>if you invade a planet and force their leader to sign a treaty at gunpoint then it's legally okay
What.
>if you invade a planet and force their leader to sign a treaty at gunpoint then it's legally okay
>if you invade a planet and force their leader to sign a treaty at gunpoint then it's legally okay
What.
"Star Wars Episode I needed a political message to contextualize the rise of Emperor Palpatine and the fall of the Galactic Republic. By exploring themes of corruption, manipulation, and the dangers of unchecked power, it added depth to the storyline and reflected real-world political dynamics, making the galaxy far, far away feel more relatable and engaging." Kys
Said no one ever
FPBP
rlm shits got btfo into the trash can they belong to
It makes no sense that the New Republic had no military and just relied on the Jedi. And it made no sense that they'd just randomly accept a mysterious clone army that appeared out of nowhere either
Let's further discuss how the "galactic Republic" never had anymore of a army than a few thousand jedi. What was stopping the Hutt cartel, black sun, ect from gaining control of corosaunt and then taking over the "senate" and ruling from there outwards? Did they just not care and were content to stay in the outer rims doing spice runs, selling slaves ect?
planets had their own militaries. it was more of a galactic confederation.
So what stopped as I mentioned these huge gangs that literally own planets from taking them over ghengis khang style?
Corosaunt probably had a big military because its got like 666 trillion people. the hutts did take over some planets though right? tatooine was a hutt place
Tattooine was a shithole outside of republic space.
...right, so they had no protection. what are you confused about? why the Hutts didn't attack planets with a strong military?
Coruscant had its own planetary defence system. The hutts were no threat to the Republic. A jedi strike team could have destroyed their entire cartel. You might as well be asking why the mafia doesn't just take over the USA.
I get that you're jerking off to the yous, but this is low tier trolling.
Okay but the hutts are gangsters they easily could've won
>gangsters
Hutts are woefully misrepresented in Star Wars. They're stereotyped as criminals, but the reality is vastly different, nigh Hutt in proportion we can say. While their commercial activities are demonstrably at odds with Galactic Republic standards of legitimacy, none of their cultural imperatives or traits are in defiance of their own civilization's laws or mores. Within Hutt parameters their activities are not criminal but rather wholly legal and the pursuit of them is frequently laudable. Dismissing this as merely characteristic of criminality's rejection of social strictures is poor reasoning because, unlike examples of organized crime in Earth's past and present, the Hutts' ways predate the introduction of Republican laws criminalizing their deeds.
I posit that it is far more reasonable to see the Hutts as a parallel civilization of unadulterated capitalism existing within a racial and tribal hierarchy whose social order prioritizes dominance over other species. These species fulfill the function of servitude for a system which is built upon a precept not of the individual as a citizen but rather upon tribes and clans as the quantum unit of society. Insofar as the individual of subject species does exist for Hutts, it is not as a person entered into a social contract whose purpose is mutual or reciprocal. No, the individual in Hutt sociology is a unit of labor, bricks in a pyramid which exists to facilitate ascension of the Hutt species. We might not approve their civilization but we ought to appreciate it as a civilization, not dismiss it as a lawless underworld. Actually, in Hutt Space, "crime" is the lawful overworld.
Tatooine didn't have a goverment at all. There were shitloads of planets that were irreverent or had no political affiliation.
what is your point
That it was an out of the way dump that no one gave the slightest frick about. Jabba just set up his base there. He didn't have to fight anyone or need an armada or army of any kind, he just moved in. It's in no way comparable to trying to take over a planet that has an established government.
anon, the original point was a question asking why he didn't conquer bigger planets. i'm saying the same thing as you at this point, they have defenses.
because if they did, a league of militia ships led by Jedi would've destroyed them
Qui Gon and Mace Windu alone would decimate the Hutt
Jedis in TPM, Sith blindness aside, are at their peak
Mace Dindus Black person ass would have gladly participated in that slaughter but Qui Gon didnt give a shit about the jedi council and their petty gang wars.
>missing the point this badly
The point is that a few jedi could destroy the huts operation. The hutts weren't stupid enough to mess with the jedi.
>Mace Windu
Ah when star wars died. Snakes on a plane muthafricker. Look at my special purple lightsabre, Lando was fine. However samuel l jackson can't act and had an american accent ruining a key scene.
>and had an american accent
So does half of the cast in the OT
He was windu nuffin'ing a senior citizen and a public official when he was defenestered by good samaritan bystanders.
That's literally the plot. How did you not understand this?
>The plot of star wars is why the republic doesn't have a army
Are YOU moronic or just pretending?
Hutt civilisation is literally older than the Republic, it was around more than 25000 years ago. They don't give a shit what the latest upstart "republic" is doing, especially considering that the Republic goes down more often than a prostitute.
Why did palpatine waste his time and money with the whole clone plot when the drones would have mopped up the jedis just fine with suicide bombings during the trade war.
Erm… don’t you understand… the Jedis were loved or something even though it took only 1 false flag with 0 evidence to convince everyone otherwise
Why didn't palpatine just use his droid and clone army to conquer the stars. The Jedi would be outnumbered 50000 to 1 against a combined droid clone army
he didn't want to conquer stars, he wanted to conquer planets
Droid armies apparently need a central command to function, which Anakin blew up at the end of TPM, this led to exploring alternatives (clone armies, fusing living beings with Droid technology aka Grievous and eventually Vader)
It's funny how needing a central command never came back up virtually at any point in the Clone Wars(s)
They made some design changes. It solved the central control ship vulnerability but the droids were acting more and more erratic as the wars went on, to the point of displaying cowardice, stupidity and so on.
That's so immensely silly, you understand that right?
How so?
>making battlefield robots that feel scared and go "ohh noooo it's a c-c-clone run!"
Damn I forgot all about that shit. Why did the Trade Federation chinks allow the space pajeets to lazily program their cowardly personalities into the killer drone armies that were autonomous until the plot didnt need them to be!?!?!?
They weren't programed that way, they developed those personalities after years of being exposed to droids being btfo by clones and jedi.
Why would droids be btfo by jedi pedos? Most of them were shit and all you have to program is dont fire at them because they cast Auto-Reflect with their lightsabers when you try to beam spam them. Just trigger your anti-personnel payload on droids one at a time by the dozens until the jedi are swiss cheese. No jedi has ever shown fine tuned force control on that level in georges movies.
All you have to do is watch the prequels to see that it's a fact. Your post is irrelevant nonsense.
They didn't deliberately make droids that were scared. It's long been established in star wars lore that droids that aren't memory wiped will develop personalities, that goes right back to the original movie.
R2 isn't a killer war bot.
So? It applies to all droids. Look at ig88.
Lol Sheev never planned on making Anakin into a Vader, Anakin losing his duel wasn't part of the grand plan.
How the frick is running drone armies from orbital command centers in any way efficient when you can employ cheap near ftl nuke or even warp suicides with ai drones as a defence. Ignoring that the latency would make your shit useless unless you were opening some kind of warp drift to command drones planet side on a constant basis.
