the Danny Phantom reference he made once proves Rich is a cartoon guy but has to hide his power level among friends
That Mickey take is really common but there’s a reason it is
When did he make a Danny Phantom reference? That's pretty based.
not necessarily, but if he is dumb about one thing, there is a good chance he is also being dumb when talking about other things. There is only so much time people have in their lives, so why waste it on listening to someone you suspect is saying stupid things?
>There is only so much time people have in their lives, so why waste it on listening to someone you suspect is saying stupid things?
Hot take, considering where you're posting.
does anyone have that rlm image that shows how jay keeps getting better looking and happy while mike just keeps looking more miserable and fat ending with future mike looking like a morbidly obese man and jay as a gigachad?
What year were you born? As that will tell me what era of Mickey that Disney wanted you to grasp onto.
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Was he a character in the 1930s?
The Steamboat Willie to early years of Mickey were structured to how people generally think of Bugs Bunny. Yes, he was still charming but would also fight back if pushed.
When Disneyland and later Disneyworld were established. That is when a lot of Mickey's charm was pushed aside so the character could become a mascot.
Evening fellow oldgay, 1990 here. I try not to think about how old I am cause when I do I realize Ive been browsing Cinemaphile for legit over half of my life and it just makes me depressed that Ive been using this site longer than anons posting have been alive. I don't think I can ever leave this site there's nothing else to do on the internet besides youtube and reading about random shit in wikipedia.
I work at an elementary school so I'm confronted with how old I am everyday when I see these little frickers and hear what say. The other day they looked at me and a teacher like we had 5 heads because we were talking about how we had to learn square dancing in gym at their age and the kids didn't even know what square dancing was. We just looked at each other and shook our heads. At least kids still like pokemon, some shit never changes I was playing it at their age and now they're playing it too.
Evening fellow oldgay, 1990 here. I try not to think about how old I am cause when I do I realize Ive been browsing Cinemaphile for legit over half of my life and it just makes me depressed that Ive been using this site longer than anons posting have been alive. I don't think I can ever leave this site there's nothing else to do on the internet besides youtube and reading about random shit in wikipedia.
I work at an elementary school so I'm confronted with how old I am everyday when I see these little frickers and hear what say. The other day they looked at me and a teacher like we had 5 heads because we were talking about how we had to learn square dancing in gym at their age and the kids didn't even know what square dancing was. We just looked at each other and shook our heads. At least kids still like pokemon, some shit never changes I was playing it at their age and now they're playing it too.
Damn, I've only been on here since college, which I left in 2009.
1989. Is that really considered old on Cinemaphile? I was under the impression there were boomers here too.
Maybe it shows why a lot of zoomer posters here accept mediocrity. Everything in our era was colorful and everything in their era is reboots and bean mouths. I also noticed younger users don’t watch old material. My grandpa introduced me to older cartoons on VHS tapes, like Silly Symphonies and Looney Tunes. I don’t really know what younger peoples excuses are because the internet has everything. It’s probably information overload.
the Danny Phantom reference he made once proves Rich is a cartoon guy but has to hide his power level among friends
That Mickey take is really common but there’s a reason it is
Rich Evans has always had the highest powerlevel out of the RLM gang and if you ever watched his old lets plays you can really tell, but he's good at not geeking out about stuff on camera unless it's comedically embarrassing (like when Jay or Mike get a tidbit wrong in a comic book movie and you know Rich knows the answer but he lets it ride because it's funny not to)
Not as interesting because in my experience every current movie guy who was a teenager in the 90s has also read a ton of comics, IDK what exactly that’s about
As said, Mickey is simply a corporate mascot. People who claim that we are currently in a revival of Mickey as a character fail to understand that Disney will never do anything too outrageous with him as it could "rock the boat".
The last time that anything too outrageous was done with Mickey is when Walt was still alive. The former and current Disney Plus animated shows are only a small timeframe compared to the character's legacy. Otherwise, Disney wants to be extremely careful with the image that Mickey presents to people.
>People who claim that we are currently in a revival of Mickey as a character fail to understand that Disney will never do anything too outrageous with him as it could "rock the boat".
Why would he need to? There's more to being a character than that.
That depends whether they somehow manage to prolong their Mickey IP for another 50 years again. They're really stretching the limits of common license laws and eventually even hiring armies of lawyers isn't going to be enough.
Thats also the reason why Rich and Jay were wrong about Mickey never being seen in the same screen with Bugs Bunny again. Both characters are so old, Mickey especially that the companies owning the IP are going to lose them to the public soon. When Mickey becomes a free to use public IP, he's going to be fricking everywhere. Every hack is going to try and make their parody deconstruction of Mickey Mouse, every slimy t-shirt stall is going to have Mickey mouse, every fricking pretentious artist wannabe makes their own dark adult Mickey shit.
>Every hack is going to try and make their parody deconstruction of Mickey Mouse, every slimy t-shirt stall is going to have Mickey mouse, every fricking pretentious artist wannabe makes their own dark adult Mickey shit.
So exactly like it is now?
Mickey when written well and not treated as an untouchable idol of perfection is what makes him lame. A good comedy writer or adventure writer can bring up parts of Mickey that we're not used to seeing.
If you haven't watched all of Disney's early shorts (silly symphonies, mickey, etc) your opinion on animation and film doesn't matter, and you should leave this board because you're a waste of space.
hey, Donald and Goofy were later innovations that made Mickey obsolete. blaming Mickey for that is like blaming the Atari 2600 for not being as good as the NES.
which is why they kept making Donald and Goofy cartoons long after they stopped making Mickey cartoons, and in the 80s and 90s their afternoon lineup always had at least one duck show in it.
Sort of. In general Mickey Mouse as a character is often means to an end; a vehicle for wacky hijinks or adventure. But the gee-shucks earnestness mixed with mischief is also why he's such an effective vehicle. And he was effective: a lot of Mickey Mouse shorts (and comics) are great.
