just maybe, he was once a candidate warg/greenseer like Bran, but once Bloodraven got close to him he saw he was fricked in the head and since then this maybe or maybe not have turned Euron into more of a lunatic because he started to believe since an early age that there was some mighty power ready for the taking and grew ever more ambitious because of it. This last part could be an exaggeration of mine, though, but the part about him having links to Bloodraven is canon, Crow's Eye, "dream that I could fly" and all.
Varys's is Young Griff's uncle through his sister is pretty much the census. I'm tired of GRRM's constant red herrings and building things up only to destroy them and just hope Griff (and the Blackfyres) win the throne. It'd be boring if a Targaryen wasn't on the throne at the end imo
I'd like my expectations to be verted for once and Daenerys to rule with Aegon as one husband, mirroring William and Mary coming across the Channel to claim the throne, and maybe Jon or Bran as a second husband to bind the North to the Targaryens definitively in the Song of Ice and Fire since Jon seems to be destined to go back to the Wall after killing Val.
>woman with multiple husbands
No thanks, that's gay.
Women cannot have multiple husbands. A queen with multiple men officially tied to her has "consorts", not husbands.
>Jon seems to be destined to go back to the Wall after killing Val.
wat
I have no idea why people have any belief that the ending of the show has ANY bearing on the books. The fact the show completely changed several major plotlines aside, you know GRRM is free to change the ending he hasn't even written yet, right? Like he's not locked into doing anything he doesn't want to? He could even say "Frick it" and not even finish the series just put it on hold forever.
Bran becoming king feels very GRRM though.
It's use is the sign of a redditor or tourist.
Bran becoming King makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever in the world created by GRRM
>He could even say "Frick it" and not even finish the series just put it on hold forever.
Not that anon but there is a 99% chance he is already doing so.
I do think we will actually get the next book at some point
it's genuinely impossible for the final one to come out unless he's somehow been teasing everyone and will release them together
>Not that anon but there is a 99% chance he is already doing so.
He's at least worked on Winds of Winter, which is going to be published even if it's posthumously. I have no illusions about the series finishing though.
>what
Unclear.
>endgame
He gave a villainous monologue to a corpse and a soon-to-be corpse for a reason, anon. His endgame isn't a secret anymore.
Kneel before me. Pledge me your service and you shall rise again as Jon Stark, the Lord of Winterfell.
He played the game of beheadings, different.
But considering the themes of the story he would have eventually been irrevocably sabotaged.
Strength>All, it's why everyone was too scared to face him
Why did Rhaegar job to him? Rhaegar is practically written like a Mary sue but lost to some tard with a battlehammer
Rhaegar likely foresaw his own death, and was also aware that he had fulfilled his purpose in creating the Prince that was promised. He probably just accepted that he would lose and it dulled his edge.
because robert had a big fricking hammer and the rage of an incel denied his waifu
He was formerly strong
It's all about the attitude.
Big chad energy. You wouldnt understand.
Playing the game of thrones doesn't necessarily mean you sit on the throne yourself. It means that you decide who sits on the throne, and for how long.
They let him take it. Jon Arryn was old and childless, Eddard was a usurper, and Tywin couldn't be trusted.
>Incel
Gods what a stupid name
because he started a huge revolution and killed a bunch of people? it's not like he was born into it. by the time the show starts he's a shadow of his former self, which is why he dies early in the series
There's something very interesting going on with Bloodraven and the "darkness" surrounding his character. I think he's prepping Bran for the mantle of Three-Eyed Crow, but this is not going to mirror kingship in any way or form, that being your successor continuing your legacy (or supposedly so), but Bloodraven will try to warg into Bran and take control of his body. We keep being given these clues to how much of an abomination and forbidden warging into a human being is and reading Bran slowly succumbing into this, but the real danger will be present when Bloodraven show (or try) he was aiming to extend his "reign" as Tree Lord through Bran's body. I'm 99% sure this is going to happen as a twist on Bran's "kind of heroic in his own way as a sort of magician arc", and we may never know if Bloodraven succeeded or not, thus Bran's personality change in the show. It's going to be lit, though. Shame we will never see it written, but if Winds gets out we may get more clues about it.
Look at this motherfricker and how his story is all about doing what's best for the realm, no matter the costs. Do you guys really think he's going to bet everything when passing the torch to Bran and hope for the best? He will go for the kill and try to take Bran's body so he can continue watching the realm as a tree-hugger-Sauron's-eye-CIA-spook.
at glance I thought it was his dick
BUT HOW STRONG WAS HE THEN?
Man invented a way to stretch solid metal with merely his own arms.
Would you try and fight that?