They kind of already do, but because in order to do so they have to actually show Miles on panel, Cinemaphile thinks that means they're jerking the character off instead.
What ifs used to be alternative scenarios to existing stories >What if Spider-Man actually joined the Fantastic Four >What if Flash Thompson was bitten by the spider instead >What if Spider-Man’s clone won their fight?
And not just >What if we took Miles’s cast and lazily forced them into another character’s backstory
>ben thread >immediately mention miles >nobody will bring up the great mini ben just had (but maybe with reverse psychology someone will now do that) and it probably sold like crap
Like clockwork. This is why Chasm happened.
They could have just let him operate in San Francisco or something. Not every spiderman has to be in New york. They could have let Ben Reilly grow old, get married, and have a kid, something that Peter will never be allowed to do. What if Ben Reily's send-off was just to emphasize just how stuck peter is in his self-perpetuated cycle.
Nick Lowe was a Spider-Man fan in the 90s, he loathed Ben because he replaced Peter. Miles has never placed Peter except in Ultimate where no one really cared since that was Bendis's sandbox.
Ben Reilly had all his peter-memories ripped out of him and got a bunch of weird chemicals on him. Now he feels empty inside because he's got enormous gaps in his memory and he's got new powers.
Ben Reilly covered in shape shifting goop and hating Peter because reasons. By the way, this would be the 3rd time they turned him a villain since his resurrection by Slobb.
>can somebody tell me who Chasm is? Is he an evil spiderman?
Remember Ben Reilly, Peter's clone from that story in the 70s, and the Clone Saga that took up two whole years of the 90s? He's back, and now he's a villain called Chasm because the editor of Spider-Man says there's not room for another spider-powered hero in the world and they don't know what else to do with him
>This is why Chasm happened
You know that's not true.
People tend to undersell it, they mindwiped Ben, made him obsessed with Peter and dipped him into "psycho reactive goo". Yes, all this stupid shit was caused by Nick Lowe just realizing Venom doesn't exist anymore.
No, Janine was an existing character Ben met during his exile in Lost Years. In Beyond she acted as a suspiciously efficient plot device, but at the time it wasn't clear if that was by design or just another piece of terrible writing. JMD's mini introduced a way out of this mess, but Wells and Lowe are so malicious I'm not sure they'll follow up on it.
Venom not being a villain was a mistake.
Even anti-hero would work, really. Who cares about Eddie since all this cosmic shit started?
I think anti hero venom was one of the first big mistakes of spider-editorial since it left a big empty hole in spidey's world, and its ashame now they're using ben to try and fill it poorly.
If you can retcon twins as Satan computer spawn you can retcon Janine as dying and getting replaced by Maddy during Beyond or even Janine was never real. Only Maddy. Anything is possible
By the way, did you know Ben recently had a great mini where Spidercide shape-shifte5r into 50s housewife Mary Jane and promised to fulfill all of Ben's desires?
Sorry anon, nobody read or bought it. The people that supposedly like Ben were too busy whining about ASM and pinning the blame on Miles. Because who cares if a character that had his own ongoing for years and appeared in several minis and various Spider events never caught on, it's Miles' fault!
Not sure we're getting more Ben in Lost Hunt after reading JMD's replies on his blog, but I can't complain, it's a miracle Lowe is allowing a good writer near Spider-Man.
Yes. Agreed a million percent. Ben being revived should’ve just been forgotten (like Kaine). That editor isn’t wrong there are entirely too many spider-people. And the most worthless one is Silk. She serves zero purpose and her becoming a villain for Peter would have been a much better arc than Ben. Story wise and real world wise she really was the better option for spider-man beyond and chasm.
The same could be said for Ben and Ben has literally a thousand times more fans than Silk. The only people who like Silk are fappers and making her a villain would just make her more popular with them.
>turning character evil 3 times in 5 years is not "dragging in the dirt"
I think the fan reaction to the end of Beyond warrants that Chasm shit won't last, but you are so fricking dumb and moronic.
Nah. Ben through his entire history hasn't had any real success in any of his ventures. In the short time of his existence Miles has proven to be more essential to the mythos than Ben ever has.
Show your work. You could remove Miles from the Spider-Man mythos entirely and nothing of note would have changed, while removing Ben entirely would remove a number of events that were pretty important. Some of them aren't popular, but they were important.
Oh frick off. I'm sick of the Ben revisionism. Being exactly like Peter and wishing he was him is not a character. He's everything people rightly b***h about Miles, with the extension of what people hate about modern writers doing to Peter, except given a free pass because of your own nostalgia
The way I understand it, most people when they say they want Ben back what they really mean is that they miss the old Bronze Age characterization of Spider-Man where Peter Parker had a more proper mixture of his old abrasive "Jokes and refuses to take shit from the world" attitude along with the maturity to humble himself when he fricked up before manning up and getting the job done. Same for Miles, too. What little I've seen of Miles Morales himself is that he's kind of a mishmash of different ideas by this point, since he's still without a real rogue's gallery or big motivation beyond vaguely helping people and keeping his family from the numerous apocalypses and disasters that happen to every spider. Most of the people that I see like him seem to also enjoy how similar he is to the early characterization of Ultimate Peter Parker as a nerdy but earnest teenage hero that is struggling to find his place both in his social life and as a new protector of the people.
