Is it anti-nuclear propaganda?
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Is it anti-nuclear propaganda?
Is it anti-nuclear propaganda?
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What struck me about this show is the way Soviet society was portrayed, the inability to see problems in front of their eyes, the incompetence at all levels, the disregard, etc seems exactly the same as the way our own society is currently functioning. East Palestine comes to mind.
That's what happens when you promote a man to a high office who's only real experience in life prior was being a shoe salesman.
>promote
Lmao
What would you call it? They would regularly stick lowly menial labor gays into positions of power.
Oh I thought you were talking about Stalin. Who obviously siezed power not promoted
His initial position of power he was just sort of given because the morons didn't realize how powerful it was.
Stalin went to a lot of trouble to infiltrate the bureaucracy with his men. So he was able to secure power after Lenin's death, even in the face of last-minute resistance from Lenin.
He did, but one of the main reasons he was able to is because he was given the position of general secretary, which people massively underestimated
Good observation. "General Secretary of the Communist Party" was not the prestigious position we know it as, until Stalin made it so.
Yes it is, which doesn't mean it's poorly made or that you can't enjoy it
It's propaganda by deliberately choosing to portray unproven or outright false events as factual
The whole thing claims to be an only slightly dramatised reteilling of true events, but it's not
Then at the end they imply outright lies (the "bridge of death", lyudmilla's stillbirth etc.)
And so the great cause of nuclear energy is set back another thirty years, as usual
Never happened though they made that up, the entire scene and all of the characters involved
>he inability to see problems in front of their eyes, the incompetence at all levels, the disregard, etc seems exactly the same as the way our own society is currently functioning.
well yeah as Russia is the direct successor to the vatnik union
>noooo, Russia is only a successor to good things like going to space and not bad things like genocide and fricking up half of europe and chernobyl. In fact we'll call you homosexuals for fixing your countries while we roll around in shitty shit.
chernobyl is in ukraine anon, ukraine fricked up chernobyl
>What is the USSR?
An ex abomination of a country made of 21 republics and more than 100 ethnic minorities
>Mostly slavs
Come on, Black person.
I agree but look at the Balkans. They all have this weird obsession with killing each other over the most inconsequential shit that happened centuries ago.
>They all have this weird obsession with killing each other over the most inconsequential shit that happened centuries ago
That checks out with most ethnic groups on the fricking planet though.
Union of Republics, moron. And guess what's the name of republic where Chernobyl is, dumb dumb?
A Slav is a Slav, no matter how you shoot 'em.
Cool the USA also competed with kazakhstan during the space race
The sophomores have arrived
Must dictatorships are like that, Hitler thought they were winning because the generals told them
>muh Hitler
First off, that is not true. Second of all, democracies are equally as incompetent. For God's sake, the US is run by an alzheimer patient.
?
It's almost as if it's an inherent problem in any society. People will always keep their head down no matter how imminent SHTF is to keep their jobs.
People act as if the soviets were some alien fricking civilization but they were literally the same as anywhere else.
>What struck me about this show is the way Soviet society was portrayed, the inability to see problems in front of their eyes, the incompetence at all levels, the disregard, etc seems exactly the same as the way our own society is currently functioning.
Its exactly like that
t. actually live in a post-commie shithole
That’s all european societies
thats what happens when you surround yourself with yesmen. prison for insubordination helps too.
No, some people interpreted it that way but they are wrong. Just as the people who interpreted it as a commentary on trump's america are wrong including the creator.
Really fits in better with the current administration. Not that the Trump people were competent, but it's definitely worse than ever before right now.
It was very anti-russia.
can you take this shit leave
>ukrainians caused a nuclear accident in a nuclear plant built in ukraine during the time the soviet union had an ukrainian leader (Brezhnev)
>"DAMN THESE EVIL RUSKIES"
>Ukrainians and Russians are fundementally different from one another
Sounds like Uke cope to me.
The creators literally said they were making allegories to Trump. Especially the ending regarding fake news. They literally looked the audiences in the face and said it in the final scenes.
Homelander from The Boys is supposed to be a Trump allegory, too. But even that just ends up looking like another criticism of communism in action.
