spending time on your computer is socially isolating and physically unhealthy, this leads to mental illness among other things
nerd lifestyle also primes them for the concept of body dysmorphia, they arent satisfied with the way they look or feel, often because they are unmasculine in appearance, owing to being excessively fat or skinny
being socially isolated, nerds may also be drawn in by the social circles troonyism provides, you now have a lot more inclusive places to talk to other people in that you never had before
tl;dr: nerds are often ugly, sad, mentally ill, and lonely, just like troons
It makes complete sense. Incels and nerds who never got any pussy or attention from women in high school start to troon out because they can't get women so they just become them. Before trooning out was hyped up as some trendy cool thing and fetishized on every major website, nerdy guys would just end up marrying some nerdy chick later on in life and do fine.
The modern combination of trooning being trendy and the massive spike of incel blackpill ideology has been disastrous for young men not just in the western world but pretty much anywhere with widespread internet access.
Honestly, if I don't wanna know what would've happened to me if I didn't man up, start working out, and get a gf in college.
This. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that most software devs are work obsessed and think that taking a girl to their “campus “ on the first date is a good idea
She's actually kind of right. A lot of "tech bros" from these MANGA companies make their job their life, even the point of wearing company swag outside of work. I had a fwb who got a job at Amazon and she was able to identify male amazon workers solely by their clothing. Women don't like that shit.
You can see this even on Cinemaphile, how any time something even tangentially related to work shows up, the engineers, programmers, or software engineers always come in having to make sure to mention their job and also usually their salary as well, even when they are completely unrelated to the topic. For engineers and other tech homosexuals, literally all their life's value is their work and their salary.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
lmao your girl would be fawning over me if I showed here around my HQ. Women love wealth and the men that have it.
She's actually kind of right. A lot of "tech bros" from these MANGA companies make their job their life, even the point of wearing company swag outside of work. I had a fwb who got a job at amazon and she was able to identify male amazon workers solely by their clothing. Women don't like that shit.
Going from a low status job to a prestigious one made the average go from a 5.6/10 to a 6.8/10 that is to say 1.2 points higher. So for example if you are a 4/10 bartender and switched to surgeon you'd become a 5.2/10.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2017.12.008 (Wang 2018)
This is also in line with this study which stated that making TEN TIMES your current salary would mean at most 2 points more in an attractiveness scale. So if you are a 4/10 making 60k, you'd be a 6/10 making 600k. Good luck getting that salary bump.
http://doi.org/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1 (Dunn 2014)
Photoshopping a man into a luxury apartment made women rate him as around 1.2 points more attractive. The same manipulation had no significant effect on men rating women. Being rich as hell with a lavish lifestyle made the subject go from a 4.4/10 to a 5.6/10
https://archive.is/Y9xuc
"Job status/prestige are not significant determinants of initial interest on Tinder, for both men and women". So women don't care if you are a teacher or a neurosurgeon. Note that women STILL want you to be college educated, so don't even try it tradies.
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/EastwickFinkel2008_JPSP.pdf
It is Looks > Personality > Money for both genders
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3441116
"Greater income does not buy more sex, nor more sexual partners" Note that it applies to both genders
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x
"We conclude that a minimum level of physical attractiveness is a necessity for both women and their mothers and that when women and their parents state that other traits are more important than physical attractiveness, they assume potential mates meet a minimally acceptable standard of physical attractiveness."
Yeah the problem is that the 2010 tech boom brought a bunch of unattractive guys into an income range (and also into trendy cities on the west coast) thereby nuking the dating scenes there.
This also explains why women complain about "tech bros" showing up at dance classes and what not. They don't want unattractive men around when they themselves are trying to find a mate
nah you're fricking delusional. high quality women like programmers just like they like many white collar professions.
you don't need to be some epic alpha chad or whatever dumb gay shit you're trying to allude to. if you want a nice smart gf/wife then programming is great for attracting that type.
because you're autistic. and like clockwork, mentioning immediately your six figure salary. because its all you have in your life.
Yeah the problem is that the 2010 tech boom brought a bunch of unattractive guys into an income range (and also into trendy cities on the west coast) thereby nuking the dating scenes there.
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You can see this even on Cinemaphile, how any time something even tangentially related to work shows up, the engineers, programmers, or software engineers always come in having to make sure to mention their job and also usually their salary as well, even when they are completely unrelated to the topic. For engineers and other tech homosexuals, literally all their life's value is their work and their salary.
I've seen AI coding and it's atrocious. Absolutely unusable. You need a human to babysit it and course correct every other line.
by the time AI is replacing real devs we will have AGI which is going to displace far more than just coding monkeys.
When (and if - it's really *not* a given since LLMs don't actually think) ai can replace coders it's over for pretty much all of the white collar market anyway, so who cares
I thought the movie did a good job of depicting in this sequence just what an unrelenting dork Zuck was/is. "Time to break out that Perl script!" What an ultramaroon.
There are a lot of shit software engineers like this out there. I've never seen a great programmer who's a troon, and I've worked with lots of really good software engineers.
Programmers have always been weird dudes (not a bad thing.) When Facebook and other trendy tech companies emerged during the great recession they, due to the fact that they offered six figs for entry level millennials, a ton of "cool" people who could deal with the intellectual labor started going into the field. That's what actually happened. Zuckerbeg didn't make anything cool he just brought cool and attractive men into a previously incel dominated field.
The coding contest where a bunch of hot college chicks are partying and cheering on the 3 nerds interviewing for an intern position by typing on a computer was the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen put to film.
The point Sorkin was trying to make was that Faceberg and the other big tech companies made programmers look “sexy” and cool for the first time. He basically inverted the preexisting social order. That’s why it opens with chads partying with hot chicks while Zuck sits alone programming in his dorm
They didn't though. No one using the facebook thought "Wow I'd sure like to suck the wiener of whichever backend dev made this product!". They just used it to organize orgies thst Zuckerberg still wasn't invited to.
>They didn't though. No one using the facebook thought "Wow I'd sure like to suck the wiener of whichever backend dev made this product!".
NTA, you're misunderstanding. The person you're replying to is talking about Sorkin (the screenwriter) and how he wrote the characters and how the audience was supposed to see them. It inverted the social order because now you have tech bros and stacy's coding boot camp, if you look at programming 40-50 years ago it was done by fat old smelly guys with beards and it was a hobby associated with virginity. Social media of yesteryear was usenet, bbs forums, and email lists, it wasn't a platform where some obese monstrosity could post a video of themselves eating out of a pig trough and rake in thousands of dollars.
Programming is not nearly as intellectual as 50IQ code monkeys like to make it seem, and the IT sector will be the first sector to get cannabalized with the advance of AI, before any other sector(see WEF report on this).
Good riddance too, I find coders regardless of their race one of the worst creatures to work with in any company, I used to work as a business analyst and boy are these fricking Black folk a pain in the ass. You have to treat them like toddlers to extract any piece of useful information from them, they are literally incapable of explaining in a simple and concise manner what it is they're working on. Half of them have no clue what they're doing and always need somebody more senior in their team to be present so their stuttering actually makes some little sense.
To think incompetents like this take home a 6 figure salary is ridiculous. Thankfully I transitioned from a business analyst to a tech consultant position, so now instead of treating devs like toddlers I get to yell at them and make their life hell, it's actually become the highlight of my day to frick woth their heads and cut them off right in the middle when they start going on an unnecessary technical tangent and behold the look of their faces lol. No more bullshit, I make them work for every single penny they earn.
I communicate client requirements to your kind, and unless you speak Chinese it is literally impossible to break a requirement down any further than "Is XYZ possible?". And when I ask if it's possible I expect an answer that isn't a stuttering mess of "we don't know", "we'll have to check" "let me ask Rajesh" "not sure" "why doesn't he do this instead" or any other such bullshit. How difficult can it be to come up with a straight "Yes" or a "No, because...." instead of using a placeholder then disappearing for weeks forcing me to follow up with you 5 times a day which somehow magically escapes your attention cause you're always working on something else? I have literal PTSD from working with moron developers.
That part is your job what the frick do you earn 150k a year for if you want others to do your dumbass job for you? I don't give a frick about technobabble either get it done or articulate why it cannot be done and present an alternative, earn that salary you paycheck thieves
I got into development specifically to avoid retail level shit like that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You got into development because the morons in charge still don't know how to filter out the trash, they see a moron regurgitate Leetcode#3454 solution in a live interview and think he's fit for the team without checking literally anything else, like if he possesses the 90 IQ needed to explain concisely what he's working on and what the next steps are. The IT industry is by far the biggest moron magnet on this planet.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nope you're just severely overestimating the competence of people in other fields. people in IT are smarter than average. you're just humblebragging by pointing out ways in which they're still stupid.
Sorry there were some delays, lots of moving parts to this project. Feel free to tell the client it'll be done in, oh, let's say 2 months. Actually that's when the Elden Ring DLC comes out so let's make that 3.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Uh oh. Is somebody jealous of the salary and benefits? You're a glorified HR worker. Shut the frick up.
You do realize you cant get away with this forever? I can't wait for the future where the homeless on the street introduced himself as former SWE that got laid off for being a parasite sucking a paycheck he does not deserve until the company figured it out, that's when I'll know that the principles of justice still hold some sway in this reality.
He's the truth chief: everything is possible. Everything can be coded. There's literally no limits. But, when you start creating deadlines, you start to create limits. It takes time to code something that can be expanded to infinity. You're making it to where they don't know where the limits are, because they're trying to meet a deadline.
Man frick you and your ilk for making me do data dumps and then getting mad that the once normalized data looks awful when shoved together on a spreadsheet
I have no idea what you're talking about, what you're saying there was actually part of my job, but even tho I'm not aware of the situation you're in I still side with the other guy cause I've dealt with too many devs in my time to trust your version of events.
I've worked with people like you, you just don't realize how many details you aren't aware of so when you ask them to summarize a week's worth of code changes on the spot they have to flip a switch and try to dumb it down for you. When a more senior person steps in its because they are also aware of the hurdles in the existing code, and after the interaction with you they roll their eyes and talk shit about you. And since you do it repeatedly, they know how you "are", so they just learn to laugh you off after the conversations happen.
All the data is in the cloud, why can't you just connect it?
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You do realize you cant get away with this forever? I can't wait for the future where the homeless on the street introduced himself as former SWE that got laid off for being a parasite sucking a paycheck he does not deserve until the company figured it out, that's when I'll know that the principles of justice still hold some sway in this reality.
>just don't realize how many details you aren't aware of so
Why are you lot incapable of communication that doesn't immediately resort to technobabble? How hard can it be to quickly and clearly encapsulate what the frick you've been doing for the last 2 weeks? I've worked with competent devs too, so I do know there are people out there capable of actually doing their jobs, but that's a mere 20% of the donkeys I used to deal with, the rest should've never been hired at all. It's also hilarious to see you morons scramble for excuses when it turns out you've done exactly jackshit since the last meet cause you don't give frick, thankfully when you switch over to a position that's technically above yours you are no longer required to swallow lame excuses and have all the liberty in the world to put incompetents in full blast, which is a perk I take full advantage of. That's the only way to deal with you morons.
>what are the code changes required to get this done? >aaaahhhhh why are you resorting to technobabble?!?!?! >AAAAHH WHY IS THE EXPLANATION SO LONG I CANT READ ALL THE COMMENTS IN THE TICKET
Just admit you're soft as shit and you're the leech hanging over someone's desk asking them to do your work
>Why are you lot incapable of communication that doesn't immediately resort to technobabble?
