>Initially portrayed as a selfish c**t who doesn't care about the consequences of her actions. She wants all wishes to be granted even if they are evil wishes because "we can just fix them later or whatever"
>Doesn't change throughout the movie, doesn't learn ANYTHING
>All she does is seal away the only man who could stop her, and then lets everyone get all their wishes granted. She's still a selfish, immature c**t to the end.
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Finally a villain protagonist
Perfect portrayal of a black teenage activist
#justice4magnifico
Aka the model leftist activist, as sponsored by blackrock. Disney needs to stop.
reminder that all media is now made for women and a woman's biggest fantasy is to change nothing but be proven inherently right and superior by the universe
reminder that you will eat alone for most of your life, and then die alone
cope and seethe
Reminder that rent free.
And it's all failing because women aren't paying customers. They are passengers of paying customers: men. They on average don't play videogames (out of millions, maybe only hundreds play actual console games), go to theaters, or read comics. Billions are wasted trying to get their money. The only things women reliably buy are Apple products, Starbucks, and fast food.
>(out of millions, maybe only hundreds play actual console games)
There's millions of women who play video games on consoles. Over half of all Animal Crossing players are female.
don't you have schoolwork to do?
well duh. if women are right and superior as proven by the universe then nothing needs to change. checkmate.
Magnifico was an unrepentant villain not because he wouldn't grant wishes, but he wouldn't grant 'enough'.
I can't get over how bad this script was.
Will he receive the Hans treatment, forever humiliated in shorts and never appearing again in a movie?
>shorts
>movies
They will never shill Wish ever again
At least Hans, as shoehorned and nonsensical as it was, was still a bad person and an actual villain. Magnifico was a decent guy who was reasonable in his beliefs.
>was still a bad person and an actual villain.
I dunno. He seems more useful in hindsight considering that Elsa is canonically off playing with woodland creatures and shirking responsibilities to her naive younger sister for the eternity of her life. Anna is only getting by as a good queen due to Disney plot armor, but the Frozen franchise has consistently been branded more toward little kids than any other princesses. Olaf is literally a mascot for kids and acts like one.
Elsa had a stupid panic attack and decided she couldn't do her job. Frozen are horrible films about self centered women.
Kek. After I noticed how elsagate leeches onto everything, I started hating Frozen and by extension, modern Disney.
Hans was probably the best ruler Arendelle had in years.
>calm in a crisis
>put the civilians first
>went along to end the storm and bring the Princesses back despite being the only qualified leader left for the populace
>for some reason stops Weselton’s goons from murdering Elsa despite her being the cause of the storm and literally in his way to marry Anna for the crown
>did not destroy people’s homes or livelihoods for esoteric spirit bullshit
Hans is actually a good ruler compared to Elsa if we are going off Machiavelli's standards from The Prince. Machiavelli himself said that a good ruler needs to know when to use cunning and when to use strength because situations for rulers will vary according to circumstances, of which there will be a lot if rulers are to constantly guard themselves from assassination or getting sieged (either internal or external). But Frozen is a bullshit utopia only capable of surviving via Disney logic.
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kek this looks like a constable frozen edit i love it
It was actually because he didn't return the wishes that he took if he decided not to grant them, regardless of if they were dangerous or not; but I can understand not watching the movie. Dr Facilier did what Magnifico does a hundred times better, and his movie was only marginally better.
It's kind of the same problem that DnD is facing with a lot of its official adventures, where everything is already so nice and sanitized that there's no need for a hero. Everyone is already happy, so the problem is 'well, maybe this one guy could be a little less mean. Not that he's, like, a villain, he's just a bit of a dick.'
Modern writers are incapable of writing a world in which the main character has suffered because they themselves have never wanted for anything. They don't know what it's like.
Yeah modern stories conflate butthole with evil which I think is a bit childish in the grand scheme of things. It's like you're not allowed to have butthole """good""" guys anymore unless they explicitly have a change of heart
And even then you're not even willing to give them a change of heart. Like the rest of the movie would still suck but I think if they just saved Magnifico in the end it probably wouldn't be THIS abysmal.
>And even then you're not even willing to give them a change of heart
Unless they're girls, in which case all of them get a redemption no matter how far off the looney bin they go.
Think that topped out with Catra, which might be the worst redemption story in all of television.
Or that b***h from Raya.
Only Donald is allowed to be an butthole good guy.
>It was actually because he didn't return the wishes that he took if he decided not to grant them, regardless of if they were dangerous or not; but I can understand not watching the movie. Dr Facilier did what Magnifico does a hundred times better, and his movie was only marginally better.
that were freely given to him by his citizens, and not having them didn't ruin their lives one bit, it actually made it better for most of them
Just because you didn't win the lottery doesn't give you the right to demand the payment back
Not to mention, the ending proved that people can make new wishes. So who cares?
>It was actually because he didn't return the wishes that he took if he decided not to grant them, regardless of if they were dangerous or not; but I can understand not watching the movie.
If you watched the movie, you'd know that it didn't matter that he didn't return citizens' wishes because despite holding them hostage, the citizens could take them back whenever they wanted because "they had that power inside them all along."
It's because he would keep the wishes so the people could never try to achieve it themselves. I'm sure it worked a lot better in an early script. This movie has studio rewrite all over it.
>so the people could never try to achieve it themselves
>Magnifico kept morons from jumping off roofs while flapping their arms to see if they could fly
Reasonable.
That's why I said it probably worked better in an earlier draft. I think it kinda makes sense. They should have made it so he's taking them by force or something. I agree he doesn't come off as a bad guy. What is the MC supposed to do when people ask him for terrible wishes that negatively affect everyone around them? Does she just ignore it? Seems like the same thing the bad guy is doing. She just isn't keeping her thoughts away from the people. She lets them keep their insane wishes so they may make them come true without magic. Which is arguably worse.
>so the people could never try to achieve it themselves
Couldn't they just... do that?
Why is plan A like
>"Well I know literally everyone I've ever talked to who's given their wishes away has forgotten about them when they didn't get granted, because could you imagine the sheer nationwide stupidity needed to somehow pretend nobody ever fricking noticed that, but still my plan A is hand it over and cross my fingers the lottery lands on me."
>"Not, you know, try and achieve it and then do the wish thing if I can't because at that point I literally have nothing to lose."
It'd be one thing if he stole their wishes or something but literally the only time we see it in the movie is when someone is physically handing it to him. You can't say people are willingly handing something over and he's also a badguy for having the things they handed to him. The gas station attendant isn't an butthole for not giving your 5 back after you got shit all at the lottery.
But some wishes are literally impossible to achieve yourself without the aid of a sorcerer.
Also a lot of these are just not wanting to do any work or have any failures.
>I want to be an awesome dressmaker, so just skip all that work and shit needed to get good at it.
>I want to inspire people! No, I don't want to accept that maybe I'd have to try that a lot because inspiration in any form is a finicky thing, I want them to be inspired and happy because of a thing I did that just works one time without any work put into it.
>I literally just do not want to lift heavy things and put them back down until muscles form it's literally that easy just pick up heavy shit a lot.
To say nothing of shit like someone just wanting someone else to deal with her kids she herself calls horrible. Like, maybe you'd have an easier job finding someone if you worked to make your kids not horrible? Then at the end they all just get cheat codes.
What the frick is the message here.
The stakes of the story are too abstract to work. And the utopia has no visible downsides aside from mild feeling of emptiness for 1 known character
Who, it should be noted, has lived a long full life with a loving family. The grandpa is ONE HUNDRED. You can probably count on one hand the number of people who'd make it that long in all of Europe in any given century before the 1900s and modern medicine. To the degree that it is a dystopia, it's the mildest one I've ever seen. Omelas sacrificed one single child as opposed to secret police or color or some shit, and it still doesn't come close. There is absolutely zero chance that their lives got better after deposing Magnifico.
I don’t think anon is referring to Asha’s grandpa. I think they’re referring to Simon, Asha’s friend who ratted her out. They make multiple references to him being boring and empty and depressed after giving up his wish. The story’s pretty forgettable so it’s easy to get confused.
His personality didn't change in the ending, or promotional materials.
The seven friends are supposed to be the seven dwarves: Happy, Doc, Dopey, Grumpy, Sneezy, Bashful and Sleepy. Can you guess which one is Simon?
They screwed up in not making happy analog the miserable one.
i thought the bashful one’s was emphysema
Probably thought that was clever and meant to segue into Snow White and the Seven Ethically Diverse Bandits. Until Disney blinked on that and made them CGI Dwarves
Kek, I'll miss those bandits.
Ah the movie will have plenty of tracks to fall off of.
The Jesus-looking one in the back gets me every time, it's like he's ashamed
He looks more like he's looking at the viewer with a smug look.
