>If you save your Dad, everyone in your universe will die
>NO IT'LL BE FINE I ASSUME
So Miles is the villain I assume?
>If you save your Dad, everyone in your universe will die. >NO IT'LL BE FINE I ASSUME
>If you save your Dad, everyone in your universe will die
>NO IT'LL BE FINE I ASSUME
So Miles is the villain I assume?
Seriously, how the hell is Miles is going to solve the whole messing with the Spider-Verse shit. The only thing I could think of is that, he gives up his Spider-powers.
Itll be some deus ex machina
The Spot is going to have a hero turn and save Miles' universe.
>villain can control multiverse portals
>doesn't seem completely evil just powermad
>spider-man stories are big on last minute hero redemption
>Ends with Miles and Spot retreating from reality together as gay lovers
Shockingly based, none of you homosexuals could handle it
>miles saves his dad
>dooms his universe
>gets transported to a new universe where miles morales doesn't exist
miles saving his dad wont doom the universe.
If kilometer sin does it then universe is doomed.
he will become the Spidergod and save every universe from the Spot
I'm surprised they never referenced the spider totem in this movie
Closest we got to any of that stuff was cameos by Last Stand Spidey and the therapist was supposedly the JMS guy who tried to sacrfice Peter.
He will solve it without suffering any consequences. Writers b***h out like that.
It was implied by Gwen's reaction to her dad quiting that Miles should just avoid his dad becoming a captain in the first place
So then a different cop who gets promoted will die in his dad's place. They don't really address the core problem, they only divert it.
>So then a different cop who gets promoted will die in his dad's place.
Not someone he knows, therefore no canon event.
The canon event says that it NEEDS to be someone Spiderman knows.
Thing is, how would Miles get him to quit? His dad doesn't seem like the type to give up his position. My best guess is that bit with Gwen was a fakeout. I don't think his dad would give up even if he found out Miles was Spider-Man and, if anything, would want to be captain more to help his son since the two seem to be on good terms unlike when Gwen initially revealed herself to her dad.
Miles can explain to his dad by telling him everything revealing his powers and showing him the portal stuff
Someone pointed out in another thread that there might be foreshadowing moment at the beginning of Across when Miles is delivering the two cakes to his parents (as his rebuttal to the guidance conselor saying he can't have both), both end up getting messed up and he later promises to his mom that he'll return with just one.
What I think will happen is that Miles will fail (or succeed), either his dad dies anyway, his mom dies instead like in the comics, or the 1610 universe gets destroyed and Miles will travel beyond the Spider-Verse to try and undo it.
Which side was the cake that saying "I'm not" was on during their conversation? Is it on the his mom's side or Dad's side?
I don't think that's really foreshadowing as much as it's just one of the themes of the film, repetition and sacrifice
>In Miles' section of the movie, the guidance counsellor says Miles "can't have his cake and eat it too", to which miles responds "unless you bake 2 cakes." But what seems like a throw away piece of dialogue actually lays the groundwork for Miles' major struggle in atsv- being Miles vs Being Spider-man.
>The first place we see this conflict manifest is at Jeff's appointment party. Even though he goes above and beyond by picking up 2 cakes, they both end up being destroyed as he fulfills his duties as spider-man.
>Here, the cakes Miles pick up symbolise his relationship with his parents. As Spider-man, Miles has to take on his "great responsibility", but this causes a rift to form between him and his loved ones . When he tries to have and eat both cakes, they become inedible.
>Before this, conflicting repetition is seen in Miles' fight against the spot. In the spot's mention of his "pin number" and Miles' "atm machine" joke, we keep seeing how in everday life, things conflict but that doesn't stop them from making sense. This continues with Pavitr, Chai Tea, and Sacrifice.
>The next place we see repetition is in Mumbattan. again it's easy to assume the chai tea and naan bread jokes are just that. But they also refer to Pav's situation specifically.
>You can't have "chai tea" or "naan bread" becuase it's redundant, so they conflict. Being spiderman with an easy life is also supposed to conflict and Pav is supposed to have to sacrifice someone to be spider-man. However, by saving Inspector Singh, Miles disrupts this.
>He makes it so that Pav's journey as spider-man does not require loss, allowing him to have his cake and eat it too. But by doing this, Miles unintentionally causes Pav's universe to fall apart.