It's only technobabble to email jockeys like yourself. Thankfully upper execs love technobabble
>I transitioned from a business analyst to a tech consultant
didn’t you have to learn some coding/programming yourself then? how do you know what the guys are working with and how to consult them?
Programming is maybe 20% of my job, my new role is all about meeting long term important clients, hearing out their requirements, judging if they're feasible or not, and then brainstorming with a team of implementation devs to come up with the best solution, whose implementation is to be handled entirely by them but only goes through if I give the green light. In this case I'm higher in the hierarchy that the devs, unlike in the business analyst role where I was the messenger between devs and clients.
So yes, I now have an understanding of what devs work with, so I can immediately call bullshit and see straight through any technical obfuscation they might engage in, or crack the whip when the project is starting to derail off the timeline I set for them.
You're talking to a tech consultant. Time to get back to your desk and answer some emails while I sit at home in front of my open computer doing nothing, chief. Sounds like your company gave you that flashy title but from the sounds of it you're an associate sales engineer. Weak in the coding but nice to talk to. You were an easy person to shove off the project, your team recognized you as a snake, but fortunately that works for client facing cucks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>These stupid devs get away with doing nothing! >They're bullying me? Uhm... Heh... I actually get paid more and do even less than you do
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The project wouldn't exist without me. I'm the face of the project, I instill confidence in the clients, I see it's end to end implementation and I alone deliver the results while reaping the credit, and my history of success acts as the selling point for sales when theyre about to strike a new deal with another prospective company. Without me the entire implementation team would be out on the streets selling their asses for a hot meal.
>the IT sector will be the first sector to get cannabalized with the advance of AI
Good thing I can do the full stack AND AI. And yes, I make 10 times your salary, how could you tell?
>good thing I can do [buzzword] and [buzzword]
Your cute little Udemy certificates don't qualify as credentials codemonkey. You will forever tinker with buttons and widgets on a website nobody visits till the day you get canned for being a talentless hack.
>To think incompetents like this take home a 6 figure salary is ridiculous. Thankfully I transitioned from a business analyst to a tech consultant position, so now instead of treating devs like toddlers I get to yell at them and make their life hell, it's actually become the highlight of my day to frick woth their heads and cut them off right in the middle when they start going on an unnecessary technical tangent and behold the look of their faces lol. No more bullshit, I make them work for every single penny they earn.
Fricking based. I hate people who think that just because they're being verbose and regurgitating unnecessary information that they're being smart. Being smart is communicating effectively and concisely.
Frick them
>To think incompetents like this take home a 6 figure salary is ridiculous. Thankfully I transitioned from a business analyst to a tech consultant position, so now instead of treating devs like toddlers I get to yell at them and make their life hell, it's actually become the highlight of my day to frick woth their heads and cut them off right in the middle when they start going on an unnecessary technical tangent and behold the look of their faces lol. No more bullshit, I make them work for every single penny they earn.
Fricking based. I hate people who think that just because they're being verbose and regurgitating unnecessary information that they're being smart. Being smart is communicating effectively and concisely.
Frick them
it's not about being verbose, it's about transmitting useful information. when you talk to these '''''people'''' they shit you plenty of technical terms that you'd have to be in their field for at least 3 years to properly understand rather than summarizing.
i know a few myself and despite liking them, they can talk too much even about simple concepts.
I fell for the learn to code meme, graduated with a degree in software engineering from WGU, and have been trying to get a job since. over 600 applications sent (these are just the ones on linkdin) and no job. I legitimently regret ever being positive and thinking I could make it. I'm running out of money and suicide is looking like my only option
I unironically hope you get hit by a fast moving vehicle, you literally got your degree by doing crayon colourings in the US and have the nerve to tell me what is and isn't simple
go frick yourself
Based. If you can't explain something easily than you don't really understand it. All of the malding replies just prove how socially inept and insecure these "people" are
If you can explain something easily then a child could do it. The reason PMs can explain what they do easily is because they don't do anything complex.
Every single activity can be explained in a watered down consice and articulate fashion, it's just that codemonkeys love obfuscating their work to seem like they deal with complicated tasks on a day to day basis and maintain the illusion of complexity to justify their paychecks.
If techtards were left to their devices without any supervisory control you'd have one line of code being pushed into your code base every year. Codemonkeys are like pre school children, you need a teacher around to ensure they complete their tasks and don't shive pencils up their noses, if this wasn't true companies wouldn't blow millions a year to hire PMs. Naturally techtards hate this, ofcourse they just want to sit on their asses and leech paychecks instead of actually doing what they're paid to do, how dare somebody keep them on track!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wow that sounds like you must be adding a whole lot of value to the company. I assume you are even more well-compensated than lazy bones developers for your hard work.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
PMs, not codemonkeys, ensure features and products are rolled out in a business like timeframe. Seethe.
I know this is a troll post, but there are so many people like this around. 90% of business analysts and product managers add zero value. They like the idea of saying they work in tech without having the interest or the skillset to actually be good at their jobs. They they revert to a defensive nature where they play politics and b***h about lazy developers, trying to insert themselves into middleman positions on projects in a desperate attempt to display they can add value. The worst are the narcissistic ones who believe their own hype and think of themselves as digital thoughtleaders or similar. The good thing is that these people never earn as much as the devs they think they're managing and a lot end up getting fired when it's time for cuts.
PMs and BAs and Tech consultants wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the sheer incompetence and inefficiency of the codemonkey. Codemonkeys are incapable of adding value on their own, they turn into a massive resource sink if left to their own devices where nothing gets done. Codemonkeys are inherently incapable of functioning independently, which is why stuff like Agile is even around in the first place, to harvest what little value they are capable of.
It's like cows and herders, sure herders don't provide any actual product of their own, but how would one get milk from a herd of cows just standing around grazing?
>narcissist
It's funny whenever a codemonkey complains of narcissism. There's never been a workforce more narcissist than codemonkeys, they operate under the delusional that they are irreplaceable pillars of a company's operation and everyone must cater to their whims and fancies, when the value they provide is nowhere close to what they're compensated. They believe they should be in charge of everything, the moment you put a codemonkey anywhere away from it's screen you're courting disaster.
My simple advice to codemonkeys is to shut the frick up, do the job they're paid for, stop thinking they're the center of the world, start behaving professionally, and understand that they are paid to follow orders to a T, not opine on bullshit way above their pay grade. It's just that simple.
>cuts
Most codemonkey teams get cut in half during cuts btw, only somebody who's never worked in IT would claim cuts and layoffs affect everybody except codemonkeys(another product of their narcissicm). Infact even in situation where you're not in a recession or cash crunch, often times when a project runs it's course you need only a fraction of the codemonkeys to maintain it, the rest are either reshuffled or shelved or just plain laid off. Idk why codemonkeys seem to think they're immune to job cuts when all of 2022-23 proved completely otherwise.
Soft skills will always be a far more valuable skill than its contemporary code monkey. This has and always will be the case, the ability to deal with the textbook codemonkey without chucking ot off the roof is a skill worth millions alone.
Maybe it's changed now, but I remember business analysts complaining about how much contract engineers used to cost. 90% of engineers are ahit at their jobs, but then so are 90% of BAs. It goes both ways.
>The layoff round of last year was significant exercise, and now it is over, this is just an internal team reorganisation,” said the source while referring to Google’s layoff exercise in January this year where the tech giant had sacked hundreds of employees across its verticals such as engineering, hardware and other teams in order to focus on building its artificial intelligence capabilities.
Infact Google is about layoff hundreds more in this year alone, mostly just ivercompensated codemonkeys that are leeching paychecks. I bet when these morons made it Google they all fancied themselves the next Steve Wozniak, and now they'll be applying to a 100 other places and thank the heavens if Mcdonals accepts their application for the resident burger flipper.
This. It will get it eventually but will probably only replace so called "code monkeys" rather than devs. So yeah, coding boot camp "degrees" might become obsolete but CS students won't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Programming is a trade, not a "degree". Programming is far closer to being a plumber or carpenter than it is to being a psychologist. And by this I mean that the *skill* and experience are far more important than the theoretical knowledge. CS degrees have been dogshit since forever and that is why IT is one of the few high pay fields where a full quarter of the field do not have degrees. So no, degrees do not obsolete code monkeys of any kind because you are comparing apples to oranges. A CS degree is really, actually, a math degree. A programmer is really, actually, a carpenter. This comparison might seem strange to you at first, but incidentally this is why many smart people in tech think we should adopt the apprenticeship model over the university model. The skills are crucial and they can ONLY be learned by *doing*.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Honestly I don't disagree. Most of my gigs/jobs have involved random companies that have their own tech stack, none of which resembled anything that I was ever exposed to in school. Learning about data structures helped out a lot but I had a shitton of self study to succeed. So yeah I guess it really is kind of like being plumber or something where you first learn the basics and then go to a house one day and realize that they have some bizarre piping system or whatever that you've never heard and you have solve their issues regardless.
People who think AI will replace programmers any time soon are moronic. ChatGPT, for example, is very useful for asking how you might write an algo to solve a particular problem or even for writing a skeleton for a simple client--server application. However, for anything real life, like building something that requires tens of distributed microservices communicating over different protocols that all need to be on 24/7, no. This is the fantasy of company executives that they may one day be able to say:"Build me a new social networking app that is like LinkedIn and Facebook combined". This won't happen any time zoon and if AI gets to that stage, devs being our of work willl be the least of their worries.
AI is terrible at coding.
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When (and if - it's really *not* a given since LLMs don't actually think) ai can replace coders it's over for pretty much all of the white collar market anyway, so who cares
you morons just described why AI will never be a real issue. It will create 10x the amount of jobs it destroys, and the blue collar bull shit jobs won't even be touched. Babysitting an AI will be even easier than doing a coding bootcamp, and it will be more valuable.
>the tech giant had sacked hundreds of employees across its verticals such as engineering, hardware and other teams in order to focus on building its artificial intelligence capabilities.
How do you read this and come to the conclusion that it's developers on thin ice?
The conclusion is it's EVERYBODY on thin ice. Engineering specifically refers to codemonkeys, support/BAs don't come under engineering, and there aren't nearly enough PMs to constitue 100s of sacked people from engineering departments. And maybe ypu live under a rock, but this time last year my linkedin feed was filled with codemonkey seethe at being canned in the middle of the night by Google and losing access to all their systems by morning. Why are you trying to pretend Google somehow skirts around it's most expensive labour force during a cut aimed at reducing expenses?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I already said tech companies overextended back in
It's mostly that tech companies hired a shitload of people when the fed rate was low and laid a bunch off when rates rose. It'll take more time to filter everyone through but the job market is already recovering from the hell of last year.
. Your quote just doesn't paint a uniquely bad situation for developers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, my reply was specifically aimed at
>The good thing is that these people never earn as much as the devs they think they're managing and a lot end up getting fired when it's time for cuts.
It's delusional to pretend only BAs and PMs bear the brunt of a layoff when codemonkeys are infact affected just as much(if not more because tech companies are mostly just codemonkeys at various levels) as the rest. And we're not even talking of non tech companies where codemonkeys are seen as a cost center rather than a revenue generator.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh, yeah that's dumb. The layoffs at Google were team-specific, not role-specific.
Ahh, so you work at a shithouse firm where they hire armies of shit developers/code monkeys. Well, in those firms, I have to agree with you, pay peanuts, and get monkeys. They are full of introverted developers who feel sick at the thought of answering a phone call, let alone speaking to clients or presenting. However, I have worked at other firms where the focus was on hiring strong small teams of highly paid developers who also had good knowledge of their business domain too. This is generally what you find at hedge funds and gayMAN companies. If you need to hire in a ratio of more than 20:1 developers to business analysts, then you are hiring shit developers. Unfortunately, the fact that being a software engineer is now seen as some easy path to riches means that you'll only get more of these code monkeys working for you. My advice is to work for a better company.