So really, getting aggrieved over people's preferences is kind of a waste of concern since most people who are fans of them don't even like them for being who they are to begin with.
>without a real rogue's gallery
hey that's not fair anon, he has..uh..clone miles and the other clone miles, and the third clone miles, and uh..the first clone miles but in an alternate universe where he took over New York and no one did anything about it because.....
Look, if the writers don't trust Miles to have enough personality to quip on his own evil clone, then I don't think he's quite ready for a proper rogue's gallery
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Kilometers Morales
Ok that's a good one, shame it wasn't Miles doing it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If he did you would complain the he is acting like Peter, again.
If marvel keeps wanting to push Gwen Stacy, they should just bring her all the way back and shack her back up with Peter and retcon Peter's original marriage to MJ as being Ben, then have Ben and Mary Jane just retire/frick off out of the books.
they didn’t bring back gwen but otherwise you just described what they tried and failed to do because it was a shitty idea in the first place in the 90s clone saga, congrats
Peter Parker is gay. He should forsake MJ, Felicia, and all other women to be with his true soulmate: Johnny Storm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Peter is not, but Quentin, certainly, is. Peter is lucky he never tapped that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If Gwendy is Becky, Petey thinks about his Quinty enough that other heroes have commented on it and made out deeply full on the lips and forgot to say "no homo". We love us some gay Spidey so bad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If Gwendy is Becky, Petey thinks about his Quinty enough that other heroes have commented on it and made out deeply full on the lips and forgot to say "no homo". We love us some gay Spidey so bad.
Perhaps Mysterio remembered to say no homosexual and Spider-Man/Green Goblin are the real gays
2 years ago
Anonymous
They need to visit Jean so they'll stop fooling themselves with >muh womens
Most Gwenshits are praying she hasn't been alive so it doesn't ruin her character 4ever. If she was alive they'll start sobbing and I will pop popcorn and laugh. Take her away X-Men!
probably, eventually when he isn't in the center of the cultural zeitgeist, writters will try to justify his existence by similar dumb shit like they did with Ben.
Ben is a character that came out of one of the worst Spider-Man comics of all time
Miles starred in one of the greatest animated films of all time and was a follow up to one of the most critically acclaimed Spider-Man runs of all time
Maybe eventually, but if it happens it'd be more the result of just how miles is inserted in everything while ben only ever appeared in TAS.
Ben also starred in popular/critically aclaimed stories like asm 400 or lost years, which is far more than what Miles has had.
Usm wasnt particularly crtiically aclaimed. It was a popular book, sure, but so was the clone saga while it was running.
Really the big difference is media exposure, miles was put into a lot of stuff more or less right after his creation. Which does make him more comparable to say venom or carnage who had that exact same thing.
They really fricked up by not giving that suit to Miles.
Maybe Chasm should become a villain for Miles instead. Have Chasm working hard to turn Miles from Peter and convince him that Peter's allies only ever suffer because of him. But continuously show Ben/Chasm has a soft spot for him like a brother.
Then somehow the "Chasm Powers" get transferred from Ben to Miles, Ben runs away critically injured to the West Coast, and leaves Miles infected.
Miles now can have his own "Venom" type story like Pete's black suit era.
Honestly miles works better as chasm, his entire MO makes more sense with him as a villain. Kid obsessed with being spider-man finally pushed over the edge of living under the originals shadow
The suit does look very prowler esque, and Miles as prowler is a kino idea. Fits with him bieng a legacy character, but trying to reedem one with complicated history.
They really could just pull a "venom" and say the infection is making him all angsty, and he doesn't turn villain or anything but just spends some time on his own being Prowler and doing cool shit without Peter.
Then after a while Peter finds a way to cure Miles, and he convinces him to be a Spider-Man again for some big Spider-Family event. But maybe merge the costume ideas of his classic and his chasm looks.
The suit does look very prowler esque, and Miles as prowler is a kino idea. Fits with him bieng a legacy character, but trying to reedem one with complicated history.
Honestly miles works better as chasm, his entire MO makes more sense with him as a villain. Kid obsessed with being spider-man finally pushed over the edge of living under the originals shadow
The suit does look very prowler esque, and Miles as prowler is a kino idea. Fits with him bieng a legacy character, but trying to reedem one with complicated history.
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They really could just pull a "venom" and say the infection is making him all angsty, and he doesn't turn villain or anything but just spends some time on his own being Prowler and doing cool shit without Peter.
Then after a while Peter finds a way to cure Miles, and he convinces him to be a Spider-Man again for some big Spider-Family event. But maybe merge the costume ideas of his classic and his chasm looks.
>Chasm decides no one should be a Spider-Person anymore
>wants Peter to take sole responsibility for the title and give up having the "Spider-Family" and essentially make him choose between being Spider-Man and doing it alone, or living a quiet life with MJ.
