woke mind virus can't make good stuff.
for the plot to work they had to tear down mr incredible. the opening "action scene" was such a betrayal of his character and the entire movie was a betrayal of the message of the first movie that the family works best together.
>it was surprising at all he could come up with an coherent movie to begin with.
He didn't, the "moral center" of the first movie makes no sense >when everybody is a super, no one will be >Dash being allowed to be himself and win the school race, but just by a little bit?
holy shit
why does this keep happening
every single time i like a piece of media i come across the most simple, innocuous, tiniest criticism and i see how the whole thing falls apart and i lose all interest
frick
Helen is not MC material and has never been, she's the only character who doesn't go through an arc in the first movie and then you try to have that bland as sin character carry a movie on her own
what? she definitely had an arc. she went from nagging at bob for wanting to play hero to doing it with him
They're still ironing off the details for the supers pardon by the president so he had to contain his powers to hide his secret ability
that being said Syndrome did nothing wrong by wanting to share his invention to the world
>woke mind virus can't make good stuff. >for the plot to work they had to tear down [male protagonist] >was such a betrayal of his character >a betrayal of the message of the first movie
Every time.
Do some research, buttholes.
It sucked because Sneedsney cut a lot of production time by changing their release calendar, so they had to rush to get it done, and rushed scripts usually suck.
>rushed scripts usually suck
Toy Story 4 was given an additional year in production (at Incredibles 2's expense) and that movie was still garbage.
Being rushed had nothing to do with it here. They were just awful scripts.
Genuinely shocked to see most of the thread agreeing with this. Usually there'd be more kvetchng from the usual leftypol types that someone's blaming something other than "late stage capitalism"
Incredibles 2 was fake woke like Velma. All the new diversity heroes were clueless dopes being used by media hustlers using Helen to push their agenda. Bob was completely sidelined. The children's problems were handwaved and Lucius pretty much was the only other competent hero and his feats in the movie were OP af. The Parrs were as unnecessary as the sequel.
>for the plot to work they had to tear down mr incredible. the opening "action scene" was such a betrayal of his character and the entire movie was a betrayal of the message of the first movie that the family works best together.
Yeah, that's a bit true. I mean, Mr. Incredible getting whooped because Underminer had like jackhammer gloves doesn't make much sense. Like I'm just those gloves could have pounded through steel and concrete but Incredible is way, way stronger than that.
There was some gold in the shit like how there was a theme of progress changing society and the Supers being stuck in the wake of that. In this one the idea that society is blaming Supers again and how the solution they find is to have their adventures recorded and monetized because society now wants more information but also to experience the lives of a Super as a form of entertainment. That its not the government this time as it is corporations and the public affected by the market.
Oh would you shut the frick up you idiot. Not everything is "le culture war" bullshit it sucked because the twist villain was bad and the plot stinked not because le gays or da joos or anything literally eat shit
>have Incredibles work as a team for the movie >adversity comes from them trying to properly develop working together and balancing life >also show social change and backlash as subplot as well as mixed reaction from supers
It’s that easy, they didn’t need to make a movie where Helen just does what Bob did in the first one only without Syndromes evolving machine shit.
You're really going to ignore the fiasco that was the 2 former presidents before the 2016 elections, won't you? >President Barack Obama awarded with the Nobel prize of peace on 2009
Obama was so much better then trump and while bush was awful most of the country agreed on that fact and wasnt pushed insane to alt right insanity or over polticial correctness on the left
With the flop of the marvels I feel like people is getting tired of this feminist anti male discourse.
I hope they realize soon that nobody likes this third wave feminism anti-men messages in movies and decide to course correct, but this is Disney so who knows.
>people is getting tired of this feminist anti male discourse
People are getting tired of sucky movies that are clearly lazy passionless cash-grabs. Full stop.
Not everything needs to be a culture war talking point.
>I watched a Youtube video >Better go to Cinemaphile and immediately make an entire thread so I can know if I can agree with it or not!
I'm tired of this script.
This.
Also deciding to not actually do a time skip, which everyone wanted. Should have revolved more around the kids as young adults, with the parents being semi retired.
Unpopular opinion, but a sequel with a time skip (at least one that's over three years) immediately after the first movie would have been a bad idea. Violet and Dash would have just been clones of Flash and Sue Storm. The only one who would have benefited from a timeskip is Jack Jack. There are potential stories to tell about the parr children when there are young heroes still learning the ropes.
Helen is not MC material and has never been, she's the only character who doesn't go through an arc in the first movie and then you try to have that bland as sin character carry a movie on her own
It took a movie about family where none of the characters really stood out on their own and made it almost exclusively about the mom and benched the rest of the family.
There really isn't any way to make that work. Also it took 15 fricking years to come out which is always a bad sign with a big corporate movie.
Screenslaver is a good concept for a villain too. A human that sees the presence of supers making humans weaker and less necessary is an interesting concept to explore
That has never been Lex. His motivation has always been simple jealousy of never measuring up to Superman
Lex's motivation has always been pie.
And that's terrible.
Holy fricking casual
Lex was at first just a bad person, no motivation given outside of being a crininal
Then he was motivated by the usual Villain Revenge until the late 1950s
Then he was given an origin in Superboy that made Superboy somewhat responsible for the loss of Lex's hair
Then Byrne Lex was motivated by not being able to manipulate or use superman at all
Johns Lex was motivated by petty jealousy of how special and beloved Superman was.
The whole >I just want to uplift humanity but that damn alien keeps getting in the way!
was always the excuse for behavior and get out of legal trouble statement that did not appear until the late 90s. And it was always only the excuse given after he was caught or defeatted.
Honestly I had forgotten how lethal the first Incredibles was.
