Am I the only one that thought this was good but wasn’t the groundbreaking phenomenon that people made it out to be? I enjoyed it, don’t misconstrued that but at the same time I thought it wasn’t doing anything really all that special. I enjoyed Omni man’s betrayal, Levy multiverse shenanigans and whatnot but at the same time I thought excluding the gore on display was just another comic run. Also, Kirkman the author I’ve heard has done some shady hit to his business partners and also his weird obsession with putting other superhero’s down like superman I thought was just petty.
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Kirkman is just one of the few people in the industry with the cachet to sell a straight up superhero comic without getting involved with Marvel/DC. It was memorable mostly because of that and being a brand-new superhero IP that also told a self-contained story with a beginning, middle and end. It's a bit jarring when you reach the afterword by Neil Gaiman in the first TPB where he's going like "finally, a new, fun and lighthearted superhero comic" when the Viltrumite twist overtook so much of the discussion about it for years that people convinced themselves that it was some sort of Watchmen examination of the genre rather than just a regular comic that had a memorable plot twist in it
>Watchmen examination of the genre
It IS an examination of the genre, it just isn't a cynical one.
I mean. It has some moments like Mark's conflict about whether superheroics is a good use of his powers and those few issues where the universe gets reset because Kirkman wanted to do commentary about New 52, but that's not really anything that Spider-Man hadn't been doing decades prior. It's not the main aim of the comic, which by large is action-driven plots about Mark stopping alien invasions and things
>it's basically Fifty Shades of Grey but with superheroes
Anon Fifty Shades of Grey is a very specific thing I don't remember Invincible licking ice cream off Atom Eve's coochie
Also I hope that animated Watchem movie got cancelled. Stop adapting it. Unless you make it fit for animation that is.
>with the cachet
How are you able to breath with how deep you have his wiener down your throat?
>with the serial numbers filed off
Yep
>Invincible licking ice cream off Atom Eve's coochie
Because instead of being "tagged" on a fanfic site for explicit sexual content it would have been for gore and violence. That's all they 'added' to the stories and ideas they ripped off.
Just because he was YOUNG when he stupidly ripped something off, doesn't stop him from being called a HACK once he's fat and old and SHOULD KNOW BETTER that he's still pulling this off.
Invincible had no real cachet on the name and title. If he was so talented he could have sold Bezos on some new and original IP, now that he's more mature and more 'talented.' He didn't because he's a hack who can NOT do any better today.
fpbp, couldn't have said it better
Invincible is to superheroes is what TWD is to zombies - a straight up story without any weird fricking 'twists on the formula' or cynicism which feels heavily inspired by 'Golden Age' SF with tons of wacky concepts played out logically
But anon... both of those series are well-known specifically for their twists on their respective formulas...
its ok. kids obess over the twist and gore too much. Not really that new for anyone past 20 at teh time, but I guess it was a first for a lot of kids
Name another animated western action show with gore that isn't a comedy
He's talking about the comic, moron.
It's edgelord fanfiction with the serial numbers filed off. it's basically Fifty Shades of Grey but with superheroes. Cape fans have no standards.
Oh blow me, you know it's true. Invincible is just a dark and violent Superboy fanfic written by an old hack.
>Anon Fifty Shades of Grey is a very specific thing I don't remember Invincible licking ice cream off Atom Eve's coochie
That's because American culture(my culture) is extremely fricking weird about what's acceptable to show in media. Oceans of blood, piles of gore, and horrific nightmarish violence is perfectly find. Sex is absolutely off limits.
>written by an old hack.
Kirkman was like 22 when he started putting out Invincible, you clueless moron. It was her first comic series, other than a short limited series.
*his
Now at least you'll have something to reply over and think that it is funny.
Technically it was, but Kirkman got very famous very quickly while still early into Invincible, from TWD
Regardless, it's not the work of an "old hack" by any measure.
>first comic series was blatant plagiarism
You realize that's not something to be proud of, right?
Oh right, I keep forgetting that Kirkman is also the moron who made zombie spam popular again. God that shit just will not frick off.
Who let this child from Cinemaphile into Cinemaphile?
>"You MUST be a child if you recognize muh heckin kino caperino as derivative trash!"
You're actually an idiot.
That goes for you too. I have my own criticisms of the show, but your "it's shit" is tiresome.
He's right though, it is derivative. It's a superhero story written for people who get their knowledge about superheroes from movies and tv shows and think Kill Bill had something meaningful to say about Superman.
>It's a superhero story written for people who get their knowledge about superheroes from movies and tv shows
The cartoon series, like the comic, is nothing but callbacks to old Silver and Bronze age comics.
I challenge you to name 3 things about it that's a reference to superhero movies.
>callbacks
Guess plebs have moved on from calling rip-offs "homages" and started calling them "callbacks" instead.
>callbacks
Oh here we go. The old "homage" cope. No, it's plagiarism, period.
Stop using words you don't understand.
You know what's actually tiresome? The way you keep desperately dodging the fact that Invincible is a knockoff. Or is that one of your own alleged criticisms of the show?
It's Kirkman's take on Superboy, imbued with Parker Luck. It doesn't disguise that it's a take on the comics he enjoyed growing up.
And that doesn't excuse the fact it's a fricking rip-off.
>no argument
>Sex is absolutely off limits.
You really believe that other countries show off sex in their media all the time?
>You really believe that other countries show off sex in their media all the time?
He may be thinking of the french or god forbid actually be french.
I thought Invincible was Diesel brand DBZ but with 2000s edgy capeshit
Invincible definitely has DBZ inspirations (MC discovers they're from a race of space super heros, visiting and fighting on different planets, etc.) among other inspirations, but it's not a direct copy of plotlines like Diesel was.
Americans literally have porn on cable. I remember being in a hotel as a kid, and my parents passed by multiple channels streaming hardcore pornography when channel surfing.
This thread is about Invincible, not The Boys
Same shit, different name. It's all edgelord capeshit at the end of the day.
I prefered the spinoffs a bit more. Also it got kinda self indulgent with the violence.
>groundbreaking
The only people who think Invincible is groundbreaking are people who don't read comics. To them, Kirkman's take on capes is new and fresh. To us, it's old hat and boring.
>to us, it's boring
Unless you are Full Schizo, you only speak for yourself. Extreme violence isn't new to comics, but it's pretty new to comics that take themselves earnestly, rather than being cynical take-downs or silly edginess.
You're easily impressed.
You just hate popular things out of pure contrarianism and a lust for (You)s.
You talk like a teenager.
You shitpost like someone who's actually too young to be here, but what can we do?
Correction, you talk like a moody, thin-skinned teenager.
Stop projecting at me, you are the one parked in this thread to whine and b***h at everything and everyone. You CAN go frick off to a topic more your liking.
