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Lackadaisy is calarts.
cool.
No it’s not. But I can’t wait for Tracy’s dirt to come out and what her get canceled and flamed.
>dirt
I hear she's fond of cats. Don't tell anyone.
You sound like those annoying zoomers on Twitter that are always frothing at the mouth at the idea of someone they don't like getting cancelled for the most petty bullshit
i don't think there's much dirt on her as much as i would want there to be some.
I don't get this whole "internet creator bloodsport" mentality.
it's just a personal grudge against the booze cat people. not anything rational
The only thing I can think of is the tracing accusations on the Ironclaw cover years ago. But that looked more like a reference drawing than a trace to me.
On the whole I really like her work and don't understand the hate. Except for not updating the comic in four years. I get that hate.
is there hate for tracy? i haven't really noticed any, as opposed to vivzie.
>is there hate for tracy?
no, but some chuds are eager to clap their hands when anyone noteworthy falls. Once the Lackadaisy series kicks off, you'll probably see more Tracy rage threads as I'm sure at least one "neuro-divergent" individual will hyperfixate on her.
>you'll probably see more Tracy rage threads as I'm sure at least one "neuro-divergent" individual will hyperfixate on her.
It just simply wouldnt be Cinemaphile without a schizo. The mark of kino is when you have a moron frothing at the mouth because of it
Guy is already slowly pivoting into that role.
is he? Last I saw he was shitting up the Bigtop Burger threads
Told you! See
I hate Tracy because she's a lazy hack who abandoned her series for a cheap animated parody. You must be a prime bootlicker to think this shit looks anywhere close to the actual comic.
>to think this shit looks anywhere close to the actual comic.
I mean I like the comic but you are delusional to think that indie animators are going to animate the comics artstyle
That's why you finish your fricking comic instead.
That’s not just indie creators NOBODY is going to animate with the level of detail in the comics.
>waaah, the animation designs are streamlined
Typical /co-tard has no idea how animation actually works
>IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE SHIT
I remember a time when people were embarrassed to be this stupid.
Being a midwit doesn't make you cool bro
The main trio has a gay and a troon
>I know you are but what am I
Good one, bro
Not that guy but that pilot did not look bad at all. In fact it looked pretty good, and honestly great when you consider it is an indie project.
I haven't read much of lackadaisy but I have seen a fair amount of panels posted on Cinemaphile over the years, and yes, it's unrealistic to expect any animation studio to recreate that in an animation 1:1.
The only people who complain about the animation not looking like the comic are idiots who don’t know how animation works. It’s impossible to animate it while keeping the detail in the comic…anyone who disagrees is welcome to provide examples of when that sort of thing has been done in the past. The truth is, Lackadaisy is one of the highest quality 2d productions we’ve had in a very long time and it’s especially impressive since it was done by a scrappy indie “studio” on a scrappy indie budget.
Id love to see you try to animate something so detailed without wanting to have a nice day
This is /co. No way anon can even draw like that, let alone animate.
No one would be able to animate something so detailed
Right…
Im being serious yo
I hadn’t disagreed with you at any point but you’re talking like I had
It sounded sarcastic idk
….
It was commentary on your need to explain something to me that didn’t need explaining since I wasn’t disagreeing in my previous comment
Without having bordeline unlimited founds of course.
Tracy is too old to even bother
She's 43 lackadaisy is not something I can see her working on untill she's 50
> lackadaisy is not something I can see her working on untill she's 50
Why not? 43 isn’t old and people don’t stop doing things in their 50s.
I think all the “dirt” Shit is stupid. I’m just saying there’s no reason to suspect she’d suddenly stop making shit at an arbitrary age.
>43 isn’t old
43 is ancient, dude. 30 is old.
bro agrees with GRRM that 12 is prime breeding age
Get a fricking life.
Are you referring to the characters's mouth having round corners sometime?
Bean mouths aren't "Le bad", they can be very expressive and effective if done right.
they have the same expressions as that one stress comic she made
Anon’s father fought and died in the bean wars. The smiling bean mouths mock his pain.
Agreed, I enjoy it in moderation.
How
anon is just being a contrarian dick
I wish people would learn that being contrarian doesn't make you an interesting person.
U dum homie
These are amazing. Thanks for posting them.
Va-Va-Voom
>Indie Cartoon
I remember watching his videos and absolutely loving it as a kid.
Don’t know what Cinemaphile think?
