Is it possible for a show to go on long enough to avoid the characters getting Flanderized?
I can't think of a single show that lasted more than five seasons like this.
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Community, only happened to Britta, if anything the Dean un-flanderized. But that's just five seasons. I think it's hard to think of any long shows that are good in the first place, let alone avoided the classic long show staples.
>Community
Chang
Chang becomes a new stereotype every season, but I take your point. Jeff, Abed, Annie, the Dean, Shirley all avoided flanderization though.
just because I don't have anywhere to say it: Chang-Shirley was the worst thing that happened to the show
Troy went from being a popular, somewhat dimwitted jock to a barely functioning autistic manchild.
troy and abed were flanderized hard
Community didn't even last a season before it happened
Seinfeld only got good when George and Kramer became flanderized. George became a lying cheap, petty butthole we love and Kramer became a wackjob
I agree with this. I really enjoy later seinfeld, like season 5-8.
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Look at Season 1, then look how he changes between season 2 and 7 (not much to be fair), the season 8 onwards, he becomes a caricature of himself
I honestly think the later seasons are easier to rewatch, but I think it's more him just leaning into being really old now
Which is ironic becuase he was originally designed to be a charicature of himself
then he became a caricature of a caricature
old people are set in their ways and only become more misaligned with the world so it at least makes sense
the world is misaligned with us, not the other way around.
He peaked in s2.
None of the characters were Flanderized in Seinfeld.
I feel like Kramer was the most Flanderized of the four, but not that much.
They turned into extremely narcissistic sociopaths. Big difference between first seasons and the last ones.
cool it with the antisemitism
All of them get flanderized, particularly Kramer and Elaine. Kramer goes from a weird and sort of hip dude to a magical moron. Elaine becomes a nihilistic, smarmy misandrist.
>Elaine becomes a nihilistic, smarmy misandrist.
Eh I think that's just a thing israeli women go through
Elaine's a shiksa
Unfortunately it seems to be the trajectory of most women in my age group.
It did eventually succumb to the normal rot but for a good period of time American Dad did the reverse of it, starting out with a bunch of basically pre-flanderized satire puppets before developing them out in later seasons as actually entertaining characters.
I think American Dad had a late peak, I still think the move to TBS yielded the best material. But last season was very mediocre.
When it first came out I thought it was absolute shit but it grew on me and really found its groove after a few seasons.
There's only so many original ideas you can have before you need to "stretch" what the characters do. And if you don't stretch the characters, you're just jumping the shark instead. I think it's kinda inevitable.
Goku 🙁
Did he, in dragon ball he spared Piccolo Jr because he wanted to fight him again. He was always moron that loved fighting above everything
Goku never was really flanderized because he never had that much of a character to begin with. If anything I think he grew a tiny bit, judging by his speech before killing buu
Venture Bros.
Family Guy is the only example I can think of. They got flanderized then somehow unflanderized. The new episodes are an entirely different show from the first and middle seasons.
No.
Even characters that break the mold or defy the usual tropes start to get flanderized eventually
Pic related for example has already started to slowly turn 'moron dad' who gets the shit kicked out of him and it only took 3 seasons.
It always happens. Look at TBBT, first two seasons had almost intelligent jokes and situations before it devolved into "The Wacky Horny Nerds Show".
>TBBT
literally kys