>le steak pls, I love life without hardships or purpose, it's heckin awesome! >Pod, 10 hours a day of work AND a heckin bug ribeye that tastes almost like processed bologna? SIGN ME UP, I HAVE PIERCED BEYOND THE VEIL AND GIVING UP IS MATURE
>No I won't put food on the table for my family because it might make money for someone else and I wouldn't get to sit at home jacking off all day and watching haram anime!
if you agree with him, then you acknowledge that israelites are always in the right, and that goyim will always be moronic cattle that consoom the slop no matter how much they may hate it (see: Cinemaphile)
>deal goes through >cypher gets plugged back in >smith makes him a 35 year old loser who works at arbys and lives with his mom
He was risking an awful lot with no assurance it would pay off
I figured it wouldn't simply because I tought the matrix would be totally transient. Like there are no real people in there, but there are so it's totally moot. It's matrices all the way down.
So what would compell the machines to be honest with this guy? If he succeeded, whats stopping the machines from just turning him into bum that everyone thinks is crazy?
The robots showed they weren't capable of lying. Well except smith. But Smith was something else. Did cypher have a deal directly with smith or was it another agent?
I see two reasons they wouldn't.
A. It's actuallt impossible to put people back(why would it be though if people who escape go back all the time for whatever reason?)
B. Since he was broken out before his mind is already susceptible to seeing through the programming and they just kill him or turn him to meat paste to cycle to the other human batteries instead of trying to put him back in
If you consider how bad the "real world" in the movie is, staying in the Matrix actually makes more sense. There is nothing to fight for anyway, what use is being free on a completely desolate planet?
The point of the movie is that 'the real world' is just the matrix as well, but the architect has to make 'the real world' because his creation neo is too advanced to ever accept that reality and they have to make the new one to keep him entertained. All of it is the matrix and it's all real and fake at the same time. So it doesn't matter what you choose because you will choose whatever you're going to choose anyway. That's why Neo wins by giving in instead of just fighting the world around him, and then they start over with a new neo and repeat the process of ascending consciousnesses to the
>what use is being free on a completely desolate planet?
because you're actually free, and could possibly rebuild, or atleast die trying.
Whereas being """"""free""""""' under oppression is antithetical to living/existence
What I meant is, the simulation was so good you didn't feel any of that. If our life is also a simulation of some sort, hypothetically speaking, you can't tell. The Matrix was that. Then you died, and your body gets decomposed or whatever, seems fair
>"real" could also be fake, so might as well just enjoy fake because atleast it's "real"
oy vey
8 months ago
Anonymous
Can you point to reality? Is it in the room with us?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Humans innately want to feel free and happy.
When met with forces that change these states, we are also, innately opposed to them on a primordial level.
The Matrix is a literal, physical representation of that opposition.
So objectively, the Matrix is in direct opposition to humanity, so it's objectively bad.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>conflating humanity with freedom
Some people are NPCs/goyim who only wanna serve. Not everyone would choose "freedom" if it meant living with a bunch of Black folk post "humanity" eating jizz goo rice every day in caves. >hey at least you have the freedom to choose itchy wool sweater one or itchy wool sweater two! >At least we are free and not working for the machines/mr shekelbergstein
Did you know some slaves after the civil war ended didn't want to be free? Some even begged their masters to stay because they had it better as slaves than spear chucking loin cloth wearing running from lions every day ass former lives.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Some people are NPCs/goyim who only wanna serve. >Did you know some slaves after the civil war ended didn't want to be free?
Their humanity was merely undermined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
8 months ago
Anonymous
>conflating being taken hostage at gunpoint during a bank robbery >>with being paid by all your needs to live being fulfilled
8 months ago
Anonymous
Please explain the misapplication.
(Because there isn't one for both cases).
8 months ago
Anonymous
>one is a glorified pet who most of the time doesn't know they are a pet >the other is a hostage in a bank rooting for the guy threatening them and their society with a gun
One is ignorantly living in bliss and the other is a fricking traitor.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The historical moment that defined and popularized the physiological effect is irrelevant here, we're talking about the effect itself.
