Intelligence is worth nothing if you don't have the connections and the social skills, and that's what was lacking in Good Will Hunting.
Intelligence is worth nothing if you don't have the connections and the social skills, and that's what was lacking in Good Will Hunting.
Intelligence is worth nothing
Fixed it for you
it has severe diminishing returns
I said this before in a 'Good Will Hunting' thread. I come from an abusive household. And never for one second had the thought occurred to me that it was my fault. It's where the movie lost me. These two men are bonding over a shared memory of guilt and rage because their dad beat them up. It's just quackery. Maybe there are people out there who think it's their fault when they get beaten to shit, but that just never worked for me. It's too much of a stretch.
I can't relate to this movie. Although, I'd like to think I'm a genius. At least that part was cool.
It's not your fault.
>And never for one second had the thought occurred to me that it was my fault.
If you are honest, then you are absolute outlier. It is a basic reaction of normal people to someone domineering in their sphere of influence, whether they are an adult or a child.
But if he's an outlier it means his mind is a bit poor in its function
The self-blaming comes from aan attempt at reconciliation that the world is unfair and you are powerless
>child's mind
>Why does bad stuff happen to me? I thought that good things happened to good people?
>I must be bad, otherwise this wouldn't he happening
If that guys being honest, it makes sense he wound up on Cinemaphile, because that means he palated learned helplessness intentionally at a young age.
>life isn't fair no matter what you do
>If that guys being honest, it makes sense he wound up on Cinemaphile, because that means he palated learned helplessness intentionally at a young age.
>>life isn't fair no matter what you do
This is the umpteenth thread about 'Good Will Hunting', but I'll be happy to talk some more about myself.
>he palated learned helplessness intentionally at a young age.
How does that not contradict what I said earlier?
>Life isn't fair no matter what you do
It isn't. This is common knowledge. I disagree with the latter part. It matters what you do. And I've met nice people and I've received good vibes, without wanting to sound like a hippy. But life isn't fair. A genius doesn't concern himself with such trivial matters. A genius is a man on a mission.
I've thought about this, honestly. Maybe it makes me a sociopath. Or just a vain prick. When I got a beating because my parents couldn't cope, to me, it seems I would have a lot more reason to hate my parents than to blame myself. It seems like a more natural reaction to me.
>It seems like a more natural reaction to me
because you're a loon
>It is a basic reaction of normal people to someone domineering in their sphere of influence
And where did you get this from? From the books or looking at a painting? You've never been to the sixteenth chapel so your 'fact' is invalid. You are a turd.
Same. My boomer dad put it on for me. Watched it for me. I wanted to beat him to death when this scene came on.
>ITS YOUR FAULT, BOOMER
>ITS YOUR FAULT ROBIN WILLIAMS
"Fault" implies a baseline understanding of how things are supposed to be.
If this is all you've known your whole life, then you will just accept it as normal. You're not gonna think about right or wrong, or think about it at all, or verbalize it. You also have to consider the social context. Will is early gen X. He grew up at a time before it was decided that all corporal punishment is le bad and abusive.
Nothing wrong with it conceptually but the execution sucks ass. The idea that every breakthrough in therapy is accompanied by a tearful breakdown is pure Hollywood wank.
The writers have to use these cliches and generalizations because they know very little about either being gifted or being abused. That's the main problem with the movie imo. It tries to be super earnest without really saying anything about anything.
Wouldn't being 'intelligent' imply that you have the innate potential to find your way in the world?
Either by finding paterns and trying to be a part of it or bruteforcing your way through?
So how would a blue-collar worker make use of his intelligence to make connections?
If you are blue collar worker you are not intellingent to begin with, but if you set that aside, he can network to create a group of friends and acquaintances in different crafts which can help them promote and profit from projects with the need for diverse skillset.
Go to his synagogue and be given a sinecure job in central banking
By going to Church and worshipping the vague word salad of GODS CHOSEN PIPO
I've been there. Worked as a server when I was just out of college and ended up meeting several people who took a liking to me and gave me opportunities. It just works, you need to be likeable to others to truly make it.
To a degree but coming out of an impoverished environment means you're blinded to opportunities when they present themselves. Will's arc in the movie is overcoming this.
