Is GOT a good adaption of ASOIAF?
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Look what they did to Stannis and you'll have your answer
>the Wildlings are at camp, showering Jon with gifts and the songs of their people
>Jon smiles, enjoying this valuable cultural experience
>a cry is heard in the distance
>suddenly, the camera pans to the thundering stampede of a thousand men on horses
>we see Stannis driving the men to fight by cracking a flaming whip
>"FORM RANKS, YOU DOGS"
>in the distance, Wildling women and children are burning, the soundtrack a high screaming wail
>"TAKE THE WOMEN FOR OUR THRALLS," Stannis shouts, "FEED THE BABES TO THE FIRES"
>"Yes," cries Davos, "R'hllor hungers!"
>Jon looks on, his face grief-stricken
>"Seven save us," Jon whispers, "he's even making the women and children pay the Iron price!"
>after defeating the Wildlings, Stannis meets Jon on top of the Wall
>"You're the oathbreaking bastard that killed the Halfhand and copulated with a savage Wildling. You're just like your moronic brother and useless father, a traitor and an oathbreaker. Give me one reason why I shouldn't behead you."
>"I'm the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch!" Jon pleas
>"Davos come here," Stannis beckons
>Davos asks "Your grace?"
>Stannis pushes Davos off the Wall.
>"Melisandre, quickly, get my guards. Lord Snow killed my Onion Knight."
is he more important in the books? in the show he felt like a third wheel for more important stuff.
>is stannis more important in the books
well yes obviously
Yes, he's also a completely different character
Stannis was designed as a character to snap, go mad, and pass the point of being irredeemable. He may have a short arc in the books where he starts burning his men and then gets turned into a wight, but that’s about it
>Stannis was designed as a character to snap, go mad, and pass the point of being irredeemable
That's literally not true since Stannis is way more humane and emotionally mature at this point in the books than he was at the beginning.
"Half of my army is made of nonbelievers. There will be no more burnings! Pray harder."
He's learned to appreciate companioship and to 'bend' in his views. He wasn't that in the beginning. The show totally butchered him. Shireen wasn't the only one instance of that though, him begging Melissandre for pussy and going to the Iron Bank to grovel were totally out of character way earlier.
>Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day.
I like stannis too anon, but his role in the story is clear. He’s a good guy but more willing to sell his soul and kill his brother than adapt.
He didn’t change at all, he’s getting pushed further and further to breaking is all. If there’s a central theme in asoiaf it’s that everyone needs a balance: ice and fire, passion and loyalty, honorable but willing to compromise. Stannis is there to be a min-maxed character who falls to ruin. Compared to Robert and Renly, yes, but also there to be compared to Jon (who compromises for the right reasons), Ned (who compromises for the right reasons), even Jamie (who is learning when it’s important to be steadfast/loyal and when to compromise)
Why do you quote moron donal noye who didnt see stannis in a decade
>Stannis cannot change.
>Changes his religion, his allegiances, his allies, his view on the Wildlings...
No, anon, Stannis is supposed to be someone who is unlikeable, uncharismatic, unsympathetic - but who actually makes, mostly, the right choices.
>selling your soul to a sorcerer to kill your bratty brother to get a throne that’s “yours by right” (that your brother only got through force) is “the right” move
Look anon, I get it, you like stannis. I already said I like him too, but his role in the story is pretty obvious, it’s his only main character trait and even Davis realizes it. He will break before he bends, and the story keeps putting him under more and more pressure so that we see that happen. Why do you think D&D were so comfortable killing him offscreen? George told them what happens with the character and they didn’t like it.
All of this would be fine, if not for the fact that, except for the battle of Blackwater, he won every other engagement and succeeded in every other venture.
Also, I’ll add, the religion isn’t something Stannis is actually compromising on, because he was never a true believer. He still refers to rhollor as “your god”. He wants the throne, not to make the god happy.. if the old gods were more useful than the lord of light he’d jump ship to them in a second.. that’s also why a guy like Stannis will ditch the religion he was raised with in the first place.
>Stannis was designed as a character to snap, go mad
Stannis designed is the epitome of a subversive "hero" character
He is uncharismatic, stubborn, no nonsense and unwilling to entertain anything that isn't directly related to his goals. Stannis liberating North from the Bolton's instead of having everyone favorite snowflake Jon do it is absolutely something GRRM would write.
They dredged up some Feast stuff with Jaime in the Riverlands and then had some non sensical marvel spectacle that Burlington bar viewers loved
>end of season 6
>good
>any of season 6
>good
LOL
what happened at the end of season 6 again anyway? is that the sept getting blown up episode and then varys teleports from across the world to assemble the shitty dornish avengers?
big battle where the good guys get saved by a huge cavalry force at the last minute
i loved lotr: return of the king
I always found it hilarious that the highest rated episode of the show and universally considered one of, if not the absolute best one in the entire show is the one where it tries to go full epic lotr style. Goes on to show how superior it is to martin's le subverted your expectations cringy character drama
>Goes on to show how superior it is to martin's le subverted your expectations cringy character drama
That doesn't make any sense at all, considering that the best seasons were the ones most faithful to the books. You're obsessed with this nonexistent rivalry and embarrass yourself in every thread like a Black person lol
Battle of the Bastards is overrated trash with a deus ex ending
Hardhome is a much better episode
Battle of the Bastards followed by the sept blowing up. They were excellent episodes and share the highest imdb rating of the show 9.9 with the Rains of Castamere. Revisionists will try and convince you actually they were terrible but they are deluded morons.
