If wokeness killed Marvel and DC, how is Webtoon growing while having a bunch of LGBT friendly comics in their front page?
If wokeness killed Marvel and DC, how is Webtoon growing while having a bunch of LGBT friendly comics in their front page?
If wokeness killed Marvel and DC, how is Webtoon growing while having a bunch of LGBT friendly comics in their front page?
Chinese fujos, next question.
One slit on your wrist with an exactoknife for every piece of cover art with flowers framing the drawn characters
where can i find these fujos
So can literally anyone just make a webtoon and upload there?
>So can literally anyone just make a webtoon and upload there?
Yes.
But there are format/size requirements.
There's 2 sections. One is open posting similar to any webcomic hosting service, the other is supported by the service itself where you can get paid for ads and such.
Because they're not using minorities as a shield against criticism or spreading the harmful idea that a black person can only succeed on the coattails of a white man's reputation.
Next question.
>or spreading the harmful idea that a black person can only succeed on the coattails of a white man's reputation.
Y'all really still triggered over Sam Wilson as Captain America huh?
I was thinking more "Iron Heart" and "Miles Morales" but at least in the latter it was done well.
Those are done just as well, you all just hate Black people.
>Those are done just as well
No they aren't you sub-human troony homosexual. It's you who hates black people for pushing those garbage characters as representation
I have no beef with black people. My beef is with those who shoehorn them into existing roles or use racebent expies instead of their established names being given screentime. Names like Blade, Green Lantern, Static, Storm, Black Manta, Cyborg, Spawn, and so on. Black Panther was a massive success and proof that there is a demand for black superheroes whose origins are unambiguously black. I don't want "Black Iron Man", I want existing black superheroes to rise up and say "We're here, always have been".
Wanna know how you can tell if it's actually being progressive or being tokenist? Here's a hint, if someone goes out of their way to draw unwarranted attention to someone's marginalized status (or worse, outright LIES about being the "First X and Y", including increasingly specific things in either X or Y), it's tokenist bullshit.
Black people are not your shield. If you want black voices to be heard (or any marginalized group for that matter), amplify the ones that speak, don't speak for them. Tokenists can take their lazy ideology and shove it up their asses.
>My beef is with those who shoehorn them into existing roles or use racebent expies instead of their established names being given screentime.
How do you explain how the decades of white legacy character never generated a vile reaction like a black legacy character?
Every black legacy character, had at least 2-3 more white characters who done the same.
Examples?
Flash, Spider-Man, Green lantern, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Aqualad, Superman and more.
Not seeing your point, there's no actual backlash except for random c**ts on twitter who have their hot takes signal boosted by clickbait sites (who are 100% behind the twatters)
I know this is likely bait but in the past "legacy characters" were generally either attempts at bringing back older less popular characters without having to resurrect them, an entirely new concept they wanted tied to something established, or a temporary change up that only lasted for a single story arc or run. The reason recent legacy characters have gotten so much flak is because over the past 8 years marvel started a trend of trying to "diversify" their heroes by essentially releasing a bunch of minority versions of established characters and then desperately trying to push them as the next big thing. At the same the writing for these characters and many books at the time seemed to take a nose dive with writers getting increasingly political both on the page and on social media. This trend ended up even effecting characters that were already well received like Miles.
Dude, Ben Reily gave Peter a coma because he worked with an obvious evil organization. He literally took over Spider-Man main comic for weeks. But somehow Miles is worse.
If Miles did what Ben did this site will be flooded and we will have at least 50 videos about it.
Wasn't this arc hated for how it handled both Ben and Peter though?
Show me a YouTube video from comic book fans criticizing it like Miles.
>17k subscribers
You just said to show you a video. Why are you moving the goalposts about subscribers?
>YoungRippa
Rent free
I don't see how anything in my post would give you the impression that I was saying Ben was superior to miles. Also what the frick kind of comparison are you even trying to make here? Of course people would be annoyed if they suddenly made miles a poorly written villain. They were annoyed when it happened to Ben here too.
Wasn't Ben a good guy in that run and they made him a "twist" villian for the third?
Sam Wilson was around since the 70s and knew Steve since then, him taking up the mantle 40 years later in a well built u event isn't as drastic as:
Iron Heart who didn't even knew Tony and just became an Ironman day 1 (she's also a thief and probably a psychopath). And Miles was suppose to be segregated to an "Elseworld" but was shifted to the mainland now and it's all bad.
Even I can see the problem people have with it; Sam was already a well established black superhero for decades until he took on the mantle twice. Yet it's only when he became Black Captain America that people start giving a shit about him. By all means it makes in universe yet the reaction does make it seem a black character can only succeed by riding others coattails.