Already with the excuses. Being intelligent, to me, means you can make your way in the world regardless of circumstances. Because you have that special thing. I don't have it, but I respect or can look with awe at people who are born differently. One of the signs of intelligence should also involve 'adaptibility' right? Or staying firm as a rock and the world will bend at your will. It's one of the two. Complaining about 'muh circumstances', means you aren't cut out for it. Granted, there is also a factor of luck.
The cemetary is full of geniuses. In the end, the result counts, if you want to have a stab at eternal life. There is the human side of it, but that is never written about in history books.
You should learn about neurology, endocrinology, and study ethology
NTA but that's a fallacious, evasive non-argument.
You missed the point, moron. Intelligence and wisdom aren't the same thing. Will is intelligent but unwise throughout most of the film and it takes the intervention of someone far less intelligent yet more understanding to help him overcome his personal demons. It's summed up in that speech about Will's ability to sperg about Michaelangelo but having no idea what it's like to experience the Sistine Chapel.
>Intelligence and wisdom aren't the same thing
That's a tough cookie. Basically Robin Williams is telling Matt Damon he doesn't know shit because he hasn't experienced it himself. Then what do we have empathy for? The moment where they bond is because they both had a shared experience. Isn't 'Psychology' and 'Psychiatry' based on empathy?
Basically the movie says, theoretical knowledge is bullshit, empathy is bullshit. You need to have lived it, otherwise you don't know.
So what is the point of these respective fields then?
The movie undermines its own message.
>Basically Robin Williams is telling Matt Damon he doesn't know shit because he hasn't experienced it himself.
No. He's pointing out that Will keeps things at a distance by intellectualizing them as a defence mechanism and that such robs him of experience/wisdom. He can pontificate all he wants but the truth is he's looking for excuses not to shoot his shot.
>Then what do we have empathy for?
How do you miss the point by this much? Autism? Will avoids empathy because he's afraid of getting hurt. This leads to a cycle of avoidance and engaging in immature conflict so that he feels he has control.
>pointless sperg
Imagine getting filtered by Good Will Hunting. The title is a fricking pun lol
Robin Williams tells Will his theoretical knowledge is shit, because he hasn't experienced it himself.
>I can tell you about the sixteenth chapel or my wife farting, but you wouldn't get it because you've only read about it in the books.
Conveniently forgetting that his entire field is based on conjecture and theory. Ironically, the only point where he connects with Will, is when they have a shared real life experience. Proving the point that psychology is a bullshit field. All Will needed was a hug. Do they need studies for that? An entire field and pillery business dedicated to it? it's pseudoscience.
Your first two points I can get. The last one is just you calling me a pointless sperg.
The message of the movie is that boomer breathes dragon chloroform into your mouth so you can settle with not being able to skip grades and happily embracing HAVE SEX, INCEL CHUD as the soteriology.
At least that was better than woman therapist's trauma dump vocal fry holocaust museum TOS EULA soteriology.
Unfortunately given how brazen Will was during the job interview about the workings of the industries the higher ups work for, he cannot claim blindness, but rather wilful (heh) ignorance.
That scene is more representative of autistic tunnel vision toward a one sided view of reality than it is a 1:1 correspondence to reality. It highlights Will hiding behind his intelligence in order to justify his resentment.
finding ~~*patterns*~~ is the easiest way to frick yourself
I know a lot of intelligent people that don't apply themselves. One of my old highschool friends was amazing at coding, he made his own game engine during our off time in computer networking course. I'm an artist so I made a bunch of shitty low res models in milkshape 3d. Anyways, he's still living with his parents, learned japanese on his own so he could help sub anime releases. That's all he does now. He could easily be working at EPIC or something (he was obsessed with real time lighting rendering) but nope.
Connections and social skills is how you utilise intelligence. Denial is a sign of a severe lack of it.
>How do you like them apples?
Intelligent my ass, he was a pseud
Wasn't he working with high level MIT guys 30 minutes into the movie? He had an interview with an alphabet agency desperate to recruit him, how was he not connected?
Will's problem was he was a paper lion and a total fraud, the bar scene is where you're meant to pick up that he's all talk and zero substance
>Will's problem was he was a paper lion and a total fraud
He was an autodidact who mogged a Fields medalist with whom he worked.
Drive/motivation/direction/passion are way better words for what he didn't have. The closest he came to knowing what he wanted was a big pile of shit he didn't want.