Yes but specifically because he's designed to be fricking lame at this point.
He's made to be inoffensive and bland, he's a mascot that's incidentally a cartoon character.
That's why he was at his best when he isn't bound to the standards Disney forces him into.
Nicely said as you are 110% right.
When the new Mickey shorts shows are finished. I expect Disney to cast the show(s) aside as they did with House of Mouse.
Cannot have their mascot show too much personality.
That depends whether they somehow manage to prolong their Mickey IP for another 50 years again. They're really stretching the limits of common license laws and eventually even hiring armies of lawyers isn't going to be enough.
Thats also the reason why Rich and Jay were wrong about Mickey never being seen in the same screen with Bugs Bunny again. Both characters are so old, Mickey especially that the companies owning the IP are going to lose them to the public soon. When Mickey becomes a free to use public IP, he's going to be fricking everywhere. Every hack is going to try and make their parody deconstruction of Mickey Mouse, every slimy t-shirt stall is going to have Mickey mouse, every fricking pretentious artist wannabe makes their own dark adult Mickey shit.
>Both characters are so old, Mickey especially that the companies owning the IP are going to lose them to the public soon. When Mickey becomes a free to use public IP, he's going to be fricking everywhere.
Implying Disney will let that happen.
We're heading for a massive economic global collapse sooner than later. When that happens companies will have far more pressing matters than chasing around IP appropiators and the like.
Its going to happen. They already tried to extend the rights of Steamboat Willie and they failed. The only victory they claimed was arguing that new Mickey is different enough to be counted as a new character. But next year January 2024 the classic Steamboat Mickey design becomes public domain.
Those shorts were so fricking popular on YouTube it was ridiculous and them moving it to Disney Plus exclusive feels like the equivalent of Warner moving the looney tunes shorts to boomerang and then hbomax, although that was kind of doa
That's probably why I loved the three-legged race episode so much: everybody is cheating but Mickey, he pairs with Pete who lies to him about not being a cheater (which is followed by a scene of Mickey naively believing him and listing all the people who "were wrong about him", including his friends and the FBI). Then you have the ending in which Mickey drags the unconscious body of Pete to the finish line at snail pace as choirs are singing in the back and the seasons are fast-forwarding. Mickey finally reaches the goal and enjoys his victory after everybody got tired of his bullshit and left a few seasons ago.
In a generalized way, yes.
But Mickey can and has been good. Some shorts have given more personality and things to do then what is usually expected and I'd argue the most recent incarnation of his shorts is Mickey at his best. Honestly, if we were talking about the modern shorts than Rich would be wrong. But Mickey is a century old at this point so it's hard to blame him for his viewpoint.
My favorite classic Disney short is The Band Concert where Mickey for once is played a more cynical role of a stern conductor getting progressively more upset at his incompetent band and Donald who is activily sabatoging him. The short is great but the one issue is that not only it really doesn't feel like any other Disney short, the whole thing feels like a Looney Tune short. Donald is a straight up classic Daffy Duck rip-off in this and Mickey's role and relationship with Donald in this is very akin to Porky and Daffy than what they usually are. So it probably says something that one of my favorite Classic Disney shorts is the one that feels most like a Looney Tune short.
Are classic Mickey's eyes entirely his pupils, or is some percentage of the borderless white expanse of his face designated as the whites of his eyes? I recall a short in which Mickey blinked with just his pupils, but Minnie's eyeliids blinked over the whole surface of her white face above her nose. Creepy shit.
>he can't be particularly funny or interesting since something he does might offend soemoen
Then again the same can be said about any other character nowadays as well.
Mickey doesn't really have any personality traits, Donald has a short fuse, Goofy is goofy and even Bugs is a wise ass and a corporate mascot. Mickey has nothing going on because represents the safe image of company. Same goes for Mario in vidya
Mario as a character has always worked best as a mime (as in Super Mario RPG and the Paper Mario series). I don't know if that says anything good about a character.
This guy never has more than a base level opinion on anything. He's the comic guy of the group but anytime they mention something he says "I never read that one".
Yes. Here in the US, Mickey is just a trademark. A brand to slap on a lunchbox. He hasn't been used as an actual character to tell a story with in decades.
In Europe he's an actual character for some reason.
While I agree Mickey is much more of a character in the comics made in Europe, he is still 100x less interesting and less popular than Donald Duck is over here.
Older shorts? Comparatively, yes, he's lamer compared to Donald, Goofy, Bugs, Daffy, Popeye, etc., but part of that is because he's supposed to be more everyman and easy to slip into a variety of situations, whereas with other characters I mentioned, they tend to lean more into their quirks. That doesn't even make his old shorts bad, but they tend not to stand out as much when he's got such stiff competition. That said, the newer Rudish shorts found a much better balance of keeping the everyman aspects and giving him more personality.
I think a lot of Mickey’s appeal besides his design comes from him being somewhat of an “everyman” character who often gets roped into wild or outrageous scenarios. Mickey isn’t so much the central focus but rather the situations he gets himself into.
A quick look on libgen shows both the colour volumes and a couple of the black and white ones. Not sure if they've all been scanned though since they were never released digitally.
These guys have some pretty stupid takes lately.
But If you grew up in the 80s and 90s, Mickey was barely present in ANY media. And when he was he was just a mascot, not so much a character. Comparing that to Goofy and Donald who had their own series going and even starred in their own video games.
Someone who grew up in this time has every reason to think Mickey is just fluff, even relative to other Disney characters.
>These guys have some pretty stupid takes lately.
I think as a result of the cynicism echo chamber both from real life and their online fandom, they're moving further away from "actually having some good points of media" and into "old man yells at cloud"
I just hate how arbitrary their decisions as to what to review seems to be now.
That Spider-man crossover that was all the buzz? Nah. Top Gun, which is proving theaters still have some life left in them? Nah. One of the weaker Disney+ Star Wars shows? Yeah!