Zoomers are unironically based
Millennials and Zoomers are the ones taking shit into their own hands right now.
More like a hitting in their own hands and complaining when their fingers stink.
Every generation has a brave few who get sick of the industry and make it on their own, but just like today most of them are just doing nothing but b***h.
Hope this goes better than hazbin
> Every generation has a brave few who get sick of the industry and make it on their own
In animation? Name them. Indie series seems to be a pretty recent thing.
Indie seems to be channeling the creative freedom cartoons had in the 90s. Back then especially with the cable networks, they were on your side and let you do whatever you wanted as long as the ratings kept coming in. I assumed animation was always going to be like this.
Nowadays, it's so corporate and bent on targeting a broad audience, rather than trying new stuff seeing what sticks. That's why we have so many reboots these days.
Same energy, except with no financial backing from a studio, but rather by other means such as crowdfunding, or dipping into your own pocket and working at a loss.
It has more to do with maximizing profits. A few shows from the 90s and early 00s went gangbusters, and now the expectation is to keep increasing profits from there every year. Unfortunately endless growth is not sustainable. You’d think billions of dollars in profit every year would be good just to coast on, but the greedy little piggies always want more so they want safer bets made faster, cheaper. Greed is killing the industry (and ironically preventing it from potentially growing).
Indie is channeling that creativity, but no crowdfund can compete with deep network pockets. As impressive as 1mil for lackadaisy is, it’s a drop in the bucket compared to those 90s budgets. Indie animation is great but smaller budgets mean smaller crews, less access to fewer resources, and slower production schedules. Even if lackadaisy gets 2mil, it’s probably going to be at least 5 years until we see anything.
The challenge for consumers is to put their money where their mouth is. Everyone likes to complain about reboots and the next crappy things networks try to shovel down our throats, but very few people are willing to actually do anything to change it.
The Lackadaisy pilot surpassed 10 million views but only about 10,500 people have donated to develop a series. If even a third of the people who watched the pilot donated $1, they'd surpass their stretch goal.
This is why I'm hesitant about crowdfunding my own cartoon.
I'm sure it can be popular to an extent. I could make the best crowdfunding video and everyone can express excitement and how it'll be the greatest show ever, but won't do anything to help make it happen.
Unless I get some rich millennial angel investor who shares the same passion as I do. But I'm just another guy with ideas and there's many more people out there trying to get their own shit off the ground. I'm nobody special and I'm not entitled to any of this.
> I'm not entitled to any of this.
Not with that attitude. Still, you face the same challenge that every creative faces. The world is filled with "directors", "illustrators", "animators", "composers", "writers", etc, and most of them are full of shit. I don't mean to be disparaging, but while a lot of people like to think of themselves as an artisan because it's romantic, very few are willing to put in the work to really hone their craft. I've met people who started calling themselves a "guitarist" after having owned a guitar for a month. There's nothing stopping them from doing that and it's fine, but it means that words are cheap people are right to be wary when you're asking them for money for your project.
You don't start with crowdfunding. That's a mistake a lot of people make. You start by building up a body of work to show that you can do the job. Telling people what you want to do won't get you anywhere. You need to do it (albeit maybe on a smaller scale) so you can show instead of tell. It's great if your goal is to make a full episode of something, but prove that you're up to the task by doing smaller shorter things first and build your audience along the way. If you can get people pumped about smaller shorter format projects, then you can take it to the next level.
I'm in no position to give advice on how my personal experiences with this project. I am woefully inexperienced in all aspects. I'm learning as I go, and I try to be as transparent as I possibly can about it all. I do not want to unintentionally "lead people on" and be clear exactly what my collaborators are coming into.
I consider myself a professional in a different field, but I decided to go in this direction because I love animation and enjoy everything I've built up about this show and the collaboration process. It's just so much fun and I want to get something out there for people to enjoy first-most.
>You start by building up a body of work to show that you can do the job.
Yeah, the pilot as of now is self funded. I figure I'd get it done and then do crowdfunding for additional episodes. It's like I'm pitching to the general population rather than executives.
I've been considering doing a trailer and using the rest of the budget to amp up the animation, then get money to make the rest of the pilot hold a similar quality. Still not sure which way I wanna go, but the worst case scenario is if I can't get money for the rest of the "improved animation" pilot, then I can't finish it, which would be heartbreaking.