Both NPCs and slaves suffer from the same one. >A hostage's development of positive feelings towards the captor
Matrix & NPCS: "Our masters give us everything we need, so they're fine!" >No previous relationship between hostage and captor
self-evident >A refusal by hostages to cooperate with police and other government authorities
Matrix & NPCS: Both will defend and argue for their masters, against people trying to help them. >A hostage's belief in the humanity of the captor, ceasing to perceive them as a threat, when the victim holds the same values as the aggressor
Matrix & NPCS: Being so deep in the effects, that both the matrix and slavery are more ideal than any other "reality".
It's extremely apt and applies for both, in every way.
the movies fail to convince me that the matrix is a bad place.
are the machines so evil for letting us live in a normal world with normal hardships?
the only thing I can imagine is that the Wachowkis meant for us to interpret the matrix as a world of suffering, but they fail to convey that on screen, probably because they never had to deal with true hardship. They think that having an butthole boss is a life of struggle.
Aren't you just a rebel without a cause. The reality of The Matrix was objectively superior to the "real world." What was the end goal again? Gain freedom from the machines.... and then rebuild a society that inevitably becomes identical to the matrix? Lmao!
things didnt end well for him
He died free by his own choices
If he was smart enough to make sure the people he zapped were dead, he would have won.
If you're not a neo when you're young you have no heart, if you're not a cypher when you're old you have no brain.
>le steak pls, I love life without hardships or purpose, it's heckin awesome!
>Pod, 10 hours a day of work AND a heckin bug ribeye that tastes almost like processed bologna? SIGN ME UP, I HAVE PIERCED BEYOND THE VEIL AND GIVING UP IS MATURE
>le "i enjoy suffering without purpose because there has to be some payoff...right??" face
The payoff is the satisfaction of overcoming and taming something as powerful and primordial, as the human spirit.
where do I cash that in?
jupiter, where your diseased energy is going
>he doesnt know
Enjoy three kalpas worth of torment, arch-heretic
nobody cares, and nobody will look at you and go "wow this guy overcame and tamed his powerful and primordial human spirit", they just see a loser
>No I won't put food on the table for my family because it might make money for someone else and I wouldn't get to sit at home jacking off all day and watching haram anime!
>haram
*freud intensifies*
living in a pod and work are hardships though
you have no heart if you ever pick cypher. what good is a brain if you're a coward and die as one.
if you agree with him, then you acknowledge that israelites are always in the right, and that goyim will always be moronic cattle that consoom the slop no matter how much they may hate it (see: Cinemaphile)
>if you leave the matrix, you won't consume slop
dig in piggy
>deal goes through
>cypher gets plugged back in
>smith makes him a 35 year old loser who works at arbys and lives with his mom
He was risking an awful lot with no assurance it would pay off
>smith makes him a 35 year old loser who works at arbys and lives with his mom
still an improvement from his other shit life
Even as a kid I realised life in the Matrix would be preferable to living on a ship with a bunch of bald Black folk eating slop all day.
I figured it wouldn't simply because I tought the matrix would be totally transient. Like there are no real people in there, but there are so it's totally moot. It's matrices all the way down.
So what would compell the machines to be honest with this guy? If he succeeded, whats stopping the machines from just turning him into bum that everyone thinks is crazy?
The robots showed they weren't capable of lying. Well except smith. But Smith was something else. Did cypher have a deal directly with smith or was it another agent?
I see two reasons they wouldn't.
A. It's actuallt impossible to put people back(why would it be though if people who escape go back all the time for whatever reason?)
B. Since he was broken out before his mind is already susceptible to seeing through the programming and they just kill him or turn him to meat paste to cycle to the other human batteries instead of trying to put him back in
>And I want a big titty goth gf
If you consider how bad the "real world" in the movie is, staying in the Matrix actually makes more sense. There is nothing to fight for anyway, what use is being free on a completely desolate planet?
The point of the movie is that 'the real world' is just the matrix as well, but the architect has to make 'the real world' because his creation neo is too advanced to ever accept that reality and they have to make the new one to keep him entertained. All of it is the matrix and it's all real and fake at the same time. So it doesn't matter what you choose because you will choose whatever you're going to choose anyway. That's why Neo wins by giving in instead of just fighting the world around him, and then they start over with a new neo and repeat the process of ascending consciousnesses to the
>what use is being free on a completely desolate planet?
because you're actually free, and could possibly rebuild, or atleast die trying.