Weird you pick one of the few examples Cinemaphile was universally fine with.
From what I can tell so far, characters follow a plot or interact with the world around them. I haven't encountered a comic where the gay pushes some agenda down a straw man's throat.
Also post favorite webtoonz Cinemaphile
Pic related and Emmy the robot are my favorites
You read webtoons? I only seen my niece read these books. Are you girl or a repressed gay?
Anon, you do realize that there are webtoons out there besides just gay stuff, right?
In fact, there's a lot of Korean webtoons that are just hetero porn.
Not that I would read most of them since most of them are NTR, fricking Koreans.
Reading moeshit and le comfy slice of life is gay.
Most slice of life is indeed gay. I can't help but find Yuru Camp cozy af though.
I was a teenage mercenary
Boxer
Doom breaker
unordinary
manager kim
hanlim gym
the world after the fall
In Our Shadow
have a nice day, you are not welcome here.
God of Highschool
Hitori no Shita is good too.
>have 3 good arcs
>everything else is mediocre
space boy
currently on hiatus but its a damn good read with gorgeous art
Because they're not woke, just libertarian.
Gay isn't used to groom children or nails.
It's used as a way to sell media to people who are interested in gay shit.
It's open and earnest
Not used to manipulate the sexuality of children
They also allow anyone to make stuff and give it a chance to succeed.
Not writing the same tired shit using 200 year old characters that are totally devoid of life nobility and sincerity.
This is the critical difference. Gay shit because the person paying for it wants it, not because it's "right".
My favorite story is Omniscient Reader by Sing Shong. Art is top tier as well.
Because those comics are actually gay, DC and Marvel are just trying to attract the gay audience.
idk how much lgbt content in webtoon because i only follow lookism series
I don't think it's that, i think it's just that superheroes are fricking boring and been done to death since they've been around for almost 100 years. It's almost impossible to do anything interesting with them anymore, time to put those capes into the closet
You can say that about any genre though; it wouldn't explain why My Hero Academia and One Punch Man still sell well.
anime
Still capeshit. Honestly as much people like to shit on capeshit on this thread, superheroes are still appealing to a lot of people. It's just that A. continuity is a big problem and B. Marvel and DC are plain bad at capeshit lately.
My hero is a generic shonen that have basic shit like an edgy rival and tournament arc. One punch is a subversive shonen comedy.
They don't focus on saving lives or anything you will get from a capeshit comic. It's like saying that this successful webtoon, wayne family adventures is capeshit.
>They don't focus on saving lives or anything you will get from a capeshit comic.
The frick are you talking about? My Hero makes a big deal about saving lives and being the hope bringer you society.
You do realize capeshit isn't just saving people for several pages right? Superheroes are just a just a sub genre that mixes other genres; there's superhero space operas, superhero horror, superhero comedies and even superhero romances. So your example would be capeshit it would just be filed under superhero slice of life.
Is boyfriends successful on webtoons despite the controversy it caused
Probably, doubt that majority of readers even know that there's some sort of controversy about it
>the controversy it caused
What controversy are you talking about?
Gays trans and more are randomly upset for this comic about two gay couples for some reason
I guess they're mad because it has simplistic stereotypes of gay people and it's popular. But then again the comic is not supposed to be some LotR of gays, but just dumb fluffy popcorn like Garfield or something
Because Webtoons does more than just capeshit while all the non-cape industry comics get drowned out because they're not instantly profitable.
Because Marvek and DC are generally badly written and weighed down by their continuity + the people writing them are completely out of touch with the people are actually interested in reading 'woke' stuff.
Bookmarks? When was the last time you visited Cinemaphile's front page?
Wokeness didn't invent homos, they invented the idea that they were an oppressed minority fighting for the right to love someone of the same sex ( which is called friendship)
It is completely poisonous to trying to make any kind of artistic work of quality as it ruins your understanding of reality and yourself. Understanding yourself is particularly important for making artwork.
This is also why people in comics and cartoons hate things like Ren and Stimpy or conservative comics, as they dispel their delusions
Because when Marvel and DC do it, they are about as subtle as a GI JOE PSA, minus the charm.
This.
>DC and Marvel
>FLAMBOYANT GAY SPIDER MAN, SUPERMAN IS NOW GAY, TAKE THAT CHUDS
>yuri/yaoi
>"I'm in high school and my classmate is a dragon/vampire/esper and I think I'm in love with them"
its the same shit
>BY ODIN'S FADE
Teenagers actually want to read their stories. Marvel and DC have an identity crisis where they want to appear new reader friendly on the outside but the comics are still very much geared towards enfranchised readers, much to their chagrin since old white guys don't want to read about gay 20 somethings.
