lol, I can't fricking believe people around the world seem to like this trash. I'm German and that show represents everything bad about german tv/movies to me
>that show represents everything bad about german tv/movies to me
How? It wasn't terribly low-budget, a really shitty comedy, or a documentary about trains
It was stuffed with a bit of everything and anything, just like a fat german blutwurst bursting at the seams. Completely incoherent attempt at sophisticated storytelling.
If you want a good high-budget german production check out Babylon Berlin
Lots of frustrating moments where characters dont say anything.
If people in this show spoke more, and didn't try to constantly have emotional epic moments, it'd have lasted one season, and it would have been really good
The last season or two felt like a chore, frick.
I watched it last year or the year before and it was like being constantly blue balled
It's so fricking aggravating when the characters get asked a direct fricking question and they just stare off into space. Are Germans really like that?
It starts out as kino but gets really fricking annoying towards the end of the second season. Jonah sucks and instead of closing plotlines they just extend them out with needless convolutions. Watch the first two seasons, skip to the last two episodes of the third season.
Kino series but it does blueball you until the very end. Some minor plotlines also go nowhere. Visuals, casting, acting are all great though so I was still invested enough
It's a perfect show. People who trash season's 2 and 3 need to rewatch it so they pick up things. Sure a few characters are meaningless but overall everyone has a nice purpose.
>is it worth watching?
Starts good then it gets too into its own ass.
Too much forced gravitas at the end of EVERY episode. I'm not talking about a big reveal after some big story arch, I'm talking about EVERY FRICKING EPISODE.
Yes and what this anon says , they build the foundation to an amazing mystery, but failed to make it end in a satisfying way. Still worth the watch though. Best thing out of Netflix for sure.
season 3 was going off the idea that time travel currently isn't possible, but if it were made possible, it would only be possible to travel in the periods after it was made possible. tanhaus caused a little big bang, creating multiple universes where time travel was possible, that kept spawning more and more universes as minor variations in each "time loop" due to the uncertainty principle.
I'm American and it's not. It got super complicated near the end. I also didn't make a fricking diagram until after. I don't need to know exactly how everyone relates. I understood most of it though just by thinking about it as i watched it. I think that feeling of being spaghetti towards the end just adds to how fricked up it is. I also watched with subtitles because dubs suck.
>I'm American and it's not.
Good for you, but in my experience, you're a rare exception. >It got super complicated near the end.
Not that complicated, actually. Moreso than the beginning, but if you know some of the scientific models that they're spoofing (or nodding to) in the last few episodes, it's actually quite easy to keep track of and rather amusing where they take them.
I meant complicated in the relationships. I forgot a few names and faces. They made enough of the relationships pretty apparent. Most people aren't going to be able to tell you the specifics about everything until they watch it again or make a diagram of the tree. I did make a diagram and i also rewatched it because i was learning German at the time. I thought it was a cool show. German media is pretty interesting.
as others have said it's one of the best ever, and ignore the morons who trash season 3 it's just as good as 1 and 2 and the ending is very satisfying.
>ending very satisfying >a LITERAL deus ex machina >Claudia knowing EXACTLY how shit happens and how to solve it for absolutely no fricking reason >ending takes away the story from the main characters we know and love for 3 season and makes it so some random ass side character is actually the source of the entire thing
yeah no frick off. writers wrote themselves to a corner and has no idea how to resolve everything. many such cases!
>this casual time travel character starts figuring out there is a problem with another character's theory that can't be reconciled within his theory >she then "immediately" shows up with the answer and how to solve it
>for absolutely no fricking reason
Maybe you should have paid more attention? Like, to the dialogue even? I get that you probably had to read subtitles, but reading isn't as hard as you make it out to be.
Not only that, but she was also the only one who communicated with her younger version frequently (and openly, without lying), the only actual scientist among the travelers, and the only one in possession of a very specific notebook at the "end" of the cycle.
Not worth it. Gets too convoluted in the end. I was so annoyed with the whole thing I didn't even watch the last episode. Only watch if you like to see German girls cry.
>Gets too convoluted in the end. I was so annoyed with the whole thing I didn't even watch the last episode.
You should've stuck with Nickelodeon shows
overrated slop, only brainlets think this is somehow a high iq story. Certainly from season 3 onwards it becomes laughably bad with plot holes in it wider than your moms vegana.
>only brainlets think this is somehow a high iq story.
Only "brainlets" like yourself categorize stories in terms of "high iq" or "low iq". >from season 3 onwards
You realize that season 3 is where it ends, right? Nothing comes after it. There is no "onwards".
the beginning of season 3 to the end you nitwit. Season 2 already went downhill. It's only plot writing in season 3. God forbid our characters make sound and logical decisions.
>the beginning of season 3 to the end
That's not how you use the word "onwards". But we've already established that you're American. >God forbid our characters make sound and logical decisions.
So, you're complaining that the characters aren't "logical", the other guy in here is complaining that nothing is "unpredictable" enough. Maybe you two should argue a bit. You'd probably also make for a good comedy duo - "Dumb and Dumber" ... wait, I think that name's already in use.
who made the sphere time travel device? I either totally missed that or they snuck it in season 3 because there's far less emphasis on it versus the tanhaus machine
Why wouldn't there be a Tannhaus? Pretty much everyone had a counterpart over there (with the obvious exception), especially those who already existed before the "split". And there was Charlotte in Eva's 2019. Where do you think she grew up?