Coding is cool but building a startup business with other nerdy people and dreaming of success makes every single feature delivery an experience, especially when it works just as expected.
is coding worth getting in to? Thinking of a career change. Do you need to do a 1-year CS course? How does the demand for coders look in the coming years? Is it very boring or difficult?
I'm gonna be real with you anon, this is not the place to ask this. You're going to get flooded with responses from crabs in a bucket telling you to not do it. Take those with a massive grain of salt. Doomers love festering in 4chins telling people they can't do it because they couldn't do it either or because they don't want competition
>Do you need to do a 1-year CS course
They days of self-taught entry into CS are over, at least currently. Get a bachelor's degree. >How does the demand for coders look in the coming years?
Shit right now, long run still probably better than average. People will compare it to the golden age we've been exiting though. >Is it very boring
Depends on who you are. I don't like it very much anymore but it's not making me want to blow my brains out at work. >or difficult?
This depends on who you are. Only way to answer that is by trying.
>You're a crab bucketing doomer if you point out market dynamics instead of pretending we're still in the 2010s
Just go up to the manager, shake his hand, and ask for a SWE job.
You're gonna be competing with the largest CS graduate pool of any decade.
Computer Science was one of the lowest populated majors when I was taking it(I graduated with 8 other people).
This year it has the biggest amount of students in my university, hundreds of grads every semester.
Guess I'm too late then. Wonder what other jobs in tech will grow in demand. Cyber security? I'm gonna talk to some friends and an old boss (electrical engineer PhD) who work in tech about this stuff too.
I just did it, learning java as we speak, it goes slowly ngl, i'm kinda moronic but time will tell if it works out. The truth is there are plenty of low wage code monkeys needed like me in the future so thats where i put my hope on.
I also feel like it's difficult enough that there will be less pajeets, and also that it's a field that's only going to grow, not shrink. I mean I could be wrong about that, but I don't think so, especially compared to other programming fields
The job market is extremely satured right now, a million morons just graduated because its the career of le future but they fail to realize most companies want senior developers with years of experience and those that want junior developers already outsourced to some indians for minimum wages. Whether its boring/difficult depends on your focus. Web development is babby shit while embedded programming is a lot harder.
It's mostly that tech companies hired a shitload of people when the fed rate was low and laid a bunch off when rates rose. It'll take more time to filter everyone through but the job market is already recovering from the hell of last year.
>the job market is already recovering from the hell of last year.
lol no. Tech companies will continue to downsize, AI will take over many jobs, millions of new morons will continue on getting their CS degree and companies will continue to outsource to the third world. How is it in any shape way or form getting better?
AI has taken and will take zero (0) dev jobs. It's just going to make code bases even more unwieldy. Complexity of the job grows with the technology. It's like how legal docs just became longer after Westlaw was invented rather than reducing the number of lawyers.
AI has already taken jobs away. A position that used to require a team of 5 people only requires 2 now because now everyone has the power of AI to help solve or simplify tasks. But AI isn't even the main problem, its just how oversatured the market is, and how little demand there is for it.
Why do programmers have this huge amount of copium? Who are you trying to convince?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>copium
I am an AI developer. If AI puts me out of a job, it's fricking over. I am telling you this because it is true.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How much did that Coursera cert in Ai cost you kid?
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$20k in student loans for my math BS. My 2nd job as a data scientist paid for my masters in CS.
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>Why do programmers have this huge amount of copium?
It's not copium. I'm a programmer who uses AI assistants. It's not anywhere near being a thing that can translate complex business requirements into functional precision. I wish it was near that state, then I would it use it more often lmao.
>It's like how legal docs just became longer after Westlaw was invented rather than reducing the number of lawyers.
Lawyers have a really strong moat, regulate others out of the profession, and make the very laws that protect their status. No technology could ever reduce the number of lawyers.
I think so if you try to combine it with something. I'm an econ major that has 30 credits left to also get a computer science degree. I'm thinking of finishing those credits so I can go to grad school for financial engineering since that where it seems the banking industry is heading.
Here’s what you need to remember before getting into programming: in Outliers, Gladwell recounts a study done with college students in a pottery class. The students had never done pottery and were divided into two groups. One group was told “Over the course of the semester, make only ten vases the best you possibly can.” The other was told “Make as many vases as you can.” At the end, they held a showcase of all of the students’ best work. The one’s who limited their work to ten vases turned in mediocre work. The other group selected their best vases of the dozens they had made and were recognized as better. That’s programming. If you get into it to make your magnum opus, you’ll burn out and quit. If you limit your scope (at least while you’re still starting out) to making small projects that can be completed in a day or two, you’ll come away with a much better base of experience. Persistence is key
>work at a small local company >8 devs total including myself >don't have to filter everything through 1000 layers of pajeet outsourcing >actually get shit done
it's very cool when you work with other skillful people. nowadays big tech tries to throw manpower at the problem (definitely not helped with DEI unskilled diploma mill hires) and ends up with monolithic projects and insane maintenance costs. there is no replacement for small dedicated teams who understand the codebase.
I don't coast because I like coding and doing useful work. I code for fun in my free time too. I've noticed people like to brag about coasting and doing no work at their job, then turn around and wonder where inflation is coming from and why they are being replaced.
coding in my free time is keeping me sane, I hate how slow everything is in my company because we have to go through 10 different layers of teams and approvals
i can't wait until the day tech goes the way of manufacturing via outsourcing technology and AI and these overpaid morons with their overpriced wrappers on some other service lose their shirts after how big tech ruined almost everything about culture
My college roommate did CS like 20 years ago. He’d sit in complete silence for like 20 minutes then type some shit then drink some coffee. Repeat that for like 6 hours. He’d finally stand up and just lean against the doorframe of his room rubbing his temples and say shit like “why won’t it work”. Then he’d repeat that process for like a week until whatever project was done. He’d drink like a dozen old styles, piss himself, and then be back to square one on Monday. Do that for 4 years and you can make a few hundred grand wrangling pajeets.
I fell for the learn to code meme, graduated with a degree in software engineering from WGU, and have been trying to get a job since. over 600 applications sent (these are just the ones on linkdin) and no job. I legitimently regret ever being positive and thinking I could make it. I'm running out of money and suicide is looking like my only option
i took two years to find a job with an ms in math. found a remote job 2000 miles from home. i was hired because the company was started by math phds and as a startup they just needed guys. buying a house 3 years later
Whoever normalized the "engineers can't talk they just need to sit on their laptops and code all day" meme needs to be hanged. A coding job requires a lot of collaboration and team work, if you simply sit on your ass and code all day you're either at the lowest rung of the ladder that deals with simple grunt work passed down to you(good candidate for replacement) or you're shit at your job. I've seen so many cases where a guy is simply unable to figure out how something needs to work and instead of immediately seeking assistance and bringing the bottleneck into the limelight he'll just sit there glued to his laptop """ thinking""". Literally had a guy who wrote 3 lines of code(that too didn't pass the review) in an entire week, always stalling in the stand up and making it seem like he's actually working, before our manager had to come to me to get him moving. The issue? Resolved in 2 minutes cause the dumb arse was trying to reinvent the wheel when we already had a ready made solution for it for years but it never struck him to read the docs. Frick.
I've been learning to code recently just for fun. My problem is that I have no problem solving the coding problems and figuring out how to make a program work, but I just can't THINK like a programmer. I write functioning code, sure, but it's about four or five lines too long. Whereas it seems most people can get the solution in just one line. It makes me kind of sad and I should probably just drop it.
>can't THINK like a programmer
It seems you have a triple digit IQ. You need to come down to double digits to emulate a programmers mindset, always have a cup of coffee/energy drink on your table cause ALL programmers juice themselves with caffein and you need to signal your conformity to the hivemind, spend all day googling your problems cause you're too stupid to come up with authentic solutions, pretend that anything you do actually requires an ounce of braincell while simultaneously operating under the facade of how you're the backbone of your company's functioning, achieve nothing of substance in crimjnal amounts of time, learn the art of dinding the right snippet of code to copy paste and modufy juat enough to serve your purpose in the most barebones fashion, then call it a day. It may take some time but you'll eventually get it.
OK buddy, go on now, push your one line of untested garbage code(2 months of work) into your janky bloated repo, pat yourself on the shoulder for a job well done and demand a double point appraisal for ypur contribution in ensuring that the 50 issues that flare up 7 versions down the line are all traceable right back to your commit.
I work in control systems, back in my college days CStards were mocked viciously for calling themselves engineers when the level of math they studied was toddler tier statistics crap and bullshit linear algebra/set theory/graphs. The rest of their course can be boiled down to cramming theory and leetcode. Please refrain from calling such monkeys engineers, it makes us real engineers look bad. Thanks!
>client brings up an issue that has been persisting for multiple versions and demands an explanation for why it still hasn't been fixed
>search the archives, find a ticket documenting the issue
>pending status
>open the associated problem ticket attached to the issue that the devs are supposed to work on
>be greeted with 50 notifications of various codemonkey teams reassigning said problem from one team to another with one line buzzword ridden explanations on why they shouldn't have to handle it
>Still pending, last message posted 5 months back
>reach out to the currently assigned team, turns out the dev working on it is long gone and nobody is even aware of the issue
>haggle, manage to fix a timeline promising updates
>open problem ticket again 1 week later
>10 more buzzword ridden messages reassigning the ticket between 3 more teams
>go through the same song and dance
>final message: "This issue isn't a priority and will be worked on in a later version as and when the team finds the bandwidth"
>deftly added to the ever growing list of Known Issues
>Closed
The truly impressive part is how the entire IT industry hasn't imploded on itself with such a dazzling display of work ethics
Literally me
No one gets credit for solving issues. You only get credit for being assigned issues that get solved. Of course I'm going to resist working on any task not given to be by upper management and pass on everything I can to someone else.
>Nooooo you are STEALING from the company! That's quiet quitting! You're a quiet quitter!
No worries, I'll be out of your hair in 2 years when I accept a job elsewhere for another 30% salary increase. If you're lucky, they won't even replace me with an Indian.
Suppose you're 16 and planning on what to study, ideally something you at least halfway like that's not usually 70 hours/week, and you'd prefer six figures -- what do you do?
Proper Engineering(Mech/Electrical/Aero etc CS is not engineering). Very chill hours, a group of laid back actual professionals and not soi guzzling skinny fat man children as coworkers, decent pay(6 figures but not CS level), opportunity to work on something tangible and not 1s 0s on a screen, pretty standard progression and the risk of being laid off is much lower because you make actual contributions in your line of work that normalgays cannot unlike CStards that frick around with aligning widgets till a cheaper CStard comes around, intellectually stimulation work, lots of potential to do proper physical work too of you are into that sort of thing, etc
The con is your major will be tough and you will need to work hard to get through.
Lmao the seething is real, aside from the shitty coworkers you're full of shit, CS is quite easy, has a low workload - except if you work in one of the big - great progression and you often see tangible results.
You find it easy because CS in the US is a joke compared to other countries, still getting a foot in the door nowadays is harder than ever and that's the real challenge not getting the degree and then you find zoomers who followed the gold rush crying because they have sent 1000 applications and they are still getting rejected after months
The real reason CS is full of autist isn't the work load, which is actually quite low, rather it is because the structure of computer science favors heavy introversion.
Don't know how to say it but you need to have a structured way of thinking, heavy introverts have an easier time doing that since they spend a lot of time in their thoughts. For extraverted people it's way harder because they are not train to think that much, the only time I've seen extraverted people being good at programing is when they are highly intelligent, in which case they have an easier time compensating.
