Is it worth getting into Star Trek in 2023? I'd want to watch pretty much all the major stuff from the beginning
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Is it worth getting into Star Trek in 2023? I'd want to watch pretty much all the major stuff from the beginning
Yes.
Start from TNG season 2.
It's episodic so you can start almost anywhere.
Stay away from the new shit, and some anons go crazy for the old shit but I can't stomach it.
You guys don't seem to recommend the TOS, is it because it's too campy today? I feel like I'd be able to handle it
TOS and TNG and the whole series to a degree are so episodic it doesn't matter where you start, TOS is pretty dated but Kirk, Spock and McCoy are a classic trio. The third season of TOS and the first of TNG are full of stinkers. The first season of DS9 is a little shaky (DS9 actually has a plot, though, so you probably want to watch the whole thing). Enterprise is nice to watch once you're familiar with everything else. The original series movies 2, 3, 4, and 6 are good. 1 is slow and boring but if you like plodding sci-fi give it a watch. 5 is an embarrassment to the human race, might be good for a laugh. All the TNG movies suck. Voyager and nu-trek are complete crap as well.
Voy is great. It’s a campy fun filled romp through the delta quadrant and I’ll not have you speak ill of it
Voyager is like TNG (despite taking place on a ship one tenth the size stranded on the opposite side of the galaxy) with a shitty boring cast and like a third of the episodes can be summed up as "the gang finds a way to get home if only they- lol psych! fooled you again for the 37th time!" It did nothing with its premise but ruin the borg
> It did nothing with its premise but ruin the borg
No, that was that TNG movie. Annika’s backstory was kino despite having moronic parents
I meant how the borg went from a horrifying threat that nearly destroys the federation and decimates the fleet with one attack, to one of the standard villains of the week that a tiny, stranded scout ship fights off regularly
With the help of a single drone who reluctantly rediscovers her humanity then embraces it. It’s a feel good story for the ages, I’m sorry you were filtered by it
Even TNG managed to ruin the Borg more and more every time they showed up. You cant both explore villains AND maintain the mystery behind them with villains like the Borg. They were meant to be uknowable and "alien" in the most literal sense. Like the reapers in Mass Effect.
>They were meant to be uknowable and "alien" in the most literal sense. Like the reapers in Mass Effect.
I dunno, I never really got those cosmic horror vibes from them. They were scary because they were extremely ruthless machines, and also centuries ahead of everyone else with their technology so they were stupidly powerful. What they were was always pretty obvious and straightforward.
The whole Locutus plot was peak Borg but before that they were an unknown decentralised larger than life threat
Not cosmic horror, but they were still not able to really reason or communicate with them. They were singularly driven alien machines. Thats the point. They humanized them way more and that ruined them. I still loved Hugh and the Locutus arc but the illusion was broken
Why did the borg only assimilate humans? And how did they assimilate humans anyway if they came from a quadrant that humans had yet to ever explore?sg8n2
same reason every planet looks mostly like earth, or in the case of SG-1 they look like Canada. Becuase, the show is made by humans on earth who are limited by scope of and budget for filming.
They assimilated almost everyone that crossed their path, including the Medusans. DY-100 ships?, IDK.
They even opened up fluidic space for some fresh meat
Boy, that was a FAFO for the ages.
They peaked in BOBW and after that there was little more to do with them other than to "reinvent" them and water them down with every consequent appearance. They might fit in a "zombie apocalypse in space" type edgy setting, but that setting wasn't TNG.
BOBW was peak Borg but Scorpion reached that peak again.
Voyager becomes really good once they realise they're out of ideas and make every other episode about the doctor
I’d add that TOS is a hard sell simply because it’s a show from the 60s, and the format, pacing, and general presentation concepts of shows from that time can be off putting, regardless of the theme or content itself.
Voyager will always be an incredible series for me for one simple reason - it is a show focusing on one of the ships that causes the conflict of the week in an Enterprise focused show. Think about it -
>Crew is dysfunctional
>Captain is a war criminal
>Ship is hopelessly lost
>Alliances are struck up against the Federation's interest
>Prime Directive is toilet paper
Every other Star Trek series focused on the ideal of the perfect ship with the optimal crew trying to do the right thing by the Federation's principles. Voyager is a show about the other 98% of Starfleet. Absolute work of art, "Butcher" Janeway is the most accurate portrayal of a Starfleet officer to ever get attention. 11/10 show for anyone who doesn't swallow the "ideal society" propaganda.
Well put
>the "ideal society" propaganda
found the troony/future borg
>Root Beer
DS9 absolutely explores the "Federation isnt perfect as it would have you believe" idea pretty well, especially as seen from the viewpoint of outsiders. I guess that anon missed that while jerking off to Voyager on repeat.
>explores the "Federation isnt perfect as it would have you believe" idea pretty well
Indeed!
It puts it to the TEST and does a damn fine job too!
Eventually even showing that the most selfish Ferrengi and unscrupulous Spoonheads figure out it's culturally superior, resenting it.
I was the anon who made the original Voyager Shill post, I will say that DS9 does it very well as well. I just think that if people look at DS9 and think about what they like about it, they will see a lot of that in Voyager too.
Also, it always pisses off trekkies to remind them that the female captain many of them were clamouring for immediately gets fricking lost, and then becomes the biggest monster to run a main series ship. As someone who enjoys Star Trek, anything that pisses off trekkies is at least slightly fun.