>everything and everyone
Teenage ego too. You ain't the world, kid.
You've had your whine at the show, comic and all the rest, you can move on little guy.
Keep it fresh for the next Invincible thread.
You two should kiss.
"'"popular"" lol
Let me guess. You also thought the owl house or amphibia were popular.
I've never even seen those shows. Did you child-post in those threads too?
It's interesting because while Invincible is more mainstream and had a bit of an impact on pop culture, I see Amphibia and Owl House getting more online engagement with fanart and fics.
>Extreme violence isn't new to comics, but it's pretty new to comics that take themselves earnestly, rather than being cynical take-downs or silly edginess.
That's not even remotely true. Even if you're sticking to huge hits.
How is the animation of the show and would you guys recommend the comic book or watching season 1? I'm mainly interested in just catching up with the big Omni man cultural phenomenon.
The show is the sole reason omni-man is a meme, animation fluctuates though
The Show excises a ton of the juvenile stuff from Kirkman's freshman effort, and puts a lot of new good writing into the secondary characters, which elevates the story of the main characters.
I have a fondness for the comic, warts and all, but the animated version is unquestionably superior.
Animation kinda sucks, also, the pacing is really fricking boring because, for some moronic reason, they felt the need to make the episodes 50 minutes long
Most people away from Cinemaphile like a show that actually takes the time to get the details right.
As series animation goes, it's roughly average, pretty much what you expect from an animated series that isn't cheapskating it.
The show is wierd.
The writing is mostly all around better, but the animation looks so goddamn cheap sometimes; worst offender being s1 finale post fight.
I also hate that it has this wierd piss yellow-grey filter over a lot of the talking scenes.
Besides that, its pretty good. I like it more than the boys show, which feels like a souless cashgrab of the original comic.
Post "spoilers"
I don't have the pic on me but Best Tiger is confirmed to be making an appearance in the Invincible War and I couldn't be happier about it
I thought they had Brit voice-cast as well?
The hero who's actually
(me)
found it
Where did you get this?
Someone leaked a drive link containing a shit ton of character sheets for season 3 in a shrinking rae thread a couple of weeks back
You have any more? Couldn't find the original thread
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/142723429/#q142734192
Here ya go bro, just scroll down and you'll see most of the leaked sheets (except for the one with Best Tiger, no idea how that one was found)
Seems like they're expanding on Invincible War by fleshing out the global destruction with more characters and deaths, pretty neat. Also it only being for the seventh episode gives me hope that Conquest is the season finale.
That sheet you originally replied to is exactly for the aftermath of the Conquest fight so yeah, right now we can only hope they put all of their effort into making that look as good as possible
it's groundbreaking in the sense that most cartoons don't have that much blood
Mean 🙁
I think it started off neat then just got worse as it went on with time skips and forced as frick drama.
The ending was fricking awful and unearned and I don't know why so many people jerk it off
At least somebody agrees with me on that. I though I was going insane thinking it was meh.
It's infuriating. Mark consistently makes the wrong decisions and his morals are all over the place, but then everything just works out for him anyway and he gets literally everything he wanted
>Becomes emperor of the Viltrumites
>Gets to enforce his will on every planet he comes across, but he's he good guy so it's ok
>Forcefully dismantles the government that Allen works for
>Puts Immortal in charge of Earth even though he knows for a fact that goes terribly
>The story completely skims over his mother's death because we can't have a single sad scene in the ending
>Oh and Eve's powers make her functionally immortal even when she's dying peacefully of old age
>All so Mark can make a reference to the "what will you have after 500 years" line
He wanted a living little brother and Dad tho.
That reminds me, shouldn’t Mark’s foray into the future where Immortal is king have happened in the show by now? I don’t remember when it happens.
That's after he gets the blue suit, it'll probably be like a mid-season finale or something
The show is fricking around with the order of events. Last episode ended with a mummy tease that people said won't be finished until season 20 and I haven't seen the fricker in the comics yet having finished the second compendium.
The mummy is a show original character, I think he's just meant to be a running gag like the Kool Aid guy in Family Guy. I mean there's a model sheet of him in the Invincible S3 leaks.
It's easy to get mixed up because they keep moving other shit way up in the timeline, so everything feels weird and out of whack.
I like the open end even if its just a schlockier version of DBZ's ending. I will say after Thragg was defeated for the first time, it started spinning its wheels. Robot going full tyrant over getting cucked was kinda funny but that also became tedious.
Is it really an open ending? It's pretty much a textbook "and they lived happily ever after" type of thing. My issue is that Mark doesn't deserve that type of ending, doubly so considering how it was handled
People would have rioted if Mark got anything less than happily ever after. I agree he doesn't deserve it. I honestly expected him to become his father.
It only infuriates me because Mark doesn't learn anything. His morals don't improve, if anything they degrade. He literally falls upwards throughout his entire life until he becomes emperor and can just enforce his will on everyone and this is treated like a good thing
Yeah "the power of friendship :3" was a bit fricking overplayed. For a series that was founded on subverting expectations the ending was super predictable and played out.
>you're a meanie head so your army is defecting to my side for no reason! friendship! tee hee!!!
>look, my enemy robot is giving me a power up just so i can kill you! friendship! love! teeheee!!!!!!
oh BROTHER this guy STINKS
What do you mean? He learns that fascist space empires are le good actually, as long as you are nice when you show up to new planets to demonstrate that you could kill everyone there within 5 minutes if they decide not to join you.
Ah but he referenced the epic 500 years line I saw in the meme! That was so freaking epic
It’s certainly not perfect. The first season of the show significantly improved the beginning, but like you said, the ending of the comic is straight ass and the latter half turns into misery porn and Mark being moronic on purpose.
The very middle bits where more Viltrumites start getting involved in the story were the best IMO. Season 3 will probably be the peak of the tv show and then it’ll fall off from there.
Oh god fricking have a nice day, this a facebook tier post. "i'm the only special snowflake that didn't like this [popular thing] the way other people do?". why you make posts like this? Need for validation?
It's baby's first deconstruction.
>"deconstruction"
>boils down to "tons of blood, sex, and everyone's an butthole"
Every single time.
>baby's first
Seems like every deconstruction is baby's first.
If you skim-read, sure.
Its not as mindlessly cynical as the rest of the deconstructions so I'm kinda okay with it. Kirkman needs to stop using his NTR fetish for drama though. Robot is a fricking shit final boss, and Thragg had way too much plot armor.
>Kirkman needs to stop using his NTR fetish for drama though
People cheat, or find new partners when their current on disappears and appears to be dead for 5 years anon.
>Robot is a fricking shit final boss
Nah, he's great. Classic hero to villain arc, and "spent 500 years at war and rebuilding a society, slowly becoming a dictator as a means to an end" is a way better reason for it than "their gf died xd" like in so many comics. That, and him being smart, cold and calculating is the opposite to Invincibles Brawn. It's like Lex to Superman, but Lex is arguably the good guy.
