If they had another Season do you think they could make him redeemable or atleast sympathetic like his son?
If they had another Season do you think they could make him redeemable or atleast sympathetic like his son?
If they had another Season do you think they could make him redeemable or atleast sympathetic like his son?
I feel that he could have been given a bit more sympathetic qualities that don’t justify his horrific personality and attitude.
He always had brief glimmers of what good of a scientist he could have been but they always got snuffed out by his monstrous actions.
The fact that he seemingly didn’t actually frick Morphos wife gives him some good boy points.
He still blackmailed be after so not really. Jonas really had a warped sense of right and wrong but he never actually did anything flat out evil
>abandoned his entire fan club in an underground bunker for decades while they were stoned out of their minds on hallucinogenics
>abandoned a crew of volunteers in a biodome to the point they engaged in human sacrifice and were possibly murdered by gorillas
>used his son as a test subject on deadly theme park rides
>took a week to realize his son had been kidnapped AFTER he stopped L Ron Hubbard form sabotaging the Apollo 11 mission
>ignored his son's enormous psychological trauma and gaslit him into thinking he was ungrateful for the privilege of killing a man with a pen aged ten and neve rletting him hang out with people under thirty
>reanimated the corpse of his dead friend (who he blackmailed for decades after taking advantage of his trust) into a mockery of life, before getting bored with him after a week and throwing him away after he glitched out and tried to murder his son
Even without his complete absence of any professional or moral ethics as a scientist the level of intentional and unintentional neglect he visited on Rusty is outright monstrously evil. THE MAN BUILT A CYBORG WITH A GOOD/EVIL SWITCH
>level of intentional and unintentional neglect he visited on Rusty is outright monstrously evil
he kept his son around drugged up monsters and ridiculous sexual deviants. its a wonder rusty didnt turn out to be a supervillain the likes that world has never seen
he's frankly lucky he didn't get groomed or outright molested by Colonel Gentleman
>lucky he didn't get groomed or outright molested by Colonel Gentleman
do we know he didnt?
Despite all the fricked up shit Team Venture have done I don’t think pedophilia is something they’d be down with especially Kano.
Colonel Gentleman's fear of Jonas likely overcame his lust for boy ass
Honestly I used to hate Rusty, I mean don’t get me wrong he’s still a petty little butthole. But he has a good heart. Like he’s refused to become a villain even at the cost of his own success and when he found the artifact he said that they should use it for the benefit of mankind because that’s what super scientists do. If he just fixed his ego problems he’d be a really good dude. Kind of makes me want to see what the “butthole” dimension is like.
he did use that super-date-rape drug on the hookers he hired
True enough but that was more pathetic than abhorrent, and they ended up all being assassins anyway.
they weren't assassins, that was a bamboozle by Molotov. They were just innocent (>innocent) hookers Rusty tried to date rape but accidentally turned into fly monsters.
what truly showed how good of a person rusty was that he never broke the delusion of who jonas was to jj. he let him go on thinking what a great man he was, possibly knowing that jonas would see him as an abomination rather than the person he was. and i dont think the ego can be fixed. jj never met anyone but rusty and his ego was through the damn roof
that venturion shit probably scared the shit out of all of them
I like how he was able to indirectly tell the boys he loved them in the movie. Also he does have morals and even compassion, he's just cold about it. For instance he gave Jonas jr half of what his dad left him once he realized that Jonas was just angry at the shit circumstance that was how he came to be, and didn't get to be apart of the family for like 50 years.
You just know his entire life was like that and that's not even the tip of the iceberg
>THE MAN BUILT A CYBORG WITH A GOOD/EVIL SWITCH
Wasn’t it Dr. Z who installed the evil functionality?
Also, he did add baboon dna into Malcolm for shit and giggles.
It was to counteract balding, though Ben was right on the money that it would also cause irrational anger
>didn’t actually frick Morphos wife
You don't know that, he didn't knock her up the traditional way but that doesn't mean he didn't frick her
The way Ben talks about Jonas helping the Fitzcarraldos, it sounds like he actually didn't cuck Blue Morpho as was previously implied. Even seemed to be reinforced with the previous scene of Malcolm choking Rusty when Rusty tried to imply that Jonas could have banged Malcolm's mom
No. Not a chance. He was completely irredeemable by the time the movie rolled around.