They had more to say about it than they did about MoM, in the MoM review.
I'm not sure they actually saw the movie. Jay is a huge Bruce Campbell fan and he didn't even bring those gags up.
Mike talked about how he doesn't like the way the MCU Spiderman movies all have the word "Home" in them, but he did actually really like No Way Home, and even said Andrew Garfield was the best part.
RLM has always been some average schlubby nerds talking about movies. And that's fine because they didn't really pretend to be otherwise. It's their fanbase that started treating them as if they were genuinely insightful critics.
Growing up the only things I saw Mickey in was when he was used as a literal animated host or spokesperson, Fantasia and that short where he gets his brain swapped. That last thing was the only thing that made him seem like a real character, and it seemed like the outlier.
It has a few good cartoons like the one with the seal but I have always believed Goofy is the king of comedy in Disney with Donald as a distant second, not because Donald was bad but because the Goofy cartoons were just that fricking good
Mickey when he's played off as a rubber hose cartoon character is fantastic. The problem is that Disney in the 60s wanted to make Mickey as friendly and family oriented as possible so they started ironing out all of his personality flaws until he had no real unique qualities to him. His blandness BECAME his character.
The Mickey shorts, based on those rubber hose cartoons in terms of tone and style, are far more successful at making Mickey appealing. They should go ahead and phase out the flesh-face Mickey and return to his dot-eyed rubber hose look the shorts brought back. Just make that the default.
>Is he right?
In a casual general sense, yes.
If you're a fricking nerd like some of the people who browse here though, you know that's not really 100% true though.
Mickey is like the horseshoe theory of cartoon characters, if he's your favorite you're either the most boring casual normie, or you're really deep into Cinemaphile stuff and know there's some legit really good stuff with Mickey. So he's both right and wrong in a weird way.
They don't usually talk Cinemaphile stuffs becaus they feel they have to little knowledge about it. Mike talked with Jay on the Simpsons episode becaus of how scary accurate the episode story/moments was compared what's going on IRL. Not the characters.
They don't but kinda get to mention the Cinemaphile characters in this movie becaus they are part of this movie. And probably the closest we will ever get, for better or worse.
Yes and No
Disney portrait Mickey as this jolly mouse character that started the company (think they still use steamboat intro to there movies). Doesn't push any of his character or quirk he can have. And if you put him next to Bugs Bunny, yee, he seem lame.
But if you are someone who watches all his cartoons and whatnot. There is more to him that is not lame. It's just like I mention earlier, Disney doesn't push that side of him to the public.
IN SHORT; casualy yes, non-casualy no.
Mickey isn't really a single character.
Rich is obviously American so he doesn't know much about Disney comics anyway but comic Mickey is a crime-fighting detective while brand Mickey is just a friendly host.
>matrix
They liked the meta narrative of the wachowskis ruining their own movie so nobody else could >kenobi
Jay just didn't like it but the other 2 were actually our of their mind in that recording, their favorite stories pissing and shitting themselves affected them more that i thought
Also, what the frick is wrong with hollywood? >Star Trek: Picard >2 seasons in and it barely has anything to do with Picard >Kenobi >Barely has anything to do with Kenobi
Picard is being played by a 90 year old so they don't want him to accidentally die on set and for Kenobi they had a touch of the Lucas and wanted to please every demographic at once and added Leia for kids
Also not pol but why do israelites run hollywood and shit its weird
RLM are like Cinemaphile in the fact that they like things only because they're not as bad as other things they've watched. Picard is so bad Kenobi is a fricking pallet cleanser to them now.
Kenobi
I know they went for the 'so bad it's good angle', but I didn't get that at all. It just so bad that it was just bad. It wasn't laughably bad, just baffling and boring.
>watch the video >they mock all the recent live action + animation films >they forgot one >Tom & Jerry
I mean everybody does, even when it was released.
There was a trivia night asking people to name films with random co-stars. No one could guess "2020: Chloe Grace Moretz, Colin Jost, Ken Jeong" and I kept thinking it was so random it had to be an animated film or the masked singer show.
Mickey was not about being funny. Ever since the success of Steamboat Willie being a sound cartoon, Mickey was constantly thrusted into shorts that would wow audiences with its technique and visual prowess.
It's the same way with The Old Mill. There were many times Walt just wanted to have animated shorts that were small events happening and you were supposed to enjoy watching them, like a random ballet performance with no story. You just admired the dancer's talent, you aren't really concerned that there's no three act story being told.
There's a reason why Mickey cartoons often looked more impressive with elaborate crowd shots, chase sequences, special effects, musical timing and so forth compared to the Goofy cartoons which were ten times funnier, but also way simpler visually. They'd never dedicate their animators to animating a train going through a tunnel or Goofy chasing after a train with an animated background like in Mr. Mouse takes a Trip.
As an Australian zoomer, kind of?
I've never really seen Mickey as anything except a corporate mascot, like Ronald McDonald. Like, there's the general idea that he's supposed to be funny and likable, but down here, he never appears in anything so he's not really a 'character.' He's a mascot. He doesn't have cartoons, he doesn't have movies, he doesn't have comics; he's just that mouse that Disney used to use back when they were just starting up. The only real Mickey content we have down here is Goofy. He can't be a lame character if he never had a character to begin with. I've never seen Fantasia or the older Disney movies, but I assume he wasn't terrible in them.
And in general, companies seem to be moving away from mascots anyway, so he's even more antiquated.
I believe the problem is like Vanilla Superman.
before when it came out it was fuking fantastic a new OC a new way of media even the character personality wasn't fully develloped or Superman his powers, in fact every comic they pulled something new. But now after a long time, Vanilla superman is boring that's why we have "God/jesus superman, or Evil superman (Injustice/homelander)" etc etc, micky comes from a time that he was never modernized or if they did it only to reflet the current times, that's why is boring. It comes from a "simplier time" if you wanna say it like that.