Who invented time travel? Obviously Tanhaus did originally. But in both universes they exist in a world where he did not and some sort of paradox knot self invents it. He learns about time travel machines from time travelers and repairs them according to their schematics. It seems like Noah is trying to develop one in a rough process throughout the decades as the original, but I never caught how the room turns into a fully functional device - if it did.
The two worlds didn't need anyone to invent it. There didn't need to be an event where it came to be, because time travel was inherent to both of those worlds. They only came to be because of the idea of "what if time travel existed", so they came with time travel already being a thing. >It seems like Noah is trying to develop one in a rough process throughout the decades
Noah tries to build a specific device - one that is needed for Helge to travel and to keep the status quo intact - but not invent time travel itself. Noah already knew time travel existed before he started the chair experiments. In fact, he himself had been travelling back and forth for over three decades at that point in his life.
German really isn't that hard to learn. English is Germanic and German just has a shit ton of rules and many words don't have English versions because they fell out of use a long time ago when English was closer to German. I started learning German, i'm not fluent and i suck at it, but i have previous language experience with Spanish. You can start to see how German works structurally even without knowing most of the words. Sometimes English and German sound very similar.
>advancing plot >meaningless dialogues
This isn't capeshit, child. Have you ever been to a theatric play? By your standards, Shakespeare's work must be the most meaningless shit ever.
>durrrr me so smart cause I can watch shitty character interactions that go nowhere
Kys, this show is only good if you're a midwit who gets a hardon for managing to piece together mysteries such as "X and Y have the same last name, perhaps they are related"
I just thought it has a lot of things to set up or it's just a slow show, I'm on Episode 8 right now and barely anything has happened except kinda trivial drama between very one note characters, slow burning is one thing, 7 hours of content with barely anything substance in it is just not it
>7 hours of content with barely anything substance in it
Funny, because those first seven hours have basically 95% of all you need to understand the full story, provided you paid attention. Everything has already happened, you just don't know yet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
My problem isn't that I don't understand it my problem is that most of it is either "2 deep 4 u" type stuff or just dialogue that goes nowhere
3 months ago
Anonymous
>"2 deep 4 u" type stuff
Examples? >dialogue that goes nowhere
That's the point though: It does go somewhere. Later. There's barely anyt dialogue that's not relevant again at some other point in the story, or at least alludes to something that will be relevant.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>examples
So far it's just a cliche time travel story with a bunch of dressing >That's the point though: It does go somewhere. Later. There's barely anyt dialogue that's not relevant again at some other point in the story, or at least alludes to something that will be relevant.
You may be 100% correct, however it's been 7 fricking hours man can't I at least get some progression towards a conclusion? Hell I can summarize what has happened in the story in 2 or 3 sentences, that's not very good for this amount of screen time
3 months ago
Anonymous
>can't I at least get some progression towards a conclusion?
It is progressing. At least in terms of story revelations. For example, you didn't initially know why Helge was so traumatized and where his injury came from. Now, 8 episodes in, you know. Recognizing that Mikkel is Michael, getting to know his letter, that gave you a whole new perspective on Jonas' whole family situation. Episode 4 introduced Noah, some kind of antagonist with apparent ties to Charlotte and Elisabeth. The question of whether the past can be changed or not has come up, and (even if you might not have realized) a partial answer to that has already been given. All of that is story progress, and all of it is working towards a certain goal. All of the points that I mentioned will come up again, multiple times, and all contribute to the resolution of the story.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe? Some of the characterization is a bit pointless because it reveals some "So what?" type reaction, though Mikkel being Michael was pretty neat. Perhaps I should give this show another try, hopefully it picks up a bit in the last episode/episodes of the season
3 months ago
Anonymous
In terms of stuff happening and the major characters being proactive, it picks up the moment Ulrich follows Helge into the cave (episode 7).
But don't expect non-stop action sequences. That's just not what Dark is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Ì don't expect action sequences at all, just the plot not going at a snails pace and all the setup paying off at least to some degree
3 months ago
Anonymous
The pacing in the beginning is slow, arguably, to allow you to fully grasp the connections between the characters. Once things really get going, you're basically expected to know who's who and who's related to whom by heart. People have complained that seasons 2 and 3 were going so fast that they had problems following along, and most often that seems related to them not having understood the family trees back at the start. Season 3 in particular has so many people acting with and against each other, each with their own agenda, that following along requires a good understanding of their individual contexts and motivations.
Payoff to the mysteries comes in small doses throughout the story. And usually, the reveals are gradual, so that you can actually get the answers yourself if you pay enough attention, before they are spelt out. There is one particular episode towards the end that also fills in everything that hasn't outright been answered, but many of those answers are also possible to get to yourself before that episode.
>character is on screen >other character from a different timeline appears out of nowhere >"hurr durrr you canz not chaeng liek the timeline and stuff" >repeat over and over for all seasons
If you enjoy this shit then you'll enjoy it but otherwise the show is predictable and boring. morons in here only pretend to like it because it's in German though.
>predictable
I doubt you predicted either the ending of season 2 or of season 3. You most likely didn't even predict many of the smaller twists (identities, relationships) more than at most five before they were revealed.
Just pay fricking attention to the shit you watch, you fricking morons. For example, Ulrich's story was so fricking predictable and redundant with the older cop.
So, in other words, no, you didn't predict anything. You're even so fricking moronic that you thought any of the Ulrich/Egon scenes were meant to be "le epic twist". I guess that's what American television does to your brain.
>If you think that's good storytelling
So you measure storytelling in terms of whether scenes, whose main purpose is to further character arcs, manage to be "unpredictable"?
