In all honesty, I don't know a character that has a bigger drop off from popularity. From comics, to movies to games. She somehow has failed in every aspect of media. I even see people avoid buying milk with her face on it. Why does Marvel keep her in shit? She clearly doesn't sell, just kill her off and replace her with anyone atp. Hell, Kamala Khan could be a better CM at this point.
>Hell, Kamala Khan could be a better CM at this point.
Kamala hasn't been good since they made her a gigantic Poochie.
You can easily say that about Carol
You can honestly tell someone behind the curtain is pushing this naggy old biddy real hard because they're a sweaty, drooling fanboy. It's the only way she could possibly be getting this much content while being a big fat fricking nothingburger.
Carol's the best character Marvel has and sells far better than Kamala.
I unironically (though how can I prove it) think she's a good character, it's just that she stops being a good character whenever someone decides that she is going to be Marvel's greatest female star, which keeps happening without bothering to wait for the audience to agree.
The fact that Wanda became their most popular female character completely organically, and it was a total surprise to the MCU that had already chosen to discard her to set up Young Avengers, sums up everything that's wrong with their approach to female characters. It was decreed we would love Carol and Kamala and want to see them both leading Avengers teams, and nobody bothered to wait and see if we actually loved them.
>I unironically (though how can I prove it) think she's a good character, it's just that she stops being a good character whenever someone decides that she is going to be Marvel's greatest female star, which keeps happening without bothering to wait for the audience to agree.
This is close to my notes. Another thing that Marvel can't stop doing to Carol is that they love to dump characters on her. Her supporting cast is made up of D-listers who can't sell a book on their own and whatever new character the writer created to be Carol's BFF.
This, but its something that happens beyond female characters and to all characters in general.
You don't tell people what to like, you do good shit and word of mouth does the rest of the work.
>The fact that Wanda became their most popular female character completely organically
I always summed it up to Elizabeth Olsen, not because they wanted to do the character justice.
What made Carol interesting is that she was a mess of a woman, with a bad childhood, drinking problems, and shit happening to her at every turn. She was the perpetual frick up, and trying to turn her into WW is like trying to turn Hulk into a Reddito-oh wait.
>moron can't read.
Good thing they aren't doing that and never were
As much as I loath that Dutchman, he's write. Wonder Woman is such an antidraw.
>We'd rather have a character who would actually sell
https://www.comicbookrevolution.com/october-2023-single-issue-comic-book-sales-rankings/
>Captain Marvel #1 completely flopped right out of the gate with an embarrassing debut failing to even make it in the Top 50 as it came in at the number 58 spot. Yes, this issue did ship in the last week of October. However, this issue was also bolstered by an eye-watering ELEVEN variant covers!
>Nobody other than a Marvel editor is surprised by Captain Marvel #1 bombing in its debut. Carol Danvers remains far more popular with Marvel editors than she has ever been with the consumer as Captain Marvel does not sell well. Add to that the fact that Alyssa Wong is the writer and Wong has never had any sales success on a mainstream superhero comic book. This title was doomed from the start. Maybe Captain Marvel will enjoy a nice rebound next month and turn into a strong seller. Grab your popcorn and we shall see how this title performs over the next several months.
>It does not get any better for Carol as we look at the other Captain Marvel titles that were published in October 2023. Captain Marvel: Dark Tempest #4 fell from the number 139 spot to the number 152 spot. I predicted that this five-issue mini-series was going to finish outside of the Top 150. That seems certain at this point.
>Captain Marvel: Assault On Eden #1 had a hideous debut barely even making the Top 200 by coming in at the number 185 spot. This one-shot special issue was designed to promote the upcoming MCU movie The Marvels. This is no surprise. I do not know anyone excited for The Marvels so I am not shocked that a comic book related to The Marvels tanked in the sales rankings.
>issue sold out immediately and went to second printing
casualgaters continue coping and seething
Like much of what this man has to say, it's disingenuous and playing semantics that they weren't trying to turn her into an exact copy of Wonder Woman, though they absolutely were trying to force her into a similar archetype role, and have her occupy a similar position in the hierarchy of Marvel heroes as Wonder Woman does in DC as their top heroine.
Daily reminder that this is the same jackass that has been pushing for ragebait for the past two decades. He is yet another tumor in the cancer-ridden company that is Marvel.
Big fricking words coming from somebody trying to shill a nobody people hate
But enough about DC and Wonder Woman.
Frick off, Brevoot.
>it's just that she stops being a good character whenever someone decides that she is going to be Marvel's greatest female star, which keeps happening without bothering to wait for the audience to agree.
This is a big part of Carol's problem, but it's far from just being a Carol problem. Nobody wants to wait for the audience to decide which characters are the popular ones, or ask them which characters they want to see get pushed, the creatives have already decided what's "meant to be popular", and they're not going to change direction or admit they were wrong.
Even the fans are guilty of it to an extent with live action adaptations of comics, we know which characters are popular in comics, so there's a mentality that wider audiences are obviously going to have the exact same likes and dislikes, which leads to nerds losing their minds when normies end up liking Guardians of the Galaxy more than X-Men or Aquaman more than Superman.