Most versions of Mickey are pretty boring, but there are a couple of comic versions (Gottfredson's long story strips and a bunch of later Italian stuff) that are pretty good, even if, as a character, he is inferior to Donald.
>tfw a freshly minted 29 year old boomer
Only 11 months and 3 weeks or so left before I graduate into wizardhood. I wonder how my life would have ended up if I hadn't spent the last 14 years shitposting on this site.
There is some stupid commie video essayist who claims that Goofy being an everyman in these shorts is meant to be propaganda for EVIL CAPITALIST CONFORMITY, when in reality him being the everyman is basically Disney pointing at people who engage in these activities and saying "You're a fricking idiot".
In the context of American releases beyond like the 40s, yes, and very obviously.
All the stuff where he isn't a generic stand-in is in euro comics past a certain date.
Probably because it's being put on a pedastal relative to modern Mickey and Modern Cartoons rather than older shit. I actually just realized I can't think of any other cartoons that are not only episodic but totally continuity free, this style of cartoon hasn't been done in years if not decades. It's oddly refreshing.
I think the Rudish shorts deserve their attention in general; I just mean relative to this conversation. You don't need to appeal to shit from the last decade to justify him. Just go watch The Mad Doctor, Mickey's Rival, Through the Mirror, The Brave Little Tailor, whatever. Even semi-recently there's The Prince and the Pauper, Runaway Brain, Get a Horse.
I remember Donald Duck shorts more than Mickey's. Mickey felt like Donald light when I was a kid. A dick in his own right, but nowhere near as nuts or memorable as Donald.
I'm sure they try to flesh him out in new shorts or comics but I imagine Donald left a bigger impression on people.
Mickey generally has no personality to fit the blank slate corporate mascot, but I have very much enjoyed the character in the somewhat recent Mickey Mouse cartoon series.
he could be interesting but at least in the usa he's lame and only used to push product,
sometimes he's used for cool stuff in places like europe or the miracle that is those wild shorts they did some years ago but if it gets too out there it gets shot down and retconned eventually by disney top brass (like that european spy mickey mouse where he dukes it out with criminals eventually got retconned into "it was actually a movie!!!" or something lame like that i don't remember well)
He probably thinks exercise is lame too.
Fricking lmao
When did he make a Danny Phantom reference? That's pretty based.
Half in the Bag of Ready Player One
Usually he is, but every so often someone comes along and fixes him. He’s great in the modern shorts.
kek
I want to frick a surprising amount of girl characters from the mighty b
Considering they're loosely based on Amy Poehler's childhood bullies, that probably says something.
I would totally impregnate and then perform and abortion on porscha and i would gladly eat the diseases snot of the asian bully b***h
I want Portia to fart and shit her pantyhose
>t. Mike Stoklasa
Damn
therefore he's wrong about mickey mouse?
not necessarily, but if he is dumb about one thing, there is a good chance he is also being dumb when talking about other things. There is only so much time people have in their lives, so why waste it on listening to someone you suspect is saying stupid things?
>There is only so much time people have in their lives, so why waste it on listening to someone you suspect is saying stupid things?
Hot take, considering where you're posting.
yes
RICH EVANS IS DOWN!
STOP THE DAMN MATCH!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
HE KILLED HIM!
>I'M CONTROLLING MY NARRATIVE...IN MY DREAMS.
>WHERE I'M A VIKING.
does anyone have that rlm image that shows how jay keeps getting better looking and happy while mike just keeps looking more miserable and fat ending with future mike looking like a morbidly obese man and jay as a gigachad?
this image reminded me of future mike in that pic
>Everyone's passing (you)s like it was total victory
It's Rich Evans. He's always defeated.
Why should a man exercise if he's already achieved optimal form?
In 99.99% of media yes
Kinda?
I know a lot of mickey fans, but all of them are girls who think he is cute, not because he is funny or anything
i wish he wasn't, wish Disney did more with him
Yes. I never cared about Mickey Mouse when I was a kid, I thought he was boring. I preferred Looney Tunes cause they were more zany and entertaining.
What year were you born? As that will tell me what era of Mickey that Disney wanted you to grasp onto.
The Steamboat Willie to early years of Mickey were structured to how people generally think of Bugs Bunny. Yes, he was still charming but would also fight back if pushed.
When Disneyland and later Disneyworld were established. That is when a lot of Mickey's charm was pushed aside so the character could become a mascot.
>What year were you born?
1998
Damn, I feel old as I was born in 1986.
Evening fellow oldgay, 1990 here. I try not to think about how old I am cause when I do I realize Ive been browsing Cinemaphile for legit over half of my life and it just makes me depressed that Ive been using this site longer than anons posting have been alive. I don't think I can ever leave this site there's nothing else to do on the internet besides youtube and reading about random shit in wikipedia.
I work at an elementary school so I'm confronted with how old I am everyday when I see these little frickers and hear what say. The other day they looked at me and a teacher like we had 5 heads because we were talking about how we had to learn square dancing in gym at their age and the kids didn't even know what square dancing was. We just looked at each other and shook our heads. At least kids still like pokemon, some shit never changes I was playing it at their age and now they're playing it too.
Ah, a fellow 86er!
Great to meet'cha.
Damn, I've only been on here since college, which I left in 2009.
1989. Is that really considered old on Cinemaphile? I was under the impression there were boomers here too.
Maybe it shows why a lot of zoomer posters here accept mediocrity. Everything in our era was colorful and everything in their era is reboots and bean mouths. I also noticed younger users don’t watch old material. My grandpa introduced me to older cartoons on VHS tapes, like Silly Symphonies and Looney Tunes. I don’t really know what younger peoples excuses are because the internet has everything. It’s probably information overload.
1989 was 33 years ago
Yeah? Do you think that’s old? There’s plenty of cartoons and animators that came before that.