You haven't ever read a book in your life, have you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, because that's the purpose of your entire audience for ALL media, you fricking autistic moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>that's the purpose of your entire audience
The purpose of my audience? WTF are you even trying to say here? An audience doesn't have a "purpose".
Maybe you wanted to say that scenes being unpredictable is their own purpose FOR an audience? If so, well, that's utterly ridiculous. Most stories aren't even mysteries. Nothing about, say, a romantic comedy is unpredictable.
For most things, being unpredictable would mean to be completely random and incoherent - i.e. actual bad writing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
homie, you're dense as frick. You do realize this shit is a piece of ENTERTAINMENT, right? There's literally a reason why nobody likes the last season because it's redundant and doesn't offer anything new, you dense moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Entertainment doesn't mean "muh unpredictable bullcrap". Go watch some capeshit series if you want that. I've heard this "Flash" US-superheroslop supposedly has time travel and is all over the place in terms of "predictability". You'll probably love that.
It's hard to watch a series in which you can't root or relate in some fashion to any of the characters
Everyone is either a whimp, a moron, or plain scum
Well, that argument went right over your head. Let me spell it out for you, little one:
People. Are. Trash.
All of them. Fictional ones. Actual ones. You. Me.
Every single human being is heavily flawed. Flaws are what makes fictional characters relatable to normal (and not so normal) readers/watchers. So don't complain about character being flawed. Good characters are supposed to be.
Incorrect.
To be flawed imply that there's something to uphold
This characters have nothing to uphold. If they are 100% "flawed", then that's not a flaw, that's just plain trash.
>This characters have nothing to uphold.
You apparently did not pay much attention. Or you're just shitposting. Not entirely sure which one, to be quite honest.
You serriously don't think someone like Jonas or Helge or Mikkel or Claudia has redeeming qualities?
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, they were all covering their own ass
3 months ago
Anonymous
>they were all covering their own ass
That has nothing to do with whether or not they have redeeming features.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I know
They didn't
3 months ago
Anonymous
Except they clearly did.
Jonas is a very devoted person. First to his family, in particular his father. Then to Martha. Then to stopping Adam. And finally to end it all. That is a particular strenght of character, quite literally.
Helge is someone who gets on the wrong path early in life, and due to his mental limitations and suffering from abuse (from his mother, from Ulrich, from Noah) doesn't manage to overcome his dependency on others. But once he does, he does so completely, goes 180 and does all he can to help Claudia against Noah/Adam, tries to warn people even as a dementia-riddled old man, and eventually goes back in time trying to stop his past self, no matter what it takes.
Mikkel, well, he doesn't ever do anything wrong on the large scale. You could argue that he might have neglected Hannah in the late 2010s when his trauma came back, or that he distanced himself too much from his real parents, closed himself off too much in general. But all of that is minor. He was a great father to Jonas, probably a good husband most of the time, and sacrificed himself for his son and for what he considered the bigger picture.
Lastly, Claudia is someone who did a lot of shady things, but she also did all of that to ultimately make things better for everyone, at least as she understood it. Her main motivation was her daughter (who she'd had a somewhat distanced relationshi to originally), and her method was analytical and straightforward. She's easily the most intelligent character in Dark, and the most hopeful (moreso than Jonas) and ultimately the one who solves the whole thing, not only saving Regina, but also giving Jonas, original Tannhaus and countless others exactly what they want.
I could do this for pretty much every character. They all have redeeming features.
3 months ago
Anonymous
All covering their own ass and ultimately a whimp, a moron, or plain scum
It doesn't matter if they "redeem", all fricking characters can't "redeem" that's fricking stupid
You can have one bad seed that redeems
If every character is shit and they all redeem and do cool shit at the end, that's just plain bad writing
What the frick is this, game of thrones?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>It doesn't matter if they "redeem", all fricking characters can't "redeem" that's fricking stupid
Do you even know what the verb "to redeem" means and how you use it? What you mean is the reflexive-intransitive version of it, "to redeem oneself".
Anyway, "redeeming qualities" means nothing other than "positive trait", you fricking moron. It doesn't mean they need to have a whole comprehensive redemption arc like some comic book villain. And, no, giving characters, even villains, such traits is not "plain bad writing". It's the very opposite. Even your fricking capeshit overlords at Disney know that their Thanos and Whatshisname need some personal justifications and slightly sympathetic character traits to not come across as one-dimensional. But apparently, one-dimensional characters are what you consider good writing.
No.
It's drab and boring.
It has this constant feel of importance to it that I heavely despise in a show.
It's like someone made Twin Peaks, removed all the humor and weirdness, made it all about the supernatural element and put a greyish-blue filter on it while filming the German woods.
If you want to look solemly at 2 deep 4 u wank this is the show for you.
No. It starts off kind of interesting but then you immediately learn that Germans are terrible storytellers, it isn't thrilling or exciting. It just drones on and on.
I'm not American btw, I single out Germans because of the robotic dialogue and insistence on giving logical explanations. Nothing is left to the imagination and for a mystery/thriller type show that ends up dulling things quickly. It's always the same with German cinema, snoozefests.
I also watched this which I'm now learning was from the same people. My criticisms of this show were mostly the same, they have everyone speaking different languages and don't utilise this for any purpose and hint toward something interesting, then immediately spoil that with the dullest explanation.
>I single out Germans because of the robotic dialogue and insistence on giving logical explanations. Nothing is left to the imagination and for a mystery/thriller type show that ends up dulling things quickly
Damn, you nailed it. German mystery thriller appears kino to the most autistic among us
Well, yes, the overwhelming majority of American cinema (and television) is just that.
