I'm gonna try and predict how this would realistically go with the characters that I can make out (a higher res version of this Marvel Universe pic is easily searchable, though it would be nice to have an addendum that lists all the characters pictured in it)
You're free to post ITT and add your own predictions for various characters
>Spider-Man
One-shotted
>Wolverine
One-shotted, regrows, one-shotted again, rinse and repeat, maybe he manages to poke out an eye or something
>Iron Man
Will give them a hard time, make them transform more than once, especially if he has access to all his armors, might win but not guaranteed
>Sue
Suffocates them unless their physiology out-bullshits her force fields
>Johnny
Might make them go SS1 but that's it
>Reed
Gets the frick out of here to build Saiyan Ass Raper 9000
>Thing
Might make them go SS1 but beaten fairly quickly, gets up and says "I AINT DUN YET", gets one-shotted
>Captain America
Two-shotted (one for the shield)
>Gambit
One-shotted
>Greg Land Black Widow
lmao
>Deadpool
See Wolverine but with more annoying quips
>Wasp
Actually has a good chance to kill them by flying inside their trachea and choking them
>Juggernaut
Will give them a hard time, make them transform more than once, but probably won't win
>who's the girl on Juggernaut's shoulder? is it Lady Deathstrike? why is she so tiny?
anyway if it's Lady Deathstrike then see Wolverine but even less effective
>I assume the glowing eyes guy is Hyperion
See Juggernaut
>Leader
Gets the frick out of here to help Reed build Saiyan Ass Raper 9000
>Havok
Might make them go SS1 but that's it
>Venom
Either one-shotted or the symbiote bonds to Vegeta, making things worse for everyone. Alternatively, if he's written by Cates, he achieves his bullshit universal symbiote god forms or whatever and one-shots them
>Black Cat
Makes them hit each other once with bad luck and gets one-shotted
>Domino
Same but maybe makes them hit each other a little more
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Why are DBtards the only Cinemaphile gays to come over here and obsess over capeshit. I see no other manga fans doing this except you homosexuals.
You should have just left the OP to respond to himself and pretend people want to engage him.
Spics are the most insecure species in the world.
Cry harder amerishart Black person, nobody wants to watch your mystery meat promoting goyslop
>spics are insecure because their fav verse gets stomped by random fodder marvel characters
>FRICKK UUU GRINGO PUTA NOBODY WANTS TOO WATCHA DA MESTERY MEEEAATTTTT GOYALOP blah blah blah
Like clockwork
Because Dragon Ball is capeshit. Most popular animangoes are either that or slice of life.
If you've seen their threads, it's nothing but /qa/-tier schizoposting with DB edits rather than soijaks, they have nothing to discuss so it's just pure madness out of boredom, and thus coming to Cinemaphile to stir shit became a thing.
Btw what is with /dbs/'s obsession with calling Vegeta "Bejita"? I'd understand if they tried to stick true to the original but they don't call Bulma "Blooma" even though that's literally what her name was in the original and also what makes the name pun make sense. Does this autism come some specific sub/manga translation?
because it's funny
That's the literal romanization of his name ベジタ (bejita).
It's no deeper than that.
Some obnoxious e-celeb from Belgium is a Kanzenshuu troon and refuses to call him by hid actual name, eventually it spread to the entire thread.
Also, /dbs/ must also be on the teen range given their humor being nigh-identical to /qa/ / party.
They're still feeling the rape that Superman beat Goku candidly and repeatedly on Death Battle, and the one live-action movie they have is Evolution.
Here's higher res
>Iron Fist
One-shotted
>Nightcrawler
Annoys them a bit with teleports but eventually gets cornered and one-shotted
>Punisher
One-shotted
>Carnage
This is supposed to be a 616 picture but it's clearly Ultimate Carnage lmao. Anyway same as Wolverine or Venom
>Rogue
This one's tough, either one-shotted or bullshits her way into draining their powers
>Beast
Gets the frick out of here to help Reed and Leader build Saiyan Ass Raper 9000
>Colossus
Might make them go SS1 but that's it
>Thor
Actually stands a good chance of beating them
>Doom
Actually stands a good chance of beating them
>Elektra
One-shotted
>Daredevil
One-shotted
>Mystique
Might be able to transform into someone they know and convince them to stop fighting but otherwise one-shotted
>Hulk
Actually stands a good chance of beating them
>Cyclops
One-shotted
>Captain Marvel
See Juggernaut
>She-Hulk
See Juggernaut
Now it's time for the background guys I can make out
>Sandman
Actually interesting because he's not exactly strong enough to kill them but they can't kill him either. Might have a good shot at suffocating them.
>Sabretooth
See Wolverine
>Doop
Uuuuh honestly this guy has a ton of bullshit powers so he might actually win via some hax
>Emma Frost
Mind-controls them
>Zemo
One-shotted
>Hawkeye
One-shotted
>Scarlet Witch
Reality-warps their asses to oblivion
>Firestar
One-shotted
>Sasquatch
Might make them go SS1 but that's it
>Luke Cage
One-shotted
>Spider-Woman
One-shotted
>Photon
Might make them go SS1 but that's it
>Namor
Might make them go SS1 but that's it (maybe could drown them but they'd probably get out before he could)
>Moon Knight
One-shotted
>Electro
Surprisingly might actually kill them since electricity ignores conventional durability
>Ghost Rider
Assrapes Vegeta's soul, makes Goku transform more than once, might beat him but not guaranteed
>Mole Man
One-shotted
>Super Skrull
Might make them go SS1 but that's it
>Ultron
Gives them a hard time, makes them transform more than once, might actually just electrocute them
>is that fricking Arana behind Rhino?
