I'll be honest I was gonna say "that don't need to hold their breath in space" at first but fish can't breathe in space so I lost the plot 🙁 I just though Gilltrumites would be funny.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It is funny, Anon. I'd love to see your Gilltrumites eating the space worms
>fish king leaves the throne >his queen takes over >abolishes the marriage law for being barbaric (presumably towards women) >institutes a new form of bloodsport in its place that gets several innocents killed
it's a no from me but I gotta admit whether its being underwater or just fish genes I gotta admit that fish has a nice rack. wonder why the fish guy wasn't interested in staying home with her
they butchered Immortal's character. I guess they want him to be cool and since he's done nothing but get his shit wrecked he needs to cuck Rex who is also butchered and has been boring and brow beaten the entire season thus far. Immortal already gets a bone when he becomes an honorable father and resistor of tyrants, also they skipped his cabin incel arc. all this just screams pandering to the normalgays that don't like to accept that Jim Morrison was a fat neckbeard when he died and was a fat kid growing up and think he was like that one photoshoot he did when slumming in venice beach terminally.
Rex cucked himself by being a flaky homosexual to such a degree he gave a woman commitment issues, and all of this shit he's getting is, not quite canon, but pretty fricking close.
Wouldn't be surprised if we get an Imortal special later. They really didn't butcher his character beyond making him less up front jackassey and have good reason to not loving trust Mark.
The not avengers at the moment suck and need training. Duplicate being a prostitute now rather than later changes nothing other than 3 some jokes.
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oh you're goddamn fricking moron with literal nothing better to do than waste away with no potential, no talent, no abilities, with a tard wrangler to handle your finances until your brain degenerates enough that you accidentally try fo frick an electric outlt. that's the only brain thing in question, one year? two at most and that's it for ya.
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Guy you do realize no one gives a frick about your autism, right?
oh you're goddamn fricking moron with literal nothing better to do than waste away with no potential, no talent, no abilities, with a tard wrangler to handle your finances until your brain degenerates enough that you accidentally try fo frick an electric outlt. that's the only brain thing in question, one year? two at most and that's it for ya.
what did you expect man >raceswap main character from white to korean >raceswap mc's mom to korean >raceswap amber from white to black >raceswap rexplosion from white to latino >make the mc's best friend flamingly flamboyantly gay from the moment he is introduced
No the mother and the main character were very strongly asian coded in the comic. It was very clearly a wmaf relationship, and mark and the mother are drawn at least somewhat asian
Others have called mark “mystery meat” (and I think you can at least concede that) but in particular I do think they were asian in the comic especially bc of their eyes, and also the woman’s body shape suggests something more asian than white.
>the mother and the main character were very strongly asian coded in the comic
No they were not, she looks Greek or Italian. (Debbie has a pointy jaw, no slanted eyes, jet black hair, thin frame). I have a Sicilian relative who looks like her.
Kirkman, though, gave an interview about how making them ambiguous made it so all sorts of people could insert as them. I don't he meant them to be anything in particular.
>making them ambiguous made it so all sorts of people could insert as them.
No one darker than a Hispanic would be able to self insert as mark. Really only whites or asians can do it easily.
Debby looks nothing like Kate in the comics, who is Asian. Debby's just has dark hair. Nothing wrong with the change though. Her personality has also been a lot more interesting the show.
>make the mc's best friend flamingly flamboyantly gay from the moment he is introduced
that was always going to happen
they were never going to do the LOL GAY joke in this decade
>make the mc's best friend flamingly flamboyantly gay from the moment he is introduced
I am sure you would have loved this show to have Eve dating Wiliam just to piss off Mark arc and William comes out arc
The guy is legit insane and thinks we're all either in the industry or trying to break into it. Apparently he's been emailing them constantly trying to get people fired.
I don't get it. I almost hope it's a larp for his sake
>Still no breakup with annoying black woman >Fish people abolish marriage by contract instead of having Mark throw it vs the advisor guy >Home purchasing guy is portrayed as a dick for not wanting to spend a solid chunk of his day going to and from the office
>Home purchasing guy is portrayed as a dick
it's not about how valid his points were, it's about the way he spoke to his partner which shows an underlying lack of respect.
I think she eventually could, like it was some kind of mental restriction that was placed on her in her youth so she wouldn't grow too powerful. But eventually she removed that restriction and effectively became immortal, anytime she dies her body just spontaneously recreates itself, like when Conquest punched a hole through her
Atoms are the building blocks of matter, she can rearrange them into anything she wants. So basically water into gold, gold into chicken, whatever. She's Doctor Femhattan
Comic originally limits her powers to non-living matter, Extra episode of the amazon series explained it as limited to anything that's not animals or people.
No inherent understanding of the universe instead she's an artificial genius and can see atomic structure of objects and more importantly she has a hard block against manipulating organic matter so she can turn inorganic into organic but something already organic is untouchable unless she's dying in which case the block temporarily lifts so she can manipulate her own body to keep her alive
I still don't get how it's not the most OP thing in the world, she can basically make Atomic bombs by breaking any nucleus apart, or just encase anyone into obsidian or Diamond trapping them forever
Frick, make all the air around a person into Carbon dioxide and they pass out in
Make it into fricking poisonous gas and they insta die
>this shit is dumb
Welcome to the majority of capeshit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why is it so hard to make a basic power, and than think of creative ways to use it rather than make OP powers but use them in the most uncreative ways?
Or if you have OP powers are least place limitations on them that the average viewer could figure out
When did the West lose it's autism trait? the 90's?
How come only Japs sit down and write out every single rule for their powers?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Any power that needs a diagram to explain it is convoluted and the average viewer isn't going to follow it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That power is not creative. It is blatantly stolen from Jojo bizarre adventure diavolo
HxH steals from every other popular manga
Why is it so hard to make a basic power, and than think of creative ways to use it rather than make OP powers but use them in the most uncreative ways?
Or if you have OP powers are least place limitations on them that the average viewer could figure out
When did the West lose it's autism trait? the 90's?
How come only Japs sit down and write out every single rule for their powers?
Honestly the main reason is just cause it’s hard to make powers that are both cinematic and weird.
I’m trying to write my own cape horror story and this is a problem I keep running into. I even have a character who like Eve is basically a Fem Manhattan except she retains her connection to humanity through a monthly drug. just like Atom Eve I struggle to figure out how to balance her as an OP character. It’s really all about balancing the themes, creativity, and weirdness while still being sympathetic
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Honestly the main reason is just cause it’s hard to make powers that are both cinematic and weird.
No it's not
There are 8 arcs of JoJo that can prove this
6 months ago
Anonymous
Just because it can be done well doesn’t mean it isn’t hard
It’s a skill that must be practiced and built up with time
6 months ago
Anonymous
For your story, seems like the easiest way is to require some kind of internal energy, so the more impressive the effects the more energy she uses up and it takes her a while to recuperate. This means that using her powers to do something incredible could leave her completely useless for a long time, which works for your horror setups.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Or have other intrinsically magical creatures which are powerful and resistant to offensive magic
>she can basically make Atomic bombs by breaking any nucleus apart, or just encase anyone into obsidian or Diamond trapping them forever
She doesn't want to nuke people or trap them forever, and neither of those moves would work on Viltrumites.
What's so hard to understand?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>She doesn't want to
Immobilize targets so they're not a threat? >and neither of those moves would work on Viltrumites.
Litearlly just this episode it was told that Alt-Nolan got killed by a bomb
Eve at any point can make microscopic bombs that shoot up the nose of any Vilturmite and blow up all of their internal organs
Or release a chemical that turns their blood to poison
Or make a virus
Or litearllly anything
How can you defend this moronation so vehemently?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Eve isn't a genius nor does she have complete control over everything. Making something incredibly complex/dangerous could easily get out of hand. It also takes time, which is why she settles on her pink energy which is instant.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She isn't magic you moron. She is literally building shit atom by atom or converting it all step by step.
Its "simple" to make an apple (even if its organic) into gold that isn't moving. A whole different ball park to count for a moving target interacting with atoms at different aspects with each atom having to be spun up into its own thing to make what ever her end goal is. Think of it like trying to knit a sweater on somebody attempting to beat your ass in.
>I still don't get how it's not the most OP thing in the world
It is, in the comic it's implied she was created as a contingency against rouge superheroes. > she can basically make Atomic bombs by breaking any nucleus apart
correct >or just encase anyone into obsidian or Diamond trapping them forever
yes >Frick, make all the air around a person into Carbon dioxide and they pass out in
Make it into fricking poisonous gas and they insta die
Yes
but the reason she doesn't is because she doesn't actually want to kill anyone.
Remember in the atom eve special how op versatile and insane her powers were. She can't do that because she's not the mc also it's the same reason for the blocker she'd nerf anything against her. I will say I believe it's added bonus she's a good guy so murder is wrong to her.
Bc the powerlevels in the comic is nuts a few nukes wouldn’t do anything to any of the main antagonists
With her “blocks” off she degloves a main antagonist at one point and doesn’t do much else
The viltrumites fly through planets, destorying them, and battle on the surface of the sun and it’s not just viltrumites there’s numerous animals and other characters that are threatening to them
It’s just a crazy comic with lots of scope later
it's super powerful but >can't use it on people (usually) >when she can use it on people, it's strong >unless it's a viltrumite because they're really dense or something
It kind of is in the running for "most broken power". Eve ends up living a life no other person could ever have later on
Other anons mostly explained it but it bears mentioning that the psychological conditioning that stops her from affecting living things was intentionally implanted by the shadowy evil dudes who experimented on her to deliberately nerf her. Under extreme circumstances or, like, literally insanity she would easily be the strongest character in the series.
Female characters in Invincible are incompetent jobbers and not smart. It's funny, actually. Just like in Naruto. That's why Kirkman trying to pass off as a male feminist is so funny to me.
She jobs to them because making a material tougher than a viltrumite aint exactly easy, once the limiter breaks she's unstoppable though, her strength varies the most of anyone in the series, when shes normal shes probably weaker than immortal when her limiter is broken she's the strongest being in the series by far
How is this not the most broken power in the entire universe again?
Plot induced stupidity mainly.
She also usually can't use her powers on living things
She is not exactly Dr. Manhattan, he had no limits, meanwhile Hickman placed several limits on Eve, first, there's the mental block preventing from messing with with human/animal matter, second, even if the mental block is bypassed (when she is about to die, or extreme mental trauma) her body is like a conversion module so even with her powers at maximum Eve is using her own matter to alter others, so she can EVERYTHING with a catch: she cannot convert the entire world through her tiny body, and what she can convert through herself will get her exhausted eventually.
That's why Eve is dead scared of using her powers too much when she is pregnant with Terra, her powers would literally use fetus as conversion fodder
I'm ngl I really love the artstyle of Invincible, it's action packed but doesn't try going for an anime artstyle which a lot of American action cartoons try doing, I honestly think other cape cartoons should take notes
Yeah there's way too many plotlines happening at once jumping from character to character people we really have zero reason to care about. Like it's trying to be game of thrones but without the necessary hour long episodes to flesh each character out.
it was fricking abysmal. >get ready to marry our queen >wait nevermind silly we abolished savage practices like that (but not the whole sins of the father thing) >we replaced the 'savage practice' with a public monster battle against an underwater kaiju from the marianas trench >we cut the best part of the fight out so that you have more time to watch mark's mom get angry at the black male white female couple because the man is in charge
what the frick is the writing in this thing
>>we replaced the 'savage practice' with a public monster battle against an underwater kaiju from the marianas trench
i am almost certain that is the joke
I don't think it's a joke. It feels like the writers/Kirkman apologizing for the "Mark avoids marrying the fish by having her butler marry her instead" story by just making it your usual "fight lions in the arena" story.
So he'll figure out that they rebuilt him as a cyborg at some point in the series and have a bit of a breakdown before eventually pulling himself together right?
He was getting the captured
Markus "Mark" Grayson to spill how he got captured in exchange for their freedom. Which he didn't grant. It hypes up their future showdown!
>Hey Mark how did you rekt? >oh they nuked dad and after awhile i fell asleep and they took me away >thx i will use this information to kill you in another universe
Some anti industry pysopist is trying to steal my identity. I actually love that invincible sticks to the cal arts style of animation, I personally find it to be refreshing and much better than Ron J or whatever his name is’s style of animation.
>Lens breaks in the ocean >Mark doesn't scream in agony
Seriously?
How the frick do people swim in the ocean without gear?
It's fricking saltwater on your eyes
>Let me break it down for you, Mark. Your mother and I have a relationship that's all about a master/slave dynamic. When I said she was more like a pet to me, I meant that in the most literal way possible. Remember that time you found a dog collar under the couch and I told you it's because we were getting you a dog? That was a lie, son. Truthfully, your mom likes it when I put her on a leash and walk her around the back yard. She's usually naked, of course. I can't explain why, but the whole thing is her idea. She'll piss on tress, sleep in dog cages, chew up furniture -- she once took a full-sized, adult woman shit in my Dockers. Your mother is one fricked-up bawd, Mark. And I love her, but I'm not bringing that energy back to Viltrum with me. Frankly? She scares me sometimes. I don't know who molested her or how they did it, but there is some dark juju in that woman's head and I just don't know if I'm strong enough to frick it all away.
Immortal's long life has allowed him to rule over many harems, during which time he acquired the dexterity to fully pleasure multiple women at once. Kate's connected senses allow her to achieve a simultaneous quadra-orgasm when Immortal uses each hand, his mouth, and his dick.
Ah yes, real artistic skill, much like you demonstrate in your webcomic! Truly, it must enact a heavy toll on you, all those hours languishing hitting the refresh button on Dall-E until you get just the right metallic play doh dragon. How can modern day animators hope to compete against a work ethic of such magnitude?
Is anyone else kinda pissed at the dialogue? They can't write adversarial characters for shit, their dial only has "overly-conciliatory" and "complete dickhead"
-Guy who talks to "Russ" and puts him on leave
-Construction worker
-Black house-hunter
-Kate
-Eve's dad
No, Eve's dad wasn't introduced until later and this little subplot didn't exist, and his anti-super-power position didn't exist. But i'm focusing mostly on the dialogue; adding in lines that don't mean much, aren't persuasive, don't reveal anything about the story, etc.
Kate for example makes a remark about non-workplace appropriate talk - to the co-worker she had sex with, as her other multiples are having sex with her boss. Rex is unlikable, Kate is unlikable, immortal is unlikable - much moreso than the comic (except immortal who was explicitly an butthole)
Eve's dad says >Your powers don't make you a hero, they make you dangerous!
No attempt to reason, even angrily, no addressing the obvious logical flaws in that statement, just have him make sweeping statements, make him overemotional, crank that shit up to eleven.
You can have essentially the same scenes and story progression with less clumsy writing.
I'm surprised the black home buyer didn't kick a puppy on his way out.