Don't expect others to judge your whole "culture" on the rare film festival entry or experimental short.
I'm not American btw, I single out Germans because of the robotic dialogue and insistence on giving logical explanations. Nothing is left to the imagination and for a mystery/thriller type show that ends up dulling things quickly. It's always the same with German cinema, snoozefests.
I also watched this which I'm now learning was from the same people. My criticisms of this show were mostly the same, they have everyone speaking different languages and don't utilise this for any purpose and hint toward something interesting, then immediately spoil that with the dullest explanation.
>Nothing is left to the imagination and for a mystery/thriller type show that ends up dulling things quickly.
Sounds like a you-problem. Mysteries traditionally end with explanations, sometimes very detailled and elaborate ones. Ever read Agatha Christie? As for thrillers? You should probably watch Psycho or Vertigo and witness the literal info-dumps they both have right in their last three minutes.
>Sounds like a you-problem. Mysteries traditionally end with explanations
There's the problem, they should end with explanation. It's been a while since I've seen this show but I remember when it begins with a bunch of too obvious mysteries but then it begins the process of explaining them from the second episode all the way until the ending.
We need to then endure 3 seasons of watching literally every member of the cast learning things that we already know.
There is not a coherent story that is fun to watch, there is no emotional stakes because I don't care about any of these characters. It is devoid of fun.
You hate American cinema so much but Dark gets absolutely mogged by something like Season 1 of Stranger Things because it focuses on it's characters and story first, rather than the mechanics of it's sci-fi/horror elements.
>begins the process of explaining them from the second episode
Which supposed mystery does it explain in episode 2? What do you consider mysteries or expanations in the first place? >learning things that we already know.
There's very little that the characters learn that the audience can possibly know. Most often it's the other way around. >There is not a coherent story that is fun to watch
The story is extremely coherent, moreso than most stories out there. If you don't have fun, well, again, a you-problem. >no emotional stakes because I don't care about any of these characters
See above. >gets absolutely mogged by something like Season 1 of Stranger Things
Now this is astonishing. You seem to have really bad taste and extremely warped standards for what constitutes a "coherent story" or relatable characters with "emotional stakes".
3 months ago
Anonymous
Were you on the writing team? I've never seen somebody get so emotional and defensive of a TV show
3 months ago
Anonymous
He's just an autistic moron, just ignore him.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, I just understand how storytelling works. Unlike you, it seems, since you cannot even simple questions.
Why are you so emotional when it comes to shitting on a TV show anyway?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Frick off already, autist. Your show isn't perfect, deal with it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>isn't perfect
Nice strawman. Also, please stop replying to every post of mine and every post that is a reply to me with petty insults. As that is not only actual (clinically) autistic behaviour, but also extremely annoying behaviour that just fills this thread with this completely worthless drivel of yours.
S1 is worth it, no more after that. You get heavy atmosphere, soapy drama of multiple family bs in 3 different eras. Similar sets in different timeline is great for art direction fans. Acting has nordic angst
Season 3 was kinda weak the rest is all kino.
The last episode passed me off. The Tannhaus crash should have been caused by Jonas and Martha showing up in the road in first place. It would have completed the loop. Then they just run off to live in the original timeline.
S1 and S2 were entertaining, it keeps you wanting to binge the whole thing, then the final season comes and it has so many plot holes that you gotta force suspension of disbelief in order to enjoy it. And even then, the message is kinda cliche.
So it’s like someone taking you on a 20 hour walk to show you a dog turd.
"Plot holes" is what Hitchwiener called "fridge logic" as far back as the late 1950s, and he ridiculed uneducated critics who thought themselves clever for picking apart plotlines while ignoring the actual substance of the story. So, you are right, that kind of critique has existed for a long time. But it never got taken seriously until youtubers made it mainstream and morons like yourself adopted that brainless approach to media (il)literacy.
If you weren’t an 110 IQ midwit you’d have realized that my criticism wasn’t just about the plot holes themselves but how glaring and numerous they were to the point of taking the audience out of it, especially in a show that is mainly about drawing them in. >while ignoring the actual substance of the story
That’s why I added that the substance of the story was shit and cliché.
So even when you try to nitpick a single director as the absolute authority on this topic, you failed.
>my criticism wasn’t just about the plot holes themselves but how glaring and numerous they were
Exactly, you don't just complain about "muh plotholes", you have that particular kind of autism where you start counting them. That's why I namedropped CinemaSins, who did exactly that. Apparently you think that makes it better rather than way worse. >taking the audience out of it
Don't project your own autism on general audiences. >the substance of the story was shit and cliché.
What do you think the substance of Dark was, if I may ask?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>where you start counting them.
Its less about counting them and more about how you’re hit with so many nonsensical and illogical things that it just becomes a jumbled mess of trash. Suspension of disbelief gets more strict the longer you spend watching something, the more you learn about the universe’s rules the more obvious it is that the writers are frauds.
But for your 110 IQ midwit brain, you can only disingenuously say “hurr CinemaSins therefore your entire criticism is invalid durr” >Don't project your own autism on general audiences.
Wrong. It’s really common knowledge that people felt this way about S3. >What do you think the substance of Dark was, if I may ask?
Shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you’re hit with so many nonsensical and illogical things
You sound like someone who cannot let go of preconceived notions and considers anything that doesn't conform to his own headcanon as "nonsensical", and as a result takes personal offense.
I'm curious, can you name one or two such things that irked you. Because I have a feeling that none of them are actually inconsistent within the context of the story. >It’s really common knowledge that people felt this way about S3.
