>insecure about the fact Godzilla Minus One is better than Shin Godzilla and more people like it
Why?
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>insecure about the fact Godzilla Minus One is better than Shin Godzilla and more people like it
He got mogged
How come there's no Minus One torrents bros
It will be at least 6 months before you see a non-cam release based on how long it took for the Shin movies to get non-cam torrents.
Will it gross more than Shin Godzilla?
Because it exposed him as a hack that doesn't understand Godzilla
Now we just need Kojima to start remaking Anno's work
I think Godzilla in Shin is creepier. But the human story, action and CGI are leap's and bounds better.
Wasn't nearly as popular in Japan as Shin. Though I doubt Shin would make as much as MO which is much more western friendly, it's domestic release was only 1/5th the size of MO's so we'll never know how much it could have made.
Shin had Japanese government marketing
Not a big enough factor to change the reception. Neither is covid because their anime films are still grossing big over there.
hmmm Minus One was anti-govements
No it wasn't.
Yes and it was super on the nose about its messaging. Shin worked due to its layers of subtext delivered through the actions of the inept bureaucrats who were in over their heads and served as a more potent reminder of japans inefficient modern day government.
What are you talking about? The movie is a criticism of the Japanese government's ineffectual responses to disasters. Some of the scenes are straight up satire, like all the ministers leaving a meeting to put on boiler suits and then going back into the same meeting room they just came from, or setting up committees to decide what committees they need to set up.
its a blend of Ikiru and Godzilla and the Main Actor if Ikiru is also In the original Godzilla, which i really like.
Takashi Shimura is one of the greatest actors to ever live and doesn't get enough credit in the English-speaking world for it, just an incredible talent.
he's amazing in everything he's in, unironically. one of the best actors in seven samurai as well
It's also because Shin was the first live action Godzilla since final wars in 2004
Shin was huge in Japan because Anno was specifically commenting on the Japanese government bungling the tsunami and Fukushima response, it touched a chord with everyone as the first real big media "moment" about the disaster. Minus One is a better film imo, but Anno understood the assignment (update Godzilla for post-Fukushima Japan) and understood the wavelength the Japanese public was on.
So he made a topical ''FRICK YOU'' movie instead of making an actually good, entertaining and timeless one?
That's like saying Godzilla was a topical "FRICK YOU" movie because it responded to the atomic bomb.
But the OG was a good, entertaining movie. The sociopolitical message added a new layer to it, that's true, but It feels absurd to compare that to Shin, at least in execution.
And yet many people who were enthusiastic about Shin specifically compared it to the original as a reason for its success.
the OG works as a monster movie AND has its messages tastefully inserted. Shin is very preachy and boring, hammering you with ''the message''. The OG will forever be a classic, while Shin is already being forgotten and overshadowed.
>while Shin is already being forgotten and overshadowed.
but this Black person can't stop talking about it.
The comparison wasn't to the specific content but the tone.
has he said anything or are you just making shit up?
When asked about the film he only said it had good CGI because of adv advancements in the field. Weak praise for a film much better than his, not just in CGI but in acting, scenario writing and dialogue.
>Director Yamazaki explained how he felt when he received an offer from Toho to make a new Godzilla movie, saying, "Honestly, it was after `Shin Godzilla' (lol). No one would normally do it, even though there's no grass growing there.” he frankly confessed. In response, Mr. Anno gave his honest reaction, saying, "No, you did a really good job (taking on the job). I was scared at first, but I'm going to do it anyway.''
>Regarding the completed "Godzilla -1.0", Mr. Anno said favorably, saying, "It was well made. It brings together all the technical capabilities we have cultivated up to now, and it is no exaggeration to say that it is the culmination of Mr. Yamazaki's work." opinion. At the same time, he also commented that it was "full of a lot of tsukkomi,'' and there was a scene where director Yamazaki retorted, "That's annoying! (lol).'' On the other hand, director Yamazaki expressed his confidence, saying, "I wanted the warship (in the film) to be something that Mr. Anno would regret,'' to which Mr. Anno bluntly criticized, "Warships are lukewarm!'' The venue was filled with excitement during the battle.