>Yay I just made a little button on a web page that redirects you to another webpage big whop
Vs
>I just recalibrated a pressure sensor to account for the flow of a variable viscosity industrial stimulant that adheres to the specification of the pipe it flows through thereby saving millions in infrastructure spending and ensuring the process goes on as smoothly as before
There's a reason why engineering is closed off to actual qualified and intellectually evolved applicants as opposed to CS that takes in any bootcamp grad who blew a 1000$ to learn outputting "Hello World" into the console.
Nope, the bar is set high because a CS monkey who watched a Django tutorial on Youtube is by no means fit to operate in a factory setting handling a process that is the key to a million dollar value chain where the slightest of errors could result in a catastrophe. In CS errors are common place in the form of bugs due to lax standards and the shitty quality of labour.
Literally any engineering field (mechanical, civil, chemical) degree can be completed in 4 years and get a well paying job (might not be ABOVE six figures for some disciplines but pretty close) out of college. You HAVE to job hunt every few years if you want to get paid substantially more. Do not go into programming just because you want to earn a lot of money (it's not a lot unless you're working for FANG due to all the surplus of junior level programmers) because it's absolutely soulless. You will be making what are essentially digitized forms for the rest of your life.
Don't believe whatever bs you tell yourself that you have to make six figures either. That's burger brained thinking. I thought the same thing and I make good money now but I'm miserable at work, wish I picked a completely different career path that didn't have me stationary for 8-10 hours looking at a computer screen attending corporate meetings where I want to blow my brains out. It completely killed gaming for me, I think I played a total of 10 minutes last month.
The real reason CS is full of autist isn't the work load, which is actually quite low, rather it is because the structure of computer science favors heavy introversion.
Don't know how to say it but you need to have a structured way of thinking, heavy introverts have an easier time doing that since they spend a lot of time in their thoughts. For extraverted people it's way harder because they are not train to think that much, the only time I've seen extraverted people being good at programing is when they are highly intelligent, in which case they have an easier time compensating.
Ruby on Rails triggers me. From my experience with web dev. MERN stack is king. The fact that everything is explicitly connected is all the more gratifying. Where my swift-ties at?
I'm a concept artist and all I know about programmers is that they really despise making new shaders. I just want the armor to be shinier guys make it fricking happen.
I want to learn coding so I can contribute to the development of AI robowaifus and make a VR Ben 10 game. But not joking, I feel in the next years knowing how to code will be as important as knowing how to use windows. People say that AI will steal jobs, but you still need coders to program them, at least for now. And I don't see zoomers doing a lot of that tbh. Everyone making a life out of social media gains is one less coder, doctor, and so on.
To add to this, think of how many things will need coding in the close future: robots, systems, AI. I don't think coding will end in this generation, you'll still need someone to tell the robot to not bite your dick off (or to do it).
It's mind-numbingly tedious if you treat it as a means of making money and prostitute yourself out to companies that will extract every ounce of soul from you to turn a profit.
is there any reason to learn it in current year? I spent the last 15 years in front of a computer and never learned this shit.
if yes which language is going to be relevant with all the AI and stuff?
People who think AI will replace programmers any time soon are moronic. ChatGPT, for example, is very useful for asking how you might write an algo to solve a particular problem or even for writing a skeleton for a simple client--server application. However, for anything real life, like building something that requires tens of distributed microservices communicating over different protocols that all need to be on 24/7, no. This is the fantasy of company executives that they may one day be able to say:"Build me a new social networking app that is like LinkedIn and Facebook combined". This won't happen any time zoon and if AI gets to that stage, devs being our of work willl be the least of their worries.
>Build me a new social networking app that is like LinkedIn and Facebook combined
Prompted Devin AI to do this and I already have a working product 2 minutes later. Why do I need a programmer again?
This is why work from office should be made mandatory. That way I'll know who accesses Cinemaphile and have a ready list of PIPtards when the next layoff cycle comes around
I'm untouchable, buddy. I know how to play office politics, which people to keep on my side and who I can ignore. I'm the only person who knows the whole codebase, and everyone knows it.
Been at my workplace longer than all others in my department (8 years), in Europe, meaning that even IF they wanted to fire me they'd have to pay me a shitload of money.
My last PM was a fricker like you who thought he could strong-arm me into working harder. I told him to kick rocks and shit talked him until everyone distrusted him. He quit. Next one better be a good little dog or he's not gonna last long.
>I'm untouchable, buddy. I know how to play office politics, which people to keep on my side and who I can ignore. I'm the only person who knows the whole codebase, and everyone knows it.
Been at my workplace longer than all others in my department (8 years), in Europe, meaning that even IF they wanted to fire me they'd have to pay me a shitload of money. My last PM was a fricker like you who thought he could strong-arm me into working harder. I told him to kick rocks and shit talked him until everyone distrusted him. He quit.
Then I woke up and went to my job where the chad BAs bullied me again for speaking with a stutter and Stacy filed an HR complaint cause I shit my pants.
>Then I woke up and went to my job where the chad BAs bullied me again for speaking with a stutter and Stacy filed an HR complaint cause I shit my pants.
gonna be honest you sound like a schizo man
This BA vs Programmer ranting is pretty cute, but neither would have a job if sales didn't convince boomers to invest in their junk. Sales, as always, reigns supreme(also immune to AI)
Do programmers/devs actually think that they are masculine? I've always wondered this. Are they just autists who are totally unaware of how they appear to others?
>grew up in bay area >never got into tech >still live with mommy and daddy in bay area despite being 32 >still never got into tech, never got into anything
i know everyone thinks that tech employees are insufferable but i wish i was one of them.
>go on Cinemaphile or any typical site full of incels >everyone talks about "beta providers" for women, don't be the one a woman "settles" for, etc. >meanwhile, everyone is an engineer/programmer and as this thread shows the only positive thing you have to talk about is your salary and how women want high earners
the most pathetic profession on the planet. jesus christ, can you imagine what its like having to work with and interact with these fricking autists on a day to day basis. holy shit.
lol moron, AI is going to make autists and people with computational skills useless. The only people who will be worth anything are people with soft skills and who can communicate AKA NOT YOU. Also the ownership class, but that's perpetual.
t. brainlet
"AI" at this point is just predicting the next word based on the billions of sentences/paragraphs/etc that they have been trained on. They can't do basic math reliably, let alone program. The models can produce something that resembles boilerplate code along with a bunch of weird shit that devs will have to remove (because written language is fundamentally different from programming languages.)
you know what would be awesome? if we woke up tomorrow and the entire tech industry and everyone who worked in it just disappeared overnight, just completely vaporized without a trace. imagine how much better off the world and society would be.
You severely undervalue how useful it is to have information travel around the world instantly. Trust me you don't want to live in our ancestors world. This is the best time to be alive!
A lot of coping and seething in this thread. I feel privileged to work remotely for a small tech company that only hires within the US with no degree. Granted my job is bullshit low IQ React work but it pays the bills, and isn't my life. Also everybody I work with is a normal white guy, no soi homosexuals, no beta shit, no real issues. Also with it being so small everybody is accountable for their code.
Not when you have to do it for some moronic company with SCRUM masters, incompetent co-workers and five useless managers telling you how to ruin your beautiful code.
"beautiful code" pls don't, just KISS. nothing worse then trying to resolve some bug in a codebase from some Black person was trying to be cute with his code.
lol you are definitely one of those guys who uses algorithms instead of data structures aren't you? They are the only dudes who whine about code review and "elegance."
it paid the bills i got started cracking then got hired and made a lifestyle house wife etc
i wont say coding is fun it is very mundane, but back when i cracked software that was fun
if he's asking about programming on Cinemaphile i doubt he'd last a day in sales
my job as a programmer was mostly being the image of IT guy while traveling states, but then i provided code that increased productivity too as a bonus
Not anymore when the entire hobby has been overtaken by troons and pajeets
>A thread about representations of coding
>Huuur the trans indian girls are taking over ahhh
o b s e s s i o n
>reddit spacing
troonyism spreading through nerd spaces is akin to crack through black communities in the 80s
how did this happen? Most comp sci nerds are analytical (non-emotional) and don't have time to sit around pretending to be a woman. e.g. John Carmack
porn addiction
it's the slippery pipeline
spending time on your computer is socially isolating and physically unhealthy, this leads to mental illness among other things
nerd lifestyle also primes them for the concept of body dysmorphia, they arent satisfied with the way they look or feel, often because they are unmasculine in appearance, owing to being excessively fat or skinny
being socially isolated, nerds may also be drawn in by the social circles troonyism provides, you now have a lot more inclusive places to talk to other people in that you never had before
tl;dr: nerds are often ugly, sad, mentally ill, and lonely, just like troons
It makes complete sense. Incels and nerds who never got any pussy or attention from women in high school start to troon out because they can't get women so they just become them. Before trooning out was hyped up as some trendy cool thing and fetishized on every major website, nerdy guys would just end up marrying some nerdy chick later on in life and do fine.
The modern combination of trooning being trendy and the massive spike of incel blackpill ideology has been disastrous for young men not just in the western world but pretty much anywhere with widespread internet access.
Honestly, if I don't wanna know what would've happened to me if I didn't man up, start working out, and get a gf in college.
Yeah but he's not wrong thoughever.
I think downplaying it is sheer moronation.
These people are paid to pollute every discussion. Try finding a thread without racism or modern gender bullshit.
that's right esgsisters!
t. battleship = sunk
spoken as someone whos not in the industry
Coding is still a pussy-drier regardless of the race of the coder
This. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that most software devs are work obsessed and think that taking a girl to their “campus “ on the first date is a good idea
women don’t give a shit about your job
>women don’t give a shit about your jo-ACK!
Yeah lots of women have “no programmers/IT guys” included in their dating profiles out here on the west coast.
Brutal. I feel bad now
I don’t blame them. A lot of developer guys are kind of boring and a bit arrogant. Not a good combo.
You can see this even on Cinemaphile, how any time something even tangentially related to work shows up, the engineers, programmers, or software engineers always come in having to make sure to mention their job and also usually their salary as well, even when they are completely unrelated to the topic. For engineers and other tech homosexuals, literally all their life's value is their work and their salary.
lmao your girl would be fawning over me if I showed here around my HQ. Women love wealth and the men that have it.
cope
The only reason I join this tennis club was to meet women... and I feel like it was the same for the women in it.
Anyway meet a wonderful one, feels like she is into me will probably try to kiss her next time I see her.
>wear something nice
Like what?
She's actually kind of right. A lot of "tech bros" from these MANGA companies make their job their life, even the point of wearing company swag outside of work. I had a fwb who got a job at amazon and she was able to identify male amazon workers solely by their clothing. Women don't like that shit.
Women like money, coding gets you money. That being said coding is for homosexuals and trannies.
>coding gets you money
Fricking boomers
>Women like mo-ACK
Going from a low status job to a prestigious one made the average go from a 5.6/10 to a 6.8/10 that is to say 1.2 points higher. So for example if you are a 4/10 bartender and switched to surgeon you'd become a 5.2/10.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2017.12.008 (Wang 2018)
This is also in line with this study which stated that making TEN TIMES your current salary would mean at most 2 points more in an attractiveness scale. So if you are a 4/10 making 60k, you'd be a 6/10 making 600k. Good luck getting that salary bump.
http://doi.org/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1 (Dunn 2014)
Photoshopping a man into a luxury apartment made women rate him as around 1.2 points more attractive. The same manipulation had no significant effect on men rating women. Being rich as hell with a lavish lifestyle made the subject go from a 4.4/10 to a 5.6/10
https://archive.is/Y9xuc
"Job status/prestige are not significant determinants of initial interest on Tinder, for both men and women". So women don't care if you are a teacher or a neurosurgeon. Note that women STILL want you to be college educated, so don't even try it tradies.
http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/EastwickFinkel2008_JPSP.pdf
It is Looks > Personality > Money for both genders
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3441116
"Greater income does not buy more sex, nor more sexual partners" Note that it applies to both genders
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x
"We conclude that a minimum level of physical attractiveness is a necessity for both women and their mothers and that when women and their parents state that other traits are more important than physical attractiveness, they assume potential mates meet a minimally acceptable standard of physical attractiveness."
