Is he the villain with the worst motivations in fiction history?
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Is he the villain with the worst motivations in fiction history?
Is he the villain with the worst motivations in fiction history?
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NOT GUILTY
BECAUSE JIGGY IS THE WORST HORROR MOVIE VILLAIN OF ALL TIME
>JIGGY
a doggy that's jogging?
No that's homosexual who is guilty of murder and yet still manages to be THE WORST HORROR MOVIE VILLAIN OF ALL TIME
How can he be guilty of murder when he's never killed anyone?
He killed lots of people. At minimum he'd get multiple counts of depraved indifference.
My father actually worked as a blood splatter analyst for the police, and he told me that Jigsaw would be walking free the next day. Without any proper evidence that he directly killed any of his victims, the state wouldn't be able to put him in jail for more than a day.
Except for all the video evidence we have.
You mean the video evidence that shows him giving his "victims" a choice?
Crazy is crazy.
I cant believe tv is forcing a meme older than this website. Oh wait, yes i can
I mean Cinemaphile is actually not a website tho.
What is it moron
social media
It's an anonymous board, dumbass.
>a meme older than this website
What a wierd thing to lie about.
Rebranded from Cinemaphile.net to Cinemaphile in what, 2005? Then Cinemaphile.org a few years ago. That's before you even get into the old subdomains.
Theseus' ship but I estimate the age of this website at 3-5 years.
1. Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile are two different things.
2. Cinemaphile is an app that was created in 1998. The Cinemaphile app was created in 2006.
3. The Saw franchise didn't exist until 2018.
4. Memes are antisemitic. We here in the Cinemaphile community do not appreciate antisemitism.
5. Reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight.
troony
sorry boss
>The Cinemaphile app was created in 2006.
Are you sure it was 2006? I was on Cinemaphile before Cinemaphile but I don't think I was here in 2006.
He's getting confused. In 2006 Cinemaphile was called world4ch and it was a subforum of Something Awful. The app was only available on iPhones however, announced that year.
This app went to suit when Lowtax sold it to “Moot”
>app
bloody b***h bastard
frick
I was going to (You) you for a chuckle until I noticed the forced reply bait.
fuc kyou
I mean why would you attempt to rate on a scale of 1 to 10 a crazy person's motivation?
The charges?
I mean the charge is obviously murder. And kidnapping.
What's obvious about it?
Wasn't in self-defense because they (usually) weren't in the same room. Can't be ruled suicides because, except for the self-harm guy, they wouldn't have done it otherwise.
Very purposeful so no manslaughter. By deductive reasoning we can only call it murder. Same reason I've essentially stolen wristwatches (the crime of theft) by not always paying my taxes on time and occasionally littering in my youth.
Lel, cannot prove it was him
They decides to commit sudoku
Sir, your trap house isn’t up to code. This building has been condemned
Kidnapping, premeditated murder, torture, drugging, making man-traps
How is he the villain?
He killed Adam even though the guy won his game because he was nice and young.
That's a serious accusation to make without any proof, pretty sure he could sue you for that
>He killed Adam
Killed by Amanda
He never killed anyone. He always gave them a choice.
Amanda was his b***h and he knew she was twisted. Adam won and John let him die anyways because he would never be his follower.
Look at the mental gymnastics these guys have to come up with to convict him lol
I just admitted something I'm NOT proud of. Not that you have to feel guilt to be guilty, but it was challenging.
Very cruel of you to come back at me like that. Maybe you should do some reflection of your own.
What? I like John. I don't want him in prison. I just wish he would admit he failed Adam back in 04 because he was jealous of Adam's youthness.
>he was jealous of Adam's youthness
and Adam's handsomeness
Straight up. John caught Jill Tuck jerking off to this photo and went nuts.
He is relentlessly handsome.
Adam lost his game because he didnt saw off his foot like Dr. Gordon did. that was the only way to win.
>are you going to watch yourself die today, Adam, or do something about it?
Adam's game was to survive. Lawrence's game was to kill him.
You have a point but remember that Adam was about to shoot John with the gun. It was at that moment John saw that he did not learn his damned lesson about caring about the lives of others. the reason he was in the game was because and as John said himself in the tape. Adam was apathetic to others. his hole game revolved around helping another person live. in this case Gordon. Adam also murdered Zepp who was another unfortunate player in the game. Adam would of been let go had he not tried to shoot John most likely.
