>If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.
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You know what I hate the most about psueds? They're always quoting some other dude, like if you were actually as smart as you want to be you'd have something original to say
This. It's embarassing. I prefer to not have any opinion on such grand, unchangeable things. No point in it. My sphere of influence is so meager.
>I prefer not to have an opinion because I don't matter to begin with
Truly pathetic
Where's the lie? No human self-expression matters or amounts to anything.
Nothing "matters or amounts to anything" beyond what we decide it does. Your name is just random sounds to anyone who isn't the same brand of upright monkey as you, moron. Life/society/human civilization is literally play pretend and if you think that makes it meaningless so too is everything else. Get over yourself.
But that's exactly what I'm saying to you. Are you a moron? Why chase a spectre which is the human condition and meaning, a figment of our mind, and arrive at no conclusion because there was never any conclusion to begin with? Same thing.
Why do anything any more, you squares? Because the alternative is only suicide. b***hing and griping about how meaningless everything is implies that, on some level, you're worthy of meaning that you've been deprived of. Newsflash, you're not. That's why I'll say again, "get over yourself"
I have. Does being a pseud rot your brain? My initial post is what you're telling me to do. Jesus fricking Christ.
And I'm repeatedly telling you that the reason we still ascribe meaning to shit even if life is ultimately devoid of meaning is because the only alternative is suicide. Systems only work when everyone involved is willing to play pretend. You're not somehow the first guy who figured out it's not actually "real" to begin with. That doesn't mean you have the strength to turn away from it. So quite being such a b***h.
Really? To the point of sacrificing your health, relationships, everything, to 'fighting evil' like Rust?
Why wouldn't you instead ruthlessly pursue your own pleasure? If you actually believed nothing mattered then that choice makes no sense.
I was given the choice of engaging in a criminal conspiracy to make drugs and opted out. I could've lived a pretty sweet short-term life with money, babes and some semblance of power but then I thought ...shit, prison...and said no.
If you truly thought this was why are you spending your time arguing? Clearly this conversation has meaning to you because you keep posting. If something has meaning to you, then it has meaning. We aren’t separate from the universe
Both of you need to have a nice day
a mathematical point, even though infinitesimally small, is not nothing. or rather it is nothing and something at the same time
99% of moral philosophy has already been explored. Come up with an original moral position right now.
You form your own opinion based on those works. If people actually read, and these weren't israeli psyop characters they'd know that being good just because you want to be rewarded isn't how it works. It's like the israeli lie they love repeating about being terrible all through life then recanting at the last second.
Right, the actual truth of Christian doctrine is that it doesn't matter if you're a good person or not as long as you believe in Jesus. In fact, you can live a selfish life filled with violence and sin as long as you ask for forgiveness on your deathbed. Then you'll get into heaven no problem.
Books are made of books
My favorite thing about pseuds is how they react defensively whenever they see anything that disagrees with them.
Who is he quoting?
Every atheist who has ever lived. Still he misses a point about Christianity, the assumption is that everyone is actually a sinner and that even the ones who behave themselves are still sinning in their mind. You're supposed to recognise this about yourself as well as others and not act like a sanctimonious butthole whenever someone else does some shit but also not too take shit from people who do act like sanctimonious buttholes since they're hypocrites.
>why do atheists pseuds constantly quote things to sound smart?
>after all in Leviticus it says
>Every atheist who has ever lived
Never head of him despite the extremely weird name.
Got any citation or source of who this guy was and when did he say those things?
It's just how Christianity gains control over people. You're a big bad sinner so now feel guilty and give me your money. Or you will forever burn in the torture dimension that our loving creator made just for you.
You're missing the point, actually. Remind me, what's the difference between a sinner who gets into heaven and a sinner who doesn't?
one repented, lmao
Exactly. Therefore, Christians are motivated by the fear of going to hell and not the desire to be better people. Which means I'm better than them by default.
>i feel sorry for being an immoral butthole
vs
>i'm not sorry for being an immoral butthole
tell me, where did you get your moral compass from? just pull it out your ass or did it come from the religious institutions that have been around you all your life?
>tell me, where did you get your moral compass from?
Basic common sense. Empathy.
>did it come from the religious institutions that have been around you all your life?
You're right, their flagrant predatory immorality has served as a great example of what not to do and how not to behave.
>heh, I'll just say that religion is immoral, that'll show him
Put your mask on
>you can do whatever you want as long as you say you love Jesus you'll be welcomed into paradise
This is the definition of amoral.
you need to be sincere
But you haven't gotten into heaven, so what are you acting superior about?