>Thragg had way too much plot armor.
Agreed. Nolan only really let him go so he could turn in to a Big Bad for the obligatory Final Showdown. Worst arc of the series honestly, soured the ending for me.
It's never brought up in the comic, and knowing Kirkman, he's the sort of guy that'd make it up just to cause pointless internet nerd arguments over it for his own keks.
I wouldn't say it is. It's a subversion of expectations for sure, about it though.
>Kirkman needs to stop using his NTR fetish for drama though
was that in the walking dead comics too or was that show exclusive?
No idea, I didn't read or watch TWD because I'm not a homosexual
Does Invincible even count as a deconstruction? I know a lot of people were saying that when season 1 of the cartoon came out because all people got out of it was "evil Superman" but the comic basically plays it straight
Eh. I read it like 5 years ago from start to end. I remember very little of it now, so I wouldn't call it memorable.
In my opinion, unless you jerk off to gore, the comic isn't anything that stands out. On the other hand, if you like have watched all Saw movies or something like that, then sure. Take your dick out and start reading. There's all kinds of gore every couple pages in this.
GORE GOOD!
SEX BAD!
It was cooler when it came out
allen is best alien prove me wrong
>releases scourge virus on earth
Wasn't that ultimately Oliver's frick up?
To be fair he was going to pull out at the end if it wasn't for Oliver
he was potentially killing billions to save trillions
He's voiced by Seth Rogan
As much as I hate that fat moron, that's one of the few casting choices that actually works in the show.
Most of the show's casting is on point despite them all being celebrities. When I reread the comic, their voices from the show just automatically filled in.
i fricking hate Ben Scwartz and wish I could watch him slowly die his voice fricking sucks and the more i hear/see him in things the more i feel like his role in Parks & Rec wasn't an act
Honestly disagree pretty strongly, most of the voice cast are good voice actors, but a ton of them are completely miscast, or they end up just being entirely mediocre because of the direction they're getting where everyone is constantly b***hing at each other and trying to sound dramatically upset all the fricking time.
Seth Rogan as an actor/artist is really talented. I just don't like Seth Rogan the person.
>Seth Rogan
>talented actor
>his most notable roles are "haha brooooo weed god i wish i was snoop lion"
if you are going to moronpost please be funnier
He was great in Jobs where he played a completely serious character.
due to as i mentioned before that his everyday personality is that he wishes he was as cool as Snoop for making an on camera life out of being addicted to weed, i strongly disagree
Forces planets to remain in the coalition without good cause
I dont think its anything special, it was neat at first, but after Mark and Eve left earth it totally lost me, it just became a full sci fi thing and went into weird direction by the end. I liked it when it was a super hero comic and like it stops being one after awhile
It's a solid read, which is frankly fairly rare. So, in that sense, it stood out. But it is not an amazing piece of art. Cinemaphile can't process regular comics, except to say that this or that is too woke/racist/whatever.
it's refreshing compared to standard aka big 2 capeshit. The setting and characters were good enough, stuff happens and usually sticks, there are compelling twists, characters grow and change, etc. It's definitely not perfect and has a bunch of dumb melodrama or weak plot points but it's fine overall. The ultimate line was popular for similar reasons
In general people love capeshit as a concept. You just need to give them something to dive into that's interesting enough and doesn't feel spiteful or like a waste of time
It's very much a product of it's time. Kirkman liked referencing contemporary comics trends, so what readers got back then probably isn't as obvious to people who are reading it now. Also, Kirkman was like 22 or 23 when the series started and his immaturity is pretty obvious in places.
I liked it, but there are things that did not age well.
I enjoyed it but I was more curious on what it can potentially influence
So far, I'm disappointed
In what sense? If influence in the sense that a bunch of other comics get the same animation adaptation treatment that Invincible had then there's a shitton of potential franchises in the making.
Yeah but Chew getting an animated series in development only for WB to kill it two-three years ago killed my optimism hard
Season 2 was a big letdown.
S2 was always going to be weaker, it's S3 that everyone whose read the comic are anticipating.
There is this wierd section were nothing really happens and its only relationship drama. Like a female equivalent of rape namec. Otherwise otherwise viltrumites are the cooles idea ever and its sad we dont get more of it.
Viltrumites are just saiyans and kryptonians mixed together.
Yeah and thats fricking metal
"Smart Atoms" are the dumbest bullshit about this comic.
That was just written for the data file book. It was never actually brought up in the comic itself. You may as well just view it as speculation
Its Kirkman's way of explaining why his dumb OCs are so durable and why Atom Eve is relegated to being the Dragon Balls.
I'm reading the spin-off compendium now and it's distracting how cheap the paper is compared to the main books.
I just thought it was fun, it's a superhero story in a universe that's already used to this sort of thing, so life changing events would happen and the cast would almost shrug them off (though large scale death or named character deaths would still be taken seriously). This went away as time went on, but it was still a highlight for me.
The goofiness or comedy in the comic was also pretty good, the show rarely captured it.
I'm just tired of capeshit. We need another superhero parody like the Tick or Venture Bros rather than Harley Quinn.
Not happening unfortunately. The Amazon Tick reboot was one of the few good things they made and that got shitcanned.
>Season 1- blood splatter
>Season 2- cracks leading to black and blue suit
What will season three's title card evolution be? Blood splatter again? Burns to reveal one of the evil Invincible's outfits? Or it becoming darker until it becomes space to lead into the Viltrumite War in season four?
Grey and white as a way to build up to HIS entrance
will they have the balls though? or will he be neutered.
They made the Debbie abuse during the Angstrom fight a lot more brutal than in the comic, he'll be fine, if anything the main concern should be less about the violence and moreso about how it's gonna look
I enjoyed the special more than anything.
The animation was surprisingly way better there than in season two.
Why is it surprising? I guarantee you the reason season 2's animation looked so cheap and shitty even compared to season 1 is because they blew all their time/money on the special like morons.
Eve's one of a few characters who should never lose a fight, but still does because the script demands it.
That's true but I like her anyway
Reality benders are sometimes cringe but Eve is very grounded despite having awesome powers. She's such a nerd about it too.
These were all made by a Cinemaphile chad
Reposting here
Why is she so cute?
>can't affect organic matter
>able to turn a club sandwich into a burger
God I hate capeshit. Where's the consistency? And people have the gall to defend this derivative trash.
it's not organic matter she has a block against, it's living creatures
That's stupid. What does it matter if it's alive or not? It's still organic matter. What, is Eve's mental block just that she's one of -those- people? The act that no-kill rule characters exist in this fricking series of all things is just asinine.