Yeah the problem is that the 2010 tech boom brought a bunch of unattractive guys into an income range (and also into trendy cities on the west coast) thereby nuking the dating scenes there.
*into an "attractive" income range
This also explains why women complain about "tech bros" showing up at dance classes and what not. They don't want unattractive men around when they themselves are trying to find a mate
nah you're fricking delusional. high quality women like programmers just like they like many white collar professions.
you don't need to be some epic alpha chad or whatever dumb gay shit you're trying to allude to. if you want a nice smart gf/wife then programming is great for attracting that type.
Anything that makes money isn't a pussy drier
See
It's related because in the adult world a woman's opinion of a man can be heavily swayed by his income
AI IS MAKING CODERS GAY
AI will give whitoids a chance to catch up
one of them in the pic is a israelite
The only thing that ai is almost good at is coding.
Does include machine assembly?
You can probably have AI do some code in assembly yes. Issue is just it needing enough code examples in training.
AI is terrible at coding.
When (and if - it's really *not* a given since LLMs don't actually think) ai can replace coders it's over for pretty much all of the white collar market anyway, so who cares
next time you ask chatgpt or copo about the code it generated, ask the runtime complexity.
The default solutions tend to be n! or n^n lol
I thought the movie did a good job of depicting in this sequence just what an unrelenting dork Zuck was/is. "Time to break out that Perl script!" What an ultramaroon.
>Is coding really this cool in real life?
Why do trannies like Zelda so much?
Link is androgynous
they like a lot of nerdy male things, because they are nerdy males with a sissy fetish
because of cosmo
There are a lot of shit software engineers like this out there. I've never seen a great programmer who's a troon, and I've worked with lots of really good software engineers.
because injecting estrogen (fricking with your hormones in general) reduces your IQ, so a lot of them are pretty fricking stupid
>he doesn't have knee-high programming socks
>buying an easy pirated book to learn how to code
lmao trannies really are fricking dumb aren't they
Physical copies are nice if you use the text as a reference frequently.
it's literally the opposite
digital copies are easily searched manipulated modified etc
Zuckeberg commented specifically that it is not. Nor did they have groupies.
>believing zuckleburg
I absolutely believe him that he and his early adulthood were boring.
Not nearly autistic enough.
Real coders are rejects in every sense of the word.
Why do you thnk there are so many trannies in the field nowadays?
This isn't 2005. Everyone knows they make bank now.
Programmers have always been weird dudes (not a bad thing.) When Facebook and other trendy tech companies emerged during the great recession they, due to the fact that they offered six figs for entry level millennials, a ton of "cool" people who could deal with the intellectual labor started going into the field. That's what actually happened. Zuckerbeg didn't make anything cool he just brought cool and attractive men into a previously incel dominated field.
The coding contest where a bunch of hot college chicks are partying and cheering on the 3 nerds interviewing for an intern position by typing on a computer was the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen put to film.
The point Sorkin was trying to make was that Faceberg and the other big tech companies made programmers look “sexy” and cool for the first time. He basically inverted the preexisting social order. That’s why it opens with chads partying with hot chicks while Zuck sits alone programming in his dorm
They didn't though. No one using the facebook thought "Wow I'd sure like to suck the wiener of whichever backend dev made this product!". They just used it to organize orgies thst Zuckerberg still wasn't invited to.
>They didn't though. No one using the facebook thought "Wow I'd sure like to suck the wiener of whichever backend dev made this product!".
NTA, you're misunderstanding. The person you're replying to is talking about Sorkin (the screenwriter) and how he wrote the characters and how the audience was supposed to see them. It inverted the social order because now you have tech bros and stacy's coding boot camp, if you look at programming 40-50 years ago it was done by fat old smelly guys with beards and it was a hobby associated with virginity. Social media of yesteryear was usenet, bbs forums, and email lists, it wasn't a platform where some obese monstrosity could post a video of themselves eating out of a pig trough and rake in thousands of dollars.
And you're misunderstanding the other anon's point, which is that Aaron Sorkin is a moronic hack.
No, I'm not, you just want to argue with me about some dumb shit I don't care about.
Learn to read dipshit
I don't care about your opinions, why would I read them? Lmfao.
Then why are you here fricking moron.
To converse with people that aren't moronic. You must be mistaking yourself for one of those people, it's okay, not your first mistake.
>To
Stopped reading right there.
>To converse with people that aren't moronic
>Cinemaphile
I spend all day at a standing desk, listening to music and trial and erroring until things work to some degree. So yeah it's pretty cool
Whether it can be probably depends heavily on your personality. For me it certainly is.
Programming is not nearly as intellectual as 50IQ code monkeys like to make it seem, and the IT sector will be the first sector to get cannabalized with the advance of AI, before any other sector(see WEF report on this).
Good riddance too, I find coders regardless of their race one of the worst creatures to work with in any company, I used to work as a business analyst and boy are these fricking Black folk a pain in the ass. You have to treat them like toddlers to extract any piece of useful information from them, they are literally incapable of explaining in a simple and concise manner what it is they're working on. Half of them have no clue what they're doing and always need somebody more senior in their team to be present so their stuttering actually makes some little sense.
To think incompetents like this take home a 6 figure salary is ridiculous. Thankfully I transitioned from a business analyst to a tech consultant position, so now instead of treating devs like toddlers I get to yell at them and make their life hell, it's actually become the highlight of my day to frick woth their heads and cut them off right in the middle when they start going on an unnecessary technical tangent and behold the look of their faces lol. No more bullshit, I make them work for every single penny they earn.
Maybe you should outline your fricking requirements instead of giving me vague hints of ideas and asking me to "code it".
I communicate client requirements to your kind, and unless you speak Chinese it is literally impossible to break a requirement down any further than "Is XYZ possible?". And when I ask if it's possible I expect an answer that isn't a stuttering mess of "we don't know", "we'll have to check" "let me ask Rajesh" "not sure" "why doesn't he do this instead" or any other such bullshit. How difficult can it be to come up with a straight "Yes" or a "No, because...." instead of using a placeholder then disappearing for weeks forcing me to follow up with you 5 times a day which somehow magically escapes your attention cause you're always working on something else? I have literal PTSD from working with moron developers.
>Just code it
>Underlying data architecture? What's that? Just say yes or no
That part is your job what the frick do you earn 150k a year for if you want others to do your dumbass job for you? I don't give a frick about technobabble either get it done or articulate why it cannot be done and present an alternative, earn that salary you paycheck thieves
I got into development specifically to avoid retail level shit like that.
You got into development because the morons in charge still don't know how to filter out the trash, they see a moron regurgitate Leetcode#3454 solution in a live interview and think he's fit for the team without checking literally anything else, like if he possesses the 90 IQ needed to explain concisely what he's working on and what the next steps are. The IT industry is by far the biggest moron magnet on this planet.
nope you're just severely overestimating the competence of people in other fields. people in IT are smarter than average. you're just humblebragging by pointing out ways in which they're still stupid.
im going to quadruple down on wasting your time now, have fun 🙂
How can somebody this bad at communicating be in charge of delivering client requirements?
The communication part is for clients, devs deserve to be treated like the livestock they are.
Sorry there were some delays, lots of moving parts to this project. Feel free to tell the client it'll be done in, oh, let's say 2 months. Actually that's when the Elden Ring DLC comes out so let's make that 3.
You do realize you cant get away with this forever? I can't wait for the future where the homeless on the street introduced himself as former SWE that got laid off for being a parasite sucking a paycheck he does not deserve until the company figured it out, that's when I'll know that the principles of justice still hold some sway in this reality.
Uh oh. Is somebody jealous of the salary and benefits? You're a glorified HR worker. Shut the frick up.
holy larp!
He's the truth chief: everything is possible. Everything can be coded. There's literally no limits. But, when you start creating deadlines, you start to create limits. It takes time to code something that can be expanded to infinity. You're making it to where they don't know where the limits are, because they're trying to meet a deadline.
Man frick you and your ilk for making me do data dumps and then getting mad that the once normalized data looks awful when shoved together on a spreadsheet
I have no idea what you're talking about, what you're saying there was actually part of my job, but even tho I'm not aware of the situation you're in I still side with the other guy cause I've dealt with too many devs in my time to trust your version of events.
>IT sector will be the first sector to get cannabalized with the advance of AI
Hah. See you then.
I've worked with people like you, you just don't realize how many details you aren't aware of so when you ask them to summarize a week's worth of code changes on the spot they have to flip a switch and try to dumb it down for you. When a more senior person steps in its because they are also aware of the hurdles in the existing code, and after the interaction with you they roll their eyes and talk shit about you. And since you do it repeatedly, they know how you "are", so they just learn to laugh you off after the conversations happen.
All the data is in the cloud, why can't you just connect it?
Two more weeks :^)
>just don't realize how many details you aren't aware of so
Why are you lot incapable of communication that doesn't immediately resort to technobabble? How hard can it be to quickly and clearly encapsulate what the frick you've been doing for the last 2 weeks? I've worked with competent devs too, so I do know there are people out there capable of actually doing their jobs, but that's a mere 20% of the donkeys I used to deal with, the rest should've never been hired at all. It's also hilarious to see you morons scramble for excuses when it turns out you've done exactly jackshit since the last meet cause you don't give frick, thankfully when you switch over to a position that's technically above yours you are no longer required to swallow lame excuses and have all the liberty in the world to put incompetents in full blast, which is a perk I take full advantage of. That's the only way to deal with you morons.
Mr. HR roastie is getting high on his own farts again. Go make me some coffee, b***h kekekek
>what are the code changes required to get this done?
>aaaahhhhh why are you resorting to technobabble?!?!?!
>AAAAHH WHY IS THE EXPLANATION SO LONG I CANT READ ALL THE COMMENTS IN THE TICKET
Just admit you're soft as shit and you're the leech hanging over someone's desk asking them to do your work
>Why are you lot incapable of communication that doesn't immediately resort to technobabble?
It's only technobabble to email jockeys like yourself. Thankfully upper execs love technobabble
>I transitioned from a business analyst to a tech consultant
didn’t you have to learn some coding/programming yourself then? how do you know what the guys are working with and how to consult them?
Programming is maybe 20% of my job, my new role is all about meeting long term important clients, hearing out their requirements, judging if they're feasible or not, and then brainstorming with a team of implementation devs to come up with the best solution, whose implementation is to be handled entirely by them but only goes through if I give the green light. In this case I'm higher in the hierarchy that the devs, unlike in the business analyst role where I was the messenger between devs and clients.
So yes, I now have an understanding of what devs work with, so I can immediately call bullshit and see straight through any technical obfuscation they might engage in, or crack the whip when the project is starting to derail off the timeline I set for them.
>I'm higher in the hierarchy
Kek this woman goes to morning standups and seethes at devs who work half as much and make twice as much as her
Tech consultants earn way more than devs little buddy, with the added bonus of yelling both at them and their manager
You're talking to a tech consultant. Time to get back to your desk and answer some emails while I sit at home in front of my open computer doing nothing, chief. Sounds like your company gave you that flashy title but from the sounds of it you're an associate sales engineer. Weak in the coding but nice to talk to. You were an easy person to shove off the project, your team recognized you as a snake, but fortunately that works for client facing cucks.