>Bob chucks a rock at a guard's head on a ledge with superstrength, probably kills him instantly but even if he didn't, he falls 40 feet onto his head. >Multiple henchmen get the frick blown out of them crashing their buzz saw saucers. >Montage of Supers getting slaughtered by cape malfunctions. >Syndrome laughing about blowing up Bob's entire family. >"Man, Bob is serious about snapping Mirage's neck, he's not joking." >Finds skeletons of dead supers killed by Syndrome. >Watch Syndrome die sucked into a jet engine.
Did anyone die in Incredibles 2 other than Dad CEO?
>All the disasters were foiled by Elastigirl, even then they were all choreographed by Screen Slaver, so we don't know if anyone was really gonna die. >CEO Dad dies in a flashback, even then was pretty much a dumb person death. >Even the villain lives.
Just didn't have the bite of the first one, first one went to some dark places with straight up murder and a metaphor for divorce/midlife crisis/affair and weird objectivist pandering. Second one was 'muh individuality'.
>Yeah the first movie doesn't frick around.
Did you watch the first movie? Every scene with Syndrome was him fricking around. But yes the Sequel has no bite at all.
>weird objectivist pandering
This was very satisfying to watch when I noticed it. It's so good to see a moral perspective that isn't the standard college educated progressivism in a major American movie, even if it's not my personal taste.
>Just didn't have the bite of the first one
Not even remotely; the older I get and the more movies I watch I appreciate just how fricking good the Incredibles is.
If they make an incredibles 3, I thought of a scene where Bob and Lucius come home after bowling only to find tired helen stretched all over the living room and we see Jack Jack in monster form chewing on her leg like how a dog chews on a garden house. helen would like something like this cover
I wouldn’t fully trust Dazz on anything. He’s one of those channels that knows constant negativity gets more clicks. (IMO it’s a lousy sequel with tons of missed potential, but it’s so fuggin easy to figure out that I don’t need 10 videos to tell me what went wrong.)
I hate his moronic thumbnail gimmick. Caps locking some buzzword from his "titles worded like THIS..." and hiding it behind part of the image, especially that one where it randomly goes behind one eye of a character.
It's so annoyingly autistic I refuse to click on any videos.
Read Violet's diary on Internet Archive. Most of it is just the movie told from Violet's point of view, but does reveal some some things.
The family has moved eight times
Bob always talking about the glory days and Dash fanboying about it.
Violet constantly talks bad about Dash, Bob and super heroes, at least until she becomes a supeerhero herself
Helen not allowing Violet or Dash into Bob's hero room.
Violet using her powers to trap Dash in the bathroom for an hour for reading her diary and tripping a schoolgirl with her force field who was with Tony
Read Violet's diary on Internet Archive. Most of it is just the movie told from Violet's point of view, but does reveal some some things.
The family has moved eight times
Bob always talking about the glory days and Dash fanboying about it.
Violet constantly talks bad about Dash, Bob and super heroes, at least until she becomes a supeerhero herself
Helen not allowing Violet or Dash into Bob's hero room.
Violet using her powers to trap Dash in the bathroom for an hour for reading her diary and tripping a schoolgirl with her force field who was with Tony
I have this headcannon that Bob and Helen didn't tell Violet they were supers until she was four or five, when her powers went off during her first day of school. This would explain why she's been bitter most of her life.
>Link to Violet's Diary because anon doesn't know how to internet
https://archive.org/details/incrediblesviole0000dung
Or better yet, here's a de-DRMed downloadable version: >The Incredibles - Violet's Diary
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I have this headcannon that Bob and Helen didn't tell Violet they were supers until she was four or five, when her powers went off during her first day of school. This would explain why she's been bitter most of her life.
Pixar should do a second sequel or tv series that focuses on Violet. Have it be darker, more emotional and show Bob and Helen realizing how untrustworthy they have been to their kids..
I'd just take an Incredibles series in general. I think there are enough stories to go around for all the characters. Violet is my favorite, but I'd hesitate to advocate for a full series featuring her as lead. I think they'd run out of ideas, overdevelop her, and by the end of the series her character would be ruined.
If they do a TV series, It’d probably be 2D animated, which could look great if given to the right people. I doubt Disney will ever let Pixar do a series with the budget of mandalorian.
Incredibles 2 felt to me like it was building to Violet's supervillain origin story, only to fizzle out forgettably.
I still think of it as a severely wasted opportunity.
That concept would be interesting to see in for a story driven Incredibles show, like Rapunzel’s Tangled Adventure
>incredibles series animated in the style of the tangled series
That would probably be a best-case scenario. If they tried to do it in 3d, they'd have to cut a lot of corners and it would look as stiff and plasticy as Miraculous Ladybug.
> incredibles series animated in the style of the tangled series.
Wold have loved an Incrdibles series.
But after the Marvel buyout, I do not see Disney ever bothering when they have more important, and more well known superhero franchises to use instead.
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sucks that the world is so allergic to original ideas. This is like the 80's where animators complained about everything having to be attached to a pre-existing IP. I wonder what it's going to take for the pendulum to finally swing in the other direction again.
At some point, some dipshit exec will have the bright idea that maybe new original IP is a good idea, they'll usher in a new wave of cool shit, and will be hailed as a genius.
And I will probably be in my 50's by that point.
Incredibles 2 felt to me like it was building to Violet's supervillain origin story, only to fizzle out forgettably.
I still think of it as a severely wasted opportunity.
It wasn't horrible, but just a little disappointing. The production was spot on, but the plot was way too similar to the first movie with the focus on Helen instead of Bob. It's a shame since so much could be done with the concept.
I wish someone did this for Ralph2, I would literally watch hours of someone destroying that fricking movi-, no, more like, feature length commercial.
holy shit, I hate it so much it's literally the first time I came out pissed of a movie theater.