Sleep just looks high AF
>no visible downsides aside from mild feeling of emptiness for 1 known character
Who, I feel should be pointed out, remains the same sleepy shit AFTER he gets his wish back.
to be fair, at that point the damage was already done, supposedly
Then keeping vs returning the wishes wouldn't have done anything, and the conflict is even more pointless.
>the moral of the story is people should work hard to achieve their wish
>oh by the way, you're now a fairy godmother that can just grant people's wishes
Puss in Boots TLW had the same morals, but they at least followed through with that message when none of the characters used the wishing star to get their wish granted.
And that wasn't even the main moral of that movie.
>the moral of the story is people should work hard to achieve their wish
Feels like Princess and the Frog already did this same message better a decade ago, and with an actually good villain with a good song while at it.
>the moral of the story is people should work hard to achieve their wish
it literally wasn't though? The "working hard" part is never adressed. I refuse to believe this is the actual moral of the movie
>give Magnifico a backstory and reasoning that justifies why he cannot grant every single wish and has to be frugal when doing so
>movie treats him as a bad guy for not being a nepotist and going against his beliefs
Ughhh, look at him, all worried about everyone's safety and stuff. You're not my dad, Magnifico! He totally deserves to rot forever in a magic prison.
It's amazing how he goes from 'kind but just when it comes to the kingdom's safety' to 'paranoid, evil wreck' in a span of two days in-universe
because as much people meme here, he was rotten inside. any time he pretends it's all about the goodness of his heart its him covering his ass. what he really wants is power, control and adoration.
that's why he's the only one who gets to deecide what wishes to grant and never gives them back. he wants subservient, borderline brainwashed subjects that mindlessly adore him.
the movie needed to lean into the dystopia more, like how most people in the kingdom feel hollow but they don't know why because they don't remember making wishes so they keep wishing for more and lose more of their identities. but disney is too safe to do something even slightly dark. the pieces are all there, it fumbles the execution
>what he really wants is power, control and adoration.
>that's why he's the only one who gets to deecide what wishes to grant and never gives them back. he wants subservient, borderline brainwashed subjects that mindlessly adore him.
Yeah, no shit, he's a KING. And not even a conqueror, he's just the ruler of a modest island with no intention of invading other territories. People from all over the world go to live in HIS island. If they don't like his rules, they can go anywhere else.
And if I had created a whole properous kingdom from scratch, you can bet my face would be everywhere too and I'd expect a lot of respect from my citizens.
he's still robbing people of their memories and identities, if you think that's good you're missing the point.
i'll grant you that the movie did a poor job at writing it but i seriously don't get how many people can take everything he says so much at face value
but they can make a new wish?
for every wish they make they lose memories and the ability to pursue said wish on their own hands. you could make the argument for bad wishes but why not give back harmless wishes? people don't even remember making the wish in the first place (and that's kind of a plot hole, you'd think people would notice others don't remember their own wishes).
magnifico is creating a kindgom of people completely subservient that can't ever rebel and can never achieve anything on their own solely to mantain his own power. that's what makes him evil, his intentions are purely selfiish and his supposed utopia comes at a steep price (your identity). it's as close as robbing people's souls in exchange for a chance at material gains.
i just wish the movie leaned harder because i agree that his punishment is still way too much. With how he's portrayed it feels like a redemption from a guy that was corrupted was the better option.
but you don't remember about the wish for arbitrary reasons. Plus nothing prevents you from making multiple wishes.
it's like a drug dealer selling drugs, he's creating a kingdom of people completely dependent on him
>but you don't remember about the wish for arbitrary reasons.
so you don't have to be constantly waiting for him to realize it and grow bitter/sad when he doesn't pick yours
but Saba was sad when his wasn't picked, despite not knowing what it was.
yeah and you can never achieve it on your own either. plus the emptiness doesn't go away
just because some guy has poor arguments against something it doesn't make your position stronger.
with how the movie portrays it people don't seem fully aware of what's really going on. even the happy kingdom is just a face, we see people unhappy and they can't even do anything about it.
you're ironically falling for the same manipulation he pulls off in the movie
It's not manipulation when it's objectively shown on screen that his kingdom is prosperous, nobody is forced to be there, nobody is forced to give up their wish if they don't want it granted, and that the wishes he does grant are fairly benevolent.
The only manipulation here is movie script trying to convince the audience that asha is doing a good thing and that everyone getting their wishes granted isn't going to end in a horrible disaster.
he created the system in which people give up their memories and live sad and unfulfilled not knowing why. it's explicitely shown in the movie. it could've done more but you're literally falling for the good face
just because someone has power doesn't mean he's good wiith it.
and what's entitled about asking to not erase people memories? She even says it it's ok to not grant bad wishes, but why not give back the "banal" ones?
>you can always find a new one
and since you don't remember about losing your memory you're likely to ask for a new wish, lose more memories and eventually become a husk.
it's more like a drug lord creating a group of devout consumers and justifying it with "it makes them happy"
>he created the system in which people give up their memories and live sad and unfulfilled not knowing why
The MC mother was doing okay.
>just because someone has power doesn't mean he's good wiith it.
Because he is the figure of authority, he built the kingdom, and made it a place where people from all-across the world gather.
Also magnifico isn't obligated to grant any wish at all, given that it's his own powers and he can do what he wants with them. Him onlu using his wishing powers in a way that would avoid endangering himself is also perfectly reasonable.
His system where people give up their memories would be bad, if he FORCED the people to undergo it. I would agree with you if the people were in anyway afraid of going to the ceremony, or if there was some sort of secret police that hunted down people that refused to take part. You know, the bare minimum you'd expect from a distopia.
But the writers are dumb enough to think that the real crime is not giving the people everything they want.
>His system where people give up their memories would be bad, if he FORCED the people to undergo it
he created the system and it's not like you have other wish granting people to create competition. It's no different from companies asking ludicrous prices for internet access because they can. "not buying" isn't really an option.
i'm sorry, what do you call a person erasing memories so people can't rebel against him? how the frick can you utter those words and still say "yep, the good guy?"
he's LITERALLY erasing people's memory so they can never feel discontent targeted at him
>he's LITERALLY erasing people's memory so they can never feel discontent targeted at him
Makes it a damn strange thing. How can people be upset over something they don't remember.
well, because... he erases theiir resentment? the movie implies some part of them remembers, but they can't understand why or who is responsible for it
that's still erasing memories. he created the memory toll in the first place
>How can people be upset over something they don't remember.
They weren't. Granda only got kind of whistful when Asha reminded him. She was getting offended on their behalf. Which is just.. all kinds of meta.
>She was getting offended on their behalf. Which is just.. all kinds of meta.
Well, of course! After all, she's just your everyday girl turned activist.
>i'm sorry, what do you call a person erasing memories so people can't rebel against him? how the frick can you utter those words and still say "yep, the good guy?"
He does not do that, though. People only forget the thing they're giving away, he taking their desire to fullfil that particular dream, like wanting to fly by flapping your arms like a stupid bird.
In fact, they start rebelling in front of him
when he's giving his speech about the traitor and the dangers of magic.
The problem is that he is erasing their memories of wanting to flappy their arms and fly, write a song, climbing a mountain, having a nanny and having a giant wiener
and that is not evil because..?
it's not as if those are the only wishes he erases on top of the fact he has no good reason to keep the memory deleted in the first place
>he's doing so to prevent unrest in the kingdom
that only makes him look even worse
he created the system. there's no other wish granting person in the world. the price is something he has no reason to take in the first place outside of a ploy to keep power.
he built a pyramid scheme with himself on top and does everything to not lose that position.
he's gotten his entire kingdom addicted on gambling and they don't even know they're addicted.
>he created the system. there's no other wish granting person in the world. the price is something he has no reason to take in the first place outside of a ploy to keep power.
>he built a pyramid scheme with himself on top and does everything to not lose that position.
>he's gotten his entire kingdom addicted on gambling and they don't even know they're addicted.
Okay and? They're still free to leave. They're free to not give up their wish. You know the gambling addicts are just as guilty as the casino. There's a little thing called personal accountability you might want to consider. Go make your wish come true the hard way. You are lazy and it's your own fault.
>Okay, you created this tax-free paradise where anyone can come and possibly have their wish magically granted for free, but because you tell people that you will take away unfulfilled desires as the price of admission to the magical lottery and those people chose to participate, you're evil.
Is that your position, anon?
Taking away desires is not evil, it is the path to nirvana.
fascinating counterpoint
>he built a pyramid scheme with himself on top and does everything to not lose that position.
It isn't a pyramid scheme, it would have been if he used the wishes to empower himself.
Pyramid schemes require recursion. So the people whose wishes he took would take wishes of their own and pass some up the chain. Pyramid schemes collapse when they can no longer sustain the exponential growth required to stay in operation.
