>Innocent people
Are they going to pull a Steven Universe?
There's a reason why they're in hell, you dumb moron
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>Innocent people
>Innocent people
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She’s actually concerned about bringing sinners up to heaven, where they’ll harass thousands of innocent people. much like in real life
they're innocent in the sense that they have done nothing to provoke this slaughter
just because they're unlikeable buttholes doesn't give heaven license to kill them.
>Hitler is in hell
>Hitler hasn't done anything wong to Heaven
>Thus Hitler deserves redemption
HOLY SHIT! Is Vive secretly based???
No, because she’s a moronic annihilationist for the truly evil people.
Nah Vivzie said that truly "evil" people just cease existing.
>Hitler wasn't punished for his crimes
>Hitler was spared from the eternal suffering
That's still based, if not a little cowardly, from Vive's part
True tbqh, even if Vivzie probably doesn't realize that it's still funny.
>Straight up freed from the wheel of reincarnation and no time in hell
Free ride to Nirvana?
I remember when someone on this site compared AoT ending defenders to animals. Do you think they meant the people in Vivziehell?
Cool
I don't know about those, but I found the ending to be both funny and enjoyable
>betray your friends
>give up on happiness
>paint yourself as the ultimate villain
>genocide 80% of the world
>all to stop war
>war still happens
I still can’t believe they killed Shasa. The humans were the real enemy all along reveal, while it made sense, was so lame
At the very least, it wasn't all humans were evil and nature is good
I’d even argue with AoT that nature is very NOT good. I think I find it lame that there was potentially a whole world overrun by titans but it turned out that it was just upside down 1900’s real world with weird bio monsters and we spent three fourths in some weird island
Viv is a moron. She said some bullshit like she didn't want to give a platform for Hitler or offend people by depicting him. Who the hell will she offending with Hitler being in Hell? Little Nicky had Hitler forced to dress up as a maid and take pineapples up his ass by Satan. She refuses to have real sinners because it requires Viv to depict Hell as the punishment it is suppose to be. It would also ruin her whole "misunderstood" premise. It is obvious that she rejected the redemption premise because it means Viv had to address shit that will make characters unlikeable.
Took the words right out of my mouth
The point of the show is to have gay outcasts live their best lives despite heaven being judgmental of them, it’s not a show about frickin Hitler, you goons. It’s crazy how upset you are a cartoon didnt depict Hitler or Hitler being tortured, the way you actually feel wronged and betrayed they didn’t put Hitler in the fricking DeviantArt cartoon
Ding Ding.
Are you saying I’m right or does me saying the show isn’t about Hitler make you ring the bell
>She refuses to have real sinners because it requires Viv to depict Hell as the punishment it is suppose to be. It would also ruin her whole "misunderstood" premise
I mean, she does and she doesnt. The show really struggles with this but everbody pretty much agrees that hell is full of awful awful people. Charlie's mission is to make them change their ways. But then the show trips over itself in trying to make Charlie more sympathetic and walks the statement that hell is full of bad people a little bit while trying to make it seem that its all heaven's fault.
Source cause holy frick that is stupid
Why is there still murder happening in Hell then?
So is Jeffrey Dahmer not an evil person according to Vivzie? And even if that was retconed they still have a canibal district.
Why did they give Katie a dude voice?
homosexuals gonna gay
Its some gay "funny internet guy" Vivzie likes. He had 0 experience voice acting before. Vivzie is moronic.
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Isn't that Blitzo's VA?
I didn't know that
Yeah, it's him.
Literally an inside joke.
>Cannibal district
Damn how many cannibals are there? And wouldn't it be a bunch of Amazonian tribes and the like?
Its a show made by reddit and tumblr, the only truly evil people are Nazis. Though, ironically, all the shit they love and adore are all the characters in hell in this universe.
What about all of those mass murdering psychopaths in the Turkish Khaganates 500 years ago? Where are those dudes in hell?
it’s only really evil if it’s israelites getting killed.
And not openly and publically killed like how the Romans did when they originally destroyed Jerusalem, sold them into slavery and burned their history and practice from future knowledge. It has to be in hidden sealed away camps with ally-bombed supply lines, with many fantastical atories about how exactly they did it, no solid reason for why they did it, no permitted inspection of the camps wherein it’s claimed they did it, and estimates millions of millions of ww2 pounds spent on weedkiller to suffocate them to death in wooden shower cubicles and dutch ovens.
Only when that’s the case are you the most evil of evils.
>Dahmers a cannibal
I dunno I think the death obsession and homosexual necrophilia is more of his MO?
And they didn't even give him his iconic 2by4 face
But how? Is Carmilla using her divine weapons to kill them? Who’s in charge of that?
She does sell them to others. Might be someone just going around Punisher-like.
How is Alastor not truly evil then? Hes a cannibal serial killer from America's most christard period in the last century.
How do we know that about Alastor? Mimzy is currently the only real source for his backstory, no? Murdering sinners is less of a black mark in a world where you don’t truly die I’d think.
What a cop out, I guess you can salvage it by claiming that if you go to hell it means you still have some smidge of good in your heart and that's the true purpose of hell, making the hotel even more irrelevant.
b***h made and no balls move, coming from Vivzie. Makes a show about Sinners in Hell and can't even commit to it.
He's a nobody down in hell, probably under the thumb of an overlord. Or was exterminated long ago.
>Hitler is in hell
For what?
Mass murder obviously, infact any war official should be in Hell like Dick Cheney
King David is in heaven, anon.
They get shit on by any of their victims in Hell before them.
>make deal with overlord
>overpower and torture those people
That’s bullshit, considering their millions of supporters
Lemme tell you now there are way more people who hate israelites than those that suck their circumsised dicks
Their supporters are easy picking for exterminators.
Right. I forgot israelites hold all the power in hell and run hell hollywood, which makes them immune since they’re morally pure
Jews lost their chosen status the instant the apostles spread the word to gentiles in Anatolia.
I don't think he killed anyone personally, and he loved dogs.
Not for a lack of trying mind you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_accident
> infact any war official should be in Hell
War deaths are not considered murder in the biblical sense.
>The ancient Hebrew texts make a distinction between the moral and legal prohibition of shedding of innocent blood and killing in battle.
>Rabbi Marc Gellman explains the distinction between "harag" (killing) and "ratzah" (murder) and notes the different moral connotations.
>"...there is wide moral agreement (not complete agreement) that some forms of killing are morally just, and killing an enemy combatant during wartime is one of them."
>For example, the Torah prohibits murder, but sanctions killing in legitimate battle.
>The Bible often praises the exploits of soldiers against enemies in legitimate battle. One of David's mighty men is credited with killing eight hundred men with the spear, and Abishai is credited with killing three hundred men.
Funny didn't someone ask Viv where all the 'really' bad people are and she said they just die?
Guess at some point this show does give a licence to just kill them.
Jeffrey Dahmer was hosting a cooking show though lol
>Funny didn't someone ask Viv where all the 'really' bad people are and she said they just die?
That is so immensely moronic and against the whole premise of the show. Viv is erecting hersef as the decider of who is worthy of redemption and who isnt when the whole point of the show is that everybody is worthy of redemption if they try. If dying off is forever then redemption is a lie.
So literally every single writer that has a story set on Earth is responsible for how they portray Hitler in their narrative? Even when they don't at all?
If they dont portray Hitler at all, how are they responsible for his portrayal? Fictional worlds are underdetermined anon, you dont have to specify what happens to every molecule in the universe to tell a story set in the physical universe.
>Protagonists include cannibal serial killers, mafia bosses and other sadists
>But the really bad people aren't here
Except turn away from Christ, among probably some other unsavory things they might’ve done. This cartoon was doomed from the start because it’s not going to seriously address the consequences of unfettered immigration or living the sinful life. And I don’t just mean getting in bad contracts
Bro, do you even know what hell is? That's where rapists, pedophiles, murder and corrupt c**ts go. They aren't there for a warm vacation or an eternal timeout, they're there to suffer and be punished for the crimes they have committed when they were alive
no crime is bad enough to be punished for for eternity and god made them so its his fault he should be blamed
What I'm hearing
>I'll do what I want because it's not my fault I was born. I don't want to take responsibitlites for my actions
Eternity itself is kind of a vague concept. Setting that kind of thing aside, what kind of punishment sounds just for people like Hitler and Stalin? Or does it even matter? Is simply being erased enough so not even the devil has to bother thinking about them ever again?
Going through everything their victims went through until they completely break and than slowly erase them from existence.
In christian lore the devil isnt the king of hell hes more like the most dangerous inmate in it. As for the devil even registering bacteria like evil humans I dont know, he would probably erase every human soul in Hell for the lulz if he got uncaged.
Angel Dust was in the mafia and Alastor is a serial killer. Hellborns like Charlie seem pretty innocent, though. Are there any other hellborns we know of like her?
Perhaps the doctors in Sloth, and just the ones that aren't into the crazier shenanigans, regular workers of hell that keep things running.
>Hellborns
It's canon that hellborns are spared from the yearly purges. Only are subjugated to that fate.
This theme could have work out, if it wasnt for the fact this story takes place in fricking HELL.
Hell is chock full of unbaptized foetuses and brain damaged / mentally ill people who could barely hold a thought in their brain for a microsecond much less accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.
You do realize that the mentally ill, children, and those who haven't learned about God are spared from the test, right?
Show me the verse then
also, if not knowing about God is a get-outta-hell-free card then holy shit missionaries are probably responsible for packing hell's slaughterhouses with souls than any other force on earth
>if not knowing about God
Not like that. As in, you have no fricking clue about the world, its creation or anything like that. As in the people from Sentinel Island and less your neet friend who refuses to leave the house or listen to anyone
There are three (persons) whose actions are not recorded: a sleeper till he awakes, a boy till he reaches puberty, and a lunatic till he comes to reason. Narrated by the Prophet, quoted by Abu Dawud
So a Sentinelese murderer gets into heaven but a million loving Hindu families exist as skinless screaming playthings of the Evil One. Nice religion.
In the case of the Sentinelese, it's about never knowing what's right and wrong. They were never given the chance nor do they have the understanding of what's virtue even is. You honestly believe those people have a functioning civilization? They solely operate on basic instincts. They don't know what morality is. It's fair to equate them to lunatics
In the case of Hindu's, they're already aware of the test of life, yet they're not bothering with it. They know about morality, yet they're not seeking it or care to understand it. That's what it comes down to in the end, a test and they're failing it. And it's not even a hard one, but they don't bother studying it. Same with everyone else
So hell is full of insane murderers and hell is packed with loving families who didn't bend the knee. Holy shit Hazbin is actually very accurate
I don't take morality advice from someone who eats shit
>cursing
Have fun in hell
Sorry, I meant 'doodoo'
Do they eat the poo poo?