I'm sorry anon. If I had to see the destruction of sweet feminine heroines/princesses by a company fellating itself unnecessarily while simultaneously shitting on its entire history because good female characters are illegal now in a theater I'd probably swear off watching films in theaters again for good. Not that I don't already feel that way after Peach.
The shit they did with the princesses was extremely disheartening. Shoving them into an already bad sequel just to lambast anyone for ever writing a cute woman being rescued by Prince charming or whatever and then having them save moron Ralph was bad enough sitting at home watching on my computer. Thankfully I didn't pay for it.
Saw the Toy Story 4 one.
Laser focused on b***hing for 5 minutes at scenes for >genuine consistency/logic problems >genuine emotion/flow problems >minor hiccups >are you an idiot? They weren't where you think they were
I was upset when he didn't notice that Woody has his voice box and stuffing yanked out in a scene, and is tugged away by one of the dummies, then in the next shot he's sewn up and the dummy is nowhere to be seen and no-one mentions how Woody was almost torn apart. I genuinely watched only to see what he would have to say about it and he missed it.
I don't know, I just watched a 8 hour video on how Starfield was shit, but at least games are interactive and be played for hundreds of hours... a cartoon movie might be pushing it...
>How do you even make a 5 hours review of a 2 hours movie, how is that even possible.
Are you seriously asking how discussing media takes longer than consuming it? You can look at a drawing in 5 seconds, but that doesn't mean that you're only allowed to say a sentence or two about it before you're required to move on.
If you can't come up with much to say about a film, it was a bad film, it's literally not noteworthy.
With Incredibles 1 they tried. There was a lot of effort to make a good movie, make it fun, make a lot of extra bits like lore, side characters, and side stuff like the fake in universe cartoon, everyone seemed to have fun with all of it and they went that extra mile to make an A grade experience.
Incredibles 2 had almost no effort. They just rehashed the story from 1 except featuring Helen, they made almost no side material, they did not bother fleshing out the characters at all, they did not even name all the background heroes that appeared near the end. No one really cared, they were just churning out a movie for a paycheck.
pixar was going downhill a little before that but the Incredibles 2 was the nail in the coffin for me. I still pirate their movies in the faint hope one will be great as they used to be but I ain't never going to the movies.
It completely shat on the family dynamics development the first movie perfectly crafted at the end to generate conflict in the second one, only to end in the same way: family of supers understand they should be super together. Can’t wait for a third movie to generate another meaningless and forced conflict to separate them, again.
Fumbled the characters and their dynamics, wasted a bunch of time on super baby antics, and the plot was partially a rehash of the first movie but with the sexes switched and it all hinged on a """twist""" was lame and weak.
It wasn't good but I didn't think it was horrible or actively against the first one like how something like Wreck it Ralph 2 is. Just a painfully mediocre follow up to a movie not helped by years of anticipation,
The original Incredibles was a movie for adults that kids could also enjoy. Incredibles 2 was a movie for kids that adults could also enjoy (maybe).
With an emphasis on the fact that it was for kids. The whole focus on Jack Jack felt somewhat out of place, came off as something that would have never touched the original film, and quite strongly felt like the result of corporate meddling to appeal to younger audiences. Especially the whole fight with the raccoon.
Also the intrigue of the first movie was not there, the villain was painfully lame (in terms of both motivation and looks) and yes, Helen could never carry a movie like Bob could.
It's a retread of the first film except not as good. >both films start with "superheroes can't be superheroes because they cost too much in collateral damage" including opening on the fights that cause them to go into hiding >businessman contacts mr. incredible/elastigirl looking to recruit him/her for his/her super abilities >the mysterious benefactor is a fan of superheroes in both films >they're recruited while the other one stays at home and worries about them, leading them to visit edna mode where they get new suits >plot twist the wealthy benefactor turns out to be bad and now the incredibles have to work as a family to stop the bad guy
In terms of sequels, the key to making one is the phrase "the same but different." You want it to be distinguishable from the first movie but still recognizable. With Incredibles 2 they just made it too close to the original.
A more interesting Incredibles 2 would have been a movie that explores their family dynamics as a superfamily. Ditch the recycled "superheroes are banned" sideplot and instead focus on the family drama caused by the stress of being not just superheroes but also a family, and also in the public spotlight as celebrities. They split up then reunite at the end to fight a bad guy. A story like that is similar to the first one but different enough to be its own thing.
Incredibles 3 needs to be a Watchmen-type movie, a complete subvert of what people are expecting, the family has all gone their separate ways with new costumes and too busy for each other. a new generation of young supers have been enhanced with lethal power upgrades, Frozone gets killed and Jack-Jack has become this dangerous vigilante out to find Frozone's killer with full revenge and the family has to get together to stop Jack-Jack's rage and find Frozone's killer.
Took 15 years for a movie that barely advanced anything and felt like it was too much of a retread of the first movie. Also didn't help that the antagonist was lame with a moronic motivation, capeshit stuff is only as good as their villain is after all. Compare Screenslaver to Syndrome who had everything, he was intimidating but had a sense of humor, had a personal connection to Mr. Incredible, and had a deliciously ironic demise.
It wasn't BAD, it just was not nearly as good as the first one.
I mostly blame the lower stakes. First one was full of all sorts of drama. Bob having a midlife crisis because he's unable to do the one thing he's good at anymore, Helen thinking Bob is having an affair, Dash chafing under the fact that he can't be his true self, same for Violet really.
With 2, Helen is the only character with any real stakes. Bob is just babysitting the whole movie, Violet has boyfriend problems, and Dash is struggling with math. Not even getting into the reduction of violence which felt disappointing.