I've only read one of those, and it's fairly well-written with likable characters. Or maybe I'm just biased towards anything with a cool werewolf in it.
Because it didn't kill them. You know your narrative is completely unsupported by evidence, right?
Right, of course. They're not dead, they're just barely hanging on.
"Wokeness" didn't kill off comics, it just angered the braindead readers who were propping them up despite years of bad writing.
>free comics of almost any genre VS cape with the same characters that are almost a century old
Hmmmm
Webtoons do better than capeshit because they're not capeshit.
They can write whatever they want, it's cheaper and more convenient too. maybe the publisher can censor some stuff, but it gives more freedom
Webtoons are usually made by people who don't use minorities as a shield for their incompetence
>even webtoons are better than capeshit
How much lower can they sink
You don't have to pay
idk i dont read comics
It was designed for homosexuals since the very start
any with good art?
i hate that webcomics generic art
Because they also have shit about dudes mind controlling big titty women with magic powers
Webtoon's main audience has always been women so they're just pandering to their userbase. Capeshit's main audience has always been boys yet they're currently pandering to a completely different audience, chasing their main audience away.
It's like how if NASCAR started to pander to woke shit it would kill it, yet at the same time pride parades are flourishing thanks to woke shit. Different audiences.
One has gay shit that panders to fujoshi, by other fujos most of the time. Marvel/DC make woke shit that panders to no one and generally makes annoying garbage that not even fujoshi like to see.
Pick and choose.
There's other stuff there too and they don't have an established but dissapointed fanbase to work with.
>how is Webtoon growing while having a bunch of LGBT friendly comics in their front page?
>Borderline South Korean rape porn that glamorous abusive relationship is what Cinemaphile consider LGBT friendly
What did Cinemaphileumblr mean by this?
This. Half the popular comics on Web toon for women are about falling in love with your abuser or changing a handsome bad boy who raping you.
Most popular webcomics are slice of life stuff
Wrong, it's about the cute shy boy falling in love with his handsome bully.
When will Dc/Marvel turds realize that no one likes their shitty, inconsistent art and never ending stories and crossovers, and comics that aren't really stories but overblown updates on the current status quo?
the problem is always accessibility
comics are in the sorry state they're in because they stick to archaic distribution methods and stories are hard to get into
They offer a variety of programs to get published. I had a discovery series that was a labor of love, then I got a deal with an AP of $25k for a different series.
Maybe it's because Webtoons isn't a "universe" and doesn't have 80 plus years of stories and characters under it's wing.
All of the Webcomics on Webtoons are their own separate thing written by separate people and has a beginning, (sometimes) a middle, and (rarely) a end, unlike DC/Marvel that was built to last for an indefinite amount of time.
Also unlike DC/Marvel if one change occurs in one story the whole well is tainted (i.e. if a characters get sent to another planet in one story it will effect the other comics they are currently appearing in). This doesn't happen in Webtoons because there is no "Webtooniverse".
Webtoons is also immune to "legacy characters" that are gay, ethic and totally strangers to the audience and the heroes they're succeeding that only exist to fill a quota (Was Jane Thor REALLLY necessary?; Was Ironheart necessary?)
TL;DR Even though SOME Webtoons are "gay" they aren't effect the other comics nor are they "soiling" 80 year old established characters and stories in under a year.
By having actually interesting writing that actually respects whoever it's representing instead of corpo "insert race and/or sexual orientation here" writing.
webtoons is more appealing to young people.
Marvel+DC comics have the double whammy of not being appealing to young people and pissing off their older reading group.
Maybe because webtoons have always catered for fujos and those comics are made by other fujos. Meanwhile comics hire some middle-aged straight dude to write the most obvious liberal pandering which interests no one else than his ego.
Business model wise, Webtoons is the webcomic monopoly.
That's it. They are the only webcomic company now. So they're growing because it's the only place to host webcomics that isn't a dying personal website.
>monopoly
I'm impressed nobody knows what other logo is. That Kakaopage, Naver/Webtoon biggest rival. It's odd to be talking about Webtoon without it's rivals like Kakaopage, Toomics, Toptoon, etc.
WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL AMERICAN COMICS, Cinemaphile? YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE ORIGINAL AMERICANS COMICS
Is there even a point in trying webcomics if you don't have an anime-esque artstyle
Yes, just look at Homestuck.
Because Marvel and DC don't do wokeness well. Other stuff from actually LGBT authors is good because all they do is just write LGBT people as normal people instead of poster children to show how inclusive and woke they are like Marvel and DC's performative wokeness which is extremely obvious, not genuine at all, and extremely forceful.