Star wars has faster the light comms, how do you think people in different solar systems talk to each other in real time?
They dont. Warp shit costs to bypass gay Black person physics as explained by the sequels.
>cheap near ftl nuke or even warp suicides with ai drones as a defence.
Same reason why all space battles have sound and operate in WW2 dogfights. It looks cooler to have bipedal robots as enemies than a plane to kill you before you even see it. Also OOM droids are intended to be security droids, so having a borderline army of security guards plus "trucks" to carry them sounds a lot more reasonable than owning straight up nukes.
Pretty much every planet that mattered was a part of the Republic and there hadn't been a galactic war in thousands of years. Why would they have a republic army? Between the jedi and planetary armies, there was no need.
Planets had their own armies and security forces. It's a bit like how there is no "European Union Army". A bit unusual, but not 100% impossible
You see, it was all a metaphor for.. um.. MIDWIT!!!!!
>Midwits are still getting filtered by Phantom Menace
The whole forcing a treaty at gunpoint WAS THE WHOLE POINT, you dumb homosexual. It was a manufactured conflict so Palpatine could take power.
If the treaty would have solved the conflict there and then, why would Palpatine want it signed when he was aiming for a conflict?
The whole point was to get the bullshit treaty signed to create conflict, doofus.
Why would it have created conflict? It seems that conflict arose and gave Palpatine the opportunity for a promotion specifically because the treaty wasn't signed.
Because it was signed under duress
That's never specified in the film as a condition under which a response will be made. The Nemoidians seem to think that getting the treaty signed is in their interests and will legitimize the invasion in the eyes of the senate. Are they really just written to be idiots that don't know how the senate will react?
You're missing the point. All the players and their thought processes are irrelevant, because the entire purpose of the bullshit treaty is to create the exact chaos that propels Palpatine to Chancellor.
But Palpatine is urging the Federation against his own interests in that regard, and if they had succeeded in getting the treaty signed he wouldn't have gotten the Chancellorship at that stage. Why didn't he just concoct a plan that would guarantee the circumstances we see in the film, rather than arriving at them by sheer luck?
Watch this, it doesn't get any simpler
This doesn't explain what the logic is from the perspective of the Trade Federation. WHAT DO THEY GET OUT OF THIS?
Money. Power. Are you one of those autists from that Mauler debate?
Link for anyone that wants to see in real time just how moronic prequel haters are https://youtu.be/LeIUbPdk_XA?si=1o9URk5nY2LjHWTL
>10 hours of autists
Christ Almighty, anon. Nobody over 14 knows who these morons are.
The debate is only the first 5 hours lol before the only actual intelligent person in that call, Rick Worley, had to nope out because of the autism overload.
I normally avoid Mauler's content like the plague because the idea of listening to a bunch of discord autists talk about capeshit for 10 hours is just insane to me, but I am a fan of Worley's video essay on the prequels so I had to check this one out. Wish I hadn't though because it's a painful listen but also really demonstrates the way autistic people consume media.
>chudosphere
>prequel haters
pick one
Started listening to this and have to laugh at how stupid the anti-prequel arguments are
>we need to know the exact tax arrangements or the movie sucks!
It's completely and utterly irrelevant. The tax is just a backdrop for conflict.
If your entire plot of the first movie, the first machinations of your big secret bad, doesn't even get an explanation, then that's fricking stupid. The tax nonsense is the inciting incident and nobody, to this day can explain what it even was.
Nobody ever explains the actual political ideology of the rebels in IV-VI either, despite the rebellion being the inciting incident
Because it's not difficult to follow, Empire bad, Empire does bad things. It doesn't require a ten page dissertation on the structure of tax routes and legal code for the fricking Neimodians you colossal homosexual.
>It doesn't require a ten page dissertation on the structure of tax routes
he admit it
>being illiterate
>Because it's not difficult to follow
Same can be said of TPM, but it is still filtering morons 25 years on.
Do you people actually believe this or is it always just a bit for attention?
I'm not trolling. Sorry that I don't get my opinions from meme reviews on youtube.
Kek you literally do, YouTube zoomers do is go "the prequels are good um actually" which is nonsense.
I couldn't name one pro-prequel channel on youtube, so nice try. Any suggestions?
There are literally thousands of prequelgays making reevaluation videos on the prequels.
Sweet, give me some recommendations
I think it's implied, at least to the audience, that it's an attempt to a return to form. That being a Republic.
The plan was to slowly build up sympathy in the Senate for his bid at the Chancellorship during reelections. When Padme managed to get to Coruscant, (Maul's objective was to kill the Jedi and return her to Naboo) he decided to use her to expedite his plans
>so what exactly, from the Federation's perspective, are they getting out of their deal?
Favorable tax laws and an entire planet for them to do whatever the frick they want with
Meant for
...how does blockading a trailer park planet out in the middle rim and forcing a queen to sign on for an invasion, giving them "favorable tax laws"?
Those tax laws were what allowed them to do that in the first place, which they only got because they cooperated with Palpatine
You sound moronic, you aren't answering anything because there's nothing in the movie.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Prop_31-814D
>Prop 31-814D was an infamous Galactic Republic resolution that enabled the taxation of the Free Trade Zones. It was passed by the Galactic Senate towards the end of Finis Valorum's Chancellery, much to the chagrin of the Trade Federation. Around the same time, a pro-Federation bill concerning the Mid Rim trade routes was repeatedly debated, voted down, and re-introduced in the Senate. In retaliation for the profits it would lose to the tax, the Federation blockaded the planet of Naboo, additionally hoping their blockade couldn't help their own proposed bill.
>Unbeknownst to most, the Sith were behind the enactment of the law, as part of a long-running plot by the Dark Lord Darth Sidious to gain absolute power over the galaxy. The Federation's invasion of Naboo led to the planet's Senator, Sheev Palpatine, becoming Supreme Chancellor—but they had done so in part at the behest of Sidious, who was the same person. This allowed Sidious to continue his plans, which culminated in the formation of the Galactic Empire with himself as Emperor.
Lol literally none of this was IN the movie. It's also still nonsense.
>it doesnt count because it just doesnt ok!
convincing argument
>Don't you see, it makes sense if you read the extended material outside of the movie, where none of this is even remotely explained.
Prequelgays have autism..
i'm reading that he wanted to use these embargos to force treaties to create a rebeling entity for the federation to fight against. nobody wanted to go to war so they needed something to go to war over. from the federations perspective they get a free planet to exploit.
...but the Namodians are part of the Galactic Senate, what sense does it make to provoke the Republic into response when you also invade Naboo covertly?
Did you miss the entire scene where they were able to manipulate the Senate into stalling the investigation into the matter with pointless committees and deferments
The throwaway line that ends up asking more questions?
to start a war and create enemies. the point is the war, so having conflicting reasonings is not a plot hole.
Holy shit I'm getting obviously baited, from the perspective of the Trade Fed, nothing about the plan makes any sense.