The movie did have it's moments, the fight in cage surrounded by the hypnosis screens was pretty visually cool I thought. And there was still a more "adult" vibe with Helen's interactions with the people she's working with. It's just that more "adult" tone was nowhere to be seen in the rest of the movie, which I think was the biggest loss.
>the fight in cage surrounded by the hypnosis screens was pretty visually cool I thought. And there was still a more "adult" vibe with Helen's interactions with the people she's working with. It's just that more "adult" tone was nowhere to be seen in the rest of the movie
These moments are distractingly differing in tone compared to the rest of the movie to the point of wondering if they were borrowed from other Marvel movies. Movie doesn't know if it wants to be Incredibles 2 or a new Russo bros flick.
It was 15 years too late, long overdue.
The plot sucked, the music sucked, everything about it sucked. Hell the movie itself is a direct copy of the first film but reversed and shatted on. Not even seeing Helen's bubble butt again on the big screen could save this film. Frick Brad Bird and frick Pixar
It just wasn't as compelling and felt like it was retreading ground from the first movie. In the first, there was an outer conflict with Syndrome but also an inner conflict with Bob wanting to be a hero again, and a conflict with his family while trying to keep that secret from them. I don't recall much inner conflict with Helen, nor is there any real conflict with her family outside of them doing sitcom shit trying to keep the house in order while she's working. Everything she does is pretty much sanctioned, so the conflict is mostly just her going after an honestly lackluster villain in comparison to Syndrome. There were some cool action scenes, but otherwise it was pretty forgettable. It felt like those direct-to-DVD Disney sequels from a couple decades ago. Most Pixar sequels feel that way, actually.
The only thing that’s truly bad about the sequel is the villain. Screenslaver should have been a true baddie instead of just a plot twist. I do like seeing the family interact more this time around. Too bad there were scenes and extra stuff that were scrapped, would love to see an extended cut
Brad Bird didn't really want to make a sequel and felt one movie was enough but they offered him a nice chunk of money so he went "frick it" and just made it mostly a Helen fetish flick.
Being unnecessary doesn't necessarily make something bad. It's hard to argue any story is strictly "necessary". If they'd come up with a fresh and interesting way to continue following these characters while adhering to the themes of the first, they could have made something good. There were a lot of places it could have gone due to the status quo shift by the end of the first movie. It didn't have to be a worse genderswapped version of it.
only thing it did right was making Dash beefy, also bored so sharing my rough idea for a third movie;
>picturing it being set a year or two after the second movie, where the first film had Bob as the focus character and the second had Helen as the focus character, this time the focus would be jointly on Dash and Violet with them both dealing with the issues of Puberty as Supers(with Dash being an early bloomer and Violet a late bloomer) as well as being the rising stars of a new generation of Supers that is emerging and finding it's own way due to few of the previous generation still being alive, Violet joining up with an all girl team of teen Supers, while Dash gets drawn towards a new movement espousing Supers Supremacy led by the son of Gamma Jack and this leading to conflict between both the two siblings and the respective halves of the Supers community they've aligned with(Violet with the Establishment, Dash with the Revolutionaries) and them having to resolve their issues before it falls into outright war
Because you touch yourself at night
Frick off
Yeah, while thinking of Helen.
I mean, who wouldn't?
woke mind virus can't make good stuff.
for the plot to work they had to tear down mr incredible. the opening "action scene" was such a betrayal of his character and the entire movie was a betrayal of the message of the first movie that the family works best together.
Brad Bird is an Objectivist, it was surprising at all he could come up with an coherent movie to begin with.
Stfu commie
>it was surprising at all he could come up with an coherent movie to begin with.
He didn't, the "moral center" of the first movie makes no sense
>when everybody is a super, no one will be
>Dash being allowed to be himself and win the school race, but just by a little bit?
holy shit
why does this keep happening
every single time i like a piece of media i come across the most simple, innocuous, tiniest criticism and i see how the whole thing falls apart and i lose all interest
frick
what? she definitely had an arc. she went from nagging at bob for wanting to play hero to doing it with him
So, you want to read the Bible?
They're still ironing off the details for the supers pardon by the president so he had to contain his powers to hide his secret ability
that being said Syndrome did nothing wrong by wanting to share his invention to the world
>Syndrome did nothing wrong by wanting to share his invention to the world
>Property damage
>Attempt at murder
>Actual murder
STFU Commie
>when everybody is a super, no one will be
That’s literally what the villain says. Dash showed off his skills and took pride in it. That’s it.
>Muhhh buzzwords
>woke mind virus can't make good stuff.
>for the plot to work they had to tear down [male protagonist]
>was such a betrayal of his character
>a betrayal of the message of the first movie
Every time.
TS4 was the least bad of the modern sequels
TS should have ended with 2.
the real wokeness in the movie is the message "no human is illegal." It's clearly not about supers.
Do some research, buttholes.
It sucked because Sneedsney cut a lot of production time by changing their release calendar, so they had to rush to get it done, and rushed scripts usually suck.
>rushed scripts usually suck
Toy Story 4 was given an additional year in production (at Incredibles 2's expense) and that movie was still garbage.
Being rushed had nothing to do with it here. They were just awful scripts.
Chudstein speaks the truth.
Genuinely shocked to see most of the thread agreeing with this. Usually there'd be more kvetchng from the usual leftypol types that someone's blaming something other than "late stage capitalism"
Blaming it on "woke" politics is pretty moronic, but it wasn't well written nor did it seem to build on what was established in the earlier film.
Incredibles 2 was fake woke like Velma. All the new diversity heroes were clueless dopes being used by media hustlers using Helen to push their agenda. Bob was completely sidelined. The children's problems were handwaved and Lucius pretty much was the only other competent hero and his feats in the movie were OP af. The Parrs were as unnecessary as the sequel.