That's your point of view though. That doesn't change the objective reality that the creators are intentionally pushing woke agendas and trying to force Trump bad into all their creations
It shows more the incompetency of the soviet union than anything.
>that is not just ice ahead
>its graphite
If anything, its ant-RBK propaganda
COOING RODS WERE TIPPED WITH GRAPHITE
no its anti russian propaganda
What was the propaganda exactly?
That Russoids could ever be inept or negligent ever.
Russians can be super sensitive, fricking death of stalin was banned there. Like these things are criticizing the communist soviet union, you'd think the current government wouldn't care that much. But no they flip their shit if people ever imply russians fricked up. I wonder if they'd get angry over movies critical of like Ivan the Terrible.
headed by former KGB guy that wishes the Soviet Union could somehow be revived gets mad when Soviet Union is portrayed in a negative light
Really activatin' those almonds there..
>Russians can be super sensitive
It's funny that usa have 580 movies about ww2 and releasing new ones every single year and virtually 0 movies about vietnam.
That's... wrong though. If you had said Korea you'd still be wrong, but it would have been closer to the truth.
White Bird: A Wonder Story is the last AAA studio ww2 movie with nazis and shit.
Please refer to me to the last vietnam movie
Black person multiple vietnam movies are considered top-tier classics of american filmmaking. it doesn't matter that there isn't a new one out this year, nobody is hiding the existence of the vietnam war in american cinema, if anything filmmakers were so obsessed with it for the first couple of decades it quickly became a giant cliche. every american that cares about movies has seen apocalypse now and deer hunter and platoon and fmj and so on. what the frick kind of zoomer moron do you have to be to not know what apocalypse now is
Bro
I don't need 30 paragraphs of how you are going to adress the argument
Just do it
Just name the last one
Call of Duty, Battlefield: Vietnam
>muh films
lmao okay gramps
You can't name the last one that's fine
That's kinda the point
I can though.
I'm sure no american can name apocalypse now and full metal jacket, absolutely
>i know i'm wrong but i'm going to invent inane qualifiers like "only films made in 2023 with 100+mil budgets" to prolong the argument
nope, you're moronic and you exist to waste people's time. you're not getting any more of mine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vietnam_War_films
Bruh there are a million fricking Vietnam movies to the point that there is an entire filmmaking cliche around using Fortunate Son in Vietnam movies.
How? It is based in a book from a russian woman that it isn't look as propaganda either
Is this worth watching? I have heard good things but been putting it off.
No but It's anti-men.
The fictional middle aged office lady had to come in and save the day by telling all those pesky male scientists what happened and what they need to do.
Despite what i just said - yes.
>The fictional middle aged office lady had to come in and save the day by telling all those pesky male scientists what happened and what they need to do.
Cinemaphile truly is a Groundhog Day experience, I've seen variations on that same post many times. I'd bet a crisp $100 bill it's the same anon every time.
>men do literally everything in the show, from being awful frick ups, to shrewd politicians and heroes who do all the hard work
>there are like two female characters, one of them is a faithful housewife that cries a lot, the other is a scientist that just tells the main scientist guy something he already knows
>anti-men
How do you even become this delusional?
This is actually true
Let's take the main female characters and look at how they're portrayed
First, Lyudmilla
>knows something is seriously wrong even after her husband, the professional firefighter, confidently says otherwise
because feminine intuitiion just KNOWS okay
he was mansplaining and he was wrong
>shown to enter the quarantine to see her husband, this is portrayed as her taking on great risk to herself out of love
reality is the exact opposite - she wasn't allowed near him because his immune system was ruined and he was in danger of any bacterial infection she might give him
it is not impossible that she actually killed him, but instead they pretend that radiation poisoning is contagious (!!!) and that the firefighters had no chance (dyatlov died of old age decades later btw)
>various other scenes about how sad she is, poor dear she's the true victim
Next, the female doctor in the chernobyl hospital
>JUST KNOWS something is seriously wrong, immediately begins planning for radiation casualties
>asks if they have iodine tablets, STUPID MALE doctor immediately scoffs and mansplains her away
>turns out she was right all along and she then takes charge of the response, including directing the nurses to pile the radioactive clothing in the cellar
>meanwhile get a few good shots of the fat male doctor dehumanising the women in the maternity ward for good measure
1/2
You're wrong about Lyudmilla and it's all taken from her account of things. She did lie about not being pregnant to get in and see him and likely killed her baby in the process. The only problem with her portrayal was having Emily Watson acting like the baby was a radiation sponge and saved Lyudmilla's life when in reality this is just a grieving mother's theory. She had another kid later who was also fricked up as a result of his mother's genetic damage.
