I'm so glad I got around to finally watching the original Macross even though I have no interest in jet fighters.
rough start, but I love the unique story of humans and aliens understanding each other by learning about each other. The whole thing about aliens rebelling against their own to join the Macross because of music and "weird" feelings was fantastic story-telling.
I hate Minmey and her cousin so much though.
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Rewatched it earlier this year after first watching it some 10 years ago. Actually surprised me that it was way way worse than I remember it ever being
>rough start
Not really.
If anything the start is the best part of the show
If anything I feel that the middle-end is more so where it dragged out. I binged this shit and ended up parsing out the "arcs"
>ep1-14
>ep14-27
>ep27-36
is this more so accurate?
I tend to split it up into numerous different arcs
>Earth and Macross (1-5)
>Military (6-13)
>Love Triangles (14-20)
>Back to Space/Love Drifts Away (21-27)
>Two Years After (28-36)
The first 13 episodes are really good; then it grinds to a goddamn halt once Kaifun gets introduced and there’s two clip shows and constant dead air minus Roy’s Death. Then it gets really good again when they’re told to frick off of Earth. Then there’s the epilogue arc which is absolutely hideously bad
>Quality took an instant nose dive the moment that gay was introduced
I knew it from the start while watching it, but it's good to see the like-minded thinking. Usually never post about macross here so I'm assuming everything regarding him is terrible bait. Also still a concerning amount of people acting like the ending wasn't half-baked
>Usually never post about macross here
It shows.
Seethe
Two sides of a coin, everyone's got their tastes
The ending? You mean the epilogue? You know the epilogue was added mid-production right? The series was planned to end at episode 27 but was so successful the broadcasters ordered more episodes.
Yeah you can tell because it’s horrible
Kaifun is actually the best character. He's great at martial arts and is a talented actor.
Guy who hate the military for the sake of hating the military?
Basara?
Yeah IDK why people pretend to like M7.
watching M7 right now (at ep 16) the entirety of the "conflict" going on right now could literally be solved in 10 minutes of meaningful dialogue outside the gimmick banter and reused tropes in each episode. It's off and on boring, leaving me wondering how tf they stretched this out to 49 episodes (besides the eventual edition of le greater evils for plot forwarding I assume). At least Mylene is cute from time to time, The music is sick as frick though, I've been jamming to it even if the band hasn't changed their frickin set list since ep1. Simply watching through it for the sake of continuity so I know the timeline and can eventually figure out what happened to the OG cast since most of them got lost out in space, retired or died.
Stern, mature, collected, and reserved woman who hadn't had TLC since Fruhling, wouldn't be surprised her taste in men became "questionable" after years of no one demonstrating acts of deeper compassion or care lol
M7 is a relatively formulaic show and never transforms into one with an especially strong narrative but at 16 you're at least past the worst of it where the formula is most limited and the setlist almost non-existent
The worst is the show itself. If you don't like it at 16 don't subject yourself to 33 more episodes. Dislike will turn into sheer hate.
M7 pick up at episode 17, but most of the meaningful explanations only happen in the last third/quarter.
and it was done on a relatively low budget.
Funny enough, M7 takes off right around that episode, and it doesn't let up until the very end.
Him too to a degree, but I meant Kaifun.
Basara isn't nearly as much of a b***h about as Kaifun. He gets mad when the military tries to make him their poster boy or when they just try to use his music as a weapon of war, but is never hostile towards Gamlin or other military characters just because they are military.
SDF Macross may not be an objective masterpiece unlike its film adaptation, but it's still a kino space opera.
People get filtered by the epilogue arc when it's secretly the best part of the series
I just finished it myself a day or two ago. Even though I'm rather indifferent to classic tropes, the production, music and story hit me pretty well. Still, after the anime and DYRL, Minmei's songs are still stuck in my head. Her character could've been portrayed better imo, especially when she finally realized her mistakes as well as accepting her role in the bigger picture, but I still feel for her during the most precious moments
Besides some lesser known shit and normalgay anime, this was my first introduction to mech/jet fighters after all this time, it encapsulated me fairly well. They labored a huge point of how influential music was with the amount of cues and scenes, I myself have got a list of favorites including MBP
(eyes watered to this classic)
>kino
Frick off tourist.
Keep on spergin', anon. One day, Hiroshimoot will be so impressed with your dedication that he'll make you a janny.