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Btw, this is yet another fantastic reason why we need missionaries across the globe
>They know about morality, yet they're not seeking it or care to understand it. That's what it comes down to in the end, a test and they're failing it. And it's not even a hard one, but they don't bother studying it. Same with everyone else
How merciful.
>missionaries tell you 2+2=4 and how to make a wheel
>“frick you, I’m doing my own thing”
>suffering continues
It’s like that. Plus, evil people who should know better but don’t know about the Christian faith will be damned too. Jesus is the only way to be extra-sure of salvation
It happens. Frankly, we should be happy that it’s that easy, but you should be worried if you’re just using it to get out of hell free. besides, 9/11 was a psyop
What I'm hearing is
>don't know about Jesus
>get heaven or damnation based on your actual sins
That seems a lot more just and fair than
>do know about Jesus
>none of your actions matter
>Muh innocent people
>Muh Hitler
Hell is an aesthetic to Viv. She didn't think ahead.
Matthew 5:3–12
"Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven". We used to use it all the time as children to call someone a dumbass.
Isn't Viv Catholic or did she never disclose her religious beliefs?
I've no idea. Plus being raised in a religious environment doesn't make you a follower of a creed. My dad is a godless communist and my mom was a basically goddess-worshipping atheist. I ended up close to an orthodox christian.
>I ended up close to an orthodox christian.
Something tells you don't mean Greek Orthodox
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Anyway you get the idea. If Viv was born into a cathlic family then that doesn't mean she will be catholic herself. Normally I would say to separate the art from the artist. It's just that Viv's character has strongly affected her work.
He's just a larper
The mentally ill are used by God to test the people and to see if their hearts are righteous or could become righteous.
Same thing with poor people and those who are incapable
Think the old or interim doctrine was they go to limbo, then a pope said no limbo and people got angry. Not sure what it is now.
In any case, the Hotel almost seems like it's basically supposed to be limbo. Season 2 might flesh that idea out more than Charlie's games.
I'm assuming they'll start to address what their sins were before dying and they have to accept it mentally and all that shit, maybe try to make amends.
If thats the case wouldnt the smartest move to be hiding the tests existence so they all pass?
No because
A, that'll be literally impossible since it happened in the past and people returned to questioning existence and seeking God again
And B, if you purposely start corrupting the texts, deceiving and hiding them, your soul will be eternally punished
Jesus is a gay jobber who takes a spear up his ass
>people did bad things
>that means they deserve eternal suffering AND complete annihilation of their very being
god I hate you slave morality subhumans. Same disgusting ilk that celebrate rape and murders in prisons.
You got anymore Nurgle?
That’s the beauty of grace for you. Technically ANY sin is bad enough to offend God.
Have my personal favorite, anon
That is because you are a child with no understanding of due process and proportionality. The punishment must fit the crime.
Warhammer Hell makes no sense morally speaking. Satan ( or one of the four different Satans) can just bust into your living room and take your soul by force.
It is not really hell, more like the collective unconscious of all of humanity ravaged by the atrocities it committed. Every demon is a manifestation of a thought of a sentient being (likely a human), so that five eyed blob of rape tearing apart a rando soldier probably was some butthole's particularly vile shower thought. WH has no salvageable morality or faction though, everything is purposefully comically unredeemable, it only works because the actual story happens on smaller scales and is played straight there.
The Emperor is quite redeemable, and is pretty much THE good guy of the setting. The Warp was fricked by the Necrons during the War in Heaven long before humanity arrived on the galactic stage, meaning that we inherited a spiritually nightmarish situation through no fault of our own. How dare you presume to judge the morality of humanity's bitter fight for survival? Would it have been more moral to accept extinction during the Age of Strife?
>THE good guy
>his "Imperium" was just as bad to live in 10000 years ago when he was in charge as it is now
Now the true good guys we already know
ba'sed
Very, very unmoisturized hands typed this post. Big E was quite a fedoralord atheist in his own way and could have prevented a lot of tragedy in some spots. But he was less of a frickup than the silent king.
The Imperial Truth made sense and was working as a countermeasure to Chaos before the Horus Heresy. Every frickup the Emperor supposedly makes is the result of someone else's catastrophic lapse in judgement or willfully choosing evil. Nonetheless, the Emperor still takes responsibility and endures the eternal torture throne just so his people can continue to exist. Because he's the good guy.
that's because it isn't hell. it's a separate reality filled with evil monsters that want to feed on your soul and spread misery and chaos across the galaxy. They're only called demons because theological analogy is the only way humans and most other sentient races can comprehend them without having a seizure
Why does he look like such a loving yet forlorn father in that one? That’s so weird, I’m seeing a lot of different interpretations of him on google
Depending on how much you squint/ignore/interpret that is precisely what he is, with the biggest issue of him from a human pov that he "cherishes all life", so a million bot flies bursting out of 1 human still means +999999 beloved children.1dCinemaphile had a great article on him for beginners but the site seems down.
Then he’s probably one of the most sympathetic figures in … whatever he’s in
Warhammer, some would argue yes. He's called papa nurgle/grandfather nurgle for a reason, and even though he is a chaos god of death, despair, stagnation and disease he usually grants his followers an un-life free of pain and suffering in exchange for becoming plague bearing walking mulch. You essentially turn into a disease ridden zombie that is more endoparasites, pathogens and mold than what you were originally (in mass and volume) but you feel no pain and are treated kindly by your kin. His demons are also strangely jovial even though they still do terrible, terrible things.
>That is because you are a child with no understanding of due process and proportionality. The punishment must fit the crime.
homie! You're a grown ass man who's shitposting on Cinemaphile
Yes.
>due process and proportionality
>do unspeakable evil while you're alive
>end up in Hell
>NOOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES????
>>do unspeakable evil while you're alive
>Hell is exclusively for those who do "unspeakable evil"
yawn, see the same rhetoric from cucks who defend prison rape all the time. What you are actually advocating for is that the threshold for going to hell should be very, very, very high. I doubt hell would be so full if that was the case.
Marvelous, an improvement you say?
I don't defend prison rape but support the existence of hell and its rules?
What now chud?
>I'm logically inconsistent and pick and choose my reasoning whenever convenient
I know.
Bro, just admit you don't have a counterargument and just speaking out of your ass. I've always been consistent with my morality but you'll never question me about them because it'll ruin your entire loosely formed argument
It's cute the one bringing out "ACKshuns have consequences!!1!" rhetoric thinks he gets to talk smack about poorly formed arguments. Okay then, I'll humor you. Tell me, what do you think the minimum threshold for someone entering hell is that it justifies hell's denizens being brutally killed off at random. For that to be justifiable it must mean everyone in hell must deserve at least that.
Are we talking about real hell or the fictional hell of the show?
last I checked we were on Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile, and this entire conversation is about a cartoon, anon.
Considering how much it derailed left and right, between real and fiction, I couldn't tell anymore. But, since it's about the show's hell, I need a clear understanding of the Hell's purpose even is
The obvious answer is, to punish sinners, no? Well, take out the angels and the executions from the equation. How are they being punished?
Well what got this ball rolling, if you recall, was OP getting hung up on the word innocent. As another anon completely correctly explained, innocent in this context does not necessarily mean what it at its most literal ought, but what is conveyed here is that just because people went to hell does not make them automatically deserving of being randomly picked off for annihilation. "What hell is for" seems rather immaterial to the question of "even if we assume that everyone in hell is deserving of *a* punishment, why would they be deserving of a punishment this harsh?"
It is a simple matter of proportionality, which is a concept common people tend to struggle with, which is why I keep referencing people's mentally ill takes on what prison ought to be. It is the same all or nothing mindset.
>eternal suffering AND complete annihilation
It can't be eternal suffering if it eventually ends at some point with the Angels coming to actually kill you.
Christianity is unironically very close to Nurgle worship.
Anon, you have it wrong.
Its
>People did bad things
>The bad weights on their soul so if enough bad then their soul is fricked and cannot ascend towards the good
>However, there are ways to clean your soul. They involve doing good deeds and repenting of the bad stuff that you did
>If cleansed then you can ascend and go to heaven. Not because someone lets you, but because now you literally can partake in the maximum good.
Interestingly, catholicism's purgatory is precisely the place where people clean their souls through contrition and repentance after death. Hell is simply the state of mind of not wanting to get better, it is an outright willful refusal of God.
>demons and sinners kill each other all the time
>:)
>angel kill demons and sinners once a year (now every 6 months)
>:(
Permanent kill. Without angelic weapons the sinners respawn over time.
That's actually worst than if they were just permanently killed. The Angels are doing a lot of them a favor. Imagine if you just kept respawning into the cannibal colony and forced to get eaten over and over again for all eternity.
I wouldn't mind it if hell had e-girls in them. Considering the state of the place, nobody would bat an eye if I kidnap one for my own pleasure
We don't know how the loop works, but that might be why many make contracts with overlords, some protection from that kind of thing.
They’ll probably make a joke of that next episode
Do we know how long they take to respawn, on average?
Also if angels did nothing to stop hell's overpopulation, what would actually happen? None of them can leave anyways, let alone get to heaven, so say you leave it be until every square inch is crammed with a sinner or demon, what then? This sort of overpopulation would likely frick with the society demons and overlords have built, so they would be pressured into finding methods to control the population to keep the status quo. So likely if heaven did nothing at all, hell would start doing it themselves.
It’s bad when we do it
It is ok she can be redeemed?
Maybe, but it would’ve been better if she could have done it while she was still alive.
>be Hitler
>join Hazin Hotel
>reform and get to Heaven while the israelites remain in Hell cause they dont wanna be in the same place as Jesus
he won all thanks to Charlie
>Meet my buddy Stalin
>We kiss eachother romantically
He's been long double dead.
What animal form do you think Hitler took in hell?
That’s not a bad question.
What about other historical figures throughout time? Like John Wayne Gacy?
I feel like the German Pinscher has the right kind of energy for Hitler. German Shepherd feels too hardcore to properly represent him.
Don’t forget he was a vegetarian that loved Disney. A carnivorous dog probably isn’t him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vspxFHqQh4Y
That joke already exists
Hell forms are usually representative of how the sinner died or based on something the sinner despised in life. If I'm gonna punish Hitler, I'm gonna focus on his failures rather than his accomplishments. I'd consign him to be a painter, an unrecognizable blob of amorphous clashing paints in a dirty smock. All he does is paint. Paint the most beautiful paintings the world has ever seen. At least to him. All anyone else sees if him smearing shit on a canvas. So he stays in his bunker, alone, perfecting his art.