Exactly. How is assassinating two of the senates most competent zogbots going to help your cause in any way. I understand why the corrupt jedi council sent them but letting them leave the meeting alive should have been impossible.
the trade federation get a whole planet for them to exploit! THEY don't think a war will happen. I don't even like this stupid movie but you're just being moronic at this point
What does a major Trade Federation need a single planet to "exploit"? You are just begging.
That whole thing was just a waste of droidekas. 9/11 the jedi temple and you get a much better outcome.
How would they even get close? Even palpatine didn't go after the jedi temple until most of the masters were off planet he already had anakin on side and 1000 troops backing him up.
Why wouldn't you just instantaneously nuke the Jedi temple once you get the droids, blame it on the Trade Federation and be done with it? Why the multiple steps of keikeku when you already control both armies?
homie really thinks the dude that can bankroll a clone army half a galaxy away in secret cant just orbital drop the temple. He can easily pull a mossad and shut off the iron shield on coruscant to pull off a jedi 10/7. What is the pedo council going to do? Force push a fricking proto star destroyer away?
The guy is so powerful he can brain fog the entire Jedi council everytime he is in the room, hide his power level and for some reason, can't just set up a bomb on the temple. Instead, he tries to kill a senator from some thing that happened a decade ago.
he wanted anikin to be his friend
Why even bother with Anakin other than that "he's Darth Vader in the original trilogy"? Who gives a dick if the force made a baby? Wouldn't hedging your bets just imply you nuke him along with the temple anyway?
Somebody set up us the bomb, that I can tell ya
Not every Jedi is in the Temple at all times. Having them all return from assignments would take way too long and be incredibly suspicious. He wanted TJD and that would be a less than ideal way to achieve it
If all of a sudden Putin just nuked the White House, the Pentagon and the entire military infrastructure, it wouldn't matter if some generals or members of Congress were alive...
>it wouldn't matter if some generals or members of Congress were alive...
The Empire was toppled because of a single Jedi
>zoomer misremembered how the trilogy went
Anon, a mythical hero of the Rebellion, after destroying their biggest military weapon, from the perspective of everyone in the Empire, strolled into the second Death Star, murdered the Emperor and dragged Darth Vader's body out into a hanger.
Yes, exactly. The Rebels would have been fricked time and time again were it not for Luke, a single Jedi.
He wasn't just a single Jedi, he was THE Jedi.
>he was THE Jedi.
That any other surviving Jedi theoretically could have been. Better to make sure they're all dead and increase your odds of staying in power
His father is literal space Jesus
So? That didn't mean shit until Luke actually got off his ass and did something. Any other Jedi COULD have done the same, even if it were unlikely, was too much of a risk to allow. Also there's the whole ideological thing of Sith fricking hating Jedi
Lol canonically, nobody can even touch Luke.
He got dabbed on by a fricking wampa and got his arm sliced off all in the same movie
You are comparing canon grand master Luke with "any random Jedi that happened to survive Order 66", that's what jm saying.
Luke wasn't a grand master when he saved Vader and killed Palpatine. He technically wasn't even a Jedi Knight
He was a Knight.
The rebels were just a loose affiliation of space warlords that were hellbent on committing suicide against the death star all their planets be damned. They had no concept of victory since they hinged their strategy on the blessings of the hokey space religion that mysteriously dissapeared 18~ years prior. No wonder the First Order pushed their gangster coalitions shit in.
>igga really thinks the dude that can bankroll a clone army half a galaxy away
That was Plagueis
>Plagueis
Anon, don't do that. Don't give me hope.
homie that's Expanded Universe AND Sheev inherited all those spacejewbucks anyway
Plagueis didn't die until the the night before palpatine become chancellor. Palaptine took over plans plagueis already had in place as well as having his own plans well under way.
the trade federation doesn't have complete power over planets, now they would. how is this confusing to you? its an offer of more power. its like asking why did the US need control over cubas sugar production before their revolution. its the same idea, whatever resources they get from naboo they now get control over.
>risk your political position in the entire Galactic Senate over a single planet nobody even believes you are invading in the first place because a hologram said so
Why can't you just admit it's fricking stupid
i don't see any evidence it risks anything for him. it seems stupid if the stuff you're inventing are true, but they are just things you're asserting
Christ anon
The Senate didn't even believe the invasion was happening so wtf was the point from their perspective...
the senate thinks the treaty is ending an embargo. the federation think its allowing them control. they both think they get something, and since its an agreement, it appears to be resolving a conflict.
The embargo happened before the treaty...
yeah dipshit! do you know what ending means? ending the embargo? it would have to occur before it ends now wouldn't it?
yes the movie should have given it MORE weight than the other choices Lucas decided he needed to show more. it is more interesting, and shouldn't have been in the background.
>yeah dipshit! do you know what ending means? ending the embargo? it would have to occur before it ends now wouldn't it?
Do you smell toast or something?
you literally think a treaty can't end an embargo because the embargo was before. you shouldn't be accusing anyone else of brain issues.
I was pointing out you didn't know how the events happened sequentially in the movie.
but i did. i said it ended an embargo. you implied that was impossible because the embargo started before it ended.
Anon, you said the embargo happened after they signed the treaty. The blockade was the very first thing that happened in the fricking movie.
no i didn't.
>treaty is ending an embargo.
thats what i said. do you have a learning disability?
Did you forget what you posted?
i just copy and pasted what i posted. are you saying i didn't post what was in the green text there?
>yes the movie should have given it MORE weight
Qui gon insisting that he was the chosen one and that he would take anakin as his padawan did that.
there's no weight in those two lines having relation to each other. its poor film making. instead, the spotlight was on his mitochlorians, most people think that is why they think he's the chosen one
Everyone who wasn't moronic like you understood how important anakin was and how strongly qui gon felt about it.
that's not the point. the point is what Lucas focused on. seeing the connection to palpatines manipulation would have been cooler, and more interesting. its not about understanding it, its about which things were shown and how they were shown. i don't actually think you're capable of distinguishing this, you probably have too much autism to really talk about style choices, script choices, or things of that nature.
No one gives a frick if you don't like George's choices. He got the message across. Palaptine didn't even know Anakin existed until he showed up on Coruscant.
>he got the message across
He clearly didn't.
As already mentioned, he did for everyone who's not moronic.
i dont even think you get the message
Buddy, the people who are moronic think the prequels make any sense at all. You've been the butt of jokes for 25 years at this point.
The prequels make sense.
>the assassination plot blocks your path
you know this movie was poorly received right? a lot of people dont like his choices. the lines in TPM about life, and sidious talking about creating life with the force should have had the same weight. you don't need to go to bat for each decision george made. its bedtime for you anyways
It had mixed reviews but was extremely successful and got a whole new generation to become lifelong fans.
that last disney star wars was extremely successful too
Not really. No one gives a frick about nu wars. The toys didn't sell. No new generation of fans was established.