Filtered.
>People get filtered by the epilogue arc when it's secretly the best part of the series
This. The last half elevated the series for me.
>objective masterpiece unlike its film adaptation
really? sure dyrl is beautiful and exciting but the characterization and story, the strongest parts of the tv series for me, suffer immensely from being compressed into feature length.
That's what he's saying, that the series is a masterpiece and the movie is not.
>People get filtered by the epilogue arc when it's secretly the best part of the series
Misa a best, even with her questionable taste in men.
>when it's secretly the best part of the series
This.
Giant fork cage and valkyrie lighter won me over hard.
>even with her questionable taste in men.
She can unironically fix him
Should I watch the marcoss series or the cut down movie version
Watch both. They each have elements unique to them that should be watched if you want the full experience
The movies are for people who watched the TV series. Skipping the TV series and only watching the movies is like skipping dinner & going straight to desserts. You'll just feel stupid in the end.
>like skipping dinner & going straight to desserts. You'll just feel stupid in the end.
No I don't.
Should I watch the entire series of marcoss 7 or the cut down movie version
the show has a very unique atmosphere, also the stretch of episodes where they get kicked off of earth is really really strong
the scene with this song is one i'll remember forever
every time I heard it was during the most lovely scenes in the show
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>bring immigrants to new place
>they frick it up
what did kawamori mean by this
Different cultures can be incompatible. Its common sense, you cannot expect group x to mesh with group y.
Perhaps the best part of the show is the friends we made along the way.
i hate all the main characters in SDFM honestly
Did they ever release the pictures of the ending (Runner) in an artbook or calendar or any kind of high-quality printing? Or we only have them in the creditless ending and that's it?
>I'm so glad I got around to finally watching the original Macross even though I have no interest in jet fighters.
Why don't you like the jet fighters? I myself have no idea why people are so invested in the human drama of any mecha media, I'm only interested in mecha action myself.
Not that anon, but, they are human piloted mecha, and the plot is about the humans.
But yeah, watching mecha shows if one does not like mecha is a bit weird.
I love robots, but not jet fighters.
Even the robot form of these jets are ugly though but I don't regret watching the show
>Even the robot form of these jets are ugly
They're some of the sexiest mecha of all time, but you do you.
>Even the robot form of these jets are ugly
I never realized there could be someone on this world with such poor taste in things.
SDFM is great.
It's also, to be perfectly honest, an absolute shitpost of a show, equal parts slapstick and dramatic, from off model knife duel frickfights to the surface of the Earth being glassed in such lovingly rendered detail.
its the Sopranos of the Mecha genre
Just give us The Rain Of Death filmed.
We may live it.
I know most of the anons in this thread are probably baiting but you can never be too sure. That being said, the epilogue arc is one of the worst stretches of television I’ve ever sat through. It’s so mind numbingly aggravating and pointless that it retroactively sullies the rest of the show somewhat. Everything was wrapped up by 27. Hikaru has gone through his arc, he’s matured and stopped chasing Minmay and he’s moved on with his life. Misa has realised she loves him and the two have a future together. Earth may have been decimated but there’s a glimmer of hope because things can be rebuilt. Boddole’s fleet has been destroyed and he’s dead and the rest of the Zentradi are working together with humanity now. Quamzin has fricked off, there’s no major threat anymore. It’s done and dusted. But then they spend another 9 episodes basically undoing all that for shitty drama as Hikaru goes back to being an indecisive mongoloid and the whole love triangle just gets done again while barely anything interesting happens. At least the final episode is excellent and Kaifun finally fricks off to presumably die of liver failure, god willing
This is bait btw.
Damn, you got me
The final arc and episode make for basically the same result, only emphasized in bittersweetness after an unnecessary back and forth between the love triangle during one final battle (unnecessary no matter how cute Misa was acting) . We heard Minmay's last song to Hikaru fading away (with a beautiful piano rendition that I have yet to find). According to
, it was slapped on last minute, which would explain a a lot. I mean, just look at picrel, next to no reason as to why they couldn't had just ended on this scene with an *single* epilogue episode set 2 years later at most
I'm taking you guy's word for it. If the thread stays up I might even come back with some thoughts
(me)
>music became an aphrodisiac
wtf am I watching now?