>Adam also murdered Zepp
Killing someone in self defense is not murder.
Zepp was about to shoot Gordon (which proves Adam cared about Lawrence). It's good to remember that at this time Adam thought he was the culprit.
???
the key to the chain was with him in the bathtub. he could have escaped at any time had he found the key.
if that happened, he could have tried unlocking gordon's chain or at least leaving to get help.
this kind of brings up an interesting question - what was adam's game really? other than how things went in the movie to drive the plot, what was the point of this?
maybe it was supposed to go like this:
1. adam finds the key and unlocks himself.
2. he cannot unlock gordon's chain
3. adam gets the tape recorder and gun, listens to the tapes.
4. check toilet for saws, finds 2 but only gordon needs one
5. then what?
adam hangs out with gordon for 8 hours?
why jigsaw wanted adam to be killed by gordon is also strange. it has nothing to do with teaching him a lesson about anything, really. while the motivation is to save his family by killing adam, this doesn't give the possibility that both survive.
the first saw is very strange this way. the setup of this game only works in the context of the movie written around it, rather than the other way.
james wan and leigh whannell mention this too, at least, on the commentary. they said they had to keep having stuff happen to drive the plot forward so they keep finding things in that room.
That's exactly what I thought when I watched the first film back in the day. Why Adam was forced to play the game anyway? I don't recall him doing anything "wrong" to be kidnapped by Jigsaw. And then he got killed by Amanda for no reason. I think they fricked it up by killing Adam honestly
I don't think that would hold up in an actual court.
Amanda went to put the poor bastard out of his misery
I'm pretty sure drugging, kidnapping and putting people in situations where the choice is to die or be maimed and mutilating dead bodies to carve out Jigsaw pieces is illegal. And he didn't have any apprentices to help him out with Cecil.
he never included any kids in his games
adultknapping is a misdemeanor at best
Actually starvation killed him. John proven innocent once again
Amanda killed him, John never touched him
Literally a lie
I mean he is killing people.
This and what is hilarious is how all those responses actually prove you right
IT IS NOT JIGSAW'S RIGHT TO GIVE THEM A CHOICE TO LIVE OR DIE
And just like that I have proven that Jiggy is guilty of murder. Thanks for playing homosexuals LOL
He's a murderer that forces people into deadly situations. See? I just proved that without a doubt Jigsaw is a murderer.
He never killed anybody or forced anybody to die from anything though. They always had the choice
Except we see that they didn't have a choice.
Yes they did.
They never had the choice to not participate in the games. He placed them in them. Plus, his attempted murder of Tapp by slashing his throat and laying traps intended to kill Sing in the first movie and the other officers in the second movie.
He doesn't force anyone into those situations. They chose to be there through their own actions. And besides, they could have left at any time. He always gave them a choice.
only watched X.
I found it a weird kind of movie tbqhhh.
Electro in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 hated Spider-Man because he was underappreciated in this job and a minor incident made him finally snap. Something that happens with real-life criminals all the time. Except Electro also gained super powers, so he used them aggressively against one person he projected it all onto.
HE FORGOT HIS BIRTHDAY!!! LMAO WHAT A DUMB MOVIE, COMIC BOOK TIER MOTIVATIONS.
I mean he is crazy in the head. I mean like Elliott Rodger.
God in The Old Testament
Similar to the gender-swapped version of Twilight and the Fifty Shades of Grey from Grey's point of view, they should make a Saw film called "Was" where it's about a doctor who recovered from brain cancer and decided to help dying people. He gives them the choice of whether to continue dying or brings them back to life (he usually does).
>Villain
He doesn't kill anyone, OP
I started watching 3 and the gore is off the roof, does it just become gore porn later on? Sad. First two were great.
3 has the worst pacing but the last 15 minutes or so are kino
It's kino despite the gore. 4 and 6 are great, 5 is mid, 7 is absolute ass and one of the main reasons is because the over the top gore. Jigsaw (2017)'s game is pretty good but the rest is mid. Avoid Spiral like the plague. Saw X is mostly gore porn tbh but it has good parts.
When you directly shoot and kill someone it's second degree murder. I don't get why it's not first degree. What's first degree murder then? If you use your bare hands m
The degree doesn't depend on the manner but rather the motivation. First degree is pre-meditated, while second degree is more incidental.
Oh.
>ah shit im mad frick you! bang!
