Im halfway thru this shit and its probably the worst piece of crap I have ever seen, is Viggo that desperate for money? Did I get filtered? Wtf is going on
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Wait is that Lea really naked or body double?
How the frick do you even ask that when her body/face are clearly shown in a single take?
I bet you think Leslie Mann really got naked for The Change-Up too.
well sure when an obvious prosthetic is involved then the nudity is faked but that is not the case here
Leslie Man didn't have any obvious prosthetic, it was CGI nudity.
all the same, clearly not the case with this movie
Ok, but not for the reason stated
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again, 99% of the time face and body in same shot = the actress was nude on set in front of the camera
Maybe in 1995, but technology has advanced significantly since then.
it was true in 1995 and it’s true now. that movie and the woman showering in machete are the only examples of cgi nudity i can think of, and i’ll bet you can’t give any further examples either.
Lena Headey on GOT
>Leslie Mann really got naked for The Change-Up too.
SSSAUCE?
I said someone who believes you can't fake something shown clearly in a single take must believe she really got naked even though she didn't it was just computer generated nudity.
Do you realise that Lea Seydoux's breakout role was essentially softcore lesbian porn?
Doesn't change the fact that a single take showing the full face and body doesn't mean it isn't a body double.
99% of the time it does, and when the actress is french and has done tons of nudity before, it might as well be 100% odds of it being her
fricking dumbass
that’s how it works 99% of the time genius, especially when the actress is french. why would they bother faking nudity when she’s been naked dozens of times before?
No one saw this
Ironically, there 3 big threads about it these past 2 days
I tried finding tickets and there was one showing far away from me.
>Wtf is going on
Cronenberg made a shit movie. That's all
I need to rewatch it before I pass judgement
You now realize the TRUE reason why people walked out of this at Cannes
It got a 6 min standing ovation. It's aCronenberg movie, spectators should know what his themes and visions are. For those who want something bland there's always pg-13
Ever heard that story of a banana in an art museum and people thinking it was a piece of art and looking at it with awe? Same fricking analogy with your Standing ovation meme.
This movie has the dumbest fricking plot and premise ever. Cant believe they got those 3 "stars" to be in it.
the plot/premise is corporations criminalizing evolution because its a threat to their profits
Corporation would make a lot of money if they could sell industrial waste as food and stop worrying about actually producing real food.
not economically viable, too much supply.
Right now they have to pay someone else to get rid of the supply of industrial waste, it would definitely be economical to package it into little units and sell it instead of disposing of it in the expensive way we do now.
anon they show the kid not needing it packaged. it would be like trying to sell pre-packaged air.
They sell pre-packaged air all the time, pay for compressor time to inflate your tires, to run your air tools, buy scuba tanks, oxygen tanks, portable air tanks, etc.
Its not viable to be eating someone's trash can so they have to replace it every day when you can just buy a bar of plastic waste instead.
>buh muh tires!
anon, you might be too moronic to understand why it wouldn't be economically viable to try to sell something when the competition is the fact the supply is literally everywhere, can't be controlled, doesn't benefit from being packaged, etc.
Then why were all the adults shown manufacturing and eating plastic bars instead of just eating trash cans and raw waste?
What was the point in packaging the plastic into bars if there was no point?
did they strike you as rich because of their packaged plastic bar business?
the point is it was easy enough to collect and "package" that random poor people could do it without any support structure.
If random poor people could do it, an industry could do it more efficiently while making profits.
so yea, you're too moronic to understand why huge industries don't embrace the obsolescence of their primary business models as a result of changing times, new technology, evolution, etc, and shift to models where they'll exchange all yield for hypothetical volume, but without any of the market control necessary in order to actually turn a profit.
farmers have to be paid to over-produce and destroy the excess in order to make mass distribution of food economically viable. we could desalinate the oceans, but the fact bottled spring water is less than 50 cents a gallon means the water produced would have even less market value.
you're basically asking why Hollywood isn't shitting out youtube content to compete with frozen elsa spiderman abortion shorts.
Hollywood does shit out youtube content, though.
Profitable recycling of the industrial waste would only strengthen their primary business models, farmers are not the main concern of the business model of plastic manufacturing.
anon, in crimes of the future, the primary business models of the corporations seeking to criminalize evolution, are products that make it possible to eat the plastic, without admitting that's what the products are doing. read: their primary business model is selling snake oil, and promising that the next product will be better and solve all the problems of current product. just keep buying the new models as they come out.