Nope. A handful of very obnoxious posters on this capeshit board do. And very very few of the people who react to it on youtube - the more moronic portion of them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Frick off already, autist
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah Im not reading all of that. We’re going in circles because you just can’t admit your favorite show sucks. Sad!
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sad indeed, that you give up the argument the moment you get pressed for examples for your bullshit claims. Should have expected that you're not actually being serious here.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’m sure he left because there are no examples of this show having internal inconsistencies. You people are actually delusional, Jesus Christ.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well, there certainly aren't any that he can name.
Not because Dark is perfect, but because he's a fricknig troll who might not even have watched it.
It's pretty great up until the end which was a big disappointment compared to the rest of the show.
I know this same thing was said before in the thread, I'm just adding another voice of agreement.
>Everybody agrees
A handful of spammers agree, who all turned on Dark the moment it had finished airing and haven't stopped embarassing themselves since by butting into every single thread about it where posters just want to discuss things.
as others have said the show can blueball you, but for me that made the payoffs hit even harder. Theres some really emotionally devestating scenes throughout the show that hit me right in the feels like no show has ever done before.
I reccomend it to anyone that doesn't have zoomer teir attention span, if you don't pay attention to every scene you will lose track of the story. that alone makes it kino as it filters out brainlets.
It's great. The ending is kinda shit but it's still worth watching. I dont know if the site is still active, but netflix had a timeline tracker that made the show easier to follow.
>being this pedantic
Sorry, I have a very low tolerance for bullshit. Especially on a capeshit board like Cinemaphile that is overrun by extremely moronic trolls - and some even more moronic posters who are actually serious.
Yes.
Not all the way to the end, but it's a pretty good show for a while.
exactly
It's one of the greatest shows ever made and i wish i could see it again for the first time.
lol, I can't fricking believe people around the world seem to like this trash. I'm German and that show represents everything bad about german tv/movies to me
>I'm German
Well that explains a lot.
It's not perfect, but I liked it.
Bring back Kommissar Rex you damn nazi
That's Austrian.
>That's Austrian.
To be fair, so is Hitler.
Poor Ulrich, always ending up in a time loop.
He deserves it though.
kek that's actually the actor of ulrich
Wow! You're the first person ever to notice that!
>that show represents everything bad about german tv/movies to me
How? It wasn't terribly low-budget, a really shitty comedy, or a documentary about trains
It was stuffed with a bit of everything and anything, just like a fat german blutwurst bursting at the seams. Completely incoherent attempt at sophisticated storytelling.
If you want a good high-budget german production check out Babylon Berlin
Hurensohn
commie Black person kraut kys
Türke
When I think of German tv productions I think of crap like this.
It is kind of annoying that the anit-nuclear message is mandated by the German government but the show itself is good
No it's pretentious and the decisions most characters makes are plain stupid just because "muh cycle".
Yes, one of the few good shows that do timetravel well
Lots of frustrating moments where characters dont say anything.
If people in this show spoke more, and didn't try to constantly have emotional epic moments, it'd have lasted one season, and it would have been really good
The last season or two felt like a chore, frick.
I watched it last year or the year before and it was like being constantly blue balled
It's so fricking aggravating when the characters get asked a direct fricking question and they just stare off into space. Are Germans really like that?
I did not see a single black family living in 1950s Germany so it’s automatically bullshit
Just season one, the rest sucks
>Demons?
>SATANISMUS IM WINDEN?
Loved it, cried a little bit at the end
claimed
She is incredibly sex Jesus. I’m glad we got to see her naked in the show too.
Absolutely.
It gets a bit silly at the very end but it's excellent all the way through.
The casting is incredible.
it sucks, watch devs if you want a good sci fi show, it's also way shorter than this crap
It starts out as kino but gets really fricking annoying towards the end of the second season. Jonah sucks and instead of closing plotlines they just extend them out with needless convolutions. Watch the first two seasons, skip to the last two episodes of the third season.
It's kino, but ending isn't quite good enough.
Casting is amazing and it has Antje Traue. Worth a watch.
>and it has Antje Traue
for like 10 minutes in 3 seasons
Time travel incest kino
Kino series but it does blueball you until the very end. Some minor plotlines also go nowhere. Visuals, casting, acting are all great though so I was still invested enough
Yes but you gotta watch in German because the English dub is like a shitty anime with no emotion.
It's a perfect show. People who trash season's 2 and 3 need to rewatch it so they pick up things. Sure a few characters are meaningless but overall everyone has a nice purpose.
>is it worth watching?
watched all of it, yes, but it's not the kind of show you can just sit back and enjoy, you need to be paying attention
how do i get a regina gf
i watch for she
evil b***h, her son should've made her disappear as well
hey that's my waifu you're disrespecting
She was a jealous, spiteful and malevolent prostitute.
And i loved her for it.
>evil b***h, her son should've made her disappear as well
>t. Ulrich
>is it worth watching?
Starts good then it gets too into its own ass.
Too much forced gravitas at the end of EVERY episode. I'm not talking about a big reveal after some big story arch, I'm talking about EVERY FRICKING EPISODE.
> you mean... Jonas is a...
> pussy?
> *bass hit sfx*
> close up shot of Martha's bewildered, shivering face
Yes.
no. season 3 is absolute fricking shit and ruins the entire show, especially the ending. season 1 and 2 was absolute kino tho
i was so hyped while watching it and now i regret ever recommending it to anyone
Yes and what this anon says , they build the foundation to an amazing mystery, but failed to make it end in a satisfying way. Still worth the watch though. Best thing out of Netflix for sure.