2/2
Finally, Khomyuk
>entirely fictional composite character
>female justified as "there were some female scientists in soviet academia at the time"
>reality is virtually or exactly all responding scientists were male
>real reason is to have an important woman character
>character introduced sleeping at her desk (she's so smart and such a hard worker!) then JUST KNOWing something was wrong as usual, then a little detective work and immediately figures out exactly what has happened and where
>talks to another woman in academia in code, this never happened, represents female solidarity and secrets against male oppression
>goes to the arrogant male senior officer, who it is claimed used to "work in a shoe factory" (blue collar men are inferior) and who disregards all of her brilliant concerns
>goes to the checkpoint and blags her way through, okay sure
>arrives at the command center and immediately reveals a hidden crisis that the men in charge didn't see, despite having zero knowledge of events and purely assuming from the outside
>fricks off to investigate the events, which often gives off an air of a superior woman dealing with petulant little boys but is mostly fine
>returns purely to browbeat the REAL male characters about "doing the right thing, no matter the cost" despite being a FICTIONAL female character, which smacks of almost unfathomable arrogance on the parts of the writers
>Take your own message from a piece of media
>Get mad at your own thoughts and blame it on the thing you watched
You projected that because it's what you know is true but can't accept.
It's anti Soviet or maybe even anti government as a whole
It's a descent fan-fiction
sex
maximum sex
She wasn't that intrusive and didn't get in the way of the fun politics or the bromance between the guys but it was obvious she was practically mandated by netflix. In the commentary, Mazin said she was there to condence other soviet scientists in one person but they could've just made up a bunch of one-line characters to do her stuff and it would've been literally been the same.
So do I need to have watched Descent to enjoy it? Is it a film or tv?
she didnt bother, at the end you only care for Legasov and shcherbina in the best bromance in a tv show.
it's anti commie propaganda
It just shows that you can't be stupid around a nuclear reactor or you will frick it up for everyone.
No, it shows that commies were too stupid to boil water
IT'S CHORNOBYL, YOU BIGOT
the fictional all knowing perfect scientist woman was propaganda
Its a documentary on the c*mmieshit system.
Yes.
An Orthodox priest named Fr. Savvas Ageioritis did an exorcism on someone who became possessed by a demon after getting the covid "vaccine". The demon confessed that the "vaccine" was made in a Masonic ritual and it has demons inside it.
>be cuckrainan
>try to destroy europe
>We're separating Soviet Ukraine from Russia now
What is this dipshit cope? Is it just because of the current shit and bullet flinging?
Used to be you fricks didn't consider Russians to be "white" or anything more than subhuman.
The priest deduced that demons were able to enter the vaccinated people because the vaccine uses the cells of aborted babies, which is a satanic ritual that acts as a doorway for the demons to enter.
You actually believe this shit, don't you?
I will never get the so-called "vaccine".
I literally don't care what you do or don't do. COVID has been over for quite a while now. Get over it.
You must repent and ask forgiveness for getting the "vaccine".
Russians cant boil water
Saint Paisios prophecied the covid "vaccine" many decades ago. He said that it will be a forerunner to the mark of the beast.
Saint Tsar Nicholas II is more well liked in Russia today than both Lenin and Stalin.
Lenin and Stalin probably managed to kill Russians in their short time than the monarchy did in hundreds of years, and it's not like the monarchists weren't trying.
>it's not like the monarchists weren't trying
Bolshevik lies
Sure is an awful lot of Russgay cope going on ITT right now
After the Chernobyl incident, it was discovered that the Orthodox church in the area was free of dangerous radioactivity, even though the surrounding area was full of dangerous radiation.
This isn't the thread for this stuff. This is a thread about a tv show.
dont you have a landmine to dive onto
Orthodox Christianity is as backwards as any version of Islam.