Getting the treaty signed would have reduced the sympathy he could get over the Naboo issue. Why wouldn't he just have realized from the beginning that covertly aiding in the queen's escape would have been the easiest way to generate sympathy?
Because it's written by an idiot.
>Why wouldn't he just have realized from the beginning that covertly aiding in the queen's escape would have been the easiest way to generate sympathy?
You mean the very thing he did?
How did he do that? He was pressuring the federation to capture her and force her to sign the treaty, and he tried to kill the jedi who would escort her.
>Getting the treaty signed would have reduced the sympathy he could get over the Naboo issue
He had fingers in every pie. He could easily generate sympathy among the Senate using sob stories about how the TF were subjugating his people despite the treaty saying they presumably couldn't
How do you not understand that what you just said doesn't make any sense?
>hey buddy, remember how i helped you pass blank? well help me peddle this story about how my planet is literally being occupied to help my campaign for chancellor
...so...you think the Namodians KNOW he's Palpatine? Because if they don't, none of their actions make any sense.
So basically, nothing in this story matters, the outcome was predetermined from the beginning, and any variables would all steer down the same path. That makes Palpatine an extremely uncompelling antagonist.
thats a giant leap. the trade embargo mattered to show strong arming planets into treatise was happening. so that mattered.
>So basically, nothing in this story matters, the outcome was predetermined from the beginning
Yes. Everyone fell for his keikaku because he's a conniving Sith Lord. Just like how the Rebels fell for his keikaku in RotJ
No, of course not. The TF were always meant to be stooges that he could use then toss aside when it became convenient to do so
If they don't know he's Palpatine then then agreeing to the invasion is literally nonsense.
He already proved he could deliver by allowing them to invade Naboo to begin with
THEY LITERALLY GOT CAUGHT BY JEDI AND WERE ARRESTED A DAY LATER.
Because Palpatine decided that was the better course of action when the Jedi survived his numerous attempts at killing them and brought eh Queen safely to Coruscant
Why can't you understand how stupid this sounds to a rational person?
How? His original plans got a wrench thrown in them so he just said frick it and tried something else which ended up working just fine
>how
Read the thread.
>palpatine played everyone that makes him a bad antagonist.
It's bad because he could play anyone no matter what the circumstance. That means nothing he or the protagonists actually did mattered, he didn't demonstrate any shrewdness and cut his path through the events, one path was apparently equally as good as another and he would have won no matter what. He's just a villain version of Rey where everything is sorted out for him because that's the damn story we're telling. I guess they're both Palpatines so it makes sense.
you're just entering the plot at an end point. heroes show up too late. and these are prequels so we know he won. its just about how it happened.
this might be an issue with prequels conceptually (i think so) but there was never anything anyone in the audience should be thinking as to "is this guy going to be stopped!"
Which is a nonsense reason, because and follow me on this...you have to suspend disbelief by having the movie give you characters and their reasons for doing things not just because "everyone needs starting positions for the original trilogy" so what exactly, from the Federation's perspective, are they getting out of their deal?
Even if it was. Sheev and the TF could just bog down the senate proceedings into the matter to determine whether or not it was signed under duress like they already were with the actual invasion investigations
>I will make it legal
>ok but like, how? Are...are you in the Senate? We would then be confused, how does that exactly help us in the long run? Seems like we aren't getting anything out of this deal really and just using all of our material wealth on this invasion we really don't understand.
They weren't his partners.
He orders them around pretty hard. They're obviously terrified of him, so they are probably being forced in some way.
>they are terrified
why...
>being forced in some way
HOW
he has a sinister black robe he bought at space hottopic, it gave him +10 intimidation
I'd be pretty fricking scared if this dude walked into my office and told me he's going to kill me if I didn't accept his master's business proposal.
>this weird homosexual shows up
>just shoot gas into your conference room the correct way or jettison part of the ship into space
>shoot gas into your conference room the correct way
Maul could probably hold his breath and slice the door open just like Qui Gon and Obi Wan did, but the idea that Nute Gunray tried it on Maul and was so moronic that he tried to do the same thing a second time on the Jedi is funny to me.
>hello I am Darth Maul and I...
>what? Oh, yeah I suppose you wouldn't know what that means, I'm a sith lord. Still not familiar? Uh...ok, well Sheev-Sidious told me to help you out.
>I...I actually don't know what I'm doing here to be honest, the only reason I'd be physically on this planet is if I saw the future and knew Jedi would be coming back to Naboo, which is absurd, how would I know that?
>even if that happens, why wouldn't I suspect that's a trap by the Council to capture me instead?
Why the frick is he even on Naboo? Why did he fly from Coruscant, to Tattoine and then to Naboo?
He was a good friend.
>which is absurd, how would I know that?
Because precognition was already established as something Jedi and Sith can do
So he precogged the entire plot of the movie to the point where he was there on the exact day, at the exact time they would be in the hanger for some reason but not precogged enough to tell himself "maybe swing at the idiot flying 200 feet up a shaft"?
He precogged himself getting sliced in half but it was ok because george and filoni gave him metal bug legs.¯_(ツ)_/¯ i
they were all precoging each other during the fight changing their moves to the new precog that takes the old precog when you change what happens each time you precog
Always in motion is the future
Padme literally told Palpatine she was returning to Naboo. While she was rallying the gungans, Maul flew to the capital and waited
Lol so how did he get a message to Maul to fly back to Naboo?
>can't answer
Sheev is on Coruscant, they literally establish that it's difficult to send out a message from Tattoine because of the Hutts, so how does Sheev not only get a marching order out to Maul, but then, somehow, get to Naboo fricking first?
>they literally establish that it's difficult to send out a message from Tattoine because of the Hutts
You're actually moronic. It's dangerous for PADME to send a message from ANYWHERE because she's on the run and being hunted by the Trade Federation. The Hutts running Tatoonie was just a deterrent from landing there
>so how does Sheev not only get a marching order out to Maul
By sending him a normal fricking message
>but then, somehow, get to Naboo fricking first?
Because Tatoonie is closer to Naboo than Coruscant, which is why Qui-Gon decided to go there in the first place
Tattoine is in the outer rim, why would Maul be told to go back there? What sense does it make to have him go there? He didn't actually know the Jedi would head straight back to Naboo, because they fricking didn't, remember? So none of it makes any sense. They don't send out long comms because of them being monitored, why isn't that true of Sheev's communications?
It's all stupid.
you're just asking questions that have already been answered for you. just watching this conversation you seem moronic, i'm able to follow it all and haven't seen the movie in like 11100 years, its frankly strange you can't grasp it
It's fricking stupid and you are a midwit, having Maul going back to Naboo exposes Sheev early, why would he risk having the Jedi capture him? Sheev didn't actually know or expect the Jedi to personally be involved with going back to the planet, so how does it make any sense for Maul to stick around? I just want you to admit you are dumb and it's because "the movie has to have him there".
>Tattoine is in the outer rim, why would Maul be told to go back there? What sense does it make to have him go there?