>Yeah? Do you think that’s old?
Yes I do grandpa. Not even capping. Please to go the nearest retirement home.
Zoomies gonna zoom.
the Danny Phantom reference he made once proves Rich is a cartoon guy but has to hide his power level among friends
That Mickey take is really common but there’s a reason it is
Rich Evans has always had the highest powerlevel out of the RLM gang and if you ever watched his old lets plays you can really tell, but he's good at not geeking out about stuff on camera unless it's comedically embarrassing (like when Jay or Mike get a tidbit wrong in a comic book movie and you know Rich knows the answer but he lets it ride because it's funny not to)
Rich is a cartoon AND comic guy, dude read the Boys comic.
Not as interesting because in my experience every current movie guy who was a teenager in the 90s has also read a ton of comics, IDK what exactly that’s about
He's not even a character. Just a corporate mascot.
As said, Mickey is simply a corporate mascot. People who claim that we are currently in a revival of Mickey as a character fail to understand that Disney will never do anything too outrageous with him as it could "rock the boat".
The last time that anything too outrageous was done with Mickey is when Walt was still alive. The former and current Disney Plus animated shows are only a small timeframe compared to the character's legacy. Otherwise, Disney wants to be extremely careful with the image that Mickey presents to people.
>People who claim that we are currently in a revival of Mickey as a character fail to understand that Disney will never do anything too outrageous with him as it could "rock the boat".
Why would he need to? There's more to being a character than that.
>Every hack is going to try and make their parody deconstruction of Mickey Mouse, every slimy t-shirt stall is going to have Mickey mouse, every fricking pretentious artist wannabe makes their own dark adult Mickey shit.
So exactly like it is now?
>The last time that anything too outrageous was done with Mickey is when Walt was still alive.
>What is Runaway Brain
>isney wants to be extremely careful with the image that Mickey presents to people.
He fricked Minnie inside Goofy's stomach.
>Is he right?
No.
>Is Mickey a lame fricking character?
Yes.
the best answer.
Mickey when written well and not treated as an untouchable idol of perfection is what makes him lame. A good comedy writer or adventure writer can bring up parts of Mickey that we're not used to seeing.
micky mouse is good when he's with pete, but the newer shorts of mickey are kino
He became funny in 2013
Pretty racist of a white man to call a biracial character like Micky Mouse lame.
If you haven't watched all of Disney's early shorts (silly symphonies, mickey, etc) your opinion on animation and film doesn't matter, and you should leave this board because you're a waste of space.
Woah, I didn't know he was in cartoons. I wonder what he sounds like.
Based.
i watched some of the old oswald shorts, they were charming. oughta watch the donald stuff some time.
Bro I did and outside of Steamboat Willie and The Mad Doctor, Mickey's old cartoons paled in comparison to Donald's and ESPECIALLY Goofy's.
hey, Donald and Goofy were later innovations that made Mickey obsolete. blaming Mickey for that is like blaming the Atari 2600 for not being as good as the NES.
which is why they kept making Donald and Goofy cartoons long after they stopped making Mickey cartoons, and in the 80s and 90s their afternoon lineup always had at least one duck show in it.
I mean he can raise brooms to do work with magic so I can't say he's lame but Donald and Goofy always been cooler than him.
>Goofy
>Cool
He is moron among the 3 that people ridicule.
Goofy gets mad pussy though
He has a fricking son and is a good dad.
>good dad
Debatable. He's certainly nice but he had bad communication problems with Max
On the spectrum of dads, thats a pretty small flaw to have
I haven't watch RLM in like 3 years
Sort of. In general Mickey Mouse as a character is often means to an end; a vehicle for wacky hijinks or adventure. But the gee-shucks earnestness mixed with mischief is also why he's such an effective vehicle. And he was effective: a lot of Mickey Mouse shorts (and comics) are great.
Oswald is cooler
Overrated?
Yes
Yes but specifically because he's designed to be fricking lame at this point.
He's made to be inoffensive and bland, he's a mascot that's incidentally a cartoon character.
That's why he was at his best when he isn't bound to the standards Disney forces him into.
Nicely said as you are 110% right.
When the new Mickey shorts shows are finished. I expect Disney to cast the show(s) aside as they did with House of Mouse.
Cannot have their mascot show too much personality.
That depends whether they somehow manage to prolong their Mickey IP for another 50 years again. They're really stretching the limits of common license laws and eventually even hiring armies of lawyers isn't going to be enough.
Thats also the reason why Rich and Jay were wrong about Mickey never being seen in the same screen with Bugs Bunny again. Both characters are so old, Mickey especially that the companies owning the IP are going to lose them to the public soon. When Mickey becomes a free to use public IP, he's going to be fricking everywhere. Every hack is going to try and make their parody deconstruction of Mickey Mouse, every slimy t-shirt stall is going to have Mickey mouse, every fricking pretentious artist wannabe makes their own dark adult Mickey shit.
>Both characters are so old, Mickey especially that the companies owning the IP are going to lose them to the public soon. When Mickey becomes a free to use public IP, he's going to be fricking everywhere.
Implying Disney will let that happen.
We're heading for a massive economic global collapse sooner than later. When that happens companies will have far more pressing matters than chasing around IP appropiators and the like.
Its going to happen. They already tried to extend the rights of Steamboat Willie and they failed. The only victory they claimed was arguing that new Mickey is different enough to be counted as a new character. But next year January 2024 the classic Steamboat Mickey design becomes public domain.
Honestly they're phasing it out as is
Those shorts were so fricking popular on YouTube it was ridiculous and them moving it to Disney Plus exclusive feels like the equivalent of Warner moving the looney tunes shorts to boomerang and then hbomax, although that was kind of doa
Yes. The new cartoons even constantly poke fun at Mickey being two-goody-shoes to a point it becomes a character fault.
