Why shouldn't it
If you d it for the fun of drawing your favorite superheros you should do it
But if you just want to create your own vision it's a stupid idea
I would say it's a great opportunity for beginners to learn a thing or two about comics and art when you work for them
Frick no. The pay isn't very good and the deadlines are unreasonable. Any halfway decent artist would make more money on commissions or their own projects.
People focus on culture wars shit but the truth of the matter is the economics of working for capeshit means that only ideologues are dumb enough to want to work for those companies.
>Pay is bad
Have you ever considered that some don't do it for the money?
Nah it's viable. You just can't have kids and have to live a poverty lifestyle but it'd be worth it to draw for big two capeshit right?
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Rent on a studio or one bedroom apartment around where I live is between 1,300 and 1,500 a month.
The monthly payments on what few condos exist start at around a reasonable 800, but then gets assraped to another 1,300 because in the land of the free you aren't allowed to say no to an HoA unless you already lived in a home before it's formation, and they pile on the fees.
So monthly rent for a year, if we average it out to 1,400 a month, is 16,800 a year.
Of that 25,000 you make, you're down to 8,200.
Now factor in taxes for the year, you're down to about 6,000 if you've been a good boy.
Got car payments?
Maybe you got as low as 200 a month. Now you have 3,600 for the year.
Oh but factor in car insurance. That's gotta be at least 1,000 a year minimum.
So you have 2,600
But thet 80 dollars a month you spent on gas leaves you about 1,640
Oh, don't forget the 50 dollar a month "I'm alive" tax Obama put on you with mandatory health insurance.
Enjoy your 1,000 dollars for the year to spend on food and a cell phone or whatever. God help you if there's an emergency.
which is why I said it will also not give you credit, as everyone hates Marvel and DC nowadays, and it will also leave you motivationless, as it will ruin your desire to draw because they will force you to draw shit you absolutely despise
I didn’t draw or write for over a year and a half after taking an animation course in college, so I get the gist of what you’re talking about. Feels like the smart decision would be to “Don’t quit your day job” and work on your project during your free time.
unfortunately yes. If you want to draw for a living, the only real options nowadays are big animation studios and video games. But even there the market is over saturated with talented artist.
I personally had to go the commission route. I make below minimum wage and my soul is being sucked right out from having to draw fetish porn. Be better than me
>Have you ever considered that some don't do it for the money?
Why do you think I said >only the ideologues want to work for those companies
The people that aren't in it for the money are in it for something else: most often to et their message/ideas out there. Sometimes that message is "Hal Jordan is a good boi that dindu nuffin" or "Lex is Superboy's secret gay dad" like Johns did. Sometimes that message is shit about how immigrants are all rapists or transwomen are heckin valid.
Frick no. The pay isn't very good and the deadlines are unreasonable. Any halfway decent artist would make more money on commissions or their own projects.
People focus on culture wars shit but the truth of the matter is the economics of working for capeshit means that only ideologues are dumb enough to want to work for those companies.
Or just do covers for the big bucks. It's a VERY important job. You're tricking people into shelling out cash for YA-tier interior art and lame sjw talking point stories.
lol >TFW nobody wants you, and in order to get off, you have to stick your dick in a hole at the back of your cave. Mice bite it so viciously it bleeds for a week afterwards when you do, but at least it's SOMETHING.
it's $250 per penciled page
calculate how long it takes YOU to do it
and you'll see if it's worth it to YOU
it helps you're foreign, hence all those brazilians, croats etc
also, it's a young man's game, it helps if you're healthy and with no family to feed yet (or at least have a supportive spouse kek)
finally, don't put all your eggs in one basket as you never know when the work will dry up (and it will)
If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. There's a huge difference between an amateur tracing a reference and a pro. No reason to try to painstakingly redraw tech or a background that you can just trace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=FVZzYlNIgMI&t=83s&ab_channel=PhilNicholl
Most people don't care if a background is traced or not. It's pointless to put all that effort into a cityscape in a background most readers won't notice. Manga artists realized that decades ago.
Don't act like those are equivalent. Every artist who has ever lived uses references. Nobody draws from memory, just like nobody writes C++ code from memory.
If you want to be paid peanuts, get impossible deadlines, have no possibility of career advancement, have your work be seen by no one and get told it's an opportunity you should be grateful for and you better behave or you will get your life ruined sure
Meanwhile there are people making a living off of lower quality art in webtoons because they pander to the right autistic group
>Is it worth it to work for Marvel or DC as an artist?