>These stupid devs get away with doing nothing!
>They're bullying me? Uhm... Heh... I actually get paid more and do even less than you do
The project wouldn't exist without me. I'm the face of the project, I instill confidence in the clients, I see it's end to end implementation and I alone deliver the results while reaping the credit, and my history of success acts as the selling point for sales when theyre about to strike a new deal with another prospective company. Without me the entire implementation team would be out on the streets selling their asses for a hot meal.
Just did the math and I've made $60 before tax to wash dishes and make a BA seethe
>the IT sector will be the first sector to get cannabalized with the advance of AI
Good thing I can do the full stack AND AI. And yes, I make 10 times your salary, how could you tell?
Because you get 0 pussy
>good thing I can do [buzzword] and [buzzword]
Your cute little Udemy certificates don't qualify as credentials codemonkey. You will forever tinker with buttons and widgets on a website nobody visits till the day you get canned for being a talentless hack.
>Your cute little Udemy certificates
I think you meant "your degrees". Stay in your lane, kid. I can retire and not work another day in my life.
>To think incompetents like this take home a 6 figure salary is ridiculous. Thankfully I transitioned from a business analyst to a tech consultant position, so now instead of treating devs like toddlers I get to yell at them and make their life hell, it's actually become the highlight of my day to frick woth their heads and cut them off right in the middle when they start going on an unnecessary technical tangent and behold the look of their faces lol. No more bullshit, I make them work for every single penny they earn.
Fricking based. I hate people who think that just because they're being verbose and regurgitating unnecessary information that they're being smart. Being smart is communicating effectively and concisely.
Frick them
>unnecessary
being a little verbose here bud looks like you probably overestimate your iq
Omg so true. Let me dial it back a little and stop being verbose and stop saying words that take time to read
thanks i’m already feeling better
doing god's work son
it's not about being verbose, it's about transmitting useful information. when you talk to these '''''people'''' they shit you plenty of technical terms that you'd have to be in their field for at least 3 years to properly understand rather than summarizing.
i know a few myself and despite liking them, they can talk too much even about simple concepts.
good luck buddy
you are an idiot and i would break you in a second
Kek. Look at all the butyhurt codemonkeys replying to this post
Elicit my wiener from your throat
I unironically hope you get hit by a fast moving vehicle, you literally got your degree by doing crayon colourings in the US and have the nerve to tell me what is and isn't simple
go frick yourself
Based. If you can't explain something easily than you don't really understand it. All of the malding replies just prove how socially inept and insecure these "people" are
If you can explain something easily then a child could do it. The reason PMs can explain what they do easily is because they don't do anything complex.
Every single activity can be explained in a watered down consice and articulate fashion, it's just that codemonkeys love obfuscating their work to seem like they deal with complicated tasks on a day to day basis and maintain the illusion of complexity to justify their paychecks.
Classic PM thought process. The cute black box diagram we draw for you so you can make your slides is not actually useful in implementing a solution.
If techtards were left to their devices without any supervisory control you'd have one line of code being pushed into your code base every year. Codemonkeys are like pre school children, you need a teacher around to ensure they complete their tasks and don't shive pencils up their noses, if this wasn't true companies wouldn't blow millions a year to hire PMs. Naturally techtards hate this, ofcourse they just want to sit on their asses and leech paychecks instead of actually doing what they're paid to do, how dare somebody keep them on track!
Wow that sounds like you must be adding a whole lot of value to the company. I assume you are even more well-compensated than lazy bones developers for your hard work.
PMs, not codemonkeys, ensure features and products are rolled out in a business like timeframe. Seethe.
Say that irl see what happens pussy
I know this is a troll post, but there are so many people like this around. 90% of business analysts and product managers add zero value. They like the idea of saying they work in tech without having the interest or the skillset to actually be good at their jobs. They they revert to a defensive nature where they play politics and b***h about lazy developers, trying to insert themselves into middleman positions on projects in a desperate attempt to display they can add value. The worst are the narcissistic ones who believe their own hype and think of themselves as digital thoughtleaders or similar. The good thing is that these people never earn as much as the devs they think they're managing and a lot end up getting fired when it's time for cuts.
PMs and BAs and Tech consultants wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the sheer incompetence and inefficiency of the codemonkey. Codemonkeys are incapable of adding value on their own, they turn into a massive resource sink if left to their own devices where nothing gets done. Codemonkeys are inherently incapable of functioning independently, which is why stuff like Agile is even around in the first place, to harvest what little value they are capable of.
It's like cows and herders, sure herders don't provide any actual product of their own, but how would one get milk from a herd of cows just standing around grazing?
>narcissist
It's funny whenever a codemonkey complains of narcissism. There's never been a workforce more narcissist than codemonkeys, they operate under the delusional that they are irreplaceable pillars of a company's operation and everyone must cater to their whims and fancies, when the value they provide is nowhere close to what they're compensated. They believe they should be in charge of everything, the moment you put a codemonkey anywhere away from it's screen you're courting disaster.
My simple advice to codemonkeys is to shut the frick up, do the job they're paid for, stop thinking they're the center of the world, start behaving professionally, and understand that they are paid to follow orders to a T, not opine on bullshit way above their pay grade. It's just that simple.
>cuts
Most codemonkey teams get cut in half during cuts btw, only somebody who's never worked in IT would claim cuts and layoffs affect everybody except codemonkeys(another product of their narcissicm). Infact even in situation where you're not in a recession or cash crunch, often times when a project runs it's course you need only a fraction of the codemonkeys to maintain it, the rest are either reshuffled or shelved or just plain laid off. Idk why codemonkeys seem to think they're immune to job cuts when all of 2022-23 proved completely otherwise.
Soft skills will always be a far more valuable skill than its contemporary code monkey. This has and always will be the case, the ability to deal with the textbook codemonkey without chucking ot off the roof is a skill worth millions alone.
Maybe it's changed now, but I remember business analysts complaining about how much contract engineers used to cost. 90% of engineers are ahit at their jobs, but then so are 90% of BAs. It goes both ways.
>The layoff round of last year was significant exercise, and now it is over, this is just an internal team reorganisation,” said the source while referring to Google’s layoff exercise in January this year where the tech giant had sacked hundreds of employees across its verticals such as engineering, hardware and other teams in order to focus on building its artificial intelligence capabilities.
Infact Google is about layoff hundreds more in this year alone, mostly just ivercompensated codemonkeys that are leeching paychecks. I bet when these morons made it Google they all fancied themselves the next Steve Wozniak, and now they'll be applying to a 100 other places and thank the heavens if Mcdonals accepts their application for the resident burger flipper.
I've seen AI coding and it's atrocious. Absolutely unusable. You need a human to babysit it and course correct every other line.
by the time AI is replacing real devs we will have AGI which is going to displace far more than just coding monkeys.
This. It will get it eventually but will probably only replace so called "code monkeys" rather than devs. So yeah, coding boot camp "degrees" might become obsolete but CS students won't.
Programming is a trade, not a "degree". Programming is far closer to being a plumber or carpenter than it is to being a psychologist. And by this I mean that the *skill* and experience are far more important than the theoretical knowledge. CS degrees have been dogshit since forever and that is why IT is one of the few high pay fields where a full quarter of the field do not have degrees. So no, degrees do not obsolete code monkeys of any kind because you are comparing apples to oranges. A CS degree is really, actually, a math degree. A programmer is really, actually, a carpenter. This comparison might seem strange to you at first, but incidentally this is why many smart people in tech think we should adopt the apprenticeship model over the university model. The skills are crucial and they can ONLY be learned by *doing*.
Honestly I don't disagree. Most of my gigs/jobs have involved random companies that have their own tech stack, none of which resembled anything that I was ever exposed to in school. Learning about data structures helped out a lot but I had a shitton of self study to succeed. So yeah I guess it really is kind of like being plumber or something where you first learn the basics and then go to a house one day and realize that they have some bizarre piping system or whatever that you've never heard and you have solve their issues regardless.
you morons just described why AI will never be a real issue. It will create 10x the amount of jobs it destroys, and the blue collar bull shit jobs won't even be touched. Babysitting an AI will be even easier than doing a coding bootcamp, and it will be more valuable.
>the tech giant had sacked hundreds of employees across its verticals such as engineering, hardware and other teams in order to focus on building its artificial intelligence capabilities.
How do you read this and come to the conclusion that it's developers on thin ice?
The conclusion is it's EVERYBODY on thin ice. Engineering specifically refers to codemonkeys, support/BAs don't come under engineering, and there aren't nearly enough PMs to constitue 100s of sacked people from engineering departments. And maybe ypu live under a rock, but this time last year my linkedin feed was filled with codemonkey seethe at being canned in the middle of the night by Google and losing access to all their systems by morning. Why are you trying to pretend Google somehow skirts around it's most expensive labour force during a cut aimed at reducing expenses?
I already said tech companies overextended back in
. Your quote just doesn't paint a uniquely bad situation for developers.
No, my reply was specifically aimed at
>The good thing is that these people never earn as much as the devs they think they're managing and a lot end up getting fired when it's time for cuts.
It's delusional to pretend only BAs and PMs bear the brunt of a layoff when codemonkeys are infact affected just as much(if not more because tech companies are mostly just codemonkeys at various levels) as the rest. And we're not even talking of non tech companies where codemonkeys are seen as a cost center rather than a revenue generator.
Oh, yeah that's dumb. The layoffs at Google were team-specific, not role-specific.
Ahh, so you work at a shithouse firm where they hire armies of shit developers/code monkeys. Well, in those firms, I have to agree with you, pay peanuts, and get monkeys. They are full of introverted developers who feel sick at the thought of answering a phone call, let alone speaking to clients or presenting. However, I have worked at other firms where the focus was on hiring strong small teams of highly paid developers who also had good knowledge of their business domain too. This is generally what you find at hedge funds and gayMAN companies. If you need to hire in a ratio of more than 20:1 developers to business analysts, then you are hiring shit developers. Unfortunately, the fact that being a software engineer is now seen as some easy path to riches means that you'll only get more of these code monkeys working for you. My advice is to work for a better company.
fricking based. There is no more coddled and entitled person on this earth than the average midwit engineer in tech
Coding is cool but building a startup business with other nerdy people and dreaming of success makes every single feature delivery an experience, especially when it works just as expected.
in the 2000s yea a lot of game studios were groups of friends and the industry was pretty small
now its mostly pajeets with the odd woman and troony
yes! Perhaps even cooler!
Never watched the movie and don't care to but goddamn the soundtrack is amazing
In real life you meet some DARPA guys at college and they make you frontman of goyimtrackerbook 9000 and you get to pretend to be smart
>I need the algorithm you use to rate chess players
couldn't he just look it up online?
He needed to make it seem magical
>whole harvard network goes down cause many people were browsing a simple PHP website
is coding worth getting in to? Thinking of a career change. Do you need to do a 1-year CS course? How does the demand for coders look in the coming years? Is it very boring or difficult?
I'm gonna be real with you anon, this is not the place to ask this. You're going to get flooded with responses from crabs in a bucket telling you to not do it. Take those with a massive grain of salt. Doomers love festering in 4chins telling people they can't do it because they couldn't do it either or because they don't want competition
>is coding worth getting in to?
probably not anymore honestly. its too saturated and difficult to stand out
>Do you need to do a 1-year CS course
They days of self-taught entry into CS are over, at least currently. Get a bachelor's degree.