It's pretty challenging to get into a place that doesn't exist.
Jesus hinted at this fact when he said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy man to enter heaven. Obviously this applies to all people but Jesus was just being clever so his followers could have a ponderm
t. gets his entire worldview from a book written a thousand years ago
He's right though christcuck
I always chuckle when Christians make the argument, "what's the point in acting moral if Jesus doesn't exist? At that point, you may as well just kill, steal, rape, etc." as if that isn't the most thinly veiled sociopathic argument of all time.
If your moral framework is stuck on "punishment/reward" with God as the stand-in for your perma-existential parents - you're on the same level of moral development as a literal toddler.
This show NEVER explained why he cared so much about doing right and stop the killers and fighting evil and whatnot. If nothing matters and we're just a mistake of biology why what is his basis for caring?
I pose this question to too. If we are just chimps what is your basis for morality?
>t. looking for approval/"reward" by his peers
Which, you'll note, is above Reward/Punishment on the pyramid.
it cannot be separated. even if you're acting on principle you do so to elevate yourself above others in the hopes of eventually being widespread seen as more favorable.
these aspirations are bound to be frustrated
I've never seen a Christian say this. Only in atheist leddit strawman stories.
What makes good deeds good and bad deeds bad?
>Cinemaphile is a flat circle.
>Every thread we have done or will do we will do over and over and over again
>Forever.
400 posts soon, brother. The cycle will begin anew.
I will never watch this crime fiction bullshit show, its entirely made for Americans, midwits and women. Fricking burgers poisoning this board with their shit opinions about crap series that fellate their culture.
Nobody cares.
>He's jealous because his people gave up their cultural hegemony just to get raped by infinity Muslims.
LMAO
What do you reckon is the average IQ of this board?
91
The antidote to nihilism is to put a gun in their mouth, lets see how pointless you think your life is then.
I always wonder how atheists even get up in the morning.
>Ahhh, what a beautiful day that's literally just imagined by my tentacle sack in my skull observing this rock floating through infinite nothingness
>Can't wait to go to work and contribute nothing to society while making my boss more fake bullshit paper currency.
>Hey maybe if I get enough of that fake paper I can purchase a big building to go to sleep in every 24 hours.
>But why would I do that? It's not like I need to fit anything in there, I've got everything that releases dopamine, fake happiness, into my brain right here in my tiny room.
>All my merchandise from that major franchise literally just designed to steal my money.
>Maybe I'll listen to other meaningless meat sacks like me who talk about how pointless existence is and how we should all die.
>The meat sack who calls itself my "mother" just died, but who cares. It was just another meat sack among billions and now that it's inert it basically doesn't exist. No point in getting attached or being upset over it.
You're projecting your own nihilism. Other people just don't need a israeli sky wizard to overcome it.
Atheist israelites INVENTED nihilism. There is so much more to this life and this world than just what you can see and stick you dick into. You have no reason to think that's not the case yet you pretend you do.
I don't need to believe in things that aren't there to get plenty of value out of my life. You live in a little box and you think it makes you special.
go back to your flying spaghetti monster subr*ddit little gaytheist
That's easy. We overcome those entry level philosophical dilemmas with things like reason, discipline, empathy, criticality and resolve. Instead of made up nonsense.
Reminder that he was proven wrong in the end and accepted that he was just being a nihilistic pseud. Funny how you people keep that part out.
You're right that he did 180 and it was important thematically. However that occurred because he had a divine experience that changed his world view through observation. That doesn't render his previous observations illegitimate. His conclusions changed when his evidence did. And since this is all fictional, it shouldn't really have any bearing on the viewer's belief system IRL outside of being a reminder of our own observational limitations. You should stop calling other people pseuds if you're gonna post like a moron
That's not what happened at the end. People who think Rust's monologue is about the afterlife are moronic.
>entire point of the character is that he's broken over the loss of his daughter and became an alcoholic midwit moron desperately coping about how everything is useless and sucks
>in the finale he accepts how stupid he was acting and openly weeps about it
>"heh, this is literally me, I'm just as smart as him"
It's the most jarring part of the show. His philosophy at the start is consistent and based on reality. Then he has some NDE bullshit and suddenly abandons his realistic world view. And Pizzolato still said that there was nothing spiritual about it. He basically just became an optimist for no reason.
He didn't abandon his worldview, he just admitted to himself that it was founded in grief and he's at the mercy of his subjective experience just like everyone else is. He stopped being a pessimist and became a pragmatist, but that doesn't make him an optimist.