My dad's favorite is Voyager, but I haven't seen it yet. His reasoning was:
>It might be ridiculous, at times, but it's never boring
But my favorite parts from Star Trek are the moral dilemmas. Are they still present in Voyager?
Yes but they’re typically flanderized or ham-fisted attempts. I’d still recommend it: your dad was on the money
Tuvix is the only moral question I can think of. Basically neelix and tuvak get fused in a transporter accident making a new, unique being. Then they have to figure out if it’s right to leave him like that or reverse the process.
Ultimately, I agree with the crew to separate them, because the real justification they had was
>Tuvok is a wise, loyal, wonderful man
>Neelix is a P.O.S. annoying sleaze
They really did it for Tuvok's (and his friends and family) sake because, "it's not good for Tuvok and Neelix can just be forgotten, alone."
They covered euthanasia with Q, the definition of sentience with holograms, that thing with the psychic monument that made them relive a war and talk all funny, that prisoner that was cured of his psychosis and if his previous condition made him not responsible for his crimes, all just off the top of my head. A lot of it was rehashing topics that had been covered better in previous series, but it ain’t Shakespeare yo
>moral dilemmas. Are they still present in Voyager?
Yes. Seven is mentally moronic and Kim has to refrain from fricking her
My sister looks like 7 of 9.
>5 is an embarrassment to the human race
That was true when it came out, but if only those people of the past knew how far things would fall.
5 is a masterpiece by today's standards. It's a good movie and a good Star Trek movie.
also a large part of its issues come from studio meddling, rather than the story itsellf
>the TNG movies suck
First Contact is the best Star Trek film.
No, II, IV and VI are still better than your zombie movie.
Voy is better than any of the nu-trek vomit that kurtzman is releasing. I remember thinking voy was the worse trek until JJ and kurtzman started making trek
>I remember thinking
I doubt that
If you feel like you could handle it, then you could handle it. Watch TOS and TNG all the way through, don't skip an episode. There's no point in following homosexual Reddit lists for Star Trek; if you don't appreciate its camp and its low points, you'll never really appreciate it at all. Feel free to stop after TNG despite what anyone here will tell you because it gets really fricking gay and boring after that.
You'll tell a man to watch spock's brain and tng season 1 but skip DS9 and Enterprise?
Yes. DS9 is the most overrated Trek on this board. It's dark, ugly, has nothing new to say and is obsessed with its own plot to the detriment of everything else.
>has nothing new to say
good people fight the bad people
Gaul Dukat did nothing wrong
>DS9 is the most overrated Trek
This fricking DS9 hater again.
You know you're just as deranged as the fricking Lodegays, right?
He's right. DS9 sucks ass. TNG is the last good Trek.
and here comes the lodegays
what's a lodegay?
>bringing up loads and homosexuals out of nowhere
Avery Brooks can't act.
I think his mentally unhinged hammy acting adds a lot to the character of a starfleet captain becoming increasingly convinced he's a magical prophet.
Ds9 is literally a poor rip off of b5 but it's still ok. I didn't realise that Vulcan bird in enterprise had fake breasts, that was a hard one to take.
I have fond memories of watching the time travel episodes of Enterprise as a kid.
However, I think T'Misc started a lot of millennial boys and teens down the path of bimbo fetishism
This. It's not like Naruto where you're wasting days of your life. If you don't like some episodes oh well it's a couple hours.
they're gays, just watch all of TOS, the TOS movies, TNG and DS9. Maybe voyager if you need more.
The biggest hurdle for newbies to TOS is it was made before the standard A plot/B plot format for episode writing, so you stick with a single plot for an entire hour runtime. It can be a little taxing to an ADD addled modern brain.
TOS is literally Star Trek for chads.
Brads can't get past the the hokey effects and (then) contemporary story elements though, so that's why it isn't recommended.
TOS is the only Real star trek. Everything after it is some unnecessary attempt to modernize it.
TOS movies are the victory lap.
>Wisdom and Truth
Don’t listen to TNG gays, watch TOS, then the 1-6 TOS movies, after that give a go for TNG, but realize that star trek already peaked with TOS movies and it’s all downhill from here
I watched TOS after TNG, and I liked it too. Shatner is a good actor.
More like the fact that TNG, DS9 and VOY are like a really good trio that sort of interconnect.
TOS isnt bad at all but its very separate from the rest of the continuity and universe. The Klingons dont even look Klingon
There's like a century between TOS and every other show to explain why things are so different and there's a lot of continuity errors in Star Trek in general, even within the shows itself. Remember when headaches didn't exist anymore in TNG?
>continuity errors
dont for get the French man, Jean-luc Picard speaking with a British accent and constantly drinking English tea
Yeah who cares though, and why the frick can't frenchmen love British tea? He talks about his vineyards and sings French nursery rhymes and shit often enough.
It would make a lot of sense anyway for most people in the future to speak flawless English.
I wasnt shitting on it, and yea it doesnt really matter. Its just kindof strange that once they cast Stewart they didnt swap the character over to just being British. They only remember he is supposed to be French every once in a while. Its not bad, but its kindof an oddity. That being said, watching Patrick Stewart act circles around the others, especially at first, is hilarious.