Nah they were terrible.
Battle of the bastards
>Why didn’t Sansa tell Jon about the army of the vale arriving?
>The Bolton circular formation was moronic and would have resulted in shields clashing amongst each other when going in, and spears could have easily been pulled
Winds of winter
>Cersei just kills everyone with no reprocessing.
>No one gives a frick that the religious centre gets blown up, the peasants just sit there with an upset face
>Cersei having any following after that stunt,
There are equally big plotholes in the original novels. For example, Tyrion not killing Littlefinger when arriving in King's Landing, even though:
>he was Hand of the King, and thus had all the power he wanted,
>Littlefinger had no one's backing, so killing him posed no threat,
>Tyrion knew Littlefinger is blamed for the war,
>Tyrion knew Littlefinger is behind almost getting him killed, and Tyrion is perhaps the most spiteful and vindictive character in the series,
>Tyrion knew Littlefinger was cooking the books A.K.A. stealing from the king, so he had every legal reason to have him executed, as well
Instead he does nothing.
Agreed. I have this problem as well. The books give this half-assed explanation that Tyrion needs him because he’s a good master of coin, though it feels pretty damn weak considering he has the kings guard at his heel
t. just watched that one preston video
Go frick yourself, homosexual. Preston Jacobs didn't invent those observations, they've been made by people on various forums for the last 15 years.
>needs him because he’s a good master of coin
And at the same time he knows Littlefinger is cooking the books, which contradicts his own statements.
By the by, in a recent interview GRRM mentioned that he discovered, whilst writing, that he killed a character he would actually need for his endings to work. Any guess whom he meant?
yeah I know I just said that because I in fact just watched that preston video
>Any guess whom he meant?
Pfff I don’t know… Quentyn Martell?
Kevan Lannister. The greatest house is missing a lord.
>Any guess whom he meant?
It has to be Hodor, now he has nobody to hold the door
that plothole pales in comparison to the two examples above though. You can argue that Tyrion had far more to worry about than investigating Petyr during his brief tenure as Hand, like preparing for Stannis' siege for starter. After the siege was over, Tyrion lost the position of Hand to Tywin and Petyr got elevated to the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands, so he couldn't do anything even if he wanted to.
>Take a fat shit on the street
>Hey you can't do that!
>But I saw another person shitting on the street years ago so that makes it okay!
Something happening you don’t want isn’t a plot hole,
Little finger was a fixer and a spy for the king, he’s untrustworthy but that’s his whole point why would Tyrian kill him?
>I should just kill my untrustworthy scheming lackey for being untrustworthy and scheming
No you are just dumb
You moronic ape, Tyrion order the murder of a minstrel just because he ANNOYED him. He really is a vindictive, spiteful imp. And now he would let a man he could kill at any moment, who tried to have HIM killed, live - just because?
Almost every action Tyrion takes in the books is to spite someone, or to take vengeance upon someone who slighted him.
In the books it's outright impossible for him to burn his daughter, since she's at Castle Black, while he is marching towards Winterfell. If anything, it'll be Mellisandre who burns her to resurrect Jon Snow.
That's not a plot hole, Tyrion in the books is a lot more like Cersei than he thinks he is. Just like Cersei he vastly overestimates his own intellect, and just like Cersei he wastes his most valuable political opportunities focusing on personal drama, and also like Cersei he's a slave to his genitals and easily manipulated with sex.
But Tyrion is a good guy, c'mon. He hates and fears only his father, everyone else he thinks he can outmaneuver.
I know you're saying it sarcastly, but morons like
are seriously giving him the personality he has in the show.
To all non-bookgays - Tyrion in many ways is exactly what people tell he is - he is cruel, vindictive, extremely spiteful and vengeful. He never forgives a grudge, even at his own detriment, and even when he knows it. There is no way in Hell he wouldn't have Littlefinger's head on a spike the moment he arrived at King's Landing - but of course, GRRM needed him alive, and failed to give a good reason why he wasn't killed.
It's also obvious he'll be the one who will push Denaerys into embracing her violent, cruel urges. I am almost certain the burning of King's Landing will occur, at least partially, thanks to him goading the Dragon Queen into action.
nah, jon literally being buried in dead bodies was kino of the highest order
Cersei didn't need or want a following. She was done with politicking and decided to terrorize the plebs into submission and rule through fear.
What were the peasants going to do, stage an uprising? Their best shot at doing that just got nuked from orbit. They all understood if Cersei can murder the High Sparrow and the Tyrells with impunity as soon as anyone else decided to get uppity they were toast. She'd successfully consolidated power
>Cersei didn't need or want a following
Then why the frick was she ever threatened by the high septon at all?
Because he'd incarcerated her against her will, publicly humiliated her and was putting her on trial? She wasn't worried about losing a popularity contest, the problem was losing power and control.
The church needed the support of the plebs to have leverage. They weren't powerful or wealthy enough to hold sway over the entire city by force. The faith militant only had arms in the first place because Cersei herself armed them. Whereas Cersei could strongarm everybody into submission once the majority of the church was eradicated because all the people fanatical enough to fight to the death for the church died in the sept. The average pleb might have supported the church but they weren't going to storm the castle and face down armed guards with the entire religious leadership already gutted.