>Kate for example makes a remark about non-workplace appropriate talk - to the co-worker she had sex with
She broke up with Rex specifically because he lied to her about already breaking up with Eve when they had sex
no she didn't, kate was a cheating bawd she just settled for immortal. Rex deserved it but it was never a big reveal it was just an excuse to reuse that one eve panel with Rex. Sad they didn't use the scene I wanted to see it animated so badly be perfect meme gif.
>no addressing the obvious logical flaws in that statement, just have him make sweeping statements, make him overemotional, crank that shit up to eleven.
Uh, what logical flaws? The statement is not inaccurate, even if it is sort of irrelevant.
The danger was in a sinkhole that already existed, it didn't have anything to do with her powers. It baffles me why the writers didn't make the corner of the building she repaired collapse or hurt someone, that would actually have been Eve's fault and would tie in with the argument she had with the construction worker.
>-Guy who talks to "Russ" and puts him on leave
He did nothing wrong nor was he being an butthole about it. An astronaut needs to be in peak mental health to do his job which can be life threatening. He did the responsible thing making him take leave.
I can comprehend that reading this made me feel really fricking bad for you. Either take your meds or write your ramblings on the wall in shit like schizo’s are supposed to, not on a Cambodian basket weaving forum.
I'm aware Immortal and Kate are a thing in the comics but could they really not have them exchange a single line of dialogue between two episodes before they started fricking?
>Kate at first goes for the brash hot-headed 20 something smart-ass >pendulum swings the other way and now she's into the strong, silent leader type
doesn't seem too far fetched tbh, yea they could have built it up more but to me it just feels like she's metaphorically thinking with her dick and swapping one frick for another. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a scene later in the show where she asks something like "what are we?" and gets disappointed by the answer
That was so out of the blue for me it was just weird. Which guardian was he fricking before Nolan turned them all to jelly if he's this much of a poon hound.
So… A 6/10 is a fair rating for this episode, right? It just seemed like this episode was all over the place and tried to cram too many things into one episode.
The only way they'll end up together again is for Nolan to somehow apologize wholeheartedly to a fuming Debbie, even crying in front of her - only for her to cry back and express how much she miss him and all.
Yeah, kind of sappy and hypocritical even for Debbie, but it'll showcase how madly in love Debbie is to Nolan(a trait she is showing already in episode 8 season 1) that she is willing to compromise just to have him back again.
>Nolan choose her because she's a pet
Well first, Nolan is straight up lying to himself. But even at face value he just he meant that he can't OTP someone who lives x100 shorter life, not that he doesn't care and respect her (as he clearly does).
They completely fricked up William's joke, as that other anon feared. Now it makes no sense. Or perhaps it's only related to "Mark is always on the job", it's so shit.
So does Eve ever reconcile with her dad?
In the show and in some of snippets i have seen posted here in the comics he always seems to be painted in a negative light, but I think a lot of points that he made make a lot of sense even if he is kinda a dick about it.
I can imagine a father would be worried about the all the shit her daughter dealt with while fighting as a super hero.
I don't think I would want my teenage daughter to fight against shit like the fricking flaxans either.
I think it's also very morally upstanding of him to never even have thought of exploiting's eve power to get rich.
I don't know how many people would do the same as him.
>but I think a lot of points that he made make a lot of sense even if he is kinda a dick about it.
That's pretty much his entire character, he's a well meaning butthole.
You see, modern society is plagued by this strange pussiness. Everyone is afraid of telling the truth. And I don't mean the regular truth. I mean really fricking harsh truth. And, as evidence in the comic, it's that Eve can't fight for shit and should stay home lest she be raped, murdered, and eaten. Not necessarily in that order.
Was surprised that they're already setting up the Viltrumites' weakness with the loud frequency so soon since that will only start to become relavant by like season five
I’m wondering what’s up with the whole Twins thing >Dupli Kate/Multi Paul >Thrag’s kids >Bulletproof and his brother >Oliver and his kids >also technically the Mauler TWINS
Might come later although there’s a similar scene where she physically pushes him away with her hand because she’s so ashamed and broken from Mark seeing her have an alcoholic meltdown in her kitchen
In the end of Invincible Mark ends up largely pretty alienated from humanity, to the point where his daughter has to talk him down from committing genocide when one species tries to pull some shit once too many. In the end all of the needs of the many moral quandries they keep throwing at him wear him down and he just doesn't care anymore.
I'm honestly wondering if they'll go the same route in this adaptation considering how much time is dedicated just to covering mark's grief and regret. I feel like they're bound to change either that or Debbie forgiving him, especially since Nolan goes out of his way to be cruel and sadistic a lot more in this version.
Morals in the comic have always been fricked up and rubbed me the wrong way. I wonder if they'll keep the abortion. That shit turned me against Mark and Eve immediately. Not like they were very likeable in the first place but still.
William only came out of the closet midway through the story in the comic. He started out performatively homophobic actually (retrofitted as him trying to hide being gay) and dated Eve for a bit. Eve was able to tell he was gay because of how uninterested he was in her sexually IIRC
>it would only make people think that eve is the worst choice possible for mark >worse than AMBER
Never happening, ever. Amber is so tainted that people are reacting violently when she's on screen even despite the writers' blatant attempts to sell her relationship to Mark in Season 2 by writing her as a different character entirely.
Ray in the comics dies during the upcoming battle with the cobra group, in fact everyone in that half of the team dies but Rex and Kate. The other half of the group deals with the space parasites.
Yeah, that's kinda what I mean. Kate can't exactly die because she plays it smart. Leaves a clone in a safehouse, just in case. It's what I would do too.
Next episode is about Allen the Alien and the Coalition of Planets so I wonder how people will react to pic related, it'd be funny if they don't even show what happens to him after that and just leave it as a cliffhanger
So why do so many versions of Mark join his father? The one glimpse we caught of an AU Mark showed that he had a very strange value system, is the "main" timeline one of the few where he wasn't born a psychopath?
Well considering in one timeline the Immortal is still alive, it's likely Mark got his powers sooner rather than later. Even if that wasn't the case, it seems like Omni-man may have just went about things differently, maybe explaining Viltrum to him properly.
Damn, the show is making Adam worse than he was in the comics, Hickman is going full strawman misogynist with him without any redeeming qualities with him form the show? In the comics his final scene served to show he wasn't a complete piece of shit and loved Eve in his own way.
But he’s still got a point, having someone magic up a solution is completely undermining the concept of working for what you and many others are doing, he means well but is an butthole just like the comic
Adam was a manageable piece of shit in the comics, his worst tirade was calling Eve used goods when thanking Mark for rescuing his "bawd" of a daughter from a future where no good men would ever pursue a serious relationship with Eve anymore. He also benefited from having less appearances to even start acting like an ass in the first place, so the next time we see him with Eve as a mom he is just annoyed to see her breastfeeding a kid in the presence of a man, after that he actually eases down and Eve in the final panel Adam is ever seen she is surprised Adam is not so bad anymore.
The show is going heavy handed on Adam's approach, and since the show portrays itself as more serious than the often goofy comics, he looks less like a caricature and more of a straight bad parent.
He was a bad parent in the comics too, just because he had less appearances there overall doesn't change the fact that he was still an butthole in the majority of times that he did.
Adam was a manageable piece of shit in the comics, his worst tirade was calling Eve used goods when thanking Mark for rescuing his "bawd" of a daughter from a future where no good men would ever pursue a serious relationship with Eve anymore. He also benefited from having less appearances to even start acting like an ass in the first place, so the next time we see him with Eve as a mom he is just annoyed to see her breastfeeding a kid in the presence of a man, after that he actually eases down and Eve in the final panel Adam is ever seen she is surprised Adam is not so bad anymore.
The show is going heavy handed on Adam's approach, and since the show portrays itself as more serious than the often goofy comics, he looks less like a caricature and more of a straight bad parent.
He is worse in the show, in the comics he didn't tell Eve to just put up with Rex cheating on her, saying that's just what men do. In comics he didn't seem to have double standards for men, he was sexist in the sense he expected women to act a certain way, but wasn't vouching for men acting like shit and excusing with that's what men do.
What has he said that is actually wrong? Really, he's just harsh, but he has a point every time. Rex is a stupid teenager, Eve isn't old enough to even drink, her powers are fricking absurd, and trying to benefit from them will only bring them problems from potential super villains.
Wrong person friend? I'm 100% saying that in show.
Comics he is over protective to point of boxing Eve and trying to force older ideas on her that have been proven again and again to not work and just produce rebellious kids. He snaps at her for using her power in any form rather than even giving suggestions or guidance on better uses.
In both he has been wrong to treat her like a freak and 1800s fragile maiden act just isn't going to work.
Nolan is also considerably worse in the show. It's important to remember that shit like the train scene where he goes out of his way to emotionally break Mark by murdering people doesn't really happen, his kills are incidental in the comic. They're definitely going to change how some emotional arcs play out in the long run- Debbie definitely isn't going to jump into Nolan's arms the first time she sees him, for example.
It's weird seeing people on other sites talk about how Nolan was right and Earth should have just surrendered because it's for their own good when Nolan literally kills a shit ton of people to show his pure disdain for Earth. And this is the guy who lived here for years and felt conflicted about his mission, not the other Viltrumites who wouldn't give a shit.
Like it or not, there is literally fricking nothing anyone in that universe can do against a united Viltrumite threat. A force so vastly superior you are more akin to an ant than an opponent. Sure, we've got technology, but that's extremely situational at best and a limiting crutch at worst. I wouldn't say fighting back is wrong, but fighting back is just going to make the galactic-tier raping worse. I'd throw in the towel and hope I get some curious Viltrumite woman who has nothing better to do to take me as a pet if I'm not worked to death in mines or made an example of.
The Lizard League seem like gag villains now, but just wait.
them appearing in eve's special as a legitimate threat to the guardians of the globe was some brilliant foreshadowing
Possibly, with Season 2 being just Levy the next one should be about the Invincible War, the hook for Season 4 could only be Conquest.
That also means we are stuck with Mark with Amber all the way to Season 3 as well, things will only shift towards Eve after that.
Feel like Kirkman subtly confirmed Conquest was in season three since he said that there are characters who appeared in S1 but not S2 that will definitely return in S3.
I think conquest showing after invincible war is perfect, Mark gets completely wiped out only to the second strongest vilitrumite to show up and be completely unreasonable and proceed to ruin Mark's life, it's so good it's no wonder he sticks in everyones mind
How much Conquest appears in Season 3 will be directly proportional to how much of a big deal the Invincible War will be in the show. I just don't get the felling the show will actually have focus on the the five or so evil Marks like in the comics among the dozens of fodder ones, they don't have all the Image Comics heroes to fight against them. The crazy Mark who's obsessed with Eve was the only evil Mark that had actual substance and more appearances in the comic so I think they should focus on him.
Invincible War is probably the penultimate episode while Conquest is the season three finale.
How much Conquest appears in Season 3 will be directly proportional to how much of a big deal the Invincible War will be in the show. I just don't get the felling the show will actually have focus on the the five or so evil Marks like in the comics among the dozens of fodder ones, they don't have all the Image Comics heroes to fight against them. The crazy Mark who's obsessed with Eve was the only evil Mark that had actual substance and more appearances in the comic so I think they should focus on him.
I do hope Invincible War is a much bigger deal in the show, that shit was so much worse and larger scale than what even Omni-Man did in the show and it should have permanently tarnished Mark's reputation but the comic immediately brushes over it.
I almost don't like the idea of the invincible war, but the fact of the matter is that Conquest works so well because this smug old bastard shows up at Mark's lowest possible moment.
It's absolutely getting more spotlight, as kino as conquests fight was, it was always weird it got way more attention than this, this was probably the worst thing to happen, potentially worst than Dino/11
hope they really amp up sinister's mark's creepiness, though I never really get why he was stronger than the rest, was it really just a case of this mark is stronger than the other mark, or was he modified in some way
The worldwide destruction can actually be done by just one viltrumite, Anissa herself threatened Mark she could erase life on Earth in a matter of hours; the eight of them only served to make the massive number of superheroes across Image Comics too separated to actually prevent all Evil Marks from destroying everything.
The Evil Marks still ended up destroying everything, the point wasn't just to make a big crossover event but to also ruin Invincible's image to the world with his variants and also give the heroes a chance by at least allowing them some kills (which they probably wouldn't be able to do to an older Viltrumite like Anissa).
I do like the superhero parodies but it’s weird that the ending cliffhanger before the credits and post credits scene is the lizard gang. I have not read the comics and don’t know if they’re relevant later or not, but it’s not that much of a stinger to end the episode on. Especially after the scene before that was very sad.
Season 2 probably ends with Mark beating Angstrom to death in the desert before realizing what he's done in horror and then getting rescued by the alternate Guardians of the Globe
I find it a little amusing that people talk about this show in almost exactly the same way people talk about manga to anime adaptations. >people getting pissed off at deviations from the source material no matter how small >people thirsting to see That One Part animated it's Conquest lol, what else >"read the comic"
Every thread just says how the comics get into morally bankrupt angsty bullcrap, and they make me not want to read the comic in the first place. The TV show so far has handled most stuff well and not as edgy as people make the comic seem, so it puts me off it entirely.
Invincible, the story, is basically about Mark having his morals get grinded down by tragedy after tragedy. Angst and edge is kind of a key part of the series.
I wouldn't say it's that pessimistic,
He basically just stops doing the stereotypical superhero "good" or the objectively statistically best thing and just decides to do what he can to make the world a better place in his own way
I think the ultimate failing of Invincible on that front is how they handle Robot, who's sorta supposed to represent the same talking point as Nolan from the start of the series of short term evil leading to long term good being worth more than day to day heroics. Having Robot do something stupid and evil out of the blue at just the right time for literally everyone to unite against him feels like it's so convenient that it cheapens that whole dilemma and that either having Robot be less perfect before that point or having Mark reject his utopia anyway and go "frick your perfect world, you deserve this" would've been more emotionally effective
Robot was definitely a much more powerful threat than the ONE issue he was given, even with all Thragg's army, Robot's Dark bots had the ability to paralyze invincible, never mind all the weaker bugussy ones.
I don't even mind robot taking the kids but i know for a fact he's not stupid enough to deliberately provoke Mark without any other leverage than the blackmail which lets face it, wouldn't stop them all raining down and fricking killing him
Robot was definitely a much more powerful threat than the ONE issue he was given, even with all Thragg's army, Robot's Dark bots had the ability to paralyze invincible, never mind all the weaker bugussy ones.
I don't even mind robot taking the kids but i know for a fact he's not stupid enough to deliberately provoke Mark without any other leverage than the blackmail which lets face it, wouldn't stop them all raining down and fricking killing him
Robot overstaying his welcome was one of the biggest issues in the comic and the clearest sign that it was falling into the same trap as most big name publisher comics. He just continued to get free wins and asspull getaways after a point because well otherwise I guess we wouldn't be able to keep using a shit villain.
