No it doesn't. Mary Sue refers to an actual OC character from a Star Trek fanfic. "Gary Stu" was always an unnecessary term to gender a term that had nothing to do with gender. There never was a "Gary Stu."
False. Mary Sue's obnoxious qualities are mostly gender specific. Being universally loved, having a beautiful singing voice, being constantly talked about when she is offscreen. Male self-inserts are mostly nothing like that.
>make heccin based whites-only content so autistic racists with a negative net worth will call it 'kino' on an anonymous imageboard
or >make normal content for normal people with jobs
boy, that's a tough one
Define that, you fricking NPC. Let me guess, it's for people who send their kids to school to get molested by drag queens? You're on the right side of history, though? I hope you've repeated it to yourself enough so you can sleep at night and ignore that splinter in your mind telling you that your life is a sick joke. Normal, he says..
No one gives a shit about the opinions of chuds. Even your leaders, like Trump, are just using your easily manipulated anger for their own ends. They find you just as repugnant as everyone else.
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Whatever helps you to not violently cry at night at how you've more or less sold your soul to this inhumane dystopia you participate in.
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not everyone lives a miserable nightmare like you. the world is still pretty good
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>the world is still pretty good
yeah, if you choose ignorance
Mary Sue is a fanfiction term; Reacher exists in his own original story so he can't be a Sue by definition
He is definitely an overpowered self-insert type character but there's nothing inherently wrong with that
So, he's a super strong giant that is better at fighting and shooting than anyone and also has an incredible amount of knowledge, but he was only military police?
Not special forcers, not a marine, not even infantry, he was a military detective searching for contraband in military bases.
That just says there are a bunch of Marines who are probably a better shot than he is. And there are (were) better shots in the investigator team he ran.
There's one book where he infiltrates a militia group and to test him he wins le epic shooting contest. I think the competition is called the Wimbledon, so he's basically better than the entire US armed forces, at least in that year. The Speshul Investigations mary sues are the funniest because irl NCIS etc are ridiculously incompetent when it comes to actual investigations that don't involve domestic violence or a bar brawl.
it's one or two steps above fanfiction mary sues but i think it's the formulaic nature of the series that makes his character ridiculous. it's like everyday of his life he randomly stumbles on kidnapping plots, robbery attempts and large scale criminal conspiracies and always ends up unscathed.
if it were just one story, the unrealistic nature of his character wouldn't be so obvious.
Well I won’t disagree with that point of view. From a personal level I can only say that I’m an inch shorter IRL than Reacher is in the books and I get treated like a freak. Nor can I find clothes that fit well let alone just walk in to any thrift shop and get a new outfit.
>better at fighting
Virtue of size. >better at shooting
Wasn’t even the best shot in the special investigators let alone the wider armed forces.
He lacks many of the traits of the typical Mary Sue. People don’t automatically like him or put their own agendas on hold to assist him, for instance.
Someone that big would be a liability in the military. You generally want someone that doesn't stand out, doesn't require a ton of calories to feed, is maneuverable, etc. You need shooters who don't get shot, not people who can fight hand-to-hand.
In the books he's supposed to be 6'5". The actor in the show is only 6'3" but he looks like a giant compared to the other actors (because most actors are short).
So infantry is out and they gave him a different POG job.
>He was one of the largest men she had ever seen outside the NFL. He was extremely tall, and extremely broad, and long-armed, and long legged. The lawn chair was regular size, but it looked tiny under him. It was bent and crushed out of shape. His knuckles were nearly touching the ground. His neck was thick and his hands were the size of dinner plates...A wild man. But not really. Underneath everything else seemed strangely civilized....His gaze was both wise and appealing, both friendly and bleak, both frank and utterly cynical
I don’t think you’re emotionally intelligent enough to weigh in on this topic. Guys can admire other guys for things they excel in without a sexual aspect. You not understanding this makes me think you’re an indoctrinated zoomer.
When his new girlfriend Numbers Lady triumphed in hand to hand combat fighting with a criminal biker eventually plunging a high heel into his eye I thought we may have to come up with a new word entirely
Of course, these books are to a certain type of man what these softcore romance novels about roguish hunks forcing themselves on hapless women are for housewives.
What type of man is that? The straight white man? Cause I fricking love this show and books. All fiction is power fantasy, that's the whole fricking appeal of telling stories.
No because he saves someone and doesn't even want to wait around for the media to become a hero.