The Winds of Winter also has the most egregious teleportation moment in the series. Cersei blows up the Sept, word travels to Highgarden, Olenna goes to Sunspear, both the Reach and Dorne assemble a massive armada, the armada goes all the way from Oldtown to Meereen, Dany loads a massive army onto the boats, and the armada sails back across the Narrow Sea to Dragonstone all in about a week
Jon turning into a complete fricking idiot on the battlefield is also horrendous
>Know you're dealing with a manipulative psycho
>Sansa tells you not to fall for whatever ruse he has in store
>Fall for it anyway just to make Sansa cooler and smarter than you
>Winds of winter
hold on. the episode does not really progress much beyond her crowning ceremony which coukd have been at sword's tip for all we know. they didnt need to address that in the finale but yeah they dropped the ball in season 7
just watched a clip of the entire battle of the bastards... and i'll say it still holds up. i thought there were some elements that were a bit cartoonish at the time like Jon having Mjollnir-level plot armor or the rohirrim arriving to save the day, but overall the chaos of the battle and the sheer scale of death is someting that just isnt captured in these big battle scenes often
The idea that Cersei could just blow up the Pope in St. Peters basilica and get rewarded with the throne is beyond moronic. The entire show turned into bizarro westeros in that moment.
The mob in Kings Landing were only relevant in the first seasons, after that they let the Lannisters get away with everything
It shouldn't just be the KL mob that's pissed about that. She murdered members of her own house which in a sane world should lead to the Lannisters in the Westerlands cutting her off if not denouncing her outright. The way they ended up writing Cerseis powerbase was even more loose and fast than the Northern Lords with their 10-second respawn rates.
>b-but the spies and the zombie mountain
Great, so now she has the equivalent of a couple of drones and an Abrams tank to police Baghdad.
Who else in King's Landing would have claimed it? She would have had them killed. Most people aren't going to immediately frick with a genocidal maniac who currently sits on the throne
>who else
anyone but Cersei. She has zero claim to the throne. The throne goes to the closest relatives on Robert's line, not her. The Baratheons definitely married their daughters to other houses in the past, and the descendants of these daughters are now next in line. It's a plot point in the book that the North will pass to some random house in the Vale because if Robb dies because his grand aunt married into them.
With Joffrey and Tommen dead.... doesn't that make Stannis the rightful King? Oh wait, D&D killed him off in S5.
>A victorious King Stannis at Winterfell, the North restored. Raven from the capital: Cersei's abominations are all now dead, Cersei destroyed the Sept of Baelor. We need Our King. Stannis marches south in a stately procession to walk right into the capital and take the Iron Throne.
STANNIS
STANNIS
STANNIS
Someone with a claim and a following I'd say.
Battle of the bastards is fricking moron and emblematic of the show's downfall
>I haven't got the men to take them in a straight up fight, so I will march right up to them in battle order
Really Jon, you don't think there might be some other tactics you can employ - you know, shit you might have learned as a ranger fighting with asymmetric warfare against another unstoppably large force?!?
>Falling for Ramsay's shit when he has been told in absolute terms by Sansa what to expect
Any other character, and I mean ANY other character would have died for that, even in the later seasons
>Sansa didn't tell him about the most powerful heavy cavalry force on that side of the world that she had in her pocket
Everything about this has already been said, the later seasons made her a stupid and spiteful c**t for no other reason than generating drama where there need be done
Tyrion knew it was Littlefinger's dagger, he did NOT know why he caused the war and at whom's behest. Littlefinger is also incredibly useful - Tyrion himself uses Littlefinger to make the overtures to the Tyrells which hearkened the defeat of Stannis.
This is kind of the reason Littlefinger is unstoppable, he acts basically randomly with no other aim than disrupting the realm's power structures so that he can seize what he wants out of the chaos. At time of the book's beginning he's small time enough that it's inconceivable he's making his moves without a benefactor, yet important enough that you can't just swipe his head off without causing a ton of problems.
Catching out Littlefinger is like trying to catch a pure sociopath serial killer with no motive or reliable pattern - basically impossible.
(Different anon)
Littlefinger was a terrible plot device. He was the shared element between houses that allowed them to double cross each other. And the entire time, NONE of these intelligent people go "hey that guy is actually really untrustworthy." Bullshit.
dis homie wrote 'at whom's behest' without a hint of sarcasm
the aerial shot at the end made no sense at all... you're telling me men with long pikes aren't gonna' turn around to face the charging cavalry? at least some of them? how did they not see the knights of the vale AT THAT POINT?
Ramsey the governor of the north as that point, as a whole foreign army walking for hundreds of miles on his own land and he is never made aware of it, just kek
cringe as frick "HAHA SHE IS SAYAN GET IT, CINEMOOOTOGROPHY" This show became reddit after they ran out of book source material and made Euron a cartoon
i remember laughing my shit off when i saw that scene. it was such the perfect homosexual shot to cap off how unbelievably awful the last season was
>Hats off, my queen!
They weren’t terrible but they were the most Dan and David spectacles the show produced and set the tenor for seasons 7&8. Sept Explosions was the dumbest shit that purely existed to cut actor budget and not have to write a satisfying ending to the Tyrell storyline. Essentially if you liked those episodes but don’t like season 7&8 you’re a hypocrite and bandwagon hater.
Remember when Dick-on ran in a straight line away from the guy arcing arrows at him from a mile away?
I don't remember that I thought he became a gay emperor
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They were dogshit when they came out and the only people who think they were good are homosexual redditors.