Tatooine is close to naboo. The trade federation's hold on naboo was still tenuous. Maul going back there strengthened their hold.
>Maul going back there strengthened their hold.
...how? He does nothing while there. Does he make mean faces on zoom calls?
Please explain why you would send Maul back to Naboo a second time, to do what exactly? For all Sheev knows, Yoda just sent fifty Jedi down to the planet. Was it keikeku to assume that the Republic, after being TOLD of the invasion, would just send two guys down there again?
>Please explain why you would send Maul back to Naboo a second time, to do what exactly?
Help the Federation capture Padme
> Was it keikeku to assume that the Republic, after being TOLD of the invasion, would just send two guys down there again?
Yes. because Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan being sent to Naboo in the first place was an under the table thing with Valorum and Sheev
Lol what's even the point of capturing her at this point? It's all fricking nonsense, they already control the planet and are getting away with it, what would it even matter? It's all such tiresome nonsense.
>Lol what's even the point of capturing her at this point?
To sign the treaty and legitimize their occupation for when the Republic finally gets around to officially investigating it
They already have the fricking planet. It doesn't matter. It literally doesn't matter if she signs anything. They can just kill her and pretend nothing happened and the Republic would just shrug and go "well alright blah blah taxes and stuff".
It's actually kind of funny, but Padme isn't even a Queen by birthright. If the aliens wanted to, they could have just forced the planet to vote for a new queen, one handpicked by them.
If some fake treaty can be considered legit, some puppet ruler would too.
if someone answers why they'd want to capture padme, are you going to gloss over that like every other time you get a question answered and think up some other thing you didn't understand? at this point its just stuff you didn't get and you're yelling at everyone who did.
I'm trying to make you understand why the logic of the movie is moronic, anon. Please develop critical thinking skills.
but the padmen one isn't moronic, its a central plotpoint that makes sense. its tied directly with the premise. you not getting why is not the fault of the movie. it has lots of issues but the questions your asking all have answers and they aren't hidden
He's a metaphor for Isreal
Why didn't they just nuke the Jedi temple and take over Coruscant?
The point was to show how ineffectual the Republic was so Sheev could dropkick Valorum out of office.
Why didn't the republic just blockade trade federation planets? If the trade federation want to starve republic planets then doing it to them is fair game.
The treaty was for Naboo hiring the Trade Federation to provide planetary security. Any talk of an 'invasion' or 'takeover' are misinformed rabblerousers
greatest Cinemaphile thread of all time
WE LOS' DA TRAN'MISSION SAH
WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAAAACE
haha
SIR THEY'VE GONE UP THE VENTILATION SHAFT
Isn't that what happened with Japan in WW2?
op is a homosexual and moron.
Isn't that what the US did to Japan in the 1800s?
It’s so baffling to me how many people don’t understand the prequels
Even fricking alex jones does
i literally just don't remember what the treaty was about. there was a pre-existing trade embargo? or did this create the embargo?
A treaty legitimizing their capture of Naboo.
thanks
someday anon. its really just too long imo. that podrace goes on for like a day and a half it feels like. i have some vivid memories of stuff i just don't feel like sitting through again, and the script just glossing over the revelation of Anikins immaculate conception bothers me a lot
>and the script just glossing over the revelation of Anikins immaculate conception bothers me a lot
What were you expecting? Reddit Black person. How the frick was she supposed to know or understand how she became pregnant?
the fricking Jedi she was talking to should have reacted. considering that whole goddamn prophecy.
And they do
they really don't.
Did you want a song and dance from him? He decided to take anakin to the council specifically because he suspected his importance. He told her the force was unusually strong with him. Did you want a scene where he lays out all the jedi lore and prophecy to some house maid?
>prequelgays are racists too
I was typing out the answer to you, but halfway through I realized that you should just watch the movie again
It's almost as if you can't name what the treaty was even about.
>filtered by lucas
What is the treaty actually about?
>Supreme Chancellor and honored delegates of the Republic, I appear before you today to beg your forgiveness. My inexperience with the responsibilities of state has led to make a faulty judgment. I hereby reverse my decision.
>Today I signed an agreement guaranteeing commercial exclusivity with the Trade Federation. Under the terms of this contract, Naboo and the Trade Federation will enter a new era of mutual prosperity—one which we hope will ultimately benefit all the member systems of the Republic.
>I respectfully request that you review the legality of these documents in preparation for my return to Coruscant. Once there, I will personally confirm this agreement before the Senate. We are grateful for your patience. End transmission.
Oh dang, what's the fricking timecode for when he says this in the movie?
It's in the book. If every part of the politics was in the movie you'd be crying about that. Your ilk cried enough about the parts that were in the movie. All the audience needed to know was that they needed her to sign the treaty to make the invasion legal.
Ok so it wasn't in the movie and it makes even less sense in the book? I accept your concession.
The Trade Federation has a deal with Naboo to ship all their plasma. When Padme ascends to the throne, she tries to back out. Jedi go to mediate the dispute, and the movie plays out. The Plagueis novel is good for background info.
Oh cool, what's the timestamp in the movie where they mention that? Is it on the extended cut?
Not in the film, but its a part of the canon. SW is not about telling a self-contained story. Sequels and complexity is not a vice.
>the movies are bad ON PURPOSE
and we've gotten here again...
They aren't bad on purpose. They just don't tell the whole story (neither did Terminator, Alien, etc.) Sequels and other forms of media exist lol
>this movie isn't a self contained story because if I don't say that, I might have to admit the writing is poor
Why can't you just say it's bad and you like it regardless
Because
>its not a bad movie
>I like it
>If you want to shit on SW for being bad, shit on AOTC and the Sequels.
He saw the Jedi as a meddlesome presence and was just going to have them disappeared, not killed. If they lived, there was a chance at stalemate or bringing it to the Senate.
It is objectively a poorly constructed film, just by shit composition alone.
The sequels at worst are just boring. The prequels are a complete fricking mess of nonsensical circus acts and moronic writing and everytime I rewatch them for fun I notice something new.
>The sequels at worst are just boring
lmao no
Hire an assassin to hire an assassin to frick up a bioweapon strike so they can follow your specially crafted ammo to the planet where the mysterious banished jedi master was raising a clone army in secret with the republics tax money in case a federation of independent planets wants to form a mutually beneficial coalition of trade arrangements. What the frick. The jedi were evil the entire time.
Imagine getting BTFO by Alex Jones.
Children level ideas. CHILD level!
>if some moron was able to sound semi reasonable with his reductionist nonsense about the prequels, it means the prequels made sense
Why are you all like this?
>they took the video down, have to watch some chud talk over alex now
grim
>if you invade a country and their leader signs a treaty surrendering to you before anyone can react, then there will be no retaliation
Correct
yes
>”you invaded the planet”
>no we didn’t, we have a signed treaty here where they agree to let us set up a trading post base on their planet
In fact who would have suspected they even invaded?