I feel like they might pull more of a The Good Place honestly.
QRD? Never seen Good Place
Spoilers for The Good Place later seasons (knowing this will seriously impact a first viewing experience)
After a lot of trial and error a group of petty and kinda unpleasant (but certainly not irredeemably evil) human souls make it essentially to the accounting of heaven and hell and find out that nobody had gone to heaven for a very long time because it’s impossible to make the right decisions to lead an ethically ‘clean’ life, since there’s an endless number of factors you can’t properly control to make the ethical decisions. Stuff like owning a PC or smart phone and implicitly participating in resource wars ravaging other countries or buying food at the super market which might have gotten imported from places with unethical business practices. Heaven essentially gave up on solving that problem (and the far more interesting problem that Heaven kinda sucks because being able to have everything you want all the time without any cost just doesn’t work well with human psychology). The ultimate solution they settle on after the angels basically frick off is to put the human souls in hell into an endless treadmill of scenarios to try and turn them into the best version of themselves to qualify them for heaven instead of actively torturing them for all eternity. Basically giving them the chance to even lead a life where they can chose to be compassionate, don’t steal and stick it to The Man.
I mean how many people are in hell because they were atheists or follow the wrong religion?
Heck what about those teenagers who were not bad people but disliked church?
How many people are in hell for the most petty reasons?
Considering how many violent crimes Black folk commit annually, how many war crimes juden rats have committed since forever, and how much corruption exist in the world, I'd say a great portion of them deserve to be in hell
Technically, nothing’s petty when it offends God. People forget how serious sin can be, sometimes a petty little sin like a white lie or some revenge can ruin you for life
If we don't know what gets a person into heaven as the episode stated....
Then we don't know what actually sends a person to hell either.
The angels don't know how someone gets into heaven (which is a big can of worm that the show will refuse to address due to how moronic it is.)
So, religion.
It's likely something to do with God.
I have a theory. Vivzi's afterlives are gay exclusive microcosms within a larger universe. Openly gay people are sent to Hell while the closeted ones go to Heaven. That's why both of them look like shopping districts in overpopulated cities and everyone can sing like they're on Broadway.
Thats literally how it works. You can still go to heaven if you are a homosexual if you dont act on your illness.
Oh look someone adhering to the roman Catholic approach.
Isn't this supposed to portray a bit of her naivety similar to Charlie's? A worst case scenario would be Emily dies as she believes everyone is good, only to be met by a bullet from Carmilla's rifles. But I don't think that will happen
I genuinely don't know where Viv is going with this. Because Hell is clearly full of shitbags but she can't seem to resist making it so Heaven ain't much better.
>Because Hell is clearly full of shitbags but she can't seem to resist making it so Heaven ain't much better.
Exorcists are doing nothing wrong, the souls of the unclean must be returned to the Cosmic Source so that they can try again.
You honestly believe the show will have the balls to do anything interesting like that. It's so fricking cliche that I'm baffled people still theorize what will happen
At the end of things, Hell will turn out to be full of self loathing people who just want to be loved (minus the obvious bad apples that Vivienne clearly stated as irredeemable) and Heaven will turn out to be a bunch of misunderstood snoobs who are following a set rule but end up being open minded
Screenshot this if you will and bring it up at the series finale (assuming it doesn't end up axed by season 2)
I bet money that Adam is willingly under brainwashing technology created by Vox because he couldn’t handle slaughtering his own children for an eternity anymore or remembering Eve.
Which is why the only hellish objects he and his angels wear are helmets that are obviously created in hell by Vox industries.
Nice theory, but unlikely. The morons who made the show need a strawman as their antagonist. And what better antagonist than an arrogant frat boy who likes objectifying women. Heck! He's already been titled as 'the misogynist' since episode 1, even though murders, rapists, and terrorists exist and the gang are trying to redeem them. Apparently, being a Weinstein is a million times worse.
You honestly believe they'll have the balls to redeem someone like that, even if they were talented writers??
To further add on to this, making hell an actual punishment would force Viv to address why sinners even hold positions of power within Hell. Why isn't Valentino being ass raped by Asmodeus as his punishment? Why isn't Alastor being ripped apart by hell hounds so he can experience how he died for all eternity? Why are natural born demons like imps below a sinner when they should be the ones treating them like shit? Viv sucks at depicting hell.
Literally killing The Grandpa of humanity over a deranged manipulative fricker like Vox, whom actively makes everyone’s lives worse, is a terrible idea on all fronts. Especially when he actually treats woman like Lute and Sera well and actually listens to them, unlike the sinners in hell that actively exploit their bodies for sex, money, and power.
Not to mention, this was written as a one season show, so there’s have to be some finale-tier twist or a better villain than Adam if Vivziepop actually wants to leave the show in a high note. And to especially explain why Adam and the Exterminators uncharacteristically wear those demon-like masks that seem to originate in hell.
And by all fronts, Lilith and Lucifer should not get Adam killed if they don’t want Heaven to obliterate hell. He is the only original human child of the most high that didn’t fall. (imagine how Jesus Christ will react if you literally kill Adam, bad idea by all fronts)
Not to mention, Sir Pentious would leave the show in a high note if he actually helps to take down the most dangerous overlord in hell who actively makes everyone else worse off.
>Jesus
I hope Viv doesn't bring Jesus into this show. His design is going to look awful, and he will likely have terrible characterization.
>this was written as a one season show
season 2 was confirmed long ago.
and the show seems to had some good atention on view to please the executives
No. They made season 1 long before Amazon picked it up.
Vox is one of Viv's tumbler sexymen.
Vox is literally meant to be a less likable and a more pathetic Alastor, but blue and modern.
So he's better off then everyone who ISN'T based on Viv's favorite OC.
Not really. If he actually not-drugged Adam and the exterminators to allow them to be more effective killers, every Overlord and sinner would slaughter him, including Alastor (whom is already pissed off with Vox).
>anything interesting like that
The problem with just about everything fiction nowadays is the fact that writers are actually well read in anything. They haven't read/watched the greats/classics/essentials before they put pen to paper. It's kinda like learning to cook never having eaten something good, you just have no fricking idea how your product compares. And it's not just the writers but the audience as well.
And these companies, they've realized that they can hide these gross narrative shortcomings by simply throwing an animation budget at it. You can get away telling the shittiest nonsensical stories on the planet like Studio Ghibli does if you actually put all your effort behind the animation.
I sometimes wonder if it's possible to raise a child on good writing nowadays. Because they'll be inundated with shit storytelling until they reach high school, where they'll learn about storytelling but their brains have been poisoned so far that the lessons will be boring and the works they read lame in comparison to what they've already seen. And then after what is probably 100 hours maximum of studying literature they'll be sent into the world where they will just ingest storytelling poison for the rest of their lives.
While I agree that HH's writing is not good, I'd say there are still plenty of people who are "well read" out there. They just aren't the type of people who write for commercially produced cartoon shows
Well that's the fricking problem isn't it. Even if we disagree on how literate the public is, at the end of the day all media being produced is being made for the most illiterate segment of the population.
And how it affects me is that I just don't want to engage with people on the basis of media because you're just going to walk away feeling like everyone out there is illiterate. It's not that people are stupid, it's that they've been eating a diet of garbage media their entire lives and don't think they need an intervention. Like I have gone years answering every question about books, TV, and film with the same fricking answer over and over just to see if anybody will actually do the best shit I know about and it never happens. I know people who have listened to me give the same fricking answer for a decade and they still haven't picked any of that shit up because for some fricking reason they'd prefer to slap on whatever the frick is on Netflix.
Like right I'm talking about Hazbin with one of my friends and I just can't fricking make him budge or acknowledge how fricking shallow this show is. This is a person who has never done any challenging thing involving Hell. No Sandman, no Mike Carey Lucifer, no Dostoyevsky, no Good Omens, no Hellblazer, no Warhammer (which isn't Hell but does a pretty good job of depicting a dimension of suffering fueled by human moral failing).
I feel like nobody gives a flying frick about doing something better, just won't lift a single finger to search for shit that they know is better because it's easier to just sit in shit and not have to move.
Nta I think a lot of it comes down to your personal shortcomings, anon. You never learned to engage with people on their own terms, being too focused on being right. Why would anybody give a shit about your opinion when their thoughts and feelings are very clearly irrelevant to your immutable state of mind? You lack the faculties to diplomatically engage with people who are wrong. You will be condemned to people even spitefully wipe their asses with any of your suggestions if you do not learn to find value in the things they think and do. Or continue to be right and alone.
>at the end of the day all media being produced is being made for the most illiterate segment of the population.
I'd say this is hyperbolic. Cartoons are going to often be for more general audiences because of the cost of production. However there's more books be written now than ever, and I think you'd be overly cynical (and probably not actually that well read) if you dismiss it all as garbage.
Because the general population is illeterate do not means giving shit to eat. You have to give some education with you artwork.
It can always get worse, since we can get things like the Good Omens show.
It’s more cliche to make heaven evil and hell good
The show only knows one trope, and that's daddy issues
Is there any other series in Cinemaphile history that follows a single trope and cements it on literally every single character?
Not even Coconut Fred had this much of repeated character cliche
I just realized that’s why they made Adam a major antagonist. Frick this one-note show.
I'm telling you man, the show has no fricking identity. Every single character is one note and lack personality
I'd also like to add to my previous statement
much like RWBY the show will take a year long, maybe longer, hiatus after season 1. Because they have no fricking clue on what to do, they'll wait until the fanbase creates headcanons and personalities for the character, then they'll steal those ideas. Obviously, they'll alter it slightly in order to avoid plagiarism, but seeing the state of the fanbase, they'll be more than happy if their ideas were stolen
>they'll wait until the fanbase creates headcanons and personalities for the character, then they'll steal those ideas.
If I actively did that as a head writer, I’d put my pen down in shame.
RWBY did that, and they reached 9 seasons, two crossovers with DC, five or so games, multiple comics, an anime and it revived RT from the grave
>all that bullshit
>at the cost of it’s soul and identity
Hard pass. I’d rather have a cartoon with an extremely memorable season than 9 forgettable ones, each more than the last
Yeah I wouldn’t call them innocent, more like
>they’re already in hell, why are we killing them a second time?
It also goes against the reason hell exists, to burn for all eternity.