>OMG like, they are BOTH bastards
>AND they are like, TOTALLY gonna fight in le epic battle
>ON TOP OF THAT they are fighting to save Sansa!
>OMG look at that spear formation I imagine that's exactly how they fought back then!
>NOO RAMSEY YOU BETTER NOT HECKIN KILL RICKON!
>Jon Snow is surrounded what can he possibly do now I am at the edge of my seat!
Season 6 is heckin cute and valid
Battle of the bastards and it’s set up makes no sense.
>Jon decides to fight the Bolton’s in a pitched battle where he would obviously have the disadvantage.
>The northern armies don’t react to the giant and no one thinks to give WonWon a weapon of any sort when we’ve seen Giants use weapons with great effectiveness
>SmallJon just gives Ramsey fricking Rickon for no apparent reason, when keeping Rickon would’ve easily been a better play in the long run
>The Umbers and Karstarks are just cool with Ramsey just murdering his dad and Rickon for no reason.
>Roose trusting Ramsey in the first place would always baffle me too
GoT stopped being good at the end of season 4, and hadn’t been great since season 1
>bodies piling up sky high in medieval battle
>getting ambushed by an enemy army on home turf
>getting surrounded by an enemy force instead of fleeing
if you don't recognize how moronic the episode was i got bad news the moron is you
Danny sailing to Westeros. The main cast finally meeting and the dragons was exciting. Shame it led to such mediocrity
Arya killing the Freys was pretty good tho
>dude this entire house of hundreds of people are all pure ontological evil and poisoning them all indiscriminately is epic and badass, so is chopping up their bodies and baking them into pies, totally badass not batshit psycho stuff! look how these dozens of unnamed nobodies all drop dead, now clap and yell "YASSSS!"
>this will never be mentioned again and have zero consequences either on character development or the story!
it was shit
In the books (if they come out) it'll probably be Stoneheart who'll perform Red Wedding 2.0.
There's an upcoming wedding between a Lannister and Frey.
>if they come out
>In the books (if they come out)
I have to laugh that you think they will at all. GRRM has more money than god, The only work he has done is a half blank word document page, since the series.
When you are that rich, sitting down to write something like this is more akin to school homework, he has already """""made it"""""" so to speak. He is not going to spends his last few years of life chained to a computer.
Oh, you didn't understand me, anon. I fully expect that "Winds of Winter" will come out... eventually. But I equally fully expect that the subsequent novel(s) will be written post-mortem by other authors based on his notes.
>But GRRM said he doesn't want that.
Yeah, and Tolkien specifically wanted other authors to write stories based in the setting he created. Then Christopher took over and shat all over that idea.
You just don't realise how bad Walder fricked up with his red wedding antics. That shit is heavily frowned upon. But then again, the way you tell it does make me think. Nah, i still like it, suspension of disbelief and all. I mean dragons and white walkers and all, that shit wasnt too weird among it all.
>That shit is heavily frowned upon.
It's the ultimate sin in the North. The Freys are dead men walking at this point, since no house outside of the Lannisters will ever want to have anything to do with them.
It's bad because it's literally just a moment. It has no bearing on anything else, ever. It has nothing to do with the in-universe fact that the Freys are obviously not liked, it's a storytelling failure. It's pure spectacle that adds nothing and means nothing.
Yeah but thats basically all of the last seasons. Especially the last episodes. Its like a summary of a summary trying to make all ends meet.
>suspension of disbelief and all. I mean dragons and white walkers and all
This disingenuous argument has been defeated six million times already.
>The next day he was back with the same points, only now he acted astonished as he didn't remember ever saying that.
>Gradually, I began to hate them.
Yeah it's not so much that she killed the entire house more or less, that's okay, but it came across as too edgy and kind of unearned considering how quickly it happened.
Read the rat king, guest right is THAT important, Arya literally did nothing wrong.
my problem with it has absolutely nothing to do with the question of "is walder frey a big meanie or not"
All the Freys broke guest right, they were all in on it so all had to pay. Simple as.
it's got biblical overtones, the guest right is a sacred right. it's like moses sending the plagues, were all of the people killed there pure onotological evil too? no but they had to be destroyed
>showgay implying the end of season 6 was somehow better than season 1
Its because of the Battle of the Bastards. The set up to this battle was beyond moronic and the battle itself was insanely stupid. It was the definition of midwit goyslop. It hit the right notes for the monkey brain normies to get hyped but it was stupid. Even if you never read the books you'd be extremely annoyed by the North subplot.
This has to be bait.
No matter what happens in the books there's no way the entirety of House Frey gets killed off in one fell swoop. It'd have to be a serious of unconnected events and even then I doubt it'd occur. There's so many of them and they're fricking everywhere.
Season 2 is the plot of the second book explained to a 5 year old. They cut like 90% of the characters. We missed out on so much lore and kino moments. The first 4 seasons of the show were carried by the moments they chose to keep in.
>refuse to adapt more than half of the last two books
>claim you ran out of book material
From the books alone we could've had 6-8 seasons of 13-16 episodes. Bare in mind Dany hasn't taken back Meereen yet, Jon just died, Cersei hasn't had her trial, Stannis hasn't reached Winterfell and Bran hasn't escaped the cave yet. This is how far we are into the story by the end of the books so far and that's still even by the lowest estimate thats more screentime than the actual show we got. Don't talk about a lack of source material.