Exactly, Magnifico is a lottery.
The songwriter didn't have anything to work with.
>The songwriter didn't have anything to work with.
proof in pic related, Julia didn't know anything
Yes, those lines are for generic conman kings.
It doesn't work for Magnifico.
Now that i think of it this is probably how Encanto was written as well. Except LMM (as much as I dislike him) actually has a background in musical songwriting so he was able to make something out of whatever unfinished ideas they gave him. Encanto is, like, a proper musical where the songs move the story along and such. Encanto I think also has a problem where it comes across like a first draft (though not nearly as bad as Wish) and there’s some unresolved/barely touched upon story threads, but LMM weaved the story well enough to where it’s not as noticeably bad as Wish.
>"not buying" isn't really an option
Except it literally is. There is nothing in the movie even IMPLYING that people are pressured or forced or guilted or anything into giving up their wishes. Every single incident of wish granting is explicitly with informed consent. You can't willingly, knowingly participate in a system and then b***h and moan when the system doesn't work in your favor.
This is like blowing a hundred bucks on lottery tickets and then going down to the gas station and demanding your money back when you don't win the jackpot. You chose to give that money up, dipshit, don't get upset when you can't have it back.
people can "not buy", sure, but as long as people need wishes granted he'll have enough suckers to turn into loyal subjects.
real lotteries prey on desperate people who hope to win it big because the system rarely lets people get out of their birth social standing.
even if most people choose not to buy he just needs enough people to buy in.
as i said, it's a pyramid scheme
>There's a little thing called personal accountability you might want to consider
you're the one not considering it in the first place because you think magnifico is 100% right despite creating the casino.
and i'll always consider the casino the guiltier part because they're the one selling the addicting stuff.
>tax-free
>you have to take part in a magical lottery that costs your memories
and he's clearly not doing it out of the goodness of his heart or to make his subjects reach nirvana
>people can "not buy", sure, but
But nothing. You just said it. They can NOT BUY. That's the end. It's via choice. You can't play the game and then pout when you lose.
if you need a thing and only one person sells the thing "not buying" isn't an option. he's the only one selling wishes in the setting and worst of all, losing is an arbitrary condition he imposes that he has no good reason for.
why is he keeping the memories in the first place?
>if you need a thing
You DON'T NEE THE THING. You WANT THE THING. You can make your dream come true through hard work. Unless it's something moron like flapping your wings in which case you're stupid in the first place. He's not charging you for food, air, homes, peace or any other basic human right.
you're wasting time arguing examples. if you need a grievous injury, like a lost arm regrown he's the only one that can do it.
but the point is that he created an intentionally rotten system and is himself a rotten, power hungry dictator on an ego trip.
when you hit everything you're bound to get a good target. the point is that he can't be trusted with judgement because he's one person with all the authority and is a proven egotist
>if you need a grievous injury, like a lost arm regrown he's the only one that can do it.
Man if only the movie showed us stuff like that instead of people wanting to flap their arms or became rock stars without the work.
>you're wasting time arguing examples
Examples are vital and I'd argue it's a core flaw of the movie's premise, if not THE core flaw. This is actually a morally complex situation and we're given very limited examples within the movie, pretty much all of which fail to really demonstrate either side's point. It neither convincingly argues Asha's side nor does it address incredibly obvious questions like "What about bad wishes?". Nevertheless, the movie takes a hardline stance, which doesn't jive with how little they've justified it.
I don't think any criticism will be more apt than this
they don't know the concept of variety. You can have one film with romance and then the next film doesn't focus on that but on something else. It's all or nothing.
Prior to Frozen 2 Elsa was given a lot of characterization in supplementary novels and comics that made her out to be a good ruler so idk what happened there.
This is a good idea too
>Prior to Frozen 2 Elsa was given a lot of characterization in supplementary novels and comics that made her out to be a good ruler so idk what happened there.
The woman who is in charge of the Frozen franchise want people to like Anna more than her.
>Prior to Frozen 2 Elsa was given a lot of characterization in supplementary novels and comics that made her out to be a good ruler so idk what happened there.
High doubt still on Elsa being a good ruler. Old Disney has never really put emphasis on rulers (typically its on the prince, king, etc) but the gist of it was because they acknowledge the activities of the rulers as unimportant for their target audience: the young and impressionable youth who need to understand the characteristics of being good people. The princesses have always been portrayed as good people but they have never displayed any true capability for ruling. Newer Disney is very much Cicero logic in thinking rulers are required to have a moral disposition to rule effectively.
Disney could write dozens of books on why Elsa is a good person, but being a good person does not always translate to being good ruler. Except with Disney. It's actually pretty jarring that people think that if they themselves are good people, others will want them to take the lead. But the truth is people take advantage of good people in the long run.
I think Aladdin was the last time they explicitly had a good person be a terrible ruler.
Sometimes removing the memory makes for a better person. A man may wish to murder more women than Ted Bundy, but with his wish removed he can finally be a productive member of the community.
>he's clearly not doing it out of the goodness of his heart
>Ugh, this man is doing magical charity work for reasons I don't approve of.
Okay. He's still doing magical charity work.
and erasing people memories because... uhm... he just has to, ok? don't ask questions, just trust him when he says he has a good reason
Probably because people would flood the magical lottery every month with the same wish, over and over again, refusing to move on with their lives.
at that point wouldn't it be better if it was an actual lottery? every x days you select a citizen, they make their wish
>if it's a bad wish then you just ask them to change it or you select another person
>if it's good you grant it
you make a rule like "no people can win twice" and you have the same exact utopia except now you don't need people to blndly gamble their memories away
i agree with that, the movie is shittily written but magnifico is still a villain even if he's not as bad as the movie wants us to believe it.
i think the movie should've redeemed it, like a guy who starts with good intentions but wasn't quite ready for the responsability and choses increasingly wrong ideas
>if it's a bad wish then you just ask them to change it or you select another person
Ah, yes, good thinking. I'm sure nobody would end up staging a coup for being told "NO". Right?
if you need to erase memories to prevent discontent you're not a good king
And if you need a wish to make your dream come true then you never would have succeeded anyways.
that doesn't change the fact magnifico is a bad king and a worse person.
and even then, what if your dream is something you can't physically do because of an incurable disability? the movie was dumb to not address it but it's a possibility.
>that doesn't change the fact magnifico is a bad king and a worse person
Dude, are you Asha? How is he a bad king?
he erases memores so people can't oppose him?
Wishes have nothing to do with opposing him, though.
He's not gaining anything from the wishes, they profit no profit.
so why is he keeping the memory as well despite not needing to? they can't all be bad wishes
Why does the movie say he's doing it?
It's because he believes that it's better for someone with an unachievable/ungrantable wish to not have it weigh down their souls.
And is that so bad? If you're so downtrodden from the death of your wife that it affects your life negatively, having that feeling magically disappear so you can live a normal life seems like a good thing.
Instead of going to years of therapy, you just put your wish up and it either gets granted, or you're cured if your depression.
>picrel
thats a good point. I imagine Buddhists dont like Asha's moral worldview
Disney mothers also hate her
Buddhism is nihilism.
The movie only shows ONE person who was sad when he forgot his wish. Everyone else in the movie was shown to be their normal selves. And the funny thing is that the ONE person who was sad because he felt empty didn't really change much after the supposed ending where having wishes granted fulfill people.
It's just a shitty movie.
Can you just stop spamming this thread with your troll posts already? Please and thank you.
Erasing memories is the best way to stop discontent
>It's no different from companies asking ludicrous prices for internet access because they can. "not buying" isn't really an option.
So you want to live in his Utopia and play his Wish Lottery for free. You're the one buying in. You don't have to. You can, and this might surprise you, PUT IN THE EFFORT TO MAKE YOUR WISH COME TRUE THE NORMAL WAY!! Put in the effort. This is such a testament to modern society wanting everything for free and handed to them were the very idea of NOT risking your dream on a wish lottery to put in the effort is alien. Notice how he doesn't outlaw music, art, culture, chickens or whatever. There's no sign of him dragging people off to dungeons for potentially stepping on his toes. None of that happens. He's just choosy with the free shit he hands out. And that's within his right because he's the one handing it out.
>But the writers are dumb enough to think that the real crime is not giving the people everything they want.
I mean, when you grow up so wealthy that someone telling you "no, you can't have that" is the most traumatizing thing that's ever happened to you, then I suppose you villainize people who tell you "no".
>With how he's portrayed it feels like a redemption from a guy that was corrupted was the better option.