(continued)
>This running theme comes to a head when Miguel reveals that 1610 Peter Parker dies as a result of Miles being bit by Earth 42's spider. Miguel believes that it is impossible to deviate from the spiderman formula and still be spiderman, and this event confirms his own biases, since he could not have his cake and eat it too, he believes that this must be true for all. That rather than being a simple deviation, Miles himself must be an anomaly, because that's the only way to explain why he wasn't punished for being one.
>But like with atm machines and pin numbers, we know that redundant phrases can exist and the world will still turn. we know that Miles is spiderman even if he's the second one, and that he can be spider-man whilst still being Miles.
>And we know that to be spider-man and to be Miles might seem contradictory, but at it's heart it means the same thing. to protect other's like how other's protected him.
Why do they act like Miles didn't have an Uncle Ben moment? That was the whole fricking point of his uncle dying in his arms.
OG Spider-man had dead uncle Ben moment and later dead police captain.
One "great power equal great responsibility", two "I will never let anyone die again".
Second one contradict with Miguel point of view because to save everyone in multiverse he lets infinity number of individuals die in the process.
The movie is moronic for what it is now.
Thematically that would be great, unfortunately I doubt they're going to do it.
>im proud not
Huh?
I keep thinking it will be a universe merge.
>he gives up his Spider-powers.
This reminded me that there is still a Peter Parker alive in dimention-42 who never got to be spiderman. He should be a scientist.
The non-powered Peter would help Miles if the writers loved or even like Spider-Man, but since they hate him he'll probably be dead
He's going to using the power of talking to the spot to save his dad and his world since the spot has multiverse powers now.
>talk-no-jutsu again
please... i can't take it any more... umi da...
In fact, he'll convince the Spot to retroactively save all the uncles and police captains and gwen stacies in all universes.
i would rather my slimy wormy tentacle porn mutantsona show up and start fricking all his holes
The solution will be to cut off all the connecting strands in the gay spider-verse web. That way somehow the universes are no longer bound by shared canon events, but Miles can never visit his friends like Gwen or Peter B again.
The solution will be that everyone was wrong but him and they all finally become actual heroes. Then despite it taking a giant shit on the legacy of Spider-Man people will claim it’s a loving tribute.
There's nothing to solve. The spider society's algorithm is going off of Miles' spider DNA, which comes from a separate universe where Miles' dad is already dead.
He's gonna solve it by letting Gwen frick his butthole with her BWC!!
>Seriously, how the hell is Miles is going to solve the whole messing with the Spider-Verse shit
gosh if only there was some sort of guy who has superpowers that let him mess with the multiverse
It's going to end up not even being a real problem and Spider-Man 2099 is just gigacoping
This shit doesn't make sense. Miles isn't Peter and Peter already existed in his universe to have these things happen. He is meant to be his own character so why should he be bound to the canon events that Peters character has?
because the movie forces you to like Miles
No it doesn't. Plenty of racist hate him
There's actually not a single racist miles hater. It's all based on his character and the way they shoehorn him into stuff without building his character. A genuine racist couldn't be bothered to give a shit about a Spider-Man movie
Something something the Great Weaver requires a sacrifice or two to finish blessing a new Spider-Person, Miles is going to stop Spot by bringing him to his family and he realizes that he made a mistake and the only way to stop the universe from collapsing is to reabsorb all his Spots which will kill him, Miles is against it but they're out of time and to save everyone Spot dies, thereby taking the place Miles dad would have had. It's super predictable.
Nah... It'll probably be Miles mom dies or Gwen dies at this point
It's too predictable for that to happen, especially since the movie is confirmed to be partly a critique on the modern state of Spider-Man, it makes more sense for Spot to redeem himself to save everyone, Miles begging for him not to because he doesn't want to be subject to slavery by fate and wants to save everyone, only for it to happen in a way where he gets the happy ending on paper he technically wanted but not one that isn't bittersweet and would get him off the hook from Miguel.
That's even more predictable
The whole film is clearly building towards a "Spider-man CAN have his cake and eat it too., He doesn't need sacrifice"
Which I hate but thats the obvious conclusion.
Good. I hate Movie Miguel gays that act like they would totally pull the trigger on their dad to save billions just because a beaner told them to.
>they would totally pull the trigger on their dad to save billions just because a beaner told them to.
I'd do it for free
Clearly Miles is the only Spider-man who can eat cake and have 42 cakes.