This was very good
that was shit
Battle of the Bastards was (mostly) kino
Wun Wun should have lived and Rickon shouldn't have even existed
The end of season 6 has two of the three highest rated episodes of the show. It was kino and only contrarians say otherwise.
do you get all your opinions from IMDB?
It's not *my* opinion. It's the general consensus. If you don't like something with a 9.9 rating, the problem is you and not the product.
>don't like a politician who was voted into power? consensus is consensus, the problem is you not them, chuddy
best 3 episodes:
Hardhome
Red Wedding
Blackwater
not bad, I would include the fookin legend ep, not that its a great battle just a great ep
Don't remember anything that happens in Hardhome besides the ending
hardhome is and I fricking hate those seasons but that ep kicked fricking ass, it was good shit
They're wrong.
this. season 5 and beyond is equally bad.
It’s when they ran out of book material and changed characters. The Martells were much bigger bad asses in the books, and Euron was a badass. There is a significant drop off where you can tell the books ended and storyline changed. They also started playing to fanfare with certain characters like The Hound, Greyworm, etc. I hope another author finishes the books and does it right. As GRRM would never, but yes I believe somewhere around S5-6 is where the books basically ended depending on which storyline. At the end of the last book Jon Snow dies. I haven’t read them in years I don’t remember where all everyone else is at.
actually they didn't the dorne plot was written they changed it entirely to make no fricking sense and as a side just made the entire adventure cringy as frick ,I could've accepted Jamie going down to save his daughter fine, it was all the rest that sucked massive ass
the last book is dance, it ends with dany encountering the dothraki horde after shitting in the grass, jon dies in feast
Season six was slightly better than season 5 and miles better than 7 &8 so by comparison it seems good
The end of s5 (Hardhome) & s6 were very good. Not the same vast political thriller of s1-4 but they managed the moving of gigantic story elements fairly well. They maintained huge excitement for what was to come and for that they did their job pretty well
Agreed, this is just apologia from sunk-costgays "oh it was worth it to get this delicious corn in my plate of shit"
>S6
I don't remember anything good in s6
Kys X screencap poster
everything from near the end of season 2 and onward is rubbish
Only season 1 is good
only these two are correct
Only the first half a second of the first episode of season 1 is good. I simply have far too high standards to enjoy any else of it.
YOU WILL NEVER GET WINDS OF WINTER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
TOLKIEN CHADS RIZ UP
Even 4 had plenty of flaws. Tired of pretending otherwise. 1-3 were great but 4 is where the show became a meme. It started feeling more Hollywood.
>friendly reminder that D.B Weiss and David Benioff are going to frick up the Netflix adaptation of Three-Body Problem next
I mean... They've proven that they are good at adapting things when there is source material available. They just suck when they have to come up with their own plotlines.
lol
just because their own stuff was even too moronic for normgroids doesn't matter the early seasons weren't shit as well
the chinese series is good, just watch that. embrace sino-friendship.
can't frick up adapting garbage, you can only transmute it into garbage anyway.
It's good until the end of S3, where they make too many personal touches and it becomes especially evident
It was till they ran out of book to adapt
It wasn't.
Even when certain scenes of the books are there, the motivations for them have nothing to do with the actual motivations of the characters.
For example, they wanted to present Renlyq as a man who wanted to be King to help people, but in reality, it was always about his ego. And that's just Season 1.
Season 5 was boring, everything else was fine.
Why the frick do normies love Season 6 so much?
What’s actually good about it?
>muh weak men will never rule dorne again
>cause you have no wiener xd
>*fleet randomly burns down because the plot demands it*
>*montage scenes*
>I le drink and i le know things
>ramsay somehow kills his dad and takes over his army because…he just does
>MUH BIG wiener
>he died…fighting
>little finger teleporting
>she hates arya because uhhhhhh because she just does
>arya getting gets stabbed, falls off building, gets pushed down a flight of stairs, falls in a river and survives..somehow
>my name is arya stark and ima going home
>deus ex machina scene
>sansa doesn’t tell jon about the vale army coming to their aid because ummmmmm she just didn’t ok
>deus ex machina dragon scene
>varys teleporting
>arya also teleporting
I don’t get why you homosexuals love it so much?
In fact season 6 is my least favourite season simply due to how much praise it gets from all these dumb c**ts.
Say what you will about season 7/8 but at least no one takes it seriously.
because by season 6 these normie fat girls were all into the popular show and going to fricking bars to have watch parties. Their entire worldview is about submitting to authority and the mob was caught up in the show's hype. Now they can't change their fricking view it would be like admitting that they were wrong. It's damaging to the ego.
teleportation goes into ridiculous over drive s6
>you homosexuals
who do you think you're talking to, /got/ was shitting on the show enmass by s5, some by s4 or earlier but s5 was really when everyone got on board the hate train
despite all that, Cinemaphile when a new episode dropped was always great fun
it's been 4+ years and I still miss it
oh sure shitting on that shit show was great fun, also sometimes just turning the thread into a vikings thread pissing of the jannies and tripgays so bad was also hilarious
>normies enjoy eating shit
Wow!
s5 and s6 weren't good tho
No.
Comparing to books it's shallow and filled with feminism. And it flopped in the second season (pic is exactly were it flopped)
season one is fairly near perfect. season 2 is when the problems started to creep in. the tiny changes they made over time slowly eroded some of the details of stannis' character and at the same time they kept smoothing out the evils and dumb things that danaerys does. You could totally smell shite under the floorboards in season 4 even if there was still some really good stuff but by season 5 the show was fricking trash.
i watched GOT for the first time this february when i was very sick for 3 weeks and could barely get out of bed, i binge watched the first season in a day and had the weirdest fever dreams because of it
though i can't understand how people enjoy this shit
Only Season 1 was great.
