I'm convinced that Al Pacino actually died sometime around the late 70s, and was subsequently replaced with a studio doppelganger. It's the only way I can reconcile the complete 180 he took as an actor by the 80s, in terms of cadence, mannerisms, and general screen presence.
That, or he got really into coke and stopped giving a frick because he was making bank.
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Al doesn’t even know who he’s alive anymore.
Scarface happened. All the screaming, snorting and scenery chewing changed him.
>he got really into coke and stopped giving a frick because he was making bank
>Scarface happened. All the screaming, snorting and scenery chewing changed him
tbf he chewed scenery in the 70's too
it's basically that michael corleone was an extremely atypical role for him
>it's basically that michael corleone was an extremely atypical role for him
>hasn't seen Serpico, And Justice For All
This is what I was going to say. When Scarface became his signature role and not Michael Corleone he was more Scarfaceish thereafter. More bombastic, emotional.
Actors have very little impact on anything. They are tools of the director.
>That, or he got really into coke and stopped giving a frick because he was making bank.
Yeah, I was reading your post and was gonna say this but it looks like you get it. There's no doppelganger anon, occam's razor. Dude is too small potatoes for a doppelganger.
Small potatoes? He starred in the Godfather.
Same thing happened with De Niro.
Not the same, de niro's descent into madness was caused by his addiction to niggresses. He has to work awful movies to pay their alimony and the extent of the situation desensitized him.
Al pacino case is a totally different issue, after his major hits around the 80's glowBlack folk abducted him to learn how he lied so proficiently. About that year he got replaced by a doppelganger commonly known by the name dunk acino, that's the reason of the decline on his acting and why he grows smaller as time passes
have you ever changed attitude over the course of 10 years?
depends on the goose
Cruising came out in 1980. But yeah, Pacino was already pretty stiff in it.
If it happened it would have been just before Sea of Love in 1989 with John Goodman. That's when nuPacino was introduced with all the defining characteristics. There is a four year gap after Scarface and then the terrible film "Revolution" where Al Pacino is clearly replaced by a doppelganger. Everything prior to Revolution in 1985 is actual Pacino with the youthful face and mild speech impediment, actual acting ability, etc.
>mid-80's
that's when they brought in the stephen hawking doppelganger too
what the frick was going on
the doppelganger rumors are mostly wrong. the only true ones are about mccarthy, rudolf hess and miley cyrus
The opposite. That's when he sent sober.
twink wall changes a man
>twink wall
damn man that deep
it's weird because I could swear I heard this term first in a discussion about Pacino but when I checked the archives it's all about Chamalat or what's his name and some other modern actors
Pacino’s subtle acting didn’t win him an Oscar in the 70s so he decided to become louder and more over the top in movies
What 180 he's always acted like a screaming moron
>I WALKED AL PACINO UP ON STAGE
>WHO THE FRICK ARE YOU
Kek
It's a typical arc for great actors. The effort burns them out at some point and they eventually stop trying. It happened to Brando, De Niro, Cage, and you even saw hints of it in Day-Lewis' last couple performances. But, unlike the others, he had the good sense to retire when he saw it happening.
Happened to Tom Hardy (don't consider him a great actor, but) recently too. He went full moron with that Al Capone flick
It's really a shame. I think acting is unique among the arts in that it requires an unstainable level of emotional investment, so you inevitably get diminishing returns after 2-3 decades of great work.
This. The whole acting thing burned them out and get them bored. And also drugs,lots of drugs
>The effort burns them out
wrong. They eventually realise how moronic it is that they were rewarded with fame and fortune for literally playing pretend and how egotistical and pointless it all was. Day-Lewis became a recluse and hates the world. Brando turned to food because his dick stopped working. De Niro is too low IQ to have any self awareness. Cage lost his ego when the tax man forced him to take literally every shitty acting job he was offered and in doing so found inner peace and a cute asian gf.
>It's a typical arc for great actors. The effort burns them out at some point and they eventually stop trying.
>and you even saw hints of it in Day-Lewis' last couple performances.
Ah yes, DDL's notorious reputation for effort-acting.
>I protest!
>MISTERFRIERSERCOMBAKHER
What accent is even being attempted here? It sounds like a mix of English, Welsh and Irish.