At some point during production they decided that they wanted an outright villain to contrast with the recent run of redeemed villains and no villain movies, and that decision doesn't seem to have come with a complete reexamination of the script.
oh, absolutely, he feels like he was changed last second and that's a glaring flaw. he's written more like a guy starting with good intentions and then getting corrupted by his ego and power. that and i'm 100% he was meant as a twist villain
>why not give back harmless wishes?
Now ask yourself what constitutes a harmless wish.
I want ice cream!
I want a bunch of palm trees around my house!
I wanna be white!
The first two wishes are worded too vaguely and now you have massive amounts of ice cream and palm trees, more than you could possibly know what to do with. You can’t possibly eat the ice cream before it all melts and there are so many trees you have to navigate through a massive forest just to make it out of your house.
As for the third wish? Congratulations, you’re white. As in, the actual color. You cease to exist as a human and are now just a random splotch of white.
Magnifico give the family a freezer and an infinite supply of ice cream, and then he gives the other guy palm tree seeds that he can plant all over his yard.
No big deal?
The big thing to note about giving wishes to Magnifico is that it's all consensual. Magnifico gets to grow his kingdom while the citizens get to live there for free. That's a really great symbiotic deal, especially for the time period. You and I may think forfeiting your wish to a rigged lottery is a bad idea, but if the parties involved in the trade are satisfied, why complain? It's really none of your business and I think Disney should promote the idea of respecting free will even if you disagree with the actions; as long as it isn't affecting anyone else, why should you care?
>he's still robbing people of their memories and identities
he's not, he's just taking away a wish from them, if you let a single wish decide who you are as a person then that's on you, and it's not like he doesn't plan to keep it to himself forever, if he sees it's reasonable and well thought-out, he will make it come true in due time
>I seriously don't get how many people can take everything he says so much at face value
Because his opposition is a neophyte idiot too naive to understand how bad an idea "just grant everyone's wishes or give them back" is.
Because everything he does is with not just consent, but informed consent. It's glossed over in the narrative, and because, again, neophyte idiot, but everyone has to be aware that 1: there's a high probability that their wish won't be granted, just from basic math and the frequency of the wish granting ceremony, and 2. people who give him their wishes don't remember what they were (except when they do when it suits the narrative).
Because we don't give two shits about his motivations, we care about the results, and he has stunningly good results. With his power he decided to... create a small kingdom where everyone was safe, happy, and could come and go as they pleased.
>he's still robbing people of their memories and identities, if you think that's good you're missing the point.
Of wanting to havia a nanny?
Now that woman will have to take care of her own children HERSELF! Being annoyed by them was the most beautiful part of herself, Magnifico is truly a monster.
The irony is that this was supposed to make Magnifico looks petty
it does? he's the one saying the children are horrible
Why would a medieval mother need someone to look over them if the kids were well-adjusted? She would just put them to work.
This is possessed!Magnifico.
I meant that he hoarding that wish was an attempt to make him unreasonable, but made the citizens look entitled instead.
to be fair if your business involves granting wishes you'll get a lot of low quality ones. what makes him a villain is the fact he created the system in the first place and he has full control over it, applying said power only to prop himself up as the god king
The problem is that the kingdom is portrayed as too utopic, it lacks stuff painted on smiles or empty eyes.
that i agree, it could've done more. there is something there already tho (people feeling empty and sad and not knowing why), so i'm still puzzled why so many people blndly side with magnifico. even the one clip disney showed officially still makes it clear he's a power tripping egotist and any good point he makes is just gaslighting
How is he "gaslighting"?
it's clear he's not granting wishes for arbitrary reasons and has no good reason why he couldn't give them back. sure, it makes sense not to grant bad or evil wishes, but the neutral ones? if he doesn't want to grant them why not give them back?
he doesn't offer many arguments besides saying "i know best"
>has no good reason why he couldn't give them back. sure, it makes sense not to grant bad or evil wishes, but the neutral ones? if he doesn't want to grant them why not give them back?
he doesn't offer many arguments besides saying "i know best"
It's logical if you think about it
that green text only makes sense if he was meant to be a good guy corrupted by power, which is not what the movie implies. sure, it would make more sense if it was the case, but disney sucks at writing.
you seem like the kind of homosexual that wears masks and goes on lockdown because "people who know best told you so". why do you believe so blindly in what a cartoon villain says? you're even dismissing proof his utopia is not all sunshine and rainbows by saying "some people are not doing as bad"
Too high media literacy, this movie went against every narrative convention of stories about wishes.
>? you're even dismissing proof his utopia is not all sunshine and rainbows by saying "some people are not doing as bad"
The only person looking bad is not!sleepy
The movie shows he's a flawed good guy corrupted by evil power.
The irony here is that this post was obviously written by a vaccinated person.
Because he's running a kingdom and ungranted wishes breed resentment. He's preventing a revolution, which is what happens anyway. It should be about freedom of thought and choice but that's against Disney's religion so it's about a selfish b***h wanting everything instead.
The main conflict is basically that the MC grandfather didn't win a lottery.
"Wish/Desires are the best part of us" when normally it is "screw wishes/desires, bounds are the best thing!!!"
People watched Bruce Almighty.
People have more than a single wish, if you are alive, you can always find a new one.
Magnifico is both the legitimate king and the source of the wishes, which validates him as the arbiter.
The wishes we got to see are banal, nonsensical or abstract.
Possessed by the evil book.
>even the one clip disney showed officially still makes it clear he's a power tripping egotist and any good point he makes is just gaslighting
It accidentally made him look like the responsible one, and Asha looked entitled
I'm just laughing at how this b***h's greatest wish was for someone else to manage her kids and Magnifico is supposed to be a villain for thinking it's stupid. I would've snapped long before he did.
What a fricked up movie
Evidently they are if the mother's one wish is for someone else to raise them!
Don't forget the one guy from The City of Rosas song whose wish was to have really long hair.
And that's the most beautiful part of him!
>i'll grant you that the movie did a poor job at writing it but i seriously don't get how many people can take everything he says so much at face value
Considering all the stuff that goes against him doesn't even achieve a level of face value resting squarely on "he's bad just trust us bro" I'd sooner take his FRICKING UTOPIA as a standard over some brat having a tantrum because she didn't get nepotism
>he's still robbing people of their memories and identities, if you think that's good you're missing the point.
He's not robbing them, they're willingly handing it to him knowing the risk.
>B-but maybe they don't know the risk!
No yeah absolutely nobody in the entire kingdom of this massive event shared their wishes before the big shiny ceremony where they were seen handing them over and didn't remember afterwards. Nobody even wondered "Hey what was that thing I asked for?" aloud!
The movie was so poorly written it made them all seem like they would willingly give up their dreams on the off chance someone can make it just happen for them out of thin air, and the end moral is "THIS GUY is the bad one in the situation because he didn't just do that!"
Even if he did, is that really so bad? The world that they live in is a utopia. At least it isn't something like The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas where a kid is being tortured for an eternity so everyone else will be happy.
He does not force anyone to make a wish. Also, he lets people live in his land with no rent or seemingly paying taxes while the kingdom's infrastructure is still kept up. If he wants to be celebrated for that, I say he deserves it. Make a We Love Magnifico Day, why the frick not?
>"tell, not show" the movie
Pass
Is it really paranoia when there's actually someone summoning reality bending entities, stealing from you, burning your studio and staging a coup against you?
>evil
He never uses his magic seriously against Asha. He could vaporized her ob a whim but kept showing mercy
>he goes from 'kind but just when it comes to the kingdom's safety' to 'paranoid, evil wreck' in a span of two days in-universe
it's because he didn't put the ANTI-EVIL OIL ANON
HE FORGOT ABOUT THE ANTI-EVIL OIL
Kek. I'd love one with a Vietnam background.
It doesn't make sense for the character, his medieval village was raided.
>Meet rich guy
>You hit it off, he shares his passions and interests with you.
>He hints at offering you a job as his personal assistant, maybe taking over.
>You just ask him to pay off your student loans out of the blue
The little heaving of his chest like he's holding back tears is such a nice touch, too.
I just kind of really feel bad for him there and it's a shame the movie thinks I'm not supposed to.
Honestly if I was a rich DILF and a brown cutie asked that of me, I'd absolutely let myself be taken advantage of so long as at least seven children come out of it.
I keep imagining a Magnifasha Buck Breaking fanfiction.
Why haven't you written it yet, anon?
The setting can be Asha's 18th birthday
Alright here it is!
Magnifico says “I DECIDE WHAT EVERYONE DESERVES. I THINK YOU DESERVE SOME BUCK-BREAKING YOU GREEDY N*GGER”
Asha replies, MASSA DRILL MY *SS
Magnifico takes a drill out of his cabinet and puts it inside Asha’s ear.
Gooseworx starts throwing popcorn in the air and laughing.