It'd have been forgivable if he was interesting or entertaining but he never managed to be anything other than an obnoxious villain sue who kept showing up after awhile with a paper thin moral argument to wrap around him being a failure of a human being.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That''ll definitely be changed. A lot of Invincible's pacing issues have been ironed out so far.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Unironically he's so garbage that just killing him and rewriting everything that involved him from as early a point as possible would be a massive net benefit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think it could work if it's more gradual and foreshadowed. Also, Robot does a lot less stupid shit, like killing fricking everyone.
It’s not about tragedy being in it, it’s how they handle it. And all I hear is the comics do it poorly with stuff like the rape, genocide, abortion and shit like that. And from how the show is presented they’re definitely changing things to make it less insane than the comic. Something like
The rape and genocide are key to the story and will be staying in, abortion would make sense to remove, that was just fricking stupid and didn't even affect anything
The rape is absolutely staying in, a character doesn't exist without it. Invincible at that point will be big enough and with the new writing handle it respectfully and then they'll get publicity and accolades, it's too big not to do
6 months ago
Anonymous
Rape is a very touchy subject and with the way they keep making things PC in the show, I expect drastic changes to that section of the story. I don’t know what character is made from that event so I can’t say how they could rework that, but something will be changed. They’ve been adamant of making their female characters better than the comics.
6 months ago
Anonymous
There is no making Anissa better. She's a shit person through and through. That's the whole point of her character, and if they remove her they actively dismantle a huge part of the story. They'll keep it in and probably just imply it, rather than actually showing it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>That's the whole point of her character, and if they remove her they actively dismantle a huge part of the story.
They've already dismantled and changed huge parts of the story, but this specific moment is gonna stay in?
6 months ago
Anonymous
The rape in the comic isn't done lightly or solely for shock value Not only is it done to actually traumatize mark with it and to deal with the aftermath of it but to truly show how depraved Viltrumites are, she later redeems herself partly and realises the impact of what she actually did.
Removing it would remove a major part of mark's life and his future, it needs to happen to him to show what he's truly fighting against
6 months ago
Anonymous
how does she redeem herself? all I can remember is omni man threatening her and she says she sorry, and she's taking care of the kid
6 months ago
Anonymous
She only redeems herself to the reader, if you accept it anyway, Mark never talks to her to make peace.
how does she redeem herself? all I can remember is omni man threatening her and she says she sorry, and she's taking care of the kid
Anissa dies in the final war protecting Eve
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's moronic, if you want to set up Vultrimites as crazy psycho rapists there are better ways of doing it. Definitely less cheesy ones.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I imagine the show will treat it with alot more respect, besides Amber i think the show's done a great job changing scenes around
6 months ago
Anonymous
She only redeems herself to the reader, if you accept it anyway, Mark never talks to her to make peace.
[...] Anissa dies in the final war protecting Eve
>redeeming a rapist >in 2020s >invincible fans actually believe this
Come on now
6 months ago
Anonymous
>A female character >Not being redeemed in the 2020s >He actually believes this.
Come on now.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I've yet to see a female rapist being redeemed in the 2020s. For genocide? Yes, and it sucks, but it's true. Not rapists, that's too touchy for US audiences.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Kirkman pls go
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes and you're thinking like an artist and now a soulless megacorp
6 months ago
Anonymous
Removing the rape removes Marky and changes the whole ending of the series. They wouldn't do that.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think it would've been better if Anissa was the one Viltrumite who wasn't affected by earth stuff. Just have her mellowed out a bit because of motherhood. I'm totally not saying this so she doesn't get BLACKED
Even in that panel with Debbie, it further shows just as obsessed she was with her own ideals and how problematic as a person she was, and helps to drive home the fact that Mark constantly feels guilty and like a frick-up, not just for saving lives, but for just existing and doing what he naturally wants to do and feels is the right thing. It's actually a pretty pivotal point even if it's a shitty thing for Debbie to act/say.
Omniman was a much worse person in the show. If they didn’t cut that panel with Debbie it would be outrageous. His battle with Mark was nowhere near as horrific in the comic
I wouldn't say it's that pessimistic,
He basically just stops doing the stereotypical superhero "good" or the objectively statistically best thing and just decides to do what he can to make the world a better place in his own way
People always say this about the comic, but really the arc's a lot more interesting. He slowly goes from naively heroic to increasingly callous until it balances out into pragmatism, but he eventually reclaims his actual heroism but now through a more mature lens. It's something that Kirkman seemed to like writing a lot, since he did a pretty similar thing with The Walking Dead and Rick: a character that starts out hopeful, gets beaten down into cruelty, accepts that people can thrive in a world of tough choices, but then their defining characteristic is ultimately rejecting that to say they need to strive for better.
Important to note that the Invincible comic was almost entirely driven by the fear of getting cancelled which is why plot twists tend to happen so abruptly in a way that makes it feel like it was more for the sake of shock value, which it was but it did improve sales and helped keep the comic going.
The show feels more like Kirkman's way of remaking the story if he actually had the luxury to pace things out, like Omni-Man's plot in season one was also supposed to be slower in the comic but one of the Image founders encouraged him to just make the reveal as soon as the next issue.
>writers see the obvious backlash for amber's shitty writing in S1 >instead of confronting it via amber reflecting or saying sorry, they just 180 her character completely with 0 mentioning of S1 like it never happened and she was always in the right >heres your perfect gf bro she's so good to mark look at them haha >amber apologists have now moved from defending S1 to saying it doesn't matter ambers good now
I don't care enough to be mad about Amber's existence, no matter how much of a pest she is, as long as she actually fricks off from Mark's life by the start of Season 3 so they can shift to Eve as Mark's actual love interest. If they actually try to have Amber around beyond her tipping point that's when I could get mad.
But Amber already became nicer after the Omni-Man reveal, that happened in S1.
The literal only annoying thing Amber pulled was the superhero reveal thing, mostly just because of the context of her personally witnessing Mark saving a bunch of lives, and they made up extremely quickly and never brought it up again.
>they made up
they made up or mark was beaten down morally by every single character before grovelling back to Amber so she can say Mark's dad lying to him and his mom, and using Mark's body to bludgeon half the city, then beating him to near death is equal to Mark keeping his superhero identity a secret from her? they made up or Mark apologised then Amber took him back? Not giving a shit about Amber I understand, but she's still a shit character taking up minutes for a shoddy relationship that'll go no where, because you just know they'll cut the domestic violence piece which was ambers only bit after they broke up if I remember correctly, and even then amber has jack shit to take from the comics. I know with the pacing of the show they can't just jump to Eve but Ambers a fricking drag, just 1 acknowledgement of her mistake is all I want
A total change in character direction is more an acknowledgement of fricking up than trying to rationalize it in-story.
Plus they kinda admitted it was a waste of time at the end of Season 1 when Amber immeditely comes crawling back to Mark after the big fight is over.
>expecting writers who raceswap characters not to personalityswap >expecting continuity of character in a show about forced diversity where even the mc has been raceswapped
>reflecting or saying sorry, they just 180 her character completely
I mean isn't that an attempt to "fix her"
The that they acknowledged Amber was a problem is refreshing. I'm so use to movies especially Disney saying if you don't like the character you're the problem.
I don't know if they did the scene with her in the comnics but I just realised Eve's friend who died in the war was included in the show, thats insane levels of foresight
Her name in the show is Val and the girl Eve's mom mentions died during the battle against Omni-Man. I feel like they would have brought it up already if that was the case.
If you want subtle foreshadowing, Cecil chides Nolan for going right for his throat despite working together for many years during their confrontation, guess how Cecil dies at Robot's hand years later.
Seemed like just a bunch of completely random bullshit with zero focus at all. Every scene was completely unrelated to the last. The animation looked worse too. Pretty terrible episode. The only part I liked was the astronaut guy who was replaced by a Martian.
without the background thread of omniman's betrayel running through the narrative it comes off much slower and more "slice of life" than the slowly building dread of season 1.
no fricking way man, I'd like that but I bet it's going to end with mark getting angstromed into the desert, then s3 wrap up the war, middle is conquest and ends with thragg teaser
Im only watching this to see if there's going to be more or less cuckshit by the end.
So far my prediction leans towards more, but maybe they will cut the "mark gone for years for no reason" arc, if nothing else just to save money.
I think Mark has to visit planet bug-babes before the falling out, since he and Cecil have that argument about Mark leaving the planet without approval. Plus, the writers probably know that if Nolan doesn't show up again soon, a lot of viewers will lose interest.
Is there a point they're going for with "Eve uses her powers to help but only causes more harm"? Because you're only going to offend your main audience of SJWs by making the hippie-minded girl counterproductive.
I liked it, it made sense, she's like dr manhattan with none of the intellect, she remade that massive building but fricked up since she has no idea how buildings work, actually made the pissed off tradies make sense, they couldve executed it better without hammering it home and writing amber as a dumbass leaving that fountain behind. She was born with these powers you'd think she'd know her own limits by now
you're a genius anon, angstrom should look for the universe of mark blending machines, and just teleport all the marks into the mark blending machine universe
Also he tries to rape his mother and kill his infant brother. So Invincible torture and suffering is like a fetish to him. Levy is pretty much just hatred for no reason personified.
Why did Kirkman humiliate Bulletproof so much? Killed his own brother, then he and his girlfriend killed his own parents and had to cover it up, then he got caught in an explosion and was horrifically scarred, what did the guy do to deserve this (besides being black)
So Eve finally got called out for all her reckless transmogrifying of the enviroment. Does she also eventually get called on her absolutely pathetic use of her power in combat? b***h can change any kind of matter in to anything she wants but all she does is shoot lasers and make shields. She could have turned the ground all those aliens from S1 were on in to a 40 foot deep pool of acid.
Eve is NOT Dr.Manhattan in practice despite their powers being somewhat similar, this has been discussed in the thread already. This
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She is not exactly Dr. Manhattan, he had no limits, meanwhile Hickman placed several limits on Eve, first, there's the mental block preventing from messing with with human/animal matter, second, even if the mental block is bypassed (when she is about to die, or extreme mental trauma) her body is like a conversion module so even with her powers at maximum Eve is using her own matter to alter others, so she can EVERYTHING with a catch: she cannot convert the entire world through her tiny body, and what she can convert through herself will get her exhausted eventually.
That's why Eve is dead scared of using her powers too much when she is pregnant with Terra, her powers would literally use fetus as conversion fodder
>Twitter is preemptively getting mad about this scene years before it's going to appear in the show
God, you can just feel the outrage building. So many arguments about "Male rape not being taken seriously" on the backburner.
>Twitter is preemptively getting mad about this scene years before it's going to appear in the show
God, you can just feel the outrage building. So many arguments about "Male rape not being taken seriously" on the backburner.
You have no idea how much I hate this dude.
Multiverses are awful as a general rule but multiverses in single-issue stories are just the dumbest, laziest writting hacks to add threats to the plot, even worse than time travel out of nowhere
And his whole reason to be bad it's just too fricking goofy it's not even fun anymore.
Yeah he is one of the lesser villians, like even in the comics and show the maulers and others keep telling him no dumbass "YOU did this to you" not mark or anyone else. He really has this beef for no reason that one guy who could absorb powers and had his life ruined by the chicago incident is a better villian. Purely because he has a decent powerset and he doesn't have some goofy ass reason to hate mark. Mark and his dad fought, mark accidently flies through his family makes perfect sense why he is on a frick Mark mindset even if flawed.
I got the impression from S2E1 that they're changing Levy's motivation in the show to "I have so many memories of other Marks murdering my loved ones and I need to take it out on him," not his memories of the merging itself being warped. Levy is getting revenge for his alternate selves
It seemed apparent just from the post-credit scene but that close-up on the Levy from the world we saw taken over at the start of the episode added to it
Still fairly dumb, but a somewhat better motivation. Also incredible weird their is not a single good mark universe another example of why most people can't write multiverse stuff .Infinity is insanely vast and you are telling me only our character is the good one.
But yeah in general never been a levy fan as he has one of the worst arcs and really is a long running nothingburger villian. I'd rather they skip him and go straight to conquest or evil dictator stuff. I'd even take a show exclusive arc instead of his only good thing is invincible war but that was a fairly short lived thing.
Why is the animation for Invincible so sad and pathetic compared to anime? Watching Invincible then going back to JJK, it's just pathetically laughable how Cinemaphileshit pales in comparison to Cinemaphilenime
Still possible to see her. He clearly got inspired by Martian man, and we and he saw he was known for being good with kids. Maybe things will go our way
If nikki shows up I'd be shocked she only shows up in the comic once, I will literally drawgay for a whole thread for her. I hate how fast the nikki threads get 404'd and really she deserves happiness.
You got the page of her in the comic?
Same lol and I've been wanting to, but the jannies don't like her for some reason so the threads just cease to exist
Is he the same character as the astronaut guy? We saw the fake astronaut guy transforming into an alien just chilling at home but then we cut to this shapeshifter dude lying about his backstory.
the animation is by no means great but i'm noticing it's improved in a lot of scenes in this episode. better than the first episode. is it just me? like when rex is walking toward the shower room.
he is kind of an butthole but he keeps making good points about how Eve isn't ready for the world around her, so I can't see how you think he's supposed to be "cartoonishly evil"
Whether he's ultimately correct doesn't matter. Depict him as an angry, firm, but reasonable character rather than a fricking moron that yells at everything Eve says or does.
you can't be this stupid
like 90% of the characters in the show are depicted to be well meaning, yet either an butthole/stupid/too caught up on their own bullshit
I don't know how to communicate that a show can make a character make good points, but depict the character in such a way that they are the most hateable, despicable person in the universe. Nolan is way more sympathetic than this raging lunatic.
That's exactly what he's saying and you're exactly describing Eve's dad, dumbfrick
He isn't a "lunatic" he literally brings up a good point about Eve's savior complex
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He isn't a "lunatic" he literally brings up a good point about Eve's savior complex
I don't know how to communicate that a show can make a character make good points, but depict the character in such a way that they are the most hateable, despicable person in the universe.
Eve's dad is unironically right about everything and Eve is too thin-skinned to realize it. She doesn't see the logic: he's just harsh in her eyes. But what can you expect from a woman?
When Eve was reconstructing the building I was thinking that could actually be dangerous. Even the construction crew chastised her but the people cheered Eve for it. Glad the episode showed Eve was wrong, they should have actually shown the people in the building either getting killed or heavily injured just to drive home the point
i mean they showed the pics of the mother and daughter that cheered her on as the victims. Also weird subplot to me, as for once a hero is using their power in a truly useful way and they are implying it's bad. This was really a very situational thing in general eve giving food to the poor and helping build houses isn't a bad thing if anything it was purely her putting a house on a poor structure which is more the cities fault. If she had rebuilt the whole building/made it herself I feel it would have been solid.