It's a specific mental block that was implanted by the people who made her you moron. They put a limit on her powers to prevent her from doing horrific shit to people, that's why she's able to bypass it as a survival reflex when she's about to die, because there is no ACTUAL limit on her powers, it's all in her head.
And she's known about this since she was a kid. The frick is stopping her from trying to remove said mental block? What is she just a frickin' coward? Pathetic.
God do you ever get tired of arguing about this shit? Every fricking thread with you, get a fricking life.
I'll take that as a yes. Real cool secondary protag there, Kirkman.
her power is op but she's limited by her mind. She gets folded by any speedster or simply by not thinking quick enough
She shouldn't be limited by her mind unless she's low functioning autistic or something like that. That's not an insult, by the way. I literally mean she'd have to be crippled by hyperfixation or something that gets in the way of realizing "wait, I can do literally anything, so I will".
she can see individual molecules
that probably does something to a motherfricker
Her limitations aren't really well defined, in the show at least. I wished they leaned more into the idea that it's exhausting.
>S2 was always going to be weaker,
Nah, Nolan/Mark vs viltrumites, Allen's power up, Anissa shows up, Levy, it has strong things to work with. Just overall it's worse, worse action, worse pacing, even the voice work feels worse. Some of the lines sound like they had to record without any context, or they only used the first take.
Anissa showing up and Levy's motives were definitely improved in the show, the former becuase it actually tied into the story at that point instead of just being out of nowhere while in the latter you could better understand why Levy had such a hateboner for Mark plus it foreshadows Invincible War.
>the show did it better because I'm a braindead monkey who needs to be spoonfed explanations for everything
Show Anissa is a fricking joke, her intro felt like nothing.
In the comic, Anissa is randomnly introduced while Mark is with his mom then she attempts to be likable just to show that some Viltrumites could reasonable I guess.
In the show, Anissa makes her entrance by suddenly appearing and threatening Amber. Her fight is extended so Mark actually has a harder time against her and nearly dies (yet Mark still stands his ground) to remind that viewers that the Viltrumites are still a looming threat.
That's better than the comic.
>because I'm a braindead monkey who needs to be spoonfed explanations for everything
It's the opposite. In the comic, characters will usually only give one throwaway line and leaves it at that like Angstrom saying "Oh sorry I kept trying to kill the whole time Mark, it's just that I got confused because there are so many evil versions of you out there" and he only says it near the very end of his story. In the show, we actually see how there are so many evil Invincibles in the multiverse and that's before Invincible War. That's actually showing, not telling.
>It's the opposite
>goes on to describe a situation where he couldn't pick up on things from context until it was explicitly stated in the comic, but says the show is better because it explicitly showed everything up front
The subtext was there in the comic, you're just a speedreader or moronic, probably both
The comic is full of retcons, so don't think that Kirkman always plots everything in advance. Even the Vitrumite thing is poorly explained
>Nah, Nolan/Mark vs viltrumites, Allen's power up, Anissa shows up, Levy, it has strong things to work with. Just overall it's worse, worse action, worse pacing, even the voice work feels worse. Some of the lines sound like they had to record without any context, or they only used the first take.
Strong moments but it still won't match up to the tension and drama of the Omni-Man storyline in season one, which S2 couldn't match because Levy isn't exactly the kind of villain that can tie all the storylines in the season together like Nolan did.
why this shit looks better than the main show? it gives me and 00s cartoon vibe somehow
see
They put out the special that has some pretty decent animation and fight sequences, then put out half of a mediocre season with tons of corners cut on the animation, took a break for several months, then shat out the rest of the season looking even rougher than the first half. They very obviously fricked their production schedule and resources up by focusing on the special, and that translated to the second season being a mess.
The comic isn't groundbreaking at all. The art is great and what carries it; the writing is fricking trash.
>What if le superman was le evil
It was more like
>What if General Zod was Superman?
> ...and his kid was The Great Saiyaman but gets PTSD
It's great for people who don't read comics OPM season 2 was bad despite the bad pacing
Better*
I read it all last year and it's fine, but it really gets bogged down by melodrama that is only exacerbated by the increasingly exaggerated facial expressions. I understand that the point of the story is to show Mark's growth as a character and whether he ultimately becomes a conqueror rather than the ideal hero. You can see fairly early on that there's a growing idea of being more than just reactive to events, about being proactive and stopping them before they have a chance to start. There's also the battle over being purely logical and the flaws of having a single ruling party.
But characters act completely moronic to advance the story. Mark will suddenly have an extreme temper that's attributed to being a Viltrumite, but it either comes off completely irrational (usually like everyone else in the scene) or entirely justified like when he seemingly kills Angstrom.
In the rape chapter, the worst character is Eve, not Anissa. Hell, the rape is probably the most natural behavior in the chapter itself. You have a native Viltrumite woman ordered to reproduce, Viltrumites value strength, Anissa knows Mark and his strength, this is apparently something that has historical and cultural presence on Viltrum, etc. You can hate the act but it fits the world that has been established, and it's not as bad as the constant gorefests and disembowelments and slaughters of countless innocents. Eve on the other hand is ignoring everything Mark says, yelling at him to get out of his own house, and having melodramatic episode when Mark is trying to tell her they're in mortal danger. Keep in mind this is after her whole "Amber can't understand you having to be absent due to superhero duties like I, a fellow superhero can" bullshit. And later she's totally fine, and says it was just because he proactively went after Angstrom (who while now seeing common sense, has historically been a massive unpredictable and uncontainable danger that can strike anywhere and anytime).
>Eve on the other hand is ignoring everything Mark says, yelling at him to get out of his own house, and having melodramatic episode when Mark is trying to tell her they're in mortal danger.
To be fair to Eve, from her perspective he just randomnly disappeared for like three months. When she does find out that Mark got raped, she actually treats it seriously and constantly stands up to Anissa for him.
The thing is the character had to act unnaturally melodramatic in the moment to facilitate the plot. Mark knows that Robot is about to do some super shady shit after stranding him in another universe and murdering a group of people, revealing that he had been lying about his time with the Flaxans and that he agreed with Dinosaurus on principle and the only thing he didn't like about it was that it interfered with his own plans. Yes, Mark and Eve had a fight right before the mission and it led to Mark disappearing for 5 months. But Eve straight up says that Robot says that Mark had been killed. Robot returned and lied to everyone and she knows it. But she doesn't care. She needs to scream and blame Mark and kick him out. They need to have the scene where Mark confronts Robot around Eve, but it's 5 months later, and the odds of Mark popping in at exactly the time Robot comes to off Eve is not going to happen, so we need to get Mark away from Eve without delivering the warning, so they use the tried and true melodrama. The stuff with the rape, from the event itself to Mark's and Eve's reactions to Anissa's later regret, the consequences, Nolan's rationalization, it's actually all done surprisingly well, but in the west, people get triggered at the very mention of the idea, while it's much more acceptable to watch millions die brutal gorey deaths and brains splatter.