That's probably why I loved the three-legged race episode so much: everybody is cheating but Mickey, he pairs with Pete who lies to him about not being a cheater (which is followed by a scene of Mickey naively believing him and listing all the people who "were wrong about him", including his friends and the FBI). Then you have the ending in which Mickey drags the unconscious body of Pete to the finish line at snail pace as choirs are singing in the back and the seasons are fast-forwarding. Mickey finally reaches the goal and enjoys his victory after everybody got tired of his bullshit and left a few seasons ago.
These shorts are probably the best thing to happen to the character, they actually made me enjoy Mickey who I was mostly ambivalent about.
Seems like Mickey's old design is tied to most of his good stuff.
These shorts revitalized Mickey, and Rich probably hasn't seen them.
Mickey is a mascot not a character.
Mickey doesn't frick so he can't be a lame fricking character.
In a generalized way, yes.
But Mickey can and has been good. Some shorts have given more personality and things to do then what is usually expected and I'd argue the most recent incarnation of his shorts is Mickey at his best. Honestly, if we were talking about the modern shorts than Rich would be wrong. But Mickey is a century old at this point so it's hard to blame him for his viewpoint.
My favorite classic Disney short is The Band Concert where Mickey for once is played a more cynical role of a stern conductor getting progressively more upset at his incompetent band and Donald who is activily sabatoging him. The short is great but the one issue is that not only it really doesn't feel like any other Disney short, the whole thing feels like a Looney Tune short. Donald is a straight up classic Daffy Duck rip-off in this and Mickey's role and relationship with Donald in this is very akin to Porky and Daffy than what they usually are. So it probably says something that one of my favorite Classic Disney shorts is the one that feels most like a Looney Tune short.
>The Band Concert
>Symphony Hour
There's something about directing Donald in musicals that outright pushes Mickey over the edge, huh.
Shit, include Phillarmagic on there too and we've found a pattern.
rare ear design
Are classic Mickey's eyes entirely his pupils, or is some percentage of the borderless white expanse of his face designated as the whites of his eyes? I recall a short in which Mickey blinked with just his pupils, but Minnie's eyeliids blinked over the whole surface of her white face above her nose. Creepy shit.
Who?
Mickey is a brand more that a charter, he can't be particularly funny or interesting since something he does might offend soemoen.
>he can't be particularly funny or interesting since something he does might offend soemoen
Then again the same can be said about any other character nowadays as well.
>rich evans mentioned jessica rabbit rule 34
WE DID IT REDDIT
does he know there is RLM Rule 34 (and Rule 63)?
why. is it any different from regular r34?
is there scat, guro involved in most of the fanart?
He’s even boring and soulless as frick in Kingdom Hearts. Disney really doesn’t want to give him anything other than bland huh?
Mickey doesn't really have any personality traits, Donald has a short fuse, Goofy is goofy and even Bugs is a wise ass and a corporate mascot. Mickey has nothing going on because represents the safe image of company. Same goes for Mario in vidya
Mario as a character has always worked best as a mime (as in Super Mario RPG and the Paper Mario series). I don't know if that says anything good about a character.
This guy never has more than a base level opinion on anything. He's the comic guy of the group but anytime they mention something he says "I never read that one".
what would rich evans think about Kingdom Hearts?
Frick KH, what would rich evans think of star vs or steven universe?
Let's keep asking for a PreRec revival so he can tell us.
Probably alot of "what the frick"s.
Yes. Here in the US, Mickey is just a trademark. A brand to slap on a lunchbox. He hasn't been used as an actual character to tell a story with in decades.
In Europe he's an actual character for some reason.
Even in Europe, he isn't as popular as Donald Duck, who is pretty much an icon there.
While I agree Mickey is much more of a character in the comics made in Europe, he is still 100x less interesting and less popular than Donald Duck is over here.
Somewhat.
Older shorts? Comparatively, yes, he's lamer compared to Donald, Goofy, Bugs, Daffy, Popeye, etc., but part of that is because he's supposed to be more everyman and easy to slip into a variety of situations, whereas with other characters I mentioned, they tend to lean more into their quirks. That doesn't even make his old shorts bad, but they tend not to stand out as much when he's got such stiff competition. That said, the newer Rudish shorts found a much better balance of keeping the everyman aspects and giving him more personality.
I think a lot of Mickey’s appeal besides his design comes from him being somewhat of an “everyman” character who often gets roped into wild or outrageous scenarios. Mickey isn’t so much the central focus but rather the situations he gets himself into.
No, but being relegated to a mascot is.
You think Donald, you think rage.
You think Goofy, you think a goofy character.
You think Mickey, you think... Disney logo?
Rich confirmed tasteless casual
>Star Wars is creatively bankrupt
Yeah we knewthhat
Gottfredson Mickey is fantastic. Disney is never gonna bring back guntoting, trainhopping antihero Mickey, are they?
Are these comics available to read online somewhere.
A quick look on libgen shows both the colour volumes and a couple of the black and white ones. Not sure if they've all been scanned though since they were never released digitally.
ok
That was 70-90 years ago
These guys have some pretty stupid takes lately.
But If you grew up in the 80s and 90s, Mickey was barely present in ANY media. And when he was he was just a mascot, not so much a character. Comparing that to Goofy and Donald who had their own series going and even starred in their own video games.
Someone who grew up in this time has every reason to think Mickey is just fluff, even relative to other Disney characters.
>These guys have some pretty stupid takes lately.
I think as a result of the cynicism echo chamber both from real life and their online fandom, they're moving further away from "actually having some good points of media" and into "old man yells at cloud"
I just hate how arbitrary their decisions as to what to review seems to be now.
That Spider-man crossover that was all the buzz? Nah. Top Gun, which is proving theaters still have some life left in them? Nah. One of the weaker Disney+ Star Wars shows? Yeah!
To be fair, it seems like they genuinely had nothing to say about Spider-man, and I'd assume that's the case for Top Gun as well.
