Imagine if America had kept trying to improve cartoon animation instead of not giving a shit. We could have had this.

Imagine if America had kept trying to improve cartoon animation instead of not giving a shit. We could have had this. It's depressing thinking about what could have been.

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wow, this one is actually way better than the fireball scene that everyone was jerking off to. Like they actually got someone who understands what a western toon is supposed to look like, and not just spastic unreadable visual chaos.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What fireball scene? Sorry I'm a manga reader and just started watching the anime for Gear 5 the last few episodes.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/233917
        This one. It's just a fricking mess all around. The director has no idea what he was doing.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're right. I think they tried to use too many Japanese combat style fighting where they use warped animations to show speed (Naruto was famous for it) where as the scene I posted looks more like they followed traditional western animation styling but with the anime style.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are we going to ignore Rise and Monkie Kid?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"MY PAIN IS FAR GREATER THAN YOURS"

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"MY PAIN IS FAR GREATER THAN YOURS"

            We back in 2010s baby

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Based. Those Naruto clips were funny as frick.

              One SHIT lost.

              Oda and Toriyama are friends and so is Oda and Kishimoto, shitting on one or the other because you're a fan boy is just shitting on the authors friendship. That said, the post isn't even true. On Crunchyroll the G5 transformation episode has WAY more likes and views than the first time MUI showed up.

              People who don't even watch One Piece are coming to watch how ridiculous the new transformation is.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                One SHIT lost.

                Picrel is when MUI appeared.

                I enjoyed both transformations, but trying to compare them by fan reaction is just dumb. The number one anime site normies use overwhelmingly shows in favor of G5 over MUI

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                fricking pic didn't upload.

                >hitting on one or the other because you're a fan boy is just shitting on the authors friendship
                Are you an actual fricking child?

                children come in to threads on an anime board to say NUH UH MY FAVORITE CARTOON IS MORE POPULAR. Grow up, man child.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hitting on one or the other because you're a fan boy is just shitting on the authors friendship
                Are you an actual fricking child?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >On Crunchyroll the G5 transformation episode has WAY more likes and views than the first time MUI showed up.
                oh dear lord, not the upvotes. y-you win

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's so funny how the impact of all these things happening is lacking because the pacing is so moronic.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly a bit disappointing.
          I feel like the classic "sakuga" directing style of having shit be fast and flashy and having everything move as much as humanly possible only works when the fight is so simple that there's no substance beyond who's winning and who's losing. The audience can just turn their brains off and enjoy the fireworks.
          That directing style doesn't work here because the point isn't just that Luffy is beating Kaido. It's specifically HOW he's beating Kaido, with cartoon sight gags.
          I think it would've been better if they had dialed it back and directed it more like webm related. At least enough to make it clear what Luffy is doing beyond "winning".

          I know I'm probably in the minority with this. Most people just see a lot of frames and are impressed enough.
          Reposted this from an Cinemaphile anon, they're all not that bad Cinemaphile

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            If Luffy did that corkscrew punch it would have been actually great,

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              He already did something like that over a decade ago fighting Enel in the Skyland arc. The power scaling really hurt the series.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Haki will remain the lamest shit ever made. Probably the worst power system in any of these shows

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              He's done that several time in the series actually

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                That makes it twice as funny that his ultimate attack was just a big punch then. Nu-oda is such a hack

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              His Cork screw punch is named red hawk he’s been doing it for almost two decades by this point

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I typically like fast cuts like this but it goes way too fast and a lot of the cooler moments don't get time to breath. Not a fan. I was looking forward to see how the anime would handle the eye's popping out of Luffy's head too so seeing that moment just brushed over is a bit of a bummer.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          God I can't believe Wan Piss tards were hyping this shit up so much, by far the worst case of shaky camera I have ever seen.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow, this one is actually way better than the fireball scene that everyone was jerking off to. Like they actually got someone who understands what a western toon is supposed to look like, and not just spastic unreadable visual chaos.

        Imagine if America had kept trying to improve cartoon animation instead of not giving a shit. We could have had this. It's depressing thinking about what could have been.

        >Cinemaphile - Japanese Anime/Media, One Piece, tumblr and shemales

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      >Two threads on a non native board
      Chad piece is above fiction itself! The One.....

      And they're just getting started...............