>The fact that Wanda became their most popular female character completely organically, and it was a total surprise to the MCU that had already chosen to discard her to set up Young Avengers, sums up everything that's wrong with their approach to female characters.
You can tell they still have no idea the magnitude of this colossal mistake because nobody's been fired for it yet. Nobody's been fired for The Marvels flopping either, and they really need someone to fall on their sword for that.
Sometimes casting the right person is everything, and they really lucked out there, especially considering she wasn't even their first choice. But she wasn't "supposed" to get popular, so they never had any plans beyond just destroying her "because it happens in the comics". It's probably already too late to fix this, the moment has been lost.
>She somehow
Feige and Disney's woke writers at the newly bought Marvel comics, destroyed Carol Danvers' soul, ruined her body and then removed her breasts, ass and everything that made her feminine and athletic, then only called the worst artists those who would never draw her sexy and to close the coffin, only the worst and woke writers worked and helped to sink a good job done for more than 40 years, it was wonderful to see the response of women in comics, tv and movies they hated it
and Feige's dreadful work went down in history and showed the world his zero creative talent
Carol can rock any outfit and look sexy.
Pic unrelated
>Gay homie alert.
troony alert
Post the year this was made. 🙂
>I-It doesn't count because because-
Cope.
Seethe.
Dial 8.
I accept your concession, you don't read comics.
Says the no comics reading Caroltroony
The full body suit could be workable
That hairdo absolutely cannot though
To be honest, I think the swimsuit wouldn't work either in live action. Reminder that comics are for a small niche while movies are for everyone. Maybe a skirt could help. It's feminine and cute and it's been proved already
She was never popular at all. Her most notable appearance for years was being in a coma so Rogue could take her powers.
She was just forced after the MCU started so they could have a female character. She's the same as the Inhumans were.
She was in a coma for a single page casualgay.
And that was the only thing anyone knew about het
>In all honesty, I don't know a character that has a bigger drop off from popularity.
she was only ever "popular" as Ms. Marvel
she was completely and totally forced as Captain Marvel during her dyke short haircut era
the movie bombing is an utter indictment against the character, and she'll likely be buried hard (similar to Inhumans and F4 after their flops)
>she was only ever "popular" as Ms. Marvel
She wasn't.
I meant relatively. She never had a core concept that stuck, but the black suit era was when she was at least seen as hot
>In all honesty, I don't know a character that has a bigger drop off from popularity
You need to have something for it to drop off. Carol had the biggest possible push for a character and failed in every conceivable way.
Why do we keep having Tuesday Carol threads?
Because Carol is the best
Two mentally ill trannies make them every week and send Cinemaphile mods nudes to keep them from being deleted.
moronic fans. I thought they are satire at first.
I'm glad this is the only version of carol I know since I haven't seen the movies
Most animated Carols, even recent ones, are way better than the MCU one.
Hot take; EMH was better than JLI.
Extra Carolthread nice.
She was never particularly popular just extremely forced by the company.
Carol was never popular to begin with. She coasted on the MCU hype train at its peak, only to crash and burn the moment the hype evaporated. She's the definition of a forced character.
For Carol to have had a drop off in popularity she would've needed to have had popularity in the first place. Look at her career in comics; the thing she's most famous for is being in a coma.
>but her movie made a billion dollars!
It's blatantly clear now that was due to being sandwiched between the two Infinity War movies and made out to be required watching.
Addendum: I forgot the rape thing. A coma and the rape thing.
>the thing she's most famous for is being in a coma.
amongst Cinemaphilegays sure. Ask a normal person and they wouldn't even know because nobody reads comics.
As far as MCU Carol goes specifically I think she's ridiculously mishandled because she seems almost specifically designed to be as remote or unrelatable as possible.
She spends her appearances largely in deep space or with amnesia and disconnected both physically and emotionally to the larger MCU. Even Star Lord had "I'm from earth and my mom had cancer" to ground him for the audience.
Carol on the other hand has the Eternals issue of all those MCU problems like Loki and Ultron and Thanos happened she was just conveniently away and staying out of it but we're suppose to root for her anyway because she's so stunning and brave and perfect.
You know, its funny. The producers for the Captain Marvel movie stated that Carol Danvers is way too similar to Hal Jordan, so they sought to make the movie the opposite of Green Lantern 2011. So while Hal's movie bombed, his [Geoff Johns] run is still strong. Carol is the opposite; movie was a hit, but for the last near decade has had no event, villains or memorable cast.
pitch what you wished the Ms.Marvel movie was about and have it still connected to the marvel universe. I don't really know much about her but I'm fascinated by how many anons sincerely love her as a character
The first movie was great no notes
Second movie could've been about a Shi'Ar invasion like Galactic Storm (it had Carol restarting a sun after all)
>Has one of the longest runs in the last 20 years.
Okay homosexual.