>for the plot to work they had to tear down mr incredible. the opening "action scene" was such a betrayal of his character and the entire movie was a betrayal of the message of the first movie that the family works best together.
Yeah, that's a bit true. I mean, Mr. Incredible getting whooped because Underminer had like jackhammer gloves doesn't make much sense. Like I'm just those gloves could have pounded through steel and concrete but Incredible is way, way stronger than that.
There was some gold in the shit like how there was a theme of progress changing society and the Supers being stuck in the wake of that. In this one the idea that society is blaming Supers again and how the solution they find is to have their adventures recorded and monetized because society now wants more information but also to experience the lives of a Super as a form of entertainment. That its not the government this time as it is corporations and the public affected by the market.
Oh would you shut the frick up you idiot. Not everything is "le culture war" bullshit it sucked because the twist villain was bad and the plot stinked not because le gays or da joos or anything literally eat shit
>have Incredibles work as a team for the movie
>adversity comes from them trying to properly develop working together and balancing life
>also show social change and backlash as subplot as well as mixed reaction from supers
It’s that easy, they didn’t need to make a movie where Helen just does what Bob did in the first one only without Syndromes evolving machine shit.
The real question is why did they changed math?
2016 was a mistake
You're really going to ignore the fiasco that was the 2 former presidents before the 2016 elections, won't you?
>President Barack Obama awarded with the Nobel prize of peace on 2009
Obama was so much better then trump and while bush was awful most of the country agreed on that fact and wasnt pushed insane to alt right insanity or over polticial correctness on the left
>Obama was so much better then trump
If you like endless wars
With the flop of the marvels I feel like people is getting tired of this feminist anti male discourse.
I hope they realize soon that nobody likes this third wave feminism anti-men messages in movies and decide to course correct, but this is Disney so who knows.
Except now they would have to fire half their creative teams that were heavily recruited from tumblr and twitter over the last decade
>people is getting tired of this feminist anti male discourse
People are getting tired of sucky movies that are clearly lazy passionless cash-grabs. Full stop.
Not everything needs to be a culture war talking point.
true
why are you using a YouTube thumbnail?
Why do you fricking think?
>I watched a Youtube video
>Better go to Cinemaphile and immediately make an entire thread so I can know if I can agree with it or not!
I'm tired of this script.
Did everything wrong and went against everything the 1st stood for including the handling of the joke villain.
late
15 years late
This.
Also deciding to not actually do a time skip, which everyone wanted. Should have revolved more around the kids as young adults, with the parents being semi retired.
Unpopular opinion, but a sequel with a time skip (at least one that's over three years) immediately after the first movie would have been a bad idea. Violet and Dash would have just been clones of Flash and Sue Storm. The only one who would have benefited from a timeskip is Jack Jack. There are potential stories to tell about the parr children when there are young heroes still learning the ropes.
Helen is not MC material and has never been, she's the only character who doesn't go through an arc in the first movie and then you try to have that bland as sin character carry a movie on her own
I get that it's not as good as the first, but terrible seems to be stretching it no?
nah it is terrible
If anything "terrible" is an understatement.
This movie is so bland and forgettable, I wouldn't even put it on for a toddler
It took a movie about family where none of the characters really stood out on their own and made it almost exclusively about the mom and benched the rest of the family.
There really isn't any way to make that work. Also it took 15 fricking years to come out which is always a bad sign with a big corporate movie.
It wasn't awful, It did have some nice and funny moments. Can't say the same for Wreck it Ralph 2.
The first half of the movie seems pointless and takes away from building up Screenslaver.
Screenslaver is a good concept for a villain too. A human that sees the presence of supers making humans weaker and less necessary is an interesting concept to explore
>A human that sees the presence of supers making humans weaker and less necessary is an interesting concept to explore
so basically lex luthor?
That has never been Lex. His motivation has always been simple jealousy of never measuring up to Superman
Lex's motivation has always been pie.
And that's terrible.
Holy fricking casual
Lex was at first just a bad person, no motivation given outside of being a crininal
Then he was motivated by the usual Villain Revenge until the late 1950s
Then he was given an origin in Superboy that made Superboy somewhat responsible for the loss of Lex's hair
Then Byrne Lex was motivated by not being able to manipulate or use superman at all
Johns Lex was motivated by petty jealousy of how special and beloved Superman was.
The whole
>I just want to uplift humanity but that damn alien keeps getting in the way!
was always the excuse for behavior and get out of legal trouble statement that did not appear until the late 90s. And it was always only the excuse given after he was caught or defeatted.
Honestly I had forgotten how lethal the first Incredibles was.
>Bob chucks a rock at a guard's head on a ledge with superstrength, probably kills him instantly but even if he didn't, he falls 40 feet onto his head.
>Multiple henchmen get the frick blown out of them crashing their buzz saw saucers.
>Montage of Supers getting slaughtered by cape malfunctions.
>Syndrome laughing about blowing up Bob's entire family.
>"Man, Bob is serious about snapping Mirage's neck, he's not joking."
>Finds skeletons of dead supers killed by Syndrome.
>Watch Syndrome die sucked into a jet engine.
Did anyone die in Incredibles 2 other than Dad CEO?
>All the disasters were foiled by Elastigirl, even then they were all choreographed by Screen Slaver, so we don't know if anyone was really gonna die.
>CEO Dad dies in a flashback, even then was pretty much a dumb person death.
>Even the villain lives.
Just didn't have the bite of the first one, first one went to some dark places with straight up murder and a metaphor for divorce/midlife crisis/affair and weird objectivist pandering. Second one was 'muh individuality'.
Yup, they removed all the edge from the original
Fricking disgraceful
Pixar as a whole got less edgy with time. Notice the acid humour in Toy Story 1 and how it gets toned down with each sequel.