But this is besides the point. I'm mostly complaining about Invincible's crutch of relying on melodrama and high emotion to avoid communication and advance to different stages of the plot, and then treats it like none of it ever mattered. Like what the hell was even going on with Mark and Cecil for most of the story?
Anybody have a link to the story time archive or whatever? I want to read the comic but I don’t have a pc atm and the “read free comic” bs just gives me ads and faux viruses
https://desuarchive.org/co/search/subject/invincible%20storytime/username/Storyman/
Thanks man appreciate ya
>groundbreaking phenomenon
Who have you been talking to
The biggest thing it did well IMHO is the mundanity of super hero life and status quo changes - comiting to them fully and exploring them well. I guess show only gays haven't really got any of the big shake ups outside of Nolans betrayal yet though. The shows gonna get real fricking interesting once Robot and MG go in to and then return from the Flaxan dimension.
Other comics have done big status quo changes, but they'd never be as intense, or they backtrack on it because 45 yearold nerds cry "nooo batman would never!!!!" online or the series is only a 20~ issue thing and then its done for good.
The comic was less WOAH GORE than the show though. They definitely amped up the violence for the show only zoomies, the eye going in Nolan vs Immortal and train sequence in Nolan vs Mark were new for the show. Pic rel is Nolan killing the guardians, much less in your face GORE, ZNolans not all exhausted, etc.
>The biggest thing it did well IMHO is the mundanity of super hero life and status quo changes - comiting to them fully and exploring them well. I guess show only gays haven't really got any of the big shake ups outside of Nolans betrayal yet though.
This is the entire problem with the show, like you said what the comic did well was portraying what daily life as a superhero in this comic universe that's so cookie-cutter to the point of dipping into parody at times and poking fun at all the tropes while also still taking itself seriously enough to have an overarching storyline with stakes. In the show they've just cut out basically 100% of the actual superhero stuff, they can't use a bunch of the recognizable characters who made the side stuff fun because of rights issues, we skip right from main plot point to main plot point so fast that there's no time to get any sense for what life is actually like on this version of earth, and most of the lighthearted character interactions that let us get a feel for everyone's personalities and dynamics have either been cut for plot reasons or because everyone has to be mad at each other so the VAs have an excuse to say FRICK every 3 seconds.
every time it doesn't end it become more stupid, this happens until it's a incoherent mess
I have never heard anyone make Invincible out to be a groundbreaking phenomenon. Are you sure? A lot of people enjoyed the season 1, episode 1 twist, are you possibly thinking of them?
So they're replacing Spawn with Haley Joel Osment in Invincible War
They don't have access to other Image IPs? I hope we don't get knocks of Brit and Tech Jacket...
Brit is on the model sheet right there, Techjacket could still appear but part of me wonders if he's instead going to be replaced with Robot.
>somehow missed him on the right
Yeah, I'm something of a moron myself.
>Techjacket could still appear but part of me wonders if he's instead going to be replaced with Robot.
Possible. They've been very liberal with moving, removing and truncating plot lines so far... And they've been giving Robot much more screen time and accelerating his plotline forward. Would make sense with how they've been making him more prominent.
I'm aware they're creator owned and the shared universe stuff. I figured the other rights holders would jump at the opportunity to get their OCs on the small screen in front of a bunch of a new audience of zoomshits. Especially Mcfarlane.
The thing is that even for a cameo, they'd have to sell the licensing rights to Amazon and they'd rather auction for themselves in case someone could offer a better deal
It's a massive, careless action to do all that for what amounts to a minute cameo at most when they'll probably just sit on said rights until it expires
None of them are gonna sign over the TV rights to their characters to Bezos just to get a cameo in someone else's show that won't translate into any kind of financial gain for them.
McFarlane is currently working on a new Spawn movie so he has even less reason than any of the others to care about trying to shoehorn his IP into someone else's show, especially considering that Spawn is pretty much the only one of the big Image characters that still has brand recognition among the general public at this point.
who gives a frick about spawn, honestly. lmao
Normies, to an extent.
Ask 10 normies on the street if they've ever heard of Savage Dragon or Youngblood and you're probably not going to find a single person who knows what you're talking about. Ask 10 normies if they've heard of Spawn and they probably won't be able to tell you shit about his, but you're probably going to get at least a couple who know he's a comic character, and some of them would definitely recognize a picture of him.
I'm not a comicchad, I know spawn because I saw a movie with him in it in 1997. He seemed like a cool guy.
I don't recognise any of the other non-Invincible character names in this thread.
Exactly, Spawn is one of those figures who has embedded himself into pop culture in a way that's honestly hugely disproportionate to how popular he ever was in the source material he came from. He got parodied in shit like the powerpuff girls, he had a movie that people remember despite it being trash, he got an animated series on HBO back in the day, etc.
It probably helps a lot that McFarlane built up his toy company into such a big thing, because he loves to make Spawn figures and shit.
Robot fighting in the viltrumite war is overall better for the series imo.
Lays better ground for his friendship with Nolan, he can have a back and forth with some vilttrymites that lays the ground for his acceptance of them and earth can get fricked up while he's away which will give more motivation to his takeover
>Techjacket could still appear but part of me wonders if he's instead going to be replaced with Robot.
I mean, it could kind of work if it was a bunch of drones assaulting that Invincible (although that'd also mean moving the fight to literally any other place but space), but then who would they replace him with for the Viltrumite War? I know he's also not a super vital character in that arc but he's not useless either, they'll have to shove him in sooner or later, and they most likely will if Brit is anything to go by.
>but then who would they replace him with for the Viltrumite War?
Robot obviously
Would that really work, though? Evil Marks are one thing, but I doubt that little frequency mcguffin would be enough to make him hold his weight against full-blooded viltrumites, although I do agree it'd make his alliance with Nolan later on make a bit more sense
Actually wait I just remembered the frequency mcguffin is ineffective in space, now I'm even more lost as to how Robot would make for a good stand-in
Depending in how they move the timeline around, it'd potentially beafter he returns from the Flaxan campaign but before Cecil makes him the voice in everyones ear. He'd have his powerup but still have time on his hands. Also IIRC Tech mostly used the poison stuff that weakens Viltrumites.
Also Tech Jacket did barely anything in the viltrumite war lol lmao
Viltrumites in the show are already nerfed to frick, they'll just handwave it as "he built a better suit now he can punch them harder". Nolan almost got killed by the OG Guardians for frick's sake.
robot has always been a story of a machine learning to be human thats been seen a thousand times before.
if anything it would probably be better if robot just didnt turn evil.
not making him go though the portal would remove the worst part of the whole series - mark, eve, and terra move to thraxa
it was never in robot's character to want to rule the world until he went to the flaxen world which butchered his character so they could have the whole "hes evil now" plot line
> but then who would they replace him with for the Viltrumite War?