>How does the demand for coders look in the coming years?
Shit right now, long run still probably better than average. People will compare it to the golden age we've been exiting though.
>Is it very boring
Depends on who you are. I don't like it very much anymore but it's not making me want to blow my brains out at work.
>or difficult?
This depends on who you are. Only way to answer that is by trying.
>days of self-taught entry into CS are over
lmfao
see what i mean
>You're a crab bucketing doomer if you point out market dynamics instead of pretending we're still in the 2010s
Just go up to the manager, shake his hand, and ask for a SWE job.
important question:
are you indian?
You're gonna be competing with the largest CS graduate pool of any decade.
Computer Science was one of the lowest populated majors when I was taking it(I graduated with 8 other people).
This year it has the biggest amount of students in my university, hundreds of grads every semester.
Guess I'm too late then. Wonder what other jobs in tech will grow in demand. Cyber security? I'm gonna talk to some friends and an old boss (electrical engineer PhD) who work in tech about this stuff too.
i know a couple guys who works in “cyber security” they make good money. relatively not that technical of a job
I just did it, learning java as we speak, it goes slowly ngl, i'm kinda moronic but time will tell if it works out. The truth is there are plenty of low wage code monkeys needed like me in the future so thats where i put my hope on.
you're competing against billions of indians who will work for packet of crisp, so good luck.
The only field I would reasonable consider is cyber security
I also have no idea what I'm talking about though
cyber security is fun
it's really absurd how much the major pen testing companies charge when the actual test ends up being skiddy tier
I also feel like it's difficult enough that there will be less pajeets, and also that it's a field that's only going to grow, not shrink. I mean I could be wrong about that, but I don't think so, especially compared to other programming fields
The job market is extremely satured right now, a million morons just graduated because its the career of le future but they fail to realize most companies want senior developers with years of experience and those that want junior developers already outsourced to some indians for minimum wages. Whether its boring/difficult depends on your focus. Web development is babby shit while embedded programming is a lot harder.
It's mostly that tech companies hired a shitload of people when the fed rate was low and laid a bunch off when rates rose. It'll take more time to filter everyone through but the job market is already recovering from the hell of last year.
>the job market is already recovering from the hell of last year.
lol no. Tech companies will continue to downsize, AI will take over many jobs, millions of new morons will continue on getting their CS degree and companies will continue to outsource to the third world. How is it in any shape way or form getting better?
AI has taken and will take zero (0) dev jobs. It's just going to make code bases even more unwieldy. Complexity of the job grows with the technology. It's like how legal docs just became longer after Westlaw was invented rather than reducing the number of lawyers.
AI has already taken jobs away. A position that used to require a team of 5 people only requires 2 now because now everyone has the power of AI to help solve or simplify tasks. But AI isn't even the main problem, its just how oversatured the market is, and how little demand there is for it.
Why do programmers have this huge amount of copium? Who are you trying to convince?
>copium
I am an AI developer. If AI puts me out of a job, it's fricking over. I am telling you this because it is true.
How much did that Coursera cert in Ai cost you kid?
$20k in student loans for my math BS. My 2nd job as a data scientist paid for my masters in CS.
>Why do programmers have this huge amount of copium?
It's not copium. I'm a programmer who uses AI assistants. It's not anywhere near being a thing that can translate complex business requirements into functional precision. I wish it was near that state, then I would it use it more often lmao.
>It's like how legal docs just became longer after Westlaw was invented rather than reducing the number of lawyers.
Lawyers have a really strong moat, regulate others out of the profession, and make the very laws that protect their status. No technology could ever reduce the number of lawyers.
I think so if you try to combine it with something. I'm an econ major that has 30 credits left to also get a computer science degree. I'm thinking of finishing those credits so I can go to grad school for financial engineering since that where it seems the banking industry is heading.
Here’s what you need to remember before getting into programming: in Outliers, Gladwell recounts a study done with college students in a pottery class. The students had never done pottery and were divided into two groups. One group was told “Over the course of the semester, make only ten vases the best you possibly can.” The other was told “Make as many vases as you can.” At the end, they held a showcase of all of the students’ best work. The one’s who limited their work to ten vases turned in mediocre work. The other group selected their best vases of the dozens they had made and were recognized as better. That’s programming. If you get into it to make your magnum opus, you’ll burn out and quit. If you limit your scope (at least while you’re still starting out) to making small projects that can be completed in a day or two, you’ll come away with a much better base of experience. Persistence is key
Absolutely not
>t.SWE
toddler coders btfo by consultant chads itt
>work at a small local company
>8 devs total including myself
>don't have to filter everything through 1000 layers of pajeet outsourcing
>actually get shit done
it's very cool when you work with other skillful people. nowadays big tech tries to throw manpower at the problem (definitely not helped with DEI unskilled diploma mill hires) and ends up with monolithic projects and insane maintenance costs. there is no replacement for small dedicated teams who understand the codebase.
>small company
you can't coast in them
I don't coast because I like coding and doing useful work. I code for fun in my free time too. I've noticed people like to brag about coasting and doing no work at their job, then turn around and wonder where inflation is coming from and why they are being replaced.
coding in my free time is keeping me sane, I hate how slow everything is in my company because we have to go through 10 different layers of teams and approvals
i can't wait until the day tech goes the way of manufacturing via outsourcing technology and AI and these overpaid morons with their overpriced wrappers on some other service lose their shirts after how big tech ruined almost everything about culture
Why do you hate me? I always do my best to be kind to others 🙁
Why did they get so much pussy?
Because of social status. When you have a lot of it, women treat you very differently.
It would be nearly impossible to concentrate and get anything done with three other people looking over your shoulder and talking.
no
No
i am an engineer and i barely write code. basically just do the high level design and pass it off to someone else to implement.
My college roommate did CS like 20 years ago. He’d sit in complete silence for like 20 minutes then type some shit then drink some coffee. Repeat that for like 6 hours. He’d finally stand up and just lean against the doorframe of his room rubbing his temples and say shit like “why won’t it work”. Then he’d repeat that process for like a week until whatever project was done. He’d drink like a dozen old styles, piss himself, and then be back to square one on Monday. Do that for 4 years and you can make a few hundred grand wrangling pajeets.
I fell for the learn to code meme, graduated with a degree in software engineering from WGU, and have been trying to get a job since. over 600 applications sent (these are just the ones on linkdin) and no job. I legitimently regret ever being positive and thinking I could make it. I'm running out of money and suicide is looking like my only option
i took two years to find a job with an ms in math. found a remote job 2000 miles from home. i was hired because the company was started by math phds and as a startup they just needed guys. buying a house 3 years later
an MS in math is a lot more impressive than my pajeet degree. the most math I ever did was just calc 1.
get an ms from a state school pretty low barrier to entry. all in all it was 6 years after finishing undergrad that i got the job
it took me 5 months to find a job but I did it. unlucky we're in a recession
We are not in a recession.
yeah we are
No we are not. Real GDP is increasing.
top goy
>suicide is looking like my only option
how many people reading have no desire to die but can't see any other long term option?
Whoever normalized the "engineers can't talk they just need to sit on their laptops and code all day" meme needs to be hanged. A coding job requires a lot of collaboration and team work, if you simply sit on your ass and code all day you're either at the lowest rung of the ladder that deals with simple grunt work passed down to you(good candidate for replacement) or you're shit at your job. I've seen so many cases where a guy is simply unable to figure out how something needs to work and instead of immediately seeking assistance and bringing the bottleneck into the limelight he'll just sit there glued to his laptop """ thinking""". Literally had a guy who wrote 3 lines of code(that too didn't pass the review) in an entire week, always stalling in the stand up and making it seem like he's actually working, before our manager had to come to me to get him moving. The issue? Resolved in 2 minutes cause the dumb arse was trying to reinvent the wheel when we already had a ready made solution for it for years but it never struck him to read the docs. Frick.
I've been learning to code recently just for fun. My problem is that I have no problem solving the coding problems and figuring out how to make a program work, but I just can't THINK like a programmer. I write functioning code, sure, but it's about four or five lines too long. Whereas it seems most people can get the solution in just one line. It makes me kind of sad and I should probably just drop it.
That's just a result of practice with the language.
>can't THINK like a programmer
It seems you have a triple digit IQ. You need to come down to double digits to emulate a programmers mindset, always have a cup of coffee/energy drink on your table cause ALL programmers juice themselves with caffein and you need to signal your conformity to the hivemind, spend all day googling your problems cause you're too stupid to come up with authentic solutions, pretend that anything you do actually requires an ounce of braincell while simultaneously operating under the facade of how you're the backbone of your company's functioning, achieve nothing of substance in crimjnal amounts of time, learn the art of dinding the right snippet of code to copy paste and modufy juat enough to serve your purpose in the most barebones fashion, then call it a day. It may take some time but you'll eventually get it.
Kek imagine seething this hard for hours. You really got buck broken by softwarechads
OK buddy, go on now, push your one line of untested garbage code(2 months of work) into your janky bloated repo, pat yourself on the shoulder for a job well done and demand a double point appraisal for ypur contribution in ensuring that the 50 issues that flare up 7 versions down the line are all traceable right back to your commit.
you should find a way to get your company to stop hiring indians
do it yourself
I work in control systems, back in my college days CStards were mocked viciously for calling themselves engineers when the level of math they studied was toddler tier statistics crap and bullshit linear algebra/set theory/graphs. The rest of their course can be boiled down to cramming theory and leetcode. Please refrain from calling such monkeys engineers, it makes us real engineers look bad. Thanks!
This movie really tried to make these israeli nerds into gigachads and it was laughable. With all his billions he still couldn't pull a white woman.
>don't pick CS bro its over because of ai and le pajeets (even though if this was true it would apply to every white collar job in existence)
>do a trade instead and crawl round in peoples literal shit fixing pipes or whatever until you have to retire from back problems
You Black folk are NOT convincing anyone. Still doing CS, seethe and cope.
enjoy being unemployed after you graduate
It has like the 4th highest rate of employment after graduation. What are you even talking about. This seems like a uniquely amerishart problem
>client brings up an issue that has been persisting for multiple versions and demands an explanation for why it still hasn't been fixed
>search the archives, find a ticket documenting the issue
>pending status
>open the associated problem ticket attached to the issue that the devs are supposed to work on
>be greeted with 50 notifications of various codemonkey teams reassigning said problem from one team to another with one line buzzword ridden explanations on why they shouldn't have to handle it
>Still pending, last message posted 5 months back
>reach out to the currently assigned team, turns out the dev working on it is long gone and nobody is even aware of the issue
>haggle, manage to fix a timeline promising updates
>open problem ticket again 1 week later
>10 more buzzword ridden messages reassigning the ticket between 3 more teams
>go through the same song and dance
>final message: "This issue isn't a priority and will be worked on in a later version as and when the team finds the bandwidth"
>deftly added to the ever growing list of Known Issues
>Closed
The truly impressive part is how the entire IT industry hasn't imploded on itself with such a dazzling display of work ethics
Literally me
No one gets credit for solving issues. You only get credit for being assigned issues that get solved. Of course I'm going to resist working on any task not given to be by upper management and pass on everything I can to someone else.
Atleast you're honest about being a paycheck thief that brings nothing of value to the table, kudos for that!
>Nooooo you are STEALING from the company! That's quiet quitting! You're a quiet quitter!
No worries, I'll be out of your hair in 2 years when I accept a job elsewhere for another 30% salary increase. If you're lucky, they won't even replace me with an Indian.
If you're lucky you won't land up under somebody like me who makes you slog your ass off for your paycheck like you should, I pray you're unlucky.