I'd honestly start with something MUCH smaller than a pilot. Do like a 10 second gag, but pour all your time and effort into making it a fricking banging 10 seconds. After a few of those, maybe do something 30 seconds and on. Work your way up. Starting with a full-ass pilot is crushing. Start with lower stakes.
>Starting with a full-ass pilot is crushing.
The animatic of the whole pilot is done.
It was supposed to be a short, but suffered from major "feature bloat". I felt that right away, I needed a story to tell and express the potential I believe these characters have. As the depth of the characters and the world grew, so did the script. "If I can't include X, people won't understand or assume Y!".
It all goes back to me being woefully inexperienced with this. There's the possibility that I can do something else and come back to this later. At the very least, I'm proud I was able to get this far with a full length animatic.
keep on keepin' on!
Thanks a ton. Hope you'll like it whenever it comes out.
simply do what Madness Combat, The Big Lez Show, the Sergio Show and all those Object Shows did. Hell, Liam Vickers made a wildly popular series that is literally sleek powerpoint slides
You're right in a way, but you phrased that in the most self congratulatory way possible so frick you
I don't understand lackadaisy
Why does it have to be cats
Why do The Rescuers, Fievel, or Basil need to be mice?
Suspension of disbelief is one of the great superpowers of animation. When we see humans, we read them and judge them according to our past experiences. By abstracting characters, we're able to view their stories from an objective 3rd perspective. In short, it helps us leave our baggage at the door.
;3
Because cats are better than humans
Vivzie will unironically lead the charge.
Anon…
Cmon man…
Is there more to this? Frick I'm hooked, and now I want to give anon a hug.
Meanwhile....
To be honest I never expected to end up having a post capped.
Then again, this isn't the first time.
With all of it capped together though, it made me chuckle.
Not after Lackadaisy's success made her go depressed she wont
Lackachads won, get over it hazbingays
A rising tide lifts all boats. Shows don’t fight in a grudge match, you know
The HH/HB comparisons with Lackadaisy and Murder Drones is largely because theyre all indie web animations hosted on YouTube and geared towards a young adult/teen audience. As for the "rivalry", I cant speak for Lackadaisy but the Murder Drones vs Helluva Hotel rivalry on Cinemaphile was exposed pretty quickly as being engineered by some gays in a discord group
Seems it’s happening again. Lots to of HH/HB vs lacka on these threads.
And that's the problem. There's a ton of other indie work out there that's incredibly underrated, but people would just rather go on and on about their headcanons about "drama" between the most popular ones.
If we want to make a change like OP says, we need to get the word out there for all of the underrated artists who produced amazing passion projects, deserve a large audience but don't have them.
Ive tried this, Ive made threads about Indie web animation and they were bumped off the board pretty quickly
Even if those were bumped off quickly, it still got a small amount of people to notice they exist.
The unfortunate reality is that most of it either sucks or is a one hit wonder. The shit people talk about is talked about for a reason.
I'm convinced it's a few dramagays. It wouldn't have been anything organically.
>The HH/HB comparisons with Lackadaisy and Murder Drones is largely because theyre all indie web animations hosted on YouTube and geared towards a young adult/teen audience. As for the "rivalry", I cant speak for Lackadaisy but the Murder Drones vs Helluva Hotel rivalry on Cinemaphile was exposed pretty quickly as being engineered by some gays in a discord group
i WILL watch ALL FOUR of those shows. I do not give a single frick about the drama.
>i WILL watch ALL FOUR of those shows. I do not give a single frick about the drama.
finally, a good opinion.
much fair, anon
We already know who is the best indie show
And pic rel is hotter than that shitty cat
It's funny that you chose Moxxie to compare Ivy to, because both are femboy troons loved only by homosexuals.
Nah, ivy is e-girlbait.
She isn't a child so pedophiles don't like her
The frick are you talking about, Ivy looks pretty femenine
dude has to flex about how hetero he is because he's definitely not trying to compensate for anything. No needling questions, uncomfortable feelings, or repressed thoughts. Nope. Definitely totally hetero.
>We already know who is the best indie show
Do you?
Why can there only be one? Both are original shows showing Hollywood how it should be done.
>helluva shit
>original
Ah yes, the thousandth 'hell good, woke good, gays good' show, how original. Lackadaisy is a thousand times better and more original than that woke crap.
there was a time when shows were made because an exec followed their gut and actually believed in it. Is there a way that model could ever actually make a comeback or are we doomed to make decisions based purely on data from here on out?