No those were radicals doing that not people who worked for the top corporations.
the breakfast chairs were making it possible to eat the plastic. because all food was already mostly plastic.
the food was still organic, even if it had bits of microplastic. what was making the eating process difficult was the organic part, bodies were evolving already.
didn't you see the ending?
he doesn't, that's the next step, I'm sure. it's going to be a gradual process. some people will try to criminalize it (cop), some people will be content with eating bars because they need some sort of semblance with the past to make them feel normal (viggo), and for some people it will just be their nature (kid)
>still doesn't get it
the "organic" parts of the food is what viggo and others were having steadily increasing difficulty processing. "food," as produced by corporate entities, had become poison, and said corporations sold people additional products to "fix" the problem of being unable to eat poison.
most everyone had already become a plastic eater. corporate product was unnecessary and served no purpose but to maintain corporate profit.
>"food," as produced by corporate entities, had become poison,
When was this explained or shown?
I thought the problem was that there was industrial waste everywhere when did they say that the corps were intentionally making food with plastic, rather than just the underground movement illegally modifying people and making plastic into food?
>When was this explained or shown?
by the kid's dad.
He explained what I said that corporations were creating a lot of waste and had no way to deal with it, not that they were intentionally filling the food with industrial waste.
>when did they say that the corps were intentionally making food with plastic
its not that they were, its that they couldn't not. because its already in everything RIGHT NOW. in the movie, most people had already adapted to expect a certain percentage of their food to be plastic. so if corporations started selling plastic-free-food, it would've killed people, and they'd need to explain why. so instead, they made no effort to eliminate the plastic from food and, instead, sold additional products to make the undigestable portions of "food" (read: the parts that aren't plastic) pass through a person's system easier.
also holy frick you're dumb.
>if corporations started selling plastic-free-food, it would've killed people
No it wouldn't have.
>sold additional products to make the undigestable portions of "food" (read: the parts that aren't plastic)
No, only people genetically and surgically modified to digest plastic could digest plastic, the spy who tried to eat one of their plastic bars died immediately, you are completely inventing plot points.
the kid's dad talks about how he got in with the plastic eaters in hopes of solving his digestion problem. viggo has a steadily worsening digestion problem as the movie goes on. the chair is supposed to help with that. it doesn't. most people have a similar chair.
and yes, exclusively eating things you can't digest will eventually kill you.
>exclusively eating things you can't digest will eventually kill you.
Plastic is indigestible, not food.
"food" had become indigestible, plastic had become digestible.
No, if that were the case people wouldn't be having to surgically and genetically alter themselves to eat plastic. The implication was that there was plastic in food that made it indigestible, but that doesn't magically make plastic digestible.
or that the surgeries weren't necessary and people were steadily evolving to digest plastic, rather than food.
like viggo said, if you cut off a finger, your lack of figure isn't going to be passed to your son.
>people were steadily evolving to digest plastic,
No, they were getting sick due to all the plastics in food and needed surgery so that industrial waste making its way into their food was also a viable food.
are you capable of understanding that, sometimes, in movies, people are wrong? that what they say/believe is obviously false?
the kid being born with a completely different digestive system can't be related to one of his parents having a ton of surgeries. that's not how the human genome works. therefore his assumption as to how/why the kid had the organs must be false. but he believes it anyway, because he needs to believe his surgeries were necessary.
viggo eating the plastic and not dying proves he also didn't need any surgries to eat the plastic. which indicates everyone who needs a breakfast chair, is also able to eat the plastic without dying.
>one of his parents having a ton of surgeries. that's not how the human genome works.
It wasn't just surgery, they were being genetically altered.
Viggo was a very rare person who was being studied closely by the government due to his body spontaneously creating organs.
>they were being genetically altered.
no, they weren't. the conversation about the kid directly contradicts the idea genetic manipulation was occurring.
Then why did the kid's organs have serial numbers and tatoos?
Neo-vice had Timlin tattoo them so they would appear surgically altered so as to not reveal that he was naturally evolved. This was explicitly stated.
>Timlin
but why Timlin tattooed the organs with clichés, just exactly like Viggo joked at the beginning of the movie? was Caprice in the scam? since she was not surprised at all during the autopsy
Caprice was not in the scam, she was as shocked as everyone else. we only learn about Timlin's involvement when the cop admits it to Viggo.
>Capwice
directly stated by characters in the movie.
one new half-formed "random" organ isn't going to suddenly make plastic digestible.
>viggo eating the plastic and not dying proves he also didn't need any surgries to eat the plastic. which indicates everyone who needs a breakfast chair, is also able to eat the plastic without dying.
The plastic eaters needed surgery to convert their digestive systems to properly digest the plastic, they had to use the chairs before that. Viggo was able to digest the plastics because he hadn't removed any of the new organs he had growing inside of him, he had organically evolved into this the same way that the kid had.