AMABATUKAM
Neither is Miguel but he's the most obsessed with it
>every spiderman is bad except miles
nice spiderman movie snoy
pls anyanon I'm in Japan the movie doesn't come out for another week, where can I see it beforehand??
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Quality is shit, but it does its job.
Makes a lot of sense that Gwen could sacrifice her self if you think about it.
Literally nothing wrong with saving your loved ones at the expense of everyone else.
Nah, the movie will somehow prove him right which makes all the other Spider-men look like a bunch of pieces of shit for enabling the deaths of innocent people.
Also it could just be this, a straight up cop out that makes every single other Spider-Man across the literal entire multiverse look like a moronic piece of shit for being complacent in their loved one's deaths.
I hope they make Miles lose his dad. Kids really gotta learn you just cant have it all and that accepting the inevitable is important.
Also that he gets beat up for risking everyone's lives over it.
Peter here acepted he could not save May here at the exchange of manifacturing the cure for the other victims of demon's breath in Spider Man PS4.
Miles would have shoved the cure onto may and doomed the rest.
Agreed. I think it's just going to be a thing where Miles will have to accept his dad's going to die, but will have a touching moment with his dad before his death, knowing fully well he's going to die and he won't be able to save him.
You know how I know this will happen? They made Spot not white despite the bagel guy being white in the first film.
with great power come great responsibility. Do we get to see him avoid responsibility in the movie? I havent seen it yet
The movie specifically asserts that free will does not exist.
miguel is wrong. saving captain singh didn't do shit to mumbattan, the spot frickign did. the spider left earth-42 and it's still there, how is spider-man getting his superpowers not a canon event? not to everything that has ever happened since miles got his powers. his story doesn't add up.
>Noooo you have to accept your fate
>The universe will break unless you agree to our contrived narrative nooo
>Miles everyone is going to die if you dont let us kill your dad you gotttttaaaaa
>I know this only went wrong cause someone following fate disrupted it and that's impossible if this stuff really is unchanging but you just, you j-just gotta trust us!!!
Based Fricking Miles striving against the whims of fate to claim how own destiny. Genuine Chad behavior.
This. It's basically Gurren Lagann
His destiny involves getting a prolapse.
>Genuine Chad behavior
Last time I checked, Chad doesn't get fricked in the ass by trannies
You're assuming he's not the one blasting Gwen's spussy on the reg
homie pls, Gwen is not only physically stronger than Miles she's also older and more masculine somehow, she rapes Miles asspussy on the regular
90% of trannies want it up the ass and not with their dick. It's why they tend to hate chasers so much, most of them are very uncomfortable about having a wiener. He's pounding that snowbunny ass
gwen's a dude, let's call her(him) a snowhare
The issue is that this is what every Spider-Man would've done, but they do the opposite so Miles could be the only one that does it
As opposed to if Peter was the main character? In almost all spider-verse stories Peter is the one special Spider-Man. Miles as a character has a lot of problems but it's not at all crazy that in his spider-verse story he gets to be the special Spider-Man. In the Animated Series Peter is the first Spider-Man to decide not to give into predeterminism and decide his own fate. Eventually the other Spider-Man and Madame web agree with him. That's literally no different from this movie Miles is clearly going to bring the other Spider-Man over to his side in part 3.
>but it's not at all crazy that in his spider-verse story he gets to be the special Spider-Man.
It is, as a low rate copycat he should never be the special Spider-Man, ever, but people would have problems with e.g. Peter B shitting on fan favorites like Spectacular, Insomniac, TAS etc as well, I would too. All you have to do is make a good faith Spider-Man movie, it's that simple.
>It is, as a low rate copycat he should never be the special Spider-Man
So your problem is literally that it's not Peter?
>but people would have problems with e.g. Peter B shitting on fan favorites like Spectacular, Insomniac, TAS etc
How is spider verse shitting on any of these versions of Spider-Man?
>All you have to do is make a good faith Spider-Man movie, it's that simple.
Is it bad faith because Peter isn't the main character? Because that's literally your only complaint.
Nice bad faith strawman anon, but I'm not biting
>Has no argument cries about bait.
literally says any copy of Spider-Man shouldn't be special. Logically Peter is the first Spider-Man so all of the other Spider-Man are copies of him. So once again logically only Peter it is allowed to be special.
Says spider verse is shtting on other versions of Spider-Man I asked how he has no answers.