Real hell, sure
The hell in the show is like your average day in Detroit or Chicago. How the hell are they suffering if they're doing as they please without any actual punishment
>average day in Detroit or Chicago
i would prefer being tortured for eternity rather that spend a day in those places
Sinners with remorse like Angel exist
>remose
Is it remose? Like I doubt Angel is in Hell because he didn't "stick it to the man" while he was living. At least not in the way Adam is implying when he pulled those rules out his ass.
Wasn't Angel a roaring twenties gangster while alive?
Gangsters aren't exactly known for living without blood on their hands.
Is he still even one in the show and if he was, does he even even regret being a gangster? he took down the loan sharks with gatling guns without a sweat like a gangster would anyway.
So why isn't his redemption arc about acknowledging what he did in life that lead to his situation in hell? There is an irony with a former gangster ending up as a sex slave of an even worse demon gangster pimp like Valentino. Why not elaborating on Angel regretting his actions as a human and wishing for a second chance?
Need a neutral afterlife
You mean purgatory?
The whole bit about Heaven not wanting Hell to be stronger makes me wonder... what was the point of Deluge/Flood? Because that shit kind of backfired. That was a bit counter productive wasn't it?
Don't try to logic with religion, shit never makes sense. They're always terrified of the devil, except there should be no way the devil can be more powerful than god. So what is it they are afraid of?
>STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!
>Don't try to logic with religion, shit never makes sense. They're always terrified of the devil, except there should be no way the devil can be more powerful than god.
A little tidbit:
>In Islamic discourse, Ahriman embodies the absolute evil (the Devil) in contrast to Iblis (Satan) who represents an original noble being still under God's power. Although the divs, the creations of Ahriman in Zorastian beliefs, entered Islamic literature, to the point of being accepted as reality by Muslims, Ahriman is mostly a stylistic device to refute the idea of absolute evil. The divs were yet another creation by God although prior to the devils, angels, jinn, and humans, mentioned in the Quran.
>Ayn al-Quzat Hamadani asserts that evil exists relational to humans, but always serves a greater purpose. In accordance with tawhid, God is the ultimate source of good and evil. Rumi denies the existence of Ahriman completely:
>This is our main quarrel with the Magians (Zoroastrians). They say there are two Gods: the creator of good and the creator of evil. Show me good without evil – then I will admit there is a God of evil and a God of good. This is impossible, for good cannot exist without evil. Since there is no separation between them, how can there be two creators?
Bro, I have never heard of this Ahriman in my entire life
And why the hell are you taking the words of another belief, that goes against Islam at its most basic foundation as if the two agree on the same thing
>logi
Warning! We have an Athist with Fedora.
One goal of the Flood was a new beggining.
Why not kill Noah's family too and really restart entirely?
Because God had already decreed that Adam and Eve's offspring would populate the Earth. If he killed all of humanity off, he would be going back on his word to start over.
They are not terrified of the devil because he has magical powers and can throw a fireball at you, at least those who really follow Christian doctrine, they are terrified because he can tempt people to commit sins and be sent to hell for this.
Something something Eve (disguised as Lilith) wanted to do a rebellion and they got so scared they made a genocide
>he thought the shock value show of pandering was going to have good writing and consistent morals without hypocrisy
bless you
I find it funny that for so many creators they have to put themes over moral complexity and nuance to the point where they have to actively patch up the logic of their world out of show just for that shit to work. Which implies they really didn’t think of the themes in the first place to get rid of all the loose ends during the actual plot. If they wanted a sandbox to play with their ocs they really shouldn’t keep adding high stakes after the fact and just make the story more personal from the onset.
>Be evil
>Go to Hell
>Living in Hell brings misery to everyone
>Angels routinely kill people in Hell to maintain their power
>Princess of Hell wants everyone to be nice so the angels won't kill them, even though the angels aren't killing them for this reason
>Still will be miserable even if the angels don't kill me
This show has a lot of problems.
>to be nice so the angels won't kill them even though the angels aren't killing them for that reason
That's not the premise. Hell has less power and souls if/as they get redeemed. Heaven has literally no reason to attack hell if it's ritualistically weakening itself via redemption - except heaven doesn't accept redemption.
The solution is viable from any and all standpoints assuming a) redemption is possible and b) heaven doesn't reject souls on principle even after they are redeemed
There's a LOT of issues with the writting but you need to take your midwit youtuber opinion and get fricked.
>Hell has the same drugs we have
BO-RI-NG
Isn't that the penultimate punishment in dantes work? Boredom as you're frozen in ice?
South Park had Satan being a good guy like 20 years ago, why the frick do you care now
can anyone link me up to the new eps
Why does heaven have to pull a population control again? Why is hell a limited space? Does the people killed go to super hell or disappear to oblivion? What the frick are hellborn, even fallen angels were created by god? This show is a theological mess.
a) it doesn't but they do it because they fear martial reprisal
b) both places are limited in one sense and not so in others. They aren't running out of space that's just the rationalization Hell has come to all on its own
c) they go to oblivion which allegedly truly evil people go straight to. Just fricking erased. No body no life; no soul no afterlife.
d) haven't fricked with the side material but they appear to spiritually emergent life in the same way that angels are native to heaven. God doesn't exist so the realms of Heaven and hell are more like spiritual/noospheric/dimensional planes/nexuses. Souls held by mortals will arrive at one or another if they survive death. Evil people's souls just get obliterated upon death for w/e reason.
There you go.
Inferences:
Luci fricking with the mortal plane, i.e humans introduced evil, created hell and he was exiled there as a result.
>God doesnt exist
Why I'm not surprised?
Why people have issues with biblically accurate angles?
It's kinda dumb. Like sure there's some references to weird shit like the eye wheels, but a lot, if not most, of the time they come down in a humanlike form to go "yo God told me to tell you this"
In that they can use their imagination and get inteligent answer, but...
Wasn’t the point of HH that sinners are bad and need to be rehabilitated to get into Heaven? But now the angels in Heaven are bad and the sinners are innocent?
Viv thought about it, remembered the woke idiom “it’s society’s fault”, and ran with a different premise
Adam is acting on his own in a shit way. Sinners, at least the ones at the Hotel are sort of working their way toward at least earning purgatory/limbo status I guess.
Are minor sins forgiven in hazbin universe? If not then most sinners are “evil” for saying damn and jerking off once
Actually, contrary to belief, jerking off is not wrong UNDER the pretext that it's only to relief the body, not the mind. Meaning, if your balls end up swollen, for medical tests, etc so long as you have no lustful desires and you do it without thinking of anything lustful
So as long as your mind is blank, and you're jerking it without a single thought in your mind, and for the aforementioned conditions, it's not sinful
Which verse is that?
>contrary to belief
You mean like the belief in most Christian denominations, which all morally sanction Onanism? (Even though literally everyone does it).
They did nothing wrong.
I find it endearing that despite it all he totally has Lute’s back like a real bro.
Adam is huge. Is he as tell as Sera?
It looked like Sera was like twice as tall as Adam.
>bringing misery
What exactly does she imagine Hell is for?
What does the writing team imagine Hell is for at this point?
If anything, they're ending the suffering.
Unless eternal suffering is still better than oblivion, in which case Hell is obsolete and sinners' souls should be annihilated upon death.
Even with plot relevance/explaining in the finale, they should've characterized their ruleset for Hell more.
>I think there is a resurgence of anti-Satanism because at this point in time Heaven has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Heaven is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Demons are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Heaven to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Heaven will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Heaven will not survive.
The entire thing is an open boarders allegory.
Hate how Charlie abandoned her goal of nerfing the sinner flood and is going SINNERS DESERVE INFINITE CHANCES. This could be resolved if the morons in Heaven created an eigth ring in Hell where sinners go to that way they are never an issue for Hellborn like Charlie
But Heaven didn't make Hell, it was made by Roo.
>Vox tells Pentious to KYS
>Leaks are saying that Adam is the one to kill Pentious
>Adam and Pent are voiced by the same dude
Alright that's kinda clever.
The leaks never said that Adam kills Sir Pentious. Sir Pentious literally kills himself.
Wait…
Does this mean that Sir Pentious sacrifice leads into Vox’s defeat/death?
>Pentious is brought to heaven
>Lute is brought to hell
>S2, go!
Isnt Hell an entire dimension? How the frick can it run out of space?
Don't you know, Hell is a 3-sphere. It's a closed manifold.
Lute bullying you with her lewd angel toes!
>inb4 it's Adam and they're doing Angel-on-sinner roleplaying
cute and lewd
I kind of hope the end isnt just they all have to team up to find the big bad Roo monster or whatever. I want there to be actual conflict between the characters about the nature of justice and redemption, without an easy "one side is clearly right" answer.
I would think they'll have to struggle with their inner demons. Regrets and shit related to their sins or life on Earth. The Hotel is mostly there to get them out of their usual bad tendencies in Hell.
Wth is Roo?
why can't the musicals sound like this instead of annoying pop slop
this song is almost identical to Charlie's story
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Or this:
I love how the people interested in helluva is not the kind of people viv is designing for. Like when she did that blue wolf singing that trash fire song about partying, everyone thought it was some furry poon animation while viv was trying to make some rebel statement combined with permanently online "cuhurazy" aesthetics.
Genetically speaking there are more neutral people than evil or good meaning both dimensions would be neutral majority. The SAW tier shit in Hell wpuldnt be a thing since the morally neutral sinners would vastly outnumber the evil ones and impose their standards to everyone in Hell.
You have broken up with Lute and she's crying, saying how much she loves you and threatening to kill you if you leave her. How do you escape?
Why would I break up with her?
How do you escape an abusive energy being?
cum on her halo 360 no scope
DISAPPEAR INTO THE NIGHT
>Vergil impregnated Lute
Is that why Nero's devil trigger has angel wings?
Tell her I'm dating Niffty.
hide away
I tell her I didn't mean it after all and let her bully me sexually until she stops rage crying.
Split myself in two.
The premise makes no sense I'd absolutely not break up with Lute.
What a shitshow
Does Viv understand Adam and Eve making no genetic sense? How the frick did humans from Canaan get to Australia?
By boat? The same way they actually did irl?
>Does Viv understand Adam and Eve making no genetic sense?
Anon, she wouldn't make this show if she believed in the bible at all.
>no genetic sense
Are you criticizing Viv or religion itself now?
Do you remember what Eve is supposed to be?
The bigger question is
how did adam managed to get laid
I'd have sex with him
Shut up, Eve.