>Mr. Anno said the reason for participating in this talk event was, "I just felt like I needed to support them. If they don't make a lot of money, especially domestic special effects, they won't last.'' "think recoup (cost recovery) is probably okay, but it doesn't seem like recoup will forgive me, right?'' he said.
https://eiga.com/news/20231027/29/
What google translate is saying is
>No, you did a really good job (taking on the job). I was scared at first, but I'm going to do it anyway.''
Is actually saying something closer to
>No, good on you for taking the job. I was worried for you at first but of course you pulled it off
So in other words Anno thinks it's good and wants to support it but OP thinks he's upset?
Yes, OP is just shitstirring
Anno does seem like he can be an butthole, but this is casting aspersions
in fairness, the way it is worded makes it seem like instead of praising the director he just calls Minus One the 'culmination of his work' kek
like saying 'well, it's the best thing he's done' instead of saying it's good
it's also sort of worded like Anno thinks his endorsement is needed for Minus One to be successful domestically
Anno understands marketing though, he had to deal with his name alone being a strong pull for decades now, if that helps he'll use it. And he probably was paid to endorse the movie too.
He always said he wouldn't want to be known as "creator of Evangelion" but he never makes sure Evangelion isn't associated with him anymore and will use it to get weeb bucks.
Anno is a petty butthole. Simple as
>Nooo you can't like Evangelion that way fricking otaku scum
>Nooo you can't hate Rebuilds frick you otaku scum I'll make them shit on purpose
>Nooo you can't like kaijukino Minus One more than my boring grimdark Goji movie
he's also an butthole on set
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He is jealous that the guy who did CG Lupin III, Doraemon and Dragonquest films did better than a dude who was still stuck with Eva.
Though Shin Kamen Rider was ok.
>Though Shin Kamen Rider was ok.
Objectively the worst of the Shin films. Straight up fan film with a budget.
This is like saying
>HA! SAVING PRIVATE RYAN IS BIGGER THAN THIN RED LINE!
Shin is an art film for intellectuals, Minus is a solid all demographics movie.
Hopefully now we can finally stop pretending that Anno was ever good.
Gunbuster was decent, and Eva is one of the few truly great anime's
Still annoying that this old frick is forever cursed and bitter at his own success in EVA. I actually like his knack at making procedural drama even if its hacky sometimes, I believed he could've made a really good World War Z movie.
His godzilla was literally just live action eva. It had the exact same editing, music, shots, scenes etc.
It was just a giant lizard instead of an Angel attacking earth.
And none of the soul. I would actually prefer a Shinji type MC instead of the charisma vacuum boring ass MC of that movie.
blablabla old politicians are out of touch blablabla bureaucracy is bad blablabla Japan is too dependent on the USA blablabla meetings blablabla more meetings blablabla politics bla bla
No wonder 14 year old pseuds think the movie is ''deep'', its babies first social critique movie.
he praised Godzilla Minus One
>Hey goy, stop being a neet otaku and wasting your time with children's cartoons, go outside and touch grass...
>But first watch my children's cartoon about giant robots
>Then watch the same children's cartoon about giant robots in movie form
>Then watch the same children's cartoon about giant robots in movie form, again
>Then watch the same children's cartoon about giant robots but with shit animation
>Then watch the same children's cartoon about giant robots but with even shittier animation
>Then buy all the merchandising of that children's cartoon about giant robots
>Then watch my Godzilla rehash
>Then watch my Ultraman fanfic
>Then watch my Kamen Rider fanfic
>And don't forget to keep repeating the same memes about how deep and intellectual my cartoon is, so you can pretend to be smart online. Okay goy?
Is there a more hack, fraudulent and dishonest filmmaker than Hideaki Anno?