>more bad faith strawmen
Anon you already revealed your hand, no need to reaffirm it
How is this bad faith again? I dont think you see any other main focus spider men from other series outside the joke 67 one. The spider gallery is largely full of mooks and no traditional spider men are involved with the spider society.
Wasn't this kind of disrespectful to fans of Tobey and Andrew Spider-Men?
That's if Miguel is wrong which seems very unlikely. Even if Miles succeeds in saving his dad, someone else will take his place. The moment itself is inevitable regardless of who's involved.
That doesn't stop it from being a moronic premise for a Spider-Man multiverse movie
Why did they give this guy the appearance of an imam in a terrorist cell for one photo while he looks like a typical white nerd during the bagel scene/black and white flashbacks?
You know why
He looks more like John Lennon, but I guess we see what we want to see
Sure buddy
Obviously I was talking about the picture you posted you fricking moron
I'm saying in that Rasputin picture he suddenly has darker skin that what we've seen of him previously you fricking walnut.
>darker skin
Barely. He still looks more like John Lennon than an imam.
Wait, that was supposed to be a picture of Spot? I just assumed that was some other guy.
Spot is Jonathan Ohnn
Okay then I agree with the other guy, why does he look so different?
actually in the flashbacks, he looks like a black nerd.
This production wouldn't dare have this guy voice a black character
Holy shit they foresaw Morbius
There is a loophole to this. Someone else must die in his dad's place
Unbiased anons, is this movie actually GOATed?
It's the highest rated film of all time on letterboxd ffs
Worst Spider-Man movie yet
Watch it for yourself and see. Don't be a sheep.
If you're that unsure you can just pirate the movie.
visually spectacular, narratively muddled at best.
its a lot like Last Jedi.
>its a lot like Last Jedi.
that's fricking very bad insult anon, the movie has flaws but it's not as bad as Last Jedi
You're right it's worse, TLJ shat on Luke for the most part, Spider-Verse shat on hundreds and hundreds of characters
It's a genuine spectacle, but the plot is poorly structured to say the least.
same quality as avatar 2 - it's a spectacle that sets up a sequel and is thus narratively weak with plot holes.
unlike avatar 2 the animators managed to sneak in queer coding via colors/lighting and have doomed the film to culture wars.
>Gay Lighting!
Imagine being this broken.
>lighting is used to express emotions.ok
>lighting is used to show how a character flips from being good to being evil.ok
>lighting is used to show a character's sexuality. not ok/didn't happen/it's dumb
it's just how film works dumbass, ppl use every aspect of the experience to layer in imagery/story.
..........
Colours and lighting are consistently used as a film device to depict a whole bunch of shit.... this is standard film technique. Holy frick get the frick off this website man jesus christ. Tired of you people.
This whole "b-but muh canon" shit gets worse the more you think about it.
>b-but if Uncle Ben didn't die none of us would be Spider-Man
1. That's not true, Peter/whoever was bitten BEFORE, so they had the powers already, but to actually be the hero of NY was something Peter chose to be.
2. The answer to that is "good. No Spider-Man should like being Spider-Man, or least enough ot them to count. Being Spider-Man means putting the needs of others above your own, to not take the easy way even if it means killing yourself in the procress, those with "great power" have a duty to protect those without it.
To say that ANYONE needs to die, spits in the face of all that.And to let that happen even more so.
wasn't there a comic book that had that concept but instead of it being "canon" it's just part of being accepted by a spider totem?
like taking on the avatar of the spider inherently demands sacrifice or something i don't remember what storyline it was part of
It's almost like the conflict is supposed to be morally grey and there's no true right or wrong side!
Though everyone can agree that The Spot needs to be taken down.
No, there's very clearly a right side in all this and it's not "I gotta let the loved ones of my friends die"
Either they track the tragedies back to some kind of alpha timeline (Ditkoverse) and 'fix' it so Spider-Man iterations don't have to be motivated by tragedy ie save alpha Ben, Gwen, and Captain Stacy or give Miles picrel's powers
how did spider punk deliver the dimensional travel clock to gwen when he throw it out before walking in it and disappearing
He never did any such thing, I waited for it and expected it.
I totally thought he'd bounce it off of Miguel.
i remeber seen him dropping something in the scene where he bail
i do too but i think they forgor to remove that scene from the animation. it def looks like he drops his dimensional watch and peaces out.
would make more sense for his character to do that and not get involved in pointless conflict than deliberately insert himself into pointless conflict but not be there physically.
I thought it was obvious he made the new watch out of the parts he was ripping out of the wall in the Spider-Society.