>Hollywood's version of great intelligence: knows everything about every subject.
...hmm, it's almost as if they've never met smart people
That's Hollywood writers' relationship with many, many topics.
>depicts some human thing as very, VERY wildly, even "catastrophically" incorrect which is immediately obvious to someone who deals with this thing
>it's almost as if they've never met someone who deals with this thing, despite them being easy to find and consult with irl
even in the film Will admits he knows nothing about art or music.
My boys wicked intelligent
>Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll take a shot. Say I'm workin' at the N.S.A. and somebody puts a code on my desk, somethin' no one else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it, maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. And once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels are hidin'. Fifteen hundred people that I never met, I never had no problem with, get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', 'Oh, send in the Marines to secure the area,' 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number got called 'cause they were out pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie over there takin' shrapnel in the ass. He comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks.
Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so that we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And of course the oil companies used the little skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them but it ain't helpin' my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. They're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, of course, maybe they even took the liberty of hirin' an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and frickin' play slalom with the icebergs. It ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. (1/2)
>So now my buddy's out of work. He can't afford to drive, so he's walkin' to the frickin' job interviews, which sucks because the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorroids. And meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat, the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State.
So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure, frick it, while I'm at it, why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president.
Am I to believe Matt Damon or Benn Affleck wrote this at 27 years of age?
they are both WASPS with above average IQ who attended Harvard. Also nice digits
Affleck's not looking too big brained. Damon seems pretty smart, but not on the level of the character they were writing about. They got an Oscar for the script, but no way did these two meatheads write something like that up themselves at the age of 27. It's not a brilliant rant, but it's impressive.
Correct. I'd argue that social skills and charisma outweigh intelligence in most scenarions
Oh come one. The guy looks like a ponytailed fairy and Matt Damon looks ripped. The movie opens with Matt Damon butchering a guy's face. Social skills, charisma and intelligence have nothing to do with it.
Why are all these people in Porno Gil's living room?
Let’s see the data on intelligence and group fertility.
>is suppose to be a 300+ IQ mega genius
>still a slave to cavemen urges like having a woman
>not only that, he simps for a generic woman and goes to pubs like a sub 80 moron
Most unbelievable part of this movie
Asceticism for big brains is like tight budgets for fat fat pockets
>being intelligent and getting laid
>anon can't relate to either
Intelligent people usually do have good social skills. I have on occasion gone to a few parties and bars in London with successful types. People who can one moment have a very high level conversation with you about anything, with a great vocabulary and understanding, but then also dress very well, have great hair, and seem to know countless people at the party. They're good looking, well liked, have lots of friends and acquaintances, and are extremely skilled, knowledgeable and intelligent. Life isn't fair at all. People who are born with natural high intelligence are usually also good at making friends, and also they're often quite attractive.
I think you've got the order wrong.
High intelligence does not equal being a genius. And being successful does not equal being intelligent either.
Intelligence is actionable. The reddlt "talented but unmotivated" cliche is just self-delusion/cope. Sociability is important as needed, that is, not in itself, but it does occasionally play a part in achieving your goals.
Was he right?
No
>Zinn described himself as "something of an anarchist, something of a socialist. Maybe a democratic socialist."[4][5] He suggested looking at socialism in its full historical context as a popular, positive idea that got a bad name from its association with Soviet Communism.
Name dropping historians is the surest sign of a midwit.
>not a single argument presented
Howard Zinn is for midwit liberals who think they're smart
I'm a socialist libtard but I'd never recommend anyone read Zinn. Plus I'm a contrarian and he's really popular now.
You really want to knock your socks off? Read this book by a brain dead partisan liberal, that'll do it
With connections you don't even need intelligence. Sad but true.
Intelligence is more than IQ or knowing concepts from highly regarded novels.
We gauge the intelligence of life forms by how well they're able to adapt to and thrive in challenging conditions.
If you are very knowledgeable and can quickly figure your way through complicated ideas and tasks, yet are socially hopeless and never capitalize on your cognitive abilities, you are simply not intelligent. If you need constant care and help from other people to survive (like Stephen Hawking did), you are not intelligent.
>If you need constant care and help from other people to survive (like Stephen Hawking did), you are not intelligent.
You can use words however you like but that is not how normal people use words. You also need constant care and help from other people to survive. We call that "commerce".