I honestly don't care about how much you love your shitty father it's a fact that Eve's dad is terrible even then he is right and because he cannot resist being terrible his relationship with his daughter is terrible and it will take her longer to realize where she fricked up than if he, you know, was not terrible and talked with her like she was someone he loved rather than his mortal enemy
6 months ago
Anonymous
That sounds like it's Eve's own problem for being a moronic woman. If you are honestly too much of a pussy or an idiot to realize why people treat you or behave a certain way, there's no point discussing anything with you. People will be harsh towards you when you frick up so you don't do it again. There is no world where doing that politely will get that point across as much. Eve's dad was right, as much as your dumbass wants to b***h and cry about his tone.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Tell me what did he accomplish as a parent all these years talking with her like that including then she was like 5 and acting weird so he essentially called her a moron?
>talked with her like she was someone he loved rather than his mortal enemy
....Did we watch the same show? Do you not know what a lecture sounds like?
I do, what's your point?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Tell me what did he accomplish as a parent all these years talking with her like that including then she was like 5 and acting weird so he essentially called her a moron?
Eve has strong morals and genuinely seeks to do good in the world.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>strong morals >aborts her first pregnancy of a boyfriend she supposedly loves
6 months ago
Anonymous
don't ascribe malice to what can be explained as stupiditiy
6 months ago
Anonymous
None of that comes from him since he constantly tells her not to use her powers at all. Despite her clearly fricking up with that building she saved a lot more lives both as a superhero fighter and as a superhero activist than she threatened and she did this her own violition
Try again, also I mentioned in my previous post that his constant shittyness which displayed to her all his life so shut the frick up about your worthless "he was just giving a lecture" argument ruined their relationship. Address that too please
6 months ago
Anonymous
>None of that comes from him since he constantly tells her not to use her powers at all
He's her father: he's worried she's going to get herself killed. >Despite her clearly fricking up with that building she saved a lot more lives both as a superhero fighter and as a superhero activist than she threatened and she did this her own violition
Saving lives doesn't absolve you of any you cost. Ethics and morals aren't a game of mathematics. That's why it fricks her up to hear that it might've killed people. >Try again, also I mentioned in my previous post that his constant shittyness which displayed to her all his life so shut the frick up about your worthless "he was just giving a lecture" argument ruined their relationship. Address that too please
Yet she still comes back and complains that he doesn't accept her help when in all likelihood she would do the same in his position.
come on man
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He's her father: he's worried she's going to get herself killed
True, he is her father. Also her morals and desire to do good does not come from him as we can clearly see, showing that she did not receive this trait due to his amazing parenting skills. So why did you bring that up? >Saving lives doesn't absolve you of any you cost. Ethics and morals aren't a game of mathematics. That's why it fricks her up to hear that it might've killed people.
True it does not, ethics are not a numbers and she deserved for someone to chew her out for that. I agree. Eve also did not talk back nor did she try to shift the blame, she just left to think about her mistake >Yet she still comes back and complains that he doesn't accept her help when in all likelihood she would do the same in his position. >come on man
Explain what you mean here. I agree that at this point neither father nor daughter would willingly accept help from eachother. And? What does that have to with my argument that he is a shitty father who called her a tard since she was five in the same tone like he is perpetually constipated?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Explain what you mean here. I agree that at this point neither father nor daughter would willingly accept help from eachother. And? What does that have to with my argument that he is a shitty father who called her a tard since she was five in the same tone like he is perpetually constipated?
He didn't call her a tard (though she is). He just acknowledged how off she was. Even she knew it but hated hearing about it. Whenever she'd act up, he brought it to shut her down. It's something your parents do when you're riding a high horse and self-victimizing. It's to remind you that position doesn't get you anywhere in life. She has the same attitude towards Mark when he starts being mopey, and it actually helps out.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I completely agree that she deserved to get a lecture, but what he did or rather did not do was more than notice she was off. He was so invested in his preconceived notion she was special needs he did not loan a chemistry book from a local library and see if she really was a genius. Neither did her mom too come to think of it
6 months ago
Anonymous
he enrolled her into a private school for talented kids, not moronic ones anon
but she only did well in regards to the sciences, which she intrinsically understood
6 months ago
Anonymous
Then I take back my argument
6 months ago
Anonymous
>talked with her like she was someone he loved rather than his mortal enemy
....Did we watch the same show? Do you not know what a lecture sounds like?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm beginning to think anon never had parents.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think the people defending Eve's dad read the comics and know that he's gonna be vindicated and she'll apologize or something. It has to be that. Because this setup is CLEARLY supposed to trick the audience into thinking Eve's dad is an evil piece of shit. Because that's all he is.
So we're supposed to be mindblown that he's actually right. Such terrible writing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
are you a woman?
6 months ago
Anonymous
No. You can be a guy and not enjoy dads that just yell at their daughters and call them morons/special needs.
6 months ago
Anonymous
you are moronic, anon
6 months ago
Anonymous
You don't have to worship your dad if he was a dick to you. You don't have to hate him either. You can just think "It wasn't cool that he insulted me and called me moronic and yelled at me." No need to defend abusive behavior.
6 months ago
Anonymous
my dude, my dad literally walked out on my family
i have every reason to hate him, but he was actually doing a pretty good job for the times he was in my life
what you call abusive behavior isn't anything near the real thing
6 months ago
Anonymous
No such thing as real thing. It's all a spectrum
6 months ago
Anonymous
spectrums are for homosexuals and queers
are you a homosexual queer?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Are you a stereotypical chud?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Actually you make sense to me now
The trauma of your father leaving makes you incapable of recognising shitty behaviour. I bet you would have preffered a shitty father over no father
Basically you are mentally ill and biased and your opinions on this topic are worthless
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's funny because you haven't made a single good point about how eve's dad is actually shitty
he's just a meanie bo beanie
I think what sucks about the writing on Eve's dad is that he's clearly the wrong person to be delivering the message she's supposed to learn.
Like, the lesson she's supposed to learn (it's bad for her to go around like having the power to fix problems gives her the wisdom to know how to *correctly* fix them) is valid and good for her, but why the frick is the show delivering that message through her butthole "stay with your cheating boyfriend don't know men are just like that and you should just put up with it" shitheel dad?
in every fricking conversation? It's annoying as frick. god this show is so shit. I just stopped caring about whatever the frick was happening in the middle of the second episode.
I don't really like what they're doing with Debbie's arc. Having her be a complete wreck for weeks was kind of important for Mark's stuff. Perhaps I'm just misremembering the timeline but I think they've pretty much skipped past the point where she gets drunk off her ass and says Why'd you make him leave, Mark? or whatever the line is.
Also wasn't a fan of how they changed the fishwife story but I'm guessing they wanted more action or something.
Why won't Cecil just make a bunch of those cyborgs but stuff them full of experimental bombs and put audio based weapons in their throats?
Oh and give them a flight pack
Why is everyone in this show such an unlikable c**t?
>William is a homosexual and nothing more >Amber is self-explanatory >Cecil is a wannabe Nick Fury who fumbles the bag >Debbie is a stronk wahmen >Eve is a feminist c**t >Duplikate is a bawd >Robot is ok but he gets ruined later >Rex exists solely to be an unlikable ass >Mark is a non-character, has no personality >Every single dad in the show is a deadbeat or abusive except for a literal nog thug >Immortal is a pedo and a poser (win a fight first before acting like hot shit lmao) >Cringe feminist undertone >Extreme levels of forced diversity, there must be a mudskin in literally every scene >Lots of racemixing (of course)
This show is fricking DOGSHIT LOL! I was rooting for Nolan to kill everyone at the end of last season.
>Bro pls read the comic bro I swear it’s better bro pls
No.
Oh wow, it did, I thought it was coming out tomorrow.
same
Timezone shit
Let's get this over with
Would you?
I don't approve of them changing the fish wedding
Yes.
But I think that first background fish lady looks better.
there's just something about that fish. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about that fish
>kill king of Atlantis
>immediately get told to frick a fish
Weird flex, but okay. Do you think Nolan would have done it?
I'm surprised that was kept. I figured it'd be too weird for test audiences or something.
It's pretty well established in the comic that Nolan is down to frick all kinds of weird shit
>The IU managed to narrowly avoid a timeline of Gilltrumites that can hold their breath even longer and control water
They can already hold their breath for literally weeks maybe even months at a time, how much more do you want?
I'll be honest I was gonna say "that don't need to hold their breath in space" at first but fish can't breathe in space so I lost the plot 🙁 I just though Gilltrumites would be funny.
It is funny, Anon. I'd love to see your Gilltrumites eating the space worms
>fish king leaves the throne
>his queen takes over
>abolishes the marriage law for being barbaric (presumably towards women)
>institutes a new form of bloodsport in its place that gets several innocents killed
Heh.
i do believe that was the joke anon
it's a no from me but I gotta admit whether its being underwater or just fish genes I gotta admit that fish has a nice rack. wonder why the fish guy wasn't interested in staying home with her
Has big tiddy, yesh, dumbass
Yes
I wouldn't even hesitate, look at those massive non-mammalian mommy milkers
>averts a war between land and sea
I'll do it. For my people
She had me at breasts
>Immortal and Duplikate already
Huh, expected that to come in later
they butchered Immortal's character. I guess they want him to be cool and since he's done nothing but get his shit wrecked he needs to cuck Rex who is also butchered and has been boring and brow beaten the entire season thus far. Immortal already gets a bone when he becomes an honorable father and resistor of tyrants, also they skipped his cabin incel arc. all this just screams pandering to the normalgays that don't like to accept that Jim Morrison was a fat neckbeard when he died and was a fat kid growing up and think he was like that one photoshoot he did when slumming in venice beach terminally.
Rex cucked himself by being a flaky homosexual to such a degree he gave a woman commitment issues, and all of this shit he's getting is, not quite canon, but pretty fricking close.
Wouldn't be surprised if we get an Imortal special later. They really didn't butcher his character beyond making him less up front jackassey and have good reason to not loving trust Mark.
The not avengers at the moment suck and need training. Duplicate being a prostitute now rather than later changes nothing other than 3 some jokes.
frick u talking about goddamn fricking moron
stop falling for namegay autism bait
They really shuffled things around with this episode. Completely different from comics. Guess RK hated that arc or something
oh you're goddamn fricking moron with literal nothing better to do than waste away with no potential, no talent, no abilities, with a tard wrangler to handle your finances until your brain degenerates enough that you accidentally try fo frick an electric outlt. that's the only brain thing in question, one year? two at most and that's it for ya.
Guy you do realize no one gives a frick about your autism, right?
goddamn fricking moron such things as off topic exist so please exhume yourself from living as most haste.
I've never seen a show make every scene have litearlly every rainbow kind of person
Everyone is some form of brown
>Women construction boss
LMAO
what did you expect man
>raceswap main character from white to korean
>raceswap mc's mom to korean
>raceswap amber from white to black
>raceswap rexplosion from white to latino
>make the mc's best friend flamingly flamboyantly gay from the moment he is introduced
No the mother and the main character were very strongly asian coded in the comic. It was very clearly a wmaf relationship, and mark and the mother are drawn at least somewhat asian
Others have called mark “mystery meat” (and I think you can at least concede that) but in particular I do think they were asian in the comic especially bc of their eyes, and also the woman’s body shape suggests something more asian than white.
>asian coded
just read what you wrote and see if it sounds sane to you
>the mother and the main character were very strongly asian coded in the comic
No they were not, she looks Greek or Italian. (Debbie has a pointy jaw, no slanted eyes, jet black hair, thin frame). I have a Sicilian relative who looks like her.
Kirkman, though, gave an interview about how making them ambiguous made it so all sorts of people could insert as them. I don't he meant them to be anything in particular.
>making them ambiguous made it so all sorts of people could insert as them.
No one darker than a Hispanic would be able to self insert as mark. Really only whites or asians can do it easily.
>very strongly asian coded
/co/mblr pls go
Debby looks nothing like Kate in the comics, who is Asian. Debby's just has dark hair. Nothing wrong with the change though. Her personality has also been a lot more interesting the show.
>make the mc's best friend flamingly flamboyantly gay from the moment he is introduced
that was always going to happen
they were never going to do the LOL GAY joke in this decade
>make the mc's best friend flamingly flamboyantly gay from the moment he is introduced
I am sure you would have loved this show to have Eve dating Wiliam just to piss off Mark arc and William comes out arc
Dont worry on the show Mark will date William to piss of Eve. We love a bisexual king.
Only if they keep the abortion thing too
We love bisexual love triangle abortion drama
>No bisexual threesome between William/Mark/Eve
You had ONE job show.
Didn't you applaud Invincible two years ago for its artstyle not being "Calarts"?
The guy is legit insane and thinks we're all either in the industry or trying to break into it. Apparently he's been emailing them constantly trying to get people fired.
I don't get it. I almost hope it's a larp for his sake
No one can give their opinion here, if pathetic morons like you run your beta b***h mouth you will shut the frick up when commanded to
>Still no breakup with annoying black woman
>Fish people abolish marriage by contract instead of having Mark throw it vs the advisor guy
>Home purchasing guy is portrayed as a dick for not wanting to spend a solid chunk of his day going to and from the office
>Home purchasing guy is portrayed as a dick
it's not about how valid his points were, it's about the way he spoke to his partner which shows an underlying lack of respect.
>Home purchasing guy is portrayed as a dick for not wanting to spend a solid chunk of his day going to and from the office
he was a legit dick, i hope his wife lefts him like everyone left you.
Lol. You redditors only have one comeback and that's projecting your relationship insecurities onto everyone else
>Home purchasing guy is portrayed as a dick for not wanting to spend a solid chunk of his day going to and from the office
lmao if you watched that scene and thought that guy's behavior was reasonable.
What the frick is eve's power again?
>I can make anything into anything else
???
Full Metal Alchemist alchemy, basically.
That and Star Sapphire
I didn’t think she could make organic matter or affect it except during her power spikes, yet she was making trees and food here.
I think she eventually could, like it was some kind of mental restriction that was placed on her in her youth so she wouldn't grow too powerful. But eventually she removed that restriction and effectively became immortal, anytime she dies her body just spontaneously recreates itself, like when Conquest punched a hole through her
Atoms are the building blocks of matter, she can rearrange them into anything she wants. So basically water into gold, gold into chicken, whatever. She's Doctor Femhattan
How is this not the most broken power in the entire universe again?
Plot induced stupidity mainly.
She also usually can't use her powers on living things
Are plants not living things?
gubberment done messed with her brain while she was still in the woom. I guess they diddn't have an issue with grass and the like
you know damn well how a vegetarian can eat plants right, her powers are vegetarian, as of now.
but she can see the structure of things like a rearrangeable puzzle.
Comic originally limits her powers to non-living matter, Extra episode of the amazon series explained it as limited to anything that's not animals or people.
because her brain is also wired to not frick up living things.
she basically has a lil bit of mental dust that stops the onslaught that she could be.
No inherent understanding of the universe instead she's an artificial genius and can see atomic structure of objects and more importantly she has a hard block against manipulating organic matter so she can turn inorganic into organic but something already organic is untouchable unless she's dying in which case the block temporarily lifts so she can manipulate her own body to keep her alive
I still don't get how it's not the most OP thing in the world, she can basically make Atomic bombs by breaking any nucleus apart, or just encase anyone into obsidian or Diamond trapping them forever
Frick, make all the air around a person into Carbon dioxide and they pass out in
Make it into fricking poisonous gas and they insta die
this shit is dumb
>this shit is dumb
Welcome to the majority of capeshit.