Guys. I got news for you. For most creative people, their raw passion starts to dry up in their late 20's, then they become idea/concept guys, but even those stop happening by early 40's. The only people who peak creatively later in life are prose novelists and such, perhaps some others working in the written arts like composers, but even those aren't making massive creative impacts, but drilling down into what was laid-down earlier in life and just having the skills and discipline to implement it. All the passion is gone by late 20's though.
This is some weirdly autistic projection. Plenty of artists/actors/inventors peak later in life you fricking dweeb
Read the post, homosexual. I specified a certain kind of creativity (passion) and made allowances for those who peak later in life. Stop being contrarian.
Leonard Cohen peaked later in life, but he was a poet and writer foremost, I'd add painters to that list.
It's a common perception usually afforded to modern artists e.g. popstars, people have short memories and are limited to what they are told. Also familiarity breeds contempt.
>Leonard Cohen peaked later in life, but he was a poet and writer foremost,
I NEVER SAID NO ONE PEAKS. YOU DON'T NEED TO START NAMING EXAMPLES TO COUNTER A CLAIM I NEVER MADE. I SPECIFICALLY SAID WRITERS AMONG OTHERS PEAK LATER FFS moronS READ
>I'd add painters to that list.
Yes. This is a good observation. Thank you for this.
>The only people who peak creatively later in life are prose novelists and such
homie I mentioned Leonard Cohen who peaked AS A SONGWRITER later in life. Bob Dylan wrote Blood on The Tracks when he was 33, the same age Cohen released his first album.
This entire "artist is shit as he gets older" is a relatively recent phenomena and usually relegated to the songwriters/popstars.
>ob Dylan wrote Blood on The Tracks when he was 33, the same age Cohen released his first album.
I'd put 33 in the 'conceptual' stage for songwriters. A lot of rock musicians do their greatest work in their 30's, but it's not the most raw. That dries up in their 20's but it's not impossible to still be milking it (or faking it) into their 30's.
>This entire "artist is shit as he gets older" is a relatively recent phenomena and usually relegated to the songwriters/popstars.
I never said they turn to shit. Where did I post that? This thread is about an actor and how the nature of his creativity changed over time. I made an observation about how that tends to follow fairly reliable patterns for different kinds of artists. That's all my post was about and then you moronic homosexuals went all
>so what you're saying is
like moronic zoomers and decided I meant everything is shit after 30. That's not the point, friend. Everything just changes. Pacino changed. All artists change.
>so what you're saying is
Day-Lewis has a much stronger filmography than Pacino or De Niro though - probably because he's actually discerning when it comes to choosing roles. De Niro has been phoning it in for the past two decades.
>anon hasn't seen Carlito's Way (1993)
It's literally his magnum opus you fricking cazzie
his magnum opus is Serpico
Weird. Sidney Lumet is unironically my favorite director of all time and yet I didn't actually like Serpico that much. Maybe I should rewatch
Oh hey, he's my favourite director too. Now there's two of us.
He actually quit boozing in the late 70s so it makes sense that he changed
Of course. Simone was made by a one of the doppleganger defective clones.
>[spooky anachronistic Vangelis synth sounds intensify]
>it's either some moron schizo shit
or
>he got really into coke and stopped giving a frick because he was making bank
it's that one
I'll let you in on a secret, "range" is a complete meme.
Actors mostly play themselves, and if they're charming enough they're considered good. Look at Tom Cruise, he ALWAYS plays Tom Cruise, he still literally carries shit F&F tier movies on its own.
Look at all the greats like James Stewart or John Wayne or Humphrey Bogart, same story.
It's just that some directors managed to ask Al Pacino a more subdued performance, that's it.
He was always meant to be a screaming Mediterranean manlet.
Occasionally you get actors like De Niro who can play 2 different roles, funny mob man and total autist, and mix the 2 things together.
>t. Amber Heard
>charming handsome weirdo with a gimmick
It's literally all Johnny Depp, except Fear and Loathing and he's just going DUDE DRUGS LMAO in that one.
You're right. That time Daniel Day Lewis played an Irish Nationalist prisoner was exactly like that time Daniel Day Lewis played an anti-Irish Englishman.
ddl is some kind of a one in a million actor, otherwise the other guy is right.
>Daniel Day Lewis is the only person to portray two characters on opposite sides of a spectrum
Fricking hell, Liam Neeson is going to be fuming when he hears that his portrayal of Irish Nationalist Leader Michael Collins was identical to his portrayal of a drunk Ulster Loyalist singing The Sash around a campfire in a cowboy hat.