I don't think there is, not even Tarantino and israelite israelite Abrams are this dishonest.
you got filtered fricking hard you stupid moron
nothing is deep or hidden in his films. neither do the films even want you to think this.
they just want you to pay attention; you worthless fricking idiot.
I forgive you for hating his fans. fine. but judging his works based on the fans is asinine when he famously hates them.
The evagay is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a virgin, a pedophile, a neet, a tasteless homosexual, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a pseudo and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out"
>deep or hidden
Anything requiring the audience to actually pay attention is, by definition, deep or hidden. Most people are unable to do this. Look at the sorts of shit people ask questions about after watching Eva. Those frustrated individuals must be decrying the show as meant only for fart-sniffing smug pseuds, when the problem was always their own crippled faculties. How can you take someone's opinion on art seriously when they say things like "How was I supposed to know he died? Just because the screen went black, there was the sound of a gunshot, people ominously spoke about him and cried afterward, and he never appeared in the show again? The show is just badly written bro"?
we get it, you're a manchild
He is lashing out because he peaked with Evangelion as an artist and knows it
The Kare Kano anime was good even though it only adapted some of the manga. Too bad the staff and manga author clashed. She wanted it to have a balance of romance and comedy while the animators wanted comedy as its focus.
Anno didn't do much on Kare Kano, Gainax's animators were given free rein on that one, and Anno barely even gave oversight.
for me its nadia
NGE+EoE was like a masterwork of the cel animation era and the artistry of anime got really frickin weird right around the turn of the century with how much of the process was now being done on computers
American industry/Hollywood had similar industry changes, less hands-on on-set and more computer
Shin Ultraman > Shin Kamen Rider > Shin Godzilla > Godzilla Minus One
>Shin Godzilla
what was good about this movie:
>godzilla
what was bad about this movie:
>everything else
when will they learn that a monster movie should be about the monster and not about cringy people? does godzilla minus one focus on godzilla or on people?
Minus One focuses on people but it actually does the work to make the people interesting and not cringey and give our protagonist a deep and personal hatred for Godzilla
Because outside of Pacific Rim, 90% of good monster movies are about the people.
Look at every Godzilla ever made, basically all of them spend most of their time with humans, and only a bit with the monster. Even the best of them. And if anything, the worst of them rely the most on the 'monster action'.
Both are good
Yes, I liked both
Shin was like an episode of Parks and Recreation
-1 was about how trauma is real
Shin focused too much on the social commentary on japanese bureaucracy for normalgays
Shin was better
shinzilla was a snorefest
Minus One seems like pure kaijugay fomo
There's something about kaiju fans I can't stand, like they think their rubber suit trash is high art
Shin was kino tho
>There's something about kaiju fans I can't stand, like they think their rubber suit trash is high art
It is to kaijugays. You either get it or you don't. If nothing else you should be appreciative of the craft involved. I mean consider an OG tokusatsu show. Those gays were conceiving, designing, building(suits and environments) and filming an episode 52 times a year. These days Hollywood losers can't even do 10 episodes a year worth t a shit and there will be like 10% monster time if that.
The craft? You mean rubber suits that look like something pulled out of the bargain bin at Walmart on Halloween? You mean i am supposed to appreciate the "craft" of idiots in costumes knocking over blatantly fake cardboard houses? It looks like shit, I'm not going to give these old puppet films a pass because "craft" went into them - craft went into King Kong (1933) years before any Godzilla flick and that movie holds up like gangbusters, the effects are objectively amazing and leagues beyond what can be accomplished with primitive suitmation. At the same time that Toho was making duds like KotM, Biollante, Destoroyah there were movies like The Thing, Predator, Aliens etc. all of which do not require you to defensively assert their craftmanship because you can tell just by looking at the polished satisfying result that craft went into it. You don't get something that looks like shit BECAUSE craft went into it lmao that isn;t how it works. Japanese movies had low budgets, low imagination and low attention span. They look bad because they were badly made.
nope
>Weak praise for a film much better than his, not just in CGI but in acting, scenario writing and dialogue.