>but failed to make it end in a satisfying way.
You mean they failed to cater to your headcanon?
exactly
season 3 was going off the idea that time travel currently isn't possible, but if it were made possible, it would only be possible to travel in the periods after it was made possible. tanhaus caused a little big bang, creating multiple universes where time travel was possible, that kept spawning more and more universes as minor variations in each "time loop" due to the uncertainty principle.
Yes, but for some reason it's apparently very hard to understand if you're American.
I'm American and it's not. It got super complicated near the end. I also didn't make a fricking diagram until after. I don't need to know exactly how everyone relates. I understood most of it though just by thinking about it as i watched it. I think that feeling of being spaghetti towards the end just adds to how fricked up it is. I also watched with subtitles because dubs suck.
>I'm American and it's not.
Good for you, but in my experience, you're a rare exception.
>It got super complicated near the end.
Not that complicated, actually. Moreso than the beginning, but if you know some of the scientific models that they're spoofing (or nodding to) in the last few episodes, it's actually quite easy to keep track of and rather amusing where they take them.
I meant complicated in the relationships. I forgot a few names and faces. They made enough of the relationships pretty apparent. Most people aren't going to be able to tell you the specifics about everything until they watch it again or make a diagram of the tree. I did make a diagram and i also rewatched it because i was learning German at the time. I thought it was a cool show. German media is pretty interesting.
It was good but towards the end the writers kinda gave up.
>ich habe Sneed gepostet
>in deine welt
>und in meine
watch the first season and leave it at that, it gets progressively shittier with each season
as others have said it's one of the best ever, and ignore the morons who trash season 3 it's just as good as 1 and 2 and the ending is very satisfying.
This is a huge cope, the ending was trash. WOW IT NEVER HAPPEND!!!
brainlet take
you didn't understand the third season.
This post is the most American thing I've seen in a while.
>ending very satisfying
>a LITERAL deus ex machina
>Claudia knowing EXACTLY how shit happens and how to solve it for absolutely no fricking reason
>ending takes away the story from the main characters we know and love for 3 season and makes it so some random ass side character is actually the source of the entire thing
yeah no frick off. writers wrote themselves to a corner and has no idea how to resolve everything. many such cases!
>this casual time travel character starts figuring out there is a problem with another character's theory that can't be reconciled within his theory
>she then "immediately" shows up with the answer and how to solve it
bruh its a time travel show.
>for absolutely no fricking reason
Maybe you should have paid more attention? Like, to the dialogue even? I get that you probably had to read subtitles, but reading isn't as hard as you make it out to be.
Claudia killed the Eva version of herself then played both sides to get the full story. It made complete sense.
Not only that, but she was also the only one who communicated with her younger version frequently (and openly, without lying), the only actual scientist among the travelers, and the only one in possession of a very specific notebook at the "end" of the cycle.
>and makes it so some random ass side character is actually the source of the entire thing
it was always hinted at, from episode 1
moron
Not worth it. Gets too convoluted in the end. I was so annoyed with the whole thing I didn't even watch the last episode. Only watch if you like to see German girls cry.
>Gets too convoluted in the end. I was so annoyed with the whole thing I didn't even watch the last episode.
You should've stuck with Nickelodeon shows
overrated slop, only brainlets think this is somehow a high iq story. Certainly from season 3 onwards it becomes laughably bad with plot holes in it wider than your moms vegana.
>only brainlets think this is somehow a high iq story.
Only "brainlets" like yourself categorize stories in terms of "high iq" or "low iq".
>from season 3 onwards
You realize that season 3 is where it ends, right? Nothing comes after it. There is no "onwards".
the beginning of season 3 to the end you nitwit. Season 2 already went downhill. It's only plot writing in season 3. God forbid our characters make sound and logical decisions.
>the beginning of season 3 to the end
That's not how you use the word "onwards". But we've already established that you're American.
>God forbid our characters make sound and logical decisions.
So, you're complaining that the characters aren't "logical", the other guy in here is complaining that nothing is "unpredictable" enough. Maybe you two should argue a bit. You'd probably also make for a good comedy duo - "Dumb and Dumber" ... wait, I think that name's already in use.
It's for the same crowd that thinks Rick and Morty is le intellectual cartoon
Dark was far less gay than Rick and Morty.
No one thinks that, child.
who made the sphere time travel device? I either totally missed that or they snuck it in season 3 because there's far less emphasis on it versus the tanhaus machine
claudia did
They never outright say, but it seems rather obvious, considering it's the only time-travel device that exists in Eva's world, and only there.
and there was no tanhaus in eva's world.
Why wouldn't there be a Tannhaus? Pretty much everyone had a counterpart over there (with the obvious exception), especially those who already existed before the "split". And there was Charlotte in Eva's 2019. Where do you think she grew up?
Each generation the time machine gets more slick.
Who invented time travel? Obviously Tanhaus did originally. But in both universes they exist in a world where he did not and some sort of paradox knot self invents it. He learns about time travel machines from time travelers and repairs them according to their schematics. It seems like Noah is trying to develop one in a rough process throughout the decades as the original, but I never caught how the room turns into a fully functional device - if it did.
The two worlds didn't need anyone to invent it. There didn't need to be an event where it came to be, because time travel was inherent to both of those worlds. They only came to be because of the idea of "what if time travel existed", so they came with time travel already being a thing.
>It seems like Noah is trying to develop one in a rough process throughout the decades
Noah tries to build a specific device - one that is needed for Helge to travel and to keep the status quo intact - but not invent time travel itself. Noah already knew time travel existed before he started the chair experiments. In fact, he himself had been travelling back and forth for over three decades at that point in his life.
absolutely K I N O opening titles
I refuse to watch dubbed movies/tv shows. Hate foreign films so fricking much and wish Netflix would stop fricking suggesting them.