I liked it when the space rabbit stepped in the poop. I laughed and j clapped
The very fact people continue to argue over the details is proof enough that the prequels have merit. You don't see people arguing like this for the sequels, because there is NOTHING there.
Why didn't Porthole allow Valorum's inquisition? It's not like the Feds were gassing the Nabboians. Just teleport over there, use some space binoculars, and *ding* it's done. Also why didn't the Noobs just pay their taxes?
I'm so fricking confused.
Because her people were literally dying and ANOTHER investigation would mean more dead subjects
You quite literally never see anybody die. They're being rounded up onscreen and taken to "camps" but nothing is elaborated on. There is (or was) no established lore or logic as to how the frick long it takes to travel the galaxy, so for all we know Valorum's crew could have been there, fully armed and with a subpoena in their back pocket, within the hour. But she denied their request and subsequent aid, and refused to pay her taxes. Sounds like a poor leader. What can you expect from a planet of five-hundred people who hold elections and have terms for a monarchy, and allow fourteen year-olds to run.
Honestly, of all the people who get fricking genocided in Star Wars, the Naboots are the least sympathetic.
>You quite literally never see anybody die. They're being rounded up onscreen and taken to "camps" but nothing is elaborated on
>the death toll is catastrophic. you must contact me.
>There is (or was) no established lore or logic as to how the frick long it takes to travel the galaxy, so for all we know Valorum's crew could have been there, fully armed and with a subpoena in their back pocket, within the hour. But she denied their request and subsequent aid, and refused to pay her taxes.
Valorum's crew were Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, and the Senate didn't want to hear what they had to say so even if Valorum knew the invasion was real, he couldn't do anything about it
>>the death toll is catastrophic. you must contact me.
How did they know this? Did they read the script?
>Valorum's crew were Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, and the Senate didn't want to hear what they had to say so even if Valorum knew the invasion was real
The title crawl explicitly mentions that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were hired off the record by Valorum personally, for some... reason? So when he asks Queen Armadillo at the Senate hearing, it's a formality just to get approval on record from the Senate, in a public environment.
Instead she chose violence. Literally.
You're actually moronic.
What am I meant to be watching?
Someone on Naboo literally telling Padme that her people are dying in droves
I'm not going to berate you because the movie is incredibly forgettable so minor details often get lost in the mess, but just to clarify; that scene and actually the exact moment that specific video cuts off is when Sio Bibble is, under presumed threat, forced (heh) to send a message by the Trade Federation to either lure her back to Naboo or sign the treaty, if not both. This can easily be determined by two major factors: Obi-Wan immediately says as much, and it's been previously established, by Bibble himself no less, that communications on the planet's surface have been cutoff.
>tl;dr
How did they know that? Was Sio Bibble handed a script? Where are the dead bodies in the street? They don't even execute the Gungan's after they capture them. You think they're executing random citizens?
It doesn't mater if the message was a trap or faked. Padme clearly believed what he was saying and based her decisions off that. You could make the argument that she was moronic for doing so but that doesn't change that it happened
Valorum's crew were the Jedi he sent secretly because he was so hamstrung by gummed up bureaucracy that sending them was technically illegal in the first place, or at least was using questionable legal loopholes. A team sent by Valorum's otherwise wouldn't have gotten off Coruscant, let alone to Naboo in an hour. Nor would they have gotten a subpoena.
Why would Sheev want Valorum to even send Jedi in the first place before he got the treaty he himself wanted signed?
He didn't, but he presumably didn't have a good excuse for why not to send them. Which is why he instead hopped onto the video call as Sidious and ordered them to murder the Jedi immediately.
...which is also silly because that just makes it more suspicious that they try to assassinate the jedi ambassadors, that also jeopardizes his plans.
Jedi are extralegal goons and its explicitly pointed out that all the trade federations problems would go away by ganking Qui God and Obi Cuck.
Because Sidious had the TF leak to her that there were work camps and people were dying in them while she was on Tatooine. Which served a dual purpose of leading Maul to Tatooine by tracking the malware/code embedded in the signal when Padme was dumb enough to open the message (an earlier scene has Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan saying "don't open it, ignore it"), and also get her in the right frame of mind to fall for his games when she got to Coruscant.
Why didn't palpatine just go to the jedi temple and spam force scream before even starting the war? he would've beat all the jedi and since he had control of the banks and trade federation he already would've won.
The Naboo fighters are beautiful. I should rewatch these it’s probably been 15 years since I’ve seen these things last.
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Homer is struggling to think of a name when he sees a picture of Sideshow Bob (a recurring character on the show) and Chief Wiggum (the police chief of Springfield) next to each other. He then combines the two names to come up with "Sneed," and thus, "Old MacDonald Had a Farm" became "Old MacDonald Had a Farm, E-I-E-I-Sneed."
The humor in the "Sneed" joke comes from its absurdity and unexpectedness. It's a classic example of the surreal and random humor that "The Simpsons" is known for, where ordinary situations can quickly take a bizarre turn. Additionally, the fact that Homer's thought process led him to combine two unrelated names in such a way is also part of the joke.
Imagine if the Trade Federation got bogged down 50 miles from Naboo for 2 years
>if you invade a country and force their leader to sign a treaty at gunpoint then it's legally okay
>The Treaty of Versailles
>The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Napoleonic_Wars_treaties
I could probably list countless more
>open thread
>one guy who can't physically stop himself from taking obvious bait
Holy shit are prequel fans this easy to fricking bait? I thought fricking tolkien fans were easy to bully but this is another level.
>I was just pretending to be moronic.
Half this thread is low tier easily recognizable bait and you still bit it anyway. I haven't even talked with you I just opened the thread and was met with you arguing with people obviously looking to frick with you
Saying that the prequels are bad isn't "bait".
Why would you bully Tolkien fans? Tolkien threads are just wholesome lore dumps and memes.
Literally how it worked out throughout history
The whole deal with the trade federation and Naboo was just an allusion to a real historical thing, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty
>durr forcing a nation to unconditional surrender is the same thing as the galactic senate (aka space UN) deciding to honor an unconditional surrender obtained in an illegal war
105iqers who can't comprehend the limits of their met
the "treaty" the trade federation obtained could never not be worthless. it's like if two UN member states had a war and one of them invaded the other's capital and took the ruling elite hostage. why would the UN look at that and say, ok cool we'll all accept this new treaty into our law
fricking braindead niglets
This gay doesn't know his history.
name 1 example of the UN honoring a status quo obtained by two member nations engaged in illegal warfare
>i will make it legal
>I will force the UN to accept your illegal war
not even a security council member can do that
The people involved don't realize it, but we the audience know that it's the last days of the republic. After a long period of decline, the central authorities struggle to enforce even basic laws. There are places where republic currency is not accepted by small merchants, meaning they don't have any trade links with what is in theory the only multi stellar power in the universe.
>kidnapper breaks into my house
>he forces me to write "I consent" on a piece of paper with a gun to my face
>cops can't do anything lol
>and the investigators who were sent 2 hours earlier don't help the cops lol
The story of The Phantom Menace.