TNG and DS9 had a great ideological duality, they shared many characters and above all races and cultures which made everything feel very lived in and real. Those two are peak Trek and since youre not required to start with TOS, you should do TNG and DS9 first. Simple as
TNG and DS9 have a more rigid, developed universe but TOS is still what set up a lot of that and it is still part of that same continuity. You are not required to fricking wat h anything but I am fricking SICK and TIRED of gays like you nonchalantly sweeping an iconic show full of peak Trek episodes aside like it doesn't matter and isn't really part of the setting. It is the most important part of the IP that sets everything up and it's also easily one of the best parts of it. You can skip it, you can ignore it, you can run from it, but you'll still be a fricking homosexual for not watching it.
>AI shit
So?
what indeed
You’re beaten. Kneel down b***h.
>I am fricking SICK and TIRED of gays like you nonchalantly sweeping an iconic show full of peak Trek episodes aside like it doesn't matter
Who are you quoting?
If you really want to start with the original cast start with TOS movies, they’ve held up better than the show. The TOS episodes will seriously feel two hours long. I say this as a late 30s boomer with no type of attention disorders. I’m a huge Star Trek fan and have watched all of TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT multiple times.
The references from TOS episodes have been so ubiquitous in pop culture for 40 years that you’re not going to really miss anything.
>The TOS episodes will seriously feel two hours long. I say this as a late 30s boomer with no type of attention disorders.
I'm a zoomer with diagnosed attention disorders and I love TOS and to me it's actually pretty well paced and it's all the later shows that feel twice as slow.
He should watch them for sure, if he enjoys it. I’m just not sure season 1 episode 1 of TOS is the best point.
For me it's what REALLY sucked me in because it's so good and so much fun, and it starts out really strong too unlike the other shows that only really get interesting later on. Perchance.
Outside of not knowing the callbacks to TOS stuff, the TOS movies are a pretty good place to start. You can get a real solid understanding of the relationships and characters without committing to full tv seasons.
I feel like those movies are kind of built around already having seen the show though. They make a pretty big deal out of these characters and especially Kirk being a lot older now and being past their prime, and there's a lot of references to the show. Wrath of Khan is not just a sequel to the first movie, it's a sequel to the episode Space Seed as well.
If you handle the occasional camp (and not all of it is campy) it's honestly better than TNG. TNG is so humorless it gets boring.
>TNG is so humorless it gets boring.
>You are a droid and I'm annoyed
>You are a droid and I'm annoyed
It elicited a smirk, it's not a good joke but it's a dad joke.
I fricking love that Guinan treats Data as if it's unusual for him to not laugh at it when any sane, genuine human being would just have given her the fluoride stare after hearing that stupid, unfunny fricking joke.
Guinan: What if Morgan Freeman, but Fozzie Bear
>tng
>humorless
Are you watching the same series as I am?
Yes, it's very campy.
Also TNG really sets the standard for most of Star Trek.
TOS isn't exactly connected to the main Star Trek universe proper. It shares some similarities and lore but generally it was still very young and campy at the time, with very little focus on universe development. Not saying TOS isn't worth watching, it is, but if you want to jump into what people think of when they think Star Trek your best bet would be to start with the TOS movies. It introduces the iconic main cast without having to bog you down with 1960s campiness.
Or you can go straight for it and jump into TOS, you'll still have fun. Just understand you're not really experiencing the Star Trek "universe," just Star Trek the tv series. The lore doesn't really start until the TOS movies/TNG (season 2).
The show people refer to as "TOS" is literally Star Trek. It is the source from which all the other shows are derived and the standard they are judged against.
All Star Trek shows are a mixed bag. One brilliant episode will often be followed by one of the absolute worst episodes. Star Trek season 1 is the best the series ever got from a consistency standpoint.
Star Trek TOS is not campy. It becomes a low budget show midway through season 2, and by season 3 behind the scenes turmoil led to laziness. They never went out of their way to make something stupid on purpose because they knew some people would get the joke. There are numerous eg meme Shatner performances that will make you lol, but they're powerful anyway because he was really trying and acting his ass off.
>not campy
I dunno to what extent it was intended to be campy but they sure as hell didn't give a frick about avoiding it and there's a couple of episodes that are intentionally silly and funny like the one where Kirk lands on a planet where literally everyone is a stereotypical prohibition era gangster.
I’m just saying that by it’s nature and the state of special effects at the time it’s inevitably going to come off as campy to modern sensibilities. That’s what campy is, after all
>the ship is shaking, everyone flail about
Campy is the wrong word, pretend I said silly. It was never going out of its way to avoid being silly.
Fair enough anon, I think we can all be frens
Jesus Christ Nana Visitor was dangerously cute.
Bros why can't Bajoran women be real (frick the men though, boring homosexuals).
She’s been making my pants fit funny for a very long time now
Everyone knows you can’t get an erection so what are you saying geezer? She makes your diaper fill?
N.no
Is she in anything aside from DS9 that's worth watching?
I doubt it. I do vaguely remember her from Matlock and weird bit parts in random 80s shows but DS9 was her big break
That Friday the 13th remake.
Disappointing feet.
Why are there four feet?
four feet
one human
one statue
But a human only has two feet. TWO FEET!
Foot gays.
Edosian footgays have 50% more fun.
The gangster planet, tribbles, tomorrow is yesterday etc are all straight up comedy eps.