One-shotted
>Rhino
Not one-shotted but beaten pretty quickly
>Bullseye
One-shotted
>Kang The Conqueror
Gives them a hard time, makes them transform more than once, might win but not guaranteed
>Silver Samurai
One-shotted
>Man-Thing
Honestly who the frick knows, physically he's SS1 level at best but he could burn them through their fear if they have any
>Sinister
See Wolverine but probably slightly more effective
>Blob
One-shotted
>Black Bolt
Screams and kills half the people in his vicinity, makes them transform but probably doesn't win
>Nova (Frankie Rye)
Might actually stand a good chance with the Power Cosmic but probably doesn't win
>Dr Strange
Has a good chance of winning due to how effective magic is against them
Xavier is probably somewhere in the background but I can't actually make him out
Okay now the big guys in the background
>Sentinel
One-shotted
>Angel
One-shotted
>Iceman
Freezes them to death
>Gladiator
Might make them transform more than once, probably doesn't win
>Stature
One-shotted
>The Living Tribunal
Annihilates them
>Fin Fang Foom
Might make them go SS1 but that's it
>Northstar
One-shotted
>Vision
I wanna say he might kill them by phasing through their skin and destroying their vital organs but at the same time I don't know if he's strong enough to destroy their organs
>Jean Grey
One-shots them either with mental or Phoenix powers
>Ego
Stands a good chance against them but can be destroyed eventually
>Magneto
Has a good bunch of ways to kill them, blood manipulation, suffocating via gravity manipulation, or tossing them into space
>MODOK
Gets the frick out of here to help build the Saiyan Ass Raper
>Sentry
Will definitely give them a hard time and make them transform, might win, might just fly them into space
>Eternity
Blinks them out of existence
>Stilt-Man
Clearly he one-shots them
>Beta Ray Bill
See Sentry though probably a bit weaker
>Atlas
Might make them transform but probably won't win
>Yellowjacket
He would probably stand some chance as a giant, but he's better off getting the frick out of here to help build the Saiyan Ass Raper 9000
Alternatively the same as Wasp
>Green Goblin
One-shotted
>Falcon
One-shotted
>Silver Surfer
Actually has a good chance of winning
>Galactus
From good chance of winning to one-shotting them
Okay that's about everyone I can make out in the picture.
tl;dr most characters would get defeated quickly but the DB guys would still ultimately get beaten by the sheer amount of powerhouses
it would probably be more fair if it was the entire DB verse vs Marvel universe but my autism is too tired to consider that for now
>it would probably be more fair if it was the entire DB verse vs Marvel universe
That wouldn't change a thing? Since Zeno still jobs to the powerhouses in Marvel.
Zeno jobs to a lot of people because I remember he literally couldn't perceive one of the ToP fights with his eyes. Some God he is. Frieza could sneak up and kill him before he could react.
>Frieza could sneak up and kill him before he could react.
Get Frieza past Beerus first, who shits himself before Zeno.
Beerus isn't Zeno's bodyguard or anything, and going by that stupid scene he could blitz him oo.
Beerus is massively inferior to Zeno, and as for perceiving others, Zeno kept up with the GODs at their full power in their battle royale.
He literally says he can't see one of the fights and needs it explained to him in an episode
This might be one of Dyspo's fights though I don't remember exactly
>get frieza past beerus first
Damn I dodnt think thats gonna happen…. Beerus is WALL LEVEL after all, that’s REALLY strong for a dbz character
>this throwaway line proves the guy who literally creates and destroys universes and has no known superior is actually a jobber and some planetbusting villain could just sneak up on him and kill him
Come on now. Dragon Ball isn't as moronic as capeshit (yet).
It's an entire scene, not just a line. I'm just baffled at them including shit like this in the first place. I know DBS' target audience is literal small children, and I'm usually not even THAT anal about power scaling autism, but surely they must put at least some care into not making their almighty deity look weak.
I would've accepted any kind of explanation if there was one in canon.
I mean he is just kinda chilling there.
Doesn't that imply that if he was in a relaxed state, he could be outsped by a lot of the mortal shitters that shouldn't be anywhere near him power-wise?
Depends on if the guard down rule applies to him.
Does it really matter though? I assume nothing can hurt him. He survived timeline deletion with no trouble.
Maybe he's immortal?
You could get the jump on him and it would hurt him, it just wouldn't do anything aside from dooming all of existence to nonexistence because you made him mad.
Maybe, Toriyama never went into depth with Zeno so we can never know. Dragon Ball Heroes has characters said to be comparable to Zeno but Toriyama didn't work on it so it's kinda just a throw away line that doesn't help.
I don't think it makes sense for him to not be immortal if the angels are anything to go by.
Aside from fighting, what can't the angels do?
>not be immortal if the angels are anything to go by.
And what did the Angels say exactly?
I didn't say the Angels said anything, I said "if the angels are anything to go by" which means "given what we know about the angels, there's no reason for Zeno to not be just as, or even more immortal than they are".
When Goku travelled to the future and summoned Future Zeno, he erased literally everything, when Goku went back for him, there was nothing left, not even the GP was around.
>When Goku travelled to the future and summoned Future Zeno, he erased literally everything, when Goku went back for him, there was nothing left, not even the GP was around.
That literally says nothing about immortality, just someone scaling higher than others in attack potency.
And the angels are not immortal, they're ageless, much like the GoDs, if you want to consider that immortality, but the only true immortal was Zamasu because of his wish.