>
The final arc and episode make for basically the same result, only emphasized in bittersweetness after an unnecessary back and forth between the love triangle during one final battle (unnecessary no matter how cute Misa was acting) . We heard Minmay's last song to Hikaru fading away (with a beautiful piano rendition that I have yet to find). According to [...], it was slapped on last minute, which would explain a a lot. I mean, just look at picrel, next to no reason as to why they couldn't had just ended on this scene with an *single* epilogue episode set 2 years later at most
[...]
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I'm taking you guy's word for it. If the thread stays up I might even come back with some thoughts
>
and it was done on a relatively low budget.
>
became an aphrodisiac
>wtf am I watching now?
Awesomeness.
ep 17 also introduced best girl.
Pure, unadultered crap. I warn you. I did the mistake of listening those who said "I swear it becomes awesome Anon". M7 is one of the series I completed that I regret the most in my whole life.
I love Minmay
Misamay.
>this is what Hikaru wakes up to every day on the SDF-2 Megaroad
just started watching delta as my first macross
shit frickin owns so far. fighter jets rule
Love the smug Misa Vs dejected Minmei
There is something incredibly hot about smug Misa.
Even with crude 80s animation, her expressions in general were alluring with her dialogue
Part of the reason for Macross shrinking and expanding episode counts (there's outlines for a longer series in Perfect Memory if I recall) was due to its number of production issues and plain bad luck. Ishiguro had to wrangle a young staff of 20-something anime nerds (the first wave of fans turned animators) who had a lot of talent but didn't always follow good advice. Tatsunoko came in as a co-producer when Big West's original partner (some company called Wiz) folded. They were set to air alongside the anime version of the old Tokusatsu series, Rainbowman, but that show hit its own problems and forced Macross to air its first two episodes as a 1 hour special, which put the whole thing behind from the start. You can see the announcement for Macross at the end of this video. Ironically the Rainbowman anime was never released on home video and a lot of episodes have yet to resurface.
Producers went back and forth many times. It was going to be 42 episodes IIRC, then only around 26, then they said "frick, the ratings are a lot higher than expected, gimme 10 episodes more" and all of these changes WHILE they were producing the series.
Also the young staff of 20-something anime nerds weren't the problem. In fact all the parts animated by Studio Nue look extraordinary by 80s standards. The problem, as usual, was the parts outsourced to shit companies, which happened a lot more than usual due to the constant changes in planning.
>Also the young staff of 20-something anime nerds weren't the problem.
They were part of the problem. Back on the commentary track from the Animeigo set, Ishiguro talked about the time Itano stole the sequence he was working on and disappeared to finish it because he didn't like how it was written. Itano objected to Max destroying one of those big recon ships with a single laser (the same kind Hikaru shot down with his armored Valkyrie) so he added all these extras missiles and redid the sequence. Mikimoto even fought with Itano over Minmay's panties being shown while she's falling in episode 2.
So Itano was great since he was very young.
>redo the sequence
>but slap all the missiles on the vertical stabilizers
You ever wonder if Itano huffed paint thinners for inspiration when nobody was looking?
It's space. That's just a pylon at this point.
Look I'm just saying it's in a league of stupid all on its own.
Mind you, if it's Itano's doing it's also totally in character for the man who once strapped fireworks to his own bike just to see what it'd look like, of fricking course slapping missiles onto an aerospace combat plane would be the next logical step. Itano is legitimately one of the most batshit insane people in the industry.
>Look I'm just saying it's in a league of stupid all on its own.
Oh no god forbid the show does something fun.
He was trying to keep some consistency with the amount of firepower required for destroying one of these.
OK, let me rephrase it because maybe I'm getting the wrong point across:
Slapping a missile onto any random surface and expecting it to work like it normally does... doesn't work. It would be like gluing a USB drive to the power strip that you have your computer plugged into, and expecting to be able to access the drive. I get that hindsight is 20/20, but the obvious solution to adding more firepower here is that the UUM7 should've debuted in this episode of the TV series, just four boxes under the wings shitting out a ridiculous number of micro missiles.
Overtechnology wifi and magnets, my friend. The box launchers would've definitely been a more sensible idea.