>thats right bond, ive been planning to use the sharks and lasers for months now, and youve finally fallen right into my trap
difference between first degree and second degree. the shark guy is obviously worse, his behavior is that of a movie villain
>gets convicted for racial discrimination
Jiggybros, how could he be so careless here?
HELLO RYAN CARSON
I WANT TO PLAY A GAME
FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, YOU HAVE FOUGHT FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE - RELEASING CRIMINALS BACK INTO YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN ANGRY BLACK MAN WITH A KNIFE.
WILL YOU KEEP WALKING INTO HIM AND RISK BEING STABBED?
OR WILL YOU CROSS THE STREET AND RISK BEING CALLED RACIST?
LIVE OR DIE RYAN
MAKE YOUR CHOICE
>the right to (painlessly, medically-assisted) end your own life only exists in Switzerland and (soon) Canada
We're going to look back on this as completely insane, aren't we?
Who cares if it's legal or not? What are they going to do, throw my corpse in jail?
It's about caring while you're alive. Even if you're not terminally ill and just want choice over how/when you're going to die. Most people DON'T want to die painfully. It would be nicer to swallow some pills in a comfy bed and drift off. Plus have some final words with your family and friends first.
But nope, it's the criminal/causing trauma to others/would throw your corpse in jail IF THEY COULD route. That's more ethical apparently.
I agree it should be legal, but it's not like there aren't plenty of easy and painless ways to have a nice day that any person can access.
Yeah it's everything surrounding that. Even if you believe there is no afterlife "who cares I'm DEAD!" and you know exactly how to get barbiturates and take them safely, if you're sound of mind it's like a "last will and testament" type deal.
Frankly you'd be an arsehole if you were dying of old age but said "frick looking after my family, I'm dead, it doesn't matter." Use your prep time wisely. And enshrine that in law for people who want to die and are capable of making that decision.
Yes.
The people who passed those laws are pure evil and (ironically) deserve the death penalty.
Nope, that title goes to Martyrs.
Hes definitely the most moronic looking
No hate on the actor playing him but, as a horror icon, he is a pinch faced doofus geezer in a ridiculous boxing robe. And carries around a laughably stupid looking doll everywhere he goes
Like how did that spawn 10 movies? Whose idea was that?
Why does he wear a silk boxing robe?
My uncle is a US Attorney and he says the Saw movies keep him up at night because you couldn't convict him. Every thing he did was lawful. Scary stuff.
I'm a former Supreme Court Justice, and even a traffic cop could prove him guilty.
The only thing that's been keeping your uncle up at night is my moans while that old bastard screws my insides.
The cops he killed in his electric stair trap, they were duly sworn law enforcement officers carrying out a search warrant, and made themselves known
checkmate jiggays
jiggy is a sovereign citizen
Illegal search warrant; those were trespassers killed in self defense.
castle doctrine
they didn't die
The really scary thing about these movies is you couldn’t even technically arrest jigsaw. Wtf! This is why America is so fricked! Biden or trump needs to fix this shit!
>shoot someone with a gun
>literally take out a firearm and propel a bullet into another human being
>thereby putting them in hospital from their injuries
well he was being annoyed, but i suppose he discharged a weapon in a public place. sounds like that might scare a few passers-by. so it's only fair!
Rico laws anon. Rico laws.
>Villain
He wasn't the villain.
>worst motivations in fiction history?
To help people defeat their demons?
Sorry OP, some of us actually care about society and want to help people improve themselves.
He counters Jason in the sense that after the twist ending (and the original director) he took over.
Except he's not mute and actually stays dead after two more installments.
She's pretty hot.
wait, what? I only saw the first 3 movies and some parts of the 4th one. How the frick is Jigsaw still around?
Saw X takes place between Saw 1 and Saw 2. So before he died in 3
i laughed my ass off at the intestine scene.
intestines look absolutely nothing like that. they are all connected together by a fatty membrane called mesentery which specifically helps keep them from getting twisted around. Even if you were to remove this which would take 5-10 minutes of cutting, you could not use the intestines to lasso a fricking table. it would be like trying to lasso a table with hot dog casings
kek I'm impressed by how easily she dragged a dead body toward her with just ONE fricking arm. Dead bodies are way heavier than you think.
How would you know?
It's missing a head and a leg. Are you a troony? Trannies commonly have had no physical interaction with women whatsoever so they have zero understanding of how light girls are. Sad.