No, the page rates are absolutely horrible. It's simply an awful way to make a living. Did you know that the page rates used to be HIGHER in absolute dollar amounts in 1978 than they are now? That's without even factoring in 45 years inflation (which is around 400 percent by the way).
Most of Cinemaphile are will never have a shot anyway. While being a comic artist will never be job security, If you ever do get to the level of working for Marvel or DC those names on your resume are going to be a huge boon for you for the rest of your life. You shouldn't expect to make a consistent living out of it(there's maybe a handful of comic artists at the big two over 50 regularly working), but you can easily parlay it to storyboarding, convention appearances, teaching,etc.
If you have enough talent to write, draw, and color to meet the minim, just do your own webcomic.
You own your own characters, sell your own merch, make your own schedule, work wherever you want to work, and you'll get at least a handful of 6/10 women who will willingly sleep with you and you won't even need to pursue them.
>If you have enough talent to write, draw, and color to meet the minim, just do your own webcomic.
Post that squirrel girl page from8 years ago all you want,there's a significant gap in quality between most webcomic artists and big two comic artists.
I'd be worried about the threat of AI getting closer.
And if you seriously think they'd keep human artists that they have to pay when it becomes viable to let AI do the work for them you are a cutie patootie.
Surely there will be always some human artists left, but the bulk - in other words what you would do - will be done by AI someday.
how about working for a different comic company other than those 2 by trying to draw like a child, or how you used to draw as a child and put in a kid graphic novel series like this or make your own series.
ah sweet a schizo thread
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Why shouldn't it
If you d it for the fun of drawing your favorite superheros you should do it
But if you just want to create your own vision it's a stupid idea
I would say it's a great opportunity for beginners to learn a thing or two about comics and art when you work for them
Dude, that's like telling some they'd enjoy working at Gamestop because they love videogames.
Unless you're already established in the industry there is zero chance.
nowadays, not anymore. It won't give you credit, it won't pay good anymore, and it will suck your soul right out of your ass.
>Pay is bad
Have you ever considered that some don't do it for the money?
>I don't want my job to give me a living wage
just have a nice day my man
If you can pay for your home and buy food that's enough
>If you can pay for your home and buy food that's enough
Can you do that for 40k a year?
You only need 25k
What state?
Wisconsin
That is a lie
Nah it's viable. You just can't have kids and have to live a poverty lifestyle but it'd be worth it to draw for big two capeshit right?
Rent on a studio or one bedroom apartment around where I live is between 1,300 and 1,500 a month.
The monthly payments on what few condos exist start at around a reasonable 800, but then gets assraped to another 1,300 because in the land of the free you aren't allowed to say no to an HoA unless you already lived in a home before it's formation, and they pile on the fees.
So monthly rent for a year, if we average it out to 1,400 a month, is 16,800 a year.
Of that 25,000 you make, you're down to 8,200.
Now factor in taxes for the year, you're down to about 6,000 if you've been a good boy.
Got car payments?
Maybe you got as low as 200 a month. Now you have 3,600 for the year.
Oh but factor in car insurance. That's gotta be at least 1,000 a year minimum.
So you have 2,600
But thet 80 dollars a month you spent on gas leaves you about 1,640
Oh, don't forget the 50 dollar a month "I'm alive" tax Obama put on you with mandatory health insurance.
Enjoy your 1,000 dollars for the year to spend on food and a cell phone or whatever. God help you if there's an emergency.
which is why I said it will also not give you credit, as everyone hates Marvel and DC nowadays, and it will also leave you motivationless, as it will ruin your desire to draw because they will force you to draw shit you absolutely despise
I didn’t draw or write for over a year and a half after taking an animation course in college, so I get the gist of what you’re talking about. Feels like the smart decision would be to “Don’t quit your day job” and work on your project during your free time.
unfortunately yes. If you want to draw for a living, the only real options nowadays are big animation studios and video games. But even there the market is over saturated with talented artist.
I personally had to go the commission route. I make below minimum wage and my soul is being sucked right out from having to draw fetish porn. Be better than me
>Have you ever considered that some don't do it for the money?