      Not Cinemaphile
      Piss off
      Wrong board

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        again, cope.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is Boondocks Cinemaphile?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Oh so we can talk about Boondocks on Cinemaphile now? Frick off.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can, but it's up to us to delete the thread or not 😉

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >at least 2 wannabe jannies here
              yikes.

              have a nice day.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anime website

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Cartoon board, have a nice day.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s directly taking inspiration from classic western animation though

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Shut the frick up you worthless imbecile
          That's like saying Amphibia can go on Cinemaphile

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      who ever animated the fireball fricking ruined the whole episode

      instead of praising it we are all fricking focus on that fricking over animated part

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dude this is Cinemaphile. People were posting the fireball scene ironically to make fun of it for being unintelligible.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oda, the author of One Piece, loves Cinemaphile.
      Stop trying to pit him against the west in particular.
      That man is a fricking treasure.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you gonna pretend the animation he likes (Hanna Barbara type stuff) is the same as the new Calarts shit?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          No I'm saying that he is a fan of western animation and that One Piece is literally inspired by Vicky the Viking and he references all kind of western Cinemaphilemics in One Piece.
          There are a lot of Cinemaphilenimes to talk smack about (looking at you Digimon 2020) and the One Piece anime is truly shit on most days regarding pacing (thanks Toei) but the author himself is a real one.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        No one here is saying Oda is bad, they’re just rightfully pointing out that this is anime and thst it belongs on Cinemaphile.

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    And they're just getting started...............

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally incomprehensible shit a complete sporadic overanimated mess

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What is happening here

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's turning the ground to rubber and lifting it.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's a whole lot of extra shit going to convey a simple idea. I can't imagine the manga was this confusing looking

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It wasn't. Toei has to stall though to make the episode a certain amount of time. Hence the DBZ screaming. It's why some scenes are 10/10 while others are "wtf am I looking at"

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      ?t=47

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Japan has a horrible tendency to overcompensate in scenes where there doesn't need to be that energetic and scenes that are way to fast to be able to comprehend properly

    • 9 months ago
      DoctorGreen

      This is unusual but I request that this Webm take its meds

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is animated, but is it good?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's not what a cartoon looks like at all, looks like a music video of the marijuana creed.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick is happening

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Two threads on a non native board
    Chad piece is above fiction itself! The One.....

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    This looks AI generated for about 80% of it, can't tell what's going on

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >looney tunes power
    >do absolutely nothing to show that influence
    bravo Oda and animators

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gear 5 Luffy literally has a looney tunes logo behind him.

      again, cope.

      Oda? more like GODa

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >blows finger up for punch like Tom and Jerry
      >lump on head and stars like every Looney toon powers
      >literally put Looney Tunes logo behind Luffy
      >constant Hanna Barbara sound effects
      >seeing stars animation and sound
      >eyes popping out of head, move so fast face stays behind

      You're blind

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oda watched one Tom and Jerry short and called it a day. This form has been completely half-assed since it was revealed. Anime with western influence used to be good.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Based Panty and Stockings poster
          The day the perfect mix of the best of west and east is created is the day humanity will finally peak.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Globalization and its consequences

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Trigger is legit one of the only japanese studios that can make genuinely funny anime

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            And they STILL fail at it.
            you want enjoyable anime, go over to Eiken and Shin-Ei Doga as theres a reason why Sazae-San and Shin-Chan lasted as long as they did and why nothing Trigger made lasted more then a year.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Frick off Famicom.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Anime with western influence used to be good
          Pic unrelated

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I hope one piece Black folk can finnally stop pretending this anime for babies is deep and well written

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're posting on the cartoon board buddy. There's a Tiny Toons thread up, a cartoon literally made for Toddlers.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        All of that and none of the innovation, wit, and humor that came with it. Sad!

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    One SHIT lost.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Says who? It's literally trending all over the internet right now. It's even trending in my home state of Georgia. This is just from the trending bar on twitter when you open it.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      One Piece, Luffy, and Gear 5 are literally the highest trending things on Twitter right now

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Appropriate Hiroshima is trending above them

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Gear 5 aka Nika the sun god is released same day as Hiroshima
          Pottery

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, Dragonball is so over hyped, it peaked after Goku vs Piccolo.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even Aot had a bigger trending than Warm Piss.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        wrong

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >could not really crash crunchyroll
          >less views than random Boruto moment

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Baryon Mode wasn't random, but that isn't the video Crunchyroll has uploaded l. But iirc it got to 1M faster much like that one did.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Dude, new Naruto annoucement had more views than Gear 5.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                And it looks ugly as hell, but I bet it will have better animation.