Robot again. Tech Jacket only really existed to be phoned up and asked to tag along to big fights, and his power set is very similar to Robots. Having Robot there for more character development would make sense.
All Image characters are creator owned so it'd be legal hassle to get them in. Their shared universe works differently from the big two's. Basically everyone has their own universe and crossovers are overlapping events but they can otherwise ignore each other.
Picture if DC had all the Gotham and Metropolis stuff in their own bubbles. Yeah, Batman and Superman still could team up but Batman's Superman and Superman's Batman aren't 100% the same guy.
That make any sense?
>Image IPs
That's not how Image works JFC
The Invincible War cameos are honestly overhyped
Spawn was literally in a single panel
Spawn and other Image heroes showed up at other points outside of the Invincible War though, they were mostly around just to show that there were other heroes running around in the world, but it was fun to see either way. The fact that in the show we've only seen like... 12 total heroes feels so fricking off considering it was clear right from the early issues of the comic that this world had so many various heroes running around doing whatever that it was just a normal tuesday when aliens invaded and everyone had to show up to fight them or the Chronodile or whatever.
He'll yes, Astounding Wolf Man! I liked Gary despite how boring he was.
I watched a number of reactions to episode 8, and its hilarious how about 99% of them got confused by the mummy scene and that mark saved the girls.
>Am I the only on-
No shut up
because you live in the post-Invincible era where that ground was already broken... by Invincible
So you have no base of reference.
It's like trying to explain to kids who grew up in a Post-Avengers movies era what blockbusters were like Pre-Avengers.
Calling it now, Tech-Jacket's origin will be the mid-season special ala Atom Eve
Shouldn't it be Rex? Would be fitting considering next season will be his final
I meant between 3 and 4
Robert Kirkman said that Titan will be returning in season three and all the other heroes appearing in the leaked character sheets makes me wonder if S3 will also be adapting the Guardians of the Globe spinoff comics as not only was Titan a major villain there but also to setup their participation in Invincible War so they won't come out of nowhere.
Ah shit! Animated Best Tiger would be amazing
I've got great news for you
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Just because people enjoy something, doesn't mean it's a groundbreaking phenomenon.
If that's not a 10/10 show it's shit.
fixed cringe
i mean what is even the point to keep her shorts atom eve is literally nude all the time
>bUt YoU cAn'T sHoW hEr UnDrEsSeD oNlY mArK
Invincible designs are so ugly, I know it's hard to come up with good designs, let alone OC'S, but it's like Kirkman and the artist didn't even try.
I appreciate it for having a beginning, middle, and end instead of being a forever story like most capeshit.
it is a forever story (you just don't get to see it and the mid to end of it would be just mark and eve fricking then going to world of the world and fix all its problems)
Invincible is frickin dogshit
i still don't get how cecil of all people doesn't have a backup plan for his own death
It probably involved getting the Donald treatment which of course wouldn't work with his brain being scattered all over the place
Invincible has always been very bland and unambitious outside of strawberry jam. And the art sucked in the early comic on top of that.
>unambitious
it was an entire shared superhero comics universe on the scale of Marvel or DC in a single title (plus spin-offs later) where things actually happened and the world changed as a result of those events in logical ways, for the time it was coming out that was pretty fricking ambitious (still is today to be perfectly honest, but now Invincible already did it)
>And the art sucked in the early comic on top of that.
Well yeah, but Ottley took over pretty early on and then it was great.
This shit happened all the time back then. Look up Ultraverse.
Spawn and Young Blood were part of a big shared Image universe too.
And all of that shit failed and was forgotten because nobody cared about it. The early Image stuff was a shared universe because the founders thought they could do the same thing Marvel and DC were doing, but with all of them having 100% creative control over their own characters and it was such a fricking mess that tried to do a big event to reboot all the universes into their own separate ones which was also a mess of a failure.
Invincible did it all in one comic and actually MADE IT WORK. Someone isn't only ambitious if nobody has ever tried it before, trying to do something difficult that others have tried and failed to do is arguably more ambitious than if it was a completely original idea.
I have no idea what the frick you're on about, what does that have to do with the fact that all the stuff you're pretending came out of nowhere with Angstrom was right there in the fricking comic but you were too stupid to get it until he said it all out loud?
You're just moving the goal posts of what you're claiming the comic achieved.
>I'm moronic and don't know what the frick I'm talking about so I will pretend I was talking about something else
Frick off homosexual
>Calls something unambitious
>Someone points out how it was ambitious
>Claims it still wasn't ambitious because [moronic reasons that make it clear I don't now what ambitious means]
>Explains how it was ambitious
>le moving the goalposts D:
>you're pretending came out of nowhere with Angstrom was right there in the fricking comic but you were too stupid to get it until he said it all out loud?
It's a retcon because Angstrom literally doesn't bring it up in the comic version of his origin, he just wants to get revenge on Mark for making him ugly
So you're saying because he did not bring it up right then at that very moment immediately vocally it came out of nowhere?
I'm saying everything he was doing was motivated by revenge against Mark for derailing his original plans to make money, not because of some self-righteous schizophrenzic crusade because Invincible being evil is nearly a universal constant. When he explains he was only going after Invincible because of the latter in the comic, it felt tacked on because it wasn't consistent with what was previously shown about him.
>When he explains he was only going after Invincible because of the latter in the comic, it felt tacked on because it wasn't consistent with what was previously shown about him
homie what was previously shown about him is that he was losing his mind due to the merging of all his different selves' identities. It's heavily implied that he himself can no longer keep track of what actually happened before or during the accident, and him shifting his motivations to justify his genocidal rampage after the fact makes perfect sense because HE HAS LOST HIS FRICKING MIND.
Christ zoomers are moronic.
As a third observer, I feel like the other Anon's argument seems the strongest. I don't know if I'd really call it a retcon but it's pretty clear that at this stage
the idea of invincible being evil in all the other universes and that's his motive isn't there
In the cartoon the idea is that Angstorm is a benign figure while in the comic he's just a scumbag
try actually reading the fricking comic, his memories of events and his justification of his actions shifts as time goes one STARTING from the point pictured here
The accident didn't just happen then BOOM Angstrom is now a perfect amalgamation of all his other selves, he continues to deteriorate and lose more and more of his original self as time goes on. Also like
said the comic makes it clear right from the get-go that he was kind of fricking shady and just seeking power for his own selfish reasons while trying to justify it as being for the greater good.
Either y'all haven't read the comic in a very long time and forgot most of it, you never read it in the first place, or you completely misunderstood what you were reading at the time.