>he hadn't removed any of the new organs he had growing inside of him
except for the fact he had removed all the new organs he had growing inside of him?
He stopped removing them in the back half of the film when he started to become a "believer."
You mean after he made a public spectacle of removing the last new organ he grew?
He was growing more organs throughout the film, this is implicitly and explicitly referenced in dialogue between him and Caprice more than once, pay attention when you watch films.
Make a movie that isn't equal parts boring and gross and maybe people will pay closer attention.
>gross
Found the gay / woman. Moviebwas fairly tame and certified kino.
he was growing and registering organs one at a time. his newest new organ wouldn't have been sufficiently developed to help him eat plastic. he already could eat plastic, he just didn't know it yet. he'd been told that eating the plastic will kill him, by both the people who sell the breakfast chairs and shit, and the people who practice "alternative medicine." because both groups are trying to sell something.
the reality is neither are needed, as proven by the kid.
He was growing an entire system of organs (again, something touched upon in the dialogue more than once) and when he allowed it to develop he was able to digest the plastic naturally. None of this is really at all ambiguous, the media literacy of some people on this board is shockingly terrible.
I don't think you know what media literacy is.
what actually happened in the movie, is he already could eat the plastic. tons of people can. no surgeries necessary. no products necessary. it had already happened. humanity had already evolved. the genie was already mostly out of the bottle. new vice was tasked with criminalizing this.
>he already could eat the plastic. tons of people can. no surgeries necessary.
At no point in the movie was any of this suggested, you jus grossly misunderstood the narrative. But at least you tried to understand, which puts you ahead of 80% of the posters in this cursed thread.
>At no point in the movie was any of this suggested
the kid having a digestive track that exclusively processed plastic does more than suggest this. the fact the dad had the same problems as viggo until he went for "alternative medicine" confirms this. the fact viggo doesn't need surgery to eat the plastic further confirms this.
The fact that the dad explicitly states that him and all the plastic eaters had to have elaborate surgery developed over many years by the different sects of his plastic eaters cult directly contradict this, as does the fact that he wanted to have his son's body publically cut open to reveal to the world that this had occurred naturally for the first time. Watch the movie again.
listen, the movie is structured as noir. every noir film has the main character navigate bullshit, red herrings, false leads, etc, trying to find the truth. the fact the kid's dad thinks somehow, magically, surgeries performed on just him, transferred to his son, but in a completely different fashion than his physiology, immediately and irrefutably contradicts the idea the alternative surgeries were having any effect.
The idea was that the surgeries were developed by the plastic eaters as an alternative to the breakfaster chair because their digestive systems had biologically deviated from the norm and technology was needed to bridge the gap. Lang's son's digestive system had simply evolved beyond the need for surgery. So had Tenser's, but he'd been rebelling against his own biology until he met Wippet and the plastic eaters.
or the breakfast chairs and "alternative surgeries" were doing the same thing, nothing, and the people who thought they needed either, didn't.
the differences between the son's digestive system and everyone else's proves the surgeries weren't transferred to the son, and aren't doing anything.
>the differences between the son's digestive system and everyone else's proves the surgeries weren't transferred to the son, and aren't doing anything.
no, they're just doing the same thing in a different way. if the surgeries were unnecessary, then the dad would have been able to eat plastic before the surgery, and to do that he would need to have had the same organs as the kid, which he obviously didn't have or they would have seen them when they opened him up for surgery.
both the surgeries and the chairs ARE doing something - they are, respectively, accelerating and suppressing change.
>if the surgeries were unnecessary, then the dad would have been able to eat plastic before the surgery
he'd have to risk death to test that hypothesis
it doesn't matter if he ever risked it, they would have noticed his digestive tract was different when they opened him up for surgery. it doesn't make sense that they'd treat the child like a miracle for having plastic-eating organs but not notice the same organs in themselves. there is a difference between them and the child, and the difference is that they need the surgery to enter their "lifestyle" and he doesn't.
can he perform the surgeries on himself? who's going to tell him he could already eat plastic? the corporations trying to turn eating plastic into a crime, or the people selling the plastic eating surgeries?
>the people selling the plastic eating surgeries?
that's not a thing. as per the movie's own exposition, "everyone's qualified to perform surgery these days," because of the lack of pain and infections, and people do it to each other on the street. the plastic-eating surgery is nobody's product, but a collaborative "guerilla" effort of the world-wide plastic-eating underground, with different cells having slightly different procedures they perform on their own members. it's not a for-profit enterprise and a bunch of radicals cutting each other up in basements are not running a planet-wide cover-up. i don't know why you insist on interpreting the movie ass-backwards.
i don't know why you're having so much trouble going deeper than surface level. the point is the people performing surgeries to enable the eating of plastic are either selling alternative medicine or they're doing it for ideological reasons. either way, the idea the surgeries are necessary is strongly counter-indicated by multiple characters.
when something is a noir-style investigation, contradictions in a person's story are more meaningful than the story the person is trying to tell. surgeries performed on a father don't transfer to his children. therefore the father's story/theory is contradicted, and it calls into question the veracity of any of his claims.