He should have been the Secret President
Nah, but he probably does know about secret president, since he had to have been trusted enough like Treister was
The only possible redeeming trait he has is that he may have genuinely loved Rusty. If Helper-2 and Ben are to be believe, then Jonas made the cloning tech as a means of keeping the one person he treasured alive. But even then, that doesn't really redeem him, it just means he's got one tic in the bar measuring his good deeds
>The only possible redeeming trait he has is that he may have genuinely loved Rusty.
That is debatable.
When young Rusty tried to talk to his father about his issues about being forced to go on deadly adventures around people more than double his age, Jonas—acting as his therapist—was almost completely absent for the session, dismissing his son's feeling as being ungrateful for all the "opportunities presented" and taking out his frustrations on his father.
That may be so, but Helper-2 directly states that Rusty (who he mistook Dean for) was the product of selfless act of love, meaning that Jonas did at least at one point love Rusty, enough to piss in God's eye
I always figured the cloning tech was Jonas trying to become immortal, the first thing he says when they find him in the problem box is “Hey Rusty, slap my head on that robot until we can go clone me a new body”
>If Helper-2 and Ben are to be believe, then Jonas made the cloning tech as a means of keeping the one person he treasured alive
yeah his fricking self. rusty was his original escape death plan.
vendata was his back up
I feel like if Vendata was his plan he wouldn't have literally binned him. I think he's ultimately just a narcissistic parent who cared about Rusty but only in his own shallow and fricked up way. He never saw him as his own person but he also probably didn't want to body steal the kid. If that were the case he'd probably just try to trick Rusty into forfeiting his body, not tell him to heat up the clone vats.
Based on what? Nothing has suggested Rusty was some attempt by Jonas to cheat death, and he certainly had no idea he was going to get spaced by (presumably) his old friend
I’m pretty sure Manstrong was the one who did Movie Night by accident. Seems to fit better than all the other options.
That's the popular theory, but only time will tell what gets revealed, and that's only if the show gets another movie or season for that matter
Anon.....
I said IF
Nah I'm more interested bringing back The Orb. Peril Partnership vs Guild arc? Hell why not give The Triad a spinoff show?
The Orb is a useless paperweight and there isn't a single person alive smart enough to bring it back to working order.
That we know of. Though the thing probably would need its original schematics just to be sure its proper functionality was restored and nothing got mixed up. Wouldn't surprise me if they did have it restored, only to reveal its true function was something entirely benign
It'd feel a bit hackey to just bring in another super smart scientist at this point in the game
although the OSI does still have Jonas's head
Not like it couldn't be Rusty, nothing ever said he couldn't fix it, he just decided it was best to study the thing carefully. Only reason he probably didn't get a chance was because almost right he found the thing, shit went down with Brock and the assassins
if they had wanted to, they could likely at best make it more gray area
people in Jonas's life seem to have flocked to him for reasons outside of just personal/monetary stakes, but because they relied on him
so it could be made to be something in the direction of, he was a product of his time/ expectations made him stoic but also do awful shit/ the awful shit he did had unrecognized good outcomes
The fact that we never even got a name for his father (Colonel Lloyd Venture's son) does make you wonder if Doc and Jackson are sitting on any ideas that would greatly change how we look at Jonas. While I don't mean that they would make Jonas some kind of tragic person, it would be interesting if Rusty's grandpa was somehow an even bigger bastard than his old man
agreed, juxtaposing Jonas and his dad would be an interesting way to do it, even if not all is explicitly told certain things could be gleaned from that
I had an ida that Jonas was "the third Venture Bro"
Like how Dermet and The Monarch (or JJ) are the last of the set and periphery to the supr-science antics.
So lets say Jonas (who is an adult by the late 50s) was seen as a lesser son compared to his two older brothers who both died in WWII.
Does that change anything? No really.
I thought the Colonel was Jonas's father?
Yeah, Bowie said Lloyd was Dean's great-grandfather, so his son would be Jonas
think that's just a continuity error, the art book says he's Rusty's great-grandfather
I stand corrected then
That was a mistake, Sovereign meant to say great-great-grandfather
why would they?