                SP isn't a Z tier studio like Toei.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Having to lie.
            Mmm.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >using crunchyroll
            that is not a sign of intelligent life anon

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              watching shonenslop is not a sign of intelligence to begin with.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            CHADgon CHAD is simply unbeatable.

            Dude, new Naruto annoucement had more views than Gear 5.

            >Having to lie.
            Mmm.

            SOVL. Hoping that this is true then.

            One Piece solos you. (aka CHAD piece)

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Warm Piss
              Cannot even touch CHADgon CHAD.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                What has gayON ball even put out in 2023 to even buy on sales? FORGOTTEN series.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I posted it here earlier too

          Says who? It's literally trending all over the internet right now. It's even trending in my home state of Georgia. This is just from the trending bar on twitter when you open it.

          One Piece, Luffy, and Gear 5 are literally the highest trending things on Twitter right now

          even in Georgia alone it was beating

          Even Aot had a bigger trending than Warm Piss.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      CHADgon CHAD is simply unbeatable.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >having a bigger trending than topics over 31 million tweets
        FUARKKKKK!!!!! Toei, I need Dragon Ball back.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        SOVL. Hoping that this is true then.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are so many of the SFX so lazily added? Nothing feels in time with animation it's like they just played a random sound effects video underneeth the anime

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I actually liked it. Made it feel more goofy. Feels like something Sam Hyde would do to make fun of something by overdoing it like with his tiktok videos.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It feels lazy as frick if you're going to have goofy sound effects fine do it BUT TIME THEM TO THE ACTION!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vyB24TSQ3U
        This is what zoomers think is good unironically.

        Even your video at least tries to time the sounds to the motion, the One Peace shit just feels random without deliberation

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The best part is people tried using that Sonic video as a shitpost against people wanting Sonic the cartoon neon rat to be in a world like him, calling it bad, only to end up with a more faithful cartoon comedy use of sound design to what would later come out now in One Piece, that everyone is lapping up in droves

          It's the biggest proof people just wanna worship Japan because they are completely disconnect from American history and is brainrotted to be slaves to the cultural zeitgeist.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >wanna worship Japan
            No, it's just funny. One Piece is the highest selling comic by a single author and top 3 highest selling comics of all time. It's been a battle shonen for years and just out of the blue became Tom and Jerry over 1000 episodes in.

            It's not blind worship, it's just funny.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >over 1000 episodes
              It's funny because it's true...

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >over 1000 episodes in.
              People that say this were in denial. Shit like this was looney tunes as frick and it's from like year 2 or 3 at the latest.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >and just out of the blue became Tom and Jerry over 1000 episodes in.
              you have never watched one piece if you think that, it has always had some cartoon elements in it

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              The skeleton heals himself by drinking milk.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's funny

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not just the skeleton. Luffy regrew a knocked out tooth by drinking milk under the same toon logic.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is what zoomers think is good unironically.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Like the part where he's spinning the dragon around, they keep spamming a sfx there, but why? He's not doing anything particularly goofy, nor zaney in that scene.

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    There were a couple of cartoons we outsourced to Australia to capture that American art style but nobody cared.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a shame that Rise's writing is so schizophrenic, because it is legitimately one of the best animated action cartoons we've ever gotten... at least for some episodes.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Literally has better use of comedtic timing and action than whatever Tacos think looks good in One Piece
      Sad. Espeically they not accepting this because it was "too shonen" ??? and April was black only to now have the one in the new movie being far , far, far worse by comparison.