>surgeries performed on a father don't transfer to his children. therefore the father's story/theory is contradicted
that's not what the point of that scene is. the father never claimed the child inherited the results of a surgery, he calls the child a "miracle" and admits that he doesn't understand what happened there at all. he simply has FAITH in plastic eating and doesn't try to sell any particular "theory." it's viggo that produces this "lamarckian" interpretation, and then rejects it himself as nonsensical. this is not about the dad lying - he's not even the one talking about it - it's about viggo being conflicted and in denial about the changes happening to his own body, which he's afraid of and trying to suppress. he gets stuck on the "lamarckian" nonsense because he doesn't want to think about the possibility that the boy simply changed by himself, because humanity is changing. for the plastic eaters the boy is proof that their own hack-jobs will be in due time vindicated by "nature," whereas for viggo it's a startling suggestion that this fear viggo has of his own changing body is unfounded, and he doesn't want to give the fear up.
>going deeper than surface level
you're not going "deeper" except into bad fanfiction. you have this theory of "false surgery" where people who worship the eating of plastic are for some reason covering up the fact that plastic eating is already there so they can do more pointless surgeries, and none of the people that get the surgeries ever try eating a piece of plastic to check if they even need the surgery in the first place, and none of the amateur surgeons that participate in this highly decentralized movement ever break rank to tell the patient that, actually, they have the plastic-digesting organs already. why? they're ideologically committed to plastic eating, not to surgeries. surgeries not being necessary would vindicate their beliefs, they have no reason to cover that up. it's nonsense.
so your autism is showing, which indicates why you can't comprehend anything deeper than surface level analysis. anyway
didn't say the dad was lying, just that he was wrong. he's motivated to believe the surgeries helped him, because he has no evidence he could've eaten the plastic without them. he can't/won't go back to not eating plastic and he can't/won't undergo surgery to reverse whatever was done to him to test if he needed them, because his problem is solved. he just doesn't realize the solution didn't require surgery to eat plastic. there's a ton of crap in modern life that follows this pattern. walking heel-toe, for instance, causes tons of back/joint problems. the solution? well according to the company that makes product x, the solution is a steady supply of product x! when the actual solution is to change how you walk. but a capitalistic entity can't market that, so, therefore, no one suggests it. there's also the fact people want simple solutions to everything. my 600lb life is built around people who think a magic surgery is going to stop them from shoveling 30,000 calories into their face every day, and nowzardan's practice is built around getting them on a diet, and using the actually unnecessary surgery as a reward for following a goddamn diet. the ones who get the surgery and drop weight convince themselves it was the surgery that did it, rather than the fact they stopped shoveling truckloads of food into their face. not even menitoning trannies, the most obvious parallel.
but long and short here is you fell into the same trap as the characters. they performed surgeries on themselves therefore the surgeries did something.
none of the stuff you just wrote applies to the surgeries, only to the turbocorp healthochairs or whatever they're called. compare the language and imagery used with the beds/chairs to the one applied to the rogue surgeries, and you'll see the movie characterizes only the former as a corporate product. the surgeries are not a "product" of a "capitalistic entity" in the movie, they are a decentralized community effort stemming from an ideological desire to eat plastic. "uhh maybe they never tried eating plastic before the surgery because no corporation marketed it" - they already worship plastic eating out of their environmentalist ideological commitment! ("we've got to start feeding on our own industrial waste.") they don't need and ad to tell them to do it! of course they tried, and it didn't work, and then they developed the surgeries. this is amateur hacky shit that they only do because it works, video game modding but with your guts, there was no marketing campaign for it.
you're just so proud of knowing this one thing about market psychology that you're projecting it where it doesn't apply and refusing to notice you get nonsense results. the basic pattern does not match - it's not about people wanting a "magic" surgery to AVOID a inconvenient change in diet, the change in diet is their very specific DESIRE. they all WANT to just shove household objects into their mouth like their miracle child did ("he was everything we all wanted to be"). their situation is the opposite of what you're comparing it to.