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
OOOOOOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Wish makes 3 billion dollars at the box office, Disney makes so much money that it has a heart attack and dies.
LunaMedia and Birchyfunbags buy out Disney for free.
The End.
>racism
Not nice. Asha is cute and deserves protection, even if she is entitled
Asha/Magnifico wouldve been a cute teacher/apprentice dynamic. Of course they'd never ship her because age gap and she's 17 and 99999/100000 quarters (why didn't movie start at her 18th birthday??)
This is a cute premise. Reminds me a bit of Fatal Frame
The two space lyrics form Rosas and Thanks I get make sense finally too
Brimstone.
Lori?
Yes.
how did she frick up so bad
man I will never forgive this shitty story for not giving us more Magnifico/Asha bait
Asha AI is confused
The king is Walt Disney, Asha is modern disney
you just reminded me to go have my daily dose of watching clips from my legally downloaded copy of Wish on VLC Luna Media Player
What the frick is "Luna media"
If I had to guess, some homosexual on DA with a delusional sense of grandeur that chose a username like [name] Media to sound more important, but then displays their lack of originality (like 99% of DA "artists") for the world to see by choosing to name their pretend organization after a copyrighted Nickelodeon character.
a line in my filters
>Every wish granted
>Racists are all Chads
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I would rather watch Choodalani Vundi than this trash
>Choodalani Vundi
More like Chudalamey if you ask me lol
Why isn't any fanartist drawing Magnifico soaked in anti-evil oil? What's wrong with the japanese, I though they were into some kinky shit.
this translation is awful
t. intermediate japan speaker
I mean, it's google translate on OCR.
Do a better translation if you want.
Here you are anon. Took some liberties.
Ex: "like mine" instead of "like those" because made bit more sense to me. I originally had "You crossed the line" instead of "no limit to your rudeness" because I thought that sounded more fitting/funny, but opted to stick with the more accurate translation even if it doesn't 100% smoothly translate to typical argumentative english. The final punchline regarding speaking through minds was somewhat hard to naturally translate to english. I suppose I could've gone with "reading mind", but it specifically mentions talking, so idk. I probably should've taken liberties there but I didn't Also if you're curious what the star is saying it's basically kirby-esque gibberish. a lot of "pui pui" and "kyu kyu"
update if anyone cares: the first minute of the at all costs animatic is done.
Cool! You're going to do the full song?
Yep. animatics are more tedious than I thought 🙁
You and me both man.
based drawgay delivers
I officially made 10 seconds more progress today. I predict this will be done within a week, week and a half.
already looking good, looking forward to seeing it
qrd?
So brain rotted they can't even construct a simple morality tale anymore.
Well whole damn division is run by the woman who got lucky on one Film so Disney gave her the keys to everything after kicking out the guy with the decades long proven track record of success.
Now that I think about it doesn't Magnifico have the exact same background as Abuela? Why does she get redeemed while he gets a fate worse than death after being corrupted by an evil book?
>both had their family killed by a band of thugs and their homelands destroyed, created a new home for themselves that grew to flourish, very paranoid about losing everything again
If anything I think Abuela is more of an butthole for treating her own granddaughter like a leper
>Doesn't change throughout the movie, doesn't learn ANYTHING
It's not like this didn't happen before
not defending wish just shitting on Mermaid
Hey, she learnt not to brush her hair with a fork!
She faced consequences for being a moron and disobeying her father. Asha was granted magic powers for being a dipshit
It's kind of ironic that my least favourite Disney princess also got done the most dirty by Disney.
but the music was good in this movie. among the best, even.
Here's an idea for free. What if the wish lottery WAS in fact mandatory. But what if instead of wanting to give up her wish Asha decided she would rather be like Tiana and make it come true on her own. Like she didn't want to risk it and would just as soon rather try it herself. Now Magnifo sort of writes this off as whatever at first but he notices that more and more people are starting to listen to Asha and realizing they would rather make their dreams come true the old fashioned way too. Now because people aren't WISHING and instead are WORKING Magnifico who actually needs wishes to rule and be a wizard actually starts losing power. So he feels he has to crack down and make an example of Asha and starts sabotaging people's efforts. Asha needs to then escape his Wish Gestapo, free her friends from a dungeon after they were arrested and stop the evil magic from making everyone stupid and lazy like in Wall-e.
That would be a better story except
>Magnifico who actually needs wishes to rule and be a wizard
This makes a worldbuilding catch-22. If he needs wishes to rule, be a wizard, and grant wishes, how did he get wishes in the first place?
He has people give him wishes?
Are people in this new setting naturally able to derive magic power from others giving them wishes? If so, that would have happened in the paleolithic, and the modern setting would be unrecognizable. If not, Magnifico would still need to bootstrap his rise to power somehow.
>If he needs wishes to rule, be a wizard, and grant wishes, how did he get wishes in the first place?
He prob wished on a star for it and then just made sure everyone else forgot that's how it works and think they need him for a wish
That feels extremely stupid
I agree, but it's the only way i could think of it working in this weird world they made up. Maybe they could have made him even evilier but having that original start captured and being harvested of its wishes, too.
Oops, star*
Yep but far as the movie shows he learned the magics himself and then used it to build a Benevolent kingdom
If they don't establish why only he was able to learn it it's a pretty big shortcut/plot hole like many have mentioned, nothing is stopping the people from putting in the work to become their own all powerful being without a magical mcguffin or something
In real life, it's pretty common for people who devote their lives to pursuing a skill to become capable of things that no one in the world could do in the past. Shoulders of giants, etc. It's entirely plausible that Magnifico was the first person to figure it out.
where's your nobel prize
lmao this is so much better
I want a whole thread full of nothing but fixes
The plot is exactly the same, but everyone's naked and fricking so we don't care.
>Muh rights
Medieval monarchy, you have no rights filthy peasant
To anyone good at math. What are the odd of the wish getting chosen based on pure numbers?
It's less math that you need, but more knowledge about medieval kingdoms in regards to the number of citizens.
A quick google tells us that villages had only a few hundred people, this being a very small kingdom on an island, let's say there lives around 2000 people.(and I'm giving disney the benefit of the doubt here, it's rather more likely that it's 1000)
anyway, Magnifico has created that kigndom around 50 years ago give or take
that means in 50 years around 2000 people have visited his kingdom or given birth to. That means for every year roughly 40 new people get the option to give up their wish, but not everyone is giving up their wish, let's say only 75% of everyone living there, that would be 30 people per year giving up a wish. Since Magnifico grants 1-2 wishes per month, becoming 12-24 wishes per year.(let's say a rough 18 on average)
that means your chance of getting a wish is a decent 60%.
But if it were indeed just 1000 people, then it would become 100%.
>make a movie about the importance of wishes
>learn the specifics of like 2 wishes from the cast
>so really, we're championing an abstract principle
Of course the moron defending Magnifico's shitty writing is an anti-vaxxer.
My burned the Whole Movie and Once upon a Studio to DVD complete with the Disney DVD bumper and trailers for Inside Out 2 and Elio, and showed it to my Aunt, Uncle, Sister and Grandparents. My sister seems to care very little about Wish or its characters.
She is watching Hercules right now.
Can you upload it online so the only version online isn't a shitty gambling watermark version? I want HD memes. Please and thank you.
I have it right here.
Just download the folder and open it in VLC Media player under the "Open Folder" option.
Includes upcoming movie trailers, Once Upon A Studio, and an old-school pre-show bumper and THX trailer.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ngAPVx8lg7WRuFV-kvGv2SgEqjmsdJAS?usp=sharing
forgot link
Is this just the gambling watermark version? I wanted a high res version
It's not out yet. But don't worry, the funny things at the start make up for it.
>Be careful what you wish for
The tagline literally has frickall to do with the movie lol. In fact, it's arguably antithetical to the protagonist's goal. They just took the most generic phrase related to wishes and slapped it on with no care.
The marketing crew was clearly sending out a warning to anyone who would go see this movie.
We wished for a New Villain and we got something half-assed.
>Beats Disney to the punch trying a novel rendering style
>Beats Disney to the punch for a wish based movie
>Beats Disney to the punch for both threatening villains and overtly evil villains
>Beats Disney to the punch for cat enthusiast audiences (no amounts of kitty kitty kitty cats could save The Marvels)
Dreamworks always wins.
no they didn't they just came out with two bauhaus movies about noodle arm people with beanmouths. Titkok is going crazy over their Velvet and Veneer characters.
>everyone paranoid that a gay princess would kill disney
>meanwhile veneer is the biggest overt homosexual there is and is beating Wish at the box office
Lmao
Well, it's what the "villain" of the movie is advocating for
Magnifico "Be careful what you wish for, it may be harmful to you and your loved ones if I were to grant it"
which is saying a lot about the writers of the movie, that they take an advice that has been given to people for ages and use it for the antagonist of a story
Superior movie poster about wishes coming through
Wish won't be the same without the slotslight.net logo.