Wrong on all counts, low IQ and filtered
Zoomers make the exact same arguments towards the movies you say you like, seen them say The Thing and Aliens look like the props are from Spirit Halloween.
There are a lot of great Godzilla films, too bad you're a tasteless pleb who'd rather seethe on Cinemaphile than watch kino.
>seen them say The Thing and Aliens look like the props are from Spirit Halloween.
Sauce or didn't happen
And even if it did - do YOU think The Thing and Aliens look AS GOOD as the Godzilla movies which premiered at the same time period?
...didn't think so
I'd say the effects of Biollante are on par with at least Aliens. Definitely better than the CG movies they make nowadays.
The arrogance you have towards something you didn't create, you act as if you made the effects for Alien and The Thing. Show me something you've created before you scoff at the work that goes into these suits.
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Rubber suit kaiju films are more kino than anything coming out nowadays.
Is he insecure about Miyazaki?
More like Miyazaki is insecure about Anno. Even though they're friends, and Anno worked on Nausicaa, Hayao sees Anno as competition.
>insecure
even though he praised him a bunch of time and wants him to direct a live action nausicaa? giving him the lead roll of his final film(at the time) is really insecure, right..
>nausicaa
Frick a live action adaptation.
Before that crusty old fricker dies, Miyazaki should readapt the entire Nausicaa manga. TV series, film series, whatever.
It is genuinely his best work, and one of the best manga ever.
>readapt the entire Nausicaa manga
hes too old, anon. that was the whole point of him wanting anno to redo it(anno also helped made the original). he was always dissatisfied with the anime.
but i rather they wait til he kicks the bucket before they do an adaptation. that would be a good litmus test for if ghibli can survive without him or not.
>wants him to direct a live action nausicaa?
He doesn't though, stop making shit up. Both Anno and Takashi Yamazaki have said doing a live-action Nausicaa is a dream project for them, but Miyazaki is firmly against it. It won't happen until after he passes.
All Anno can do is copy better works and hope no one else has seen them.
Shin Godzilla is Anno's pathetic attempt at trying to emulate Oshii's Patlabor without the subtleties.
I would disagree but your peter seems very assertive
how on earth would you even come up with this idea, the men have completely different styles
>implying he gives a shit about Shin Godzilla
For him it was just a paycheck, yet Godzilla gays insist that it was some kind of personal passion project that he put his heart and soul into. It's a movie about a giant dinosaur FFS.
>insecure
Did he make a statement?
Anyway, I still think Shin is better but Minus One has more universal appeal. In other words, Shin is a movie for weirdos and Minus One is a movie for normies.
you're trying a bit too hard to be seen as a special snowflake, anon.
I don't know what you mean and I am suspicious that your post is AI.
>Shin is a movie for weirdos
It's a Godzilla flick that grossed $78 million dollars. Complete normalgay cinema.
Shin is a movie for the Japanese and Minus One is a movie for Americans. Shin is all about collective government action eventually defeating the monster despite the problems, while Minus One is a lot more individualistic.
>Shin is all about collective government action eventually defeating the monster
I don't know how you formulated this opinion. They defeat the monster by going over the head of the Japanese government, using the prospective US president's connections to buy time, and using a Hail Mary plan concocted by an individual. And that's against a backdrop of "Look how ineffectual the government is."
They don't "go over the head of the Japanese government", unless you're referring to the acting prime minister being out of his depth while the lower ranks including the main character do the real work. Shin is not a story about a heroic prime minister but about collective action to solve a novel problem. The main character's plan relied on a lot of people working together, including the IDF, the Americans providing artillery support, the Japanese private companies manufacturing the chemical, Germany giving access to their super computer, and France using their power in the UN to delay America's proposed nuclear strike.
Americans love individualistic emotional underdog stories.