>Peter is unaware of this plot and believes Ben to be dead
>Miles is the only one Ben shows himself too and otherwise leaves no trace of himself. He tries to be the "devil on his shoulder" and pulling psychological shenanigans on him, and making Miles seems crazy to the rest of the family and like he's causing destruction.
>Ben uses his smarts to concoct a serum or device or something that will strip the powers from the spider-family
>Uses Miles to lure them all to where the stuff is
>SpiderFight ensues, big fight between Peter and Ben. Ben uses trap card on Peter, and team, all according to keikaku, so Peter can watch him achieve his victory.
>Miles somehow gets free and throws Ben into whatever machinery which strips the Chasm Powers away from him and also leaves him fricked up
>The resulting explosion sends the Chasm nasty shit into Miles, infecting him and nearly killing him as well.
All leads into a "Miles Morales: The Prowler" miniseries
The thing with Ben that miles doesnt have is that while both have very similar personalities to Peter, Ben actually has different life experiences. You can never have a story where Peter contemplates suicide as is a grifter trought the US, but you can do that with Ben. While Miles really doesnt. What miles does have different is never focused on (like him coming from a well off family and not having to struggle for money), or already similar to Ult Peter (like having a confidant from high school).
Then again, i do think that Ben should have stayed dead in the clone saga. It was a really good death.
It also doesnt help that miles's main gimmick, being the spider-man motivated by Peter's death and having to live up to him, isnt really applicable now.
1. Miles doesn't have a similar personality to Peter, Peter is by far quippier.
2. Miles has living family beyond a single elderly aunt; he's still got his mother, father, uncle, and a baby sister. How is that not going to result in a different life experience?
3. Miles isn't particularly well off, you're basing the fact on the fact that he won a school lottery. He's solidly middle class at absolute best.
1. That's one difference, outside of that he is basically written the same way ultimate peter was (which isnt the exact same as 616 peter to be fair). And in turn ben was far quippier and less angsty (despite the suicide attempt) than peter was at the time.
2. And so far its barely affected it, because the first run killed his mom quickly into it as well as his uncle. So far its really not led to much difference.
3. No, i am saying he's well off in relative terms to peter, because he doesnt have to work because both of his parents do that and they can afford to live without bills piling on constantly.
I dont think miles is a bad character mind you, i just think that outside of his origin and itsv he's really not done much. He's just kinda bland normally.
They could lean into him being far more social than peter like itsv and the game did, but at this point it'd be 11 years into him existing as a character. Hell you could use him, ben and peter to tell wideley different stories so everyone gets the spider-man they want or something like that.
>So far its really not led to much difference.
So Peter had a story where he was kidnapped and tortured for weeks until his dad and uncle rescued him? Or a story where he fights sewer monsters while baby sitting his infant sister?
I would very much like to read those.
>Does peter have a story where he's tortured for weeks untill a loved one helps him.
I mean depending on how you see it that's last hunt, just with the help being external rather than internal, which isnt particularly more compelling. But sure you do have a bit of a point.
And sure the baby sister is different from peter. Mayday did that first. So again, you have the issue of Miles cribbing from pre-existing spider-people but you move who it affects. Kinda like saying, yes Miles having an evil family member is diffrent from peter, but both ben and Miguel had that as well.
And fundamentally Miles stories tend to give more focus to the elements he has in common with peter, or at least with how peter is seen, rather than what he has different. Which is a shame, because you could explore them and make him more compelling.
It doesnt help that despite being a fairly new character (11 years old), his history is a bit too convoluted with the whole moving universe thing, because writers dont make up their mind whether he remebers ultimate stuff or not, and what's even his current motivator.
Now to be clear I don't think Miles is being written well. I think they're trying to do too much and too fast and as a result nothing is being given time to focus or breathe.
I think any time his story is about to go somewhere they stick him into another event, be it Civil War 3 or the universes merging or this multiverse nonsense because Marvel wants to show off their new toy any chance they get without realizing that doing so cheapens it. I don't think that's the fault of the character or the concept, but rather the execution.
Or, for example, I think Starling was a good idea to give Miles his own Black Cat but then they speed through her character arc so that she's another expendable D-list teenage superhero and that's kind of huge waste.
But I'm not quite willing to write him off entirely because of this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, no sure i can agree with that. I more so mean that Miles really hasnt done that yet in the comics, so its weird when people act like its happened. Whenever he has the possibility to really come into his own either events happen or he's put back in the box because he cant change too much from formula. I think ITSV shows that Miles can work without even that much work.
>Civil War 3
Dont fricking jinx it.
Miles should just frick off back to the Ultimate universe or, if he must stay in 616, another city. What in the everloving frick is the point of keeping him in NYC? When Peter is still around? He'd have much less criticism if he was truly the only Spider-man around in a non-616 setting.
Spider-Gwen should be shit and raped though. Frick that useless character.
Miles getting to be the main spider-man of a setting would help, moving him to 616 was a huge mistake and removed the biggest thing he had as a character.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Dont fricking jinx it.
I think we all know it's going to happen whether we want it to or not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Dont fricking jinx it.
I think we all know it's going to happen whether we want it to or not.
Civil war three already happened with outlaws
2 years ago
Anonymous
War 3 >Dont fricking jinx it.