That's what a real man does. A virtue signaller would wait for the media to turn up and plug their paypal or gofundme.
He doesn't even have a social media. What a fricking chad.
season 1 was pretty good. season 2 has been really shit. once the biker gang fight happened it made me realize this is just a live action cartoon with a pinch of tulsa king (they got the bald guy from tulsa king in season 2 which is crazy)
Yep. I don't understand the appeal of this boomerslop. Does this season have another "tough cop chick" and "respectable black man in position of authority" to ease boomer's pangs about what they've done to the US?
This. I think it's a fascinating thing. My dad likes this show and Tulsa King. Never seen either but I would assume they're somewhat alike considering the only current other TV my Dad likes is Blue Bloods.
>Trespasses multiple times >Punches dog owner >Steals his dog >All because a water bowl lying out in the sun was bone dry
He should go to jail. The dog owner would have a legal right to shoot him in self-defense. Does this guy ever face any consequences? All clips I see are him walking around and attacking anyone who annoys him and he's never even arrested. Does he ever fight someone who can actually fight back and kiss his roided ass?
Nobody likes him just because of his sex size and attitude. This is the exact opposite of a Mary Sue. His defining characteristic is that nobody that actually knows him likes him.
Many people misunderstand the term Mary Sue. It goes beyond just being some badass Chad character, or someone who is good at something - even everything.
eg. Tony Stark is NOT a 'Gary Stu' for learning thermonuclear astrophysics overnight and being a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist - yes really.
It's not easy to summarise, but it's basically where time, space, reality and the story itself bends around the character usually in service to the self-insert wish fulfilment of the author. But it's not so much any of the details as much as its just indicative of bad writing of said character, (it just usually has a stereotypical smell). That's why it's very distinct when it comes to bad female writers where the character is universally loved and instantly validated by other characters on sight for no reason totally out of context. Notice those things have nothing to do with the actual character's actual traits per se, but how all the other characters act toward them.
ie. Bad writing OUTSIDE of the Mary Sue character themselves.
If you haven't read the fake fanfic story that is the origin of the term 'Mary Sue' I invite you to do so now. It will take you 30 seconds, and give you a better understanding than the average gay who throws this term around with a secondhand understanding of it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue#Origins
To be the male equivalent, you're looking at something more like a Michael Breen or the worst of Steven Seagal. Watch 'On Deadly Ground', (there's no other reason to), he's doing the action hero shit, but that's not the main problem. He's accepted by the native people in the fight against 'muh Big Oil', and is proven right about everything, even giving a Fourth Wall breaking gay little speech about 'muh environment', obviously the IRL actor's self-insert delusion. In a well-written movie a character like that would get called out for being a douchebag, like Segal is IRL:
no because mary-sue applies only to a female character, moron.
No it doesn't. Mary Sue refers to an actual OC character from a Star Trek fanfic. "Gary Stu" was always an unnecessary term to gender a term that had nothing to do with gender. There never was a "Gary Stu."
False. Mary Sue's obnoxious qualities are mostly gender specific. Being universally loved, having a beautiful singing voice, being constantly talked about when she is offscreen. Male self-inserts are mostly nothing like that.
No. Just being your average straight white male. You know. He's just BASED.
>black dyke best friend
>black best friend
Yeah based
This. It's a hicklib show.
>make heccin based whites-only content so autistic racists with a negative net worth will call it 'kino' on an anonymous imageboard
or
>make normal content for normal people with jobs
boy, that's a tough one
>Normal people
Define that, you fricking NPC. Let me guess, it's for people who send their kids to school to get molested by drag queens? You're on the right side of history, though? I hope you've repeated it to yourself enough so you can sleep at night and ignore that splinter in your mind telling you that your life is a sick joke. Normal, he says..
No one gives a shit about the opinions of chuds. Even your leaders, like Trump, are just using your easily manipulated anger for their own ends. They find you just as repugnant as everyone else.
Whatever helps you to not violently cry at night at how you've more or less sold your soul to this inhumane dystopia you participate in.
not everyone lives a miserable nightmare like you. the world is still pretty good
>the world is still pretty good
yeah, if you choose ignorance
>make normal content for normal people with jobs
this must be bait, even npcs aren't this moronic
a ton of hicks, even racist hicks, have black friends. they're the good ones.
Mary Sue is a fanfiction term; Reacher exists in his own original story so he can't be a Sue by definition
He is definitely an overpowered self-insert type character but there's nothing inherently wrong with that
So, he's a super strong giant that is better at fighting and shooting than anyone and also has an incredible amount of knowledge, but he was only military police?