I think most polytheisms have a bunch of afterlives, Christianity is the only one with two as far I know. Hell is where the bad souls go and Heaven is where the good souls go, so where do the neutral souls go.
>I dont want to help people nor do I want to hurt them
This is a morally neutral person, where does this guy/gal go exactly when they die?
Depends on the denomination/church/individual's view of Christianity
Shut the frick up about this if you know neither the canon nor the scripture.
>canon
Purgatory
>scripture
Left to inherit the Godless Earth after the End of Days.
god i want to frick this little noseless prostitute
One day you will be able to sell Angel rape Val.
>Emily becomes a fallen Angel
>lands in Val's studio
If each section of hell is ring, then thats actually alot of surface area to exist on just for the Pride Ring, so the muh overpopulated shit is just that shit. The entire human species can spatially fit in Paris ffs.
Where are the Arabs in hell and why haven’t they jihaded all the troony, hooknosed, prostituteish, infidel haram cast with angel spears yet?
See
The arabs are all in heaven
But they relocated to a different place than the homosexual gay furries and peter
Well, Islam is the correct religion so they don't really end up in hell.
The Good Place was a show that already pondered on the moral dilema of a hell and heaven and how to best make such an existence work.
I do not think Viz is smart or clever enough to make the concept half as intresting or well thought out.
I wonder if Viv is aware of TGP doing any of that even. I mean that deeper stuff doesn’t happen until a few seasons in.
And a omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent entity assuming one objectively exists should come to the same conclusion that series did. Sans some truly monstrous people.
Lucifer still has angelic power, and accepts that sinners are mostly awful people.
He might personally eradicate the worst ones, doesn't even have to make a big deal out of it with portals probably. Lets the overlords just run around doing their thing as a very loose government of sorts on the ring.
If he cared that much or had that power he would’ve killed Alastor for mocking and disrespecting him
That would make Charlie sad.
He has the power to, but Alastor is challenging him at an emotional level.
No he’s not he’s just insulting him directly and spitting in his face and he just takes it like a b***h
Would you kill an amoeba that started talking shit to you?
If they made me mad, yes. Alastor made Lucifer mad by insulting him, if Lucifer had any pride, and could kill him, then he should kill him or humiliate him.
Randomly murdering your daughter's "friend" probably wouldn't be a good way to make her like you
You understand, microbes are constantly fricking with you but you never notice it because they are far below your tier of existence. A human soul is basically a microbe to a supreme being like Lucifer so he doesnt even take their shit talk seriously.
Lucy is clearly operating on angel racism not logic and reason.
Why is Vivzie so moronic?
They dropped the entire “overpopulated” thing, exterminations are because heaven is afraid of hell growing in soul-power too much
I think it's still a little bit there, but not the primary reason.
Pumping Lute then dumping her when she says she's in love with you!
Go to bed, Vergil.
Pumping Lute then marrying Lute then raising the baby with Lute
>Pumping Lute
I'm with you so far, this is a great idea!
>Then dumping her when she says she's in love with you!
And you've lost me, 0/10, worst idea ever.
>if angels can do whatever and remain in the sky
It's literally just Adam and his corrupted side piece. It's LITERALLY just those two who are pricks so maybe we should be asking why they're allowed to do "whatever and remain in the sky" rather than think sinners are any way comparable to people living in heaven as shown by the 'welcome to heaven" song.
The only sinful thing Lute did was backstab Vaggie for what appears to be fun. Adam is a ningen.
Presumably all the other exorcists, too.
Where are all the Russians, Arabs, Baltics, Chinese, Europeans and Indians in hell? Surely they don’t wanna put up with all of Vivzie’s Los Angeles gay gay shit. Does every single one of their historic leaders and citizens who doesn’t worship gays just poof into nonexistence?
I'd imagine being eternally damned makes you rethink your morals
No fricking way man, if Emperor Hadrian woke up in hell he’d have every citizen of Roman history on his side and bathing the streets in israelite blood.
Hell should’ve had historical figures man
If you don’t wanna do recent figures fine but there’s so much you could do with Rome and Greece and China
That would be fun, you could have different parts of hell/heaven look like different historical locations based on who lives there. They could still hold old grudges and still be fighting old battles etc
It’s easy to imagine they’d fall victim to the annual exorcisms if they actually tried to amass military power. Sinners who’d dare confront Exorcists die out and only the selfishly indulging degenerate crackheads remain long term.
I thought similarly. Being a warlord won’t really work or help you stay hidden, overlords are meant to hide from angels and make deals, not fight them
Overlords we know seem to be more of the ‘opium for the masses’ types anyway. Media moguls, pimps, weapon dealers (since gang warfare passes as entertainmen). Or seemingly more self-involved than anything.
Alastor killed them all.
>CITIZENS WE MUST ROUTE THE JUDEANS
>emperor for fricks sake we've done that 10,00 times and they just come back the next day
>NEVERTHELESS
>screw this I'm going to a lupanar
In my experience, Liberals tend to preach multiculturalism and then treat other cultures like a sacred cow to the point where it can come off as xenophobia. You can't learn a thing without talking about a thing and having misconceptions about the fricking thing you're talking about. "L vs. R" in Japanese dialects is seen as some faux pas to mention or make fun of, but it was literally the first thing addressed and joked about by a Japanese professor I had.
Someone who drinks the koolaide too hard doesn't want to put a non-American anywhere in their fictional work out of fear of it being construed as stereotypical.
Apparently it makes you rethink your entire ethnicity and language too.
>In my experience, Liberals tend to preach multiculturalism and then treat other cultures like a sacred cow to the point where it can come off as xenophobia.
Unless you're Japanese, then your culture is problematic according to them.
In my experience, Cons tend to preach freedom and western values and then beg for violent Russians and Arabs to destroy said values.
Can't kill what America already murdered in cold blood.
Why is first episode such a shitfest compared to pilot and rest of the season?
How hard would dudes on Hazbin Earth coom their brains out at the reality of demon girls and angel girls? Im pretty sure Emily would become a worldwide religion in a week.
Reality has provided an answer to that question already.
Unparalleled kek
That she would.
I'd blow my brains out right away to find some hellhound cookie.
How would Earth react to learning that this was how the afterlife works. Suicide would definitely skyrocket but people would probably be pissed off at how dystopian and unfair it is. Also everyone would be unable to get over being forced to become a furry and wondering what their fursona is
Would simps commit suicide to frick their gfs who went to hell?
I hope not i get that everyone deserves a second chance but calling the sinners "innocent" is plain stupid, just hope they play it out smart and dont give everyone in hell a free pass
>You better take responsability anon!
Does she sex with the helmet on?
It's sexier that way
Why would an angel have a gestation period instead of her baby being formed in seconds then shat out?
>Lute stares you down while the baby plops out mere seconds after you fill her womb
Never.
There is no point to exorcist just make "evil" people cease to exist when they die and only goody goody get a second chance. This of course makes the point of Hell pointless so Vivzie had to slide soul destruction somewhere in there.
>Adam is human sinner who enjoys mass killing fellow human sinners
Isn't that more like Lilith's lore? (Also what is her problem?)
Despite using Christian theming the show's angels and demons are much closer to something like eastern yokai. Angels aren't omniscient and god isn't present, they just woke up one day. They created humanity in the way that humans could create a new species using advanced technology but then fricked it up because they are incompetent. It's very far from the show being about the ineffable plan of God that defines Christian theology...
>Sinners cannot die
>Alastor can somehow kill sinners
>Sinners can somehow sell their souls which would be like a human selling off their brain
Nothing in this shit makes sense at all. In my opinion only higher demons should be able ot make soul contract not sinners as they have more authority in hell than sinners. Angels can also make soul contracts, actually frick soul contracts they can just straight up control your soul.
>Sinners can somehow sell their souls which would be like a human selling off their brain
It'd be like humans selling their souls, an extremely common literary trope. What are you trying to say here?
Usually its living people that sell their souls but in Hell you are literally your soul so how the frick can you sell yourself?
For drugs and a bit of cash darling, just like real life
You sell yourself into bondage, as is clearly shown. That's not even an unheard of concept in real life.
But thats a ridiculous concept, you shouldnt be able to sell your soul if you are a fricking soul and not just a soul inhabiting a body like a living person.
You're selling yourself, what's so ridiculous? They literally show Angel and Husk being tugged around on chains by their owners, it's not hard to understand
But a soul shouldnt be able to sell itself.
Why not? A human is able to sell themselves. It just means whoever you sell to owns you.
Yeah. Hell is basically anarcho-capitalism. You can sell yourself into slavery if you want, your choice babe. It's very dumb but then again I imagine a lot of people in hell aren't good at making decisions
Also vibe check but when people sell their souls it's not an immediate transaction but rather a promise to go to hell upon death. There's no accounting where the body and soul become separated and the deal is predicated on such a separation. Rofl.
Selling your soul as living person makes sense because your a greedy stupid human, but in Hell you are a soul why the frick you sell yourself? Money? You dont need to eat anything, why the frick do you need money?
>why do degenerates in literal Hell make dumb choices
wow, who knows
>Demon:Hey there bro you wanna be rich, all it takes it just one soul
>You:Ok sure
>Demon:Alright then enjoy your wealth while you can
And then you die
>Huh where am I?
>Welcome to Hell stupid human as a result of your contract with [INSERT DEMON NAME HERE] you will stay here for eternity
>Noooo I thought it was just a joke
VS
>Hey there dude wanna sell your soul for money?
>But I am a soul?
>Thats right your immortal self all tied to one contract makes perfect sense right?
>Uh no
>SELL ME YOUR FRICKING SOUL ALREADY
>No
People are stupid and do completely idiotic things all the time. Husk lost his soul by being a degenerate gambler. Angel Dust is a drug addict. And people can just torture you relentlessly in hell to scare you into signing away your soul.
The way I imagine it is that not all soul contracts let the person you're signing with do WHATEVER they want. There are probably conditions. It's better business anyway if you are just trying to build power and influence. Like signing up to work for Carmine is probably mostly like having a regular job, only you are in hell
>Hey babe I can give you everything you want in the world
>Dope? Sex? Fame?
>All you gotta do is sign right here
You are forgetting there's no law or order. The environment can absolutely be shit enough that people see servitude as sanctuary, which it is in many ways, under a patron. Additionally if go Babycakes and BE AGGRESSIVE about it you can just do whatever the frick you want to someone until they accept the bargain. Alastor possesses the souls of many overlords and that wasn't all just Husker hustling. There was a good deal of struggle snuggling.