Tradlarpers are so gay.
Stop postin odd shit
Only good post ITT
Why don't Christcucks on Cinemaphile just have sex instead of pretending to be devoutly religious?
athiest gays brought it on themselves, once the *tips fedora* meme hit, it was all downhill
>not having sex to own strangers on the internet
You sure showed them
>*dismantles your entire belief system in five minutes*
>yeah well I bet you wear a funny hat
yeah how will atheists ever recover
athiests don't dismantle anything, they just act cringe and worship le heckin' science and homosexualry
It's just a culture war thing for you. That's why you LARP as a devout worshiper of a israeli sky daddy. No, you're not saving the white race by believing in fairy tales from a desert. You're not owning the gays and blacks with epic Bible quotes. You're just as delusional.
I don't worship to save you, but by his grace i hope you see the error of your ways. have a blessed day!
Yeesh. And you call us cringe.
don't you have a pride rally to go drink piss at?
Nice strawman. Build it yourself?
>*attends white pride rally without a shred of self awareness*
>le christcuck meaningless platitude
Right on schedule
And how is it better to worship things that aren't there?
Massive blackpill truth nuke that people won't allow themselves to accept is that the antinatalist Rust was completely right. This wasn't the cope, the ending of the show was. You'll just believe whatever gets you through the day and ignore the harsh reality.
>If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.
Yes, the majority of humans are pieces of shit. They're kept in line by carrot and stick alone. Left to their own, they'll murder and rape and steal because that is their fallen nature. The promise of divine reward--and divine punishment--tempers their worst impulses, and that's working as intended.
You, yourself, are a piece of shit. That you're not motivated by reward doesn't change that fact. You're as ugly and selfish as the rest of them.
At least I'm honest.
Consider yourself filtered.
that's not how christianity works. most christians arent motivated by the afterlife but approval by their peers
and atheists work the same way
You don't have to be a bible-thumper to realize the effects of a godless nation, look at the U.S, it's becoming a shithole
It's a bit more civilized than it was during he crusades, actually.
>The U.S strays further and further from Christian values
>becomes a degenerate shithole
what a coincidence
see
There is troony parades AND feces lining the streets. moron moment.
No actually we have sanitation departments now.
we also have apps that show where feces is in the street in San Francisco, which is arguably ground zero for troony parades
My bad, I didn't realize I was arguing with a crazy person.
i accept your concession
>there isn't le shit in the streets, god BTFO!!1
>there's still shit in the streets, as well as heroin needles, AND troony parades
compelling argument you're making
At least mine isn't in bad faith like yours is. I'm going to wager there was a *bit* more human feces back when people just shoveled their shit out the window when their dookie bucket got too full. Ever hear of the black plague?
>advancements in sanitation is because we abandoned christian morality
Damn anon, you're a genius!
Ah, I see you've gotten confused. I'm the one arguing there's no link between the two. You're the one arguing the opposite.
I said that the U.S was better when it was more strongly embracing Christian values, and you made a non-argument about shit in the streets
You said that the US has become a shithole because it's abandoned Christian values even though back when Christian values were a their height it was a *literal* shithole. Explain how this doesn't completely dismantle your entire stupid argument.
because there are cities where people are literally shitting in the street
And there were back then too. In fact it was considerably more prevalent back then because people didn't have things like indoor plumbing.
I don't know why I waste my time arguing with children.
>advancements in plumbing correlate to personal morals
Can't tell if baiting or just genuinely moronic
You're confused again. My entire point is that the two things aren't related. If you think it's moronic to argue that the two things are related, maybe you should stop doing it.
you've yet to refute
Show me where this fabled human shit app can be downloaded, newfriend.
https://openthebooks.substack.com/p/updated-the-san-francisco-poop-map
Great, now let's compare that to the amount of poop that was in the streets in the 14th century. I have a feeling one number is going to be a tad higher than the other number.
Don't forget that even horses shat in the street even a hundred years ago.
right, now lets factor in the fact that plumbing exists
now compare that to the amount of shit in homosexualville (San Francisco) compared to places that don't host troony parades
Get back to me once you've figured it out.
>they shit in the street then too!
but today is there not more incentive NOT to shit in the street based on the availability of indoor plumbing?
>The U.S is LE better now than it was 60 years ago
Okie dokie pal
Christian values were on the decline 60 years ago too, newfriend. Although admittedly it did increase in speed a tad once that whole raping children thing came out.