The skip shaking, bad acting, weird 60s production style are high camp because they don't know how funny they're being. Batman 66 is campy -- intentionally self serious to the point of absurdity, played straight with a wink to the audience.
my recommendation is give TOS a try. visually it is very dated, but the characters are interesting and the story is good.
i tried tng too, but first season is just too bad so i watched only the top rated episodes from various seasons. it is a very comfy show. it makes you feel like you are on that massive, pretty much invincible ship and witnessing all kind of things. i dont like most of the actors tho. they are acting emotionless and like there is somebody behind the camera pointing a gun to them. weirldy, most of them act like a robot better than data who is supposed to be a robot. i especially dislike the picard so i just dropped it, because he is pretty much a vital part to every episode
TOS is the best. I was born in 99 and I don't understand all the gays here saying it didn't age well or some shit.
start with TNG and start from season one
Don't be afraid to jump around and skip the occasional bad episode or season or series.
I'm neither of those anons, but TNG season one can be safely skipped.
The first episode is utter kino people need to stop saying this
every episode in season 1 is great
the only people who think seasons 1 and 2 of tng are bad are people who watched tos and recognize the script recycling
On this board I’m liable to think that it’s more that they think it’s bad because RLM told them it’s bad.
they didn't even come up with that maymay
I think it has a lot more to do with the very high proportion of awkward, terrible episodes.
Yes that would probably be why RLM hates season 1, but I firmly believe the monkeys who post on here wouldn’t know and just regurgitate what funny internet man tells them to
you know you don't have to namedrop them like anyone cares, right? or think about them at all?
I believe this is what the kids mean when they say someone lives rent free in your head
>obsess over e-celeb
>think rest of board loves said e-celeb
>grow to hate e-celeb and shoehorn how much you hate them into every conversation
Meanwhile I don't have the first clue who or what you're talking about.
Haters don't have self-awareness.
The Big Goodbye, 11001001, Elementary, Dear Data, The Measure of a Man, The Royale, Samaritan Snare and Peak Performance. Are first and second season 'sodes. And that's practically my TNG top ten right there.
Yeah, but then there's.. practically every other one of the 50ish episodes in those 2 seasons.
so fricking what
they're still peak Trek core
and no matter how cheesy, you get to spend an hour in a better place than the currentday goyslop SHIT that wants to disease your fricking SOUL
I really liked Season One and Two, but I haven't seen past that for TNG. I will say that I remember a terrible fricking episode, in Season 1, I believe, where it ends with them saying that sentient rocks that glow special colors are far beyond our reasoning, and we could learn from them. Fricking stupid as hell.
>only watching season 1 and 2 of TNG
At the time, I was borrowing my dad's DVD set, but he didn't want me taking it all at once. And, well, I realize it's silly, but when I saw the final episode of season 2 was a fricking clipshow, I got so annoyed, I put the show on the backburner lol
Then the rocks tell them to frick off for 100,000 years
>Start from TNG season 2.
ignore this bullshit advice
Season 1 is an experience on itself you don't want to miss and it establishes too many lore points you cannot skip.
Especially if it's your starting point into Trek.
nuTrek is everything AFTER Enterprise, starting with J.J.Abrams' Movies and should be avoided at all cost.
It actively undermines and destroys anything that's good and interesting about Trek.
As for viewing order, pic related.
But I'd actually consider watching TOS the last and continue with the Trek movies after that.
Star with TOS season 1
Pleb.
homosexual start with the 1st episode of TOS or die in a homosexual ditch
It baffles me beyond belief that there are people on here who genuinely believe and advocate anything other than broadcast order. What the frick is wrong with all of you? You disgust me.
How does one differentiate a homosexual ditch from a regular one?
>I’m sorry sir, you cannot die here. This is clearly a heterosexual ditch, and you are very much a homosexual.
the ditch is homosexual because it's designated for being occupied by homosexuals like OP
>welcome to our German home
>this is our Italian villa
>get in ze homosexual ditch
TNG season 1 is underrated because of how self contained the episodes were. Plenty of season 1 was great tier even if it was stuck between some bad episodes, season 2 & 3 had large blocks of episodes that sucked and nobody is telling people to skip those seasons.
TNG Season one is shaky in many objective ways but still worth watching if you're interested in the series. There are characters and plot points introduced during those seasons that come back later on.
I would try starting with TOS if possible. It's hokey at times but also great at getting the feel of a exploration and adventure. TOS also came out during an era of intense fascination with space travel and there's a soul to it.
Movies
1 - Underrated, pretty good 8/10
2 - Top quality 10/10
3 - Merely decent, 6/10, but don't skip if you want to follow the ongoing storyline of the movies.
4 - The comedy normalgay one. 9/10
5 - Not bad but skippable. 6/10
6 - Pretty good send-off for the original cast. 8/10
Scores are relative to Star Trek in general.
no you can't start anywhere and you're weak if you do
Season 1 might be shitty but if you watch the show, just start with episode 1, what the frick is wrong with you people.
Watching Gene´s mental decline on screen is really painfull.
Don't listen to this gay, S1 is good and required to learn about Q.
redlettermedia was a mistake
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i don't care about your twitter-esque post you Black person
die homosexual
no u
>obsess over e-celeb
>think rest of board loves said e-celeb
>shoehorn them into every conversation
Meanwhile I get annoyed by your shilling and wage Cinemaphile jihad on your fren simulator.
Spiner confirmed Shatner doesn't run his twitter account
Spiner doesn't know shit. Oh yeah Shatner just lets some random guy ruin his public image because uh um err
He knows more than some e-celeb obsessed troony like you
Yeah and I'm sure this mysterious Shatner impersonator also shadow wrote an article under Shatner's name criticizing RLM. It's all a big PR stunt where Shatner gets flak in the media for non-PC opinions to further his career. He also posted Shatner's address on twitter without his permission one time as well yet still has his job. Believable.