Yeah the first movie doesn't frick around. It let's you know people can and will die in the movie.
Indeed I think only one character dies in the sequel and it's in a flash back. Even the villain survives.
>Yeah the first movie doesn't frick around.
Did you watch the first movie? Every scene with Syndrome was him fricking around. But yes the Sequel has no bite at all.
Kind of makes one wonder what Bob and Helen's bodycount really is. They go full Brock Samson on henchmen
There was also the Helen assuming Bob was sleeping around on him side plot that makes for a more adult movie.
>weird objectivist pandering
This was very satisfying to watch when I noticed it. It's so good to see a moral perspective that isn't the standard college educated progressivism in a major American movie, even if it's not my personal taste.
>Just didn't have the bite of the first one
Not even remotely; the older I get and the more movies I watch I appreciate just how fricking good the Incredibles is.
damn that's a good scene.
To me, I pretend the first movie is the stand alone and the second is non-existent or rather not canon.
They retconned Rise of the Underminer
>Game where you can only play as Mr Incredible and Frozen and the other family members are pushed to the sidelines
Sounds terrible
I'd take a bob and frozone buddy movie over that garbage with helen
If they make an incredibles 3, I thought of a scene where Bob and Lucius come home after bowling only to find tired helen stretched all over the living room and we see Jack Jack in monster form chewing on her leg like how a dog chews on a garden house. helen would like something like this cover
I wouldn’t fully trust Dazz on anything. He’s one of those channels that knows constant negativity gets more clicks. (IMO it’s a lousy sequel with tons of missed potential, but it’s so fuggin easy to figure out that I don’t need 10 videos to tell me what went wrong.)
I hate his moronic thumbnail gimmick. Caps locking some buzzword from his "titles worded like THIS..." and hiding it behind part of the image, especially that one where it randomly goes behind one eye of a character.
It's so annoyingly autistic I refuse to click on any videos.
>Why was it so bad?
Because it should have been a TV series with 3 seasons.
Read Violet's diary on Internet Archive. Most of it is just the movie told from Violet's point of view, but does reveal some some things.
The family has moved eight times
Bob always talking about the glory days and Dash fanboying about it.
Violet constantly talks bad about Dash, Bob and super heroes, at least until she becomes a supeerhero herself
Helen not allowing Violet or Dash into Bob's hero room.
Violet using her powers to trap Dash in the bathroom for an hour for reading her diary and tripping a schoolgirl with her force field who was with Tony
Girl had some real issues
I mean that sounds like a typical hormonal teenage girl to me
Read Violet's diary on Internet Archive. Most of it is just the movie told from Violet's point of view, but does reveal some some things.
The family has moved eight times
Bob always talking about the glory days and Dash fanboying about it.
Violet constantly talks bad about Dash, Bob and super heroes, at least until she becomes a supeerhero herself
Helen not allowing Violet or Dash into Bob's hero room.
Violet using her powers to trap Dash in the bathroom for an hour for reading her diary and tripping a schoolgirl with her force field who was with Tony
Girl had some serious issues
This explains a lot about her behavior in the sequel dropping and renouncing supers over Tony.
I have this headcannon that Bob and Helen didn't tell Violet they were supers until she was four or five, when her powers went off during her first day of school. This would explain why she's been bitter most of her life.
>Link to Violet's Diary because anon doesn't know how to internet
https://archive.org/details/incrediblesviole0000dung
Or better yet, here's a de-DRMed downloadable version:
>The Incredibles - Violet's Diary
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Pixar should do a second sequel or tv series that focuses on Violet. Have it be darker, more emotional and show Bob and Helen realizing how untrustworthy they have been to their kids..
just time skip to give Violet juicy mom hips
I'd just take an Incredibles series in general. I think there are enough stories to go around for all the characters. Violet is my favorite, but I'd hesitate to advocate for a full series featuring her as lead. I think they'd run out of ideas, overdevelop her, and by the end of the series her character would be ruined.
If they do a TV series, It’d probably be 2D animated, which could look great if given to the right people. I doubt Disney will ever let Pixar do a series with the budget of mandalorian.
That concept would be interesting to see in for a story driven Incredibles show, like Rapunzel’s Tangled Adventure
I'd be super into an incredibles series animated in the style of the tangled series.
> incredibles series animated in the style of the tangled series.
>incredibles series animated in the style of the tangled series
That would probably be a best-case scenario. If they tried to do it in 3d, they'd have to cut a lot of corners and it would look as stiff and plasticy as Miraculous Ladybug.
Or Monsters At Work
No
Wold have loved an Incrdibles series.
But after the Marvel buyout, I do not see Disney ever bothering when they have more important, and more well known superhero franchises to use instead.
sucks that the world is so allergic to original ideas. This is like the 80's where animators complained about everything having to be attached to a pre-existing IP. I wonder what it's going to take for the pendulum to finally swing in the other direction again.
At some point, some dipshit exec will have the bright idea that maybe new original IP is a good idea, they'll usher in a new wave of cool shit, and will be hailed as a genius.
And I will probably be in my 50's by that point.
Incredibles 2 felt to me like it was building to Violet's supervillain origin story, only to fizzle out forgettably.
I still think of it as a severely wasted opportunity.
Why did they say Bob was too risky to be on the team, and then proceed to put in the lobotomized wall lady who's power was superstrength?
It wasn't horrible, but just a little disappointing. The production was spot on, but the plot was way too similar to the first movie with the focus on Helen instead of Bob. It's a shame since so much could be done with the concept.
Bullshit, it's terrible.
If anything, the top tier visuals make it more obvious.
I thought it was alright.