>immediately and irrefutably contradicts the idea the alternative surgeries were having any effect.
no it doesn't, not at all. the dad was simply an "incomplete" plastic eater (already struggled with normal food but still needed surgery to eat plastic) and the kid was a "further evolved," full-blown plastic eater. there is a natural process of adaptation that the surgery people are trying to accelerate (with surgery) and viggo is trying to halt (also with surgery). the idea that the surgery people were cutting themselves open to bring about plastic eating without ever noticing that they already had plastic-digesting organs is preposterous. they know there is a difference between A. a normal digestive system, B. their own "hacked" plastic-digesting systems and C. the kid's beautiful, "natural" plastic-digesting system and they want the autopsy to happen so that the world can see C and understand what's happening to humanity.
can you think of another small but steadily growing subgroup that believes surgeries are necessary to bring their bodies in line with nature?
the entire point of the kid is that he's different, he's the next stage. it wouldn't be a big deal to perform an autopsy of the kid if random people on the street also had plastic-dissolving organs. normal people can't eat plastic yet, that's why the agent died, that's why the dad needed surgery.
the agent died because he was trying to infiltrate the plastic eaters without needing to be a plastic eater.
I'm sure the anon meant he stopped doing it. Viggo kept growing organs and removing them, using the live surgeries as performance art, but he kept having unsolvable digestive issues.
when he met the kid's father, as a New Vice spy, he wondered if the plastic bars smugglers might have a point and stopped doing the surgeries. then he tried them and found peace.
>found peace
because it killed him, right?
no, because he was eating without discomfort.
>viggo eating the plastic and not dying
how do we know that he didn't die... isn't that like literally the very end of the film and the final shot is the black and white close up of his face (which looks like he is potentially fricking dying)
you know he didn't die, because that's the entire point of the movie.
I thought the point was they lived in a world where people no longer have pain sensation and so this dude whose body is growing random new organs is able to easily make a public showing of having these organ surgically removed, not that he could eat bars of plastic which had previously been shown to kill regular Joes who haven't had the special plastic-eater surgery
he was cooming
1) The chair stops moving when he eats it, indicating he's free of pain
2) If the plastic was toxic to him, he'd be writhing in pain and choking like the guy in the beginning who eats a plastic bar and dies
>When was this explained or shown?
it's a very reasonable presumption, it's already happening to us now, they are finding microplastics everywhere, in our blood, in the water, in animal organs, everywhere.
the film hits home, because the concerns are legitimate: nature will have forcibly to adapt to what we are doing, and who knows how TPTB will react? Don't Look Up touches the same subject: powerful people reacting irrationally to natural events.
Just engineer a microorganism that converts plastic to sugar. Problem Solved.
maybe they tried that already, maybe that's what the chairs and beds were about. it wasn't working.
>the solution to corporate product being worse than useless is another corporate product
that's one of the things the movie criticizes. corporations have no incentive to actually solve problems. they're incentivized to create and sell things that create more problems so the solution to those problems can also be sold.
The other day I asked a friend if he was interested in seeing Crimes Of The Future and he swiftly said 'no'. Later, the same day, I asked him about his opinion on microplastics and metalloids in the bloodstream and he said 'I've never heard of that'.
For normies, the films surface-level implications appear to be esoteric. Quite literally a Chad movie I guess.
their plastic digestion system was constructed artificially via surgery, perhaps they needed their plastic processed in some way. but the kid as a natural plastic eater just eats random trash and that's the end goal.
Not just surgical, it was genetic alterations.
The only processing needed was turned industrial waste into a small bar of plastic that can be carried around and eaten at your convenience instead of a large functional trash can that would not travel well and be ruined in the process of eating it so that you would just have to produce more trash cans.
it's ideological, they see the world is fricked and the only way to move forward is to adapt and start eating toxic waste, at least until the natural process of evolution catches up.
it's like environmentalists today going vegan, except meat consumption has become so detrimental to the world, they are fully expecting evolution to eventually turn us into herbivores.
>they see the world is fricked and the only way to move forward is to adapt and start eating toxic waste
Yet they weren't going around just eating whatever toxic waste they found laying around on the ground, they were collecting it, sending it some central hub, converting it into single edible units, and then distributing those units amongst themselves to be stored and eaten.
>duh plastic wuz in rapper dat mean it need huuuuuge supply chain
>Hurr durr they don't need to create a supply chain, its just the only way they could be efficient and sustainable.
they have surgically altered themselves to eat plastic. they have the right idea, but they are still stuck in the past: use of surgery, mass production are all ideas from the past that look like good ideas to them.
look at the kid, he just eats whatever is lying around, he's the future. Viggo is somewhere in between: doesn't need surgery, but goes for the mass produced plastic bars as a solution.
he tries the plastic bar because its there. the fact he can eat it means he doesn't need plastic to made into bars.