> Shin is a movie for the Japanese and Minus One is a movie for Americans
No way. Minus One was always planned to have a limited north american release and it is a suprise hit. The film is pure japan post-war navel gazing and commentary and quite on the nose. It has nothing to say about the americans.
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>Did he make a statement?
No. 2014 troons are trying to finally "get" Shin once and for all.
It's funny, and annoying, that every IP/genre that Anno infects has to deal with his annoying rabid midwit fanbase who constantly try to claim that whatever he does is DEEP and THA BEST.
This. Anno is a mediocre creator, he's not terrible and hes not great but some of the shit he makes is pretty entertaining.
But holy frick his fans are the worst.
>dude theres a cross on screen you just dont get this super deep symbolism by the master, anno
He makes enjoyable slop for midwits, just enjoy it and move the frick on.
Nice source
Anno Hideaki
Miyazaki Hayao
My two most hated Japs
I want to see his version of Gamera
Shin was only played for one day is most theaters in the US. Minus One has had two weeks at least. both films mog whatever the legendary Black folk have done.
Sakura Ando was incredible in Minus One, and Shoplifters
How can she be so hot but so good at playing an older lady?
She has old woman eyes.
She'll always be the crazy b***h in Love Exposure to me.
I saw the trailer for Monster in front of Boy and the Heron, she looks incredible in that, too.
Do you have a source for this
>On this day, the black and white version of "Shin Godzilla", "Shin Godzilla Ortho", which was proposed by Mr. Anno and supervised by director Shinji Higuchi and associate director Katsuro Onoue, was screened, and director Yamazaki said, "Ortho, it's scary. "The night scenes are really scary." Mr. Anno said, "It's something completely different, so please look forward to it. It's the last work for Tokyo Photo Studio (which is closing its business).'' He added, "We also made a black and white version of Godzilla -1.0.'' "It's better. You'll make double the money, and since it's set in the Showa era, I think the synchronization rate will be higher," he said. Director Yamazaki and the audience once again got excited when Mr. Anno uttered the words "synchronization rate."
>OMG HE SAID THE WORD!!!! EVAAAAAAAAA
Most obnoxious fanbase
He basically made a joke, and the audience laughed. It's not obnoxious for an audience to acknowledge a guest's statement that was effectively made on their behalf. Find better outlets for your frustration in life.
You're personally offended, I know.
Please tell me someone has a Webm (with sound) of the scene with the two ships scraping each other.
I don't understand why that needed to happen. Couldn't the ships have crisscrossed without getting close?
'Cause it made for a good edge-of-your seat moment. Also these guys haven't sailed in three years.
They planned to cross but ships being ships they ended up getting ing closer than planned.
she really got that grudge look
captcha AAYYY
if you don't think willis o'brien, harryhausen, most godzilla is kino then you don't appreciate film and its history
also anno really comes across like a douche in those quotes
Shin Godzilla was ass just like Evangelion. Anno is a hack.
Did anyone see his Lupin movie before seeing this? Pretty good. Nice fluid animation and cute girls. Why can't hollywood take notes?
>Shin Godzilla
>"Americans will save us!"
>decided to drop the bomb after a few days
I don't get it if americans were shown good or bad guys.
How dumb do you have to be
It is a good movie but it's not even remotely subtle I don;t know how the political commentary could go over your head
>shit was kino and didn't skim on the zilla
You are lying to these people, lying! Godzilla is in the movie for ten minutes at max. Do not listen to this anon he is LYING! The movie is decent but not for that reason, there is about as much zilla as 2014 American reboot, it is focused almost solely on the humans
Well, it is pretty much what would happen in real life. I don't think good guys or bad guys factors into it.
>Godzilla Minus One
Sucks ass, caters to Ameritard slop demographics and is blatant Japanese military propaganda (I haven't seen it)
>Shin Godzilla
A remarkable movie and the only Godzilla film worth watching for actual cinematic and literary value. It was inevitable it would be ditched by Toho in favour of a more palatable monster romp in the vein of the Legendary films or even Tristar's underrated 90s effort. I have seen this film so many times and it never fails to surprise with its richness.