Why bother? They spent 20 making me hate him.
i'd prefer it if they didn't, and instead have an opportunity for Rusty to go frick himself. Hell, have Malcolm there too ready to do it, so he can seethe about Rusty stealing his moment of REVENGE (but still respect Rusty a little more for doing it)
>forgot about the movie
>everyone is test tube baby clones
>the only exception is dermott
man this kind of fricking sucked, instead of a curveball or something they went with the most boring thing imaginable, no secret affair, no different bloodlines, everyone is just a copy of a one sided masturbation session from big man jonas
I'd say Debbie being the "mother" was curveball enough
Not to mention nobody would have thought Dean and Hank were just test tube babies. The longest running theory was that the two were clones of Rusty and Brock, which only began to lose viability after the flashback episode revealed that Brock didn't get assigned to Rusty until after the birth of the boys. And even then, all the teases about their mother had people certain that the boys indeed had a woman responsible for birthing them. Instead, we found out that Rusty just took some eggs and made the boys himself
Rusty continuing to be unable to score is pretty in-character
And it adds the fact that the boys weren’t accident. They were never unwanted, Rusty genuinely wanted to be a father. That after credits scene with him and Helper was really sweet.
yeah, the boys being test tube babies is legitimately more believable than Rusty being able to convince a woman to bear his children
Well we do know he scored at 24, and that it wasn't a particularly great or memorable moment. Though whether this was the moment with Myra or Nikki is hard to say
It definitely wasn't Nikki. Remember that Hank and Dean were actually born a good few years before Dermott and are only the same age due to the repeated cloning. I'd wager Doc was hovering around 30 at the time he slept with Nikki
It was probably Myra if that's the case. I think he even mentioned the car that we see them bang in.
It's possible, but then it could be someone else given the wiggle room the writers left regarding the situation, which honestly could mean they'd use it for a later plot device to humiliate Rusty some more, or just confirm what we're assuming
At least rusty and Hank have one thing in common
giving his best friend a clone of himself (mixed with a baboon for the hell) as a baby to raise was pretty fricked
Not quite as much as the previous implication that he cucked his friend and fricked his wife. Still pretty messed up to give them a child with literal animal DNA in it, but at least it's not cucking someone since that was something Jonas did a lot of the time already to many of his other friends and associates
>the previous implication that he cucked his friend and fricked his wife
Still think he fricked his wife.
Way too much of a horndog not to
It's possible, though it would be kind of refreshing if he hadn't, that he was at least capable of that little bit of loyalty to not screw over his friend like that
He did frick morphos wife
They were swingers
Which is funny because the monarch and miss monarch are also swingers
He secretly recorded it and used the tape as blackmail
Don wasn't a swinger, he regretted the incident with the two girls immensely
As for Jonas fricking Mrs. Fitzcarraldo, it seems more likely Jonas didn't since Ben talks about how Jonas created Malcolm for them to solve their childbearing issues
Jonas definitely tried to frick her though.
like i know it was ultimately a bait and switch to disguise the clone reveal but everything about this flashback scene implies jonas tried to frick morpho's wife.
>my science is quite potent.
plus think about how deliciously ironic it would have been for Jonas to blackmail Blue Morpho over his infidelity while simultaneously trying to seduce Blue Morpho's wife. That's the kind of buttholery we've come to expect from Jonas.
Maybe, but it makes it more interesting that, at least for one moment in his life, he didn't literally and figuratively frick over anybody. He saw a friend in need, and helped them.
In some ways, it creates a bit of complexity to Jonas, that he is capable of some moments of compassion, just in a really fricked up way. He gave his friend a child, with the bonus of baboon DNA. His friend died, and he turned him into RoboCop. His own son died, and he cloned him (possibly multiple times)
Worked out for Malcolm though, even if the time he had with his parents were cut short. The final smile Morpho gives his son before he shuts down is still heart wrenching.
>Himself
Rusty isn't him and it's about as nice a thing an amoral superscientist can do.
I already assumed that the Venture Clan is just a long line of trauma in service of the "greater good"
>giving his best friend a clone of himself (mixed with a baboon for the hell) as a baby to raise was pretty fricked
He gave his friend a clone of his son with a baldness fix.
The only thing they could have done that I would have liked was have him make a callback to his traumatic childhood that was caused by his father.
i just wonder what the frick they were thinking writing jonas into such an unlikeable monster in the BM episodes of S7, it was surprisingly one toned and linear for their writing style. Why WOULDN'T fans assume jonas fricked his wife? He frickin goes straight for the kill to take over venturion. pretty fricked up twist on things, so much for being a good friend.