      That's what you get for worshiping the east so hard, you get what you deserve coming back to you when you ignore good western media.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you trying to sound as contrarian as possible? There is no way anyone will think that tmnt scene is more fun than literally any anime battle.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the animation and action was great in this show. I did not like the character designs, or the art style overall really, or the characters, or the writing, or the humor. But the animation and fights were usually very cool.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The movie is fricking eye candy. Animation and action scenes are some of the best i have ever seen everything else is a torture to tolerate

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’ve never seen this show but I can actually tell what’s going on at least.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Really? I suffer the opposite problem with that show, I know the action is cool but is so fast and weird that by the time I start to process what is going on the scene is over so it becomes just white noise for my eyes

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair I’m only going by this one scene and comparing it the fight scene in OP. It could very well be visual noise in other episodes.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      People keep saying this has good animation but then post things like this and I get a bit confused.
      I watched about 4 or 5 episodes and I didn't hate it, but it just didn't hook me. That said, this doesn't really endear me to the animation being very fluid.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly none of these wacky comlex scenes really impress me as much as even simple shit like webm.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Same. When people post these big finale or movie fight scenes and go, "WOW THIS SHONEN JUST WENT HARRRRRRD", I feel alone on an island because it's just so unimpressive to me. It's a bunch of random drawings thrown together with no sense of timing or structure and a bunch of flashes that overwhelm the eye.

          I love animation where every single frame is a solid drawing. I love being able to pause at any moment and go, "That's a good drawing, that's a good drawing, that's a good drawing" and see how much they can get away with on a limited means. Like having background characters stand still or animating a run cycle using 6 drawings instead of the usual 12.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is literally impossible to make nowadays unfortunately. It's all digital and the skills need to do cell animation litteraly don't exists anymore

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              You can make excellent animation using digital means. The French excel at making 2D movies with great visuals thanks to TVPaint's tools. Movies like Ernest & Celestine and Klaus depend on digital tools to make their animation possible. E&C almost definitely would've been rewritten as a 30-minute special instead of a 90-min movie if they had to actually do every single animation frame as a watercolor drawing.

              The techniques used to animate a motion can still exist whether you're animating it on paper or animating it on a tablet. But it seems like many showrunners are unaware or do not have the experience in dealing with outsourced studios, so they don't know how to get the results they want.

              Someone like Genndy Tartakovsky is able to get great visual results with Primal because he's been around long enough and he has animation director experience. All the college grads who get a show greenlit HAVE to have some bean mouth generic-looking garbage because they just don't know how to work the system in their favor yet.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not saying good animation is impossible, just that the style and feel of the show is a lost art.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can't believe I forgot this one! Oh, that was the good shit back in the day

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imo I don't need all frames to be video game frames, but I do need stylized animation smears and forms to be clear and readable. Make sense. Explainable. HAVE CONTEXT.

            Without context, even in one frame, you lost me instantly. When I pause here, I still know exactly what's going on here, even if the characters are in a blur.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sauce?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            3000 Leagues in Search of Mother
            AKA
            Marco
            AKA
            The Heart

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Based, thought it looked Ghibli esque.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Miyazaki was part of the production

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can definitely tell.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Apparently he was the most prominent layout artist for most of the Takahata-directed WMT shows, which clearly explains why come Ghibli the layout art is often pretty rich in detail.

                I fricking love studying his layouts from that era. Simple, yet simultaneously rich in detail. I'm also a nut for backgrounds which helps

                You can make excellent animation using digital means. The French excel at making 2D movies with great visuals thanks to TVPaint's tools. Movies like Ernest & Celestine and Klaus depend on digital tools to make their animation possible. E&C almost definitely would've been rewritten as a 30-minute special instead of a 90-min movie if they had to actually do every single animation frame as a watercolor drawing.

                The techniques used to animate a motion can still exist whether you're animating it on paper or animating it on a tablet. But it seems like many showrunners are unaware or do not have the experience in dealing with outsourced studios, so they don't know how to get the results they want.

                Someone like Genndy Tartakovsky is able to get great visual results with Primal because he's been around long enough and he has animation director experience. All the college grads who get a show greenlit HAVE to have some bean mouth generic-looking garbage because they just don't know how to work the system in their favor yet.

                I agree. Heck, I was gonna bring up E&C as an example of that sort of subtle animation still being prominent in modern works

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Simple, yet simultaneously rich in detail.
                I'd say that describes Miyazaki overall really well.
                His backgrounds draw you in without pulling attention away from the action. They very much feel like an organic part of the world.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I would say it extends to the other old toei doga guys too, though he's probably the most shining example of it.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/118014

            Show? 3000 Leagues in Search of Mother, episode 1 iir.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            My childhood

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The hand painted backgrounds help a lot. Also helps that they didn't do a lot of the penny pinching techniques they use nowadays, completely sucks the soul out of it

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          There is a subtlety in their motions,sure they are not flipping three feet in the air whle shooting lasers but the way this kids drags that bucket giving a sense of weight is impressive.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You gotta remeber, One Piece is a weekly anime. It has over a thousand episodes. They can't hand paint every single background.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            They could, at the very least, making the animation clean and readable

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Same. When people post these big finale or movie fight scenes and go, "WOW THIS SHONEN JUST WENT HARRRRRRD", I feel alone on an island because it's just so unimpressive to me. It's a bunch of random drawings thrown together with no sense of timing or structure and a bunch of flashes that overwhelm the eye.