Why do you think I said
>only the ideologues want to work for those companies
The people that aren't in it for the money are in it for something else: most often to et their message/ideas out there. Sometimes that message is "Hal Jordan is a good boi that dindu nuffin" or "Lex is Superboy's secret gay dad" like Johns did. Sometimes that message is shit about how immigrants are all rapists or transwomen are heckin valid.
And those bastards are apparently hard to pin down on payday, even for the now-reduced pay (70-something a page vs yesteryear's 200)
No, expect shit pay and short deadlines
Don’t ask for career advice let alone advice on Cinemaphile dummy
why not
Frick no. The pay isn't very good and the deadlines are unreasonable. Any halfway decent artist would make more money on commissions or their own projects.
People focus on culture wars shit but the truth of the matter is the economics of working for capeshit means that only ideologues are dumb enough to want to work for those companies.
Or just do covers for the big bucks. It's a VERY important job. You're tricking people into shelling out cash for YA-tier interior art and lame sjw talking point stories.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the left.
>Is it worth it to work as an artist?
I simplified your question for you. The answer is no.
lol
>TFW nobody wants you, and in order to get off, you have to stick your dick in a hole at the back of your cave. Mice bite it so viciously it bleeds for a week afterwards when you do, but at least it's SOMETHING.
what is that jawline
Working as an artist? In this economy? In these times?
it's $250 per penciled page
calculate how long it takes YOU to do it
and you'll see if it's worth it to YOU
it helps you're foreign, hence all those brazilians, croats etc
also, it's a young man's game, it helps if you're healthy and with no family to feed yet (or at least have a supportive spouse kek)
finally, don't put all your eggs in one basket as you never know when the work will dry up (and it will)
good luck
Oh, he's foreign? The low pay might not even be an issue, with a lower cost of living.
*if you're foreign
my keyboard ate a word, i must clean it
Don't they mainly just use/trace references, except for the few GOOD ones?
If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. There's a huge difference between an amateur tracing a reference and a pro. No reason to try to painstakingly redraw tech or a background that you can just trace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=FVZzYlNIgMI&t=83s&ab_channel=PhilNicholl
Literally every artist uses references you absolute dolt.
I mean to the point where they're literally TRACING.
Most people don't care if a background is traced or not. It's pointless to put all that effort into a cityscape in a background most readers won't notice. Manga artists realized that decades ago.
everybody has always done that
>Don't they mainly just use/trace references
Don't act like those are equivalent. Every artist who has ever lived uses references. Nobody draws from memory, just like nobody writes C++ code from memory.
>nobody writes C++ code from memory.
I do
If you want to be paid peanuts, get impossible deadlines, have no possibility of career advancement, have your work be seen by no one and get told it's an opportunity you should be grateful for and you better behave or you will get your life ruined sure
Meanwhile there are people making a living off of lower quality art in webtoons because they pander to the right autistic group
>Is it worth it to work for Marvel or DC as an artist?
No, the page rates are absolutely horrible. It's simply an awful way to make a living. Did you know that the page rates used to be HIGHER in absolute dollar amounts in 1978 than they are now? That's without even factoring in 45 years inflation (which is around 400 percent by the way).
Most of Cinemaphile are will never have a shot anyway. While being a comic artist will never be job security, If you ever do get to the level of working for Marvel or DC those names on your resume are going to be a huge boon for you for the rest of your life. You shouldn't expect to make a consistent living out of it(there's maybe a handful of comic artists at the big two over 50 regularly working), but you can easily parlay it to storyboarding, convention appearances, teaching,etc.
If you have enough talent to write, draw, and color to meet the minim, just do your own webcomic.
You own your own characters, sell your own merch, make your own schedule, work wherever you want to work, and you'll get at least a handful of 6/10 women who will willingly sleep with you and you won't even need to pursue them.
>If you have enough talent to write, draw, and color to meet the minim, just do your own webcomic.
Post that squirrel girl page from8 years ago all you want,there's a significant gap in quality between most webcomic artists and big two comic artists.
I'd be worried about the threat of AI getting closer.
And if you seriously think they'd keep human artists that they have to pay when it becomes viable to let AI do the work for them you are a cutie patootie.
Surely there will be always some human artists left, but the bulk - in other words what you would do - will be done by AI someday.
no
No
how about working for a different comic company other than those 2 by trying to draw like a child, or how you used to draw as a child and put in a kid graphic novel series like this or make your own series.
that market is even more saturated than superheroes
Are you creative enough to create your own webcomic?