2 and 3 were pretty good but set up a butterfly effect where shit would hit the fan due to changes
4 and 5 start to get bad
I barely remember 6 through 8.
5 is fricking awful and I'd even go so far has to call it the worst one, thats where they completely rewrote the dorne arc
Cinemaphile from 2011 to 2017:
>Whoa, this is awesome! Best series ever!
Cinemaphile in 2023:
>Uhh ackshually only the first season was good
you really weren't here were you?
I was here. You loved this shit all the way through season 7 with the exception of a few episodes here and there.
no we didn't the complete and totally shitting on it began s5, you are delusional to think otherwise
This has to be bait.
It was a good episode of television but it was a horrible adaptation of the books. Tbh the bar isn't that high since most of TV is actually shit. Every single showgay that's read the books understands that the show they rated as 9/10 would be a 6/10 if it was compared to an accurate adaptation of the books. The plot and events in the books are so much better even those that were adapted like the Battle of the Blackwater, House of Undying, Jon's death, etc. Every character is better whether it's the POVs like Jaime, Brienne, Tyrion and Arya or non POVs like Jorah, Stannis and Varys. Every removal of a character or change in their story was a net negative to the entire show. When they cut Jeyne Poole all they saw was some useless background character to pad the word count in the books when in reality it was part of the set up to Northern plot. Without Jeyne there's no fake Arya, no fake Arya means no Ramsay marriage, no Reek escape, that whole plot whimpers away so they felt forced to make Sansa take the fake Arya subplot but this time it's real Sansa. So that tiny decision not only fricked over the plot in 2 Kingdoms since the entire Vale plot gets scrapped but also the potential Sansa/Aegon marriage and other places the plot could go in Winds. All of this because of Jeyne Poole.
If George releases winds it'll bring ASOIAF back on the main menu of online topic discussion and irl water cooler talk. A lot of people will be filtered by the fact the books are so long but anyone worth talking to won't be. But if George finishes the series with ADOS then the calls to reboot GOT will hit a fever pitch. There will be a literal instruction manual of how to make the best TV series of all time. Sure some of the casting won't match what we had and the first season especially will feel almost entirely the same but the show will be the most watched thing ever. I hope they cut nothing not even the book accurate throne
I thought HotD throne was a reasonable compromise
HOTD will be as bad as or worse than the later seasons of GOT. They've already ruined the immersion in episode one with moronic things like turning a tourney into fighting pit, giving the audience some weird Dothraki-esque attitude towards bloodshed and chose to cut literally every subplot outside of Kingslanding to turn a political showdown that's the closest match to the main series into a generic soap opera with CGI dragons.
Initially I assumed that anyone who's seriously read the books and isn't a midwit should be able to come up with theories to explain irregularities like the Secret Stark Civil War and Larys playing both sides to instigate the war. I thought the ways to tie these plotlines together like having Emory Hill be the one who accidentally started the rebellion in the Reach and Owen Costayne being in love with Samantha Tarly. I thought it didn't take much effort to understand the Redwyns hated the Hightowers because they felt disrespected/betrayed after the position of Lord Admiral was given to the Lannisters, and that's why they kept out of the war whilst associating with Black supporters after the war.
But after almost a year of discussing this online and irl I've given up. Maybe I am a giga autist and these things aren't obvious. If so then I don't blame you, the writers or everyone else for thinking the show is somehow a good adaptation of the source material. You just don't get it. Bare in mind I didn't touch any of the books until a year ago and I've been posting about this shit since August.
I was just talking about the look of the Iron Throne mate, which you didn't address once in your rant. but go head and write another essay.
Please be patient he has autism
aye
...are you really ranting about a multi-season series adapting about a hundred pages from a novel, written from the perspective of an unreliable narrator - and not being faithful? This series was doomed to be stretched out more than the fricking Hobbit movies.
The issue is the writing team is full of normies. You need to have autistic thinking to innately know how to connect random footnotes and extrapolate them into a subplot that can compete against what George did in the main series.
If a mediocre newbie like myself can do it there's probably thousands of people who could do it too but maybe a handful of them are normies.
That's a lot of ifs. And with every passing year without Winds the series slides further away from relevance. At this point I doubt that ASOIAF will ever be that omnipresent again even if the fat frick poured all his effort and hearts blood into Winds to make it God's gift to fantasy literature.
>It was a good episode of television but it was a horrible adaptation of the books.