>look at the kid, he just eats whatever is lying around
Yes and he got killed for violating the NAP and destroying functional plastic items instead of eating plastic waste that was specifically intended to be eaten.
everyone had a different perspective about the kid and about what was happening to the world. the mother thought he was a monstrosity and would gladly go to prison for doing her duty of ending it.
Kristen Stewart saw a long ago dormant sexual desire being awaken by Viggo's peculiar nature. she recognizes making babies with him is her best option of having healthy adapted-to-the-new-world descendants.
the professor view everything as art
>the "organic" parts of the food is what viggo and others were having steadily increasing difficulty processing.
that's what I said. we're saying the same thing. no point in discussing what comes first: the chicken or the egg, we won't get anywhere.
you explained the movie to someone who's been trying to explain the movie to another moron all thread.
Bug eaters are herbivores.
and eating plastic bars instead of just eating trash cans and raw waste
>> Why watch movies if you just make your own?
>>why drink with friends at the park when you can go to a bar
The plastic bars represent the industry of things trying to control human social evolution; represented though literal physical evolution
What do you think vegetable oil is
Something that makes corporations a lot of money.
>Ever heard that story of a banana in an art museum and people thinking it was a piece of art and looking at it with awe?
judging by the last couple of threads about this movie, it generates discussion at a way better level than this place normally sees. if the movie is actually a piece of garbage people only MISTOOK for something interesting and meaningful then i hope there are more mistakes like it.
The body horror in this was bland though.
because cronenberg hates how some random journalist locked him into a specific "genre." its why he made all those shitty movies between eXistenZ and crimes, because he desperately wanted to get away from "body horror"
Cosmopolis and Maps To The Stars are far from shitty. Some of his best work, in fact.
Just admit that you're too stupid to understand it and move on anon
More like didn't care enough to try and understand. Willing to see why you like it though unless you're too stupid to articulate your thoughts.
>>didn't care enough to try and understand
>but guys I wasn’t even trying…
It’s ok anon, we were all young once, but you not understanding something doesn’t mean other people are pretending, you just don’t get it yet - just ask what first comes to mind
What was hard to understand?
You mean like why the kids organs were already all tattooed? Feel free to explain it if you have such a brilliant take.
That was actually explained in the movie clearly I think, "neo-vice" got to the body first and Kirsten Stewarts character preformed the surgery, she removed his natural organs and replaced them with old organs.
Wait, you didn't get that??? A very basic plot point. Just watch the whole film over again, an explanation on here won't suffice.
Its pretty clear you didn't get it which is why I asked because it is somewhat nuanced, but feel free to keep pretending like you got it.
Timlin actually works for neo-vice. Timlin intervenes in Saul's reveal by taking all of Breckens new organs, she replaces his new organs with tattooed ones to hide the proof. I can't believe it typed this out, you are so dumb hahahaha.
How can you be expected to understand the lot of a film when you don't even know what the word "nuanced" means?
Context.
Imagine believing that walk outs happened at all
>walking out
What is with Cannes and people walking out. Happens to almost every movie. Probably some people just going to take a shit. Or are the kind of people who go to such festivals there's something wrong with them?
some people go in already planning to walk out because there's another session starting they want to see.
it happens in every film festival, doesn't mean anything. just some people that want to "watch" as many as possible even if they end up not watching half of them.
Filtered pleb. Literally out your phone down and pay attention.
Sounds like someone needs his breakfaster calibrated.
your first cronenberg movie?
Stick with capeshit please, this is big-boy kino.
>Did I get filtered?
Incredibly hard
The star power is because of David Cronenberg, he's still considered a legendary director in hollywood and I'm sure all the people were happy to work with him.
As to why the movie doesn't work I think it's because he was really trying to recapture the "body horror" magic that made him famous in the first place, but he didn't have the proper budget to pull it of, maybe he was just tired and the whole thing was a bad idea from the start.
Recently watched "Cosmopolis" which is a weird unsettling Cronenberg movie but without silly / dated body horror props.
>he was really trying to recapture the "body horror" magic
Lol did you even watch the movie or just read clickbait articles?
considered a legendary director in hollywood
>>Body horror
He’s not really that well known, although he is one of my favorites, he is mostly lauded by film enthusiasts that know him for more than the body horror elements he uses in his movies as a vehicle for his social criticism, ignore mainstream critics on his stuff (or at all if you haven’t yet), they cater to housewife levels of knowledge and analysis
What a terrible film. it's disgusting too and wouldn't you know it Cinemaphile all seem to love it because it's so edgy or something.
There is nothing you will gain from watching this film.
who wants to watch a film that consists of surgery all the time? What a stupid concept. To think I read a thread before about it and people were so glad they went to watch it in the cinema lel. Surgery on the big screen, weird.