There was also the fact that the actual production was a complete clusterfrick. Outside of the general plot and tone of the show changing basically on a dime (it was meant to be a comedy series at first which parodied the mecha genre/Yamato before they decided to play it straight if I recall correctly), actually getting the episodes finished was a whole other disaster. There’s the aggressive stock footage in the middle half, the two clip shows that are within spitting distance of each other (even if Phantasm is actually pretty funny), the animation quality ranging from godtier to absolutely heinous (the knife fight, basically all of episode 11 where the animation drops into still frames, Minmay’s concert where her eyes just turn black and she’s got a microphone that looks like a piece of fried chicken). They left one of the episode masters on a train at one point and the production team had to track down which carriage it was on and what station just to find it, etc. it’s honestly a goddamn miracle that show took off like it did because everything was stacked against it
>Misa
>Minmay
a false dichotomy between two lessers
Shammy is the light and the truth
Didn't the bunnies end up having like 10 kids each?
iirc it was only Vanessa
and one of her grandchildren made it into a Macross stage play
Yeah I honestly don't remember.
Shammy was the one who settled down and had 11 kids while Vaneesa only had 3, I don't remember what happened with Kim
After years of watching popular anime studios decide we all need epilepsy during every action scene in an anime, seeing this no matter how bad was honestly a breath of fresh air
Kim Kabirov continued her military career. In the Macross Frontier novelization she has the rank of admiral and was in Macross 13 leading the defense of Earth during the Vajra incursion of 2059.
11 children came out if her.
Vanessa married e-girl. Lives in Macross City. They have a granddaughter on Macross 29.
Kim rose up the ranks and is single. Retired as Colonel on Eden for a time during Macross 7 as noted in Macross 7 Docking Festival drama CD. Became commander of Macross 13/ Battle 13 during Macross Frontier fighting Vajra on either Earth or the Vajra home planet depending on continuity at the rank of Lt. General.
On another note Millard Johnson in Macross Plus was one of Hikaru's wing men during the aftermath arc. He's the black guy.
>11 children came out if her.
His husband surely is the chaddest of all chads. Lucky bastard.
Kim’s vegana was not filled with semen?
Watching SDFM is what got me into anime
The only thing wrong with it was the animation budget
I was going to watch Macross anyway, because I really liked DYRL, but now I have to watch it, to figure out why there's a giant fish in space.
they explain it pretty easily
a big sphere of earth, like, the spaceship, the air, and the water around it get warped to space
also the tuna is actually not much different from a world record from 1979
Misa was also madly in love with her Martian boyfriend.
if you hate the musical aspect of macross you got filtered, simple as
If you hate the musical aspect of macross you are not human.
Its true.
Is Macross 7 really that bad?
I never watched it but I listen to the songs from time to time and I love em
I think it's the most fun entry in the franchise. The big issue is that it can feel repetitive so it's better watched over a long period of time rather than being binged
It's got some pretty glaring flaws. It's still my favourite Macross series, but that's all down to me really vibing with the bits that worked and not being too interested in the bits that missed
It's definitely got an issue with being repetitive, especially early on. It's one of those shows where the toy mandate's really obvious, there has to be a dog fight at the end of every episode, and they're all fricking identical and almost never related to the actual episodic story, so they just feel like a waste of time
The music also gets recycled heavily, again early on which is just a consequence of how the music was being produced alongside the series, so that there were only ~8 songs available to use (not including OP and ED) until the show was already a few months into its broadcast period. So for those first 20 episodes, you're going to be hearing the same couple of songs over and over and over. And they're far from being the show's best
Then there's Basara and what the show's going for with him, and it's something very particular, basically making a character who is the logical extreme of the 'music as a way of bridging the gap between waring species' idea from the original. And if that doesn't end up gelling with you, you're going to find him utterly insufferable and it's not going to be an enjoyable watch. And that sort of ties into the massive leap M7 takes with why music is significant. In SDF it was just a cultural object used to open a dialogue with another species. In Plus the evil AI just started off as a musician, so that's the platform it uses to launch its takeover. In M7, music generates sci-fi woo energy
Macross 7 is definitely not for everyone, that's the main thing. Either it clicks, or it doesn't
the repetitive parts were mainly due to budget.
and yeah, M7 kinda suffered from pacing issues and a slow start.
Like many of us discussed, it's just seems to be an overly formulaic show with history repeating itself for the plot 45 years later. A fresh new coat of paint over the same story basically, the music and energy are still very much fun though (that and seeing the old characters are what's getting me through)
>Is Macross 7 really that bad?
It's a strong contender from having the most absolutely autistic mc in anything /m/. I like it
I liked most of the cast and their messy relationships.