What books? They were way past the books at that point.
good point still for all his many faults gurm would never have written a battle that moronic
he didn't write anything, he didn't care. he still doesn't care. he put out a history book before he even finished the winds of winter. the directing, fight choreography, horses and music in those episodes were the highest point the show has reached. george didn't write viserys as a tragic character but when HOTD came out that story and performance blew everything else out of the water.
sure, d&d, they're not the best writers but it's a tough job stitching together the scraps that george left, and this delusional fat bastard wanted 14 seasons? there's only so much that they can pull out of their asses.
its a stupid fricking battle like every single one dabid wrote filmed and directed they have zero understanding of battle tatics which makes it extra weird they keep doing things like this, you another major battle they wrote? Troy, and guess what same shit, everyone leave the castle and line up in front because...idk it looks cool I guess?
cry about it. earlier seasons had battles and they were shit, totally boring. that shot with the horses charging in slow motion was fricking legendary, and the scene where john is in the middle of the fighting and it's chaos around him is more visually interesting than anything that happened in the first few seasons.
you know what else he directed? the battle where the wildlings march on the wall. another fantastic episode, with scenes that put movies to shame with how good they look. there's a shot of ygritte firing flaming arrows towards castle black and arrows coming towards her and it just looks sublime, that along with so much great action, the huge giant arrows, the scythe, the archers tied to a rappel rope and shooting arrows down the wall. he's totally competent and totally able to make a great battle scene and he doesn't need george and his awkward sexual metaphors to do it
its 2 guys you moron and they are far from competent, castle black fight was pretty good though i'll give them that
literally muh splosions, you are everything thats wrong and the reason this shit kept getting worse and worse until they shat the bed harder then heard
ah yes if only this battle scene had less clashing swords and flaming arrows and more of the awkward prose of the great george rr martin, known for such beauties as "his dick stood up like a fat pink mast!" such intellect, such brilliance
ok satan we get it you are 12
ad hominem doesn't make anything you say any less childish satan
you are literally just praising the raised budget, which I agree, they made a great spectacle with, but a great spectacle does not make a great episode let alone a great season in a plot/character-driven show
and that's not to mention the more nonsensical and cartoonish elements of said spectacle, e.g. wall of dead bodies
actually a raised budget and great spectacle does make a good episode. The dialogue doesn't need to be good, the sequence of events doesn't need to be very nuanced, but it's a blast to watch if the music, choreography, outfits, action, cinematography and everything else comes together. if the rest of the season sucks it sucks, but those episodes being so much better proves that those spectacle based episodes can stand out on the back of the director's talent alone. them struggling to stitch together loose ends isn't proof they suck at writing or directing, all it says is that they were handed a plate of shit and they've tried their best to swallow it down
>actually a raised budget and great spectacle does make a good episode.
oh god you need to go back to capeshit now, damn
Mhm. I think you're overrating it. Even in the big-event episodes the "wow" moments amount to what, maybe 10 minutes max, 1/6th the runtime? Plot and character are still king and when those elements aren't clicking it doesn't work.
what am i overrating mate? do you think there were better episodes in season 6 than the battle of the bastards and the light of the seven? go ahead and tell me about how i'm overrating them and how they aren't stand out episodes in a shit season
it was a shit ending and george doesn't know the first thing about directing or cinematography, david and dan knocked the subsequent big battle episodes out of the park because they were well directed.
>nonexistent rivalry
L to the M A O
Overrating the impact of a few good visuals on an entire episode. They may or may not have been the better episodes of the season, they probably were, I don't remember them that well, but being the best-smelling turd is not something to be proud of.
i thought you were breaking down exactly long how much each segment of the episode was, now the cope is that you don't even remember.
copesville
what would I be coping with? its now universally acknowledged finally even by all normies that dabid shat the bed over and over even heard never produced that much shit
it was a fantastic ending and dabid never knocked a single battle scene out of the park in their entire career
This explains why the show went to shit the last 3 seasons. It's ASOIAF not MCU
>earlier seasons had battles and they were shit, totally boring.
battle of blackwater had a cooler visual spectacle before it even started
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this, and that battle actually made sense because guess what that battle and that episode were written by gurm
yeah that was the best out of all of them, the others were hardly battle scenes at all, just fading to black, showing the aftermath or just having some short single combat scenes that weren't too impressive. nothing special happened in the blackwater aside from the wildfire, the rest of it was real standard movie castle siege stuff. go ahead and praise something that's boring, just barely competent and takes next to no risks. half of that episode is just with sansa and the women, or the guys on the battlements. then when the tide turns you hardly see what happens. some characters appear, some soldiers run the other way and that's it. there's no attrition, no spectacle, no setpieces. george wrote that episode and it was not his finest work by a long shot, david and dan surpass him by miles because they actually know what they're doing
>david and dan surpass him by miles because they actually know what they're doing
damn I sincerely hope this is trolling otherwise you might be the dumbest mf I've spoken too all week
>visually interesting than anything that happened in the first few seasons.
>brooo just turn your brain off, don't think about it and just enjoy the visuals, tv and film is a VISUAL medium after all!
i turned my brain off at the end of the blackwater ep where tywin just deus ex machina wins at the end at the last moment for no reason. He just shows up off camera and turns the tide with no explaination but muh writing is so good. frick off and die
he took renlys army and came to save the day how fricking clueless can you be? at that point even the show had set it up very well
>tywin just deus ex machina wins at the end at the last moment for no reason. He just shows up off camera and turns the tide with no explaination but muh writing is so good.
pay attention next time hoss
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Its a series of decisions that led to this. I the books, when Robb attacked the Westerlands he chose to give up on KL and try save his territory, Edmure stopped Tywin from defending the Westerlands leaving him stuck in the riverlands.
When Renly was killed, a lot of his loyalists such as Loras and Tarly ran back to Bitterbridge to the main Reach forces. Since they were pretty close they met up, made a pact and rushed down to Kings Landing.
If George never mentioned the Tyrell forces staying back or if Tywin just did nothing when Robb attacked the Westerlands you could complain. But they used barges, Loras ran away ahorse, the distance and time makes sense. The show simplified it somewhat and muddled other details up but you just didn't pay attention.
