I’m not here to start a fight. I don’t want vitriol, I just want a clean and simple debate to answer my burning question.
could a One Piece Haki user harm or kill Doctor Manhattan?
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Depends on the writer.
No
I could, yes.
Probably the same likelyhood of Eraserhead's quirk working on him.
You're trying to start something.
You know well that he can't be killed by any physical means, given that he was ripped apart by the atoms and just put himself back together.
Eraserhead?
Honestly I’m not trying to start anything. I woke up this morning realizing that Haki always hits the substance body even if the user is made of sand, and I needed answers
Let’s please keep this civil
The magic bullshit powers might hurt him if he feels pain, but he can also phase, teleport, disintegrate, etc. He's practically meant to be the most powerful being in his story, except his character keeps him pretty much inert.
Than what is a Haki? Can it only affect spiritual energy?
Dont forget how his mind seems to exist in a 4th dimension. So that Haki user need power that can destroy a thought on another plane.
>Than what is a Haki?
Armament haki is a metaphysical manifestation of willpower honed through practice like a martial art. It allows you to not only apply your willpower to increase or decrease the physical damage your body deals/takes, it specifically allows you to apply harm to things that would normally be immune to physical harm.
It’s not explained exactly what happened to Manhattan’s consciousness after the accident, but it doesn’t exist in his body. His body is just a construct he built from stray quarks, to atoms, to a nervous system, to a template of a human, in the same way that he built his glass monolith on Mars. His consciousness existed before he built a body, and he had to teach himself to make one by trial and error. When it was destroyed into nothingness his consciousness still existed, scattered somewhere in the universe. Perhaps everywhere in it. Scattered throughout time as well. He can make multiple of them, and grow the body to giant sizes or tiny sizes. He can disassemble it and reassemble it on different planets, or on the surface of the sun. He can make it intangible or tangible, glow or darken, etcetera.
Point being there’s no real substance to hit, because his body is just a collection of carbon atoms some greater consciousness is using as a puppet to talk to the humans.
Good point. I still hope that OP cares to explain a little bit what a Haki is. I dont watch One Piece episode.
Honestly I don’t fully get Haki but the way I see it, Haki is an embodiment of Will given form that directly targets the soul
As such I personally think it’s possible to kill Manhattan with enough Haki, but the average blow would probably just destroy one of his bodies and cause his regeneration to lag
In other words I think Haki can cause Doctor Manhattan to feel true pain but not harm
That sounds incorrect, but I haven't read One Piece in years.
It might cause him harm. But Dr. Manhattan seems to be a mind rather than the soul. Otherwise he wouldnt be so distant and cold. Something you dont associate with souls.
Than a 4th dimension could mean he will always come back.
Can haki even touch metaphysical concepts? John has basically become a transcended being, it's like saying that you want to defeat a super AI that lives on the internet by punching one of the robotic bodies it controls.
Dr Manhattan never works in the context of deathbattle homosexualry unless you contrive something to put him on the physical plane. It's why all the Doomsday Clock bullshit is moronic. If anything, the only characters that would be a match for him are characters with nonconventional concepts themselves, like Mxyzptlk. Haki is just another form of power level homosexualry in the DBZ sense ("my autism outwills your resolve hence my blackened sword can pierce your armour" type of bullshit)
Thats a good post. Indeed Manhattan doesnt work when you go by physical battles. When it all comes down to punch the other one.
>Can haki even touch metaphysical concepts?
Haki can literally punch light and darkness in the face, and those are cannon examples.
Rorschach, Comedian, and Ozymandias all have a form of Haoshoku Haki.
Dr. Manhattan has a specific Kenbunshoku Haki, that allows him to experience time differently. If this is the case, then you could say his blue body is a complex construct via Busoshoku Haki.
Rorschach possibly has a little Busoshoku Haki, since he's a starving manlet that manages to take out even large opponents.
>it turns him back into regular John
kek
>Erasure has zero effect on any strength or abilities that don't originate from Quirks.
No, his haki is stronger
No, he showed us he is undestroyable.
Uncle Grandpa could defeat him by teaching him how to stop being a whiny b***h
Damn. OP lost interest quick.
Yeah. And many anons tried to help him. If he wanted (you)s he could have milked more.
So what did OP want?
wiener
Blue wiener?
I wanted a discussion but I had to get to a thing so I couldn’t be here for a while
Truth be told I thought this thread would die in an hour and I just wanted minor discussion, nothing more
My question is also pretty much answered. Manhattan is scattered so even if Haki hurts him he will eventually bounce back
Ok, problem solved! Well done anons!
They're from two different fictional universes and genres, does it matter? These types of "thought" experiments just make you moronic the more you focus on them.
Dr. Manhattan can reconstruct himself from absolutely nothing. Even if he could be annihilated by haki because someone could land true blows on him, it might not be enough to kill him for any longer than a few minutes. More importantly, he can move at Lightspeed, multiply himself, and fully observe the future in the absence of rare tachyon events. Could you kill borsalino with haki? Oda still hasn't addressed the power scaling that comes with a Lightspeed character, so it's still on the fence whether anyone in the one piece universe could keep up with Manhattan.
>Could you kill borsalino with haki?
If it works on people made of gas or fire, no reason it shouldn't work on someone made of light
Dr. Manahttan isnt made of light. When he is disintegrated by Ozy you can see he is made of moleculs.
If he was just a light body, he wouldnt have bones underneath.
Luffy could avoid lightspeed attacks since the timeskip. There have been characters that can keep up with Kizaru since literally chapter 1.
Leave Dr. Manhattan to me.
My dad could kick his ass, check mate atheists
Yes. He is a collection of atoms held together by a disembodies consciousness sustained not by the body's organic functions but by his will to live. Haki not only lets you physically attack things with an incorporeal nature, but it lets you directly damage their will live.
>but it lets you directly damage their will live
I don't remember that.
Haki lets you apply physical force to battles of will. It is made up of the will, ambition, and determination of living beings to exist, grow, and move forward and allows you to physically damage the same in others.
But how would it affect the will to live? Will taking a punch imbued with Haki make someone suicidal? Any examples?
It directly damages their will to ffight, be it to fight their opponent, or fight for their life.
Sounds like you're making it up.
Sounds more like a depression effect.
Yes its can. But the real question is if his powers work on atom under the effect of haki, because that's really what would decide the fight.
Depends on whether you care for Doomsday Clock
Even if they used the same magic system this would give him control over the effects of some devil fruits at most. Haki is specifically cultivated from will and ambition of the user, not preexisting natural law, things Manhattan has not only never shown any control over, but historically has a very bad understanding of.
>things Manhattan has not only never shown any control over, but historically has a very bad understanding of.
He willed himself back to life.
>not preexisting natural law
Magic is the very last thing that should be explainable by any natural law and should've entirely been outside his wheelhouse, but he manages to grasp that. The GL rings, powered by will mean little to him too
That said all of this is horrible writing and none of it is canon so who cares?
Green lantern rings turn willpower into light. Something well within his wheelhouse of control
>power of "creation"
>not magic
>"OH MY SCIENCE!!!"
who the frick wrote this trash
Cinemaphile favorite Geoff Johns
Yes.