The first thing I noticed when watching the movie was the bobbleheads looking rather unamused by Asha's singing.
I saw it recently and I liked it. The hate for it feels fabricated. Are lefties not seeing it because Disney supports israelites? Rightards probably hate Asha for being woke and black. Seems like this movie was doomed to fail no matter how good it could've been.
There's this thing called Controlled Opposition. It's only a matter of time before Conservatives realize that people like Tucker Carlson or Companies like Illumination and Dreamworks don't actually believe in the values they preach.
> Illumination and Dreamworks
>right wing
go back
Well they certainly aren't woke.
Oh wait they got those bauhaus movies that are specifically designed for tiktok mouthbreathers.
Isn't Veneer a huge fruit in this? Kinda woke.
You're obsessed with an us vs them political narrative that doesn't actually apply to the vast majority of people or companies choices, and blind to the actual prevailing paradigm of "we want money, how do we get more?"
Well yeah all companies suck, some just suck less than others.
If you want a company that cares about Christian values and isn't just doing the "we want money, how do we get more" schtick by releasing Mario-level "kino", look to very very private companies
frick you that scene was funny
I lol irl watching this scene with my family.
No, the reaction is entirely appropriate. The characters, dialogue, songs, and overall plot are all very weak. Pretty much the only thing that's not actively subpar is the visuals.
>Pretty much the only thing that's not actively subpar is the visuals.
Those are actually pretty godawful as well. The whole thing looks pretty... unfinished and the general visual direction is amateurish. So much of the movie is just... flat.
So, what was your favourite part?
I still don't understand why Disney decided against making the Tumblr sexyman. Actually, how come all of their recent brown girl protagonists since Tiana aren't allowed to have boyfriends? Only Delores from Encanto got one.
Delores wasn't the main character though.
>I still don't understand why Disney decided against making the Tumblr sexyman
because admiting that women in fact desire men and their attntion is verbotten in the feminireich
Men are yucky and unneeded
Damn, girls and homosexuals would've been all over this.
>Glowing magic twink descends from the sky to help jaded girl with her problems
>Also they fall in love
How does this shit not exist yet
I dunno man, it hurts so much. I wanted a star boy animated on ones without using CGI.
Because its a hard pendulum swing away from romantic angle for characters. This is in part due to push back they got from years ago from activists who believed that the old disney way of princesses was out dated and sexist and not realistic. So when they go for the platonic route, they go "Well it sold well the last time, so lets bottle that lightning again and again and again." Its why Puss In Boots is a breath of fresh air in comparison, because it embraces the old stuff about Disney, including villains, and makes it work. Platonic relationships are not bad for an animated film, they have their place, same with romantic, for they are the spice of variety. Variety that disney lacks.
Its pretty baffling, especially when Frozen, which as a franchise has made them literally billions, had both white princess leads and a romance subplot, yet its like someone in charge hates how that was so successful so they make the complete opposite with brown girl leads who have no boyfriends and whoops, turns out they aren't that popular.
>Magnifico is a fallen star and Starboy has come to fetch him back up to the sky
>Starboy falls in love with Asha and starts granting her wishes
>realizes this is how Magnifico fell from grace with his hot villainess wife, stars have to shine for everyone not just one person
>Sad separation at the end of the movie where Starboy goes back to heaven with Magnifico in tow
Disney doesn't do sad endings. I think they are memorable and impactful and there's a reason why these sorts of stories used to be more common but Disney would never go for it. I also don't think modern audiences would accept if even if the film was otherwise good and well constructed.
I can't think of the last Disney film (hell, animated film really) with a bittersweet ending but I'm also running on 3 hours of sleep and might be neglecting some low hanging fruit.
Toy Story 3?
good catch
Fox and the Hound maybe?
that's probably the best possible example
huh
>realizes this is how Magnifico fell from grace with his hot villainess wife,
>"At All Costs" becomes 1000 times more based
I also just really like the idea of a fallen star fighting a pure one that's also slowly falling, being corrupted by his time in the mortal world
it's a really nice idea but too based for disney to ever do
>The lyrics "Leave you here I don't wanna" finally make sense
I didn't watch the movie.
Were the townspeople actually miserable at the start of the plot, or did Asha rile them up when they had been living just fine and would have continued to do so?
No everyone was completely happy. Even Asha's grandfather, who Asha spazzed out about him not getting his wish, seemed perfectly content before Asha went full moron.
did you even watch the whole movie? He's clearly devastated that he didn't get his wish granted.
He was devastated when Asha told him about it. Until then he didn't care. At all. And not to sound like a broken record, but I do not feel sympathy for a 100 year old man, who lived in a utopia, who never put in t the effort to achieve anything through his own hands.
He couldn't afford a lute.
What's to afford? Everyone lives in peace and such affluence. All he'd have to ask the carver with magical wish talent to make him one.
I don't know man... Disney blows ass. I'm so tired of shitty CGI animation being pumped out left and right. I do not care if it's kino, or uses a cel-shaded filter. I am through with it. Lord have mercy.
>is 100 years old
>is older than the king
>wish is to "inspire" people
>doesn't specify HOW he'll inspire them, can turn them in to a bunch of psychotic cultists if granted
>willfully gave up his wish past the age of 18 (again, older than the king) meaning he had plenty of time to try and inspire people, but decided that it was too much work and effort to be an inspiration
>Asha grants his wish regardless
>all he does is play the guitar for people and makes up the "wish upon a star" song
>could have done that at literally any point in his life if he put in even the bare minimum amount of effort
>will now die within a short amount of time, never getting to enjoy his wish to the fullest, all because he was too lazy to put in effort in his youth, and willingly chose not to put in effort into his adult and elder years
>And that's supposed to be the best part of him
It's one thing to be inspired by a 100 year old singer, it's another thing to see a 100 year old singer who couldn't do shit before and got to where he is just because of magic
The only "inspiration" I'm getting from that geezer is the inspiration to ask to get my own wishes granted. Magnifico should've thought long term and hired him as a travelling advertisement
he wants us to wish upon a star tho.
>wish upon a star
>the star is, of course, magnifico
>magnifico either corrupts the lottery or grants it no questions asked to hire grandpa to work for him
>asha doesn't want that and thinks grandpa should do his own thing
>megalomagnifico reveals he can change the wishes benefit him by making grandpa's wish to inspire people to join magnifico
et voila
Why would he need him? He clearly has no trouble attracting an audience himself. And some bum who can't think up twinkle twinkle without magical intervention isn't who I want on my PR team anyways.
Magnifico can send gramps out into the world along with some other citizens who had their wishes granted and make a travelling circus slash tourism board
Then make it so that Magnifico's motive is to get everyone in the world to give up their wishes and cut off the lottery in the end
It is weird he wanted someone else to give him the ability to "Inspire the next generation". Like you're 100 and have grandkids and you now want to "Inspire" them to... what? Considering he eventually sings the "When you wish upon a star" song, this is kind of hilarious because wishing and hoping something would happen is exactly how he got in this mess in the first place.
Was the wish supposed to make him sing good? He's 100, and he never learned how to sing? Was it supposed to brainwash people to be inspired by his song, no matter how crappy? Was it supposed to make them do something specific and grand, or would just them getting an idea for what to make for dinner count? How "Inspired" do they need to be? Like, wanting it, or putting in the effort to make it real? Because 100 people inspiring a road worker will never matter as much as the one dude laying asphalt. The issue here is that his wish is specifically "People have to feel this way and like this thing I did because I said so", and it's not-
wait a goddamn minute
On top of that, Magnifico doesn't want anyone wishing upon stars. He probably heard Saba singing through the wish ball, and got freaked out knowing what wishing on stars does.
He probably didn't tell Asha that he was afraid of people starting a coup using the wishing star powers Saba sang about, because then Asha would just go tell everyone.
Black person he hadn't come up with the song yet. The song wasn't his wish. His wish was to inspire people/the next generation. It wasn't specified HOW he would do it, just that that's what he wanted. Magnifico didn't grant it because it was vague and also emotional manipulation/control. It had the potential to be extremely dangerous.
He probably had the song in his head for a while and just needed a lute.
>Black person he hadn't come up with the song yet.
Yes he had, it's in the bubble.
Yeah even without potential for a coup it's just completely vague. Like inspire how? What do you want people to do? Do you want to inspire kids to brush their teeth? Stay in school? What?
And even in the end, inspiring people to wish upon a star, the star that grants wishes indiscriminately, was an extremely shitty move. Now every stupid frick who hears it will start wishing upon stars, getting their other horrible wishes granted, causing chaos and despair and suffering that far outweighs any good it brings to anyone.