Why is it so hard to make a basic power, and than think of creative ways to use it rather than make OP powers but use them in the most uncreative ways?
Or if you have OP powers are least place limitations on them that the average viewer could figure out
When did the West lose it's autism trait? the 90's?
How come only Japs sit down and write out every single rule for their powers?
Any power that needs a diagram to explain it is convoluted and the average viewer isn't going to follow it.
That power is not creative. It is blatantly stolen from Jojo bizarre adventure diavolo
HxH steals from every other popular manga
His is blatantly untrue you moron
Honestly the main reason is just cause it’s hard to make powers that are both cinematic and weird.
I’m trying to write my own cape horror story and this is a problem I keep running into. I even have a character who like Eve is basically a Fem Manhattan except she retains her connection to humanity through a monthly drug. just like Atom Eve I struggle to figure out how to balance her as an OP character. It’s really all about balancing the themes, creativity, and weirdness while still being sympathetic
>Honestly the main reason is just cause it’s hard to make powers that are both cinematic and weird.
No it's not
There are 8 arcs of JoJo that can prove this
Just because it can be done well doesn’t mean it isn’t hard
It’s a skill that must be practiced and built up with time
For your story, seems like the easiest way is to require some kind of internal energy, so the more impressive the effects the more energy she uses up and it takes her a while to recuperate. This means that using her powers to do something incredible could leave her completely useless for a long time, which works for your horror setups.
Or have other intrinsically magical creatures which are powerful and resistant to offensive magic
>she can basically make Atomic bombs by breaking any nucleus apart, or just encase anyone into obsidian or Diamond trapping them forever
She doesn't want to nuke people or trap them forever, and neither of those moves would work on Viltrumites.
What's so hard to understand?
>She doesn't want to
Immobilize targets so they're not a threat?
>and neither of those moves would work on Viltrumites.
Litearlly just this episode it was told that Alt-Nolan got killed by a bomb
Eve at any point can make microscopic bombs that shoot up the nose of any Vilturmite and blow up all of their internal organs
Or release a chemical that turns their blood to poison
Or make a virus
Or litearllly anything
How can you defend this moronation so vehemently?
Eve isn't a genius nor does she have complete control over everything. Making something incredibly complex/dangerous could easily get out of hand. It also takes time, which is why she settles on her pink energy which is instant.
She isn't magic you moron. She is literally building shit atom by atom or converting it all step by step.
Its "simple" to make an apple (even if its organic) into gold that isn't moving. A whole different ball park to count for a moving target interacting with atoms at different aspects with each atom having to be spun up into its own thing to make what ever her end goal is. Think of it like trying to knit a sweater on somebody attempting to beat your ass in.
>I still don't get how it's not the most OP thing in the world
It is, in the comic it's implied she was created as a contingency against rouge superheroes.
> she can basically make Atomic bombs by breaking any nucleus apart
correct
>or just encase anyone into obsidian or Diamond trapping them forever
yes
>Frick, make all the air around a person into Carbon dioxide and they pass out in
Make it into fricking poisonous gas and they insta die
Yes
but the reason she doesn't is because she doesn't actually want to kill anyone.
>obsidian or diamond
Black person this isn't minecraft
Handshakes are faster than diamond cutting.
Good reaction picture!
Remember in the atom eve special how op versatile and insane her powers were. She can't do that because she's not the mc also it's the same reason for the blocker she'd nerf anything against her. I will say I believe it's added bonus she's a good guy so murder is wrong to her.
Bc the powerlevels in the comic is nuts a few nukes wouldn’t do anything to any of the main antagonists
With her “blocks” off she degloves a main antagonist at one point and doesn’t do much else
The viltrumites fly through planets, destorying them, and battle on the surface of the sun and it’s not just viltrumites there’s numerous animals and other characters that are threatening to them
It’s just a crazy comic with lots of scope later
>something already organic is untouchable
homie she turned pinecones into frickin beer lol
are you gonna tell me pinecones aren't organic
its a mental blocl, guess Eve doesnt percieve them as organic
Because she can be killed
>he doesn't know
According to the comic? Not really. During a fatal experience such as impalement or old age, she resets, the latter even resulting in a 30s body
Because her devil fruit hasn't awaken yet silly.
it's super powerful but
>can't use it on people (usually)
>when she can use it on people, it's strong
>unless it's a viltrumite because they're really dense or something
It kind of is in the running for "most broken power". Eve ends up living a life no other person could ever have later on
Because she's Dr. Manhattan without the understanding or ability to affect organic matter outside of a brief moment when she's in mortal danger.
Other anons mostly explained it but it bears mentioning that the psychological conditioning that stops her from affecting living things was intentionally implanted by the shadowy evil dudes who experimented on her to deliberately nerf her. Under extreme circumstances or, like, literally insanity she would easily be the strongest character in the series.
Female characters in Invincible are incompetent jobbers and not smart. It's funny, actually. Just like in Naruto. That's why Kirkman trying to pass off as a male feminist is so funny to me.
Doesn't Mark get raped by a female villain?
Oh, of course. I forgot to add, and pretty much all females are despicable human beings or outright villains.
Kishimoto writes the most realistic females and no one will convince me otherwise
She can die tho, if she face someone who can vaporize her in seconds then she cant resurrect like always she does
it is, she is basically immortal in the comics
How long does a viltrimite live? I always figured Mark would be the first one out of them to die
The comics never gave exact ages for any viltrumite afaik, viltrumites always talked about thousands of years as vague as possible.
Implication seems to be that Viltrumites dont exactly die from old age, but die in relative old age to something that beats the shit out of them.
And despite having all that power, she still jobs to Viltrumites
She jobs to them because making a material tougher than a viltrumite aint exactly easy, once the limiter breaks she's unstoppable though, her strength varies the most of anyone in the series, when shes normal shes probably weaker than immortal when her limiter is broken she's the strongest being in the series by far
Listen dude I get what you're doing here but that is such bullshit. That'd be like if Molecule Man jobbed to Thor.
She is not exactly Dr. Manhattan, he had no limits, meanwhile Hickman placed several limits on Eve, first, there's the mental block preventing from messing with with human/animal matter, second, even if the mental block is bypassed (when she is about to die, or extreme mental trauma) her body is like a conversion module so even with her powers at maximum Eve is using her own matter to alter others, so she can EVERYTHING with a catch: she cannot convert the entire world through her tiny body, and what she can convert through herself will get her exhausted eventually.
That's why Eve is dead scared of using her powers too much when she is pregnant with Terra, her powers would literally use fetus as conversion fodder
With that catch, she would have all the reasons to get as fat and big as possible
The Markitect has you covered
I'm ngl I really love the artstyle of Invincible, it's action packed but doesn't try going for an anime artstyle which a lot of American action cartoons try doing, I honestly think other cape cartoons should take notes
Budget DCAU and it works.
mediocre episode imo
kept jumping around from scene to scene with no cohesion and a lot of it felt like redundant bullshit
The whole season will probably be more of the same
Yeah there's way too many plotlines happening at once jumping from character to character people we really have zero reason to care about. Like it's trying to be game of thrones but without the necessary hour long episodes to flesh each character out.
it was fricking abysmal.
>get ready to marry our queen
>wait nevermind silly we abolished savage practices like that (but not the whole sins of the father thing)
>we replaced the 'savage practice' with a public monster battle against an underwater kaiju from the marianas trench
>we cut the best part of the fight out so that you have more time to watch mark's mom get angry at the black male white female couple because the man is in charge
what the frick is the writing in this thing
>get angry at the black male white female couple because the man is in charge
That's not why she was angry.
it was tho
>>we replaced the 'savage practice' with a public monster battle against an underwater kaiju from the marianas trench
i am almost certain that is the joke
I don't think it's a joke. It feels like the writers/Kirkman apologizing for the "Mark avoids marrying the fish by having her butler marry her instead" story by just making it your usual "fight lions in the arena" story.
It waa a very much bridge episode in that most of it was basically just setting up various future plot points.
>D-donald...?
So he'll figure out that they rebuilt him as a cyborg at some point in the series and have a bit of a breakdown before eventually pulling himself together right?
i wonder if it will be that or they gonna go with the clones with a backup brain
I laughed
I don't get it
Remember those thugs Darkwing captured in Episode 1 but left when he got the signal to go back to HQ?
NTA but holy frick that is EXTREMELY fricking dark...
That's why it's called Midnight City.
holy shit
my fricking sides
Rewatched the first season last week, when Darkwing leavs them think
huh, wonder how they get down after he dies'
I chuckled.
You type like a bonobo ape with severe brain damage. Meds. Now.
how many scenes of marks mom crying do we need. ive counted like 4 or 5 in the first 2 episodes
I agree it’s kinda heavy handed, hopefully they’ll actually go somewhere with it soon and it won’t be “Marks mom is le sad” all season
The consequences of giving screen time to a character who wasn’t that important in the comics because she’s voiced by a name.
Mark might still be coping about not wanting to be like his dad. But he just got his weakness ratted out by a version of him that is. Poetic irony!
what was the point of this scene
He was getting the captured
Markus "Mark" Grayson to spill how he got captured in exchange for their freedom. Which he didn't grant. It hypes up their future showdown!
donald breasts
Levy acquires information via alternate universe so he can get revenge on the Mark in the main timeline
>Hey Mark how did you rekt?
>oh they nuked dad and after awhile i fell asleep and they took me away
>thx i will use this information to kill you in another universe
Link your homosexual webcomic if you wanna prove you’re the western animation equivalent of the Messiah that you constantly fricking claim to be
Why does mark look way more Asian in some scenes than others
dunno, i think they meant to make him look more beat this time around instead, with the constant bags under his eye and expressions.
Friendly reminder that Dinosaurs was right
Some anti industry pysopist is trying to steal my identity. I actually love that invincible sticks to the cal arts style of animation, I personally find it to be refreshing and much better than Ron J or whatever his name is’s style of animation.
>Lens breaks in the ocean
>Mark doesn't scream in agony
Seriously?
How the frick do people swim in the ocean without gear?
It's fricking saltwater on your eyes
he's a Viltrumite, they're built different. Just don't think too hard about it
I mean
>Breathes in Space
>Needs an oxygen tank underwater
I don't get it either
in Space
Viltrumites don't breathe in space
They just hold their breath for a very, very long time
It was to help him talk underwater, moron
Have you never swam in the ocean anon? It's really not that hard.
why is duplikate like this
immortal got some mad dicking abilities, and welp THE BEARD
Reminder The Immortal is an American Dictator:
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Raz0rbros...
>Let me break it down for you, Mark. Your mother and I have a relationship that's all about a master/slave dynamic. When I said she was more like a pet to me, I meant that in the most literal way possible. Remember that time you found a dog collar under the couch and I told you it's because we were getting you a dog? That was a lie, son. Truthfully, your mom likes it when I put her on a leash and walk her around the back yard. She's usually naked, of course. I can't explain why, but the whole thing is her idea. She'll piss on tress, sleep in dog cages, chew up furniture -- she once took a full-sized, adult woman shit in my Dockers. Your mother is one fricked-up bawd, Mark. And I love her, but I'm not bringing that energy back to Viltrum with me. Frankly? She scares me sometimes. I don't know who molested her or how they did it, but there is some dark juju in that woman's head and I just don't know if I'm strong enough to frick it all away.
She just prefers Lincoln logs to pop rocks
asian genes
She canonically wants bwc
Immortal's long life has allowed him to rule over many harems, during which time he acquired the dexterity to fully pleasure multiple women at once. Kate's connected senses allow her to achieve a simultaneous quadra-orgasm when Immortal uses each hand, his mouth, and his dick.
Immortal sits on Kate's face while fingering two with his hands and eating and dicking other two
Ah yes, real artistic skill, much like you demonstrate in your webcomic! Truly, it must enact a heavy toll on you, all those hours languishing hitting the refresh button on Dall-E until you get just the right metallic play doh dragon. How can modern day animators hope to compete against a work ethic of such magnitude?
How long until bugussy planet
Eventually
>Quantum bombs
Were those in the comics?
Is anyone else kinda pissed at the dialogue? They can't write adversarial characters for shit, their dial only has "overly-conciliatory" and "complete dickhead"
-Guy who talks to "Russ" and puts him on leave
-Construction worker
-Black house-hunter
-Kate
-Eve's dad
They don't sound familiar, I could be forgetting.
>-Kate
>-Eve's dad
These are comic accurate
No, Eve's dad wasn't introduced until later and this little subplot didn't exist, and his anti-super-power position didn't exist. But i'm focusing mostly on the dialogue; adding in lines that don't mean much, aren't persuasive, don't reveal anything about the story, etc.
Kate for example makes a remark about non-workplace appropriate talk - to the co-worker she had sex with, as her other multiples are having sex with her boss. Rex is unlikable, Kate is unlikable, immortal is unlikable - much moreso than the comic (except immortal who was explicitly an butthole)
Eve's dad says
>Your powers don't make you a hero, they make you dangerous!
No attempt to reason, even angrily, no addressing the obvious logical flaws in that statement, just have him make sweeping statements, make him overemotional, crank that shit up to eleven.
You can have essentially the same scenes and story progression with less clumsy writing.
I'm surprised the black home buyer didn't kick a puppy on his way out.
>Kate for example makes a remark about non-workplace appropriate talk - to the co-worker she had sex with
She broke up with Rex specifically because he lied to her about already breaking up with Eve when they had sex
no she didn't, kate was a cheating bawd she just settled for immortal. Rex deserved it but it was never a big reveal it was just an excuse to reuse that one eve panel with Rex. Sad they didn't use the scene I wanted to see it animated so badly be perfect meme gif.
>I'm surprised the black home buyer didn't kick a puppy on his way out.
Implying he didn't.
Probably the reason the mail box is golden.
>no addressing the obvious logical flaws in that statement, just have him make sweeping statements, make him overemotional, crank that shit up to eleven.
Uh, what logical flaws? The statement is not inaccurate, even if it is sort of irrelevant.
The danger was in a sinkhole that already existed, it didn't have anything to do with her powers. It baffles me why the writers didn't make the corner of the building she repaired collapse or hurt someone, that would actually have been Eve's fault and would tie in with the argument she had with the construction worker.
Haha just wait untill we get to "that" moment
>Hits pipe
I think you mean
>hits pan
Otley's art is too fricking funny sometimes, these angry faces can't be taken seriously by me.
please remind me of the context or just point at the chapter I beg
Issue 97. The context is this
cheers bruv
Bro never read a Kirkman comic
>-Guy who talks to "Russ" and puts him on leave
He did nothing wrong nor was he being an butthole about it. An astronaut needs to be in peak mental health to do his job which can be life threatening. He did the responsible thing making him take leave.