No, in reality it's more like an armed militia seizing your home and then the cops who show up see their heavy weaponry and shrug their shoulders saying "well we're gonna hang back and bring in the jedi SWAT yknow"
Yes.
You should have paid attention in school as it's happened quite a lot throughout history.
I respect it for trying to be a good and interesting story, but it just isn't if you look at it logically.
Midwits still getting filtered by TPM 25 years later lmfao.
A bit like present day Germany still under occupation.
>Luke, did I ever tell you about Scoop Ball?
>they purposely took child anakin into a warzone
>actually pretending the movie makes sense
Why not just take the Gungan shield technology and put it over the entire Naboo capital? Why not just put all the Gungan bombs onto a single ship and autopilot it straight into a trade Federation ship? Why not just keep the gungans underwater because the droids can't fight them there?
They didn't even know it existed. The naboo weren't even aware of their army.
The Queen literally meets Boss Nass and their plan is to have a late 1800s style battle.
Only after jar jar told her about their army.
How can you be queen of almost an entire planet and not know about an organized military force consisting of a species you share the planet with?
this isn't even remotely unbelievable. are you aware of... history?
That's like saying when we went to a Vietnam, we just didn't know the Vietcong were there in the woods.
no it isnt. its just padme not knowing a nation under her rule had much military power. that's not unheard of.
They live on the same fricking planet, the gungans have advanced and sophisticated shield technology, it's not just javelins and the wheel here, it's complex military structure. And not a single person ever told her about it or knew?
they have shields. they also have javelins. that doesn't mean they have a complex military structure. they have shields thats like their one good thing. clearly their concern was being defensive and hidden
They have generals and captains and a command structure, anon.
lmao, if they have generals and structures then they can't hide!
what the frick are you even saying now? you don't have to have an advanced complex society to have a captain. they live in bubble buildings. they are not advanced.
Why did the pedos on naboo "elect" clueless dicky. Why was the chief of the dicky harem a bbc? Why was the weak galactic senate ready to do wildly illegal shit to defend a backwater pedophile human supremacist government? Isnt that sheevs human imperial policy?
They were separate societies who didn't like to acknowledge each other's importance. The naboo in general also looked down on the gungans as primitives.
And nobody brought a camera down there or traded with a Gungan in what thousands of years?
the gunkalunkas live in a secret place and are primitive. they probably have regular land homes that are like huts and shit. nobody suspects they have some atlantis. look at jar jar, and then is your first thought hmmm i wonder if these people have a secret military
There was trade between the societies that neither really liked to acknowledge. Neither group was inviting the other in to their cities.
The naboo considered them primitive swamp cucks.
The gungans were underwater, then they used them to draw out the droid army to make a resistance inside the city easier.
I know...that's what happens in the movie. I'm saying it's also stupid.
You're saying staying underwater would be the smart idea?
...is it not?
How are they supposed to contest the control of the city if they stay put?
By turning it into a guerrilla war they could actually win instead of being morons?
What would they do, attack convoys of droids that would be easily replaced? Eventually the trade federation would bring something down capable of assaulting the gungan city.
Seems like a better distraction then putting your entire army in a single field.
So if I were to shoot rubber bands at your foot from across the room it would be a better distraction than approaching you with an axe?
Why do these federation ships not have orbital bombardment capabilities?
i don't think anything in star wars has that.
>t. star destroyers
do star destroyers bomb from orbit?
Black person what? Is that not what a Star Destroyer is for? Why did blue elon musk use his flagship as an orbital bombardment ship if that doesnt exist in star wars. What the frick was the ending of Rogue One then.
i don't remember that, i thought they were like big naval battleships. i don't remember them launching shit down to planets
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
Is it odd that the senate platforms have the same pattern as Jar Jar's skin on them?
Padme should have signed the treaty.
All the problems that came from the convoluted plans of some Sith lord would have been thwarted because some space Chinese got a symbolic victory.
Not clear what the processing at camp four would have entailed, but probably not great for her personally. Also, everyone would have still understood the treaty was bullshit and Palatine still would have got the sympathy vote for chancellor.
I found it funny how the blockade ended up being just a single donut ship. They literally just flew back to the planet without any issue after accomplishing nothing at Coruscant.
What if Palpatine never won the chancellorship? What if his ploy for sympathy didn't work, and he loses? What if the jedi came to the defense of Valorum and say he was trying to do something, and not just let the Federation do whatever they want?
Luck just seems to play too much into the plot for galactic domination.
this is a moronic point. that applies to all villians. 'what if the plan didn't work!"
ok sure. literally everything might not work. something having risk is not a plot hole
The plot hole is that the "risk" is so hilariously unruly that Sheev otherwise basically stumbles into succeeding in his plan by the mere fact everyone else is being moronic or lucky.
no not really. its pretty laid out, his only risk is that people might not want him to be chancellor but he fixes that by manipulating who he needs to in the senate. its really not that risky, even if there is some
>it's pretty laid out
anon, his entire plot depends on Anakin being the perfect level of moronic to learn that Sheev tried to kill his wife, but not be mad enough at HIM to immediately stab him to death when he finds out.
If the Jedi Palpatine had no idea was heading to the planet never showed up, Padme would have been captured and signed the treaty.
What if in 1914 Franz Ferdinand drove down a different street?
These plotholes are so stupid man!
For us it's like arguing that Franz Ferdinand orchestrated driving down the street where he knew he'd be assassinated so that a world war could happen. It's like talking to idiots, you are idiots.
You were just arguing the movie makes no sense because it requires luck, when the entirety of human history involves luck.
Besides, the movie doesn't exist if it doesn't go to plan.
Your point is stupid.
Prequelgays are just fricking morons who have to make these boundless leaps to defend bad writing
the bad writing is not in the form of plotholes though. nothing this anon (maybe you idk) has said has shown how this doesn't make sense. everything seems to have to be explained multiple times to them. the plot of the movie makes sense, thats never been the issue.
>the plot of the movie makes sense, thats never been the issue.
Absolute bait.
this entire thread is basically one or two anons saying there's plot holes and then people pointing out that everything is explained in the movie. just reading this clears up any questions of plot.
Every thread, for well over idk how many decades at this point, we explain the plot holes and everytime it's like you have severe brain rot or something.
The entire trade dispute is literally, LITERALLY not explained in the fricking movie.
its not a plot hole to not tell you the specifics of the law disputes. either way though, the dispute is about taxes. pretty sure the opening crawl talks about it
You have brain damage, it always just resorts to that.
See
If that's not a plot hole then you are disingenuous
how do you know that would have resolved the dispute? where is that said?