The LARP is getting embarrassing now.
Shouldn't you be accustomed to it by now given how you and your fellow codemonkey tards LARP as productive wagies every single day of your lives?
Kek you got any more? Atleast I now know I'll never venture in a BA role even if my life depended on it
I don't know what coding is, but why don't you just ask a computer to do it for you lmao
Suppose you're 16 and planning on what to study, ideally something you at least halfway like that's not usually 70 hours/week, and you'd prefer six figures -- what do you do?
You have to be 18 to post here but it sounds like CS is for you.
Proper Engineering(Mech/Electrical/Aero etc CS is not engineering). Very chill hours, a group of laid back actual professionals and not soi guzzling skinny fat man children as coworkers, decent pay(6 figures but not CS level), opportunity to work on something tangible and not 1s 0s on a screen, pretty standard progression and the risk of being laid off is much lower because you make actual contributions in your line of work that normalgays cannot unlike CStards that frick around with aligning widgets till a cheaper CStard comes around, intellectually stimulation work, lots of potential to do proper physical work too of you are into that sort of thing, etc
The con is your major will be tough and you will need to work hard to get through.
Lmao the seething is real, aside from the shitty coworkers you're full of shit, CS is quite easy, has a low workload - except if you work in one of the big - great progression and you often see tangible results.
You find it easy because CS in the US is a joke compared to other countries, still getting a foot in the door nowadays is harder than ever and that's the real challenge not getting the degree and then you find zoomers who followed the gold rush crying because they have sent 1000 applications and they are still getting rejected after months
I don't even live in the US, I live in France.
For CS see
>Yay I just made a little button on a web page that redirects you to another webpage big whop
Vs
>I just recalibrated a pressure sensor to account for the flow of a variable viscosity industrial stimulant that adheres to the specification of the pipe it flows through thereby saving millions in infrastructure spending and ensuring the process goes on as smoothly as before
There's a reason why engineering is closed off to actual qualified and intellectually evolved applicants as opposed to CS that takes in any bootcamp grad who blew a 1000$ to learn outputting "Hello World" into the console.
>There's a reason why engineering is closed off
Regulatory capture.
Nope, the bar is set high because a CS monkey who watched a Django tutorial on Youtube is by no means fit to operate in a factory setting handling a process that is the key to a million dollar value chain where the slightest of errors could result in a catastrophe. In CS errors are common place in the form of bugs due to lax standards and the shitty quality of labour.
Literally any engineering field (mechanical, civil, chemical) degree can be completed in 4 years and get a well paying job (might not be ABOVE six figures for some disciplines but pretty close) out of college. You HAVE to job hunt every few years if you want to get paid substantially more. Do not go into programming just because you want to earn a lot of money (it's not a lot unless you're working for FANG due to all the surplus of junior level programmers) because it's absolutely soulless. You will be making what are essentially digitized forms for the rest of your life.
Don't believe whatever bs you tell yourself that you have to make six figures either. That's burger brained thinking. I thought the same thing and I make good money now but I'm miserable at work, wish I picked a completely different career path that didn't have me stationary for 8-10 hours looking at a computer screen attending corporate meetings where I want to blow my brains out. It completely killed gaming for me, I think I played a total of 10 minutes last month.
>It completely killed gaming for me
are you in gamedev?
The real reason CS is full of autist isn't the work load, which is actually quite low, rather it is because the structure of computer science favors heavy introversion.
Don't know how to say it but you need to have a structured way of thinking, heavy introverts have an easier time doing that since they spend a lot of time in their thoughts. For extraverted people it's way harder because they are not train to think that much, the only time I've seen extraverted people being good at programing is when they are highly intelligent, in which case they have an easier time compensating.
All the actual autists major in engineering, CS is for LARPing morons that watched 1 season of Mr Robot and show up to work in a hoody
Ruby and Go chads where you at
Ruby on Rails triggers me. From my experience with web dev. MERN stack is king. The fact that everything is explicitly connected is all the more gratifying. Where my swift-ties at?
frick off snowflake
>he believes in ruby "magic"
The syntax is cool but it needs a less moronic framework
it can be
I'm a concept artist and all I know about programmers is that they really despise making new shaders. I just want the armor to be shinier guys make it fricking happen.
I want to learn coding so I can contribute to the development of AI robowaifus and make a VR Ben 10 game. But not joking, I feel in the next years knowing how to code will be as important as knowing how to use windows. People say that AI will steal jobs, but you still need coders to program them, at least for now. And I don't see zoomers doing a lot of that tbh. Everyone making a life out of social media gains is one less coder, doctor, and so on.
To add to this, think of how many things will need coding in the close future: robots, systems, AI. I don't think coding will end in this generation, you'll still need someone to tell the robot to not bite your dick off (or to do it).
It's mind-numbingly tedious if you treat it as a means of making money and prostitute yourself out to companies that will extract every ounce of soul from you to turn a profit.
>trying to gatekeep 'coding'
You guys are pathetic
it used to be, long time ago
is there any reason to learn it in current year? I spent the last 15 years in front of a computer and never learned this shit.
if yes which language is going to be relevant with all the AI and stuff?
No, coffee isn't good for you. but java is
People who think AI will replace programmers any time soon are moronic. ChatGPT, for example, is very useful for asking how you might write an algo to solve a particular problem or even for writing a skeleton for a simple client--server application. However, for anything real life, like building something that requires tens of distributed microservices communicating over different protocols that all need to be on 24/7, no. This is the fantasy of company executives that they may one day be able to say:"Build me a new social networking app that is like LinkedIn and Facebook combined". This won't happen any time zoon and if AI gets to that stage, devs being our of work willl be the least of their worries.
>Build me a new social networking app that is like LinkedIn and Facebook combined
Prompted Devin AI to do this and I already have a working product 2 minutes later. Why do I need a programmer again?
Post source, genuinely curious.
Yeah I love my job. I doesn't even feel like a job. It's just solving puzzles all day from home, with 4cuck on my second monitor
This is why work from office should be made mandatory. That way I'll know who accesses Cinemaphile and have a ready list of PIPtards when the next layoff cycle comes around
I'm untouchable, buddy. I know how to play office politics, which people to keep on my side and who I can ignore. I'm the only person who knows the whole codebase, and everyone knows it.
Been at my workplace longer than all others in my department (8 years), in Europe, meaning that even IF they wanted to fire me they'd have to pay me a shitload of money.
My last PM was a fricker like you who thought he could strong-arm me into working harder. I told him to kick rocks and shit talked him until everyone distrusted him. He quit. Next one better be a good little dog or he's not gonna last long.
>I'm untouchable, buddy. I know how to play office politics, which people to keep on my side and who I can ignore. I'm the only person who knows the whole codebase, and everyone knows it.
Been at my workplace longer than all others in my department (8 years), in Europe, meaning that even IF they wanted to fire me they'd have to pay me a shitload of money. My last PM was a fricker like you who thought he could strong-arm me into working harder. I told him to kick rocks and shit talked him until everyone distrusted him. He quit.
Then I woke up and went to my job where the chad BAs bullied me again for speaking with a stutter and Stacy filed an HR complaint cause I shit my pants.
>Then I woke up and went to my job where the chad BAs bullied me again for speaking with a stutter and Stacy filed an HR complaint cause I shit my pants.
gonna be honest you sound like a schizo man
This BA vs Programmer ranting is pretty cute, but neither would have a job if sales didn't convince boomers to invest in their junk. Sales, as always, reigns supreme(also immune to AI)
Find me an ACTUAL BIOLOGICAL FEMALE software engineer. I fricking dare you.
Damn from the thumbnail I thought it’d be a Silicon Valley thread. Maybe I’ll make one of those
Sledgehammer and Pvt Corn Stalk were in a movie together?
Do programmers/devs actually think that they are masculine? I've always wondered this. Are they just autists who are totally unaware of how they appear to others?
>grew up in bay area
>never got into tech
>still live with mommy and daddy in bay area despite being 32
>still never got into tech, never got into anything
i know everyone thinks that tech employees are insufferable but i wish i was one of them.
Why don't women want to date young single guys make over $100k? I don't understand this weird prejudice against programmers.
because you're autistic. and like clockwork, mentioning immediately your six figure salary. because its all you have in your life.
I'm just lonely OK?
>go on Cinemaphile or any typical site full of incels
>everyone talks about "beta providers" for women, don't be the one a woman "settles" for, etc.
>meanwhile, everyone is an engineer/programmer and as this thread shows the only positive thing you have to talk about is your salary and how women want high earners
the most pathetic profession on the planet. jesus christ, can you imagine what its like having to work with and interact with these fricking autists on a day to day basis. holy shit.
AI will replace all professions except programmers. Women will HAVE TO FRICK US when we are the only men with means.
lol moron, AI is going to make autists and people with computational skills useless. The only people who will be worth anything are people with soft skills and who can communicate AKA NOT YOU. Also the ownership class, but that's perpetual.
t. brainlet
"AI" at this point is just predicting the next word based on the billions of sentences/paragraphs/etc that they have been trained on. They can't do basic math reliably, let alone program. The models can produce something that resembles boilerplate code along with a bunch of weird shit that devs will have to remove (because written language is fundamentally different from programming languages.)
>what is wolfram alpha
I have no idea why I even spend time on this site with ESLs who have less than an 8th grade Myanmar education.
you know what would be awesome? if we woke up tomorrow and the entire tech industry and everyone who worked in it just disappeared overnight, just completely vaporized without a trace. imagine how much better off the world and society would be.
You severely undervalue how useful it is to have information travel around the world instantly. Trust me you don't want to live in our ancestors world. This is the best time to be alive!
Not for young men (or really any man under 50 honestly.)
For women it's a utopia though
I dont want to live how they lived, it sounds difficult and boring
but I would be a better person for it, and would probably enjoy things more
A lot of coping and seething in this thread. I feel privileged to work remotely for a small tech company that only hires within the US with no degree. Granted my job is bullshit low IQ React work but it pays the bills, and isn't my life. Also everybody I work with is a normal white guy, no soi homosexuals, no beta shit, no real issues. Also with it being so small everybody is accountable for their code.
Based job identity segmenter . It's all the same hamburger at the end of the day.
Why does Sorkin love sucking off elite american institutions?
Not when you have to do it for some moronic company with SCRUM masters, incompetent co-workers and five useless managers telling you how to ruin your beautiful code.
"beautiful code" pls don't, just KISS. nothing worse then trying to resolve some bug in a codebase from some Black person was trying to be cute with his code.
Beautiful code is simple readable code, moron. You're one of the people I wouldn't want to touch it.
that's what im talking about numbnuts, everything I write I try to be mindful of technical debt.
lol you are definitely one of those guys who uses algorithms instead of data structures aren't you? They are the only dudes who whine about code review and "elegance."
This post is moronic
t. code monkey
no
more like
> ah damn I dont know how to code
> stack overflow
> ctrl c
> ctrl v
Would you like a job for $180k/year?
thanks.
as for me i just put everything into hashsets with an avg time of O(1) worst case os O(n log n)
>try to learn coding during Covid in 2020
>got super bored within 2 lessons
How do people do this shit all day?
it paid the bills i got started cracking then got hired and made a lifestyle house wife etc
i wont say coding is fun it is very mundane, but back when i cracked software that was fun
autism, troonyism, and a severe aversion to sunlight.
what else are they gonna do
If you can't into sales but you still want a six figure/white collar job then it was a go to for awhile. Code monkey Jobs are drying up though
if he's asking about programming on Cinemaphile i doubt he'd last a day in sales
my job as a programmer was mostly being the image of IT guy while traveling states, but then i provided code that increased productivity too as a bonus