Point is, why fear Zeno if he can be killed, or better yet, erased altogether.
The only answer that makes sense in-universe is "he can't be".
>Beerus, the guy that Goku and Vegeta aren't allowed to surpass in power, is utterly terrified of Zeno
>Whis, the guy who can oneshot Beerus, screams in terror when Zeno askes to see Goku
>Whis says even he cannot compare to the Grand Priest's power, the Grand Priest is merely Zeno's servant
>but no lol you can just kill him
That's stupid.
>Hmm, the only reason the galaxy and Vegeta feared Frieza was because.... he couldn't be killed 🙂
>Hmm, the only reason Frieza feared Buu was because umm... he can't be killed 🙂
That's not how it works.
Plus, you're headcanoning an ability Zeno doesn't have and is never stated so I'll be dismissing that, the reason Zeno is feared because of 1 simple reason which is LITERALLY stated in the show: "He's stronger than everyone else in the multiverse and can blink you out in an instant"
Zeno can be killed, you just have to follow Dragon Ball's most simple rule, be stronger than your opponent, which can't be fulfilled since he's at the top of the scaling chain.
>beerus isnt immune to gag characters
Oh no…dragon sisters? Do we JOB to Popeye teh sailorman?
He is "immortal" in the longevity sense and living a long time.
But he isn't immortal in the same way Zamasu was, as in regenerating from every wound, that has never been stated.
Scaling wise, he is stated to be stronger everyone in the verse so no one can do any damage to him.
It's never stated he isn't immortal though.
That's not how burden of proof works.
They also said he's immune to gag character logic, but then almost shits himself from eating food prepared by a gag character.
He said that no mortal is immune to his ability to erase. That includes ghosts, gag characters, etc.
See another dumb thing about that scene is that despite not being able to percieve Frieza and Dyspo Zenos had no problem with perceiving considerably more powerful (and therefore faster) Jiren and UI Goku. Same with SSBE Vegeta and GoD Toppo. It just plain makes no sense.
Zeno probably just needed to power up to follow the faster fights. He was just kinda chilling with his friend and using tablets so he didn't bother. Base Goku can also destoy atleast 4 boundless realms with just punches.
>Kang The Jobber
>Gives them a hard time
I wanna consider the characters at their best, and he does have a ton of equipment comparable to Doom plus all the time travel frickery
I love how most Marvel characters (and cape characters in general if we're being honest) are kinda average, and then there's a few that are "frick you, I'm going to blink and you'll be wiped from existence" And some are a mix of both
So how does the super Saiyan ass rape 9000 fare against them?
It's just a machine that summons Piccolo to give Vegeta his daily dose.
You can't make this thread on Cinemaphile
You shouldn't be able to make this thread on Cinemaphile
Frick off
>Sentry
Vegeta gets thrown into the sun.
Goku gets thrown into the sun but ITTs back and...
Wait...
DOOM
All of Goku and Vegeta's attacks are various forms of throwing their Ki (life force) at people. DOOM can just absorb that shit.
Also there's at least one Phoenix in there, so...
Of course DOOM would probably hang back and let a bunch of other people die before making his move. And it's entirely possible that Wanda could go haywire and unreality both Goku and Vegeta. Gladiator should be roughly equivalent to Jiren as long as his self-confidence holds out.
Anyway a large number of those characters are going to die but Goku and Vegeta would not walk away from this fight. Some of those guys in the back could even erase them from the timeline so they can't be wished back with dragonballs.
>Cyclops: Good job Professor, you really saved our skin!
>Professor X: Scott, I didn't do shit.
funny
Xavier only knows how to send holocaust beams, Jean is the one who makes guys gay
Not having telepathic resistance = insta KO
Not going to lie, I think Goku might actually be too stupid and simple for telepathy to be any useful in an actual fight.
So, Goku is going along with the kiss because he wants to.
Goku has telepathy so he could probably resist Xavier’s powers
Xavier could probably overpower his mind even with that. He spent his whole life honing his abilities and I'm certain Goku wouldn't train stuff like mental resistance because it's boring.
Even Batman could take on DBS Goku if Goku doesn't have his plot armor and I hate batwankery. Goku is legitimately moronic and he is the smartest fighter in the show.
He won't.
tpbp
>homosexual fantasies
Done.
>if he's written by Cates, he achieves his bullshit universal symbiote god forms or whatever and one-shots them
I laughed.
>Juggernaut
>Will give them a hard time, make them transform more than once, but probably won't win
That's bullshit you spic
Without going into scaling autism too much, I perceive Juggernaut as being somewhere between Thing and Hulk, closer to Hulk but not as strong.
Juggernaut could probably give them a solid run for their money honestly. The last thing I read with him was during Acts of Vengeance when he was clobbering the shit of if Thor. Thor couldn't even do jack shit to him outside of unleashing the Godforce on him and even that just made him pause long enough for Thor to teleport him to another dimension. Really, Gokus insistence in having a good fight would be bad here since he probably wouldn't consider instant transmissioning him into orbit.
Makes sense though since Juggernaut is basically being powered by an Elder God
Juggernaught would probably beat them, the best chance they have is vegeta using spirit fission to try and take away juggys powers or if they use fusion
>Saiyan Ass Raper 9000
Which fails.
Loki could beat them easily bc he has every power ever. But he is a kind hearted pacifist and wouldn’t. I love him.
based Loki fangirl
The series actually made me a better person. I was already a pacifist. Now i only want kindness, Loki is my role model. (The series version, I hate Loki in the movies.) and the series also made me a lokean. He’s the biggest Chad ever, has every power ever, but is still soooo sweet and loving. And it seems most agree.