          I love animation where every single frame is a solid drawing. I love being able to pause at any moment and go, "That's a good drawing, that's a good drawing, that's a good drawing" and see how much they can get away with on a limited means. Like having background characters stand still or animating a run cycle using 6 drawings instead of the usual 12.

          This for me is the animation equivalent of people praising fight music from video games when the town/overworld/shop/etc. music is better. Pokemon is like the most severe offender of that, I constantly see people post the battle music as examples of how good the music from some of the games is, but the battle music always seemed really lackluster to me compared to the town and route themes in pretty much every single game.

          Big and loud doesn't necessarily mean good, flashy and complex doesn't necessarily mean good either. I know Miyazaki's been tread to death in terms of his animation style, but some of his best fricking scenes are just calm ones without much action happening at all. The obsession that people have with action sequences in animation, especially shonen anime, feels like missing the forest for the trees.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I know Miyazaki's been tread to death in terms of his animation style, but some of his best fricking scenes are just calm ones without much action happening at all.
            Yeah, my favorite animated scenes in general tend to be of the more 'mundane'; like characters who go 'off-script' just to do things like they really live in the setting they inhabit

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Amazingly animated running scenes in kid friendly shows are a thing (see Doraemon and Shin-chan)

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            That tends to be reserved for their features however, the shows themselves tend to be bog slandered anime animation but with simpler designs.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      God the amount of visual clarity in this is great. Everything is clearly telegraphed, unlike a lot of the anime web gen shit I despise

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      never a big rise fan but this was good. good comedic/cartoony action mixed with actual choreography

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have been meaning to watch this but S2 is a fricking b***h to find for some reason. I can locate 51 episodes and the movie, but the rest of S2 is like dust in the wind

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Of all the shows to have such great animations this generation, why was it wasted on Rise.
      But yeah, when it's tried on original shows it doesn't get the audience it need to justify the cost.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is so much better than One Piece. And than most modern anime even, despite making much less money.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That is just because Flying Bark Productions is fricking top notch. They also do Lego Monkie Kid

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is Americans went TOO strict on rules to the point where animation is considered good based on muh frames instead of trying to innovate on camera angles and action.So as budgets for US cartoons shrunk the one thing they could pride themselves on is muh framerate even if what's actually moving in those frames is crap.

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish the sound effects had more variation, hopefully someone makes an edit with Ed Edd n Eddy sfx

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    There was some cool smears but it felt like mostly they just spammed a bunch of stock cartoony sound effects over a convoluted anime fight scene

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's because this is an anime and this is a anime thread that is off topic
      Op is a gay

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        the site is an anime site and always has been. You're a homosexual.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          So I can make anime threads on Cinemaphile now?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            anime is cartoons, so yes.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Frick you weeb

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              cartoons have to look like shit, it's a requirement.
              Anime has shit like perspective and volume.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Animaniacs 2020 could of fixed it, but Wellesley Wild wouldn't allow for it.
                >NOBODY WANTED A SHENMUE SERIES!!!!

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                What about 60's TV anime?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                That one actually looks like a cartoon, but modern Anime is way different, even stuff from 20 years ago like Shinchan has use of perspective and volume, is just that the characters are oddly drawn. I think the big change came around the late 70's and early 80's

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I think the big change came around the late 70's and early 80's
                I'd say the mid-'70s is a more apt starting point.

                Anyways I always find it interesting how Toei's stuff from around this era shares some slight commonalities with even modern western shows, quality notwithstanding. Like hell, this concept of Hilda from Hols could very well fit in with shows like Kipo, OG Ben 10 or Teen Titans w/ slight adjustments.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Hols? that's show?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                movie

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Across the Spider-Verse just came out

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when Luffy had to be clever with his powers instead of pulling a powerup out of his ass every time some stronger guy showed up?