>*sues for emotional damage*
don't forget: *orgasmic screeching*
They sure don't make 'em like they used to
have they ever done a gag thing of one of the fugly glop demons having learned the power of song and dressing in a frilly idol outfit and singing old Minmay tunes?
If not, they need to.
And I would take a series with Basara x Sivil kids.
Saved.
7 is great fun once you get into the flow, but it is one of the prototypical "it gets good after X episodes" as they very slowly set up the stage for the real plot and repeat exactly 1 song for roughly 10 episodes.
>They may not be representative of quality (especially Delta's), but they're a pretty decent display of the focus.
Delta is great until the added second cour happens and they lose all momentum/focus.
Personally I really like Macross 2
Me too.
Glad someone agrees with me. Yeah it’s just the original but with different aliens but there’s a charm to it. Hibiki is a bro, love Silvie, Macross Cannons are rad as shit, the Gigamesh Feff Custom is one of the coolest mech designs I’ve ever bared witness too, Nexx is a badass. I’ve got a big soft spot for it even if it isn’t the groundbreaking masterpiece everyone was expecting, and I’m glad they’ve kinda opened up to it being canon again maybe
For me it's this "he is literally me" moment.
It is definitely the most okay-est Macross entry
yeah it's got some fun stuff despite its other issues, i liked the new grunt valkyries a lot and sylvie is cool (and not just because they drew her with an enormous rack sometimes)
Can someone put a list for the must-watch Macross shows?
I don't want to watch the idol/singing stuff.
I'm going to start with the first and DYRL movie
>must-watch Macross shows
There's only 7 of them, and 3 of those are OVAs with no more than 6 episodes
>I don't want to watch the idol/singing stuff.
Well that's literally all of them.
ok let me clarify myself,
I saw someone in another thread saying something like old Macross shows were 80% war and 20% idol stuff, while modern shows are 90% idol stuff and 10% war
OG is 60% war, 40% idol
2 and Plus are like 90% war, 10% idol. The one in Plus isn’t even a real person and it has ulterior motives so I don’t even think it counts.
Haven’t seen anything past that.
>2 and Plus are like 90% war, 10% idol
There isn't even a war in Plus, is just two test pilots in a dick measuring contest
They're exaggerating in both directions. The original was roughly equal singing/flying/romance and everything since has had different balance (with Frontier TV being closest to equal again), but even Delta, which is somewhat idol-indulgent, isn't anywhere near 90%. It is shit, but not for that reason.
Honestly, you should just watch the first episode of any of the series that seem at least slightly interesting. They may not be representative of quality (especially Delta's), but they're a pretty decent display of the focus.
People tend to forget how of much of old Macross was regular anime shenanigans.
still more animation than episode 13
better than gbitch
Back broken. Can you antis frick off you're worse than Gwitch fans
I mean, the whole message is that war never works. Ultimately Basara is right as far as the Macross universe is concerned.
You either get through to them via UNDERSTANDING or you die trying.
Zentradi, Protodevilin, Vajra, Windmerians, Yamikyure. Delta tried to push it more into a war scenario but it ended up as a war of songs (and fumbled when it tried to explain it a little too much).
Looking forward to how Sunrise tackles it.
>I don't want to watch the idol/singing stuff
Lol. Lmao. There's plenty of parts in the shows/movies without it, but it'll come up so consistently you'll get filtered anyways. Especially since you're deciding to watch DYRL where Minmay is already a poster girl idol instead of working up to it
isn't lovers non-canon?
DYRL is.
>canon
who cares?
non-canon media usually don't respect the world building and technology that were set by the original authors.
they can be fun, yeah, but it's like they exist "watch it once and pretend it never happened" thing
DYRL and Lovers are non canon
Pretty much this unfortunately. DYRL had some great aesthetics, new music, better production and such, but a lot of the OG aspects from the show were completely ignored or glossed over for the sake of fitting 36 episodes into a single movie. I don't see myself going back to it unlike it's source material
Wrong. Kawamori says all Macross anime is canon.
>DYRL
>non-canon
Hasn't there been an Ai Oboete Imasu Ka? reprise in all 3 TV series since then?
There a lot of in-universe remakes of the same events. Kawamori likens the shows themselves to period dramas in Japan. Basically covering historical events with their own spin.
They mention it in like the first M7 episode.