It did seem like they wanted to imply that some part of Jonas might have trusted and cared for Don/Blue Morpho/Venturion, at least back when Jonas was still alive and well, and that the years being a barely alive head may have led him to becoming worse than he ever had been. Can only wonder if any more plans were made for Jonas, since the whole OSI taking his head did feel like a hook of sorts
Probably. Lotta speculation surrounding the OSI part alone.
well that's what i'm saying. It's not like Jonas even had any actual concrete evidence that BM killed him. He's putting all the blame on his supposed best friend, he supposedly cucked and gave his clone baby to. Pretty fricked.
He was under the impression BM was the one who killed him
He never was a good friend, even before that but maybe they miscalculated how likable they thought they made him too.. Jonas is a monster and a douche, but his saving grace is his charm and being a badass. So maybe they just kind of assumed "All our characters are terrible people but we've made it so they've all got these little quirks that make them relatable" and never realized that Jonas didn't really have a sympathetic air to him like other characters. Like I think they were going for the idea that Jonas was more naive than malicious but the blackmail tape fricks that all up. I can see everything Jonas does as having an excuse of "I'm the good guy so whatever I do is the good thing" but the sex tape is just low.
Was Lloyd his dad or his Grandfather? I could definitely see him being beat down by his father for turning the idea of being great dignified men of scientist into paltry celebrity.
Grandfather, Rusty even made the mistake of thinking he was a milliner for some reason and that only his grandfather (Jonas' dad) was the first super scientist in the family
He was a milliner. Y'know also some kind of polymath dilettante but also a milliner.
Commentary says he went into Super Science after the sweatshop fire because robots don't demand worker's rights
Is that Danny Wells?
A man ahead of his time
I thought Llyod was Jonas's father as well, so there is an entire Venture in between we know nothing about.
>Was Lloyd his dad or his Grandfather?
Father
%3D%3D
Lloyd is Dean's great grandfather which means he's Jonas' father
There's no "lost Venture" like other anons think
Always think its cool Dean and Hank are Guild heirs from both bloodlines
>In the 2018 book Go Team Venture!: The Art and Making of The Venture Bros. , creator Jackson Publick refers to Colonel Lloyd Venture as "great-grandfather of Dr. Venture".[2] This would make him the grandfather to Jonas Venture Sr. and great-great-grandfather to Hank and Dean Venture, as well as Dermott Fictel. Colonel Lloyd Venture's son--the father of Jonas--has not been revealed.
>a thing not in the show from years later
Anon...
>it doesn't count because I say so
Now you're just moving the fricking goalpost
The irony
What irony? A source was provided that points out explicitly that Lloyd was Jonas' granddad, not his father
>Creator's very words aren't real lalala I can't hear you
Good show
Frick this show for meandering so long on so much. Even the movie which was supposed to close it out leaves it open for more. Another season would be another 1 plot point resolves and 3 more open.
leaving things open just in case while answering the big questions and resolving some major dangling conflicts is better tbh
He's literally 9001% times worse than clay puppinton. Absofrickinglutely not. Even whats that comic with the father that always molests his daughter and shes fricked in the head bebcause of it could be redeemed
Jonas was above a sociopathic monster on his own level
>He's literally 9001% times worse than clay puppinton.
Jonas was a bastard, but he still had some semblance of love for Rusty. Clay resented his entire family, including Orel. What Jonas did to Rusty was horrid, but it wasn't rooted in contempt for his own child; Clay did horrible things to Orel out of contempt for his parents, his family, and his life in general.
I'd say that, in the wash, they're both about even.
He didn't hate Moral though just the rest of his family, he was also taught that being a colossal butthole was the best way to show love. and he beat Moral almost every episode.
>He didn't hate Moral
>he beat Moral almost every episode
they both can't be true
Clay didn't spank Orel because he hated him though. In his mind that was good parenting.
I think he probably resented Moral for representing an innocence/naiveté he coveted
as well as just in general resenting being "trapped" with him and the rest of his family but the belt beatings came across as much more "this is how you make a point to your kids" made even stranger by the fact his main point of trauma is that his father didn't beat him once because "he wasn't worth it". In an odd way Orel's belt beatings might be the only way he knows to demonstrate that he's being attentive to Orel's upbringing.
Clay feels worse because he's a lot realer and really just went mask off with how malicious he could be to his son. Jonas so far has the excuse of thinking he was a good dad in the process of being a terrible one and never personally brutalized Rusty then pretended it never happened.