Not special forcers, not a marine, not even infantry, he was a military detective searching for contraband in military bases.
> shooting than anyone
Wrong
in the books, it's said that he's the only non marine to ever win the marine invitational shooting competition.
Lmao totally not a Mary Sue
And it also says he doesn’t consider himself the best shot in the special investigators.
Being humble isn't a character flaw.
That just says there are a bunch of Marines who are probably a better shot than he is. And there are (were) better shots in the investigator team he ran.
There's one book where he infiltrates a militia group and to test him he wins le epic shooting contest. I think the competition is called the Wimbledon, so he's basically better than the entire US armed forces, at least in that year. The Speshul Investigations mary sues are the funniest because irl NCIS etc are ridiculously incompetent when it comes to actual investigations that don't involve domestic violence or a bar brawl.
haven't read the books but what other military career would be appropriate for the sherlock gimmick
Army Criminal Investigation Division. MPs are like the guys that give people speeding tickets and arrest soldiers for not showing up to work.
moron
>better at fighting
Virtue of size.
>better at shooting
Wasn’t even the best shot in the special investigators let alone the wider armed forces.
He lacks many of the traits of the typical Mary Sue. People don’t automatically like him or put their own agendas on hold to assist him, for instance.
it's one or two steps above fanfiction mary sues but i think it's the formulaic nature of the series that makes his character ridiculous. it's like everyday of his life he randomly stumbles on kidnapping plots, robbery attempts and large scale criminal conspiracies and always ends up unscathed.
if it were just one story, the unrealistic nature of his character wouldn't be so obvious.
Well I won’t disagree with that point of view. From a personal level I can only say that I’m an inch shorter IRL than Reacher is in the books and I get treated like a freak. Nor can I find clothes that fit well let alone just walk in to any thrift shop and get a new outfit.
really any time i've been to a salvos or w/e their are heaps of clothes xxl and all the m and l are gone
It’s cute that you think XXL would fit me.
I have to order my shirts custom if I want them to actually fit.
Someone that big would be a liability in the military. You generally want someone that doesn't stand out, doesn't require a ton of calories to feed, is maneuverable, etc. You need shooters who don't get shot, not people who can fight hand-to-hand.
In the books he's supposed to be 6'5". The actor in the show is only 6'3" but he looks like a giant compared to the other actors (because most actors are short).
So infantry is out and they gave him a different POG job.
>"do what I want."
>"no"
>"ill beat you up"
>"oh okay"
Every Reacher episode summarized
That works
this used to be an entire genre and the world is worse off without it
He'll be ultra based if he straightens out the black dyke.
Yeah, movies made for and by actual straight white men. The world needs to heal.
Life summarised.
>He was one of the largest men she had ever seen outside the NFL. He was extremely tall, and extremely broad, and long-armed, and long legged. The lawn chair was regular size, but it looked tiny under him. It was bent and crushed out of shape. His knuckles were nearly touching the ground. His neck was thick and his hands were the size of dinner plates...A wild man. But not really. Underneath everything else seemed strangely civilized....His gaze was both wise and appealing, both friendly and bleak, both frank and utterly cynical
literally a male mary sue, a guy who can do anything and be anything, while being appealing to every woman
Wrong.
>both frank
Kek, it actually reminds me how Howard described Conan, will much less noble savage jerking
this, I've never understood the alpha male worship thing that so many men fall under, it's incredibly homosexual
I don’t think you’re emotionally intelligent enough to weigh in on this topic. Guys can admire other guys for things they excel in without a sexual aspect. You not understanding this makes me think you’re an indoctrinated zoomer.
>A tall man has long arms and legs
Imagine a tall man having short arms and legs.
what about a short man with large hands and feet
a literall space marine military super detective with friendly everyday appeal.
Cool teenage boy power fantasy, but come on now son.
>.A wild man. But not really
So this is the power of american writing.
That prose is so fricking bad, Jesus.
No, he's a butthole poo
When his new girlfriend Numbers Lady triumphed in hand to hand combat fighting with a criminal biker eventually plunging a high heel into his eye I thought we may have to come up with a new word entirely
Who cares?
It's a big huge white guy fricking hot women and killing Black folk and robbing them of their guns and drug money, I'm watching it.