Am going to see minus one this week but have low expectations based on the overwhelming basedface response from normies and redditors and nationalistic Japanese propaganda outlets
just saw minus one today
shit was kino and didn't skim on the zilla. cgi was a bit spotty at parts but was an ambitious movie esp with its period piece setting
How good is visual considering that japanese movies look pretty cheap?
typical in the way that jap movies still have trouble blending cg elements with real footage, but i found it easy to overlook since it's only really used in the action scenes which were choreographed well. also note the amount of WWII ships and tanks involved mean this cg point might be glaring to some
Godzilla itself looks a bit cheap at points, esp during close ups, but i found the chubby waddling zilla charming while also looking like a mean ass fricker.
the human plot line was well shot and acted.
don't act like you didn't grin like a goofy fricker when the classic godzilla theme hit for the first time. i found his presence more than enough and he chomps dudes in the first 5 minutes
>don't act like you didn't grin like a goofy fricker when the classic godzilla theme hit for the first time
Reddit moment that every modern godzilla movie seems contractually obliged to do (2014, KotM, Shin, now Minus). It's literally just Ready Player One tier "hey, remember this other media you consoomed?"
Also I didn't hate the movie or anything but you must be disingenuous when you say there was enough godzilla... he was hardly in it at all, noticeably less than in Shin
i have low standards
There wasn't loads of actual onscreen Godzilla, but they did a great job showing the aftermath of the destruction he caused, both physically with how good the wreckage looked, and mentally, the story was about Godzilla living in the guy's head rent free, like Noriko.
>There wasn't loads of actual onscreen Godzilla
You consider 5-10 minutes "loads"? Seriously you cannot tell me that there was any more than five to ten (at MAX) minutes of zilla screentime. Almost all of the movie is a boring b-tier character drama
I said there wasn't a lot of Godzilla. That being said, they did make it count when he did show up. Incredible how they made it with a $15m budget.
>You consider 5-10 minutes "loads"? Seriously you cannot tell me that there was any more than five to ten (at MAX) minutes of zilla screentime. Almost all of the movie is a boring b-tier character drama
Looking at other "good" Godzilla movies as recommended by Kaijugays on YouTube, Godzilla is on screen a lot but he's just standing around or walking slowly.
In this he's a menace
Shin is the only good Godzilla movie in the last 25 years
POOPWER LOST!
I haven't seen Minus One but they seem like two quite different Godzilla movies. Shin Godzilla was pure kino tho, Anno was at his peak again with that one.
Colour was more subdued in the theatre than in the Japanese teaser
Reading an old Minus One thread, an anon said how the Noriko actress isn't liked by Japanese women.
Reminds me of Anne Hathaway, who has a spell on me, but women I know don't like her, and seems much more popular with men than women.
https://watadoucouple.wordpress.com/2022/06/21/the-differences-between-the-actresses-that-men-like-vs-actresses-that-women-like-as-seen-in-minami-hamabe-in-dr-white/
Interesting. So the reason for the presence of that terrible unlikable actress that was the single worst part of Shin Kamen Rider to the point of almost being able to ruin in single-handedly is that she is popular with men.
t. a woman
I have no idea what you said, but I agree. She brought Shin Kamen Rider down through her acting and presence. She was great in Minus One, however.
That was an interesting look into the minds of drama watchers
It's not news that he lost his edge, just look at the rebuilds.
It's always good news when the shin gay director and his shin homosexual fans bet btfo'd
A toast! To cinema and anime!
can someone explain to me what is up with this incredibly forced minus one rivalry shit that is getting spammed here?
is this just some dude trying to gaslight people into hating the new movie by aping its fans as insufferably as possible?
it's some mentally ill person who injects conflict where there is none