Why would you say such a thing? Loki is literally so sweet. Why do you hate positive characters?
Loki was fricking with classic dr strange so he would unironically beat goku and vegeta
Unpopular opinion but Loki is shit
What exactly would the Saiyan Ass Raper 9000 do?
Ass rape them 9000 times, it's in the name
You know that r34 gif of piccolo and Vegeta.
Something like that I would imagine, but over 9,000 of course.
>wolverine would unironically one shot if he got a good hit in ngl
Anyways goku and vegeta dont get past silver surfer, thor, blue marvel, dr doom, dr strange or sentry (basically anybody who isnt street lvl)
X-Men aren't street level and a lot of them would get bodied
True, ppl like nightcrawler would get bodied, but K didnt say all x-men were street lvl. I legit think if wolverine got a clean hit on vegeta it would put him down
How? Dude doesn't have super speed, he'd basically be a statue compared to Vegeta.
Marvel characters are VERY inconsistent, wolverine has been knocked out by a deer before hes also gone toe to toe with the hulk, so he has plenty of feats like being able to fight thor, be able to tag thanos, and has many fights with spider man (spider man is easily ftl) so depending on how u want to scale him u can get wolverine to the same speed as vegeta
They are, but pretending that Wolverine is anything but street level at best is delusional, especially the notion of him touching someone like Vegeta.
I said if u use wolverines inconsistent feats he would have similar speed to vegeta, if u want to use his more consistent feats he MIGHT be ftl
>I said if u use wolverines inconsistent feats he would have similar speed to vegeta
Dude, you can cite Falcon having similar speeds to Vegeta using his inconsistent feats, doesn't mean people won't think it's utterly moronic.
>if u want to use his more consistent feats he MIGHT be ftl
Oh, frick sakes, you're beyond help.
homie half the feats in dragon ball are inconsistent, people saying base goku is multiversal but he gets his ass beat by broly (broly wasnt holding back and the most he did was like mountain-island lvl)
>your beyond help
Spiderman>=wolverine
Spiderman>laser beams (literally just google spiderman dodges laser, its not that hard)
Wolverine is definitely above street level, especially with regeneration. But much weaker than the proper powerhouses of course.
>so he has plenty of feats like being able to fight thor, be able to tag thanos
My man none of these guys are known for being fast, literally EVERYONE tags them and I'm not sure Thor is even aware of the concept of "dodging"
>spider man is easily ftl
What are you on bro, bullets tend to pose a problem for him
Thor's hammer flies across galaxies in minutes
>Thor's hammer flies across galaxies in minutes
A regular dude can pitch a baseball at 60 mph, but that doesn't mean he can run that fast.
Show me literally ONE instance of Thanos being fast
>Bro has dodged laser plenty of times ur just coping
Generic energy/plasma guns are not lasers. That and aim-dodging is a thing.
>(also gokus failed to catch bullets too lol)
Tardku is also slow, but to his credit he wasn't trying to catch them and had no trouble reacting fast enough to block them.
>hurr durr he cant run dat fast
Fight speed ≠ running speed, dumbass
>ONE instance of thanks being fast
Can react to and brutalize the silver surfer who can easily travel galaxies, and can cross a light year in a moment. how fast did u think thanos was, peak human? XD
>Fight speed ≠ running speed, dumbass
And neither of that has anything to do with the speed of a pitched object, morono
>Can react to and brutalize the silver surfer who can--
I said show me Thanos being fast, like ACTUALLY on-panel fast and not mental gymnastics about Surfer's cruising speed. A bodybuilder being able to beat up a fighter jet pilot doesn't make him supersonic.
Shitters with no super speed like Daredevil and the like have danced around Surfer, this isn't an accomplishment you think it is.
>how fast did u think thanos was, peak human? XD
He couldn't tag Starlord and Kitty Pryde so even slower than that.
>calling me a moron
>not knowing people have dodged thors hammer throws
Lol
>huur durrr CaN U ShOw Me THanOs beiNG FaST!!??!huurr durrr
First off surfer can react while flying so he would scale to his flight speed moron, also thor can react to the speed of his hammer while off guard so ur whole point about him not scaling to its speed is irrelevant gay (also daredevil, kitty pride, starlord, ect are all faster than jiren XD)
>also daredevil, kitty pride, starlord, ect are all faster than jiren XD
false
This feels weirdly drawn-out for something so insignificant. Thor has Mjolnir return to him hundreds of times yet this is the only one where they bother to show that it could be a threat if he was slower.
>also daredevil, kitty pride, starlord, ect are all faster than jiren XD
true
>none of those people are fast
You are moronic
>spiderman has trouble with bullets
Bro has dodged laser plenty of times ur just coping (also gokus failed to catch bullets too lol)
>Thing doing worse than shitters like Juggernaut, She-Hulk, Hyperion, Iron Man (!!!) and Captain Marvel when he's only slightly weaker than Hulk
>same for Namor
>Super-Skrull doing worse than Invisible Woman
>Ghost Rider accomplishing anything
>Sandman not getting glassed
>Electro doing literally anything
>Photon doing that badly
>Ultron doing worse than Thor (and Hulk) despite consistently folding him and the entire Avengers teams
>Yellowjacket standing any chance as a giant while Atlas can barely make them go SSJ
>Shitters like Kang and Doom doing anything despite getting consistently folded by Thor and Thing respectively
>magic users not getting speedblitzed off the bat
>the implied gigantic power gap between people who can only force them into SSJ1 to people who stand a chance against beating them (supposedly ten super saiyan forms later)
What the frick was OP smoking
Juggernaut has some ridiculous feats and can go toe-to-toe with Hulk on a good day. He's definitely stronger than Thing and Namor.