T. Didn't watch the movie
It's not edgy it all, it's tender.
Consider that these people did in fact watch the movie, and are simply extremely stupid and bad at understanding both art and narrative.
such people claiming to have watched the movie is akin to people thinking looking at a book for a few hours means they read it.
Nah it’s Cell Block 8 all over again
moron shit for morons who say it’s “based” etc because it’s violent.
So edgy bruh
What a waste of fricking time
It’s not even that violent you giant pussy
Lmao comparing Zahler to Cronenberg. Of course you didn't understand COTF.
Cronenberg used to make really interesting absurd/body horror stuff, Videodrome, Scanners, Rabid, etc.
His last good movie in this vein was Existenz, like so many other old directors his brain has turned to mush.
what a stupid frickinf flick
you got filtered. it really is the kino of the year, and the best Cronenberg in existence.
thought-provoking, creepy atmosphere, great world building, crystal clear message, amazing performances for peculiar characters and not overly long.
It is not even Cronenberg's best Crimes of the Future movie.
He hasn't made anything watchable since Videodrome.
Dead Ringers came after Videodrome and is his best movie you homosexual
Nah, that was boring. Nearly as bad as Spider.
What an embarrassing take
I'm sorry you're such a child.
>sorry you're such a child.
>favorite DC is Videodrome
Seething
You simply don't understand muh Cronenberg.
Your the moron that doesn't like Dead Ringers, speak for yourself
You simply don't understand what Cronenberg stands for.
I'm sorry, friend, but you simply cannot comprehend.
He doesn't understand words. Poor chap.
>is Viggo that desperate for money?
Viggo has worked with Cronenberg for two decades.
I'm sure he was paid handsomely, but sometimes you just do things because the guy who is asking happens to be your buddy.
Gore was non existent. I bet the walk outs happened when they zoomed in on a dead ten year olds penis for five minutes
Movie sucked. Worst part is the wife was supposed to be played by Natalie Hershlag so we missed some potential israelite breasts
she probably only signed on because she was hoping to negotiate her way into doing the movie without nudity.
>I bet the walk outs happened when they zoomed in on a dead ten year olds penis for five minutes
the camera didn't zoom in, that was your head instinctively craning towards kiddy penis
>Did I get filtered?
If you don't think this movies based you got filtered hard.
i watched for kstew and enjoyed it enough to not have considered it a waste of time as she was super kawaii in this kino
dont remember the plot very much at all tho
Out fricking skilled
Wow, a lot of cope and seethe ITT from people that didn't get this
It wasn't weird enough.
interesting script ruined by lack of budget, ugly digital cinematography, laughable CGI and insufferable ESL actors. reminded me of argento's new film: all the components of the director's best works are there but they no longer come together into anything enjoyable because the market and filmmaking technology has changed too much and the director simply is no longer at the top of his game.
yeah there is something weird where many directors, even if they still have the same eye, the same creative process etc, they were just better back then because their mindset worked better with the tech and limitations of the time
like did john carpenter actually get way worse or was a he just unable to keep up and was more comfortable in his time? those are definitely two different things to me
john carpenter got worse because when the minimum necessary skill levels started dropping, the average skill level fell as well.
John Carpenter never actually got worse, you just got filtered.
i fricking dare you to watch ghosts of mars
Ghosts of Mars is awesome actually, sorry you got filtered by sci-fi-horror-western kino
this is peak contrarianism
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no, ghosts of mars is fricking fun. vampires even moreso. I draw the line at the ward though.
>i like moobee cuz i liek et
No henstridge tiddies though
Carpenter's only bad flicks are The Ward and Memoirs of an Invisible Man. Pro-Life if you count TV.
oh yeah that misunderstood masterpiece "ghosts of mars." frick off.
Lol you carpenter gays are in total denial of reality. Go watch the thing for the 1000th time.
sometimes the decline is also due to valuable creative partners no longer contributing. the quality of argento's films plummeted after his relationship whith daria niccolodi fell apart. cronenberg lost both his wife and his sister (who worked on most of his films) in recent years. might be a factor.
yup, you got filtered
was there supposed to be a parallel between the organs that Viggo's body is growing and all the weird technology/devices that people have to rely on?