They had more to say about it than they did about MoM, in the MoM review.
I'm not sure they actually saw the movie. Jay is a huge Bruce Campbell fan and he didn't even bring those gags up.
Mike talked about how he doesn't like the way the MCU Spiderman movies all have the word "Home" in them, but he did actually really like No Way Home, and even said Andrew Garfield was the best part.
RLM has always been some average schlubby nerds talking about movies. And that's fine because they didn't really pretend to be otherwise. It's their fanbase that started treating them as if they were genuinely insightful critics.
I agree partially, but a lot of their more recent content within the last few years has had this air of superiority about it
...of course, do the audience even want Mickey to be a "character?"
Growing up the only things I saw Mickey in was when he was used as a literal animated host or spokesperson, Fantasia and that short where he gets his brain swapped. That last thing was the only thing that made him seem like a real character, and it seemed like the outlier.
It has a few good cartoons like the one with the seal but I have always believed Goofy is the king of comedy in Disney with Donald as a distant second, not because Donald was bad but because the Goofy cartoons were just that fricking good
Mickey when he's played off as a rubber hose cartoon character is fantastic. The problem is that Disney in the 60s wanted to make Mickey as friendly and family oriented as possible so they started ironing out all of his personality flaws until he had no real unique qualities to him. His blandness BECAME his character.
The Mickey shorts, based on those rubber hose cartoons in terms of tone and style, are far more successful at making Mickey appealing. They should go ahead and phase out the flesh-face Mickey and return to his dot-eyed rubber hose look the shorts brought back. Just make that the default.
>Is he right?
In a casual general sense, yes.
If you're a fricking nerd like some of the people who browse here though, you know that's not really 100% true though.
Mickey is like the horseshoe theory of cartoon characters, if he's your favorite you're either the most boring casual normie, or you're really deep into Cinemaphile stuff and know there's some legit really good stuff with Mickey. So he's both right and wrong in a weird way.
> If you're a fricking nerd like some of the people who browse here though
doubt these type of people browse Cinemaphile too
They don't usually talk Cinemaphile stuffs becaus they feel they have to little knowledge about it. Mike talked with Jay on the Simpsons episode becaus of how scary accurate the episode story/moments was compared what's going on IRL. Not the characters.
They don't but kinda get to mention the Cinemaphile characters in this movie becaus they are part of this movie. And probably the closest we will ever get, for better or worse.
Yes and No
Disney portrait Mickey as this jolly mouse character that started the company (think they still use steamboat intro to there movies). Doesn't push any of his character or quirk he can have. And if you put him next to Bugs Bunny, yee, he seem lame.
But if you are someone who watches all his cartoons and whatnot. There is more to him that is not lame. It's just like I mention earlier, Disney doesn't push that side of him to the public.
IN SHORT; casualy yes, non-casualy no.
People who think Mickey is "lame" or "sterile" are just too cynical to enjoy a character who's innocent and sincere.
Remember that time when Mickey was a detective? Those were some kino comics.
Mickey's cartoons were great until the 40s.Brave Little Tailor is his best short
It's the Mario problem. He's the brand, and Disney/Nintendo want him to be as clean and family friendly as possible.
See
Nothing wrong with Mario. Nothing wrong with Mickey. The problem is you. It's the homosexual problem.
Show him the Paul Rudish shorts/series.
Not really. You can find plenty of character in his many shorts over the years.
Mickey isn't really a single character.
Rich is obviously American so he doesn't know much about Disney comics anyway but comic Mickey is a crime-fighting detective while brand Mickey is just a friendly host.
Disney purposefully made him lame because he’s their brand icon.
absolutely yes. only time i liked him was in prince and the pauper and the one where he does the jekyll hyde thing and turns in to a monster
>Liked Matrix 4
>Liked Midnight Mass
>Liked Kenobi
It's been a shitty year so far for RLM
They've said they liked matrix and kenobi because they're bad.
>matrix
They liked the meta narrative of the wachowskis ruining their own movie so nobody else could
>kenobi
Jay just didn't like it but the other 2 were actually our of their mind in that recording, their favorite stories pissing and shitting themselves affected them more that i thought
Also, what the frick is wrong with hollywood?
>Star Trek: Picard
>2 seasons in and it barely has anything to do with Picard
>Kenobi
>Barely has anything to do with Kenobi
Picard is being played by a 90 year old so they don't want him to accidentally die on set and for Kenobi they had a touch of the Lucas and wanted to please every demographic at once and added Leia for kids
Also not pol but why do israelites run hollywood and shit its weird
What's wrong with Midnight Mass?
RLM are like Cinemaphile in the fact that they like things only because they're not as bad as other things they've watched. Picard is so bad Kenobi is a fricking pallet cleanser to them now.
They're such miserable Boomers I hope I don't grow up and be like them
I don't think you know wat that word means. Most of them are late gen x.
I'm 19 and I already at their point, leave why you can and cartoon and comics will only make you a bitter old man.
Too late.
Kenobi
I know they went for the 'so bad it's good angle', but I didn't get that at all. It just so bad that it was just bad. It wasn't laughably bad, just baffling and boring.
what's the problem with midnight mass?
>watch the video
>they mock all the recent live action + animation films
>they forgot one
>Tom & Jerry
I mean everybody does, even when it was released.
There was a trivia night asking people to name films with random co-stars. No one could guess "2020: Chloe Grace Moretz, Colin Jost, Ken Jeong" and I kept thinking it was so random it had to be an animated film or the masked singer show.
Stale, corporate mascot Mickey is fricking lame
30's globetrotting comic Mickey is a fun adventure comics protagonist
Mickey was not about being funny. Ever since the success of Steamboat Willie being a sound cartoon, Mickey was constantly thrusted into shorts that would wow audiences with its technique and visual prowess.