>his memories of events and his justification of his actions shifts as time goes one STARTING from the point pictured here
Yes but he doesn't bring up anything about Invincible being evil. That's a show only detail that was extrapolated and expanded on from his "redemption moment" from the comic, presumably to better setup said redemption moment so it wouldn't feel as hamfisted as it did in the source material.
What if superman was le bad
I never read the comic
Can someone tell me what is this that hooks people in it
I am not some huge comic nerd
I barely read comics nor am i some weeb as i read like 2-4 manga in my whole life.
I did read couple of old spiderman issues out of pure boredom
What makes this one so special?
To me it sounds like some average comic that takes a lot from other media.
Also is it just me or do most of the suits look boring?
I'm firmly in the camp that says the alien stuff is the only part that's interesting, the mock superhero schtick is just one big boring cliche. The Mauler twins are the only interesting concept among the Earth villains and no matter how much the comic or the show try to make it an ensemble piece, I can count the number of human characters I give a damn about on one hand. Although that might be because I've read the whole thing and know how every character gets ruined.
I recognize your opinion as valid but I also think it is stupid and gay
Hot
how do you think they're gonna handle the whole debbie forgiving nolan thing? she hates him way more than in the comics.
Poorly. I initially thought there was no way they were going to have them actually reconcile based on how much forced dysfunction they inserted into their relationship in season one to service the moronic drawn out murder investigation plotline, like if she's already to the point of pretty much hating him just over him acting kind of weird after all his coworkers got brutally murdered then how in the frick is she going to later be okay with fricking the guy who shoved her son through a train full of humans and used him as a baseball bat to murder children?
But now with all the pining Debbie is doing for the good old days in season 2 is seems very much like they're trying really hard to course correct because they realized "oh shit I guess they have to get back together later, better make it seem like they had a good relationship" so ultimately show Debbie is just going to seem like a dick-starved post-wall BPD prostitute with no scruples.
Invincible's success, regardless of its quality, at least opens the door for more animated adaptations of comics that aren't expressly for toddlers. Maybe one day a novel will get an animated series.
>Maybe one day a novel will get an animated series
or graphic novel, for that matter, god what i would do for a decent Watchmen or Bone series
It was subtle, but there were definitely hints of him having knowledge of the evil Marks from the other universes. There was also stuff like the universe where he mentions the invasion slowing them down when he was retrieving one of his alt selves. Just because the show decided to be way more explicit with it and have Angstrom go full PTSD about the evil Marks in the middle of the confrontation doesn't make it better.
He's just messing with his head, bad guy trash talk
I thought season 1 was alright. My amazon prime subscription expires tomorrow. Is season 2 worth spending my evening on?
Nope. Season 2 is kind of a nothing burger while we waiting for the more interesting season 3 and if you didn't think season 1 was legitimately good then you're probably going to be bored by season 2
Maybe "alright" is a little too noncommittal, I did like it, enough to be interested in more. But if season 2 is a relatively weak follow-up I probably don't need to rush to watch it this evening, thanks anon
No.
Or yes.
Honestly just watch an episode or two, if you feel like watching more keep going. If you get bored, give up and turn it off.
I don't think it's any better than season 1 despite fixing some of the issues it had (Amber is a less blatantly abrasive b***h, but still a boring character who's propped up as more important than she should be because the writers already committed to making her a yassified boss b***h so they can't just drop her to minor character status now or they'll lose social credit) and in some ways it's definitely worse. The animation quality is even less consistent than it was in season 1, we waste a bunch of time on the dumb "Donald figures out he's a cyborg" drama plotline they inserted to make everyone hate each other more instead of adapting any of the side plots from the comic, the secondary Viltrumite villains that get introduced are all butchered versions of their comic counterparts and boring as hell, the Angstrom fight universe-hopping stuff is super-condensed and all Great Value versions of what we got in the comic, future Eve is a chestlet, and the Lizard League catastrophe got turned into a minor incident because nobody fricking died.
Now...can we get an adaptation of Luther Strode? THAT'S the shit I really wanna see.
Also, it would nice if they actually did some stuff with Battle Beast's daughter before ending this adaptation...they know a lot of guys like her and felt cheated for her to only show up in a couple panels in the final issue.
after seeing how horribly they're executing the visuals of this show, why in the frick would you want to see someone frick up Luther Strode?
So I'm a little confused why did the dimension hopping Black person go after Mark? If he though he was such hot shit why not go after an evil Mark? Did he know he'd get shit pushed so hard that every version of him in the multiverse would feel it?
I think he wanted specifically to go after the mark he felt was responsible for his mega tumor
Big brain make him dumb.
>If he though he was such hot shit why not go after an evil Mark?
Why would he? What the frick are you talking about?
If you're a multiverse guy and think you can and should kill Invincible, why start your crusade in any of the universes where Invincible already fricked up the planet when you're already on one where killing him would prevent the disaster? There's time for revenge on the successful Marks later.
Showgay here. I just realized the season finale was last week. Sure didn't feel like one.
This show is gonna take like 10-15 seasons, isn't it?
Hickman believes 7 or 8 Seasons would be enough, and he might be guessing right, two seasons in, 17 episodes, has covered about 46 comic issues out of 144. The show is focused on the bigger arcs and plot threads, skipping or downsizing the minor stuff, so 8 Seasons might really be all it takes if they keep trimming some stuff along the way.
At the pace they're going absolutely not. They keep shuffling around the order that things happen in, but we're already through events that happen in the 40s and the series only ran for 144 issues. Unless they're going to pack in a ton of storylines from the Guardians spinoffs or make up a bunch of show-original plotlines that take entire seasons then there's no way they're stretching this shit past like 7 seasons max
Do they do any casting calls for this, or is it all just a celebrity voice acting circlejerk?
The celebrities are voicing main characters and main villains, the secondary and tertiary cast are regular A-List to B-List voice actors so they might be selected through more common casting proceedings.
I've never heard of the guy who voices mark before but he's really killing it tbh
Celebrity Voice actors as in they are regular actors, from Movies and Live-Action series. Steven Yeun, the voice of Mark, is no gigantic celebrity but he has had some visibility and roles in popular series before, he played a role in another of Hickman's adaptations as well, he was in the Walking Dead as the asian guy, Glenn, who gets murdered by Negan (whose actor is hinting he has been selected to play future role in Invincible, with people guessing he might be Conquest).
>whose actor is hinting he has been selected to play future role in Invincible, with people guessing he might be Conquest
of the big names left to be revealed the only ones I can think of that they'd want him for would be either Conquest or Freddie yeah.
Honestly really hope he's not Conquest, I don't think he fit that at all. If they absolutely HAVE to pull a celebrity stunt casting for him (of course they do, how else are they going to prove it's a serious show for grown-ups?) I'd much rather they go for someone like a Josh Brolin type.