>A rising tide lifts all boats. Shows don’t fight in a grudge match, you know
its up to consumers to pay for shit so that animators can fricking eat.
not while they are responsible for other peoples'/companies' money. They have to deeply read the tea leaves about what could be successful, leaning heavily on past works. Its not easy as people make it out to be with their views in hindsight from the cheap seats.
they kind of do. there's only so many platforms, production houses, distros, and money in the establishment to go around. Independent requires direct revenue stream.
>The challenge for consumers is to put their money where their mouth is.
>The Lackadaisy pilot surpassed 10 million views but only about 10,500 people have donated to develop a series.
this anon gets it. even assuming all donators were in for $10, thats still only $100,000 of direct money. And if there was no ads revenue shared, thats it. And from the YT Description 160 people worked on this thing.
10 million people were willing to give it the time to watch it, only 7.6% of that were YT subscribers willing to positively rate it. We can only infer how the remaining 92.4% of viewers, who may not be YT subscribers, felt about it.
its fricking hard to make a living as an animator as far as anyone should be concerned.
>canon mitzi buttcheek
neat
lmao i just realized she's wearing the burger lingerie
>Gen X is too spineless to take a chance on imaginative IPs
Are you ignoring all the ones that flopped?
no, but the risk is part of the game. Spongebob is the titan that it is because at some point someone took a chance.
Now we get shitty reboots because numbers indicate that people liked a thing one time in the past and the shows STILL flop.
pure sex
Moar
I WANT MY IVY PLUSH!
Anyone else producing their own indie toon? How's the process been for you so far?
Can we please talk about indie cartoons instead of this petty "rivalry" that doesn't even exist? Maybe promote underrated works?
Impossible. People people are stuck in their tribalistic circles where anything that isn't the thing they really like is somehow a threat to the thing they like.
Trust me man I wish we could go back to the times where when a new project that looks cool was coming out people would just take it for what it was. That however is impossible now. 2016 ruined everything.
What does Gen X have to do with anything
Millennials are running shit now
Millennials are barely 40. They’re not green lighting shit.
Gen X is just a caretaker generation before society collapses and we forget the concept of generations in the heat of the nuclear warlord era.
That's not even fricking fair dude
Bara bait
>Bara bait
That’s Victor
I thought bara was like fat dudes?
Bara is “buff” men
And fat dudes.
>and fat dudes
That’s what we call being a “bear” not “Bara”
Why are you mixing English and Japanese terms?
Oh you’re trolling
???
I’m sorry I think I need some sleep
But what I meant earlier was that I don’t think Bara=fat and that Bear=fat and thought that (you) got them mixed up
Tracy is literally a Gen-X.
depends which generational line you're riding. She's either late gen x or early millennial.
something's been bothering me...what's with the dubstep and electronic music in the pilot? Was that an artistic choice? It seemed out of place but I might just not be "getting" it.
It's called electro swing and it's a terrible meme genre that women seem to love. It's electro house but it samples 20s music. They probably just think it's really cool.
it's electroswing
>Was that an artistic choice? It seemed out of place but I might just not be "getting" it.
when the pilot was first released people here on Cinemaphile were pissed about it, but if you go back and actually listen to music from that time, none of it fits modern action sequences. any diegetic music in the show should be more era accurate, if we ever get any.
Neither does fricking electro swing. Did they make this argument or just anons?
>Did they make this argument or just anons?
the official crew never said anything about it because nobody complained about it outside of Cinemaphile, and even then it was just like five anons.
>Neither does fricking electro swing.
if you wanna invoke the music of the period but make it more appealing to modern audiences then yeah, electroswing works best.
Only if you have marketingbrain. No it absolutely doesn't fit to slap a bunch of wub wubs into a fricking cartoon about bootlegger cats. The reason people brought it up is because of how jarring it is.
>The reason people brought it up is because of how jarring it is.
again, nobody cared enough outside of these threads to be a little b***h about it. i watched a bunch of reviews and reactions and nobody ever had anything bad to say about the music if they brought it up at all. if nobody's going to complain about it in numbers that matter, they're not going to change it. hell they put the soundtrack for the pilot on youtube and nobody is saying anything negative in the comments.
Yea they won't because it's fresh and exiting that there's a lackadaisy cartoon. Nobody wants to be that one miserable c**t. You might as well put in the vengaboys with a horn sample over it.
if there's any consolation there was a very distinctly 1920s-inspired track in the soundtrack without the wub wub, i don't remember which part it played at though.