>Super-Skrull doing worse than Invisible Woman
Oh yeah I suppose he could just kill them the same way she does.
>Ghost Rider accomplishing anything
>Sandman not getting glassed
>Electro doing literally anything
Jobbing memes are no fun.
>Photon doing that badly
As far as I know, she's planet level. That's not too impressive all things considered.
>Ultron doing worse than Thor (and Hulk) despite consistently folding him and the entire Avengers teams
I mean, I think Ultron CAN beat them. But he hasn't beaten Hulk and Thor at their best.
>Shitters like Kang and Doom doing anything despite getting consistently folded by Thor and Thing respectively
Inconsistencies are bound to pile up over decades. I chalk them up to Doom wearing different armors when he's getting bodied by the Thing and when he's pawning things far above Thing's weight class. Do I get a no-prize for that?
>Yellowjacket standing any chance as a giant while Atlas can barely make them go SSJ
Pym is more proficient with his particles and can reach bigger sizes.
>magic users not getting speedblitzed off the bat
Not when they'd be distracted but someone else.
>the implied gigantic power gap between people who can only force them into SSJ1 to people who stand a chance against beating them (supposedly ten super saiyan forms later)
That's just the logical result of trying to scale so many characters.
>Juggernaut has some ridiculous feats and can go toe-to-toe with Hulk on a good day
So can Thing and Namor? Hell they at least actually beat Hulk at times, and Thing did WAY better against Immortal Hulk than Juggernaut did too, and have better high ends
>Jobbing memes are no fun
It's not about jobbing, Sandman is literally made of sand and you're claiming that guys who can blow up planets have no way to put him down. Electricity doesn't ignore durability either, if Spider-Man can survive getting shocked by Electro then so can Gokek.
>As far as I know, she's planet level. That's not too impressive all things considered.
She's intangible, faster than almost anyone on this list, can shit out deadly radiation, absorb energy and jump into people's brains to fry them
>I mean, I think Ultron CAN beat them. But he hasn't beaten Hulk and Thor at their best.
He literally did. He and Thor fought dozens of times and Thor is ALWAYS getting schooled.
>Inconsistencies are bound to pile up over decades.
It's not inconsistencies, them getting their asses beat by Thor and Thing is what happens consistently. Thor damn near murdered Kang multiple times and Thing needs to regularly be stopped by Reed from doing the same to Doom.
>Pym is more proficient with his particles and can reach bigger sizes.
Atlas is aknowledged to be stronger in-universe and Pym's useful size caps at skyscraper, the whole "I can grow into the realm of abstracts" was a one-time thing that Pym admitted he can't do again without going insane
>Not when they'd be distracted but someone else.
Thought this was 1v1 and not army vs duo. Otherwise they'd just be blinked out of existence by Galactus or Tribunal off the bat.
>That's just the logical result of trying to scale so many characters
That scaling doesn't make sense when the likes of Thing typically give Hulk tier characters a good workout, while the power gap between SSJ1 and whatever upper forms would be in thousands, if not millions
>Thing did WAY better against Immortal Hulk than Juggernaut did too
Wasn't Immortal Hulk weakened when he met Thing? Going by WWH Juggernaut definitely did a bit better against Hulk back there.
>Sandman is literally made of sand and you're claiming that guys who can blow up planets have no way to put him down.
Hmm, that's fair.
>Electricity doesn't ignore durability either
Electricity doesn't kill through damage, it kills by disrupting nerve signals from the heart. And while I generally don't like that excuse since it's used far too often, Electro is the posterboy for someone who has far greater power than he realizes.
>She's intangible, faster than almost anyone on this list, can shit out deadly radiation, absorb energy and jump into people's brains to fry them
Alright, that's on my ignorance. She could stand a good chance then.
>He literally did.
But not when Thor is at his most powerful.
>It's not inconsistencies, them getting their asses beat by Thor and Thing is what happens consistently..
I mean, I know the Doom thing has happened a couple of times, so I wouldn't say regularly. He still has beaten all sorts of bullshit that should be above Thing's paygrade. And Thor is pretty high-tier himself.
>Atlas is aknowledged to be stronger in-universe
Okay, that's fair if true. I haven't actually read the Thunderbolts run where Atlas was active.
>Thought this was 1v1 and not army vs duo. Otherwise they'd just be blinked out of existence by Galactus or Tribunal off the bat.
I mean, I think proficient sorcerers like Strange or Doom would still have counters to fast opponents.
>That scaling doesn't make sense when the likes of Thing typically give Hulk tier characters a good workout, while the power gap between SSJ1 and whatever upper forms would be in thousands, if not millions
The power gap between Hulk and Hulk at his best would be pretty huge as well.
>Wasn't Immortal Hulk weakened when he met Thing?
No. He was mind controlled, but was explicitly going along with it. If anything it was implied that Puppet Master's anger was adding up to Hulk's.
As for high ends, Thing has also taken blasts from Galactus and Celestials, beat up Watcher-tier Rapture (in the event comic where she no-diffed Gladiator and Imperial Guard and survived a blast that destroyed 9/10 of the universe) and survived a beating from someone who was draining Big Bang for power, among other things
>Electro
Maybe, but apparently that's not how it works in Marvel because a lot of people survived, tanked or just no sold getting electrocuted by him.