The only thing Shatner does in person are inventing rap and riding horses. Everything else is curated and managed by his own team of stooges.
deranged schizoid obsessed with nobody e-celebs
If you really want to wage "Cinemaphile jihad" against some e-celeb you don't like, the best thing you could do would be to not mention them at all. This Youtuber that you're obsessed with isn't even on my radar, and you've done more to promote their brand than most shills.
I bet you're a big professional wrestling fan.
Yeah, just watch TNG and enjoy it. All of star trek is pretty great until you reach nu trek, then you can stop.
Watch TNG and just TNG
All of it is very, very good
Everything else is pozzed trash
>want to watch pretty much all the major stuff from the beginning
You have to watch in canonical order: ENT then DISCO then SNW then TOS then TNG then DS9 then VOY
if that was the sequence it had aired then it wouldn't have lasted a season.
Like every single media franchise, release order is the way to go. TNG is more autistic than TOS.
Start with TOS or the trio's most famous films before Star Trek.
Do this order:
Original Series movies
TNG
DS9
Extra/any order:
The Original Series
Voygear
TNG movies
Enterprise
2009
>is [thing] worth in [year]
Kys time obsessed weirdo.
Yes. In this day and age is important to remember what real kino is.
the answer is always, ALWAYS, release order, whatever the frick it is.
Imagine the first Star Wars installment you see being Episode 1. What would be the fricking point
>release order
>starts with the fourth movie
OP, never listen to the opinion of someone who tells you to start watching a TVs how from anything other than its first season. Starting with either TOS or TNG is personal choice, but skipping a season just to get to the good stuff quicker is a moronic advice.
Just start with TOS season 1. You will probably like it, but if you don't, then give it another shot with TNG season 1.
You had to go to ChatGPT to learn that?
TNG is the poster series for shows with a skippable season one, which is why GPT-4 responded as it did. My image, posted in response to someone who admonished against skipping season one, is meant to indicate disagreement.
You're an idiot.
I don't even care bros, she's cute af. Jurati is wife material and they turned her into a microchip. This is a direct attack on white men.
Shit waifu
My waifu would wreck yours in hand to hand combat
based and cain-pilled
That said I didn't like what they did with the character in Picard S3.
Rho came back? And who the frick is Cain?
They brought almost everybody fot the last season of memberritrek.
Cain is a butthurt lesbian that went full psycho when she found out her lover was a spy.
Battlestar Galactica 2003
Fun series. Frick the naysayers.
>awful, screeching, eyes-too-close-together, meh-at-best roastie
No thanks.
>Jurati is wife material
>af
frfr ong bruh ready up
Zoomer here who started "ironically" watching TOS only to find out it's actually pure uncut fricking kino and never recovered,
Just fricking begin with TOS. Start with the unaired pilot, I think it's the first ep on Netflix anyway. There are some major continuity issues with how Spock behaves but who cares, it's just such a great episode to hook you in. Those first two seasons of TOS are amazing and while 80's and 90's trek is great too, it is actually a lot slower and has a lot more soap opera moments and there are a lot of complete stinker episodes. Personally I think TNG is somewhat overrated even compared to the original show since its characters are mostly very weak aside from Picard, Data and Rho (even Worf is a bit mid).
>blinks emphatically
>watching TOS only to find out it's actually pure uncut fricking kino and never recovered,
Same experience. And the amount of beautiful women, wasn't expecting that at all.
The only one you need is Beverly Crusher.
This nerd beams into your universe and steals another waifu
Soji best nu trek babe
Spaceslop
too much advanced viewing advice in this thread.
you need to start by half watching random episodes while you do other stuff for 15 or 20 years. after you get a handle on that you can start watching TOS or TNG for real.
TOS is the good one
the ones after become pure autism
This is true but it's kino autism sometimes.
My god there's a lot of filler and trash and soap opera shit in TNG and DS9 though. Fricking hell. DS9 especially is BAD with this, it keeps wobbling between peak Star Trek and diseased liquid shit tier nonsense.
yes, but do whatever you want, i dont care.
I did it a couple years ago. Watched one episode before bed every day. TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, TOS
Took like 2-3 years, was a very nice and comfy ritual.
Honestly, if i was just watching it like an episodic show on the couch, I probably couldnt have handled the slow pace. But to fall asleep its great.
The original film series is TOS but better.
I'd say it's worth it, I recently got into it myself. Watched TOS, the movies, TNG, the movies, now I'm on DS9. However, no resident trekkie ever believed me when I said I did this. Coupled with the fact that they keep suggesting people to watch select episodes/skip entire seasons leads me to believe the only people who like the shows enough to discuss them don't actually like the shows that much. It's a weird fanbase, and perhaps indicative of the franchise intrinsic properties.
TOS has best camaraderie/adventure
TNG is max comfyness
DS9 is good-ish, despite itself. I mean, the show's called Star TREK, as in, you Trek through the Stars. Yet the imbeciles actually wrote them sitting on an ugly-looking space-station all the time. But it also has the most complex characterization in the series (so far).
I'd say the movies were the worst parts of my marathon. Still, watch everything and disregard anyone who advises you to skip things. Because remember, they didn't.
Star trek is garbage and trekkies are mentally ill battered wives coming back for more everytime
i see some people saying DS9 sucks and thats true
DS9 is a fun palate cleanser.