That and other LGBT comics tend to be full of coomer bait for gay people
The sad part is that they used to be good at introducing minority characters. Most of the time, and in DC's case they needed help from their imprints. But they had a better batting average compared to the 2010s onwards.
tbh every decade his its libcringe. In the 70s it was Power Man and other blaxploitation-derived works. In the 80s and 90s it was what McDuffie referred to as the Teenage Black Ninja Thrashers. In the 00s it was Hudlin's Black Panther run, and that was written by a black guy as opposed to the usual well-intentioned white guy (though Aaron McGruder accused him of wanting to be white in that Boondocks episode). There will always be cringe. The nature of the cringe will change with the times.
>In the 80s and 90s it was what McDuffie referred to as the Teenage Black Ninja Thrashers.
The most bizarre thing about this trend is that was a stereotype and audience that didn't exist. Skateboarding didn't really pick up with black youth until the 00s and even to this day it's somewhat niche in that demographic.
Because those comics involve actual romance and even some fetish elements which attracts a certain audience. Unlike the soulless corporate preaching you get at more established brands. Also webtoons has so much shit you're bound to find something you enjoy even if it's not very good. For example I just read a comic there where sentient rats in mech suits commit genocide in Madagascar. You can't get that at marvel.
Remember that The New Warriors disaster? That's a perfect example why Marvel shouldn't try being woke.
It’s because Marvel and DC’s brand of wokeness is incompetence by old senile men who don’t actually understand their readership. The perfect example of this is Jon being gay. The only reason people wanted him to be gay was to ship him with Damian, but DC fudged this up and instead made him get with an OC. The fujos I know were mad as hell about this. People didn’t want Jon to be gay for representation—they wanted him to be gay because they thought him and Damian kissing would be cute.
>People didn’t want Jon to be gay for representation—they wanted him to be gay because they thought him and Damian kissing would be cute.
This is all of it summed up.
To be honest this is why Western fujos should just be honest. They're ashamed of being fujos because it's "fetishization" so they make up bullshit reasons that they just want representations. But the truth is they want Damian and Jon to kiss, because they're fujos. Execs are dumbasses so they won't understand nuance like this.
Something happened in the early 2010s that turned a generation of BL lovers into social justice nutjobs and I can't put my finger on one exact thing. It even effected yurigays in the long run.
>something
That something is called Voltron
Nah this was happening before that. Voltron was the symptom not the cause.
You'd think Voltron fandom would be the clearest possible warning not to become social justice wackos.
Probably because those LGBT comics are AIMED at the LGBT audience.
No one reads Marvel/DC for LGBT content
Different audiences.
Becase it did. Nobody here talks about webtoons because only 18 tears old use it and they see no reason to use Cinemaphile when they have twitter
One is people creating their own stories. The other is corpo fanfiction.
I make a popular webtoon that is BL genre because it pays bills. I have no problem with homosexual comic stuff and I can even write it pretty well, but I despise it being shoehorned into superhero action comics that have existed for years. Genres exist for a reason. There is an audience for what I make on webtoon, it is expected. That audience is minuscule in the mainstream superhero comic world and it sucks that people are trying to ruin it.
>genres exist for a reason
So, romance of any kind shouldn't be in a superhero comic? Or a horror comic? Or a funny comic? You know, since those are all different genres and genres, according to you, shouldn't mix.
correct. 10 percent at max.
It's free to read and easily accessible unlike marvel and DC that require you to go in to speciality shops full of weirdos in order to pay $5 for 20 pages of decompressed storytelling and woketard millenial groomer propaganda
Most webtoons sucks and are pozzed, but thing about it is:
>Its done by indie artists that want to do a webcomic. Mostly no corporate stuff
>There is nothing to corrupt & shoehorn crap into. Most webtoons are original
>The pozedness & diversity stuff is, compared to most mainstream comics, "natural"
>Its free to read, and Webtoon push the Coin system for only those that cant wait to read the next unreleased officially chapter; Or more than one chapter a day, from a finished series.
>There a re all types & categories of comics to browse & choose from. You arent forced into only either capeshit, or teen angsty-melodrama.
So the choice between webtoons and capeshitand most american comics its obvious.
>The pozedness & diversity stuff is, compared to most mainstream comics, "natural"
>it's okay when it's original
Then why do you frickers hate shit like Steven Universe and CotC
never seen either but probably because they took the time slot and resources away from other things people would have preferred to see. webcomics is an infinite landscape so nothing is taking away from anything else
The most popular webtoons are slice of life stuff
Cause it actually kill all the bad woke shit without remorse if it doesn't perform so all the woke shit left is inserted in a story that garner an actual following regardless of it..
Also it's carried by Korean stuff.