It's implied to be DYRL but the bridge girls only say "the movie" in a general sense.
Now I think about it, has Yoshiki Fukuyama ever done a cover of DYRL?
He did one recently
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Xq4y1F72r/?share_source=copy_web&t=3372
It's 56 minutes in if the timestamp doesn't work.
>I don't want to watch the idol/singing stuff.
Then go watch Macross AMVs or Gundam.
I watch Macross for the mecha. Whenever there's human drama, I tune out or fast forward. The VFs are the true stars of the franchise.
Do you like the Destroids?
They're ok.
I really liked 7. I did not like Dynamite 7.
II has been back in the official timeline (not as an alternate universe) for a few years now. Whether or not any of the upcoming shows will attempt to lead into it (it's set in 2090) remains to be seen.
>II has been back in the official timeline (not as an alternate universe) for a few years now.
I really dont see how II can fit into the timeline of every other Macross entry made after DYRL when things have gone so radically different, unless they just chuck out 90 percent of II's worldbuilding or relegate it to in-universe fiction.
>muh canon
kek where do these redditors come from
It's all parallel or in-universe remakes, no need to get things confused with mainline. Some details and entities unique to DYRL were adapted throughout the series but not all of it
>coherent discussion of source material for answering a simple question is r*ddit tier apparently
oh brother
no hes right people who overly focus on le canon are geeks who usually miss the forest for the trees
But to assume that everyone here is of that same caliber because we helped to answer 1 anon's question is folly. The morons doing that would stick out like a sore thumb in such an aesthetic, symbolic franchise such as Macross (and probably are posting in discords and subreddits)
Precious
Hayase >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shitmei
which Macross song makes you FEEL the most?
Anything by Reba West.
Nice one.
Ai wa Nagareru. I like how in the midst of all the destruction the song begs to stop with the insanity. It's very significant because of the context. If you take the context out of it my favorite one is Yasashisa Sayonara, but the aforementioned is a close second.
in Ai Oboeta Imasu Ka when Minmay starts singing about not being alone anymore
MOOOOOO HIITORIBOOOTCHI JAAA NAAAI
Besides the obvious choice of Ai Oboeta Imasu Ka, My Beautiful Place and Silver/Red Moon are top highlights of feelings
(me)
Add Yasashisa Sayonara. Reaaaally wish we could've been given a full version of Minmei's solo w/ piano
Speaking of which, how do you guys say her name and how is it actually supposed to be spelled? Recently as I dive more into the series, I noticed the two variations on her name. I'm tempted to chalk up "Minmay" as a translation fault as Minmei seems much more inline to Chinese spelling, but I can't be sure until I've seen official material
Voices
Oh, when I read Macross I assumed the original series, never thought about Plus. That's a great choice.
The song from Macross II opening is awesome too.
wings of goodbye
I know I'm alone in this, but I really think having Yoko Kano compose all the music for Frontier's pop songs elevated it above the rest of the franchise. Yeah, she did great work for Macross Plus as well, but I think she had improved by then after doing more orchestral work with Tomino. May'n is also just a powerhouse when it comes to her actual singing skills. I like Iijima and all, but I prefer her early solo work like Rose over her Macross music. I will say though, Tenshi no Enogu is the absolute best for "see you later" vibes, and fills me with endless nostalgia.
3rd place goes to the Macross II OP, just the OP version, needs the visuals as well.
https://vimeo.com/584747709
Actually damn, maybe Northern Cross is my favorite. So much impact, cool instrumentation and May'n's vocal phrasing in parts, with the almost rap like quick staccato parts is insane.
>I know I'm alone
Know that you're not alone anon, her jpop just hits different.
That's why I can't hate evol too because aquaria mau sora and ai no kigen are super bangers.
SHAOOO PAI LONG
SHAOOO PAI LONG
EBURUZU SRAYYAAH
Star Fi Er
Love Drifts Away, the song is amazing and that episode is so so good
yes I know jello subs sue me
>macross finally gets free of HG
>just in time for the majority of localizers to start really fricking with the translation
>and just in time for their to be a monopoly on anime important and streaming
This is such monkey paw shit that any new macross series is probably going to get butchered in such a way that would make HG blush.