Only thing really interesting to me in DS9 is the Ferangi. He genuinely seems like a fun character, but I've only seen clips.
>7 season show with long story arcs
>form opinion based on clips
Jump into the plasma stream of the nearest warp nacelle
>that episode of tng thats just Black folk in space
>they're not humans
>they don't have any makeup or prosthetics or special clothes
>they're just space africans, including rape
it was written by a femoid with a rape fetish, she did the exact same plot for Stargate, Season 1 of that show as well.
lol with the Space Mongols who were more like Space Muslims
TOS still has the best girls.
Unquestionably
Well yes, torpedo boobs somehow ceased to exist after TOS and this is a crime against humanity
SNW Uhura is underrated
Wait, is new worlds a reboot? I thought it was more nu-alt universe shit like picard
It´s the same as STD, but for TOS. Again, even harder.
Agressively unattractive hair though.
yeah, it really doesn't suit her
Geordi's daughter is the cuter negress
Star Trek is the show that you're supposed to have running on the background while you do other things.
Thought that reality TV was for that.
TOS was scifi/horror camp. Everyone talks about Uhura's kiss with Kirk, but no one ever mentions the episode where her mind was totally destroyed and there was NO resolution at the end. She basically had to relearn how to walk and read, and her whole life from diary/log entries. She was a whole different person.
Think about it. For months, someone had to essentially wipe her FAT ass after she shit because she was basically a baby for weeks if not months. True Trek fans appreciate this.
>MCCOY: I thought you might like to know that Lieutenant Uhura is back to college level. She'll be back on the job within a week.
Wasn't she struggling to read at the end of the episode. Maybe college for blacks meant something different in 1960.
Anon, I …
Scotty also literally DIED in that episode, and was brought back to life later. He didn't give a frick.
TOS has camp production today but the way it handles is rarely camp.
If you think about TOS sets and camp as more of watching a filmed play than a TV show, it isnt as jarring.
I think of it as a throwback to 50s sci-fi with 60s dressing.
>Is it worth getting into Star Trek in 2023?
The "dated" old Star Trek is the best. Anything "new" (2023) is what isn't worth it.
The entirety of Star Trek is "episodic," so you do not need to "start" anywhere; they've written the show to be completely palatable if you just happen to watch any episode at any time. It's very reasonable and easy.
>I'd want to watch pretty much all the major stuff from the beginning
While there are "major" episodes for some Star Trek lore, considering its large number of episodes, you don't have to worry about that at all; starting from episode 1 of TOS will be as good as anywhere.
The movies are good, too (well, the first one "The Motion Picture" is... very 1970s so... uh, you can kinda pass on that one).
But, once you finish Voyager... just stop.
STD SNW PIC - alt universes
LD - parody cartoon
PRO - prime universe (tenative)
>PRO - prime universe (tenative)
Want to see how they stick the landing on that one. They are at what, 2-3 time paradoxes?
Post the trooned out trekkie gif.
Which one?
I watched maybe half of TOS and enjoyed it. Then netflix did their bs about not being able to share plans so I just never kept watching.
yes and no. Only the first TV series is good. All the follow up TV series and movie antics are just uncharming cash grabs.
TNG consistently had the most quality episodes, almost each and every standalone episode was a separate story except for a few 2 part episodes and season final cliffhangers. Old Trek has a "Best of Collection" Old Trek Movies are great also.
Watch the original series. it's campy af but good fun. Watch The Wrath Of Khan and the first JJ Abrams one. Don't bother with anything other than the aforementioned.
Everything else is utter crap.
moron
Search for Spock was ok
>Telling someone to watch any AbramsTrek.
>Watch The Wrath Of Khan and the first JJ Abrams one
Do not watch JJ Abrams/Kurtzman Trek.
As for the movies, watch Star Trek V for the real ending to the TOS era. It's pure kino.
Watch TOS, watch TNG. The women in TOS are gorgeous and the main three men have amazing banter with each other. People say to skip the first two seasons of TNG, but I say watch them cause you have nothing better to do and it makes you grow attached to the characters. There's only one episode I'd suggest skipping and it's a clip show in season 2
PIC and STD made me want to commit acts of violence. Should I give SNW a chance?
No. It´s just TOS redone for Beckys.
Speak English
Yeah it’s great
No. It's exactly like STD.
Yes, it's fun. Feels a bit like Stargate Sg1.
Hope this is bait, or else it´s the most blatant lie I´ve seen this month.
He’s not wrong
Absolutely, but the new stuff is absolute garbage that doesn’t even feel like Star Trek and the original series, though good for it’s time and I respect it a lot, is sort a rough watch imo.
My position is that TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise are all worth watching with some chunks of TNG and DS9 being the best.
People say to skip S1 of TNG but I think it’s worth it since it establishes all the characters and I still enjoy some of the episodes in there.
It’s just that early TNG feels a bit cheesy and the pilot almost directly feels like a DND campaign but I don’t hate it as much as some others do.