How can Alastor claim overlord souls if he was a weak ass sinner at first? This is so fricking stupid
He wasn't a weak sinner - that's the whole fricking point. His immediate relevance in hell is an in-universe mystery.
Embodiment theory would just say he had a talent for being evil and a radio demon. Soul theory would suggest he got a bunch of soul power somewhere, almost certainly tied to the fact that someone already own HIS soul, anon. Watch the fricking SHOW
>Boringlastor le commited bloodbaths against former overlords
WHY
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WHO
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WHERE
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CARMINE'S
GORY
BACKSTORY?
Because conflict is costly and you can lose. They clearly do fight between each other but typically an overlord is more of a sinful businessman. You corner a niche and pray on the guileless sinners below you. So long as your niche doesn't affect someone else's racket everyone is happy and there's no need to fight. Just like regular business/organized crime.
You don't need to kill everyone to be an Overlord but yeah most of them should have some kind of 'coming up the ranks' blood bath in their past. Vox tried to deal with Alastor because their niches conflicted but it was Alastor who made it confrontational.
He didn't kill them. They will reform. It doesn't go into detail about how that works so maybe they just respawn or bits of them coalesce or something but they are not dead. When killed by an angelic weapon the dark energy in the soul is forced out and you don't reform
I'm guessing you lose power when you are killed, so overlords being killed restart as regular powered sinners. Very vulnerable to extermination or Carmine's weapons.
Alastor didn't kill off sinners, moron. He killed Hellborn and he abducted sinners to torture them infinitely and broadcast their screams forever.
Souls are souls. You can pledge your gestalt to someone, simple as. That doesn't affect anything else you mentioned. Mortal souls cannot be killed by simple means. You can do whatever you want and they survive. More than killing the game is breaking or enthralling. Alastor breaks other Overlords enthrall, like the Vs.
You know in anime they have a solution to immortals its called sealing, you just seal some dude you know like and its like he was erased from existence. In christian lore the devil is already sealed in Hell to start with.
Presumably not ever the angelic weapons can fully destroy the souls. Viv said somewhere that those result in all the eyes and shit in walls etc. They become part of Hell’s topography.
Except that evil people are completely annihilated and appear in neither heaven or hell. Meaning exorcism IS oblivion. Maybe fragments of souls linger in the corners like eyes and so on but the actual content of a being is erased.
>In christian lore the devil is already sealed in Hell to start with
Lol, lmao. Care to back that up, son? You're saying that as if he were in the pit pre-end times like some Nephlim trash.
Where’d she say that, anyway? That Hitler-level souls get instantly deleted?
Ok does Vivzie understand that souls are energy not cells and biology? Why do the sinners have flesh and blood?
>inb4 Bleach
Buddhist afterlife very different
Ok now you're reaching. I have issues with the writing and setting as well, but the show is clearly not going for a 1-1 recreation of Christian theology. Letting people get injured and stuff serves the needs of plot.
The souls are given twisted flesh and blood, they are clearly not what their human identity was.
Sex with Rosie!
Yes!
A fun fanfic idea would be for the emperor to someone die and manifest in Hell. He has trillions of people that have pledged their souls to him and was already a psyker so strong it freaked out even powerful eldar and chaos demons. i'd like to imagine he wouldn't abandon humanity even if their souls were being twisted by hell given that it isn't exactly chaos
I dont think Vivzie understands what immortality actually means, infinite regen is something but sinners should be unkillabe as in no matter what you do their body they are STILL PERFECTLY CONSCIOUS even as vaporized matter. That is true immortality being impossible to kill at all no matter what happens to your form.
>what immortality actually
Immortality isn't real anon.
Quarks are immortal because as far we know no amount of time will make them break down.
Quarks aren't alive.
>physical manifestations of the body should have complete control over the functions of a spiritual existence
They're already in magic land, spastic. Or are you going to defend Alastor's slender man routine as perfectly plausible irl?
Thats actually thing that pisses me off, why does he have powers like that and Angel Dust doesnt or Nifty doesnt?
The assumption is he made a deal with Lilith.
Angel has hammer space for guns but ultimately he's a soulless bawd. Of course he'd have no power. As for how sinners in general gather power it's never going to be explained.
The two most reasonable theories are KOTR2 style embodiment equals power and or faustian power where the accrual of souls gives you power.
Plus Word of God says that all demons can transform into a full demon form. They've got a little bit of magic. But not much.
Man Eastern afterlives make more sense than Christian ones, even though eastern ones are batshit insane.
It's almost like all religions are just schizo stories.
Yes Anon cuz
>we just started existing because... we just did
>we've always existed in a cycle even though all our understanding of science is that an infinite series of events is impossible (also implying that the universe is a closed system and that no energy is lost)
>bro we're living in a simulation (deism with extra steps)
Make so much sense. You sound like a fedora tipper. have a nice day.
So I've been hearing the "the bad souls just automatically die when they go to Hell" thing for awhile and I decided to google it, because I agree it was a cop-out, and I can't find a source for that ANYWHERE. I've googled every variation of "Hiterl/nazis/rapists/pedophiles/racists/historical figures Hazbin Hotel" I could think of, and most of it is just people speculating like us. I've only been able to find two definitive answers:
>She said she wasn’t going to incorporate any real life people or historical events. Baxter originally died in the titanic but she decided to change it.
(from 3 years ago)
>Vivs said that she doesn’t want to involve any historical figure or happening in Hazbin.
(from 4 years ago)
Both with no sources, so I assume this was buried somewhere in her patreon and like hell I'm gonna give her money to find it. I even read a few wiki entries and there's nothing. So okay, she doesn't actually want to focus on real life bad people and wants to have her Rocky Horror knockoff set in Hot Topic Hell, that's fair, but she had to know that people were going to ask about it (especially since Charlie doesn't seem to think anyone is beyond redemption??). So yeah I guess the real answer is that there ARE Hitlers and Epsteins in hell, but we're just not going to talk about them.
Her wanting it to be all fictional characters is fair enough. For Epstein-likes we do have Val.
Yeah, I just think she should've known people were going to be disingenuous and say shit like "I guess Hitler can go to heaven!!".
Creators dodge these topics because its a very bad idea to offend someone in the process.
There are a ton of people who get offended of these characters swearing even. Its the absolute best choice to not involve yourself with stupid internet shit, because the person you argue with is a terminally online moron with non-valuable time, while you as a creator have a very valuable time.
Being offensive. leaves a bigger impact for sure, like if they showed Hitler on screen, there would be 20+ youtubers immediately churning out a video on it how they feel like their life is threatened by a cartoon and another 10 about theories and another 5 shipping him with characters, but you really need to think forward in the era where people have a thin skin.
>I guess the real answer is that there ARE Hitlers and Epsteins in hell, but we're just not going to talk about them.
Valentino alone has probably done worse things than Epstein has. So he is going to really test the notion that everybody deserves a shot at redemption. Ultimately, the writers will cop out and just make him reject redemption.
>Ultimately, the writers will cop out and just make him reject redemption.
From Val's perspective, why would he want redemption?
If you want an idealistic answer, as in why would a righteous Val want redemption. Its because redemption is good for you.
The practical answer, for current Val, is that he probably wnats to live in a place where he doesnt have to worry about someone cutting his throat all the time. Plus even he should understand that, conceptually, he would be happier in heaven by the very definition of the term.
At this point I'm pretty sure the people bringing it up are those that are actually neo-Nazis and want representation.
>She said she wasn’t going to incorporate any real life people or historical events
And yet she had Saint Peter in the show.
And Adam.
The thing with Saint Peter (or Adam, if you think he was real) is that he has become so mythologised that you can incorporate him as an archetype. Saint Peter in the show is not the historical St. Peter, he is just Heaven's gate guard/bouncer.
Saint Peter in the bible had more complexity during his life than just being the gatekeeper of heaven.
Right, but the persona has been mythologised/flanderized to heaven and back. His role as gatekeeper has been asbtracted from the man himself and turned into an archetype.
Nah, there's a huge difference between using a mythological interpretation of a guy who might've existed and another guy who definitely didn't vs. choosing not to address real life terrible people who haven't even been dead a century.
Exactly there completely different things.
Here's the source:
See 1:30:30 - 1:32:50.
People misunderstood her words. She didn't claim that the souls of rapists and mass murderers just magically vanish when they die. She said that they have made so many enemies during their lives that they end up instantly targeted and picked off once they enter the afterlife. That's the in-universe explanation for not involving infamous criminals in the cartoon. And the out-of-universe explanation is that they didn't want to reference real crimes and tragedies because it'd be in poor taste.
Where’s the rapist mafia in hell? They ought to be hiding in a hole somewhere and pop out as an army layer on
Val?
>picked off
BUT SINNERS CANT FRICKING DIE, holy fricking shit if the immortality of sinners was gonna cause this many logic holes you should have just went with the toss into lake of fire treatment you fricking hack.
>BUT SINNERS CANT FRICKING DIE
They can get their hands on angelic weapons.
Thats a copeout as they shouldnt even be able to fricking touch angelic technology, they should start disintegrating even getting near Angels.
>Thats a copeout as they shouldnt even be able to fricking touch angelic technology, they should start disintegrating even getting near Angels.
Well that's not part of the worldbuilding here so it's not a copout lol.
Anon, I think you're off your meds.
Oh shit thanks for finding the source anon.
I think she means that they are innocent of being massacred but yeah, the usage of 'innocent' is strange when talking about the denizens of hell.
I imagine they are going to pull a "whatever mechanism decides who gets placed where" has a high degree of arbitrariness. But that doesnt really parse with what we have seen and what Lucifer says. Everyone, including sinners themselves, pretty much agree that sinners are horrible people. Charlie is trying to chnage them, not show that the assessment of them is mistaken. The show kinda forgets that at some points.
Welp, Alastors coolness has been ruined for me
>A manlet, dorky, depressed Lucifer is his rival
>Lucy is hardly a threat despite being highest ranked in hell supposedly
>Their rivalry is over who is Charlie’s “daddy” and not who is in charge of hell
>Alastor’s sneakiness and subtlety is just completely out the window by him directly opposing the ruler of hell
>The fact Alastor never swears is now broken and he sounds like the rest of the cast now.
>Gets pussywhipped and ordered around by a fat barfly we just met
>His ultimate demon form is just boring. Just him but bigger. Not even leaning into the fact hes a deer.
its over Alastorbros
The underlying theming of Alaster's powers and appearance is all over the place.