In a warped way, it is. I'm not defending Clay, he's a shit father, but you have to consider how he treats the rest of the family compared to Moral. He mostly ignores them, especially shapey, but he goes out of his way to instill his teachings (while wrong) into Moral, and show love the only way he knows how, which is beating him. He loves him, now is it in a healthy way, frick no, but he does love him.
Not that anon,but Clay can at least be understood and almost sympathized with. His upbringing was just terrible, what with his moron of a mother who was oblivious to her terrible actions causing the deaths of several potential children, spoiling her son and never disciplining him, and of course his father acting like a psycho instead of nipping the problems in the bud like a sensible person. Certainly doesn't make Clay worth any more than Jonas, but at least one can see how he's just as much a victim of circumstances as the family he mistreats, compared to Jonas who just seemed to do whatever he wanted because he knew he could. And that's honestly a lot worse than someone doing things in contempt
I almost would have preferred it if it was revealed it was Jonas who was responsible for the plane crashed that claimed Monarch's parents (or at least was heavily involved in it).
Perhaps Blue Morpho had enough of Jonas and wanted to get his family away from him as far as possible, or he managed to find some blackmail material on Jonas that would damage his reputation far worse than Jonas' blackmail. Perhaps Jonas would see this as a betrayal, and would therefore be "justified" in killing Blue Morpho and his family. He'd later resurrect Blue Morpho as "Venturion" as a twisted form of friendship, as well as spite, as though to say, "You will never get away from me. I own you, now."
Jonas did nothing wrong
I just watched Sharky's Machine for the first time. It was pretty good.
I especially liked how the killer was going to blow his own brains out in the end, but that wasn't good enough for Sharky. He had to shoot the guy himself.
I do wish they would continue the series even if it is in like a novel.
I think a continuation is very possible, but who knows with the nightmare that modern television has become
I have a mighty need for more Bobbi.
I don't think he is meant to be redeemable
How the frick was jj so good?
He had the best traits of jhonas and rusty and none of the bad ones
Well not entirely the best. He still had his father's ego.
He was so good they had to nerf his height
That, and he didn't get the chance to experience the same hardships Rusty went through when he was growing up. So he had that going on.
Combination of: lacked Rusty's traumas and baggage therefore operating at peak potential, shunning the super science lifestyle in favor of largely practical science, and the inherent power of the Venture lineage
>Rusty was a clone and still managed to have a JJ in him.
Did the monarch have a JJ inside him?
no, JJ was an aberration
JJ is an interesting enigma now with all the clone stuff. He's either something that happened when the original Rusty was conceived, or became a thing when Rusty was cloned. They probably left that detail open since they seem to love never fully tying off threads neatly, always letting a strand or two be left
>Somehow VB gets another season
>Monarch finds out JJ was in Rusty and gets himself checked
>finds a JJ in him
>Team Monarch now has a kid, complete with 'shows adding a kid to keep the ratings up' spoof
Could it work y/n?
So like Mini Me shenanigans with Monarch?
No and i didn't really want it to happen.
I like that he was a c**t
I know this isn't what this thread is about but the way Gathers says "YOU'RE AN INFANT" to Shore Leave absolutely kills me
God I loved SPHINX
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So was the jingle originally caused by the creepy Sphinx ship and then Shoreleave because they removed that feature?
SPHINX!
Gathers is the best character in the show.
Why would you want him to be? Sometimes it’s nice to just have irredeemable villain characters.
Because 1. He wasn't really a villain or even an antagonist just a negative presence that loomed over the show 2. The theme of the show is very much despite how horrible everyone is none of them are just EVIL except maybe the literal demons but even then one of those demons was a pretty good guy who just wanted to help people self-actualize. I guess I wouldn't so much want Jonas redeemed as I'd want to see him humanized beyond his five second tantrum over Team Venture not getting behind Venturion.
The cloning process is a shit show, so probably not.
Given what Ben listed I'm still under the impression that Jj isn't so much a Vanished Twin as an evolved Teratoma.
>who just wanted to help people self-actualize
...as villains
Az who ZHEY vant to be. Dr. Venture had a choice, and ze important thing iz that he made it.
I would sally impossible
What a rotten guy.
That seems antithetical to his character. His good points have always been available to the public eye. His private life, well, that's not surprising for someone in his position.