>if you wanna invoke the music of the period but make it more appealing to modern audiences then yeah, electroswing works best.
I guess we're in a world of talking cats so anything goes, really. I wonder if people would have been mad had the music technically been something more akin to stuff happening in the 1940s? I'd guess that most wouldn't make the distinction, but there would inevitably be one anon who would latch on and seethe over it for years.
i can get not liking it but suggesting they just skip to the 30s or 40s BECAUSE you don't like it is a little silly in my opinion. not to mention you're probably only going to hear electro swing during the action sequences or the credits.
I'm not suggesting anything and I wouldn't presume to know better. I'm just posing the question for discussion because you know...that's what we do here. Part of me wonders if maybe that decision was made because the person doing music was more comfortable with electronic music?
>Part of me wonders if maybe that decision was made because the person doing music was more comfortable with electronic music?
i don't know if both electro swing tracks were specifically commissioned for the pilot, but i doubt tracy didn't have an idea in mind for what she wanted the music to sound like. she's not stupid, if she didn't want electro swing there wouldn't be any.
for the action sequences I think they could have gotten away with some jazz drums and upright bass.
I'd think if that would have worked better, they would have done that.
Or thousands of other styles that aren't fricking electro swing
You're also from reddit and should die
and is this..."reddit"...in the room with us now?
No you're in the thread and you're a giant homosexual. And that's a bad look chungus
interesting. And how does that make you feel?
I disagree. I think people think of rinky dink piano and banjo music, but gypsy jazz was going on as well which could be useful to draw inspiration from. A lot of the darker cabaret stuff too...and I mean, if we're going to be anachronistic anyway with the electro-swing, why not instead just draw from like 10 years later and dig into some of the early big band stuff?
yeah, I'd rather listen to louis prima/cab calloway/bennie goodman than wub wubs.
The choice of electroswing is probably one of the only ways to recapture what the music of the era actually felt like to the people of that time period. You listen to that music now and it sounds nostalgic, people will say its music from 'the good ol' days' and it comes across and cute and rinky. But ragtime and jazz had completely different connotations to the people living in that time period. Your mom didn't want you listening to jazz, your priest probably held sermons against it, newspapers ran articles about how it was corrupting the youth. The way you feel about modern music now, be it rap or phunk or whatever, is how people back then felt.
That's why Baz Luhrman put rap and hiphop into his version of The Great Gatsby. You can't express how the 1920s felt modern to people back then with the actual music of the time period.
I will say maybe they should have used Big Band from the 1930s-1950s. Actual 1920s ragtime might not have the energy needed for the action setpieces. It's just a bit too old.
>electroswing is probably one of the only ways to recapture what the music of the era actually felt like to the people of that time period.
So they were annoyed? Why dress the characters in era appropriate clothing then? Why use booze as the prohibited substance? If the goal was to capture the same “feeling” for a modern age, they should be wearing contemporary fashion and be smuggling club drug pills. Ain’t no priest is holding sermons against electro swing either. The music should probably be some SoundCloud Xanax rap or something.
I respect the decision to use electro swing if that was an artistic choice, but it def wasn’t the only way to use jazz and create excitement to modern ears. Cowboy bebop borrowed a page from several eras of jazz and it sounds fresh and exciting as hell and always will because the music is largely timeless. Electroswing sounds dated. It was a short lived niche trend.
>Electroswing sounds dated. It was a short lived niche trend.
now your're being delusional. Until the sampler/looper dies , then derivative music like this is not niche, or short lived.
Now YOU’RE being delusional. Just because something uses a sampler or looper doesn’t mean it can’t age. Remember the Postman Christmas movie? That pop song was the worst part about it because it took what could have been a timeless classic and cemented it as a 2020’s thing by using a song that sounded very 2020’s. Electro swing had a moment in the mid to late 2010’s. It’s obviously still around but sounds kind of gimmicky and very much dates the production. Same with dubstep, IDM, stomp clap indie rock, freak folk, or nowadays lofi hip hop to <do whatever> to. Also see happy hardcore, hyper pop, rap metal… Jazz is timeless. The smart move would be to embrace the classics and use that to their advantage — especially when it fits the theme. Using straight 20’s-30’s music might be tricky, but I think with the right people (and possibly cheating here and there) they could create something amazing, unique, and timeless so the series feels relevant in any decade.