A run that sold like shit
Probably kept alive because it would look bad for Disney
>Ms. Marvel Vol 2 had 50 issues because people back then bought the comic out of writing merit and pure dedication to the character and narrative with sales at a steady incline/plateaued sales.
>Captain Marvel Vol 10 forced 50 issues out its shitter to "prove the chuds wrong", regardless of (shitty) sales.
Your a special kind of moronic, aren't ya?
>I even see people avoid buying milk with her face on it.
Why is her face on milk? Is she missing?
she won btw
WW will always be superior because she is in the public consciousness forever
Everyone knows who she is even if they never read a comic or watched a TV show with her in it
Normies didn't know or care who Carol was before 2018 and they don't care anymore
>WW will always be superior because she is in the public consciousness forever
Means jackshit when she's always the third wheel to Batman and Superman.
What's worse is that Marvel HAS WW-level popular characters, but no, they choose shitty-ass Carol. Hell, even Storm went up against WW...AND WON.
Marvel went out of their way to damage the X-Men brand so that it wouldn't step on the toes of the MCU. Now that the MCU is dying they want to try to walk that back.
>Marvel went out of their way to damage the X-Men brand so that it wouldn't step on the toes of the MCU.
They'd let "star writers" do too much damage to it before the MCU was ever a thing, anon. Much of what you attribute to malice was accomplished through incompetence and pandering to the most insane parts of the fandom.
>Now that the MCU is dying they want to try to walk that back.
It's more like they're simultaneously trying to push it as a big deal while doubling down on everything about it that alienates normal people.
Let's be honest, as much as Stormgays celebrate that win, the Marvel vs DC vote was X-Men fandom vs Wonder Woman fandom, it would have worked out the same way whichever member of the team they put against her.
But as popular as Rogue, Storm and Jean were in the 90s, they haven't sustained that popularity, and Disney aren't going to push them in solo movies because none of them have any history of solo success. There's this weird narrative that the MCU's ability to push female characters suffered because Fox had all Marvel's best heroines, but every heroine Fox had was known for being part of an ensemble team cast, none of them were solo stars.
She won jackshit.
She won.
See this? This is the amount of good stories WW has gotten since becoming ingrained in the public consciousness.
That's also the amount of good stories Carol has.
Wonder Woman has a head start on Carol by a few decades and WW2.
And she's more well known and loved than Carol will ever be.
Meaningless in the grand scheme of things considering WW has no good comics. At least you can say CM made two billie despite her trash comics.
>2 billie
So Caroltrannies are rewriting history now? Kek
Sorry, three billie considering the only reason anybody watched Endgame is Carol
Don't care if normies have bad taste. The Marvels was great and Carol is the best.
It's because modern feminism. Most people consider the current wave of feminism as toxic, misandric and only focused on resentment and pity to get sympathy and power.
Of course Carol, a proclaimed "feminist icon" will be frowned by sane people who are not into radical feminism and are not very political.
There was never a drop off, because she was never popular to begin with.
Look at old sales numbers. Her comics have ALWAYS sold poorly, from the 70s all the way to the 2020s and every decade in between.
The seething and cope from Carol anons now that the movie is a certified megaflop that proves how propped up the first movie was is truly wonderful. Especially after all the shit they talked to Antbros for years.
>Especially after all the shit they talked to Antbros for years.
>This line actually became real
Pottery
I'm just gonna make my own Carol comics and make these frickers gimme a cease and desist. My girl deserves better and I'm gonna give it to her.
Carol could put the old costume on and Cinemaphile still wouldn't read her comics because nobody likes female heroes.
She was never popular to begin with and her sales have always reflected that. The only thing that's changed is that she's gone from being a character that no one liked to a character that everyone HATES.
Does this mean the real Captain Marvel can get his name back?
Ha ha no. Even if Marvel gave up on Carol completely they'd either bring back one of their other Captains Marvel or create a new one, they'll never give up the rights to the name.
Just like they're still desperately hanging onto Miracleman long after anyone still gave a shit about Miracleman
Frick DC comics for their bullshit.
Ms. Marvel has never been popular. Never.
See you for Tuesday thread Carolchads
Featuring: Jess
I don't like Jess.
>So assblasted he leaves the thread after calling himself a chad
Lol!
a female artist who is afraid to make sexy women in sexy poses in a comic book intended for men, disney doesn't even know who buys these comics they think they're making for women and little girls, what a management of idiots and one by one all these woke dyke feminist comics are canceled, ms marvel, captain marvel, wasp, wanda
Was she ever really truly popular? I didn’t know ms marvel even existed until I played that one ultimate alliance game
Blame Kelly Sue DeConnick for stripping away everything that made her appealing and using the character to vent her personal grievances against society.
I blame the editors more than anything honestly. They're absolutely fine with pushing generic plots and characters month after month.
Except that didn't happen and KSD's run was great
>KSD's run was great
>KSD's run was great
you're talking about Bendis, at least KSD remembered Carol had a military career
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No (you) for bait that obvious, homosexual
Anon, caroltrannies are unironically that delusional