>MC "soul-searching" arc at ep 35
man frick this shit
You talking abot 7? If so you are near the best episode of the show, keep going
Whenever I think about this series, the OG OP plays in my head now, I wonder how many series it'll take for something else to take its place (if that ever happens, that opening is a banger). This anime has genuinely made me imagine doing karaoke
lewd
didnt kanno get in trouble for plagiarizing
She's not really got 'in trouble' for anything, but there's been this long-standing accusation of plagiarism from some corners of the anime side of the internet
https://yokokanno.ojaru.jp/ <this site gives a pretty comprehensive list of all of the comparisons which have been made over the years on 2ch and various forums. Some you can definitely hear the similarity, e.g. compare 'Where Does This Ocean Go?' from GitS SAC https://youtu.be/Sujd6pRY-NI to 'Hyper-Ballad' by Bjork https://youtu.be/r2Kai_fkIks. Some are tenuous bollocks, like the melody of 'Moon's Cocoon' from Turn A https://youtu.be/qUG4qWuXvEA kinda sorta sounding a bit like portions of Holst's 'Somerset Rhapsody' https://youtu.be/nV9k1DLDkUg
That's like calling it "plagiarism" every time someone who isn't Kanada animates a Kanada dragon.
besides basara, this woman is definitely a contender for most autistic character
Oh, she's a lot more autistic. But you barely see her until they start playing.
>spends 90% of the show communicating through alternative means of banging on shit
I know she's more likely meant to be a gimmick character but these are legitimate signs of disability lmao. I can't take shit seriously when the screen cuts to her doing a cymbal crash or drumming on someone's window during important dialogue
this image would do things to me if it had one of her trademark smug faces
This seems like the right thread to ask, I attended the AX Robotech panel and when the presenter was asked about the legal stuff he brought out a slide saying the original Macross and anything with shared characters is prohibited from worldwide distribution. Which Macross shows/movies are those?
SDF & DYRL
Is that it? There’s no other Macross story that features characters from the first show?
7, Frontier and arguably even Delta do, though that's grey area.
Oh and Zero.
Macross 7 features Max and Milia as recurring characters since their daughter Mylene is a main character, but outside of that, not really.
I think the licensing issues still only applies to SDF and DYRL since Shooting Insights' English release includes everything except the DYRL stuff and the story seems to revolve around 7 Max.
>dude PLAGIARISM LMAO
Why is every otaku circle moronic.
Don't get why people go so hard against yoko kanno but nobody bats an eye when rune pika straight up copied earth wind fire's september
Lots of JRPG soundtracks heavily reference old rock bands too
Autism. As in, literal autism. There's a strong tendency towards systematised thinking, which results in a weird over-emphasis on recognising patterns across different pieces of media
Get that civvie prostitute off the bridge
...why is she pulling on her clitoris?
that's not even close to the clitoris
closer to a clit than he's ever gonna be
>he
homosexuals.
>silly boys, I'm a girl!
You will never be.
>she
Black person
Go be deranged someplace else.
Clitoris
finished Macross 7 today. I'm thinking of just posting my experience anyways since the conversation died down.
It brought some pretty interesting stuff to the table expanding the Universe/lore so to speak, but as said before, the execution was simply not up to par. Very formulated, repetitive show from start to finish, had the same pacing as SDFM with even more peculiar characters. Music was some of the best I've heard as consolation, just wish they didn't beat the setlist into the ground with such a long series that could've been cut in half or 3 quarters. Plot holes and unresolved developments were definitely present but not too imperative to the story I suppose. The "Idol Mech" as I've seen some people refer to it as, I fear will only get more saturated from here on out, even with the very enjoyable MCs to get attached to.
Anyone have thoughts about Frontier and Delta? At this rate, my pace will get me through the entire series to date within a week or so
Frontier doesn't treat its idols like 7 with its funky jet fighter band, but since the song physically resonates with the alien they do weaponize it at some point. It's basically a huge homage to the original with 00s anime tropes. Pretty well paced with a cool finale.
Delta is just gundam with songs. The idolshit isn't as prevalent as its initial impression because they're part of an armed group since the beginning and none of the girls actively hate fighting like basara, in several episodes they basically exist to only provide bgms. It's total crap though. They planned it to be a one cour show, then they were told to extend the runtime by the execs except they don't have enough material left. This resulted in several episodes where nothing happened, not even in terms of character development. The final episode had the highest stake in the series but treated it like a mildly annoying motw AND it still ended in cliffhanger. Zettai live redeemed Delta for me but it's a sequel to the compilation movie, not the series.