I prob would preferred something akin to Moondog's stuff imo
That mashup of classical swing, jazz, and tribal music (!) with a heavy melodic bent
Love most of this guy's stuff
Moondog is great. Not 100% sure it would make great underscoring since it tends to call too much attention to itself, but it’d be cool to see regardless.
Some of Raymond Scott’s early work might be interesting
Yeah I get you
I know this is like the nth time that show's been brought up in these threads, but maybe a bit of that stems from me being a bit disappointed by HB's underscore
I just want a bit of something that goes above the average cartoon score a tad, ya know?
>Some of Raymond Scott’s early work might be interesting
Yeah
Any early selection of his besides Powerhouse would be a treat
Not to knock Powerhouse, of course
I like electronic music (including edm, dubstep, and eelctro swing) and classic jazz.
I haven't watched the trailer, but i read the webcomic.
Jazz would probably fit better but thats not to say that electro swing couldnt work.
Watch the pilot and see what you think.
I'm wasn't the biggest fan. When the initial car chase started I expected to hear some ripping jazz shit to underscore the excitement. Instead we got a drop and some wub wubs which felt kinda weird and out of place to me.
I'm not an artist or a musician so what do I know, and considering most people seem to disagree with me I guess my misgivings are misguided?
Murder drones fans just keep on winning
People would need to latch onto it en masse to make going indie a viable option. Shows like lackadaisy, hh/hb, murder drones, etc are blazing trails but if any of them REALLY blows up, we might see an indie renaissance
Dunno if it will happen. Indie will always be niche.
Is it truly that you'd want the mainstream success or just simply attract the attention of individuals who have lots of money and interest in animation? I've been in circles who had people whom had the money via rich family members but they're usually some of the dumbest mother frickers you will encounter. They will have an interest in supporting animated projects but only if they get some say in how it's run usually meaning you'd have to do tons of tard wrangling.
I have no idea why but anytime I see someone in the indie circle (comics or animation) who has the money to fund projects easy, they're usually the most extreme of the left-leaning, autistic, all of the LGBTQ terms, all this extra shit. It's rarely ever someone relatively normal even in a business sense.
> anytime I see someone in the indie circle (comics or animation) who has the money to fund projects easy, they're usually the most extreme of the left-leaning, autistic, all of the LGBTQ terms, all this extra shit.
Got examples? How many?
What's imaginative about anthropomorphic cats in clothes? Disney has made movies like this for years.
tell me one
But we’re they bootleg gin running gangsters?
Reminds me of Naoto...
>You're not gonna bite the back of my neck and run your barbed wiener in me, are you?
I can't wait till S1 premieres in 2030.
>Yet another homosexual in the cast
Heterosexuality is dead.
>joke image
>anon shits his pants
Humor is dead
>IT'S JUST A JOKE BRO
Absolute braindead excuse
Wow... That's a fanart? It's the first time I see a piece of lackadaisy fanart that is as good as Tracy's artwork.
Actually, I take that back. I like it even better than Tracy's sketches. Who's the artist?
Credited as @XPivon89934.
Thanks!
Larger version. Ivy a cute.
I appreciate your efforts
So... Does anyone has obscure indie projects they'd like to promote?
I gave this a watch, and I actually really, really like it. It's actually funny and there's some pretty clever dialogue. I'd recommend this to any other anon that might be interested!
seems like it might be dead forever, unfortunately. Apparently they got screwed by Final Space coming out right before they released the pilot so networks decided they had enough shows about a hapless egotistical blonde guy mucking about in space.
I get it, but it fricking sucks that we could have gotten this, but instead we got...that.
plague roach surviving the apocalypse
sublo and tangy mustard
I want to lick Ivy but she's a cat and I don't want any cat hairs in my mouth.
>indie cartoon thread
>literally just coomers talking about Lackadaisy and nothing else
Post some
Still gutted that we probably won’t be getting more of this
Still cant believe how hard lackadaisy demolished hazbin homotel
Vivzie on eternal suicide watch kek
Go back to bed indiegay. You already ruined video games, we don't need you to ruin cartoons too. We have enough IPs already.
>You already ruined video games
The saved vidya
If it weren't for indies I would've dropped the modern side of the medium long ago
>The saved vidya
You're not just wrong, you have bad grammar.