If they never attempted to assassinate the jedi why would there have even been a plot to begin with?
dont try to answer a question with a question, you've been doing that weasley shit all thread. answer mine
Killing the Jedi just opens up the Republic to investigation, any midwit would just be like "let them go on their way, that's mess suspicious and makes it easier for us to get the treaty signed" but of course, since this is aspie world, you think that doesn't track. If everyone on screen is a knuckle dragging moron, and I point it out, you look stupid defending it as coherent.
opening the republic up to investigation is fine for palpatine. it doesn't go against his plan which is to sow distrust. Jedi do represent a threat to him, so killing them also makes sense. the asain aliens are scared of him and do what they're told, so they followed his orders. this also makes sense, because we know they are scared of him.
Nobody can get through to you morons, if he doesn't try to assassinate the two Jedi, then nobody believed padme if she ever managed to get off of Naboo and plead her case, the planet remains in the hands of the Trade Fed and Sideous doesn't risk exposure.
I am literally making this plot more rational for you
Sideous doesn't want the planet to remain in the federation hands. he wants a war. He doesn't give a shit about who has naboo.
so no, your way is way more stupid
Yeah let's talk about that war he wants, it doesn't make any sense either. You'd think the Naboo crisis making him Chancellor is enough power to figure out how to rid himself of the Jedi already.
For Sidious, its not about getting rid of the Jedi. Its about outright ruling the known galaxy. If the Jedi would help him achieve that end, he would've turned them to the Dark Side (as he did with some, the Inquisitors). That's part of how he broke with Sith tradition and used the Dark Side for his sole personal gratification
That's just flat out wrong now.
he needs conflict to continue to keep his power. so that makes sense as well. his goal is to rule
Why does he? What's to stop him from, on day one, using his power as Chancellor to idk, outlaw Jedi or something? Call up the Neimodians, give their ship a secret clearance code, nuke the temple from orbit, blame it on the Trade Fed.
his goal is to amass power, not kill jedi. he needs conflict to remain in his position while he builds power by restructuring government. which is what he does.
His goal is canonically the extermination of the Jedi order.
no, thats something he does to ensure his power. his goal is to rule the galaxy.
>no I said so
ok moron.
You cant have the whole gay force balance thing without the sith rule of cool trying to 2(but not really since the siths force lackeys arent official sith) vs the jedi temple.
if he succeeds in killing two jedi on a fed ship, thats good for him.
Everything he doesn't want to have happen, happens if he kills the Jedi and is found out.
no. if the fed is found to have killed the jedi it it just makes them the bad guy and he can still continue getting support by turning things around. the jedi dying wouldn't bite him in the ass, and would have saved him a lot of problems
You people are just so fricking dumb. Don't you have a 14 hour long video to watch?
No. I have a fourteen-hour video to create.
why would i need to watch a video. i saw the movie years ago and seem to remember it more clearly than you.
You clearly don't
it doesn't need to be, there's two entities that don't agree on trade. you don't need to know why, and thank god we didn't have to sit through a bunch of history of trade laws so morons like you would be happy. thats not a plot hole, its describing the type of disagreement. it doesn't matter why, it only matters there is one.
>admits it's nonsense and if you just flatten your pancake brain some more you don't have to think about how it's nonsense
ok, thanks.
something thats nonsense would have to not make sense. thats different than not telling you legal specifics of what nations are disputing involving trade and taxes.
It's nonsense you dumb homosexual. Nothing about the logic behind what the Trade Fed do makes any sense even from the perspective of the fricking Trade Federation.
they attempt to kill the Jedi because they fear Sidious and Maul more than they do the Jedi. They know there is no way out of this mess for them outside of listening to Sidious if they want to keep their company alive.
But it literally helps Sideous more to just not kill them.
sidious would have been better off with those two dead.
yes it does, but its already been pointed out. scroll up if you didn't read it or forgot the answer.
>it does because...WELL BECAUSE I SAID SO
you get laughed at in every thread.
Hes right though
>boundless leaps
It's an established fact that Franz Ferdinand drove down a wrong street that lead to his coincidental assassination.
If this was a movie you would be calling the writers hacks.
Was there a 15th dimensional water polo keikeku mastermind with precognition about two world wars into the future, who made Ferdinand go down the wrong street?
Yes
palpatine is a wizard, anon. wizards aren't real, no. is that really the question you're asking? that star wars in unrealistic because it has wizards? ok i guess so, but no one was under the impression that the movies were saying wizards are real
>why does anything happen for any reason at all then
its more like someone tricking the kid to shoot franz. nothing hasn't managed to be explained to you, you're just deliberately refusing to acknowledge things that are flatly and easy laid out
If the Federation just said no, and not agree to any deals proposed by them, the jedi would have just left like the diplomats that they were.
There really was no reason to try to kill them.
The Federation are mind readers?
Damn, if only YOU had been writing the script.
Why was the Senate angry at Valorum anyways? He was using the limited amount tools given to him by the Senate itself. How does someone without an army try to resolve a conflict with a organization that has one?
Who knows, it's not a self contained story 🙂
Politicians love to shit on others when a problem occurs and not offer solutions. The Sith orchestrated the Republic into an impotent, self-imploding entity.
I do not know much about film composition, so I cannot speak to it.
you are moronic if you truly believe that
>homosexual zoomers think the sequels are anything but tame, forgettable nothing films
Kiddos I don't even remember Rise of Skywalker lol but I often have Dexter Jexxter rent free in my head.
The sequels were nothing but communist propaganda.
Agreed. As odd as Legends can be, I'll take it until George buys back the franchise.
Cry moar reddit Black person
>Mom I said the word Black person!
I'm not a mutt and don't nerd to kiss Black person feet like you.
kek you tell em
>Jedi dead and disappeared-- they never would've "made it to Naboo"
>Padme signs the treaty otherwise her people would be harmed
>It would've happened anyway. Sidious had the Republic in his hand, he just hadnt started the squeeze
Checked. That being said, Anti Authoritarianism (Rebels) and Virtuous Conduct (Jedi) are the antithesis of communism.
George modeled the conflict on the US vs vietnam man, he's more of a communist than corporate overlords who wrote the sequels lmao
Older than (You) LARPer. And no, the sequels were insultingly stupid at points.
>it's larping to say the prequels are bad
anon...this is embarrassing
So Palpatine would have liked the Jedi dead, and Padme captured and forced to sign the treaty immediately after the invasion?
Didn't he need her and the jedi to give testimony to start the process of replacing the Chancellor?
>please don’t kill me, I will turn to the Dark Side and do whatever you want
Would Palpatine have allowed her to live?
Those that ask for mercy are not worthy of receiving it. That is from the first Darth Bane novel. That is a fundamental belief of the Sith. When he fights Maul on Mandalore, Maul begs for mercy. Palp states: "There is no mercy."
If the Trade Federation had ratted Palpatine out and took the knowledge of some Sith Lord to the Jedi immediately, they would have been seen as heroes and gotten a lot of leverage in the Senate.
They also would've had their corporation absolutely destroyed and split into thousands of subunits. The Sith had a deadman's switch in case somebody ever thought about it
we don't know how the federation operates, but i don't think they have senate representation. i did look it up during this autism thread a little bit but they are operating on naboo to avoid taxes so they seem to be at odds with government in some sense