>On top of that, Magnifico doesn't want anyone wishing upon stars. He probably heard Saba singing through the wish ball, and got freaked out knowing what wishing on stars does
Funny in hindsight, but more so because when you step back this means that he could always have sang his song, the wish didn't grant his song. So it's not like he's wishing for the right song or the right whatever, he had the idea, he specifically is wishing that when he sings this song, people will be inspired in some way. Doubly funny yes because due to the lyrics, they would most likely wish on stars which obviously he wouldn't want, but more so because Asha is upset Magnifico is just hard saying "No I won't give your grandpa magic brainwashing song powers and him being obssessed with people only reacting a certain way to his music is probably a bad thing".
He was disappointed, but that's just as easily blamed on Asha getting his hopes up. Asha's friends were disappointed too for some reason. That scene was so weird when you take a step back. Like, that lady had her wish to be a great dressmaker granted yet everyone's acting put out because nepotism failed. The frick is the morality of this situation supposed to be?
I mean at this point he probably was already well aware that his wish in particular wasn't granted.
That also gets me thinking about the people who got their wishes granted. The movie doesn't really give their perspective on the matter. It's like they don't even exist. Did they all turn on Magnifico too?
See, the movie is written like no one was having their wishes granted, but that's betrayed by its own premise.
Right? Are they happier, feeling lacking because they didn't "Earn it"? Were they mad at him for not granting it to everyone else, confused as to why they were chosen? Were they upset or happy everyone else got it at the end too or did they feel cheated because they were special before?
More importantly, super fricking importantly, were they just really specific with their wishes? Was it stuff like "I wish my mom didn't have cancer"? Hard to frick that one up. Or something like "I wish I remembered when to take the roast out of the oven"? Like something innocuous he could grant without giving up too much power? It's hard as frick to think Asha isn't just a dumbass but then again we are only seeing just a teeny slice of what might make sense of it all.
Magnifico makes a big show of granting a wish, so I wouldn't think he'd grant stupid, small wishes. That wouldn't appease his own ego, let alone appease the masses. He'd probably look for something showy, but something generally useful or harmless. It's probably telling of the writers' imagination that the only example they care to show is a dressmaker. As if they couldn't think of anything else that could fit the criteria.
Or perhaps they were somehow smart enough to recognize that showing more people who had their wishes granted by Magnifico would just undermine Asha's position.
You call that being devastated? He just looks like he really needs to go to the restroom suddenly,
The townspeople seemed content and sing-song-y as far as we're shown and the kingdom was thriving by all accounts. The most disaffected person we see is one of Asha's friends, who we're told became dull and slothful after giving up his wish to the king. We're not really shown any other examples of this and everyone else who'd given up their wish seemed fine.
The people only started becoming discontent when one of Asha's friends, in a bid to stall the king for Asha's sake, started raising a bunch of questions as the king was addressing the crowd. At that point they started asking for more wishes to be granted and if they could change their wishes and so on.
King should have hung her friends. Ungrateful shits.
It just hit me. Saba's song was "When you wish upon a star" So Magnifico had a valid reason for not granting his wish.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA!
He made that song up in direct response to Asha and the star. Magnifico didn't grant his wish because "To inspire" is extremely fricking vague and potentially dangerous.
>Magnifico didn't grant his wish because "To inspire" is extremely fricking vague and potentially dangerous.
Trying to equate wishes to dreams was one of the more moronic parts of this movie. As a dream, grandpa's desire to inspire others with music is perfectly fine. But as a wish, its incredibly bad and vague. Any particularly malicious wishgranter could monkeypaw his ass into something awful, and a well thinking but innocent wish granter could make it real only for him to become a Pied Piper like villain, like the guy from 8 Billion Genies who wished for other people to believe him.
>"So basically if we wish on stars, we can get all our wishes granted!"
>"Yeah! Let's go make some wishes tonight!"
>"When you wish upon a star your dreeeeeeeeeeams cooooooome truuuuuuuuuuuuue"
>Half the population in Rosas dies
You're extremely optimistic, anon.
I always am.
I hate Asha but I hate the queen much more. What I find hilarious is idiot Liberal Democrat Leftists like Jenifer Lee? They honestly think Asha and the Queen are good. Ah women they just can't see how shitty they really are inside out. This is also why that feminist b***h Kathleen Kennedy can't see that she has ruined Star Wars with Rey the Mary Sue.
Is it any wonder that in generations past women had not rights? Because remember this is entertainment media the damage women do to academia, law of the land, politics, culture, etc. by being themselves is much worse. All funded by the israelites. And whenever the israelites are finished ruining the USA and the country collapses. israelites will cry about what victims they are and women will do the same while Non israeli Men will be left to fix the mess.
The solution is all israelites and Judaism must be killed into extinction and women must never have rights. And I don't care how that sounds.
Except by killing the israelites we have fallen into their trap, because now we will burn in Hell. That's what the israelites want us to do.
Have sex chud
Ekse!
There's always one of you homosexuals in these threads. You just can't help yourself, you always want to bring in /misc/ shit.
Wait why would he dump Amaya in that version of the story?
And Amaya becomes the EVIL QUEEN!
The new Evil Queen villain!
Dude, just shut the frick up.
May your mother get raped to death.
Keep trying, champ. You'll fit in one day. I just want to know, was it the 2016 election or the 2020 election that brought you here?
I take it Mario and Minions 2 are also flukes?
And yes Spiderverse 1 and 2 are trash.
I think we need a break from secular media for a while and need something that both gives us good morals AND good Animation.
Either that or just go back to full 2D kino like this guy is doing.
What was deleted?
I think it was the anon who said Puss In Boots 2 was a fluke.
Anons I've been horny for Magnifico this past two weeks. It's not fair. Why does this DILF have to be stuck in such a shitty movie?
Are you a womanon?
90% of the magnifiCinemaphile posters are. The rest are BARAbros
>Stuck in a shitty movie
Ooh I have an idea! I'll stick him into my movie as a very minor character!
>portrayed as a selfish c**t who doesn't care about the consequences of her actions
>Doesn't change throughout the movie
Something something, writers are usually reflected in their works one way or another.
Well her baker friend is a self insert
Someone should make Ryona art of her
Here's your ryona art!
>I'd take the clothes off benito's back, if you really needed that
Man, this display of selfishness would have really had impact if his wishes functioned like da-rules in fairly odd parents where wishing for something takes away from another person. As it stands, him offering other people's belongings makes no logical sense outside of "I'm narcissistic"
My homie
This lyric has confused the frick out of me from the first time I heard this song
Isn't he a wizard? Can he not make more clothes? Can't the person that needs the clothes just rob Benito himself? Won't people get pissed off if he just redistributes wealth? Why do they need Magnifico at all? Does he grant wishes by stealing shit?
I'm watching this movie right now and I already hate Asha.
I somehow doubt that this is what actually happens in the movie. In fact, I'm 100% certain that this is only loosely based upon the truth.
So you haven't seen the movie, and you came to a discussion about the movie to tell the people there that what they're discussing isn't in the movie.
Okay, so what if Magnifico WASN'T king. He was just some high ranking court wizard who got in good with the Queen because he grants wishes to people. He has some rule where he can't wish for himself though and really wants to be king and usher in an age of darkness and rule with an iron fist. So his big plan is to just grant a whole bunch of stupid petty wishes winning the hearts of short sighted people, all the while unbeknownst to them the wishes have negative consequences down the road. Anyways this only goes on for a few years after the previous wizard vanished under mysterious circumstances (He was turned into a star. Or maybe his kid was if we want to go younger.) and after so many stupid crap wishes someone, either a main character or some moron kid says at a big celebration "I WISH YOU WERE KING MAGNIFICO!" and then he throws off the charade and it's BAM! MASSIVE EVIL SONG AND THOUSAND YEARS OF DARKNESS!
Good up until he becomes king, its just kind of convoluted. Having the wishes lead to something bad eventually and he hides it though is a good idea.
Yeah I thought it was a bit to Jafar 2.0 but I just figured if they wanted him to be a REAL badguy make him a real badguy.
Typical communist propaganda. In the end they will all wish to eat when the party is established and all of the resources are funneled into the ruling class.
It's weird how they establish Rojas as a near perfect multicultural utopia that only needs a slight change in leadership to be actual perfect. A magocratic dystopia where the king sucks soul energy from his subjects would make more sense.
>Rojas as a near perfect multicultural utopia that only needs a slight change in leadership to be actual perfect
amerimutts cannot even conceive revolution in their caliberal brains
try to rage less thinking of the place you wished to be, you post is illegible
The movie is an utter waste of something that should have been instantly iconic.