Should proofread my stuff more lol
Anywho, I'm just playin' around anon
Indie cartoon thread, eh?
Frick it. I've been working on an 8-minute animated short since Feb 2022. It's just a goofy, superhero comedy called "Golden Boy and Gorpion", in which they fight a different supervillain every episode. The villain in the first episode is a cowboy/farmer villain named "Ranch Hand", who wants to destroy the city & return everything to a pastoral way of life. Also, Gorpion only makes monkey/gorilla noises, but has subtitles for what he's actually saying.
No deep lore or complex ongoing story, just a series of wacky adventures to hang jokes on. The kind of thing that I would've liked watching when I was 12. I've been toiling away at this thing for a while now, but I'm more than halfway done with the first episode. (The audio in these clips is just all my voice acting/scratch audio)
https://streamable.com/ixjccg
https://streamable.com/qxgfzs
I don't expect to set the world on fire with this thing (when it's eventually out.) I just want to make something a bit substantial that I can point to with pride and say, "Hey, I MADE this."
Looks great, good luck anon. I hope you find success, and I'll promote it once it's out.
>No deep lore or complex ongoing story, just a series of wacky adventures to hang jokes on
I wish anyone here luck with their indie cartoons but I'd rather have deep lore, also I don't see any waifus. Maybe fix that.
I'd give it a watch
Remember to shill it here and also add a reoccurring female character if you want to maximize viewership
Could be simple so that you don't have to put in her for long and have to worry about female voices.
>dispatch spy girl who tells the heroes about what the villains are up to
>sister who is trying to find out his secret identity
>mad scientist/zoologist friend who was the reason by Gorpion has a tail like that
>female friend/gf who always interrupts the fight by calling for mundane shit
>fan who wants to be a side-kick but sucks at being a hero and makes things worse
>finally got my Essentials Artbook from the original Kickstarter
>only two of the corners are damaged
Physical media chads stay winning...
>I haven't worked on my indie cartoon in months
what is it about?
a sketchy goth cat girl struggling to live in a world of cartoons.
>big goth tiddies
>no big goth gut
Immersion broken.
Well, Get on it. Every day counts
You are right, I will try to work on it more often.
Yeah dude, you got this. Nobody can make you do the work but you so get after it.
Indie's looking pretty good right now. Glad these shows are getting more popular.
Anyone got a current favourite? I'm enjoying Murder Drones a lot right now, a big part of that being I'm already a fan of Liam Vicker's previous works. To go from reading his stories aloud, to an animatic series, to a fully fledged and produced show is pretty nuts. Vickers does writing, art, AND music at the same time, I respect his grit and I'm glad he's getting the recognition he deserves with Murder Drones.
Yeah, it’s cool. I wish they’d drop the 60fps thing though. It makes the animation look a bit cheap.
Not sure what you mean, the animation looks excellent regardless. Ever since started dropping the mo-cap between the Pilot and Ep 2-onward, the animation has been really, really good.
The frame rate makes it look like a video game cut scene. I wish they animated in 24 fps
It's a 3D cartoon. Why would it be animated in 24 frames? That would look horrible. Weird complaint.
60fps is a gamer thing. All shows and movies 3d or not are 24 fps.
Still a weird complaint, especially when 60fps isn't a detriment to the show at all. Like the other anon said, it's made in Unreal engine. How does 60fps make it look "cheap"?
for the same reason that frame interpolation algorithms on TVs make blockbuster movies look like crappy soap operas. It's such a problem that it has been called "the soap opera effect".
https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/soap-opera-effect-motion-interpolation
I don't see that issue with Murder Drones at all. It's a web show, so what's the issue?
nta, but I don't think anon is saying that motion interpolation is specifically at play here, but the article explains that part of the reason soap operas looked cheaper than studio films is that they were shot at 30fps instead of the standard hollywood 24fps.
Higher framerates reduces motion blur which gives hollywood films their dreamy quality. While the increase in framerate is good for gameplay since you can see details which may be critical to success, from a purely media consumption angle, it's typically synonymous with low budget productions.
I agree with anon that it looks kind of cheap, but I'm old and don't play games. I also think that vertical "portrait" alignment in video is pretty stupid, but that's a battle that phones, tik tok, instagram, and now youtube are winning. Guess I'm just too old to get on board.
Fair, I disagree that it looks cheap with MD, but you're probably right that it might just be a generational thing and you're not used to looking at it - while a younger audience is already used to consuming media with higher frame rates.