>I refuse to watch dubbed movies/tv shows.
Then don't watch them dubbed, moron.
>just learn nazi german disgusting sounding language bro
No. English is the only language on Earth that matters
You're American, aren't you?
Better start learing Spanish then. Give it another 20 years and it'll be more relevant for you than English.
German really isn't that hard to learn. English is Germanic and German just has a shit ton of rules and many words don't have English versions because they fell out of use a long time ago when English was closer to German. I started learning German, i'm not fluent and i suck at it, but i have previous language experience with Spanish. You can start to see how German works structurally even without knowing most of the words. Sometimes English and German sound very similar.
5 minutes of each episode is dedicated to slightly advancing the main plot, the rest is meaningless dialogues between non characters that go nowhere
>advancing plot
>meaningless dialogues
This isn't capeshit, child. Have you ever been to a theatric play? By your standards, Shakespeare's work must be the most meaningless shit ever.
>durrrr me so smart cause I can watch shitty character interactions that go nowhere
Kys, this show is only good if you're a midwit who gets a hardon for managing to piece together mysteries such as "X and Y have the same last name, perhaps they are related"
So, let me ask you: At what point did you check out mentally and completely gave up on folloing what was going on? Episode 2?
I just thought it has a lot of things to set up or it's just a slow show, I'm on Episode 8 right now and barely anything has happened except kinda trivial drama between very one note characters, slow burning is one thing, 7 hours of content with barely anything substance in it is just not it
>7 hours of content with barely anything substance in it
Funny, because those first seven hours have basically 95% of all you need to understand the full story, provided you paid attention. Everything has already happened, you just don't know yet.
My problem isn't that I don't understand it my problem is that most of it is either "2 deep 4 u" type stuff or just dialogue that goes nowhere
>"2 deep 4 u" type stuff
Examples?
>dialogue that goes nowhere
That's the point though: It does go somewhere. Later. There's barely anyt dialogue that's not relevant again at some other point in the story, or at least alludes to something that will be relevant.
>examples
So far it's just a cliche time travel story with a bunch of dressing
>That's the point though: It does go somewhere. Later. There's barely anyt dialogue that's not relevant again at some other point in the story, or at least alludes to something that will be relevant.
You may be 100% correct, however it's been 7 fricking hours man can't I at least get some progression towards a conclusion? Hell I can summarize what has happened in the story in 2 or 3 sentences, that's not very good for this amount of screen time
>can't I at least get some progression towards a conclusion?
It is progressing. At least in terms of story revelations. For example, you didn't initially know why Helge was so traumatized and where his injury came from. Now, 8 episodes in, you know. Recognizing that Mikkel is Michael, getting to know his letter, that gave you a whole new perspective on Jonas' whole family situation. Episode 4 introduced Noah, some kind of antagonist with apparent ties to Charlotte and Elisabeth. The question of whether the past can be changed or not has come up, and (even if you might not have realized) a partial answer to that has already been given. All of that is story progress, and all of it is working towards a certain goal. All of the points that I mentioned will come up again, multiple times, and all contribute to the resolution of the story.
Maybe? Some of the characterization is a bit pointless because it reveals some "So what?" type reaction, though Mikkel being Michael was pretty neat. Perhaps I should give this show another try, hopefully it picks up a bit in the last episode/episodes of the season
In terms of stuff happening and the major characters being proactive, it picks up the moment Ulrich follows Helge into the cave (episode 7).
But don't expect non-stop action sequences. That's just not what Dark is.
Ì don't expect action sequences at all, just the plot not going at a snails pace and all the setup paying off at least to some degree
The pacing in the beginning is slow, arguably, to allow you to fully grasp the connections between the characters. Once things really get going, you're basically expected to know who's who and who's related to whom by heart. People have complained that seasons 2 and 3 were going so fast that they had problems following along, and most often that seems related to them not having understood the family trees back at the start. Season 3 in particular has so many people acting with and against each other, each with their own agenda, that following along requires a good understanding of their individual contexts and motivations.
Payoff to the mysteries comes in small doses throughout the story. And usually, the reveals are gradual, so that you can actually get the answers yourself if you pay enough attention, before they are spelt out. There is one particular episode towards the end that also fills in everything that hasn't outright been answered, but many of those answers are also possible to get to yourself before that episode.
you sound like a child. Stick to cartoons and capeshit.
Dialate
No
>character is on screen
>other character from a different timeline appears out of nowhere
>"hurr durrr you canz not chaeng liek the timeline and stuff"
>repeat over and over for all seasons
If you enjoy this shit then you'll enjoy it but otherwise the show is predictable and boring. morons in here only pretend to like it because it's in German though.
>predictable
I doubt you predicted either the ending of season 2 or of season 3. You most likely didn't even predict many of the smaller twists (identities, relationships) more than at most five before they were revealed.
Just pay fricking attention to the shit you watch, you fricking morons. For example, Ulrich's story was so fricking predictable and redundant with the older cop.
So, in other words, no, you didn't predict anything. You're even so fricking moronic that you thought any of the Ulrich/Egon scenes were meant to be "le epic twist". I guess that's what American television does to your brain.
Are you fricking moronic? If you think that's good storytelling then you know shit about it.
>If you think that's good storytelling
So you measure storytelling in terms of whether scenes, whose main purpose is to further character arcs, manage to be "unpredictable"?