    Yeah, me neither.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      In fairness your example wasn't him being creative with his powers, but with Mister 3's.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        At least is not "Actually I could do this all along but choose to do it just now" for the third time.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          When they pulled that with fourth gear I got a bit annoyed.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      By the time Don Krieg shows up, Luffy's primary gimmick was locked in as enduring long fights and then winning with one big frick you super strong hit.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's most one piece fights, the good guy gets destroyed to the point the should be dead, but survives and somehow one shots the enemy.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Tht's what I'm saying. This idea that Luffy wins through being clever has not really been a thing for the majority of the series.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        No both crocodile and eneru had fights that forced luffy to adapt in creative ways to outsmart his opponent at first to wear him out. From lucci onward each fight has primarily been a war of attrition

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, Thriller Bark was pretty cool. Him using his rubber body to be able to take everyone's shadow and become Nightmare Luffy and use tons of people's skills was pretty dope. Hell, even Water 7 was at least cool because it's the first time we saw him using Gears so it was creative at the time.

          Haki is what ruined it imo. Literally just whoever is more powerful wins.

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If America did this everyone would be shitting on it including Cinemaphile and twitter

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is this sound design? It's horrible. It's not stylish or a clever use of the cartoony sounds, it just sticks out and sounds poorly mixed and overlayed.

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Looks pretty on a drawing level, but on a "is this visually clear" level it is pretty dang bad.

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Western animated shows could easily blow this away if they were actually animated in America instead of outsourced to other countries

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Wan PisSpics spam mediocre animation from a mediocre show
    >OMG it's so QUALITY!! I'm literally cooooming you gays!!!
    America may be past it's golden age, but Japan's still not even close to matching it.

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The west just doesn't like iteration

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >It surpassed them because a random website said so!!!
    The irony is lost on you.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      What standards would you recommend forhype if not the official site to watch it on that's also the most used?

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve never watched one piece but luffy seems like a nice mix between a shonen protag and a wacky golden age cartoon character

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not always like this. Basically the character has been made of rubber for the last 1070 episodes as his power (people get different powers from eating devil fruits, but there's also a kind of battle system introduced later called haki which includes body hardening, being able to see future movements of enemies, and being able to knock out enemies with power) and the entire time the character was thought to be a rubber man and had battle shonen type fights.

      Except in this episode, 1071, suddenly it's revealed he's actually a reality warping sun god and not just rubber out of the blue and they give us wacky golden age cartoon character fighting style.

      It's why this fight is trending so hard everywhere because it was so out of the blue.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      watch one piece

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >unironic toon-force
    How will death battle ever recover

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have generally positive opinions on anime but this was obnoxious

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's colorful and impressive to some degree. I have mostly praise for One Piece's modern style of animation but still have this issue where they need to be flashy as frick. They understand that this episode needs to envoke and old style of animation but it's still missing so much of what made that era of animation great, (the suspense, the build-up, and the punch line). Dragon Ball Super: Broly was the last piece of animation from Toei studio that I can say was genuinely great.

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Looney Tunes did it better back in the 40s and 50s.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >West gives up, East pays homage to what came before
      >"Heh, they did it better. Why even try? Gottem"
      Nobody hands out awards for cynicism

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a shit homage. Also, Cuphead and Unicorn Warriors Eternal exist you dumb weeb.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          both of those are overrated as frick

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Still a better homage than whatever the frick Wan Piss was doing.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why even try?
        I never said that.

  26. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >at least 2 wannabe jannies here
    yikes.

  27. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Except they hired Western animators for this tard, and Toei STILL shit the bed with flashbacks and repeated sequences

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      NTA but i knew this but didn't want to make this about shitting on western animators

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      wrong, the westerners are on the next episode, this one was done by the usual staff

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I had a feeling something was up. This was way too Japanese-animation-trying-to-be-American to be American animation.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not the first time.

          This could've been the norm again if Wellesley Wild didn't show up.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who the frick unbanned you?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I will laugh my ass off if the timing and pacing is 1000 times better than this slop.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They called in western animators for specific cuts. Like the one who made all of the headlines had to confirm he only did around 8 seconds of animation.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do we know which part is that?