I mean frick in the opening, when Viggo is laying and hooked up in that weird fricking bed abomination, it literally looks like it's fricking part of him like they were grown into each other or some shit
>was there supposed to be a parallel between the organs that Viggo's body is growing and all the weird technology/devices that people have to rely on?
no. they're just supposed to solve the same problem. Viggo's news organs are nature's answer (they just don't know it yet).
beds and breakfast chairs are the corporations/rulers answer.
guess who won in the end.
the corporoonis?
evolution doesn't work like that
like what?
so at the end, he ate the plastic so he would died and be at peace and free of all those hellish contraptions in that nightmare world, right?
no, he eats the plastic, stops trying to rebel against his biology, and for the first time in possibly his entire life, isn't in pain.
that statement doesn't make sense though cus they already live in a world where people no longer feel pain
>character is clearly in pain
>no this is impossible because this corporate product says he can't be in pain
the dude regularly gets cut open in public like it's nothing so he can have shit ripped out of his body... pretty sure he doesn't feel any pain
>just because the patient is showing signs of x, doesn't mean he's actually x'd, its pseudo-x, because according to the marketing for product y, y makes x impossible
when has this happened recently?
he does feel pain when eating and sleeping. he talks about it all the time and that's what the bed/chair is for. watch the movie again.
where are all the cars?
if they can live in a world where the body can just pop in a new organ so you can eat plastic, then naturally it could also just pop in a new organ so you can breathe fricking car exhaust
a corporation can't sell people their own organs. the main thesis of the movie is only whats possible to market is what exists in the future.
No. Fuk U. I am spaghetti
plastic-eaters aren't fricking human
you know what that means
that age of consent laws don't apply to them? you're reading my mind buddy
>morons filtered by entry level cronenberg
unironically what the frick happened to this board?
its summer, /film/ killed any interest in discussing anything, as all generals always do, and the rest of the board is just non-stop shilling. only morons or the mentally ill would stay here.
It was ahead of its time.
I thought it the movie was good but wish the world was built out a little more. For the most part it just takes place at their house, the performance space, and the organ registry.
Also whats with Viggos weird outfit and why was every building filthy?
in a world where infections don't exist, what's really the point of having pristine places? eventually people won't feel disgust anymore, anyone claiming feeling it will come of as weird or fake.
drug addicts (read: everyone in the future) don't give a shit about cleanliness because crack feels better than cleaning up.
Viggo has always been a pseud hack.
Super boring movie. I'm not usually one to dislike the more abstract movies whether that be visually or in the writing, or both, but this was truly just a geriatric fricking movie. Not enough intrigue or politics or worldbuilding to make the "grounded" side of things interesting and not enough weird Cronenberg shit to make the other side of things interesting. Just a series of non-sequitur like scenes that are all varying levels of snorefest; one entirely unneeded, clearly israelite demanded scene of a dead kid with his dick out; and overall a lack of real purpose or moral. Yes like with any shit movie that chases its own tail you can squeeze some blood out of it and try to find meaning but at the end of the day this was a sad, lost attempt at coming back after ExistenZ.
The only good part was of course the cast. Viggo was pretty good and Kristin Stewart and him in that one rapey school counselor-esque scene was probably the best part even though the tension and awkwardness of it was almost entirely contrived. Just a strange movie - and not in the "WHOAAA IT WAS SO MINDBLOWING" strange kinda way - just in the "where were they going with this and what were they thinking or trying to accomplish" kinda way. Fart huffer shit for a crowd that otherwise just wants to see disgusting practical effects.
My recommendation by the way to not just shit on the movie is to instead check out Possessor if you haven't already by his son. It's pretty good.
>evolution is insurrecional
>implying eating plastic is evolution
it's more like evolution sabotage, turning humans into something unnatural
If it happens and stays and maintains, it works, that’s evolution; unnatural is a perspective although it may not seem like it - a point of the movie is that it’s happening so fast the past and future are colliding where the corporations and private interest groups want to maintain control on the direction of evolution for themselves - and Viggo accepts the plastic future in the end for philosophical reasons although it’s perverted to him
OP probably typing this while characters are talking.
>WAS I LE FILTERED!?
>Wtf is going on
it is indeed the worst piece of crap you have ever seen, Viggo is desperate for money and you did get filtered, you filthy pleb
I'm just kind of bummed the story really didn't go anywhere and seemed to end right when stuff was getting interesting.
Had sex while watching it, bud was able to pay enough attention, then i rewatch if i missed something, the movie end way to early and feels unfinished, it would have been better if they focused on the plot point of him letting the new organs stay inside and then everything going fricking wrong with his body resulting in some good body horor movie with great ideas instead of a interesting unfinished movie people with lame ending
Sorry for the grammer, had sex while writting it
Croenberg fell off a while ago
It’s post-cyberpunk
You know how in a lot of cyberpunk the technology is always getting to close to taking over humanity - in this the tech and humanity have been one in the same for a while, I really expect better new things to spawn from this although it will suffer as truly counter culture for a while as a cult classic everybody will lie as having loved it when it came out