I can comprehend that reading this made me feel really fricking bad for you. Either take your meds or write your ramblings on the wall in shit like schizo’s are supposed to, not on a Cambodian basket weaving forum.
I'm aware Immortal and Kate are a thing in the comics but could they really not have them exchange a single line of dialogue between two episodes before they started fricking?
>Kate at first goes for the brash hot-headed 20 something smart-ass
>pendulum swings the other way and now she's into the strong, silent leader type
doesn't seem too far fetched tbh, yea they could have built it up more but to me it just feels like she's metaphorically thinking with her dick and swapping one frick for another. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a scene later in the show where she asks something like "what are we?" and gets disappointed by the answer
How many people has Kate fricked in that shower?
That was so out of the blue for me it was just weird. Which guardian was he fricking before Nolan turned them all to jelly if he's this much of a poon hound.
So… A 6/10 is a fair rating for this episode, right? It just seemed like this episode was all over the place and tried to cram too many things into one episode.
Admit it, the change was necessary.
I honestly cannot fathom her and Omniman getting back together in the later seasons like in the comic. I don't think they'll have the balls.
The only way they'll end up together again is for Nolan to somehow apologize wholeheartedly to a fuming Debbie, even crying in front of her - only for her to cry back and express how much she miss him and all.
Yeah, kind of sappy and hypocritical even for Debbie, but it'll showcase how madly in love Debbie is to Nolan(a trait she is showing already in episode 8 season 1) that she is willing to compromise just to have him back again.
This was better
>LE strong woman trope that don't need no man
Nolan choose her because she's a pet, not because he wants fricking sass from some le strong women
This makes more fricking sense than whatever that outburst was in the show
She wasn't actually a pet to him, anon
>Nolan choose her because she's a pet
Well first, Nolan is straight up lying to himself. But even at face value he just he meant that he can't OTP someone who lives x100 shorter life, not that he doesn't care and respect her (as he clearly does).
It's weird how the comics just sorta stroll on by that eventual issue.
Incel missed the point like always
>Nolan choose her because she's a pet
that may be how it starts, but not how it ends,
viltrumites get crazy domesticated by humans.
all that fighting warrior shit kinda fades
why doesn't Atom Eve make her parents not fat?
She can't frick with sentient beings remember?
Also, she left fruit
They completely fricked up William's joke, as that other anon feared. Now it makes no sense. Or perhaps it's only related to "Mark is always on the job", it's so shit.
context?
Consentual fun between two loving adults that frick like animals whenever given the chance.
Why is Debbie like this?
I mean can you imagine Mark seeing this? Like wow I mean thats traumatizing hahaha
they try to make mark's mom scenes sad and dramatic but the only thing i feel is that she needs a good dicking from someone new.
So does Eve ever reconcile with her dad?
In the show and in some of snippets i have seen posted here in the comics he always seems to be painted in a negative light, but I think a lot of points that he made make a lot of sense even if he is kinda a dick about it.
I can imagine a father would be worried about the all the shit her daughter dealt with while fighting as a super hero.
I don't think I would want my teenage daughter to fight against shit like the fricking flaxans either.
I think it's also very morally upstanding of him to never even have thought of exploiting's eve power to get rich.
I don't know how many people would do the same as him.
I think I saw a panel later on where he actually managed to say something nice about her.
Yeah, that's the one.
Why are the expressions making me laugh?
Because they look like human beaver people, like some kind of "we turned the chipmunks into humans!" cartoon episode. It's fricking great.
>but I think a lot of points that he made make a lot of sense even if he is kinda a dick about it.
That's pretty much his entire character, he's a well meaning butthole.
You see, modern society is plagued by this strange pussiness. Everyone is afraid of telling the truth. And I don't mean the regular truth. I mean really fricking harsh truth. And, as evidence in the comic, it's that Eve can't fight for shit and should stay home lest she be raped, murdered, and eaten. Not necessarily in that order.
Was surprised that they're already setting up the Viltrumites' weakness with the loud frequency so soon since that will only start to become relavant by like season five
Cecil rigs an earpiece to do the same thing and uses it against Mark in a scene that will probably be like next season at the latest.
It gets used in the white room ambush which is coming up pretty soon.
So the new title card is hinting at Mark getting the black blue suit by the end of the season?
God I hope not. Always preferred the blue and yellow over this
You think Robert Kirkman has an asian fetish?
I’m wondering what’s up with the whole Twins thing
>Dupli Kate/Multi Paul
>Thrag’s kids
>Bulletproof and his brother
>Oliver and his kids
>also technically the Mauler TWINS
Did the protagonist of Firepower cheat on his white wife?
Link?
I can't find any links to watch this for free anywhere, so I've had to get Prime. Shit sucks, man.
why not just get flixtor?
I wish you had told me about this eight hours ago.
I thought they'd give William a reason why he wasn't in the first episode with Mark, but they didn't, and likely cut him for time instead.
Eve’s dad make me rage so hard
Did they take out this scene or does this come later?
Might come later although there’s a similar scene where she physically pushes him away with her hand because she’s so ashamed and broken from Mark seeing her have an alcoholic meltdown in her kitchen
In the end of Invincible Mark ends up largely pretty alienated from humanity, to the point where his daughter has to talk him down from committing genocide when one species tries to pull some shit once too many. In the end all of the needs of the many moral quandries they keep throwing at him wear him down and he just doesn't care anymore.
I'm honestly wondering if they'll go the same route in this adaptation considering how much time is dedicated just to covering mark's grief and regret. I feel like they're bound to change either that or Debbie forgiving him, especially since Nolan goes out of his way to be cruel and sadistic a lot more in this version.
Morals in the comic have always been fricked up and rubbed me the wrong way. I wonder if they'll keep the abortion. That shit turned me against Mark and Eve immediately. Not like they were very likeable in the first place but still.
Kek the abortion is not staying, Eve is a total c**t in the comics with her dating William to mark jealous and all the fighting and abortions
...isn't William a literal homosexual?
William only came out of the closet midway through the story in the comic. He started out performatively homophobic actually (retrofitted as him trying to hide being gay) and dated Eve for a bit. Eve was able to tell he was gay because of how uninterested he was in her sexually IIRC
The abortion thing is definitely getting cut, no way will they do it, it would only make people think that eve is the worst choice possible for mark
>it would only make people think that eve is the worst choice possible for mark
>worse than AMBER
Never happening, ever. Amber is so tainted that people are reacting violently when she's on screen even despite the writers' blatant attempts to sell her relationship to Mark in Season 2 by writing her as a different character entirely.
Mark still ultimately ended becoming a paragon, remember "The Viltrumite way"?
>tfw Shrinking Rae may die in the next ep.
>tfw they are killing off the cutest girl in the super team.
Tbh I was expecting them to develop her character a lot more in S2 early on so that her sudden death will come off as even more shocking.
Same, I wanted more. She is cute, and probably the only gender swap I am okay with. Probably for the best, they would probably frick her up somehow.
I don't think so, I'm pretty sure Shrinking Ray died in the same fight that Rex did and that doesn't come until some time later.
No Shrinking Ray dies sooner whereas Rexsplode dies during the Invincible War
Ray in the comics dies during the upcoming battle with the cobra group, in fact everyone in that half of the team dies but Rex and Kate. The other half of the group deals with the space parasites.
iirc Kate does die but comes back in a twist a while later when her brother starts shit
Yeah, that's kinda what I mean. Kate can't exactly die because she plays it smart. Leaves a clone in a safehouse, just in case. It's what I would do too.
Next episode is about Allen the Alien and the Coalition of Planets so I wonder how people will react to pic related, it'd be funny if they don't even show what happens to him after that and just leave it as a cliffhanger
Omni-Man's lines in Mortal Kombat, they actually namedrop Thragg here
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They reference conquest as well
He makes a cameo in the Tower ending but I don't think he's actually mentioned.
Ragnars too
>Who are you Damian Darkblood's girlfriend?
So why do so many versions of Mark join his father? The one glimpse we caught of an AU Mark showed that he had a very strange value system, is the "main" timeline one of the few where he wasn't born a psychopath?
Yes, they're showing it more in the show but in the comic, Angstrom explains that Mark is or turns evil in most universes.
Presumably the other versions got their powers sooner and Nolan never got as attached to Earth.
Well considering in one timeline the Immortal is still alive, it's likely Mark got his powers sooner rather than later. Even if that wasn't the case, it seems like Omni-man may have just went about things differently, maybe explaining Viltrum to him properly.
The other universe's Debbies weren't as kinky as the main Nolan's was. Less reason to stay good.
The slice we see just happens to be evil.
Damn, the show is making Adam worse than he was in the comics, Hickman is going full strawman misogynist with him without any redeeming qualities with him form the show? In the comics his final scene served to show he wasn't a complete piece of shit and loved Eve in his own way.
But he’s still got a point, having someone magic up a solution is completely undermining the concept of working for what you and many others are doing, he means well but is an butthole just like the comic
He wasn't a complete piece of shit but he was still a piece of shit in the comics
Adam was a manageable piece of shit in the comics, his worst tirade was calling Eve used goods when thanking Mark for rescuing his "bawd" of a daughter from a future where no good men would ever pursue a serious relationship with Eve anymore. He also benefited from having less appearances to even start acting like an ass in the first place, so the next time we see him with Eve as a mom he is just annoyed to see her breastfeeding a kid in the presence of a man, after that he actually eases down and Eve in the final panel Adam is ever seen she is surprised Adam is not so bad anymore.
The show is going heavy handed on Adam's approach, and since the show portrays itself as more serious than the often goofy comics, he looks less like a caricature and more of a straight bad parent.
He was a bad parent in the comics too, just because he had less appearances there overall doesn't change the fact that he was still an butthole in the majority of times that he did.
To me this episode he came of as someone who has some set of principles. He maybe unpragmatic bust still somewhat principled
Adam was always a ridiculous, deranged c**t. Remember the monologue he gives Mark?
See
He is worse in the show, in the comics he didn't tell Eve to just put up with Rex cheating on her, saying that's just what men do. In comics he didn't seem to have double standards for men, he was sexist in the sense he expected women to act a certain way, but wasn't vouching for men acting like shit and excusing with that's what men do.
Honestly he came off more redeemable this ep. He was dead on about earning your own way and reckless use of power has consequences.
In comics hes just pure classic Dad who gets one redeeming page.
What has he said that is actually wrong? Really, he's just harsh, but he has a point every time. Rex is a stupid teenager, Eve isn't old enough to even drink, her powers are fricking absurd, and trying to benefit from them will only bring them problems from potential super villains.
Wrong person friend? I'm 100% saying that in show.
Comics he is over protective to point of boxing Eve and trying to force older ideas on her that have been proven again and again to not work and just produce rebellious kids. He snaps at her for using her power in any form rather than even giving suggestions or guidance on better uses.
In both he has been wrong to treat her like a freak and 1800s fragile maiden act just isn't going to work.
Nolan is also considerably worse in the show. It's important to remember that shit like the train scene where he goes out of his way to emotionally break Mark by murdering people doesn't really happen, his kills are incidental in the comic. They're definitely going to change how some emotional arcs play out in the long run- Debbie definitely isn't going to jump into Nolan's arms the first time she sees him, for example.
It's weird seeing people on other sites talk about how Nolan was right and Earth should have just surrendered because it's for their own good when Nolan literally kills a shit ton of people to show his pure disdain for Earth. And this is the guy who lived here for years and felt conflicted about his mission, not the other Viltrumites who wouldn't give a shit.
Like it or not, there is literally fricking nothing anyone in that universe can do against a united Viltrumite threat. A force so vastly superior you are more akin to an ant than an opponent. Sure, we've got technology, but that's extremely situational at best and a limiting crutch at worst. I wouldn't say fighting back is wrong, but fighting back is just going to make the galactic-tier raping worse. I'd throw in the towel and hope I get some curious Viltrumite woman who has nothing better to do to take me as a pet if I'm not worked to death in mines or made an example of.
them appearing in eve's special as a legitimate threat to the guardians of the globe was some brilliant foreshadowing
When do you figure we're getting conquest, end of season 3?
Possibly, with Season 2 being just Levy the next one should be about the Invincible War, the hook for Season 4 could only be Conquest.
That also means we are stuck with Mark with Amber all the way to Season 3 as well, things will only shift towards Eve after that.
Feel like Kirkman subtly confirmed Conquest was in season three since he said that there are characters who appeared in S1 but not S2 that will definitely return in S3.
I hope so
Surprising that her skull didn't just immediately caved in from that punch. We do have to remember that Atom Eve is still very much human in body.
Reduced momentum from the barriers.
I think conquest showing after invincible war is perfect, Mark gets completely wiped out only to the second strongest vilitrumite to show up and be completely unreasonable and proceed to ruin Mark's life, it's so good it's no wonder he sticks in everyones mind
Invincible War is probably the penultimate episode while Conquest is the season three finale.
How much Conquest appears in Season 3 will be directly proportional to how much of a big deal the Invincible War will be in the show. I just don't get the felling the show will actually have focus on the the five or so evil Marks like in the comics among the dozens of fodder ones, they don't have all the Image Comics heroes to fight against them. The crazy Mark who's obsessed with Eve was the only evil Mark that had actual substance and more appearances in the comic so I think they should focus on him.
I do hope Invincible War is a much bigger deal in the show, that shit was so much worse and larger scale than what even Omni-Man did in the show and it should have permanently tarnished Mark's reputation but the comic immediately brushes over it.
I almost don't like the idea of the invincible war, but the fact of the matter is that Conquest works so well because this smug old bastard shows up at Mark's lowest possible moment.
It's absolutely getting more spotlight, as kino as conquests fight was, it was always weird it got way more attention than this, this was probably the worst thing to happen, potentially worst than Dino/11
hope they really amp up sinister's mark's creepiness, though I never really get why he was stronger than the rest, was it really just a case of this mark is stronger than the other mark, or was he modified in some way
He had more saiyan zenkai boosts probably, or was told/trained at an earlier age with his powers.
The worldwide destruction can actually be done by just one viltrumite, Anissa herself threatened Mark she could erase life on Earth in a matter of hours; the eight of them only served to make the massive number of superheroes across Image Comics too separated to actually prevent all Evil Marks from destroying everything.
The Evil Marks still ended up destroying everything, the point wasn't just to make a big crossover event but to also ruin Invincible's image to the world with his variants and also give the heroes a chance by at least allowing them some kills (which they probably wouldn't be able to do to an older Viltrumite like Anissa).
I think we should get more focus on the alternate Marks, like the one who actually killed Omni-Man.
Did they pour the entire animation budget into episode one? It was still enjoyable but yeesh.
I do like the superhero parodies but it’s weird that the ending cliffhanger before the credits and post credits scene is the lizard gang. I have not read the comics and don’t know if they’re relevant later or not, but it’s not that much of a stinger to end the episode on. Especially after the scene before that was very sad.
Lizard Gang's retribution directly leads to the death of one of the members of the Guardians of the Globe.