The new watch even says "Project Bootleg"
>I thought it was obvious he made the new watch out of the parts he was ripping out of the wall in the Spider-Society.
why would spider society have inter dimensional parts in it's wall?
can you make an apple watch out of pieces of apple HQ?
>why would spider society have inter dimensional parts in it's wall?
It's the same building that has the Go Home Machine
if he made a exposive or a smoke bomb i would agree on the logic
but here we are talking about a dimensional macguffin and hes the wrong character to make one since is a "advanced" tecnology
The new watch AND the portal it makes literally have Hobie's punk style instead of the normal portal look, he made the watch
>wrong character
Hobie is a Spider-Man and therefore a science genius and he's been around the advanced technology enough to get a handle on how it works.
I assume that woman don't talk to you much
Considering the whole Miguel and canon events thing is a meta bit about angry incels not accepting a black Spider-man I just don't see how the next movie won't prove Miles right in the end. Though it would make more sense and be a better moral to learn that you can't save everyone or have everything and needing to accept loss and failure, but the way they've established the situation I feel like they will have to compromise one of those ideas in order for the other to work. Hopefully they ditch the "Miguel is a Cinemaphile stand in" part.
hello pleppit
how so, what do you mean
Angry vampire latinx spiderman hates Black latinx spiderman.
says alot about this board that you tards obsess over a trolley problem this much
the whole thing about canon was cringe
Y'all really only think this way because Miles is black. There are literally dozens of stories about Peter trying to save someone he cares about even though it might endanger others. There are also tons of stories about Peter having to accept the fact that he can't save everyone. There's a time and place to tell both of these stories but no matter which version spider verse 3 ends up being you guys were hated because Miles is black
see
>Gwen has been a part of Oscar Isaac's team for 1-2 months
>Miguel spends 8 minutes on-screen in the movie explaining that the SpiderGod ordains that police captains must die
>when Gwen's dad says he quit his job she's just all smiles and doesn't even consider for a second "wait does this mean whoever takes the position will die instead?"
I think she's just happy it won't be her dad
Miles has no right being so cute in that costume
She's a complete psycho b***h in the movie
>kills Peter but doesn't want to be held accountable
>leaves her dad in an energy jail
>gets told he'll die and doesn't try to save him
>gets told Miles' dad will die and doesn't tell him
>goes to visit Miles before dealing with Spot
>gets told Spider-Man and Gwen falling in love and then Gwen dying is a canon event, goes to Miles anyway
>tries to stop Miles from saving people in India
>tries to bring in Miles when Miguel orders it
>doesn't even attempt to visit her dad in the end to try to save him despite being on a mission to save Miles and his dad
>only reconciles with her dad when he admits he was in the wrong 100% and quits his job for her
Well, he's the Prowler, go figure.
Will Prowler-Miles go to Spider-Miles's home dimension, where he will use edgy antihero science to resurrect perfect aryan catholic spiderman, while Spider-Miles stays in Prowler-Miles's dimension to save it from the crime gangs there?
Ah, now I get the constant
>troony troony troony
posting. It's because of a do-gooder heroine and her dad being willing to protect trans-people, as is normally assumed in such media, and now that's the only thing to latch on.
The shitposting about that feels extremely forced, however.
It's a twitter meme people drew sides over. It's probably going into public acceptance based entirely off of people who hate the movie for other reasons wanting to use it as a criticism.
Leave it to Cinemaphilentrarians to always justify the buttholes that sacrifice innocent lives
How long was Miguel with his fake family? A day? Indiaman's universe started disintegrating instantly
I don't care what anyone says frick you I'm saving my dad
FRICK YOU MIGUEL
IM SAVING MY DAD AND KEEPING THE GWEN BUSSY
>Hobie spends every second on-screen openly disagreeing with everything Spider-society does
Is there literally any logical reason why he was a member of it in the first place other than "the plot needed it to happen"?
He probably joined to subvert it, which he does in the movie.
But he is right, if you noticed at the end gwen dad quit being captain.
Native spiders can make interact with canon events, the universe hates it when a guest does it I.E migeul taking over his doppelganger life and miles saving georogiani Stacisubanaji instead of punjabispoodermanchi man
They were both outsiders. If miles save him it will be fine.
Now if every spider person knew these canon events and create new strings....what would happen?
If enough webs are plucked does it make a sound? and who or what hears it???