It technically already happened
We had Civil War, then Ultimate Civil War, which derailed Miles' arc in that universe, then 616 Civil War 2, which may as well be Civil War 3, which Miles and Kamala got dragged into as well. Then the aborted Children's War started in Ms Marvel which was supposed to be about teenage superheroes and would've derailed Miles (and Kamala) AGAIN.
People love to scream that diversity characters are the problem but the truth is it's the constant crossover events that torpedo their ability to gain the sort of foundational stories that white superheroes were allowed before everything had to be crossover bullshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean a book called civil war 3, but you're not wrong.
I think legacy characters are perfectly fine, altough in general marvel lends itself less to them than DC since they're so soap opera ish at their core.
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Civil war three already happened with outlaws
True.
>Dont fricking jinx it.
I think we all know it's going to happen whether we want it to or not.
Pls no.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I want to say Civil War 3, can't be as bad as the first two, but I also thought Civil War 2 couldn't possibly be as bad as the first one so what do I know?
An issue i do think Miles has, but that's far too common with newer characters sadly, is the lack of a rogues gallery.
He has >His uncle >616 Miles >Salim and the other clone >Maybe ultimate venom 2.
Miles should just frick off back to the Ultimate universe or, if he must stay in 616, another city. What in the everloving frick is the point of keeping him in NYC? When Peter is still around? He'd have much less criticism if he was truly the only Spider-man around in a non-616 setting.
Spider-Gwen should be shit and raped though. Frick that useless character.
Well Nova, Speedball and darkwhawk where all attempts at doing a new spider-man. Nova became the best when he stopped having that sort of role with anihialtion.
says who? Editors are pushing for miles. Disney is pushing miles into spider-man cartoons. Sony is pushing miles into videogames and he's the protag of Into the spider-verse. Miles Morales is here to stay and you can't do anything about it parker cuck
why the frick is there so much marvel wank over miles? totally uninteresting character they're trying to force head over heels for reasons that remain incomprehensible to most people.
He's black. That's about it.
They're aware he has some readers, which is more than they can say about any of the other teen legacy characters they shat out in in the 2010's
It's Ben Reily. They made him evil for the final story he'd be appearing in because Marvel thought it would be a good send off for him.
The reason Marvel think Ben needs to leave is because Spider shit is too bloated and he had to go.
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They kind of already do, but because in order to do so they have to actually show Miles on panel, Cinemaphile thinks that means they're jerking the character off instead.
Having him on a panel isn't jerking the character off.
Having an entire Avengers themed around just Miles characters including a ghetto Asgardian is.
>crying about something that happened in a what if
the absolute state of miles haters
A what if issue? Do you even read comics?
it's not a normal what if issue since real Miles is there too
You so silly anonnie
What ifs used to be alternative scenarios to existing stories
>What if Spider-Man actually joined the Fantastic Four
>What if Flash Thompson was bitten by the spider instead
>What if Spider-Man’s clone won their fight?
And not just
>What if we took Miles’s cast and lazily forced them into another character’s backstory
>ben thread
>immediately mention miles
>nobody will bring up the great mini ben just had (but maybe with reverse psychology someone will now do that) and it probably sold like crap
Like clockwork. This is why Chasm happened.
>This is why Chasm happened
You know that's not true.
They could have just let him operate in San Francisco or something. Not every spiderman has to be in New york. They could have let Ben Reilly grow old, get married, and have a kid, something that Peter will never be allowed to do. What if Ben Reily's send-off was just to emphasize just how stuck peter is in his self-perpetuated cycle.
Outside of the downtown area, SF doesn't have any buildings Spider-Man can swing around on.
Just go bigger than SF the whole Bay Area is really inter connected and its like only like 4 hours tops to go anywhere.
I mean it worked for Otto when he was there
Otto had his arms to get him around.
90% of marvel cast is in new york.
>and Miles Morales is here to stay
Diversity hires are despicable.
>liberal
>ever treating their pet monkeys in a bad way
lol no.
only white men get treated like shit
i wish
They’d never do this to Kaine and Miles.
Ben fans keep seething.
>Kaine
They've forgotten he exists.
>Miles
They can't take any big risks with the black Spider-Man.
Hopefully yeah, the pendulum swings back the other way and women and whinorities get what's fricking coming to them.
Nick Lowe was a Spider-Man fan in the 90s, he loathed Ben because he replaced Peter. Miles has never placed Peter except in Ultimate where no one really cared since that was Bendis's sandbox.
More like Jizzum
I'm out of the loop, can somebody tell me who Chasm is? Is he an evil spiderman?
Ben Reilly had all his peter-memories ripped out of him and got a bunch of weird chemicals on him. Now he feels empty inside because he's got enormous gaps in his memory and he's got new powers.
Ben Reilly covered in shape shifting goop and hating Peter because reasons. By the way, this would be the 3rd time they turned him a villain since his resurrection by Slobb.
>can somebody tell me who Chasm is? Is he an evil spiderman?