The surprise villain was the character whose outfits got darker in each scene, was the only one to swear, and name was basically "Evil Endeavor."
on the upside she was kind of hot
>Why was it so bad?
Do you have 5 hours to spend?
I wish someone did this for Ralph2, I would literally watch hours of someone destroying that fricking movi-, no, more like, feature length commercial.
holy shit, I hate it so much it's literally the first time I came out pissed of a movie theater.
I'm sorry anon. If I had to see the destruction of sweet feminine heroines/princesses by a company fellating itself unnecessarily while simultaneously shitting on its entire history because good female characters are illegal now in a theater I'd probably swear off watching films in theaters again for good. Not that I don't already feel that way after Peach.
The shit they did with the princesses was extremely disheartening. Shoving them into an already bad sequel just to lambast anyone for ever writing a cute woman being rescued by Prince charming or whatever and then having them save moron Ralph was bad enough sitting at home watching on my computer. Thankfully I didn't pay for it.
Saw the Toy Story 4 one.
Laser focused on b***hing for 5 minutes at scenes for
>genuine consistency/logic problems
>genuine emotion/flow problems
>minor hiccups
>are you an idiot? They weren't where you think they were
I was upset when he didn't notice that Woody has his voice box and stuffing yanked out in a scene, and is tugged away by one of the dummies, then in the next shot he's sewn up and the dummy is nowhere to be seen and no-one mentions how Woody was almost torn apart. I genuinely watched only to see what he would have to say about it and he missed it.
I don't know, I just watched a 8 hour video on how Starfield was shit, but at least games are interactive and be played for hundreds of hours... a cartoon movie might be pushing it...
How do you even make a 5 hours review of a 2 hours movie, how is that even possible.
1 hour of recap 4 hours of screeching
>How do you even make a 5 hours review of a 2 hours movie, how is that even possible.
Are you seriously asking how discussing media takes longer than consuming it? You can look at a drawing in 5 seconds, but that doesn't mean that you're only allowed to say a sentence or two about it before you're required to move on.
If you can't come up with much to say about a film, it was a bad film, it's literally not noteworthy.
With Incredibles 1 they tried. There was a lot of effort to make a good movie, make it fun, make a lot of extra bits like lore, side characters, and side stuff like the fake in universe cartoon, everyone seemed to have fun with all of it and they went that extra mile to make an A grade experience.
Incredibles 2 had almost no effort. They just rehashed the story from 1 except featuring Helen, they made almost no side material, they did not bother fleshing out the characters at all, they did not even name all the background heroes that appeared near the end. No one really cared, they were just churning out a movie for a paycheck.
pixar was going downhill a little before that but the Incredibles 2 was the nail in the coffin for me. I still pirate their movies in the faint hope one will be great as they used to be but I ain't never going to the movies.
the movie was everything I wanted. An hour or more of Helen's big ass.
yeah but we could also have gotten a good movie with it like the first one
It completely shat on the family dynamics development the first movie perfectly crafted at the end to generate conflict in the second one, only to end in the same way: family of supers understand they should be super together. Can’t wait for a third movie to generate another meaningless and forced conflict to separate them, again.
Frick off with your youtube thumbnail
It didn't have a reason to exist, the villian sucked, the story was mostly bad
Helen being hypnotized felt like the only reason it should exist but not worth watching the whole thing for.
Character design in 1 was incredibly (heh) strong. In 2 it was terrible and none of the new characters really stood out visually.
The acid reflux guy was pretty good
Fumbled the characters and their dynamics, wasted a bunch of time on super baby antics, and the plot was partially a rehash of the first movie but with the sexes switched and it all hinged on a """twist""" was lame and weak.
It wasn't good but I didn't think it was horrible or actively against the first one like how something like Wreck it Ralph 2 is. Just a painfully mediocre follow up to a movie not helped by years of anticipation,
It's only worth it for Helen's ass in 4k
>censored before the movie starts
Why are ## 2, 3, & 4 floating a few inches above the ground? Is this a Douglas Adams reference?
She has high heels in the other wears.
>Why was it so bad?
it wasn't, great hypno porn came out of it
the story was just retread with the mom instead the dad tho
Same movie, but worse. Only good for a couple short clips.
>Cinemaphile waking up to this movie sucking
Nice. I disliked it from my first viewing, but Brad bird tards defended it non-stop.
Because it was made to cash in on a property they left in the closet instead of actually wanting to continue the franchise.
The original Incredibles was a movie for adults that kids could also enjoy. Incredibles 2 was a movie for kids that adults could also enjoy (maybe).
With an emphasis on the fact that it was for kids. The whole focus on Jack Jack felt somewhat out of place, came off as something that would have never touched the original film, and quite strongly felt like the result of corporate meddling to appeal to younger audiences. Especially the whole fight with the raccoon.
Also the intrigue of the first movie was not there, the villain was painfully lame (in terms of both motivation and looks) and yes, Helen could never carry a movie like Bob could.
Better than Finding Dory and Toy Story 4.
It's a retread of the first film except not as good.
>both films start with "superheroes can't be superheroes because they cost too much in collateral damage" including opening on the fights that cause them to go into hiding
>businessman contacts mr. incredible/elastigirl looking to recruit him/her for his/her super abilities
>the mysterious benefactor is a fan of superheroes in both films
>they're recruited while the other one stays at home and worries about them, leading them to visit edna mode where they get new suits
>plot twist the wealthy benefactor turns out to be bad and now the incredibles have to work as a family to stop the bad guy
In terms of sequels, the key to making one is the phrase "the same but different." You want it to be distinguishable from the first movie but still recognizable. With Incredibles 2 they just made it too close to the original.