Like
said all the big names were definitely offered roles, I doubt they even did tests for any of them based on how horribly mis-matched some of the voices are to the characters.
Mark and Nolan's castings are actually very good choices thankfully, but a lot of the others like Rex are just baffling. Walton Goggins as Cecil is growing on me a bit, but he definitely isn't what I would have first envisioned for the role reading the comics. Debbie is whatever, anyone could read the shit lines they've written for her and it'd be equally bland. Rogen as Allen is fine, for now at least, but it's gonna be pretty hard to take him seriously later in the series. I don't hate their choice for Eve but she's another one who barely gets anything to work with that's worth a damn so far so who knows how she'll do if/when they finally get around to making her a more significant character. I love Clancy Brown of course but he does not scream Krieg for me at all, and Peter Cullen is perfect for Optimus Prime still because he's so fricking old that he sounds like a robot just trying to get his lines out, but that doesn't really work well in a show like this when he's supposed to be playing a virtually-immortal super alien ubermensch. It's just a real mixed bag all over the place.
God I miss the real Rex, show-only gays have no fricking idea what they're missing.
Is it being treated as groundbreaking?
Yeah I think they break the ground in it a lot, one time they even broke a whole planet that was a lot of ground
>modern sensibilities and the writers' pathological need to make William flamboyantly gay and catty from frame one instead of figuring it out later in the story means we don't get shit like this
gaaaaaay
I would trade all the teen gaaaaaay jokes if they had kept the leotard uniforms and big breasts several of the girls had in the comic, but can't have that either.
Can't expect them to adapt the random moment where Eve tells Mark she subconsciously gave herself a boob job after resurrecting herself when battling against Conquest.
god, so many of the little personality quirks of the characters just get completely wiped out in the interest of trying like hell not to offend anyone it's moronic.
It should be illegal to adapt any comic made more than 5 years before the adaptation, I'm so sick of this shit.
>that spoiler
>personality quirk
Actually commit suicide.
>Mark and William ribbing each other like actual teenagers and making jokes like that
>Eve caring enough subconsciously about her appearance to make her boobs bigger
Yes these are parts of their personalities you homosexual
I don't give a frick about whatever made up cope your want to spew from your moronic mouth, coomer. Frick off.
>the protag acting like an immature moronic is meant to be charming
No. If this is the kind of world the Earth is in Invincible, then the Empire can have it. This shitpile of a rock isn't worth saving.
>No. If this is the kind of world the Earth is in Invincible, then the Empire can have it. This shitpile of a rock isn't worth saving.
You're going to be shocked if you ever see IRL teenagers
Teenagers in real life don't talk to me, thank frick, so I don't have to hear the shit that dribbles out of their mouths.
The gaaaaaay jokes were undoubtedly Mark's personality quirk, he actually felt like a older teen early on, in the comic.
Well the version of Eve we have right now is literally just Community S1E1 Britta before she developed an actual personality, so yeah being a bit vain would be something.
>It should be illegal to adapt any comic made more than 5 years before the adaptation, I'm so sick of this shit.
Your post reminded me of the Y: The Last Man (except he isn't because FtM extras are hecking valid and in every fricking episode) and it's pitiful adaptation that got canceled because the increased presence of FtMs didn't stop MtFs from getting triggered by it saying they all died with the men.
Y and the The Boys were both fricking ruined by being made way too late for them to end up anything like the comics they were based on. The Boys of course had the added hurdle of being a Garth Ennis comic so getting the subject matter to even slightly resemble the source would've been basically impossible for a TV show back when the comic was releasing, but the extra time that passed between the two completely destroyed any chance for the intended political themes to survive.
>t. moron who doesn't even understand that teenagers are immature morons
>>t. moron who doesn't even understand that teenagers are immature morons
That's why they shouldn't be protagonists, dumbfrick.
Can you imagine if Invincible had Mark growing up and he was only a teenager for a few beginning arcs? That'd be crazy
They should've seen that coming considering MtFs are by far the loudest
>Can you imagine if Invincible had Mark growing up and he was only a teenager for a few beginning arcs? That'd be crazy
Don't care if he stops being a teen, he shouldn't have been one in the first place.
Pitch me a new origin to replace it.
>"Do the hack writer's job for them."
You're the moron baffled at the existence of teenagers
It's not bafflement, you idiot. I just don't want to see them, and I sure as hell don't want them as the protagonist of a story.
Speaking of later things, I think we're going to see a lot of obnoxious posts if they keep Eve's weight gain after pregnancy. There'd be architect posting but also "this ruins everything!" even though she's not fat and it's what becoming a mom does
>she's not fat
Dude, she got fat, I won't shame you if you are into in plumbing, but Eve undeniably became fat. The difference was very clear.
Also this wouldn't raise anywhere near the noise that the abortion would if they keep it in.
>spoiler
If that model sheet of her and Mark after the Conquest fight is anything to go by, then it's very likely they'll end up getting rid of that, sad
>William flamboyantly gay
If you think that's flamboyantly gay I hope you don't meet an actual gay person. William is somewhat effeminate but he's tame compared to some of these cum hungry queens out there.
>he's less obnoxious than some of the most annoying attention-seeking homosexuals in real life
Great, cool, that definitely makes it less shitty that they amputated the character's entire personality, story arc, and character dynamic with Mark so they could make him a loud and proud homosexual right from the start.
William is naturally fem, he is not playing into it or forcing it like flamers or drag queens do. Take it or leave it
AnD tHaT's NoT hOw He WaS iN tHe EaRlY cOmIcS yOu frickInG moron
Only watched the show and if they halved the amount of scenes where its just music over characters brooding it'd be a huge improvement.
It really dropped off after awhile. It felt like it was just on a loop repeating the same things.
I liked stuff like Allen and Invincible never really going back to being bros after Allen got Oliver killed.
The ending still felt way too rosey, what with Mark and Eve basically becoming Adam and Eve since she can just rewind their bodies and power-up whenever Mark and her are about to die due to battles or old age.
Eve and Mark would need to stage some weird shit, like Mark punching a hole in his own stomach, and be near her whenever she is about to die from old age and reset her life cycle back to being 20 years old, whenever Mark reaches the end years of his Viltrumite life (something that Hickman never revealed, we don't know exactly how long Viltrumites live for, just the vague count of "thousands")
Eve is never shown to learn how to manually use the full extent of her powers, unless the show adds that sidenote at the end of the series 10 years from now if it never gets cancelled.
For all we know Viltrumites might be near enough fricking immortal in terms of natural lifespan, but even if he was about to die of old age somehow, they could easily just murder-suicide to get a quick Eve reset, wouldn't be hard.
Ya know, I wonder where in the spiral of insanity the actual Savage Dragon book was when this came out