Remember Ben Reilly, Peter's clone from that story in the 70s, and the Clone Saga that took up two whole years of the 90s? He's back, and now he's a villain called Chasm because the editor of Spider-Man says there's not room for another spider-powered hero in the world and they don't know what else to do with him
People tend to undersell it, they mindwiped Ben, made him obsessed with Peter and dipped him into "psycho reactive goo". Yes, all this stupid shit was caused by Nick Lowe just realizing Venom doesn't exist anymore.
Sooo... Was Janine Maddy all along and Ben stans fell for it cuz petey likes gingers so the clone must love them too?
No, Janine was an existing character Ben met during his exile in Lost Years. In Beyond she acted as a suspiciously efficient plot device, but at the time it wasn't clear if that was by design or just another piece of terrible writing. JMD's mini introduced a way out of this mess, but Wells and Lowe are so malicious I'm not sure they'll follow up on it.
Even anti-hero would work, really. Who cares about Eddie since all this cosmic shit started?
I think anti hero venom was one of the first big mistakes of spider-editorial since it left a big empty hole in spidey's world, and its ashame now they're using ben to try and fill it poorly.
>Who cares about Eddie since all this cosmic shit started?
Did the symbiote ever start caring or did it just want to latch onto Parker forevermore?
If you can retcon twins as Satan computer spawn you can retcon Janine as dying and getting replaced by Maddy during Beyond or even Janine was never real. Only Maddy. Anything is possible
Don’t give Wells any ideas for the love of god
Don't worry. Wells has Lowe for that.
>Who cares about Eddie
The stans buying his comics
It is a bit amazing just how well venom sold, altough now he's not even venom.
Gotta have my Brock-o!
Lmao. I dont hate the cates run, and i do think it tried to justify anti hero eddie the best, but he just made the book into spawn.
>cosmic shit
Oh god don’t remind me that shit sucks
Venom not being a villain was a mistake.
Nick "No White Will Ever Be Alright" Lowe
By the way, did you know Ben recently had a great mini where Spidercide shape-shifte5r into 50s housewife Mary Jane and promised to fulfill all of Ben's desires?
Sorry anon, nobody read or bought it. The people that supposedly like Ben were too busy whining about ASM and pinning the blame on Miles. Because who cares if a character that had his own ongoing for years and appeared in several minis and various Spider events never caught on, it's Miles' fault!
At least we know we’re getting another JMD Ben Reilly mini
Not sure we're getting more Ben in Lost Hunt after reading JMD's replies on his blog, but I can't complain, it's a miracle Lowe is allowing a good writer near Spider-Man.
Oh so Ben might not be in Lost Hunt? That’s a shame, but at least like you said we’re getting some more of the good shit from JMD
JMD has wrtten spidey in every era, i feel writing last hunt gives him mad cred.
Easily the best spider-book in a while. And ben does reject that pretty quick in the book anon.
Silk should have been Chasm
Fap anon
Someone take a panel with Silk and recolor her suit with Chasm's colors
Then we can decide whether she should have been Chasm or not
something like this?
(sorry for my shitty coloring)
perhaps she could have been Chasm
Yes. Agreed a million percent. Ben being revived should’ve just been forgotten (like Kaine). That editor isn’t wrong there are entirely too many spider-people. And the most worthless one is Silk. She serves zero purpose and her becoming a villain for Peter would have been a much better arc than Ben. Story wise and real world wise she really was the better option for spider-man beyond and chasm.
Conway turned Wraith into a villain, we really don't need a repeat of that with Silk. Better to just leave her in obscurity.
The same could be said for Ben and Ben has literally a thousand times more fans than Silk. The only people who like Silk are fappers and making her a villain would just make her more popular with them.
No it wouldn't. If they like her character, they wouldn't enjoy any kind of character assassination.
This
Silk should have been with Black Cat
what the frick even is that name?
seriously, it doesn't make any sense
>temporary heel turn is "dragging in the dirt"
i didn't like the Beyond shit but you are so fricking dumb and moronic.
>turning character evil 3 times in 5 years is not "dragging in the dirt"
I think the fan reaction to the end of Beyond warrants that Chasm shit won't last, but you are so fricking dumb and moronic.
>no u
what a come back OP, you really showed how dumb and moronic you are.
>out of arguments
>thinking only op can call out your homosexualry
ok, dumb and moronic sir.
You’d be right if this wasn’t his third temporary heel turn since he was brought back from the satisfying ending he already had
Nah. Ben through his entire history hasn't had any real success in any of his ventures. In the short time of his existence Miles has proven to be more essential to the mythos than Ben ever has.
>Miles
>essential
How many stories wouldn't work without Miles? How many of those stories are good? He's about as essential as OMD.
Show your work. You could remove Miles from the Spider-Man mythos entirely and nothing of note would have changed, while removing Ben entirely would remove a number of events that were pretty important. Some of them aren't popular, but they were important.
Ben is just as shit as Miles and I'm tired of people not accepting this
Líes .