> Radios (Okay)
> Broadcast Presenters (Sure)
> Static distortion (Makes sense)
> Incompatibility with modern technology (Alright)
> Fixed grin (Uh, uncanny countenance? Weird for something so engrained in auditory media to have but I suppose it sort of makes sense. People can't see your face in realtime so their mental image of you might just be from billboard advertisements and such.)
> Eldritch symbols (Out of left-field, but maybe those have nothing to do with theme and occur naturally whenever a demon becomes powerful enough)
> Elk (Wha-??)
> Remote Wilderness (I don't really see ho-)
> Tentacles (... you're just taking the piss now.)
I think soul contracts are a weak writing device. Angel would have worked fine if he had a normal contract to Val that basically cant be cancelled because lol its hell.
At that point you're just objecting to the use of the word "soul".
I still dont understand why any sinner wage slaves at all if they dont need to eat or drink anything.
Not technically dying isn't the same as being comfortable or happy. On Earth a lot of people could technically work a lot less and still *survive* but they want things because having things is nice
Its Hell, fricking steal stuff.
Presumably they need to do all those things, but if they die of starvation they just respawn and go through the whole process over again. Plus I imagine they are all trying to get whatever power they can whithin the structure set in place, and that requires working within the system.
Hell isn't even hell in her show if you're too evil you just disappear which is a reward given how shitty she made her universe. If you're Buddhist just be an irredeemable butthole and you can reach Nirvana.
>Hell isn't even hell in her show if you're too evil you just disappear
This isn't canon. I have no idea where this actually came from.
I need more chubby Staravia in my life. Spoiled princess that eats all the treats she wants
Everyone in Hell is some kind of gay except for Niffty. Really makes you think, huh?
Niffty confirmed fallen angel too?
Maybee
Nifty's a gay too
What does Angel's flag even mean? I thought he was just gay.
I'm utterly confused because the entire argument Charlie has is "Uh Angel Dust has been a bit better lately"
Lute and Adam are unironically right: what the frick are we even talking about? Someone who does less hard drugs than last week? Where's your redemption?
they should've just switched it off the moment it turned on and showed him in a gay bar acting like a gay drinking wienertails with the other gays
It's incredible Charlie and Viv try to bullshit that telling their moron womanchild hobbit not to cry in a stripclub he took her to makes him selfless
Oh boy you comforted your friend's emotional freakout in a den of sin
"If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?"
Being decent to your friends is not being a good person, it's just part of having friends. Bible says so.
>So in Hell you can apply this job
>What?
>Yes a job you can apply for it
>Why?
>So to get money
>Ill just rob people
>But but you should get a job
>No Im gonna rob you right now
>Wait stop please!
And then someone else robs you.
>try to rob someone
>the mob they pay protection to comes and rapes and double murders you
Thus forms a state society
Guess it depends on how strong you are. Let's be real here, how. many of you are brave enough to start fighting a bunch of random demons. If you are a Cinemaphile anon you would definitely be sent to hell in hazbinverse, do your really think you're some sort of mary sue badass like Alastor? Don't make me laugh
>If you are a Cinemaphile anon you would definitely be sent to hell in hazbinverse
I kind of want to right a bad fanfic where (you) get sent to hell and go check into the hotel, but Charlie doesn't know what to do with you because you're just kind of a schlub and not a psycho murderer drug fiend.
I mean, Cinemaphileners' rehabilitation would just involve us being forcebly socialized. Talk to a girl day, shower every day classe, dont be a greedy slothful lustful butthole classes. Work on yourself class.
I assume Hell would also have a chan, probably uncreatively called 666chan
That would have fun posts
>tons of clubs with literal sex rooms
>bunch of prostitutes willing to frick the first guy they see
>still can't get laid
Should I just sell myself to Val, bros?
A-at least you would get laid. I don't think he does temporary contracts though, bro
He'd probably put you in a bunch of orgasm denial shit just to frick with you
>shower every day class
Can Niffty help me with that one?
That desire is just a product of your lustful nature anon, once you understand the proper ordering of pleasure you will find it more enjoyable to have a proper conversation with Niffty during lunch.
>niffty has to be kept away from anon because she can only see him as a mess
>the moment anon steps near a water source Niffty tries to forcefully submerge him
>aversion to baths develops into a full on phobia
C-Charlie you have to believe me, I'm only here because there was no state-mandated GFs on earth
If you actually watch Hazbin Hotel you realize this entire show's premise is completely collapsed
>Lucifer is doomed to hell, never to see the good of the people he helped create, only the bad
>This is what caused him to give up on hell
>Except a whole bunch of demons (Stolas, the succubus lady) can just open portals out of hell, and literally either go there
>Even if Lucifer is banned from leaving and they're not, real good people can be dragged in and shown to him, then punted out
>Lucifer is the ultimate ruler of hell, the "big boss of hell himself", so no one could deny him this
He’s a fricking manic shut-in weirdo, that’s not a plot hole
Oh yeah in all the thosuands of years he's been there no one told him you can totally leave hell when this is imp level knowledge. Not even some opportunistic demon who wanted to be rewarded by fixing his king's problems.
He’s probably embarrassed and committed to being an introvert, or distracting himself from heaven who he has a bad relationship with. He’s obviously anxious and manic and feels like a loser
Viv this is your entire series' foundation you cannot excuse it with "oops he didn't feel like it cause depression".
>everyone i don't like is vivziepop
hi stolasgay!
What are you even talking about? The entire project is about being a BPD queer in the first place. Viv would absolutely write it that Satan had anxiety for 1000 years
Satan is hot according to Bee, that's all we know about him so far I think. Might be a bit of an enforcer I think, Moxxie I think invoked his name when saying Verosika would be in trouble if their beach shenanigans got found out.
I mean Lucifer
He straight up said he had depression. Could be a lot of factors, but among the biggest is probably seeing how free will made so many sinners complete buttholes. Which has to have been going on for thousands of years.
Charlie’s going to pull a curtain in Lucifer’s room revealing a portal to heaven, ‘Dad, you’ve had a portal to heaven in here this entire time?!’, ‘haha yes well I’ve been meaning to use that for quite some time now, it’s been on my list, but I think I’ll get to it tomorrow haha’ boom Lucifer’s now hilariously dragging his feet over talking to his old friends again for 1000 years, he’s self-imprisoned by anxiety etc
Where would the exterminator helmets even come from if they weren’t made by Vox, much less Hell?
Made in Heaven.
Ha
Heaven wouldn’t design helmets like those.
Why not?
They wouldn’t look so demonic or feature horns.
Why not?
Where are you getting this Vox/helmets are from hell shit?
To me it's pretty obvious:
-Adam looks 'demonic"
-Adam makes the exorcists
-Adam makes them wear helmets in his own image (muh children metaphor or some shit)
>-Adam looks 'demonic"
He’s wearing a mask. So this and point 3 is muted by default. He is also a boomer, so the techno theme isn’t apart of him either.
>-Adam makes the exorcists
Lore wise, Adam doesn’t create anything. They create things he names. Like Eve and the creatures and angels of Genesis 2.
>He’s wearing a mask
but it emotes you moron
adam is the first redeemed sinner
Lute’s mask also emotes. This is not a point.
Pretty clear the shitposters are making shit up at this point.
I’m guessing that was the guy who knew that he had no way to disprove the “Vox is the mastermind” theory, since there is too much evidence for it.
Or maybe Viv is just simply that stupid, not a big suprise
Not now, Father Pucci
Hazbin Hotel hell is just an anarchocapitalist utopia. There are no rules beyond the survival of the fittest. So, the weak have to band up in organizations to challenge the strong or to challenge other's organizations because the ultimate social truth (in naturalistic terms) is that there is strenght in numbers.
Yeah it’s about queers and cliques and the way anti-queer cliques can take over and put you in a bad spot, but how that doesn’t mean you don’t have your own solidarity
Is the twist going to be that Charlie is Christ, God’s child, and the series is the Harrowing of Hell before her resurrection?
Wage slaving in hell still makes no sense, honestly the christgays were being sound by just making Hell a dimension you scream forever, you dont have fun, you dont do shit but burn and burn and burn and nothing more.
Would you marry Charlie or Lute?
Lute (masked one) without a doubt
Lute, Charlie is for my man Verbalese
Hell should be torture
people
>Are they going to pull a Steven Universe?
>There's a reason why they're in hell, you dumb moron
you missed the important note that there hasn't been anyone new in heaven for a while
that 'good' souls are going to hell
also the frick is the need for exterminations?
Sera, lute and adam say it's to keep heaven safe
from what?
Lucifer is a sissy b***h boy
>you missed the important note that there hasn't been anyone new in heaven for a while
Nta but was that said somewhere? I mean I definitely could have spaced that but man they didn't seem to emphasize that much.
checked back
"nobody knows what gets a soul into heaven"
"We know when a soul comes to heaven"
>Emily
>There is none
Fricking trash thread.
>"Are you really telling me you've never had a drink with friends at the end of a hard day?"
Does Vivzie really not understand the sheer absurdity of asking this in heaven to a bunch of angels? Where getting intoxicated and drugged is a sin and abstinence is a virtue? Yeah I'm sure all those angels drinks and smoke meth and prostitute themselves out like you do because that's totally "normal"
>no alcohol in heaven
I think some would consider that hell.
you don't need alcohol when you're blessed with permanet endolphins and dopamins
I mean, having a drink once a while is not really a sin in christianity. The key word is moderation.
christians don't know what moderation is
if you touch alcohol you go to hell
simple as
Protestants drink wine during mess so I call bs on that statement.
Damn, can't use cooking wine anymore.
I don't drink.
You are moronic anon. Wine is an integral part of the sacrament of the eucharist.
see you in hell
Muslim spotted
heh wrong
I'm gay
see you in hell
gay muslim spotted
closet gay muslim spotted
So, why is a radio demon more powerful/cunning/clever than a television demon when the latter's preferred medium is levels of magnitude more effective than the former's? Is it Viv's obssession about the 20s at work again?
We don't know, yet.
There is no sun in Hell, why the frick is there some kind of day and night cycle? Why do they use Earth based units of time too? Like year and such?
a wizard did it
Sure, why not? That's the kind of shit that doesn't matter
How does Alastors radio show even have business if the bulk of frickers in Hell would be TV addicts?
Viv has said multiple times that Alastor is her favourite character.
I hope Satan is hot. Like a cooler Striker cowboy.
Wait a fricking second, why does Charlie eat food? Shouldnt she be immortal just like Lucifer?
lucifer feels like charlies shota little bro more than a dad
combo of young appearance/voice, making him short for dumb twitter points, and noone treating him with respect or reverence even though he's supposedly the king
A movie about Charlie's brothers.