Having said that, I can’t stop thinking about the magical DILF
I’m glad the movie flopped, but there goes any chance of ever seeing MagnifiCinemaphile again
Ah they'd just shit on him and make him a joke.
Better this way.
>Be one of the five people that likes Hans as a character
>Don't even want to see him redeemed, just like the idea of a villainous prince
>He's written out of the main movies and is just slapstick relief every single time he appears otherwise
They don't even give Santino Fontana more work, frick
we need fanfic sis
>watched an interview with Chris Pine
>describes At All Costs as a wedding song
>said song is a duet between an “”””evil””” DILF and a teenager
They should've started the movie on her 18th birthday and have her have a crush on the king. Why? Because it's cute. Frick you
>Disney could have given us cynical DILF sorcerer-king master x wide-eyed cutie who still believes in good apprentice kino and they DIDN'T
Why even live.
>describes At All Costs as a wedding song
>ywn have Magnifico tell you he will "promise (to love you) as one does, protect you at all cost and keep you safe in his arms"
WHY EVEN LIVE?
There's one version of At All Costs in Youtube with that part changed from "promise" to "love you"
I know that's why I put "promise (to love you)" since both work for wedding vows
So Disney made a wedding song and then slotted it into the movie randomly? Is that why that song feels extremely out of place?
If they just wanted to make a wedding song for Disney adults to have a wedding to, they should just fricking do that.
Yeah kek
Why are women like this?
Romance was invented by men and women just played along.
She had a male co-writer homie
Everyone was to blame for this
He let her take the lead, and look what happened.
link
It's the demo version
I would have kept the evil couple part of the story but fully played it straight on how absolutely in love they are with each other. They see each other as their missing half and would give it all up for the other, like a Morticia and Gomez situation.
But Morticia and Gomez aren't evil.
I'm using them as an example of a couple who cherish each other and would absolutely slit a throat if it meant getting the other to smile.
I DEMAND more Magnifico content
Well I mean you can go buy the Magnifico plushie from Japan like I'm fixing to do for Christmas.
>pic on Cinemaphile
brave Cinemaphilebro
how are you gonna get it? theyre sold out on Mercari
They're on eBay, my usual dealer.
Are you gay for Magnifico or do u just look like a dude
I am a dude. No I am not gay.
>pomni lover
>not at least bisexual
Could've fooled me
I don't care about pomni as much as I did last month.
I wish for a drink of doo doo and pee pee mixed together.
City of Rosas
>You can go to outer space
Thanks I Get
>I got these genes from outer space
?????
Rumors are flying around that Magnifico was supposed to be a fallen star in some drafts
Magnifico should have just stuffed Asha into a nice dungeon cell instead of sperging out.. Also it literally makes no sense for the Queen to backstab him as she fricking knew this guy before Rosas existed.
Again why werent most of the wishes from the female peasants Magnifico mating pressing them?
What is the example of an evil wish?
I wish my crush would fall in love with me? It's an innocuous wish to you, but it's evil because it is usurping another being's free will.
The nanny wish is kinda the same thing.
Just magically compel someone else to take care of this kid.
"I wish to inspire" can easily be twisted into magically making people be 'inspired' by the person artificially.
If only the king was upfront about those shitty wishes (I have no plans on watching, forgive me if it's addressed)
I don't think it is.
Would be cool AND evil if the king needed to keep all the wishes cause it was the source of his magic
>Magnifico is basically a filter to prevent any poorly worded or evil wish.
>Asha works hard to remove the filter for Sabino.
>Meaning wishes, for good or ill, are brought into the world, unfiltered.
>As anyone can wish upon a star, even those who are wicked.
>For example, if a person wanted to and believed it with all their heart, famine for the kingdom could happen.
Its so nice of Disney to have the villain of the movie be the protagonist.
Honestly the entire thing collapses in a single scene where he goes
>Here, look at this wish
>'Man, that six year old probably has the tightest pussy, I wish I could rape her and get away with it'
Not all wishes are made by good people.
How did they come up with such a stupid premise for this movie anyway, it really feels like some out of touch exec said "let's do an origin story for the Disney-verse, it'll be the next MCU!".
It's not even like all of their movies have the protagonist making wishes, the whole thing is extremely forced.
From what I heard, it went through several rewrites to be more marketable and relatable.
Kind of weird how a guy that wasn't nearly as evil as many other Disney villains got a fate worse than death by getting trapped in a mirror and apparently someday being enslaved to an evil queen.
Honestly i know people meme about asha being a villain protagonist, but objectively she was just the queen's unwitting pawn in her plan to trap her husband.
Maybe the queen IS the actual evil queen from snow white, maybe she used her wish to transform her face.
Why is every Disney movie plagued by production issues and writers shifting gears?
Disney does not respect their workers.
It's a movie made by leftist women for leftist women. Unfortunately, they don't generally do movies (they SEE movies if they have a boyfriend, but most are single), comics, videogames, etc, so it was a waste and lost a TON of money. No idea why people keep trying to pitch movies and comics to people who generally don't buy them.
>for leftist women
But I'm one of those and even I think it's dogshit. And it's not like lefties can't write. Barbie did just fine.
That's not true at least for Japan as well as children's toys. Girls childrens toys sell much more than boys children's toys. And in Japan, women are the #1 purchasers of Manga magazines and merchandise alike. I don't know if the same applies in burgerland or UK tho. I can only speak for what I'm familiar with
...barbie was carried hard by ryan gosling's ken and suffered from the same problem that the starship troopers movie had in which the intended message from the director was the opposite of what was objectively shown on screen, so it's not an example i'd pick.
>Opposite of what was intended
At best the Humans are shown as moronically bloodthirsty and ready to die, even ignoring the possibility of it being a senseless war of aggression, Humanity's state of mind is the worst way to fight the war.
Never saw Barbie but the general issue I hear is All Kens' plights are valid and their manosphere isn't really all that bad. But my opinion is mainly from a woman who probably wants to unironically be railed by a rightwing chud who calls her lbcuck or whateer.
You misinterpreted the film. Greta intended for you to sympathize with Ken because the Kens in Barbieland are supposed to be like women in the real world. If you agree that the Kens needed to be treated better than you agree with feminism. That's why nothing the Kens do when they take over is really *that* bad. The more overt message about Ken needing to learn how to be apart from Barbie and the Kens supporting each other was also intended.
I thought Barbie was really funny but it isn't a great example because people get so confused about it.
Except that perspetive doesn't really work because the kens actually take over society by force rather than in a fight for their rights, and their society acts accordingly to the values of "the patriarchy" yet it's shown to be much better than barbie society at the start and at the end. So by agreeing with the kens you necessarily disagree with the values of feminism, regardless if you swap the genders or not. The overt message about ken needing to learn how to be apart from barbie also fals flat since ken's real problem is that barbie doesn't want to be with him, considering how he handles himself just fine when she is not around. So the objective message is that it's fine to be unwanted, which to be fair is a good message (not surprising people like ken's story), but definitely not what was intended.
As shown, there are too many inconsistencies for you to interpret the movie in the way the director wants you to.
>And it's not like lefties can't write. Barbie did just fine.
Barbie cheated with the casting.
Is that a deepfake?
>Barbie did just fine.
Thanks to brand recognition and Ryan Gosling. Hunger games wasn't a success either because it was some "feminist statement". It was successful because it hired a bunch of teenage boy actors with an army of screeching teenage fangirls watching everything they do.
I've seen homies say that Barbie succeeded because of Greta's name attached to the project, and not, you know, the fact that it's fricking Barbie.
What kind of argument is this? Yes, brand is what drives movie goers. Obviously. Same applies to Mario, Fnaf, Wonka and all other franchises prior to oversaturation. The problem with Disney is their "Brand" wasn't as powerful because the quality of movies declined. If Barbie was bad, nobody would watch the sequel. Disney is a brand just as Nolan is a brand. Or was, anyway.
>find Asha's design to be super cute
>her singing is fantastic too
>her personalty and actions are unbearable
Suffering
>Just let everyones wish come true, it will be fine!
>Charlemagnes wish of conquering the Moors comes true.
So the Disney lesson basically is black women in power make your nation incredibly vulnerable against foreign invaders.
Women in general do that.
What the frick is this all-powerful furniture that Asha dropped on Magnifico, and why couldn't he just green it away with his supposed new-found limitless power?
>Oh, no, mahogany! My only weakness!
My dick found it!
>mahogany
It's a very fine material. Very expensive.
>green power
>weak to wood
>betrayed his wife
Alan Scott?
Honestly, I don't blame certain people for having misogynist thoughts seeing as how the arbiters of good morals depict their morally good female characters as utter c**ts.
Come on Anon, don't you know personal growth is toxic masculinity? That would imply she isn't a perfect 10 (purr) so that would be misogynistic