It's the same way with The Old Mill. There were many times Walt just wanted to have animated shorts that were small events happening and you were supposed to enjoy watching them, like a random ballet performance with no story. You just admired the dancer's talent, you aren't really concerned that there's no three act story being told.
There's a reason why Mickey cartoons often looked more impressive with elaborate crowd shots, chase sequences, special effects, musical timing and so forth compared to the Goofy cartoons which were ten times funnier, but also way simpler visually. They'd never dedicate their animators to animating a train going through a tunnel or Goofy chasing after a train with an animated background like in Mr. Mouse takes a Trip.
Gonna paraphrase John K here but he is a terrible character, good mascot/logo though
They've made him a bad character by making him a mascot
Depends on the artist. The italian and south american writers are rather good.
Only edgelords and /misc/tards hate Mickey
Ritch is a such a fat moron
But yes, he's right
What happened to the wizard guy?
Rarely see him on Re:View any more.
Probably scared of the covid since he's a disgusting fat blob.
Anon, the two main guys of rlm are fatsos too.
But I think his lack of humor/witty comments is the main reason.
They're not as hideously ugly and bald as you, Josh.
He's right, but Mickey is a straight man. He makes others funnier. You don't have to like Mickey the best to enjoy a Mickey Mouse cartoon.
As an Australian zoomer, kind of?
I've never really seen Mickey as anything except a corporate mascot, like Ronald McDonald. Like, there's the general idea that he's supposed to be funny and likable, but down here, he never appears in anything so he's not really a 'character.' He's a mascot. He doesn't have cartoons, he doesn't have movies, he doesn't have comics; he's just that mouse that Disney used to use back when they were just starting up. The only real Mickey content we have down here is Goofy. He can't be a lame character if he never had a character to begin with. I've never seen Fantasia or the older Disney movies, but I assume he wasn't terrible in them.
And in general, companies seem to be moving away from mascots anyway, so he's even more antiquated.
I love Mickey in Kingdom Hearts.
This was the coolest goddamn shit
In Europe they have comics where he goes on quests and shit
The Floyd Gottfredson comics are pretty good too
I believe the problem is like Vanilla Superman.
before when it came out it was fuking fantastic a new OC a new way of media even the character personality wasn't fully develloped or Superman his powers, in fact every comic they pulled something new. But now after a long time, Vanilla superman is boring that's why we have "God/jesus superman, or Evil superman (Injustice/homelander)" etc etc, micky comes from a time that he was never modernized or if they did it only to reflet the current times, that's why is boring. It comes from a "simplier time" if you wanna say it like that.
Yes, he's blander than a soggy piece of white bread
It's like the people who play as Mario in Mario Kart or Marios sports games.
Most versions of Mickey are pretty boring, but there are a couple of comic versions (Gottfredson's long story strips and a bunch of later Italian stuff) that are pretty good, even if, as a character, he is inferior to Donald.
Maybe modern mascot only Mickey, but older Mickey is great.
>tfw a freshly minted 29 year old boomer
Only 11 months and 3 weeks or so left before I graduate into wizardhood. I wonder how my life would have ended up if I hadn't spent the last 14 years shitposting on this site.
remember anon
i like him in the old italian comic books i used to read
he was always in mystery stories
Overall Goofy and Donald were funnier.
There is some stupid commie video essayist who claims that Goofy being an everyman in these shorts is meant to be propaganda for EVIL CAPITALIST CONFORMITY, when in reality him being the everyman is basically Disney pointing at people who engage in these activities and saying "You're a fricking idiot".
In the context of American releases beyond like the 40s, yes, and very obviously.
All the stuff where he isn't a generic stand-in is in euro comics past a certain date.
yes
Someone hasn't seen Dandi 's Mickey pics
>...You're supposed to be funny?
I like the Rudish shorts, but I find it strange that they're put on a pedestal when all the great old shorts exist.
Probably because it's being put on a pedastal relative to modern Mickey and Modern Cartoons rather than older shit. I actually just realized I can't think of any other cartoons that are not only episodic but totally continuity free, this style of cartoon hasn't been done in years if not decades. It's oddly refreshing.
I think the Rudish shorts deserve their attention in general; I just mean relative to this conversation. You don't need to appeal to shit from the last decade to justify him. Just go watch The Mad Doctor, Mickey's Rival, Through the Mirror, The Brave Little Tailor, whatever. Even semi-recently there's The Prince and the Pauper, Runaway Brain, Get a Horse.
Possibly
Yes, but in the comics he's great.
Mickey isn't a character; he's an actor.
hasn't anyone posted the gif of Rich Evans in the Vader mask reacting to the Episode 7 trailer yet?
>Ctrl-F Minnie
>0/0
hau that's fookin' gey
Yes, but the world around him is amazing.
Mickey is the "ladder" character that makes the others deliver the jokes better.
how dense this motherfricker is lmao
also, classic mickey has some kino moments, definitely a good overall character
Yes and yes. God Evans literally can't stop winning
I remember Donald Duck shorts more than Mickey's. Mickey felt like Donald light when I was a kid. A dick in his own right, but nowhere near as nuts or memorable as Donald.
I'm sure they try to flesh him out in new shorts or comics but I imagine Donald left a bigger impression on people.
>Is Mickey a lame fricking character?
Minne thinks so since they never got married.
They specifically don't review animated movies because of their lack of interest in it so his opinion is worthless
Mickey generally has no personality to fit the blank slate corporate mascot, but I have very much enjoyed the character in the somewhat recent Mickey Mouse cartoon series.
He's a Mascot (at least in America) not a character
Yes he is. I never got his appeal.
he could be interesting but at least in the usa he's lame and only used to push product,
sometimes he's used for cool stuff in places like europe or the miracle that is those wild shorts they did some years ago but if it gets too out there it gets shot down and retconned eventually by disney top brass (like that european spy mickey mouse where he dukes it out with criminals eventually got retconned into "it was actually a movie!!!" or something lame like that i don't remember well)