Oh frick off. I'm sick of the Ben revisionism. Being exactly like Peter and wishing he was him is not a character. He's everything people rightly b***h about Miles, with the extension of what people hate about modern writers doing to Peter, except given a free pass because of your own nostalgia
The way I understand it, most people when they say they want Ben back what they really mean is that they miss the old Bronze Age characterization of Spider-Man where Peter Parker had a more proper mixture of his old abrasive "Jokes and refuses to take shit from the world" attitude along with the maturity to humble himself when he fricked up before manning up and getting the job done. Same for Miles, too. What little I've seen of Miles Morales himself is that he's kind of a mishmash of different ideas by this point, since he's still without a real rogue's gallery or big motivation beyond vaguely helping people and keeping his family from the numerous apocalypses and disasters that happen to every spider. Most of the people that I see like him seem to also enjoy how similar he is to the early characterization of Ultimate Peter Parker as a nerdy but earnest teenage hero that is struggling to find his place both in his social life and as a new protector of the people.
So really, getting aggrieved over people's preferences is kind of a waste of concern since most people who are fans of them don't even like them for being who they are to begin with.
>without a real rogue's gallery
hey that's not fair anon, he has..uh..clone miles and the other clone miles, and the third clone miles, and uh..the first clone miles but in an alternate universe where he took over New York and no one did anything about it because.....
Look, if the writers don't trust Miles to have enough personality to quip on his own evil clone, then I don't think he's quite ready for a proper rogue's gallery
>Kilometers Morales
Ok that's a good one, shame it wasn't Miles doing it.
If he did you would complain the he is acting like Peter, again.
To be fair it's not just nostalgia that gives Ben a pass.
>dragging Miles through the dirt
How would you be able to tell? He's already brown.
If marvel keeps wanting to push Gwen Stacy, they should just bring her all the way back and shack her back up with Peter and retcon Peter's original marriage to MJ as being Ben, then have Ben and Mary Jane just retire/frick off out of the books.
they didn’t bring back gwen but otherwise you just described what they tried and failed to do because it was a shitty idea in the first place in the 90s clone saga, congrats
they will
It;s a mental projection in his mind to relive the event
It’s Quentin Beck in a wig. It’s all “Gwen” ever was.
Peter Parker is gay. He should forsake MJ, Felicia, and all other women to be with his true soulmate: Johnny Storm.
Peter is not, but Quentin, certainly, is. Peter is lucky he never tapped that.
If Gwendy is Becky, Petey thinks about his Quinty enough that other heroes have commented on it and made out deeply full on the lips and forgot to say "no homo". We love us some gay Spidey so bad.
Perhaps Mysterio remembered to say no homosexual and Spider-Man/Green Goblin are the real gays
They need to visit Jean so they'll stop fooling themselves with
>muh womens
she never died. You will see
Most Gwenshits are praying she hasn't been alive so it doesn't ruin her character 4ever. If she was alive they'll start sobbing and I will pop popcorn and laugh. Take her away X-Men!
It funny that patsies are replying to this post as if it's not obviously a joke.
In 10 to 15 years america will have collapsed
probably, eventually when he isn't in the center of the cultural zeitgeist, writters will try to justify his existence by similar dumb shit like they did with Ben.
No Miles is protected by being black
Ben is a character that came out of one of the worst Spider-Man comics of all time
Miles starred in one of the greatest animated films of all time and was a follow up to one of the most critically acclaimed Spider-Man runs of all time
Maybe eventually, but if it happens it'd be more the result of just how miles is inserted in everything while ben only ever appeared in TAS.
Ben also starred in popular/critically aclaimed stories like asm 400 or lost years, which is far more than what Miles has had.
Usm wasnt particularly crtiically aclaimed. It was a popular book, sure, but so was the clone saga while it was running.
Really the big difference is media exposure, miles was put into a lot of stuff more or less right after his creation. Which does make him more comparable to say venom or carnage who had that exact same thing.
> one of the greatest animated films of all time
Which would be?
They really fricked up by not giving that suit to Miles.
Maybe Chasm should become a villain for Miles instead. Have Chasm working hard to turn Miles from Peter and convince him that Peter's allies only ever suffer because of him. But continuously show Ben/Chasm has a soft spot for him like a brother.
Then somehow the "Chasm Powers" get transferred from Ben to Miles, Ben runs away critically injured to the West Coast, and leaves Miles infected.
Miles now can have his own "Venom" type story like Pete's black suit era.
Honestly miles works better as chasm, his entire MO makes more sense with him as a villain. Kid obsessed with being spider-man finally pushed over the edge of living under the originals shadow
They really could just pull a "venom" and say the infection is making him all angsty, and he doesn't turn villain or anything but just spends some time on his own being Prowler and doing cool shit without Peter.
Then after a while Peter finds a way to cure Miles, and he convinces him to be a Spider-Man again for some big Spider-Family event. But maybe merge the costume ideas of his classic and his chasm looks.
The suit does look very prowler esque, and Miles as prowler is a kino idea. Fits with him bieng a legacy character, but trying to reedem one with complicated history.
>Chasm decides no one should be a Spider-Person anymore
>wants Peter to take sole responsibility for the title and give up having the "Spider-Family" and essentially make him choose between being Spider-Man and doing it alone, or living a quiet life with MJ.