>I also think that vertical "portrait" alignment in video is pretty stupid
It's funny, there used to be videos and memes people would make poking fun at people who didn't hold their phones horizontally to shoot videos in 16:9 (landscape) mode. Now there are platforms that restrict videos to 9:16 format.
I'm guessing you're a gamer?
Murder Drones is made for zoomers
Zoomers don't care about "cinematic" traditions like 24 fps
Zoomers don't want filler or B plots, they just want the main story to keep moving
Zoomers want flash frame lore hints and ship bait to make sure there's always some online discussion
None of these are bad things, anon.
>none of those are bad thigns
well yeah, I'm a zoomer. Murder drones was made for ME.
doll was made for me
J was made for ME.
>Anti-Satan Trips
He's too powerful. And it has inspired me to keep going.
I wouldn't call myself a gamer, but I get your point. I probably just don't have the eyes for what you're seeing, or I've never really payed attention to it. It might just be subjective. With Murder Drones it doesn't look "cheap" to me. 60 fps with the smooth and bouncy animation looks really good. Ever since they got Kevin Temmer on board it's looked exceptional, in my eyes at least. Your mileage will vary, obviously.
>Verificqtion not required.
just blink really fast
>look like a video game cut scene
well its made in unreal engine
you can even tell when they switched from 4 to 5
>I think it makes the animation look a bit cheap
Yeah, I don't know about that man. The animation for Murder Drones is honestly pretty good.
Lackadaisy backer kit is currently at $1,320,808. It might get to $1.5mil, but $2mil might be a stretch. Keeping my fingers crossed
WE NEED MUH 2 MILLION I WANT THAT BLU-RAY!
Frick the blu ray, but they’ll be able to make longer episodes
>As Lackadaisy happens there's a cat Hitler with cat stormtroopers writing Mein Kamph where he blames cat israelites for backstabbing cat Germany leading to Cat Weirmer where Mom and kitten cats sell their bodies to keep from starving.
>>As Lackadaisy happens there's a cat Hitler with cat stormtroopers writing Mein Kamph where he blames cat israelites for backstabbing cat Germany leading to Cat Weirmer where Mom and kitten cats sell their bodies to keep from starving.
Isn't that just maus?
CUTE
>Helluva Boss / Hazbin
Furries and troons
>Murder Drones
Robofrickers
>Lackadaisy
Furries again
Any other semi-popular indie toons? Are furries becoming the trend?
Furries have deep pockets and are eager to expand their "furrydom". I don't think these shows are particularly aimed at baiting furries, but the fact that they have anthropomorphic characters probably doesn't hurt.
Containment was a non-furry indie toon but it was unfortunately abandoned. Monkey Wrench is arguably furry-related. Sublo and Tangy Mustard has a parrot but isn't particularly furry. An Egg's Guide to Minecraft is not furry. Guava Juice Show is not furry.
Unfortunately there aren't a whole lot of ongoing animated series. Most of them are one episode and then the creator abandons it due to insufficient funding or too much work load for too small a team. I don't know if the future is furry, but it probably doesn't hurt if you're trying to get something off the ground since using anthro characters ropes in a huge built-in audience who primarily exists online.
Furry helps with advertising.
I first became aware of HB because of all the art/porn of Loona
I first became aware of the existence of the Lackadaisy pilot from a bump in the art/porn of Ivy
I don’t keep up with the going ons on Cinemaphile all the time. But I do jerk off most days. Seeing the same character show up multiple times will eventually provoke a
>what is this character from?
which might lead me to check it out. Maybe it’s the autism and I’ll admit it’s gotten more lax than it used to be but damn if furry content isn’t tagged much better on their sites than regular smut is elsewhere
Same, except I'm a robofricker and not a furgay. Interesting how toons always owe it all to porn. And they say coomers are good for nothing.
I sure hope robofrickers tag their shit well. If the people who like animal people can get it down, the people into robot people, something that would thrive on cataloging shit, have no excuse
From what I've seen, robofrickers are even more anal about tagging. Better make sure you include the LED screen-face tag for that robogirl, anon. How else are the other robofrickers going to get off?
I can envision a scenario where you tag the hyper specifically and it leads to like 5 pictures in each tag which would be lame as hell
But in general, I’d rather things be over tagged than under tagged
There's indie animation that isn't fetish fuel?
>Perky Towers series never
wtf?!