It is ironic when you papalists say this because the theology of Islam is actually much closer to Thomistic Roman Catholic theology.
Orthodox Christian theology has the essence/energy distinction.
>Automatically assumes that I'm a Cathlocultist
Absolutely embarrassing.
Look how angry these people get at the truth.
It was. There's a lot of wildlife there, and radiation levels are lower than in average Ukrainian city (especially now, lol).
The theory of evolution is a Masonic deception. Many Orthodox fathers have said this.
oh boy who pinged the schizo
What is with the Ortho schizo all of a sudden?
Russia shills turned into devout Russian orthodox christians as a form of cope
>schizo
Classic Judeo-Marxist tactics on display here.
We can't refute him, so we'll classify him as mentally ill.
>can't refute schizo statements
>prove that some exorcism didn't happen in a remote shithole
of course we can't champ, some schizo slav made it up after having no pussy for 50 years. As always, the person making an outlandish claim (demons in vaccines) must back it up with evidence, other credible testimony or expert opinion. Is this view shared by the wider Orthodox community? Have these exorcism been done in controlled experiments / on non-believers? Because between "hyper religious old man hears voices" and "the dead babies in the vaccines allow demons to possess you", the first seems much more likely.
Many in the Orthodox church are against the "vaccine". This isn't just one priest.
being against the vaccine is a moral statement (something is bad), saying there are demons in the vaccine that can be exorcised is a factual statement (something is true). You can hold moral positions for any number of reasons with little basis in actual fact. I don't care if the orthodox church is "based", I want the schizo to stop shitposting worthless hearsay or at least make reasonable arguments.
I've literally NEVER seen this much posted about Orthodox Christianity ever. You guys are nigh nonexistent as far as the greater Christian populace is concerned.
It was at the height of fraying trust in institutions and post-truth Trump bullshit. That's what its against
No, it just showed the true nature of crooked governments
Why is the orthodox church filled with absolute looneys?
Only the Russian one
Its bare a church anyway, 90% of their "priests" are ex KGB agents
It is not just Russians who are against the "vaccine". Even in the Greek church there are many who warned against it. And the Greek church is generally the most liberalized and "normie" of the Orthodox by far.
The truth seems crazy to those who are spiritually blind and brainwashed by globalist lies.
>Why are monastic orders full of sexless old shut-in coots full of nutjobs?
We may never know.
You are thinking of cucktolics, orthodox priests are allowed to marry and have kids
Priests can be married. Monks and bishops can't.
nuclear energy is definitely more green than coal and whatnot
>this moronic thread
I miss /RBMK/
Well since the Ukraine war started Russia has joined the list of nations whose people get super butthurt if you don’t suck their wieners 24/7.
Right up there with China, India, Brazil and The United States. So any thread even remotely related to Russia id bound to be filled with booty blasted snow Black folk kvetching copes and whataboutsms.
It never even occurred to me that this was in any way an anti-nuclear message until a cringe Green Party voter friend of mine was surprised I was in favour of nuclear power and said, "How can you have watched chernobyl and still be in favour of that?"
Then some other idiot I know said the entire show was actually a metaphor for the Trump administration.
It's impossible to find friends in Canada who aren't completely mindraped by propaganda.
it doesn't warn against nuclear energy (in fact at the end says it's based), but rather about systems of command (up to and including government) where nobody can question orders or challenge their superiors
>Is it anti-nuclear propaganda?
effectively, yes, although it might have been unintentional. notice how it has this big hard-on for smart scientists that care about the truth while the dumb bureaucrats are covering their asses etc etc, but then when it comes to actually portraying the results of radiation exposure they ignore real science and invent incredibly exaggerated fake shit about people melting, hugs being dangerous and so on. they also repeat myths like "everyone on that bridge dropped dead."
so the actual "message," ie the thing they bend reality to beat you over the head with, is not anything about science or bureaucracy, it's that the danger of radiation is actually 100x worse than science claims. it might be just because they're dumb entertainment peddlers trying to make it more exciting as a horror series, but they effectively make it an anti-nuclear show by perpetuating these myths and extreme exaggerations.
It literally showed that the entire thing could have been prevented if the soviets weren't so mindbroken on being moronic with pleasing the State.