>Peter is unaware of this plot and believes Ben to be dead
>Miles is the only one Ben shows himself too and otherwise leaves no trace of himself. He tries to be the "devil on his shoulder" and pulling psychological shenanigans on him, and making Miles seems crazy to the rest of the family and like he's causing destruction.
>Ben uses his smarts to concoct a serum or device or something that will strip the powers from the spider-family
>Uses Miles to lure them all to where the stuff is
>SpiderFight ensues, big fight between Peter and Ben. Ben uses trap card on Peter, and team, all according to keikaku, so Peter can watch him achieve his victory.
>Miles somehow gets free and throws Ben into whatever machinery which strips the Chasm Powers away from him and also leaves him fricked up
>The resulting explosion sends the Chasm nasty shit into Miles, infecting him and nearly killing him as well.
All leads into a "Miles Morales: The Prowler" miniseries
Ben's entire existence has been a series of ill-conceived nonsensical frick-ups.
The thing with Ben that miles doesnt have is that while both have very similar personalities to Peter, Ben actually has different life experiences. You can never have a story where Peter contemplates suicide as is a grifter trought the US, but you can do that with Ben. While Miles really doesnt. What miles does have different is never focused on (like him coming from a well off family and not having to struggle for money), or already similar to Ult Peter (like having a confidant from high school).
Then again, i do think that Ben should have stayed dead in the clone saga. It was a really good death.
It also doesnt help that miles's main gimmick, being the spider-man motivated by Peter's death and having to live up to him, isnt really applicable now.
1. Miles doesn't have a similar personality to Peter, Peter is by far quippier.
2. Miles has living family beyond a single elderly aunt; he's still got his mother, father, uncle, and a baby sister. How is that not going to result in a different life experience?
3. Miles isn't particularly well off, you're basing the fact on the fact that he won a school lottery. He's solidly middle class at absolute best.
> 1. Miles doesn't have a similar personality to Peter, Peter has far more personality.
FTFY
1. That's one difference, outside of that he is basically written the same way ultimate peter was (which isnt the exact same as 616 peter to be fair). And in turn ben was far quippier and less angsty (despite the suicide attempt) than peter was at the time.
2. And so far its barely affected it, because the first run killed his mom quickly into it as well as his uncle. So far its really not led to much difference.
3. No, i am saying he's well off in relative terms to peter, because he doesnt have to work because both of his parents do that and they can afford to live without bills piling on constantly.
I dont think miles is a bad character mind you, i just think that outside of his origin and itsv he's really not done much. He's just kinda bland normally.
They could lean into him being far more social than peter like itsv and the game did, but at this point it'd be 11 years into him existing as a character. Hell you could use him, ben and peter to tell wideley different stories so everyone gets the spider-man they want or something like that.
>So far its really not led to much difference.
So Peter had a story where he was kidnapped and tortured for weeks until his dad and uncle rescued him? Or a story where he fights sewer monsters while baby sitting his infant sister?
I would very much like to read those.
holy shit this has happened to Miles? Maybe I should read some of his stories if they're that metal
Jesus. Even if it isn't Peter, Spider-Man always has to suffer. This is nuts
Its the one constant. I dont think a single spider hasnt suffered.
And the baby sitting.
>Does peter have a story where he's tortured for weeks untill a loved one helps him.
I mean depending on how you see it that's last hunt, just with the help being external rather than internal, which isnt particularly more compelling. But sure you do have a bit of a point.
And sure the baby sister is different from peter. Mayday did that first. So again, you have the issue of Miles cribbing from pre-existing spider-people but you move who it affects. Kinda like saying, yes Miles having an evil family member is diffrent from peter, but both ben and Miguel had that as well.
And fundamentally Miles stories tend to give more focus to the elements he has in common with peter, or at least with how peter is seen, rather than what he has different. Which is a shame, because you could explore them and make him more compelling.
It doesnt help that despite being a fairly new character (11 years old), his history is a bit too convoluted with the whole moving universe thing, because writers dont make up their mind whether he remebers ultimate stuff or not, and what's even his current motivator.
Now to be clear I don't think Miles is being written well. I think they're trying to do too much and too fast and as a result nothing is being given time to focus or breathe.
I think any time his story is about to go somewhere they stick him into another event, be it Civil War 3 or the universes merging or this multiverse nonsense because Marvel wants to show off their new toy any chance they get without realizing that doing so cheapens it. I don't think that's the fault of the character or the concept, but rather the execution.
Or, for example, I think Starling was a good idea to give Miles his own Black Cat but then they speed through her character arc so that she's another expendable D-list teenage superhero and that's kind of huge waste.
But I'm not quite willing to write him off entirely because of this.
Oh, no sure i can agree with that. I more so mean that Miles really hasnt done that yet in the comics, so its weird when people act like its happened. Whenever he has the possibility to really come into his own either events happen or he's put back in the box because he cant change too much from formula. I think ITSV shows that Miles can work without even that much work.
>Civil War 3
Dont fricking jinx it.
Miles getting to be the main spider-man of a setting would help, moving him to 616 was a huge mistake and removed the biggest thing he had as a character.
>Dont fricking jinx it.