As for his potential, it pretty specifically requires him to stop being a dumbass and actually explore his powers, which isn't going to happen in the middle of a fight.
Also I'm decently sure Dragon Ball characters have faced electric opponents and we're fine
>not when Thor is at his most powerful
Okay? Thor constantly gets and loses power-ups, but the Thor in the picture is a regular one
>I mean, I know the Doom thing has happened a couple of times, so I wouldn't say regularly.
Picrel (context being an imposter masking as Reed told Ben that he needs to kill Doom, and this is him discussing that with Johnny Storm)
>He still has beaten all sorts of bullshit that should be above Thing's paygrade.
Almost always because he planned and prepared beforehand. Also he lost to Thing even with power ups
>sorcerer's vs fast opponents
Doom has an automatic forcefield and an armor to protect him, but Strange doesn't have anything of the sort and it's not rare for him to get knocked out by mundane street level shit
>Atlas
He has also been aknowledged multiple times to be in the same strength class as Thor, Hercules and Wonder Man
>power gap
Hulk in the picture is Savage and he can't really go "to his peak" without outside factors (like his wife and planet getting blown up or possession by weird shit)
>Puppet Master
Oh, you mean the 2019 Fantastic Four one. Yeah, but that one was Thing clearly pushing his limits. I think it's hardly a level he can maintain consistently. The others are a point for his durability, though I prefer not to take shitters with a handful of appearances like Rapture too seriously because Marvels has dozens of these "faux powerhouses", characters who are supposedly really strong but only one or two writers ever used them.
>As for his potential, it pretty specifically requires him to stop being a dumbass and actually explore his powers, which isn't going to happen in the middle of a fight.
Sure, but I wanted to highlight how he technically has the capacity to win.
>Okay? Thor constantly gets and loses power-ups, but the Thor in the picture is a regular one
It's more fun to consider characters in their strongest state here. Same for Hulk.
>Picrel (context being an imposter masking as Reed told Ben that he needs to kill Doom, and this is him discussing that with Johnny Storm)
I mean, I know it happened more than once, but I'm also pretty sure there were plenty of team fights where Ben and the others didn't fare as well against Doom.
>Doom has an automatic forcefield and an armor to protect him, but Strange doesn't have anything of the sort and it's not rare for him to get knocked out by mundane street level shit
Doesn't Strange have some bullshit speed/time-stopping feats though?
Logically, everyone after Frieza is planet-level or above.
It's super effective.
>Oh, you mean the 2019 Fantastic Four one. Yeah, but that one was Thing clearly pushing his limits.
Well yeah, but Immortal Hulk isn't exactly an average Hulk form either. Also, out of the recent stuff I can also recall Ben cracking and straining Sue's forcefields that you apparently rank above Goku and Vegeta, casually manhandling She-Hulk with one arm (who you ranked as high as Hyperion and Juggernaut for some reason) and holding his own against her when she was boosted by Celestials to Immortal Hulk levels too
>though I prefer not to take shitters with a handful of appearances like Rapture too seriously because Marvels has dozens of these "faux powerhouses"
I'd consider this a fair point if she was written by multiple writers and was all over the place, but so far she was in one story and was shelved right after, so I'm not seeing the issue here
>It's more fun to consider characters in their strongest state here. Same for Hulk.
By that logic half of characters on that list had some kind of stupid cosmic power-ups, be it Phoenix Force, Uni-Power, Power Cosmic or something else
>but I'm also pretty sure there were plenty of team fights where Ben and the others didn't fare as well against Doom
That happens when Doom has some prep device or power-up and jumps them or they fight him on his home turf and have to contend with all the traps and robots too. In fair 1v1 fights Doom has been trashed by Ben and Sue a lot (and sometimes even with prep and power-ups), and even Reed managed to go toe to toe with him while bare-handed in Secret Wars
>Doesn't Strange have some bullshit speed/time-stopping feats though?
He usually needs some time to cast his spells though
>that you apparently rank above Goku and Vegeta,
By themselves they're definitely not above, but Sue has occasionally used the forcefields to prevent the air from getting in people's lungs.
>(who you ranked as high as Hyperion and Juggernaut for some reason)
Most because of Savage She-Hulk. I admit there's a lot of leeway in Thing vs. She-Hulk though there are some feats like this one in her favor.
>I'd consider this a fair point if she was written by multiple writers and was all over the place, but so far she was in one story and was shelved right after, so I'm not seeing the issue here
The issue is it's harder to take a character seriously as a consistent powerhouse when they're absent from everything most of the time, at least for me.
>By that logic half of characters on that list had some kind of stupid cosmic power-ups, be it Phoenix Force, Uni-Power, Power Cosmic or something else
Well, how do I put it? I consider power-ups that don't change the nature of the character fundamentally. I know there was stuff like the Phoenix Cyclops or Captain Universe Spider-Man but those are obviously characters being imbued with alien power that's vastly different from what they'd be able to reach, so I don't consider it, since power-wise that's effectively not Spider-Man anymore but a different entity flavored as him. That's arbitrary, but it makes sense to me.
>In fair 1v1 fights Doom has been trashed by Ben and Sue a lot (and sometimes even with prep and power-ups), and even Reed managed to go toe to toe with him while bare-handed in Secret Wars
That's fair, but his top-tier equipment is a crucial part of his character's claim to power, so I'm including it.
>He usually needs some time to cast his spells though
He has forcefields and summons that can buy him time to cast some OP shit.
>Most because of Savage She-Hulk. I admit there's a lot of leeway in Thing vs. She-Hulk though there are some feats like this one in her favor.