Stop at Enterprise
I will say I did find pic related tho (the pic not the film) and will be thoroughly inspecting it shortly. Very thoroughly
Cinemaphile star trek people:
>I hate all this rapid yappy zazzy millennial zoomer banter and long for the days when Trek was about PROFESSIONALS doing DISPASSIONATE SPACE EXPLORATION and not TALKING ABOUT FEELINGS like WOMEN
Also Cinemaphile Star Trek people
>AWOOOGA Nana Visitors AWOOOGA MOMMY RO LAREN for I must COOOOOOOOOM and then blame israeliteS AND WOMEN for cheapening the EXPLORATION and MORAL DILEMMAS after I COOOOOOM
okay buddy
Yes, we're true to Gene's vision for the series.
dispassionately explore deez nuts
>AWOOOGA Nana Visitors AWOOOGA MOMMY RO LAREN for I must COOOOOOOOOM
Yeah that shit was all me. Sorry.
>and then blame israeliteS AND WOMEN for cheapening the EXPLORATION and MORAL DILEMMAS after I COOOOOOM
This wasn't me, who the frick are you even quoting?
87th rule of acquisition: if you can’t beat ‘em, blame ‘em
>tfw all the Ferengi jackets are patterns you'd love to have on a shirt
Watch
TOS+movies
TNG+movies
DS9+docu
VOY+ENT
Call it a day
None mentioned TAS...if you watch TOS and like it I recommend watching TAS.The animation is bad but it's like a few bonus episodes of TOS
I just finished the pilot episode of Deep Space 9 and I'm totally hooked, so frick yeah it is, anon! GO FOR IT!
>Is it worth getting into Star Trek in 2023? I'd want to watch pretty much all the major stuff from the beginning
Worth is the magic word. What is it worth to you? Also don't watch it.
The answer is almost always production order. People that onions out and say skip TOS or skip TNG season 1 are moronic. End after Enterprise.
gtk thx
Captain Picard should have had more action-adventure-archaeology plots. Sometimes Star Trek is so obsessed with the future that they forget that wonder of the (alien) past.
The Original Series
>60s cheesy kino, for what it was.
The Animated Series
>If you really like more 60s/70s Star Trek lore, it's canon despite shitty animation
The Next Generation
>Comfy 80s/90s kino lore, Picard is your real dad.
Deep Space Nine
>Edgy 90s lore, fighting against totalitarianism. Hardcore themes.
Voyager
>More of the same, imo, in a ship, meeting aliens and cosmic stuff. hit/miss
Enterprise
>So much potential, dropping the ball, too bad.
Discovery
>Woke-trash, "Purple Klingons"...frick this show
Strange New Worlds
>Still woke-trash, but passable storytelling.
Lower Decks
>Throwbacks to early Trek shows, meant more for the 'Rick and Morty' crowd. decent, but wouldn't swear by it.
>forgot
Picard
>S1 'meh', S2 'trash', S3 'kino'....keep that in mind
>Picard is your real dad.
>Comfy 80s/90s kino lore
>Edgy 90s lore
I swear the Recession did something awful to Zoomers.
>I swear the Recession did something awful to Zoomers.
It's tough to have utopian sci-fi when there's a generation that has de facto lost social mobility. We Xers had an inkling shit was awry but we were too busy being cynical and snarky about it to fix it. Our bad. At least you got DSIX.
He not wrong. 1990's edge is a well known thing and man was DS9 edgy.
No it wasn't.
https://www.google.com/search?q=1990s+edgy
About 1,590,000 results (0.23 seconds)
and Sonic/Bart/whatever totally wasn't about his 'tude
I'm not going to be lectured by a child who's only understanding of the time period is from cherry picked media and a half-assed google search.
I was born in the 80's, frick yourself you lying autistic slime.
You and I have drastically different recollections of the 90s then, because I remember the post-Cold War idealism and later idealism of the Millenium.
At best you could argue goths were a thing, but they weren't very big until they became emo in the 2000s.
No. I, that first poster in this chain, countless articles about it and everyone else remember a big trend of the 1990's. Spawn. Bart Simpson. Skateboarding. Matrix. Trench coats. Tarantino. Fight Club. Attitude. Extreme sports. Radical. These are undeniable trends of the 1990's. You're just a mentally ill shitposter.
>Spawn
Good example.
>Bart Simpson
No. He was from the 80s and an overreaction by uptight fundies who missed The Waltons. Inoffensive to anyone with a brain.
>Skateboarding
Not edgy by any definition of the word.
>Matrix
Not really edgy. In fact tame by cyberpunk and dystopian settings.
>Trench coats
I already mentioned goths.
>Tarantino
Not really edgy. His work doesn't become gratuitous until at least Kill Bill.
>Fight Club
A deliberate ridicule of manchildren.
>Attitude
Meaningless buzzword, which isn't really edgy either.
>Extreme Sports
Kind of?
>Radical
See: Attitude.
I dunno man, comics were kind of edgy. That's a good point you brought up. The rest, I don't really see it.
>Not really edgy.
NTA but that's bullshit. Tarantino was not ONLY edgy but that was a great deal of the appeal in movies like Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs.
>gratuitous
Doesn't have anything to do with being edgy.
>Not really edgy.
Matrix was extremely edgy. The whole premise is insanely edgy given that the entire fricking human race has already been utterly conquered and enslaved. If you disagree you don't know what edgy means.
>In fact tame by cyberpunk and dystopian settings.
Unlikely, but this doesn't matter because the fact that The Matrix was so enormously popular means it's reflective of cultural trends and broader attitude in a way that random niche products are not.
In my understanding, people use "edgy" when they act like a chuuni. Extreme violence, angst, other teenage bullshit often in a gratuitous manner.
Reservoir Dogs isn't edgy, it's just violent. The Matrix isn't edgy; edgy would have been cynical.