So you think the U.S is better now? If so, why?
I don't need to defend the United States to you in order to reject the notion that any of our societal problems have to do with the fact that we aren't Christian enough.
Why can't you answer that simple question? Is the U.S better now? If so, why?
>why won't you have the argument that I want to have with you?
Because I'm having the one that I want to have.
The entire argument started because I said the U.S was better 60 years ago. Wonder why you can't answer a very simple question.
60 years ago crime rates in the US were at the highest they've ever been.
Is that your way of saying yes, I do think the United States is a better nation now than it was 60 years ago?
If you like murder rape and kidnapping, sure, things used to be a lot better.
what do you know about the high middle ages though? it was an era that saw more mercy than we see today. faithful christians didnt just hate murderers, they pitied them, possibly even prayed for them, for they had doomed themselves.
nowadays people put it on themselves to enact justice and that can be quite uncivilized.
>faithful christians didnt just hate murderers, they pitied them
Sure, riiight up until they cut their heads off in the town square
or they rebelled against a too harsh verdict. the point being that it variied with time and place.
also beheading was an honorable way to die. you should have picked lynching or breaking on the wheel instead
>also beheading was an honorable way to die
Christian morality everybody!
>beheading in the west
:/
>beheading Japan
:O
>you don't think life during the Dark Ages was a good time? You must be a fan of Imperial Japan then
That has to be the single most random, baseless assumption I've ever seen a person make in any context
ok forgive me
>beheading in Christianity
:/
>beheading in Shinto
:O
and here I assumed it was a given that I'm just generally against the concept of people being beheaded, but then again I am arguing with a Christian
source on that claim?
>and here I assumed it was a given that I'm just generally against the concept of people being beheaded,
you do not understand, due to ignorance, why capital punishment existed in the first place. it was born out of conditions not cruelty. this is a time without police and prison wardens
capital punishment was a way to prevent bloody feuds. there was no state and no state prisons
Is it actually possible to will yourself into believing falsehoods because they're socially convenient?
I'm not even a Christian, but I'd rather them run the country and set the tone for the nation compared to what we have now
usually you just unintentionally turn a blind eye to flaws in falsehoods. you dont think about them twice if you have a paper-thin rationale that works for you
case in point: "the israelites" are to be blamed
Are you implying that blaming israelites for everything is a socially convenient falsehood?
Are you implying it isn't?
God has nothing to do with it, he's not real. That's the problem with this thinking. He's not out there making any difference. People can be better by believing in him but it all falls apart eventually because he is not there.
When people learn that the strength comes within and not from something made up that's when we can actually do something. Keeping up the lie just for the sake of it is not worth it.
>God has nothing to do with it, he's not real. That's the problem with this thinking. He's not out there making any difference. People can be better by believing in him but it all falls apart eventually because he is not there
That's not even my point moron
>le you can have Christian morality without Christianity fallacy
we all know how that turned out
>trannies and gays are having parades! man I wish we could back to the good old days when feces lined the streets
those people were revival christians.
They don't believe you get to heaven from being good person they think it's purely a gift from Christ.
What he was saying wasn't even accurate.
Reminder that only the elect go to heaven
Majority of people will burn forever
>I'm a le heckin' good person... JUST BECAUSE
Yes.
You're not anything. There is no good or bad. Whole life is just deluding yourself hard into believing that things have a purpose.
I'm a good person because I don't do things to people that I wouldn't want done to me. It's really that simple. No ancient texts needed.
>I'm terminally online and think about trannies 24/7
>So I'll believe in a bearded guy in the sky
How do people make this leap?
It also gives you a great excuse for being a virgin in your 30s
>you DARE IMPLY that Atheism is not perfect, you israelite golem?
how did atheists manage to become more insufferable than wackjob christians? they're terrible
It motivates christians to try and be better than they are by default, which is a good thing? Striving for virtue is a good thing, you can do that as an atheist as well(I do), but most don't, they base their morals around what they feel like doing in that moment, relativism.
>It motivates christians to try and be better than they are by default, which is a good thing?
You type like a woman, upspeaking ass homie.
I’d much rather live in a society with people doing good because they’re scared than people doing bad because they aren’t
Being virtuous without the mysticism would be the best for society, but it's better to be virtuous and believe in mysticism than to be a relativist.
If God does not exist then there is absolutely no reason to strive to be a "good" moral person because there is no such thing as good and evil.
It really does not matter what we do if God does not exist. Witouth God life is meaninless.