The Lizard League seem like gag villains now, but just wait.
Spoil me on Donald but on nothing else if possible.
He's a robot/cyborg.
Huh.
Well, now I'm curious why he wasn't just replaced by a new person. Don't spoil that.
You'll find out.
mega?
Where do you think this will end story wise?
Do you think we could have ever gotten the Spiderman crossover?
>Spider-Man
That would be embroidered in so many legal hurdles that I don't think Amazon will even try to talk with Disney/Marvel and Sony.
Invincible and Spider-Man/Marvel interacting in the comics many years ago needed way less people signing the papers in a table.
I know, it'd flip ppl though.
But, monkeys paw curls...and its fricking Miles instead =^)
Season 2 probably ends with Mark beating Angstrom to death in the desert before realizing what he's done in horror and then getting rescued by the alternate Guardians of the Globe
I find it a little amusing that people talk about this show in almost exactly the same way people talk about manga to anime adaptations.
>people getting pissed off at deviations from the source material no matter how small
>people thirsting to see That One Part animated it's Conquest lol, what else
>"read the comic"
Every thread just says how the comics get into morally bankrupt angsty bullcrap, and they make me not want to read the comic in the first place. The TV show so far has handled most stuff well and not as edgy as people make the comic seem, so it puts me off it entirely.
Invincible, the story, is basically about Mark having his morals get grinded down by tragedy after tragedy. Angst and edge is kind of a key part of the series.
I wouldn't say it's that pessimistic,
He basically just stops doing the stereotypical superhero "good" or the objectively statistically best thing and just decides to do what he can to make the world a better place in his own way
I think the ultimate failing of Invincible on that front is how they handle Robot, who's sorta supposed to represent the same talking point as Nolan from the start of the series of short term evil leading to long term good being worth more than day to day heroics. Having Robot do something stupid and evil out of the blue at just the right time for literally everyone to unite against him feels like it's so convenient that it cheapens that whole dilemma and that either having Robot be less perfect before that point or having Mark reject his utopia anyway and go "frick your perfect world, you deserve this" would've been more emotionally effective
Robot was definitely a much more powerful threat than the ONE issue he was given, even with all Thragg's army, Robot's Dark bots had the ability to paralyze invincible, never mind all the weaker bugussy ones.
I don't even mind robot taking the kids but i know for a fact he's not stupid enough to deliberately provoke Mark without any other leverage than the blackmail which lets face it, wouldn't stop them all raining down and fricking killing him
I mean it was justified for the most part. He got tattled on by another one of himself and lost his shit.
Robot overstaying his welcome was one of the biggest issues in the comic and the clearest sign that it was falling into the same trap as most big name publisher comics. He just continued to get free wins and asspull getaways after a point because well otherwise I guess we wouldn't be able to keep using a shit villain.
It'd have been forgivable if he was interesting or entertaining but he never managed to be anything other than an obnoxious villain sue who kept showing up after awhile with a paper thin moral argument to wrap around him being a failure of a human being.
That''ll definitely be changed. A lot of Invincible's pacing issues have been ironed out so far.
Unironically he's so garbage that just killing him and rewriting everything that involved him from as early a point as possible would be a massive net benefit.
I think it could work if it's more gradual and foreshadowed. Also, Robot does a lot less stupid shit, like killing fricking everyone.
It’s not about tragedy being in it, it’s how they handle it. And all I hear is the comics do it poorly with stuff like the rape, genocide, abortion and shit like that. And from how the show is presented they’re definitely changing things to make it less insane than the comic. Something like
being cut is already a huge improvement.
The rape and genocide are key to the story and will be staying in, abortion would make sense to remove, that was just fricking stupid and didn't even affect anything
Genocide maybe, no way rape stays in
The rape is absolutely staying in, a character doesn't exist without it. Invincible at that point will be big enough and with the new writing handle it respectfully and then they'll get publicity and accolades, it's too big not to do
Rape is a very touchy subject and with the way they keep making things PC in the show, I expect drastic changes to that section of the story. I don’t know what character is made from that event so I can’t say how they could rework that, but something will be changed. They’ve been adamant of making their female characters better than the comics.
There is no making Anissa better. She's a shit person through and through. That's the whole point of her character, and if they remove her they actively dismantle a huge part of the story. They'll keep it in and probably just imply it, rather than actually showing it.
>That's the whole point of her character, and if they remove her they actively dismantle a huge part of the story.
They've already dismantled and changed huge parts of the story, but this specific moment is gonna stay in?
The rape in the comic isn't done lightly or solely for shock value Not only is it done to actually traumatize mark with it and to deal with the aftermath of it but to truly show how depraved Viltrumites are, she later redeems herself partly and realises the impact of what she actually did.
Removing it would remove a major part of mark's life and his future, it needs to happen to him to show what he's truly fighting against
how does she redeem herself? all I can remember is omni man threatening her and she says she sorry, and she's taking care of the kid
She only redeems herself to the reader, if you accept it anyway, Mark never talks to her to make peace.
Anissa dies in the final war protecting Eve
That's moronic, if you want to set up Vultrimites as crazy psycho rapists there are better ways of doing it. Definitely less cheesy ones.
I imagine the show will treat it with alot more respect, besides Amber i think the show's done a great job changing scenes around
>redeeming a rapist
>in 2020s
>invincible fans actually believe this
Come on now
>A female character
>Not being redeemed in the 2020s
>He actually believes this.
Come on now.
I've yet to see a female rapist being redeemed in the 2020s. For genocide? Yes, and it sucks, but it's true. Not rapists, that's too touchy for US audiences.
Kirkman pls go
Yes and you're thinking like an artist and now a soulless megacorp
Removing the rape removes Marky and changes the whole ending of the series. They wouldn't do that.
I think it would've been better if Anissa was the one Viltrumite who wasn't affected by earth stuff. Just have her mellowed out a bit because of motherhood.
I'm totally not saying this so she doesn't get BLACKED
Even in that panel with Debbie, it further shows just as obsessed she was with her own ideals and how problematic as a person she was, and helps to drive home the fact that Mark constantly feels guilty and like a frick-up, not just for saving lives, but for just existing and doing what he naturally wants to do and feels is the right thing. It's actually a pretty pivotal point even if it's a shitty thing for Debbie to act/say.
The show portrays Mark’s guilt pretty well so far without making Debbie a shitty mother
Omniman was a much worse person in the show. If they didn’t cut that panel with Debbie it would be outrageous. His battle with Mark was nowhere near as horrific in the comic
People always say this about the comic, but really the arc's a lot more interesting. He slowly goes from naively heroic to increasingly callous until it balances out into pragmatism, but he eventually reclaims his actual heroism but now through a more mature lens. It's something that Kirkman seemed to like writing a lot, since he did a pretty similar thing with The Walking Dead and Rick: a character that starts out hopeful, gets beaten down into cruelty, accepts that people can thrive in a world of tough choices, but then their defining characteristic is ultimately rejecting that to say they need to strive for better.
Important to note that the Invincible comic was almost entirely driven by the fear of getting cancelled which is why plot twists tend to happen so abruptly in a way that makes it feel like it was more for the sake of shock value, which it was but it did improve sales and helped keep the comic going.
The show feels more like Kirkman's way of remaking the story if he actually had the luxury to pace things out, like Omni-Man's plot in season one was also supposed to be slower in the comic but one of the Image founders encouraged him to just make the reveal as soon as the next issue.
TBF the show and comic have deviated a lot. More than most anime deviate from their manga
>writers see the obvious backlash for amber's shitty writing in S1
>instead of confronting it via amber reflecting or saying sorry, they just 180 her character completely with 0 mentioning of S1 like it never happened and she was always in the right
>heres your perfect gf bro she's so good to mark look at them haha
>amber apologists have now moved from defending S1 to saying it doesn't matter ambers good now
The Amber reveal sucked but most people don't really care because a) It's a small subplot and b) Eve is Mark's endgame
I don't care enough to be mad about Amber's existence, no matter how much of a pest she is, as long as she actually fricks off from Mark's life by the start of Season 3 so they can shift to Eve as Mark's actual love interest. If they actually try to have Amber around beyond her tipping point that's when I could get mad.
But Amber already became nicer after the Omni-Man reveal, that happened in S1.
The literal only annoying thing Amber pulled was the superhero reveal thing, mostly just because of the context of her personally witnessing Mark saving a bunch of lives, and they made up extremely quickly and never brought it up again.
>they made up
they made up or mark was beaten down morally by every single character before grovelling back to Amber so she can say Mark's dad lying to him and his mom, and using Mark's body to bludgeon half the city, then beating him to near death is equal to Mark keeping his superhero identity a secret from her? they made up or Mark apologised then Amber took him back? Not giving a shit about Amber I understand, but she's still a shit character taking up minutes for a shoddy relationship that'll go no where, because you just know they'll cut the domestic violence piece which was ambers only bit after they broke up if I remember correctly, and even then amber has jack shit to take from the comics. I know with the pacing of the show they can't just jump to Eve but Ambers a fricking drag, just 1 acknowledgement of her mistake is all I want
It is pretty hilarious that Amber is basically just a new character this season.
Yup its definitely what it feels like, it's a bit jarring despite them making up at the end of s1.
A total change in character direction is more an acknowledgement of fricking up than trying to rationalize it in-story.
Plus they kinda admitted it was a waste of time at the end of Season 1 when Amber immeditely comes crawling back to Mark after the big fight is over.
>expecting writers who raceswap characters not to personalityswap
>expecting continuity of character in a show about forced diversity where even the mc has been raceswapped
I mean I'd rather have Amber 180 than them try and act like that shit she pulled in season 1 would keep them together
>reflecting or saying sorry, they just 180 her character completely
I mean isn't that an attempt to "fix her"
The that they acknowledged Amber was a problem is refreshing. I'm so use to movies especially Disney saying if you don't like the character you're the problem.
I mean, realistically, Amber trying to be a better girlfriend is at least a good step for her. And it's not like she's Mark's endgame.
Kinda wondering if the show will have Levy try to kill her, honestly. So many events from the comics have been shuffled around.
She wasn't wrong to be mad, but it feels like some scenes of them making up are missing.
I don't know if they did the scene with her in the comnics but I just realised Eve's friend who died in the war was included in the show, thats insane levels of foresight
Her name in the show is Val and the girl Eve's mom mentions died during the battle against Omni-Man. I feel like they would have brought it up already if that was the case.
If you want subtle foreshadowing, Cecil chides Nolan for going right for his throat despite working together for many years during their confrontation, guess how Cecil dies at Robot's hand years later.
This girl is pretty obviously the Pentagon guy's daughter
Female Cecil looks like Elvis while female Donald looks like the main Donald just wearing a wig
>entire being changed on the genetic level
>still exact same scars and wrinkles
Certain things seem to be consistent across multiverses with few exceptions, that scarring is probably one of them.
I bet there's some guy somewhere seething about how woke it is that female Cecil managed to kill Omni-Man and capture Invincible.
It's multiverse shit
besides, they nuked fricking europe
I'd hit.
hot
why is his nipple there?
Seemed like just a bunch of completely random bullshit with zero focus at all. Every scene was completely unrelated to the last. The animation looked worse too. Pretty terrible episode. The only part I liked was the astronaut guy who was replaced by a Martian.
without the background thread of omniman's betrayel running through the narrative it comes off much slower and more "slice of life" than the slowly building dread of season 1.
they're speeding through the comic. They might even finish the invincible war this season
no fricking way man, I'd like that but I bet it's going to end with mark getting angstromed into the desert, then s3 wrap up the war, middle is conquest and ends with thragg teaser
Im only watching this to see if there's going to be more or less cuckshit by the end.
So far my prediction leans towards more, but maybe they will cut the "mark gone for years for no reason" arc, if nothing else just to save money.
I've read 41 issues of this comic. What's the furthest this show has taken from its content?
The show is just about to get to the lizard league slaghter and then the parasite invasion. Mark and Cecils falling out is next iirc.
I think Mark has to visit planet bug-babes before the falling out, since he and Cecil have that argument about Mark leaving the planet without approval. Plus, the writers probably know that if Nolan doesn't show up again soon, a lot of viewers will lose interest.
Is there a point they're going for with "Eve uses her powers to help but only causes more harm"? Because you're only going to offend your main audience of SJWs by making the hippie-minded girl counterproductive.
I liked it, it made sense, she's like dr manhattan with none of the intellect, she remade that massive building but fricked up since she has no idea how buildings work, actually made the pissed off tradies make sense, they couldve executed it better without hammering it home and writing amber as a dumbass leaving that fountain behind. She was born with these powers you'd think she'd know her own limits by now
>every universe has something unique about it
so why not just find the one that's pretty much "Universe of nothing" and portal all invincibles there?
That'd be too easy.
Also that's what Angstrom tries to do later and fails.
you're a genius anon, angstrom should look for the universe of mark blending machines, and just teleport all the marks into the mark blending machine universe
Because he is a fricking nut case that could literally just port invincible and chill. Instead he wants to torture and drag it out as much as he can.
Also he tries to rape his mother and kill his infant brother. So Invincible torture and suffering is like a fetish to him. Levy is pretty much just hatred for no reason personified.
He literally does that.
Why did Kirkman humiliate Bulletproof so much? Killed his own brother, then he and his girlfriend killed his own parents and had to cover it up, then he got caught in an explosion and was horrifically scarred, what did the guy do to deserve this (besides being black)
he had a name implying invulnerability in some respect
The joke was that he's basically just a normal guy
>what did the guy do to deserve this (besides being black)
Calm down, Raimi.
To be fair he could have fixed the scarring and said he wanted it to stay
So Eve finally got called out for all her reckless transmogrifying of the enviroment. Does she also eventually get called on her absolutely pathetic use of her power in combat? b***h can change any kind of matter in to anything she wants but all she does is shoot lasers and make shields. She could have turned the ground all those aliens from S1 were on in to a 40 foot deep pool of acid.
Eve is NOT Dr.Manhattan in practice despite their powers being somewhat similar, this has been discussed in the thread already. This
is the most accurate post regarding her powers.
Still no links?
What the frick is this?
When is Omni Man coming back?
Is this show actually popular?
Call me a doomer but I’m getting the sense we won’t get a full adaptation
S1 was extremely popular.
Why do they keep cutting the best parts in this adaption?
But the show isn't at this point yet though?
Except it is. This is what makes Mark late for graduation.
J Jonah Jameson?
Capes Inc characters probably fall under the same umbrella as Science Dog, Wolf-Man, Brit, and Techjacket
Technically separate IPs from Invincible
What's this guys super powers?!
Weird how this guy looks like both Omni-Man and that Cyborg guy
>Twitter is preemptively getting mad about this scene years before it's going to appear in the show
God, you can just feel the outrage building. So many arguments about "Male rape not being taken seriously" on the backburner.
The girl being redeemed is what’s gonna put people against the show, they might just cut that
When it comes to depiction vs endorsement, the act itself is never the problem, but the story's reaction to it is
It's obvious they're not gonna include it.