This was She-Hulk when she was considerably boosted because of some training arc that made her strong enough to beat the piss out of Champion of the Universe. She lost that power-up at the end of the same run. But even when she was boosted even further during Aaron's Avengers she couldn't beat an already battle weary Thing when she got possessed and tried her best to kill him for like 3 issues straight. When it comes to standard She-Hulk it's not even a contest. During Reckoning War Ben casually restrained pissed off Jen with one arm (after Reed apparently left Jack of Hearts to die and she wanted to frick Reed up for that, picrel) and in her recent-ish run she punched Ben without holding back and he didn't even feel it.
>Well, how do I put it? I consider power-ups that don't change the nature of the character fundamentally
But then that would affect Thor's power ups as well since it's always weird shit like Odinforce, Power Cosmic or Rune Magic.
>That's fair, but his top-tier equipment is a crucial part of his character's claim to power, so I'm including it.
Fair, I suppose.
>He has forcefields and summons that can buy him time to cast some OP shit.
He needs time to make forcefields or summon shit as well, and whatever reaction times he does have would not be enough to outdraw someone like Goku and Vegeta unless they explicitly let him
>During Reckoning War Ben casually restrained pissed off Jen with one arm (after Reed apparently left Jack of Hearts to die and she wanted to frick Reed up for that, picrel) and in her recent-ish run she punched Ben without holding back and he didn't even feel it.
That's good to know, but like I said, I put her on par with Juggernaut because of Savage She-Hulk (who is definitely comparable to Devil Hulk).
>But then that would affect Thor's power ups as well since it's always weird shit like Odinforce, Power Cosmic or Rune Magic.
Stuff like viking magic or space stuff is definitely not alien to Thor's nature. Odinforce is something he should probably naturally inherit.
>He needs time to make forcefields or summon shit as well, and whatever reaction times he does have would not be enough to outdraw someone like Goku and Vegeta unless they explicitly let him
I guess he'd need a distraction not to get one-shotted then, but if he had that, he wouldn't have trouble destroying them.
>That's good to know, but like I said, I put her on par with Juggernaut because of Savage She-Hulk (who is definitely comparable to Devil Hulk).
That logic doesn't hold up because Devil Hulk folded Juggernaut so Savage Jen should be head and shoulders above him (along with stuff like punching holes in celestial armor and not even noticing Susan's forcefields), and Cain in general hasn't done anything impressive as of late (between getting trashed by Thor while Cain was empowered, getting his skull caved in by Nimrod twice and getting matched by Rhino)
>Odinforce is something he should probably naturally inherit.
Odinforce is something Odin needs to purposely transfer into him. It's not something that happens automatically, Odin can (and has in the past) theoretically grant it to anyone.
>That logic doesn't hold up because Devil Hulk folded Juggernaut so Savage Jen should be head and shoulders above him
Yeah, that would put her above Juggernaut, and I didn't consider Sue above her either way.
>Odinforce is something Odin needs to purposely transfer into him. It's not something that happens automatically, Odin can (and has in the past) theoretically grant it to anyone.
I mean, that's technically similar to how Mjolnir works to begin with. But all that's part of Thor's natural mythology (at least as far as Marvel is concerned) so it's fair game.
I mean, I'm fairly certain they lose to most Marvel powerhouses comparable to Hulk.
>I mean, I'm fairly certain they lose to most Marvel powerhouses comparable to Hulk.
Torch maybe, Thing either can or has beaten a fair share of Hulk/Thor tier powerhouses.
Juggernaut's power level tends to be all over the place. He once took the full brunt on the God Force head on and all it did was push him back a few inches, and I don't believe it actually hurt him. It was enough to make him stop long enough for Thor to teleport him to another dimension, but still.
>As far as I know, she's planet level. That's not too impressive all things considered.
The only guys who ever destroyed a planet were Frieza, Buu and Beerus.
>Shitters like Kang and Doom doing anything despite getting consistently folded by Thor and Thing respectively
Doom has plenty of feats like holding off celestials (also I could just argue that would upscale thing lol)
>Rogue somehow fairs far worse than Danvers
>despite having all of Danvers' powers with remote life drain on top of that
Carol wank is strong.
Bruh this art is GARBAGE XD
I've never read that comic but I think it's ok. Gives me slightt Aeon Flux vibes.
This the VS thread?
How far could maxasiaticwank get in Marvel then?
Professor X forces them to make out like in the meme
Matter manipulators and magicians will give them the biggest trouble.
Ghost Rider would rape Vegeta's soul knowing how much blood is on his hands.
>Ghost Rider would rape Vegeta's soul knowing how much blood is on his hands.
Ehh I'd say it's completely up to the writer. Vegeta's most recent character arc was all about casting away feelings of shame and sin, and only leaving the pride of everything he and his race stood for in the past. He could be easily handed a free Penance Stare pass if the story wills it.
While we're on the topic I guess, how exactly did Galactus go from "really big guy that eats planets" to "actually he's not even really a person, he's the abstract concept of the multiverse's eternal hunger or something"
>"really big guy that eats planets"
That was just the layman's interpretation. He was originally conceived as the antagonist for the story where Fantastic Four would fight God, and for a fairly long time he was undefeated by conventional means. I think Beyonder (created about 20 years after Galactus) was the first character that was explicitly meant to be more powerful. But then they started wanking Galactus even more, and it all snowballed.
>Well hey there Goku, let's make this a fair fight, alright Sugah?
>shakes his hand
Cyclops solos Shartku
Unironically (all humans in marvel are outerversal)
Marvel has Godzilla and the entire race of Ultramen.