>You gotta let sinners into heaven
>No
>But why they have shown they can be redeemed
>Too late for that
>Its not fair
>Reality isnt fair
>Oh come on there are good people in Hell who dont deserve to be down there like my friend Sir Pentious
>You do not understand us higher angels do not really register humans as significant so what arbitary difference in morals they possess means absolutely nothing to us
>In othter words
>If you took an ant and put in a bin and put another ant in another bin would you care about why you put the ants in the bin?
>What? So thats it huh humans are just insects to you
>Well of course they are
>But the humans respect you so much
>In the same way an ant worships a human but the human doesnt even notice it
>Please let some in
>No
>What do i have to do to show they can change
>Nothing, as said before an ant tossed into one bin will stay in that bin forever there is no reason to think about why the ant is in the bin its a waste of our eternal time
>But
>Now please go away or we will permanently ban you from this dimension like your mother and father
>Then Big G waltzes in and smacks the edgelord angel upside the head for acting like Lucifer
>The exterminations were due to Heaven fearing Hell would rise up
HOW?
FRICKING HOW?
YOU CANT EVEN GET TO HEAVEN WITHOUT AN ACCESS PASS FROM THE ANGELS?
WHAT THE ACTUAL FRICKING FRICK IS THIS WRITING VIV?
Sarah is a paranoid moron and Heaven isn't as all powerful as it comes across, see the dead angel. If Luci wanted to he could probably spearhead an invasion. The question is why would he, but heaven doesn't know how little he cares - or trust his attitude to be legitimate.
>sarah
ITS SERA YOU INSIGNIFICANT GNAT
That's sort of what I expect the finale to be about. Sera was worried about Lucifer being involved for a reason, and the leaker said he shows up to fight and sing in the end. He's going to solo like all the exorcists other than Adam, who will be killed by Charlie
>the good guys die
im so sick of this shit
Adam deserves it for being a moron. He knows Lucifer has the power of a seraphim and his boss was like "hey Lucifer was involved this is bad you need to stop escalating this" but he still couldn't help but taunt Charlie
Fricking with her is probably the one thing Lucifer will delete you for
Lucifer is the moron that destroyed everything Adam ever had. If anything, Adam should pummel that loser down if he gets in his way.
I think Episode 7/8 would have Lucifer take Lute so Adam would waste his efforts going after her, while the other exorcist continue to attack.
>Charlie
>Killing people
>Specially her mom's ex
>When she has the power to stop a lot of the fricked up Overlord and says that their torture and soul fricking is okay
>And that doing so would be too mean
It would be a huge character break. Also, it would ruin her plans if Heaven sees them as a threat.
Heaven surely has ultrapowerful archangels in it.
Not too clear. The cherubs had some simple crossbows, but they weren't much of a match for a bunch of imps.
Angels can't be killed by demons and their weapons can kill them, so they have the advantage.
>archangels
lmaoing at your angel rankings
Counter point Hell gets more souls than Heaven. Sinners can get close to hellborn demons. Angels might be able to develop too but while the native ranking angel i.e those not formed from mortal souls might be stronger than demons, demons still have numbers - and one Seraph versus their two, plus Charlie the half breed.
Her fears are moronic but not inherently unfounded.
More importantly the denizens of heaven aren't ready to go to war. it's antithetical to heaven. If it comes to war they've already fricked up their paradise angle.
>Hell sucks so much
>Hey Charls aint you like the devils daughter or something
>Yes I am Angel whats your point
>Well dont you likw have powers and shit why you just change Hell yourself using them
>But but that would be wrong
>No it wouldnt! You can start by erasing these sinners from exi- I mean making them see the errors of their ways ahahhaa
>Your one really self hating sinner toots
>Vaggie I cant just force my power on everyone
>Sure you can theres nothing wrong with forcing others at all
>Can see why your in hell now toots
>Is someone being forced? ME NEXT ME NEXT!
>Nifty please
>I just cant do that ok
>You cant or you dont, look Charlie I believe in you and that means I believe in you but thats not enough to make real change in hell, you have incredible power so should use it to your vision a reality
>I guess shes right
>I wanna be forced!
>Why are you looking at me?-Husk
>Ok fine I guess Ill use my power but first I have to ask daddy if its ok
>And I call this the Quacker hhahahahahhahaa
>*phone rings*
>Charlotte whats up b***h whats good in the hood *dies inside*
>Uh yh dad um can I change Hell?
>Change hell? What do you mean?
>I mean really change it like recreate it basically
>Hmmmm yh sure I dont care
>You dont care about Hell?
>No no baby this dimension is your toy do with it whatever you want bye
>Ok dad said I can do it ok omg Vaggie Im so excited its been so long since I changed reality with my powers
>Change reality? Wait a fricking second are you like a god or something?
>Shes the spawn of the ruler of this entire dimension genius-Husk
>Ok Charlie are you ready?
>Yes I am *breathes in*
Worst comes to worse Charlie should just go The Secret World route and just fix up Hell itself
That would too good of an ending for Vivzie but yes. No sinners ever enter Heaven but Charlie becomes queen of hell and it quickly just becomes fun and great to live in and she makes all the angels seem like losers
>A few moments later
>Well what do you think?
>I think Im gonna die of cringe-Angel
>You can say that again
>I made Hell a wonderful place full of rainbows and sparkles and clean water and abundant forest isnt it just great?
>You mean I dont have to clear anything? Why would your ever do this to me? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>And the way you dealt with sinners who couldnt see reason was good too
>You made them unable to move-Husk
>Well if they cant move they cant hurt anyone beside Vaggie said I should just destroy them but I dont wanna do that I want to let them live
>Not being able to move is a hell in of itself
>Hell should be a place where people can have fun and be happy not awful
>Well if its makes Val frick off for eternity Im fine with
>I could have done this from the start Im so happy Vaggie hey you know what I think its time
>Time?
>Yh for me and you to have kids they would grow up so nice in this much better world that I made
>You really think so
>Wheres Alastor-Husk?
>Oh Charlie paralyzed him because he wouldnt stop being a murderous creep
>Hahahahah serves that butthole right-Husk
>I must say this grass hell is so much better than the gloomy city stuff-Sir Pentious
>I know right its all of our problems are solved
>WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS SHIT!
>Huh?
>Suddenly a dark sphere forms in the sky and expands until you see a humanoid figure emerge from it
>Whos the blonde?-Angel
>Mom?
>Lord Lillith-Husk
>Why does MY dimension look like this? Lucifer I know you had something to do with it you crybaby
>No mom its me Charlie your daughter
>Huh? Oh yes you uhh how are you doing daughter I love?
>Im doing great mom I changed Hell to be better
>No no no no no no Hell is meant to be awful
>But why
>BECAUSE I LIKE IT THAT WAY!
>What? So you mean Dad is the reason why Hell is awful?
>If it were up to that pathetic mess this would be an empty blank dimension with nothing in it
>Blank dimension?
>It would be only me and him, he called it romantic *disgusted noise* oohh so creepy
>But I did so much good'
>No you did wrong! Its all wrong! Wrong!
>I thought you loved humans?
>What the frick are you talking about? Humans are Eve's descendants silly daughter, I have nothing to do with these shits, I really hate Eve so I enjoy making her descendants suffer for the rest of time
>But but Mom wouldnt that make you evil?
>Enough of this *Lillith finger snaps Hell back to normal*
>Nooo all of my progress to make Hell better undone
>Your a weirdo why do you care about these things?
>Mom your book
>Just a silly fairy tale you tell to kids grow up already jeez
>But but
>This is why we never talk your so stupid you remind me of that idiot of a father you have so much ugh
>*Charlie is on the verge of tears*
>Hell will stay like this forever as long as Im here sorry daughter thats just how it is
>But Im the future queen of Hell thats what daddy said
>There is no future queen of hell there is only one Queen of Hell and thats me
>So what am I?
>My daughter thats all you are
>Ok ok this is getting too much even for me
>Dad?
>Lucifer you fricker!
>Great to see you to Lilycakes
>Frick you
>With pleasure
>Why do you have her like this?
>Me? Your the one who had custody of her for centuries and besides theres nothing wrong with her, you b***h
>Of course there is shes so like that fricking b***h Eve it makes me sick to my stomach
>Hahahhaha human problems am I right Charlotte
>Um I dont know what to say right now
>Look Lily I understand that your a malicious psychopath that enjoys tormenting the weak but even this is too far
>I only came out because she fricked up everytyhing
>Oh she did change Hell huh? I didnt notice you know considering my part of Hell cannot be altered
>Brag more you fricking winged bastard
>No dirty talk in front of our daughter
>Frick you Lucifer and frick you Charlie Im gone *vanishes*
>Wow not the family reunion you wanted huh Charles, too bad theres no therapy in Hell well I mean I could make one for you but I dont want to
>*Charlie is crying her eyes out*
>Aw there there you get used to Lilith's b***h fits eventually, I know what you will make you happy see this rubber duck I call the Quack get it because its a duck hahahahahaa
>*Charlie vanishes*
>Everyone hates the ducks why does no one like the ducks *vanishes*
>8 months later
>Is she crying in that room
>Yes what happened to her was very emotionally destructive
>I dont get it because I never knew my parents
>She been like that for so long when is she gonna stop
>*inside her room*
>Mommy you told but I mommy WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
>*outside the room*
>I dont know but shes gonna be in there for a while
Clearly the solution is to kill all gods, angels, and demons for absolute freedom
>posting persona 6
Fricking gross. Get the frick out of here with that shit. Vivzie is gay enough already.
You know who would be fun to see in Hazbin Hotel
Maybe if you really do want to attack heaven
Bro the game sucked. Atlas is dead.
>nah it was fine and not just another persona has been
Yeah now tell me about Soul Hackers.
>Demi-Fiend picks the return the Earth to normal ending
>he wakes up in hell on extermination day
>exorcists attack him and he starts punching all of them to death while Pixie looks on
>doesn't realize he is now one of the most famous beings in hell since he assumed it was just another random encounter
>Demi-Fiend learns Lucifer is in this hell and goes to speak with him to figure out what is going on
>he discovers Hazbin Lucifer working on his ducks and begins losing his mind
This manly man would kill everyone for a better world
is that a woman?
Val did nothing wrong
>make deal with devil
>oh no i don't like the consequences of my actions frickin valentino give me my souly back
Angel's life would be pretty much exactly the same deal or not. He either gets plowed in a fancy place or would otherwise end up sucking dicks for his next fix behind a Hell Burger.
He's just a simple degen. There's nothing more to him.