A more interesting Incredibles 2 would have been a movie that explores their family dynamics as a superfamily. Ditch the recycled "superheroes are banned" sideplot and instead focus on the family drama caused by the stress of being not just superheroes but also a family, and also in the public spotlight as celebrities. They split up then reunite at the end to fight a bad guy. A story like that is similar to the first one but different enough to be its own thing.
Zero soul
Incredibles 3 needs to be a Watchmen-type movie, a complete subvert of what people are expecting, the family has all gone their separate ways with new costumes and too busy for each other. a new generation of young supers have been enhanced with lethal power upgrades, Frozone gets killed and Jack-Jack has become this dangerous vigilante out to find Frozone's killer with full revenge and the family has to get together to stop Jack-Jack's rage and find Frozone's killer.
Is not bad, just more of the same. Feels tv in quality of the story.
Took 15 years for a movie that barely advanced anything and felt like it was too much of a retread of the first movie. Also didn't help that the antagonist was lame with a moronic motivation, capeshit stuff is only as good as their villain is after all. Compare Screenslaver to Syndrome who had everything, he was intimidating but had a sense of humor, had a personal connection to Mr. Incredible, and had a deliciously ironic demise.
They could've
1) gone into a time skip like fricking everyone wanted in the first place
2) used Hellen in a way that didn't feel preachy
It wasn't BAD, it just was not nearly as good as the first one.
I mostly blame the lower stakes. First one was full of all sorts of drama. Bob having a midlife crisis because he's unable to do the one thing he's good at anymore, Helen thinking Bob is having an affair, Dash chafing under the fact that he can't be his true self, same for Violet really.
With 2, Helen is the only character with any real stakes. Bob is just babysitting the whole movie, Violet has boyfriend problems, and Dash is struggling with math. Not even getting into the reduction of violence which felt disappointing.
The movie did have it's moments, the fight in cage surrounded by the hypnosis screens was pretty visually cool I thought. And there was still a more "adult" vibe with Helen's interactions with the people she's working with. It's just that more "adult" tone was nowhere to be seen in the rest of the movie, which I think was the biggest loss.
>the fight in cage surrounded by the hypnosis screens was pretty visually cool I thought. And there was still a more "adult" vibe with Helen's interactions with the people she's working with. It's just that more "adult" tone was nowhere to be seen in the rest of the movie
These moments are distractingly differing in tone compared to the rest of the movie to the point of wondering if they were borrowed from other Marvel movies. Movie doesn't know if it wants to be Incredibles 2 or a new Russo bros flick.
Screenslaver/Evelyn was a lesser Mezmerella
It was 15 years too late, long overdue.
The plot sucked, the music sucked, everything about it sucked. Hell the movie itself is a direct copy of the first film but reversed and shatted on. Not even seeing Helen's bubble butt again on the big screen could save this film. Frick Brad Bird and frick Pixar
> the music sucked
Gonna stop you there. Giacchino slayed the frick out of that score.
It just wasn't as compelling and felt like it was retreading ground from the first movie. In the first, there was an outer conflict with Syndrome but also an inner conflict with Bob wanting to be a hero again, and a conflict with his family while trying to keep that secret from them. I don't recall much inner conflict with Helen, nor is there any real conflict with her family outside of them doing sitcom shit trying to keep the house in order while she's working. Everything she does is pretty much sanctioned, so the conflict is mostly just her going after an honestly lackluster villain in comparison to Syndrome. There were some cool action scenes, but otherwise it was pretty forgettable. It felt like those direct-to-DVD Disney sequels from a couple decades ago. Most Pixar sequels feel that way, actually.
It’s just the first one but worse in every way except animation
Simply
The only thing that’s truly bad about the sequel is the villain. Screenslaver should have been a true baddie instead of just a plot twist. I do like seeing the family interact more this time around. Too bad there were scenes and extra stuff that were scrapped, would love to see an extended cut
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https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4bG1ge11grxTG1DHPwGIFUyi9j3bbj0B
Holly Hunter sounded a bit old i mean she was pushing 60 when this was made.
What was so bad about it? I liked it.
Brad Bird didn't really want to make a sequel and felt one movie was enough but they offered him a nice chunk of money so he went "frick it" and just made it mostly a Helen fetish flick.
It made me so hard not to sperm out when Elastigirl came on screen. Disney and Pixar knew what they were doing.
>Why was it so bad?
Because it was unnecessary
Being unnecessary doesn't necessarily make something bad. It's hard to argue any story is strictly "necessary". If they'd come up with a fresh and interesting way to continue following these characters while adhering to the themes of the first, they could have made something good. There were a lot of places it could have gone due to the status quo shift by the end of the first movie. It didn't have to be a worse genderswapped version of it.
Uncanny Valley
Good stories tend to have a beginning, a middle, and an end. After that, you're supposed to shut the hell up and tell a different story.
The story got its end in "The Incredibles." Pixar forgot to shut the hell up.
only thing it did right was making Dash beefy, also bored so sharing my rough idea for a third movie;
>picturing it being set a year or two after the second movie, where the first film had Bob as the focus character and the second had Helen as the focus character, this time the focus would be jointly on Dash and Violet with them both dealing with the issues of Puberty as Supers(with Dash being an early bloomer and Violet a late bloomer) as well as being the rising stars of a new generation of Supers that is emerging and finding it's own way due to few of the previous generation still being alive, Violet joining up with an all girl team of teen Supers, while Dash gets drawn towards a new movement espousing Supers Supremacy led by the son of Gamma Jack and this leading to conflict between both the two siblings and the respective halves of the Supers community they've aligned with(Violet with the Establishment, Dash with the Revolutionaries) and them having to resolve their issues before it falls into outright war
>Why was it so bad?
it was because of mrs incredible's stupid fat ass, ugh. pic semi related, it's a fan rendition of her stupid fat ass. ugh. awful.