Marvel has
>Mazinger
>Godzilla
>The Doctor
>G.I. Joe
>The Transformers
>Star Wars
>Muppet Babies
>Ultraman
Goku and Vegeta are screwed. They can't do anything against the Muppet Babies power of imagination.
>Shockwave joins the Science Squad to build the Sayian Ass Raper 9000
>Mazinger
Don’t worry it’s only the classic version of Mazinger, Mazinger Zero isn’t a part of Marvel so Goku and Vegeta have a chance at not dying instantly.
Ultraman comics are not canon to MU though unless I missed some crossover
A crossover was planned for last year, but it got delayed until this year.
Goku: "Wow Vegeta, I can't believe every single one of them kicked you in the dick."
Vegeta: *high pitched squeaking noise*
-Man
>One-shotted
even if he's not as strong, Spider-sense gives him a huge tactical advantage
>"Danger! Coming fr-!"
>*THWACK*
Even if he can sense the danger, there's not much stopping the hurt from coming,
Against most people, but probably not against those that regularly move faster than the human eye can see.
homie spiderman spiderman dodges electricity and laser all the time stop coping (still loses tho)
>some regular human shitter with power armor and blasters vs a combat precog with explicit superspeed
>all Spider-Man has to do is move out of the way of the blaster's line of fire in the moment between he aims and fires (and that's even assuming that guy is a good shot and can actually hit shit)
>which he can do thanks to a literal precognition power that points where the danger is coming from and because the gunner is a regular human
Power level homosexualry has rotten your brain
>duuhh spidey can see it coming!!!
Doesnt matter hes dodging multiple lasers simultaneously he would AT LEAST be relativistic
>using CHADeye to downplay
Hawkeye is faster than everyone in naruto btw
nope
Wrong
>can supposedly dodge light
>can't dodge arrows
So light speed in Marvel is slower than arrows, gotcha
Clearly these are Omega-level arrows
Arrows in marvel are faster than whis
no
It's just gonna be Infinity War all over again where it does activate but since he can't actually do anything to prevent his own death, he's just freaking the frick out until he dies.
According to Dragon Ball canon, a gag character can beat Goku and Vegeta, as long as it's funny. Roger Rabbit rules.
>I assume the glowing eyes guy is Hyperion
>See Juggernaut
Assuming this guy is still the current Hyperion, he fricking negs both saiyans so hard it's not even funny. Shown to be on-par with Thor who himself bodies dbz characters and survived two universes collapsing in on him.
Honestly captain america and wolverine have a good chance to beat the z fighters
Two words, DBZ cucks.
>Squirrel
>Girl
Arale mogs
…on opposite day
>reddit meme
… in bizarro world.
If Phoenix has 5 bars and x-factor she wins ez
You vastly underestimate Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm. I didn’t read much else.
Is this that series of vids where Gokek and Bejita are wildly homosexual
To think this was HAND DRAWN by TORIYAMA himself…
>dragon ball tards write fanfic where goku and vegeta dont job to deadpool or squirrel girl
>devolves into random gay shit
Not surprising
Damn, girl Goku got me interested in DBZ all of the sudden
Why are you homosexuals like this? Why this obsession with proving your heroes are stronger than everyone else? Is power level really the only draw you have here? Is being strong truly all there is to these characters? Do you even know what strength is? Frick off.
You didn't even read it yet already got assmad. I'm trying to give a fair assessment.
That you're even having this discussion at all is asinine.
I think it's fun.
Scott will give them a good beam clash. When Scott cuts loose, he can clear mountain ranges. I wish he would do this more often.
>he can clear mountain ranges
Vegeta could do that when he was a child.
I can see them taking most of these people out, but they have no answer to Madcap.
He'll just brainwash them into killing each other.
It's funny to me that this image is like a decade old and people still get angry.
As soon as they killed Spider-man, Silver Surfer would rearrange their atoms into lead.
They demonstrated immunity to transformation, for example Buu transformed them into candy and they still continued fighting.
No, that was Vegito, who was way stronger than either of them. Individually they have no such feats.
Saiyans can't breathe in space, literally just destroy the planet and they're fricked.
Which Marvel characters do you see seeking out training under the likes the of Roshi or Piccolo?
Shut the frick up and get the frick out you mentally challenged imbecile
Wrong board
>Roshi
X-23 🙂
yep...
Your fav is not beating modern Goku and Vegeta. Especially both of them together.
I'm sorry it's just not happening. People don't realize that they aren't just FTL, they are zillions of times faster than FTL when scaled right. The strength of Goku alone is unimaginable, let alone fused.
Base Thor victims.
My favorite wins by fricking their wives while they fight some cosmic level Phoenix shit
Pretty sure a couple of those guys have lasers, so Goku loses.
Vegita is Vegita, so he'll job no matter what.
Some even have bullets!
If we are going to be realistic, they lose by numbers. The two of them will eventually get one shot by someone with laser vision.
redditors
Yes, but realistically they wouldn't face all of those together.
You know they would
The idea of Spider-Man yelling at Venom to activate his Danny Cates power makes me chuckle.
OP is making the mistake of considering each fight 2v1 in favour of the Saiyans, which goes against both sides' mentality. Goku and Vegeta would take turns and the marvel side would just swarm them all at once
>the marvel side would just swarm them all at once
No, they wouldn't. Only the Avengers would do it.
I don’t know why people are complaining about DBSpics, OP gave fair odds for the various characters.
I think this image was originally Latina but I'm not sure.