Is it worth watching every movie?
No it falls off after 3
YES
Yeah
>In the case of the Jigsaw killer, we the jury find the defendant, John Kramer.... NOT GUILTY of all charges.
>abloobloobloo I have cancer and my doctor was bad at his job abloobloobloo everyone else should suffer
When did you realize Jigsaw is literally just an edgy rebellion teen?
Literally me (but 35)
His motivations were always moronic, but he was actually based until before the library fire.
The whole series was pretty weak and I always saw it as movies for second generation immigrants and lower class people. Same with fast and the furious movies.
wat.
I was the only white person in the theater for Saw X
Why didn't he just push for systemic reform of crime/degeneracy
D0NT CARE
HE DIDNT KILL ANYONE
JIGSAW SAID IT
I BELIEVE IT
THAT SETTLES IT
>Wanting people to appreciate life is a bad motivation
G-d I wish Jigsaw were real and put you in one of his games you moron
>G-d
Solid bait
Good thing YHWH has us in one of his games
heh
She deserved it.
>The guy didn't win.
I was so annoyed.
In a jury trial. Jiggy walks every time, all the time
I N N O C E N T
Literally all you have to do is say that you don’t want to take part in his game and would like to leave unharmed. Ended up in his kill house and when I woke up I explained that if I took part I’d be late to my AA meeting . Very understanding man who was willing to work around my schedule, got a meeting with him Tuesday
>Jigsaw taught me how to live
deep
>Your Honor, the defendant is charged with disturbing the peace by virtue of being too sexy.
>Defense, how do you plead?
>No contest, Your Honor
That would be any villian from Star Wars.
Would you use jury nullification if you had to do jury duty for his trial?
The true overarching message of the Saw movies is that choosing a femoid as your protégé is the most profoundly moronic thing a man can do in life
>you've been inside your mom's belly for 8 months, feeding off of her, leeching without remorse. Today we will test how truly independent you are. Live or die, the choice is yours
The kid is a hapa
To live is the true punishment
I'm very horny rn. I'll frick that boy rn.
I am genuinely perplexed by your question. By worst do you mean most evil, most contrived, or least motivated?
>Jigsaw is a serial ki-ACK
The question here isn't, did jigsaw kill anyone, the question here today is did he unlawfully take anyone's life? Well that wasn't the case. In this great country, god bless America, we have good Samaritan laws. In general, they protect individuals who voluntarily offer assistance to those in need and are created to provide immunity against liability. jigsaw, only ever acted to help these people against themselves. As I've pointed out, he cannot be held liable for any and all circumstances, in this case, they could've just said, the jig is up, yet they chose not to.
Additionally, it's worth noting that "John Kramer," better known as Jigsaw, identifies as a separate sovereign entity, placing him beyond the scope of U.S. jurisdiction.
wait this is from the saw movies?
every time i see i think its the bad guy from arnold swarzeneggers last action hero
He's the shittiest villain in a horror franchise but his motivation is so moronic, illogical and consistent that he's so fricking unlikeable. And that makes ne wonder if we come full circle to being a good villain.
Villains like Freddy are funny, Jason is kind of cool, Pinhead is interesting, they're all likeable. Does thT maje Jigsaw the best villain? I just genuinely do not know.
He got scammed into thinking he’d beat cancer and lost a lot of money in the process. Revenge became his coping mechanism.
Now technically speaking your honor, my client never actually killed anyone. When being pursued by the police, John Kramer merely fled down a path that happened to have a booby trap installed, to scare off intruders. Just to scare them, I hear you ask, with a shotgun? Yes!
The trap had a tripwire that activated the shotgun on the ceiling. When entering the... warehouse, shall we call it, one trips over the wire AFTER one has passed under the inert shotguns, meaning they will fire harmlessly, if loudly, behind the intruder, thus scaring them off.
The detective simply had the bad fortune of activating this trap from the wrong side.
>kidnapping is a federal crime
>literally leaves tapes admitting to this at the scene of every crime, and he set up his victims for a torture game
>multiple games that he tells someone to kill someone else (including that big one in public), meaning he did murder by proxy and also on tape
Even saul isn't that good.
It's not his message, it's his methods.
Like that one chick on social media who tried some fringe health thing, it worked and now insists it will work for EVERYONE!
I DID NOT HIT HER, oh hi mark