Whereas being """"""free""""""' under oppression is antithetical to living/existence
But Matrix wasn't about being oppressed. It was about living the kind of life that we live now, except it was just a simulation.
>wasn't about being oppressed
you were literally in bio-pods being harvested.
What I meant is, the simulation was so good you didn't feel any of that. If our life is also a simulation of some sort, hypothetically speaking, you can't tell. The Matrix was that. Then you died, and your body gets decomposed or whatever, seems fair
>"real" could also be fake, so might as well just enjoy fake because atleast it's "real"
oy vey
Can you point to reality? Is it in the room with us?
Humans innately want to feel free and happy.
When met with forces that change these states, we are also, innately opposed to them on a primordial level.
The Matrix is a literal, physical representation of that opposition.
So objectively, the Matrix is in direct opposition to humanity, so it's objectively bad.
>conflating humanity with freedom
Some people are NPCs/goyim who only wanna serve. Not everyone would choose "freedom" if it meant living with a bunch of Black folk post "humanity" eating jizz goo rice every day in caves.
>hey at least you have the freedom to choose itchy wool sweater one or itchy wool sweater two!
>At least we are free and not working for the machines/mr shekelbergstein
Did you know some slaves after the civil war ended didn't want to be free? Some even begged their masters to stay because they had it better as slaves than spear chucking loin cloth wearing running from lions every day ass former lives.
>Some people are NPCs/goyim who only wanna serve.
>Did you know some slaves after the civil war ended didn't want to be free?
Their humanity was merely undermined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
>conflating being taken hostage at gunpoint during a bank robbery
>>with being paid by all your needs to live being fulfilled
Please explain the misapplication.
(Because there isn't one for both cases).
>one is a glorified pet who most of the time doesn't know they are a pet
>the other is a hostage in a bank rooting for the guy threatening them and their society with a gun
One is ignorantly living in bliss and the other is a fricking traitor.
The historical moment that defined and popularized the physiological effect is irrelevant here, we're talking about the effect itself.
Both NPCs and slaves suffer from the same one.
>A hostage's development of positive feelings towards the captor
Matrix & NPCS: "Our masters give us everything we need, so they're fine!"
>No previous relationship between hostage and captor
self-evident
>A refusal by hostages to cooperate with police and other government authorities
Matrix & NPCS: Both will defend and argue for their masters, against people trying to help them.
>A hostage's belief in the humanity of the captor, ceasing to perceive them as a threat, when the victim holds the same values as the aggressor
Matrix & NPCS: Being so deep in the effects, that both the matrix and slavery are more ideal than any other "reality".
It's extremely apt and applies for both, in every way.
he just took a shitty approach. all he had to do was ask mouse to make him an awesome program to hang out in. imagine the possibilities
honestly the matrix seems like a huge logistical nightmare. like how do they even go about people having kids?
As in growing the physical amount of human batteries?
I doubt it's much of a challenge considering what they currently have.
the movies fail to convince me that the matrix is a bad place.
are the machines so evil for letting us live in a normal world with normal hardships?
the only thing I can imagine is that the Wachowkis meant for us to interpret the matrix as a world of suffering, but they fail to convey that on screen, probably because they never had to deal with true hardship. They think that having an butthole boss is a life of struggle.
Matrix is about gnosticism.
reminder that anyone who sides with cypher is either pro-troony or about to become a troony
>Tomorrow I can be on time but you'll be stupid forever
Cyphergays are literal NPCs like they actually take pride in having "grown up" (ie having been buckbroken by life) LMAO
Aren't you just a rebel without a cause. The reality of The Matrix was objectively superior to the "real world." What was the end goal again? Gain freedom from the machines.... and then rebuild a society that inevitably becomes identical to the matrix? Lmao!
matrix is nwo subversive propaganda https://youtu.be/CFTmiAx7R48?si=lX89bn1Kn7TiyoU5
I would have stayed in the Matrix but I would not have lived in Zion.
This is a psyop thread and you're speaking to government agents. Stop engaging with it right now.