>They planned it to be a one cour show, then they were told to extend the runtime by the execs except they don't have enough material left.
needed
It's a hearsay sure, but the way they removed everything from the 2nd cour in the compilation (except for walkure's backstory) made me believe it
Wait, you've watched delta already?
Zettai live takes place after the end of the windermere rebellion, but it acts as an alternate 2nd cour of the tv show so I suggest watching the compilation first. It fixed the shitty tv finale too.
Kawamori said in interviews he’d storyboarded a three hour cut of the film. It was all about reworking what they had as best they could. Also note that there was a new Macross show announced in Delta’s wake but that was canceled due to Delta’s popularity and the decision to do the film.
If there was "nothing wrong" with delta's production and they did everything intentionally then that's one of the worst written show I've ever seen
Whatever your opinion may be on the show you don't have to make things up. Frontier fandom already had to endure that idiot Shaloom guy making pages of fake interviews to make it seem like writer Hiroshi Onogi was the one who saved Sheryl Nome from being killed off by mean old Kawamori.
thanks for that, I was just asking in advance, I'm still on Macross Frontier. I'll be on an out of state trip, so this'll make for something to watch on the drive to Utah
thanks for the reply
>It's basically a huge homage to the original with 00s anime tropes
nostalgia tripping is another thing i noticed early on, hopefully is doesn't come off too strong to sweep shit under the rug. Should I watch both delta movies or can I just skip to Zettai since I read the 1st one is a just a theatrical retelling?
From what I've watched and heard, my ranking is probably going to be somewhere around this
SDFM
Frontier
7
Delta
Well, once you're done with Frontier all that's left is II, Plus and Zero. All of them are just OVAs, so it won't take a lot of time.
I'm near the end of Frontier and there's something I don't understand. Why was Sheryl living in poverty in the slums as a child if she is Mao Nome's granddaughter?
Mao Nome was killed while studying the Varja. It’s what Ranka’s flashback was about. Mao was there with Ranka and her mother when the Varja went crazy responding to Ranka’s song.
Sheryl's parents were political activists on Macross Galaxy. They opposed the mandated cybernetic implants bill. It didn't pass the first time. The Executives or Cyber Nobles of Macross Galaxy had them murdered. Sheryl escaped her parents' assassination. The Cyber Nobles always knew where she was enjoying her suffering.
Grace who was saved from the Vajra by an associate of the conspiracy Manfred Brando CEO of Critical Path Corp from Macross VF-X2 picked up Sheryl as part of her revenge plot. She didn't like Mao disagreeing with her theory.
This was covered in the Macross Frontier novelization and Sheryl Kiss Manga.
I always liked the plot twist that sheryl was the cinderella all along
SHARON
I was surprised the beginning of the Frontier movie listed Sharon Apple as one of the great singers that came before Sheryl, felt like they would omit her due to the whole going rogue and killing a bunch of people thing. Funnily enough they also name her as an example of traitors when Sheryl is under suspicion of being a spy, which makes the initial mention more jarring.
that would just make her career a more interesting & dramatic story, its like the ai equivalent of dying young from an overdose
Right a best.
Any news on the Final Live Tour BD? is it going to be a big box set?
Which Siegfried head design is your favorite? I really like the J and S model.
The E mono-eye is baller
I'm a sucker for EW mecha in general.
Strong choices, gentlemen.
F is the best, but E is quite good too.
C.
I mean, my actual 1st choice would've been the A but you limited it to Siegfrieds so I'll just have to go with the head that combines features from the VF-1D and 1J visors in the form of a vaguely triangular double stack.
Honorable mention to the F for having by far the most unusual design I've seen with those butterfly silhouette bugeyes.
I liked how by the time of Frontier Fire Bomber became dad rock that only the boomers listen to
Anyone here by any chance bought and built the 1/72 Bandai Macross model kits? I'm currently debating on whether to get the Super Messiah Alto or the Armored Messiah Alto model kit and am just looking for opinions on the quality of both of either one of them.
Get the armored version. From what I can see on Dalong, the armor parts come with the tabs and pegs the base plane and the super parts don't have, which should make the kit more secure.
>rewatching Frontier
>Love Triangle are the show weakest link
>the narrative and story will be much smother if they fuse Ranka and Sheryle inro one character
No wonder Kawamori want to get rid of love triangle out of the formula.