I think we all know it's going to happen whether we want it to or not.
Civil war three already happened with outlaws
War 3
>Dont fricking jinx it.
It technically already happened
We had Civil War, then Ultimate Civil War, which derailed Miles' arc in that universe, then 616 Civil War 2, which may as well be Civil War 3, which Miles and Kamala got dragged into as well. Then the aborted Children's War started in Ms Marvel which was supposed to be about teenage superheroes and would've derailed Miles (and Kamala) AGAIN.
People love to scream that diversity characters are the problem but the truth is it's the constant crossover events that torpedo their ability to gain the sort of foundational stories that white superheroes were allowed before everything had to be crossover bullshit.
I mean a book called civil war 3, but you're not wrong.
I think legacy characters are perfectly fine, altough in general marvel lends itself less to them than DC since they're so soap opera ish at their core.
True.
Pls no.
I want to say Civil War 3, can't be as bad as the first two, but I also thought Civil War 2 couldn't possibly be as bad as the first one so what do I know?
An issue i do think Miles has, but that's far too common with newer characters sadly, is the lack of a rogues gallery.
He has
>His uncle
>616 Miles
>Salim and the other clone
>Maybe ultimate venom 2.
no because he's black
Miles should just frick off back to the Ultimate universe or, if he must stay in 616, another city. What in the everloving frick is the point of keeping him in NYC? When Peter is still around? He'd have much less criticism if he was truly the only Spider-man around in a non-616 setting.
Spider-Gwen should be shit and raped though. Frick that useless character.
who's the better spider-man legacy character: darkhawk, nova or speedball?
Of those three nova is the best but he’s certainly not a Spider-Man legacy character. I can’t even remember the last time they interacted
isn't that the point of true legacy character? To branch off and be it's own thing
Well Nova, Speedball and darkwhawk where all attempts at doing a new spider-man. Nova became the best when he stopped having that sort of role with anihialtion.
I like gwen!
In 10 years Miles will be a forgotten footnote in comic history. Looked back at with a chuckle when remembered at all.
says who? Editors are pushing for miles. Disney is pushing miles into spider-man cartoons. Sony is pushing miles into videogames and he's the protag of Into the spider-verse. Miles Morales is here to stay and you can't do anything about it parker cuck
So you are saying he’ll be a forgotten footnote in 15 years instead of 10?
>expecting Lowe and the others to leave comicbook industry
Naive child, when will you learn?
>INB4 Miles is cucked by Spider-Punk/Hobart Brown
>Gwen now craves Black British MEAT
>spider-punk
cheap copycats aren't worth anyone's time
why the frick is there so much marvel wank over miles? totally uninteresting character they're trying to force head over heels for reasons that remain incomprehensible to most people.
He's black. That's about it.
They're aware he has some readers, which is more than they can say about any of the other teen legacy characters they shat out in in the 2010's
parker cuck, please. Parker is irrelevant. Miles is the spider-man of 21st century. Deal with it
Spider-punk is for Punk-devil
You guys were saying that ten years ago.
And he still has no stories or fans who read comics, else they wouldn't be fans.
I haven't been paying attention to spider-man lore but if your pic is miles, when did he become spawn spider-man?
It's Ben Reily. They made him evil for the final story he'd be appearing in because Marvel thought it would be a good send off for him.
The reason Marvel think Ben needs to leave is because Spider shit is too bloated and he had to go.
What's this?
Kith Launches Spider-Man 60th Anniversary Collection Alongside New Limited Edition Comic Book
In addition, check out the Spider-Man Pop-Up this Friday in New York!
It's an ad comic made in collaboration with KITH
They're collabing with Marvel on some merch for Spidey's 60th anniversary
In celebration of Spider-Man’s 60th Anniversary, Kith introduces an homage to the six decades of the Marvel Superhero, interpreted through the Kith lens. Archival artwork from the Spider-Man comics were used to create a collaborative collection of adults and kids apparel and accessories to showcase the evolution of the iconic character. Another element of this collaboration is a custom Spider-Man comic book that features a completely original storyline and artwork, along with some previews of upcoming unreleased Kith collections.
The limited-edition Marvel | Kith Spider-Man comic book celebrates the anniversary with an original story featuring Spider-Man as he tries to stop Doctor Octopus and his robot army from wreaking havoc on New York City. The comic also features cameos from other Marvel characters including Iron Man and Tinkerer, as well as Kith-founder Ronnie Fieg. The comic, written by Anthony Piper and drawn by Julian Shaw, with colors by Fabio Laporini and Fabio D’Auria, will first be released on Monday, July 11, and receive a second release coinciding with the launch of the full collection on Friday, July 15. The comic releases this Monday 7/11 at all Kith shops. It will also release as a bundle with our curated selection of vintage Spider-Man memorabilia. These items include figurines, comic books, illustrations, and more. By purchasing any of the memorabilia items, customers will receive an issue of the comic. The memorabilia will be sold online-only, and not available in-store.
>quesada is still listed as the president of marvel entertainment
that's all. I doubt it's canon to 616, so we can safely skip this
Tony called Peter by his first name so it definitely isn't 616