  28. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    shit arc, shit new characters like oden, shit retcons, but at least we have this shitty mask gimmick right guys?

  29. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >yo this fight was SO GOOD
    >smear frames and stretch antics to a looney tunes soundboard
    lol, "top tier shonen" indeed

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. I agree.

  30. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  31. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone know where Atsushi Wakabayashi's at? He really needs to get one of these episodes.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      NVM, turns out he's been working on Bleach.

  32. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bandai shows are still funded by tie ins like games, toys, etc.

    The US passed laws to prevent that in cartoons for some fricking reason. Blame the parents groups of the late 80s, early 90s.

  33. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Weebs love to think their cartoons aren't shit

  34. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Animation was good but it lacks style, OP was always mediocre because Toei always bet on the popularity of the franchise, in the recent years they've been trying to improve the animation but it ends up looking like DBZ. The soundtrack for this battle was generic american orchesta trash, this is also proof that the anime lacks a proper style.

  35. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both American 2d and 3d projects look better than this shit

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh god no, modern American 2D animation can't even be called American at this point.

  36. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Cinemaphilecksuckers hate it
    Then it's good

  37. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pretending that anything in Wano was good.

  38. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    most anime is now CGI garbage now though, even One Piece relied heavily on CG throughout this fight.

  39. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    reminder that yamato is trans

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Troll edit.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      No one says this outsight of delusional troons who are desperate to affect any character in media.

  40. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those sound effects are awful.
    They got like 5 they echo on top of each other.

  41. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    this smash tournament is better animated than wan piss

  42. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ah the mald and seethe of this very thread when Ono himself is a Tex Avery gay with all o the mask cartoon, movie and comic collection in his Man room.

  43. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why were One Piece fans so insecure and desperate trying to force Gear 5’s reveal to be the most “iconic” animated transformation of all time?
    There was so much astroturfing over the most spoiled moment in modern anime, there was no shock or surprise here.
    Who fricking cares? Super Saiyan beat you to the punch by doing it first 31 years ago

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not an One Piece issue but an anime gay issue

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dude, MCU fans constantly flood twitter over a single shitty quip, anything that create hype will generate a lot of comments

  44. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is supposed to be an homage to looney tunes and Tom and Jerry
    >No visual gags of trickery whatsoever
    >Dragon doesn't even explode into anything funny like a billion pieces of tiny lizards after getting punched
    >Luffy doesn't even tie him into a knot like he's a balloon animal
    >Doesn't toss him all the way to the fricking moon

    Nice "toon powers" weebs.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ignore the parrots

  45. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    We should post cartoons on Cinemaphile

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      remember the mods worthless shit taste before the board rules

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cinemaphile has the same thread, and it's full of western cartoons

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do it. I'd love to see you homosexuals get banned instantly
      >I'm gonna break le rules because jannies don't care enough about my dead irrelevant hobby board!

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        cope f/a/ggot

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I once made a thread on Cinemaphile about what they think when western cartoons try to imitate anime with things like Castlevania or 2000's Teen Titans. I also asked if they had a different opinion for cartoons that are influenced by anime rather than flat-out imitating it, like Steven Universe or Owl House.

      It got deleted in ten fricking minutes and I got a 3-day ban.

      You can't even talk about esports players or streamers on Cinemaphile, they'll delete that shit, too. I feel like Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile are the only entertainment-based boards where you can be wildly off-topic and the thread stays up for a long period of time.

  46. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would like Gear 5, if it wasn't for all the Nika shit. Wano was the worst trash that Oda has ever put to paper and it's mind-boggling how much better Egghead has been.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know why Oda let Act 3 go on for 100 chapters for ultimately nothing to happen

  47. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know why, but slapping zanny looney tune sfx over anime gargon just doesn't work, probably because action and not slapstick is the focus of this scene.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't know why, but slapping zanny looney tune sfx over anime gargon just doesn't work, probably because action and not slapstick is the focus of this scene.

      Yeah, they needed to go all in on the Popeye stuff. Make Luffy look like he doesn't even belong in the same reality. This is just DBZ with 15% Looney Tunes.

  48. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >that spamming of sound effects that don't even remotely fit with the action
    what the frick, it literally sounds like a shitty meme edit

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      ?t=956
      They liked it.

  49. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The west did it better

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      this looks cheap as shit, it's a youtube show or someting?

  50. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

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