Maybe I'm using the word wrong, but I doubt it.
>The Matrix isn't edgy; edgy would have been cynical.
Matrix is very cynical. The entire world is an illusion and everyone living in The Matrix is written off. It's so unrecoverably cynical that the final movie winds up shitting the bed because they realized they had no real stakes or feasible goals working within The Matrix so had to make the whole thing about Zion and all that convoluted architect garbage.
The Matrix is as edgy as it comes. The acting, the costumes, the color palettes-- all this shit reinforces the angst and edginess. Nobody is ever smiles or is happy.
We're talking about the first movie, the only one made in the 1990s, which ends with Neo overcoming the machines, transcending, and leading humanity on a possible revolution. And yes, the green of the virtual world is still there, but the sun is shining.
>We're talking about the first movie, the only one made in the 1990s
Yeah, I'm talking about the first movie. It's cynical as frick. Cynicism pervades the entire thing. I only brought up the other movies as evidence to show where the cynical premise has to go.
Changes nothing about the point whatsoever.
>At best you could argue goths were a thing
Literally coming here and selling the don't-belong
Late 90s was definitely edgy. I wouldn't call DS9 edgy in the grand scheme but it was on the edgier side for Star Trek at the time.
There are always multiple trends happening simultaneously but there was definitely a lot of edginess in late 90s especially compared to the 80s and early 90s. In music there was grunge in comic books there were a lot of anti-heroes. Hell it's even observable in videogames, there were a ton of edgy Playstation games and notable franchises like Final Fantasy introducing characters like Sephiroth who are basically pure distilled edge. I would say the 90s edginess trend peaked in movies like The Matrix and Fight Club, and the pendulum began swinging back for awhile after that
star trek is fricking pozzed
You are
some of the old ones are really a chore to sit through but the good ones are really good if you like scifi. tng starts out like this as well, lots of weird shit, probably TOS leftovers but mid/end season 2 it picks up and finds its footing. after that you can watch whatever till enterprise. nothing after that. not a single bit.
Thread almost dying. Post some more Kira feet or something. Frick it even Scotty feet or post-accident Pike feet are okay, just give me feet
Are we going there
Because I can go there
first season is best season of TNG because the second season of TNG is too short and ends with shades of grey
OFFICIAL /TREK/ WATCHING ORDER: Start with DS9 S1 then let the prophets guide you through to S7, my child. That's it.
>watch TOS
>perfectly immersed
>watch TNG
>immediately taken out of it as I watch Stewart do a shlocky theater performance of a spaceship captain
I genuinely don't understand why people love TNG so much. Stewart nearly ruins it, especially his self-indulgent "i'm REALLY cultured" episodes.
frick yes
I started two years ago and never looked back
started with the original series and I'm on the last season of TNG and it's such a great show, frick modern tv, it's all garbage
they never showed TNG on my country
but boy when I watched it, it changed me, such a great show
I love it so much
As for me, I wouldn't deny that "edge" and "attitude" was a big thing in the 90s. Whether or not it's any worse than modern trends, that's where there might be some disagreements between us.
>okay i was wrong but *pivots to unrelated whataboutism*
I'm obviously not the guy you were talking to and was just chiming in with my own thoughts.
We get all kinds here, we really do. I wonder about the typical level of education on this board sometimes.
You're obviously the same gay.
Get a life.
If you're a bigot, racist or anti inclusivity of all races. Please don't bother. It's not for you, just go and watch BSG or something.
Watch the X-Men Animated series, it's like Trek but mostly on earth and filled with Mutants. The main lead is a bald white guy also.
To me, edgy is a good thing. I like anti-heroes and existentialism and stuff like that. It's far less silly to me than treating everything like a joke, hidden behind seven layers of irony.
Trek was always worth getting into and I would argue is even more worth getting into now in 2023: https://youtu.be/ZOjG8Ditub8?feature=shared&t=159
edge started in the late 80s and probably peaked in 1999 while trailing off into the early 00s. late 90s edge was a spectrum of the matrix to guy fieri. maybe it's impossible for younger people to imagine, but it was simultaneously dark and cheesy. the aforementioned sephiroth is a great example of pure distilled edge. edge was everywhere. it was myspace, it was purple beards, mission: impossible 2 rock climbing scene, tony hawk's 900, limp bizkit, sisko bombing maquis planets. even boomer daytime shows like jerry springer, sitcoms like married with children and the evening news were edgy. when zoomers think of the word edgy, they think of something completely different.
look at the posts now trying to argue if the matrix was edgy or not, discussing its cynical outlook and whatever. that has nothing to do with it. the matrix is edgy because of how it portrays itself, it's the look and feel of the movie. you could do the same exact content in a non-edgy style and make it a serious movie about transhumanism. the matrix is not a serious movie about transhumanism, it's pure edge.
>edge started in the late 80s
If we're talking about the punk movement, that started in the 70s and itself is an outgrowth of other youth rebellions like the Hippies and the Beatniks.
>the evening news were edgy
Alright frick off
>If we're talking about the punk movement
we aren't, zoomer. edge doesn't just mean anything aggressively non-conformist.
>look at the posts now trying to argue if the matrix was edgy or not, discussing its cynical outlook and whatever. that has nothing to do with it. the matrix is edgy because of how it portrays itself, it's the look and feel of the movie.
It's both.
>you could do the same exact content in a non-edgy style
It wouldn't be exactly the same.