...do you think he had human-level intellect? After all, he did move Jones' cage and hide on the escape shuttle.
It do you think he was always just a big ass killer insect?
In the context of the original film "Alien"...
...do you think he had human-level intellect? After all, he did move Jones' cage and hide on the escape shuttle.
It do you think he was always just a big ass killer insect?
It’s probably as smart as an orca I’d say
This
It was clever but it’s still an animal driven by instinct.
> he did move Jones' cage and hide on the escape shuttle.
Bugs do that and more, silk worms weave silk cocoon, spiders web they can paraglide with, salmons that live in the sea somehow remember which river to swim up and spawn -- that's not our level intellect, not till the hybrid with Ripley.
>the hybrid with Ripley
Honestly that thing seemed moronic. Smart as the xeno in Alien at best
its different enough to where you can't compare the type of intelligence it has to a human, so its sort of a meaningless question. if you're asking if he can figure things out and learn, then it seems so.
I like the idea that they are short lived and it was so slow at the end because it was dying
What do you mean by "human level intellect?" I think the alien had extremely advanced problem solving skills, but I don't think it had the same kind of frontal lobe we have. I mean, by the definition of the word "alien," I think that's obvious. All we know is that we saw it be very smart.
I don't think it wondered about the meaning of life, but it was very intelligent. In fact, I think musing about the meaning of life might actually be a DEFECT in humans, while the perfect organism wouldn't waste time on that.
Peter Watts, is that you?
alien sexo
It had no great intellect or it would have just taken the escape vehicle.
Are you so stupid as to miss the entire point of the movie? Which was to wonder what would alien life be like if instead of them being vastly intellectually superior as we always imagine, they’re just vastly physically superior instead?
lol the idea that that is 'the entire point of the movie' is wild.
It’s the concept Ridley Scott based it on
no it isn't
How in the wild world of shit is that the "point" of the movie, ya dingus?
Ash implied it was intelligent, but maybe more in an "evolved (or bred) for killing" kind of way. I don't think it would appreciate Shakespeare or Mozart, but it could sure as shit figure out how to survive and kill anything around it. But it was also selective enough to leave Jones alone. Aside from Ripley the crew didn't give it much of a challenge. Then Cameron decided to make it a dumb bug so we'll never know unless future media explores it.
It’s pretty common knowledge. There’d been plenty of alien invasion movies that showed how horrifying it would be if they aliens turned out to be technologically super advanced but wanted to kill us. Scott flipped the trope on its head, by having humans stumble into an alien life form and it being a threat, but instead of it being super advanced technologically it’s simply a beast that is overwhelmingly physically superior. That hadn’t been done before and made his vision of “the Texas chainsaw massacre but in space”.
None of this is particularly obscure or hard to understand.
go type in xenomorph into wikipedia and read about its conception instead of imagining something and then thinking thats the point of the movie.
>Unlike many other extraterrestrial races in film and television science fiction (such as the Daleks and Cybermen in Doctor Who, or the Klingons and Borg in Star Trek), the Xenomorphs are not sapient toolmakers—they lack a technological civilization of any kind, and are instead primal, predatory creatures with no higher goal than the preservation and propagation of their own species by any means necessary, up to and including the elimination of other lifeforms that may pose a threat to their existence
Dipshit
thats a description. i said read about the conception. you argued this was the point, the reasoning for the movie itself. its not, no one is arguing the xenomorph isn't a strong bug. you're confused
dipshit
*movie has themes of corporate greed, AI deception, sexual fears, isolation, invasiveness, helplessness, claustrophobia, abject horror, confusion and paranoia*
>its about what if alien was strong.
I always saw alien drones as having like the intellect of a really smart dog, or a dolphin. If they were truly smart, that alien would have just ran through the ship killing people at-will. There was no reason to run and hide and kill them one at a time, like a stalker or hunter or anything. He had the clear physical advantage and they had frick-all in the way of weapons. Perhaps the drones had like a 65 IQ. They are obviously never doing math or solving complex problems, or using complex language.
The guys who made the first movie had a bunch of ideas for what the aliens were like, what made them tick, how smart they were, etc. They never actually settled on a definitive answer for any of those questions, even behind the scenes, and this ambiguity probably inadvertently enhanced the movie's vibe.
Well I consider the Darkhorse comics especially the early ones to be as close to the spirit of Alien and Aliens while being outside the film. They eventually reveil a large portion of their large heads to be devoted to a telepathic organ that lets them communicate with their hive and also see. They see the psychic impression left by other sentient beings and fear gives the strongest attraction. This explains much of the more peculiar parts of xenomorph behavior especially in Alien. It was playing with its food basking in the glow of their fear. It goes on to explain that drone or warrior xenomorph behavior is individually governed by a series of simple rules but larger movements are conducted through telepathic links with a queen or each other.
xenomorphs are the final stage of human evolution
so we were made just to be alien wombs?
no more likely just engineers that went 'frick you that shits weird' and decided to go live on some rock with no advanced biotech
It was definitely more than a big ass killer insect that hack Cameron turned it into.
>James Cameron
>hack
Take it you’re not a movie fan
I like Aliens and Avatar, I don't like what he's done to the alien.
he was a coomer!
>According to Sir Ridley Scott in the DVD commentary, he had envisioned a moment in the ending scenes of Ripley and the Alien in the space shuttle, in which Ripley had stripped down completely, and the Alien would be sexually aroused by her. Scott says that in the scene, after Ripley hides in the closet, the Alien would find her, and would be staring at her through the glass door. The Alien would then start touching itself as if comparing its body to Ripley's. The idea was eventually scrapped.
and he got lucky the film wasn't a total shit
>This movie was originally scripted to end with Ripley escaping the Nostromo in her shuttle, and the Alien dying on board the Nostromo. Sir Ridley Scott thought this ending was way too simplistic, so he negotiated with the studio for an additional half a million dollar budget and a week of filming to add a "fourth act" to the movie, showing how the Alien had stowed away aboard the shuttle. Scott initially envisioned a very dark ending where Ripley tries to flush the Alien out, but the creature climbs back into the shuttle; Ripley harpoons it, but it makes no difference: it runs towards her, slams through her masks, and rips her head off. It would then sit in her chair, and start mimicking Captain Dallas' voice, saying "I'm signing off, hopefully the network will pick me up." Twentieth Century Fox wasn't too pleased: according to Scott, while pitching this idea over the phone, there was a long and uncomfortable silence. Within fourteen hours, a studio executive arrived, threatening to fire him on the spot unless he changed the ending to one where the Alien would die. Scott later admitted that allowing Ripley to live was the better ending.
damn that ending is amazing. i want to see it. that would be so crazy i'd honestly love it
>start mimicking Captain Dallas' voice, saying "I'm signing off, hopefully the network will pick me up."
im the anon who said the aliens are the final stage of humans and even I think thats just stupid
>Within fourteen hours, a studio executive arrived, threatening to fire him on the spot unless he changed the ending
Around here we complain a lot about studio meddling, often for good reason, but this scenario or some variation of it has probably saved countless movies from directors/writers who got a little too carried away. You can see when a director gets too big to rein in, like modern Ridley or prequel era Lucas, that having no suits to hold their leash can be just as bad as excessive meddling and focus grouping.
yes, but probably countless other films have been ruined by people meddling in things they dont understand
>according to Scott, while pitching this idea over the phone, there was a long and uncomfortable silence
my sides
Damn, even the first Alien movie was ruined by studio Black folk...