Of course, these books are to a certain type of man what these softcore romance novels about roguish hunks forcing themselves on hapless women are for housewives.
What type of man is that? The straight white man? Cause I fricking love this show and books. All fiction is power fantasy, that's the whole fricking appeal of telling stories.
he loses and gets beat and his family dies. being competent doesnt make you a mary sue. itd be like saying sherlick holmes is a mary sue.
So it's a Walking Tall ripoff?
he's more of a modern cowboy, tbh. drifts from town to town, stops to right some wrong or solve a crime, then moves on
He's not inexplicably good at everything, he's a big trained guy, also not inexplicably liked by anyone, he's hot as hell.
Opposite of Mary-Sue
Yeah but thats the point, its such an obvious power fantasy but he has the charm necessary to make it not come off obnoxious.
No because he saves someone and doesn't even want to wait around for the media to become a hero.
That's what a real man does. A virtue signaller would wait for the media to turn up and plug their paypal or gofundme.
He doesn't even have a social media. What a fricking chad.
I'm glad he's toned down the autism for this season. Makes it a little bit more watchable, but less funny.
season 1 was pretty good. season 2 has been really shit. once the biker gang fight happened it made me realize this is just a live action cartoon with a pinch of tulsa king (they got the bald guy from tulsa king in season 2 which is crazy)
Someone needs to be the biggest and tallest
Yep. I don't understand the appeal of this boomerslop. Does this season have another "tough cop chick" and "respectable black man in position of authority" to ease boomer's pangs about what they've done to the US?
Mary Sue is a nitpick at its core. if the movie is good nobody cares, was it really the thing that ruined force awakens? I don't think so
yeah he's a classic boomer power fantasy
This. I think it's a fascinating thing. My dad likes this show and Tulsa King. Never seen either but I would assume they're somewhat alike considering the only current other TV my Dad likes is Blue Bloods.
>Trespasses multiple times
>Punches dog owner
>Steals his dog
>All because a water bowl lying out in the sun was bone dry
He should go to jail. The dog owner would have a legal right to shoot him in self-defense. Does this guy ever face any consequences? All clips I see are him walking around and attacking anyone who annoys him and he's never even arrested. Does he ever fight someone who can actually fight back and kiss his roided ass?
yes he does twice, and finlay backed him up because thats animal abuse you seem to forget the dog had a bloody neck from the chain
no. he is just a large man overcoming problems with largeness. He is batman without capeshit selfawareness, presented as a serious character
There's nothing wrong with mary sue/gary stu.It's all about making the character likable which 90% ofthe mary sues aren't.
That's impossible because they are so overpowered and flawless that you can't relate to them.
He’s a Chaddy King
You guys would love the destroyer novels.
Casual racism, reinforced misogyny, Rambo elite toughness.
no the writer is British
Idk but i want him to break my back no homo
Nobody likes him just because of his sex size and attitude. This is the exact opposite of a Mary Sue. His defining characteristic is that nobody that actually knows him likes him.
Many people misunderstand the term Mary Sue. It goes beyond just being some badass Chad character, or someone who is good at something - even everything.
eg. Tony Stark is NOT a 'Gary Stu' for learning thermonuclear astrophysics overnight and being a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist - yes really.
It's not easy to summarise, but it's basically where time, space, reality and the story itself bends around the character usually in service to the self-insert wish fulfilment of the author. But it's not so much any of the details as much as its just indicative of bad writing of said character, (it just usually has a stereotypical smell). That's why it's very distinct when it comes to bad female writers where the character is universally loved and instantly validated by other characters on sight for no reason totally out of context. Notice those things have nothing to do with the actual character's actual traits per se, but how all the other characters act toward them.
ie. Bad writing OUTSIDE of the Mary Sue character themselves.
If you haven't read the fake fanfic story that is the origin of the term 'Mary Sue' I invite you to do so now. It will take you 30 seconds, and give you a better understanding than the average gay who throws this term around with a secondhand understanding of it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue#Origins
To be the male equivalent, you're looking at something more like a Michael Breen or the worst of Steven Seagal. Watch 'On Deadly Ground', (there's no other reason to), he's doing the action hero shit, but that's not the main problem. He's accepted by the native people in the fight against 'muh Big Oil', and is proven right about everything, even giving a Fourth Wall breaking gay little speech about 'muh environment', obviously the IRL actor's self-insert delusion. In a well-written movie a character like that would get called out for being a douchebag, like Segal is IRL:
No, just a man