HBO would've given them 14 seasons if they wanted, they got bored
>If George releases winds
he's not releasing any winds except the ones coming out of his fat lazy ass
Season 3 is when Reddit arrived
Who the hell is Darkstar?
My favorite villain is Darkstar. Why do I love Darkstar so much? It's pretty simple when I think about it. Darkstar isn't just the best character in the series, he might just be the greatest character of all time. Just imaging him riding through the sands of Dorne, the wind in his hair, his mighty steed below him. As he rides through the red mountains, the ladies swoon at his very scent. They know how he smells, the essence of his smell is sold in Planky Town under the the name of "Greenblood Orgasm." The very nature of Darkstar is mystery. could he be playing a deeper game than even his creator realizes? The answer is yes, he has transcended such boundaries as the written world, and has free will to do whatever he sees fit. However, Darkstar is filled with such guile, such arcane craft that he does not even use these powers. Why, you might ask? You will never know, for the mind of the Darkstar is not one that is easily penetrated.
Darkstar is such a force of nature in his realm that nothing can truly touch him, the only thing keeping him bound to the page at all is his will to exist within the preordained boundaries of his world. Darkstar is not only beyond the comprehension of us, he exists within a plane of true focus and beauty. Observe his playful smile, his gorgeous and rippling biceps, his gallant nose, and most importantly, his eyes. His eyes, like pools of saffron, provide the only glimpse into the true machinations of Darkstar. Do not stare into them. Many good men have gone mad in the attempt. Darkstar is not just a character, a formless collection of words and images, he is himself is the binding that holds the saga together. Without Darkstar, the entire series, the entire world of Westeros as we know it crumbles. The Trident would stop flowing without Darkstar, the Reach would become a desolate crater, and the Wall would melt without his frosty gaze.
These are just of a few of the reasons why I like Darkstar so much.
Season 3 was lame as frick, other than the red wedding and stuff with Jaime and Brienne. Never understood this narrative that the show was kino until some random point where it suddenly got shit, because the quality was up and down throughout the whole thing. I'd say both 6 and 7 are far better than 3.
>Never understood this narrative that the show was kino until some random point where it suddenly got shit, because the quality was up and down throughout the whole thing
usually what happens is that something bad happens to someone's favorite character, it puts a bad taste in their mouth, and they suddenly start to realize that they've been watching a medieval soap opera with dragons and wizards and shit to distract them from the boring parts
The show went downhill when they started running out of material to crib from. Revisionists will say otherwise but the shoe started dropped in quality the second they outpaced the books on certain plot lines. Once they got beyond the books on everything it went to dogshit
I agree, I thought it was always a bit crap but I'm a nerd who read the book and a large part of the appeal in ASOIAF what that there is a lot of lore exposition (which isn't tedious) giving some depth to the plot. The books are also much more subtle with stuff like Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell being homosexuals.
Meanwhile in GoT all of this is replaced with sex scenes more or less and much cruder.
Do people even have any interest in this show now? It reminds me of Battlestar Galactica in how it ran off the rails so hard it completely changed the perception of the show.
fixed
It still implies that a later part of a later season is way better than the first season
GoT was already shit by season 4.
no and it was bad since season 1
It’s a great adaptation because the source material is also shit.
you've never read it. doubt you've even read a single book in all of 2023
Can anyone remind what happened with Dany after she burned the Khals? I forgot how she got back to Mereen before arriving at Dragonstone.
Wait I remember Jorah and Daario in Vaes Dothrak now.
What the FRICK happened?
she somehow just bonded with drago and flew him back with the horde
>I liked the end of S6 because it had a lot of fighting, and explosions and special effects
exactly its pretty sad but explains why the idiots didn't catch onto how bad it had gotten
Season 6 GOATED
Is the good part of s6 hardhome?
>end of season 6 is the best part of the show overall
What? How? I can't even remember what happened then it was so boring, the frick are they referring to? The one single episode where Jon and Ramsay fight?
>half of the show is represented the less in the horse
but why
>Is GOT a good adaption of ASOIAF?
considering the books are utter shit? Yeah it was fine.
Nothing past S4 was good with the exception of Hardhome which was mindlessly dumb (from a storyline perspective) but fun action episode.
Casting mostly faultless. Sapochnik and the other good directors of late seasons saved Dumb & Dumber's asses in the pilot reshoots. If there's blame to assign, lay it at Boomer Martin for gifting them an ironclad contract over a boozey dinner and firm handshake.
Hardhome was the high water mark of the series. Everything after was the last gasps.
>Is GOT a good adaption of ASOIAF?
yes
zoomers, redditors, feminists, burlington bar type npcs etc only turned against GOT because
>hurr durr they killed out queen
the truth is, pic related did a good job adapting the material for TV, they did a good job on first 4 seasons. it wasnt their fault ASOIAF not only turned to shit, but wasnt even done at the time (still isnt, years after GOT ended)
they only had key plot points. they are good as adaptors (s1-4), but not writers (s5+), especially when story goes full moron
>arya mops the floor and becomes slay queen
>tyrion can now only tell dick jokes
>bunch of whos are risking their lives to capture a zombie who can decompose at any time to bring it to queen who is at war with them or their lords
>everything about bran
>sansa has sex and becomes the smartest person alive
>littlefinger doesnt have sex with sansa so he becomes a moron
> worst thread on Cinemaphile
Danygays btfo forever