LET ME BELIEVE
You have no idea how much I hate this dude.
Multiverses are awful as a general rule but multiverses in single-issue stories are just the dumbest, laziest writting hacks to add threats to the plot, even worse than time travel out of nowhere
And his whole reason to be bad it's just too fricking goofy it's not even fun anymore.
Yeah he is one of the lesser villians, like even in the comics and show the maulers and others keep telling him no dumbass "YOU did this to you" not mark or anyone else. He really has this beef for no reason that one guy who could absorb powers and had his life ruined by the chicago incident is a better villian. Purely because he has a decent powerset and he doesn't have some goofy ass reason to hate mark. Mark and his dad fought, mark accidently flies through his family makes perfect sense why he is on a frick Mark mindset even if flawed.
I got the impression from S2E1 that they're changing Levy's motivation in the show to "I have so many memories of other Marks murdering my loved ones and I need to take it out on him," not his memories of the merging itself being warped. Levy is getting revenge for his alternate selves
It seemed apparent just from the post-credit scene but that close-up on the Levy from the world we saw taken over at the start of the episode added to it
Still fairly dumb, but a somewhat better motivation. Also incredible weird their is not a single good mark universe another example of why most people can't write multiverse stuff .Infinity is insanely vast and you are telling me only our character is the good one.
But yeah in general never been a levy fan as he has one of the worst arcs and really is a long running nothingburger villian. I'd rather they skip him and go straight to conquest or evil dictator stuff. I'd even take a show exclusive arc instead of his only good thing is invincible war but that was a fairly short lived thing.
I took it as his brain couldnt handle the machine malfunctioning and turned him into a delusional mental case
he has literal fricking brain damage and brain wrinkles for hair
The actual frick are you talking about? This episode alone had no less than three antagonistic black men.
huh?
Oh, they deleted their post.
I just love doc seismic in the back just chilling.
How the hell do you survive a gunshot straight through the head
very carefully
Despite Eve's limits anons pointed out she is still not using her powers optimally
I want her to be as awesome as she was on her special at least
you can have super powers and still be trash at using them
Which is why she should swallow her pride, join Cecil and get a team of science guys to coach her on material science
Female characters are not allowed to do cool shit in Invincible.
anissa raped mark
True but despite everything show Eve is already miles better than she was in the comic which is fricking hilarious and sad
>blue hidden behind the cracks
I can't wait for the suit bros. Give me the suffering.
Why is the animation for Invincible so sad and pathetic compared to anime? Watching Invincible then going back to JJK, it's just pathetically laughable how Cinemaphileshit pales in comparison to Cinemaphilenime
>JJK
unironically pick a better show, you master b8er
Japan exploits their animators better
the animation of eve right after she fixes that building was decent. she looks sexy as hell.
sucks that mark is still dating the knuckle dragger from africa.
I like him.
As someone who liked TMNT rises Leo, this guy will be a treat for me
I hope he meets nikki
Same I was hoping he'd take on the martian mantle and nikki would see that, and boom nikki has a new dad. But times are tough for nikki fans
Still possible to see her. He clearly got inspired by Martian man, and we and he saw he was known for being good with kids. Maybe things will go our way
If nikki shows up I'd be shocked she only shows up in the comic once, I will literally drawgay for a whole thread for her. I hate how fast the nikki threads get 404'd and really she deserves happiness.
You got the page of her in the comic?
Same lol and I've been wanting to, but the jannies don't like her for some reason so the threads just cease to exist
How long before Cecil does a background check on him?
Is he the same character as the astronaut guy? We saw the fake astronaut guy transforming into an alien just chilling at home but then we cut to this shapeshifter dude lying about his backstory.
goddamn anon
i thought the fatherless anon was stupid
Dear God... it's starting to make sense now...
I feel bad for him. Can you blame him for lying about his origins? He's clearly not proud of how he came to be and just wants to be accepted.
the animation is by no means great but i'm noticing it's improved in a lot of scenes in this episode. better than the first episode. is it just me? like when rex is walking toward the shower room.
Why is Eve's dad so cartoonishly fricking evil? Is he the evil conservative dad stand-in? The writing is so stupid.
he is kind of an butthole but he keeps making good points about how Eve isn't ready for the world around her, so I can't see how you think he's supposed to be "cartoonishly evil"
Whether he's ultimately correct doesn't matter. Depict him as an angry, firm, but reasonable character rather than a fricking moron that yells at everything Eve says or does.
you can't be this stupid
like 90% of the characters in the show are depicted to be well meaning, yet either an butthole/stupid/too caught up on their own bullshit
I don't know how to communicate that a show can make a character make good points, but depict the character in such a way that they are the most hateable, despicable person in the universe. Nolan is way more sympathetic than this raging lunatic.
That's exactly what he's saying and you're exactly describing Eve's dad, dumbfrick
He isn't a "lunatic" he literally brings up a good point about Eve's savior complex
>He isn't a "lunatic" he literally brings up a good point about Eve's savior complex
I don't know how to communicate that a show can make a character make good points, but depict the character in such a way that they are the most hateable, despicable person in the universe.
Are you autistic? People like this actually exist.
He's not evil he's just a jackass, he actually does care about Eve he just sucks at expressing that.
Is it me or did Eve's dad come off more honorable this episode my not taking the easy way out
Eve's dad is unironically right about everything and Eve is too thin-skinned to realize it. She doesn't see the logic: he's just harsh in her eyes. But what can you expect from a woman?
When Eve was reconstructing the building I was thinking that could actually be dangerous. Even the construction crew chastised her but the people cheered Eve for it. Glad the episode showed Eve was wrong, they should have actually shown the people in the building either getting killed or heavily injured just to drive home the point
can't do that to muh precious pussy-having princess
i mean they showed the pics of the mother and daughter that cheered her on as the victims. Also weird subplot to me, as for once a hero is using their power in a truly useful way and they are implying it's bad. This was really a very situational thing in general eve giving food to the poor and helping build houses isn't a bad thing if anything it was purely her putting a house on a poor structure which is more the cities fault. If she had rebuilt the whole building/made it herself I feel it would have been solid.
It does not matter then he has been objectively shitty before and is incapable of expressing himself in a non confrontational way
You don't get people to do anything they don't want to do by being polite about it.
and
>objectively shitty
lol
lmao
jesus fricking christ, if you met my father, you'd probably piss yourself
I honestly don't care about how much you love your shitty father it's a fact that Eve's dad is terrible even then he is right and because he cannot resist being terrible his relationship with his daughter is terrible and it will take her longer to realize where she fricked up than if he, you know, was not terrible and talked with her like she was someone he loved rather than his mortal enemy
That sounds like it's Eve's own problem for being a moronic woman. If you are honestly too much of a pussy or an idiot to realize why people treat you or behave a certain way, there's no point discussing anything with you. People will be harsh towards you when you frick up so you don't do it again. There is no world where doing that politely will get that point across as much. Eve's dad was right, as much as your dumbass wants to b***h and cry about his tone.
Tell me what did he accomplish as a parent all these years talking with her like that including then she was like 5 and acting weird so he essentially called her a moron?
I do, what's your point?
>Tell me what did he accomplish as a parent all these years talking with her like that including then she was like 5 and acting weird so he essentially called her a moron?
Eve has strong morals and genuinely seeks to do good in the world.
>strong morals
>aborts her first pregnancy of a boyfriend she supposedly loves
don't ascribe malice to what can be explained as stupiditiy
None of that comes from him since he constantly tells her not to use her powers at all. Despite her clearly fricking up with that building she saved a lot more lives both as a superhero fighter and as a superhero activist than she threatened and she did this her own violition
Try again, also I mentioned in my previous post that his constant shittyness which displayed to her all his life so shut the frick up about your worthless "he was just giving a lecture" argument ruined their relationship. Address that too please
>None of that comes from him since he constantly tells her not to use her powers at all
He's her father: he's worried she's going to get herself killed.
>Despite her clearly fricking up with that building she saved a lot more lives both as a superhero fighter and as a superhero activist than she threatened and she did this her own violition
Saving lives doesn't absolve you of any you cost. Ethics and morals aren't a game of mathematics. That's why it fricks her up to hear that it might've killed people.
>Try again, also I mentioned in my previous post that his constant shittyness which displayed to her all his life so shut the frick up about your worthless "he was just giving a lecture" argument ruined their relationship. Address that too please
Yet she still comes back and complains that he doesn't accept her help when in all likelihood she would do the same in his position.
come on man
>He's her father: he's worried she's going to get herself killed
True, he is her father. Also her morals and desire to do good does not come from him as we can clearly see, showing that she did not receive this trait due to his amazing parenting skills. So why did you bring that up?
>Saving lives doesn't absolve you of any you cost. Ethics and morals aren't a game of mathematics. That's why it fricks her up to hear that it might've killed people.
True it does not, ethics are not a numbers and she deserved for someone to chew her out for that. I agree. Eve also did not talk back nor did she try to shift the blame, she just left to think about her mistake
>Yet she still comes back and complains that he doesn't accept her help when in all likelihood she would do the same in his position.
>come on man
Explain what you mean here. I agree that at this point neither father nor daughter would willingly accept help from eachother. And? What does that have to with my argument that he is a shitty father who called her a tard since she was five in the same tone like he is perpetually constipated?
>Explain what you mean here. I agree that at this point neither father nor daughter would willingly accept help from eachother. And? What does that have to with my argument that he is a shitty father who called her a tard since she was five in the same tone like he is perpetually constipated?
He didn't call her a tard (though she is). He just acknowledged how off she was. Even she knew it but hated hearing about it. Whenever she'd act up, he brought it to shut her down. It's something your parents do when you're riding a high horse and self-victimizing. It's to remind you that position doesn't get you anywhere in life. She has the same attitude towards Mark when he starts being mopey, and it actually helps out.
I completely agree that she deserved to get a lecture, but what he did or rather did not do was more than notice she was off. He was so invested in his preconceived notion she was special needs he did not loan a chemistry book from a local library and see if she really was a genius. Neither did her mom too come to think of it
he enrolled her into a private school for talented kids, not moronic ones anon
but she only did well in regards to the sciences, which she intrinsically understood
Then I take back my argument
>talked with her like she was someone he loved rather than his mortal enemy
....Did we watch the same show? Do you not know what a lecture sounds like?
I'm beginning to think anon never had parents.
I think the people defending Eve's dad read the comics and know that he's gonna be vindicated and she'll apologize or something. It has to be that. Because this setup is CLEARLY supposed to trick the audience into thinking Eve's dad is an evil piece of shit. Because that's all he is.
So we're supposed to be mindblown that he's actually right. Such terrible writing.
are you a woman?
No. You can be a guy and not enjoy dads that just yell at their daughters and call them morons/special needs.
you are moronic, anon
You don't have to worship your dad if he was a dick to you. You don't have to hate him either. You can just think "It wasn't cool that he insulted me and called me moronic and yelled at me." No need to defend abusive behavior.
my dude, my dad literally walked out on my family
i have every reason to hate him, but he was actually doing a pretty good job for the times he was in my life
what you call abusive behavior isn't anything near the real thing
No such thing as real thing. It's all a spectrum
spectrums are for homosexuals and queers
are you a homosexual queer?
Are you a stereotypical chud?
Actually you make sense to me now
The trauma of your father leaving makes you incapable of recognising shitty behaviour. I bet you would have preffered a shitty father over no father
Basically you are mentally ill and biased and your opinions on this topic are worthless
it's funny because you haven't made a single good point about how eve's dad is actually shitty
he's just a meanie bo beanie
He has Utah morman conservative values. So yea means well but jackass.
D-does Cinemaphile like Korean animation?
I think what sucks about the writing on Eve's dad is that he's clearly the wrong person to be delivering the message she's supposed to learn.
Like, the lesson she's supposed to learn (it's bad for her to go around like having the power to fix problems gives her the wisdom to know how to *correctly* fix them) is valid and good for her, but why the frick is the show delivering that message through her butthole "stay with your cheating boyfriend don't know men are just like that and you should just put up with it" shitheel dad?
Are you one of those morons that believes stories should have all the characters always be rational actors so there is no conflict?
I really enjoyed the Debbie scene where she broke down and broke the cabinet, I'm in love with this depressed alcoholic hag
>man shows up bloodied and bruised
>but woman is le sad so she's the REAL victim in need of help
when's the last time you've hugged your mom?
Never. I don't hug women because they never go through any real problems.
Edgy.
I wish I could kick Kirkman in the nuts
Any webm requests?
Shapesmith taking a bite out of that frozen pizza
Man didn't realize the sequence would be so long.But here is the dump...
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This guy is so happy. I'm glad he escaped the tyranny of Mars.
He cute
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Glad my dump ended the bump limit of the thread, kek
>>show is called invincible
episode the main character gets hurt
why lie.
he doesn't die
He's invincible, not impervious to harm.
I have never seen a more fatherless anon other than the femboys on this website.
>Mark keeps yelling "you're too good for me"
That got old fast
pussy worship is disgusting, yes
>literal ubermensch who will live thousands of years and could destroy the earth if he felt like it
>grovels before human c**t
pretty sad to see
Why does........every...character...tal-talk like.........this
in every fricking conversation? It's annoying as frick. god this show is so shit. I just stopped caring about whatever the frick was happening in the middle of the second episode.
Only Robot does though?
I don't really like what they're doing with Debbie's arc. Having her be a complete wreck for weeks was kind of important for Mark's stuff. Perhaps I'm just misremembering the timeline but I think they've pretty much skipped past the point where she gets drunk off her ass and says Why'd you make him leave, Mark? or whatever the line is.
Also wasn't a fan of how they changed the fishwife story but I'm guessing they wanted more action or something.
Why won't Cecil just make a bunch of those cyborgs but stuff them full of experimental bombs and put audio based weapons in their throats?
Oh and give them a flight pack
Don't care, won't even pirate.
Why is everyone in this show such an unlikable c**t?
>William is a homosexual and nothing more
>Amber is self-explanatory
>Cecil is a wannabe Nick Fury who fumbles the bag
>Debbie is a stronk wahmen
>Eve is a feminist c**t
>Duplikate is a bawd
>Robot is ok but he gets ruined later
>Rex exists solely to be an unlikable ass
>Mark is a non-character, has no personality
>Every single dad in the show is a deadbeat or abusive except for a literal nog thug
>Immortal is a pedo and a poser (win a fight first before acting like hot shit lmao)
>Cringe feminist undertone
>Extreme levels of forced diversity, there must be a mudskin in literally every scene
>Lots of racemixing (of course)
This show is fricking DOGSHIT LOL! I was rooting for Nolan to kill everyone at the end of last season.
>Bro pls read the comic bro I swear it’s better bro pls
No.
not telling you to read it but the comic is very different tonally. Eve is kind of a c**t but it's much more light hearted in general.
William was basically sucking Mark's wiener (platonically) all season 1 until he left his bf get lobotomized cuz he was too sad to do anything