You haven't ever read a book in your life, have you?
Yes, because that's the purpose of your entire audience for ALL media, you fricking autistic moron.
>that's the purpose of your entire audience
The purpose of my audience? WTF are you even trying to say here? An audience doesn't have a "purpose".
Maybe you wanted to say that scenes being unpredictable is their own purpose FOR an audience? If so, well, that's utterly ridiculous. Most stories aren't even mysteries. Nothing about, say, a romantic comedy is unpredictable.
For most things, being unpredictable would mean to be completely random and incoherent - i.e. actual bad writing.
homie, you're dense as frick. You do realize this shit is a piece of ENTERTAINMENT, right? There's literally a reason why nobody likes the last season because it's redundant and doesn't offer anything new, you dense moron.
Entertainment doesn't mean "muh unpredictable bullcrap". Go watch some capeshit series if you want that. I've heard this "Flash" US-superheroslop supposedly has time travel and is all over the place in terms of "predictability". You'll probably love that.
homie, you're seriously dense as frick.
>DARK
>predictable
lmao come on now
>is it worth watching?
only if you like pure unadulterated kino
I enjoyed it. I’ve watched it twice.
yes. its good
It's hard to watch a series in which you can't root or relate in some fashion to any of the characters
Everyone is either a whimp, a moron, or plain scum
And so are you. So why couldn't you relate?
>The characters in your show are trash...
>SO ARE YOU, WHY AREN'T YOU WATCHING MY SHOW
classic
Well, that argument went right over your head. Let me spell it out for you, little one:
People. Are. Trash.
All of them. Fictional ones. Actual ones. You. Me.
Every single human being is heavily flawed. Flaws are what makes fictional characters relatable to normal (and not so normal) readers/watchers. So don't complain about character being flawed. Good characters are supposed to be.
Incorrect.
To be flawed imply that there's something to uphold
This characters have nothing to uphold. If they are 100% "flawed", then that's not a flaw, that's just plain trash.
>This characters have nothing to uphold.
You apparently did not pay much attention. Or you're just shitposting. Not entirely sure which one, to be quite honest.
You serriously don't think someone like Jonas or Helge or Mikkel or Claudia has redeeming qualities?
No, they were all covering their own ass
>they were all covering their own ass
That has nothing to do with whether or not they have redeeming features.
I know
They didn't
Except they clearly did.
Jonas is a very devoted person. First to his family, in particular his father. Then to Martha. Then to stopping Adam. And finally to end it all. That is a particular strenght of character, quite literally.
Helge is someone who gets on the wrong path early in life, and due to his mental limitations and suffering from abuse (from his mother, from Ulrich, from Noah) doesn't manage to overcome his dependency on others. But once he does, he does so completely, goes 180 and does all he can to help Claudia against Noah/Adam, tries to warn people even as a dementia-riddled old man, and eventually goes back in time trying to stop his past self, no matter what it takes.
Mikkel, well, he doesn't ever do anything wrong on the large scale. You could argue that he might have neglected Hannah in the late 2010s when his trauma came back, or that he distanced himself too much from his real parents, closed himself off too much in general. But all of that is minor. He was a great father to Jonas, probably a good husband most of the time, and sacrificed himself for his son and for what he considered the bigger picture.
Lastly, Claudia is someone who did a lot of shady things, but she also did all of that to ultimately make things better for everyone, at least as she understood it. Her main motivation was her daughter (who she'd had a somewhat distanced relationshi to originally), and her method was analytical and straightforward. She's easily the most intelligent character in Dark, and the most hopeful (moreso than Jonas) and ultimately the one who solves the whole thing, not only saving Regina, but also giving Jonas, original Tannhaus and countless others exactly what they want.
I could do this for pretty much every character. They all have redeeming features.
All covering their own ass and ultimately a whimp, a moron, or plain scum
It doesn't matter if they "redeem", all fricking characters can't "redeem" that's fricking stupid
You can have one bad seed that redeems
If every character is shit and they all redeem and do cool shit at the end, that's just plain bad writing
What the frick is this, game of thrones?
>It doesn't matter if they "redeem", all fricking characters can't "redeem" that's fricking stupid
Do you even know what the verb "to redeem" means and how you use it? What you mean is the reflexive-intransitive version of it, "to redeem oneself".
Anyway, "redeeming qualities" means nothing other than "positive trait", you fricking moron. It doesn't mean they need to have a whole comprehensive redemption arc like some comic book villain. And, no, giving characters, even villains, such traits is not "plain bad writing". It's the very opposite. Even your fricking capeshit overlords at Disney know that their Thanos and Whatshisname need some personal justifications and slightly sympathetic character traits to not come across as one-dimensional. But apparently, one-dimensional characters are what you consider good writing.
season 1 yes
after its kind of meh
You're American, right?
>it's all a cycle you can escape it!
>until BASED STRONG AND INDEPENDENT granny decides to break the cycle because she wants to
Speedwatching much?
Also, you meant to write "cannot" rather then the very opposite of it.
Ultimate fist bump?
No.
It's drab and boring.
It has this constant feel of importance to it that I heavely despise in a show.
It's like someone made Twin Peaks, removed all the humor and weirdness, made it all about the supernatural element and put a greyish-blue filter on it while filming the German woods.
If you want to look solemly at 2 deep 4 u wank this is the show for you.
t. german
No. It starts off kind of interesting but then you immediately learn that Germans are terrible storytellers, it isn't thrilling or exciting. It just drones on and on.
The finale was laughable
>Germans are terrible storytellers
>whereas US Americans are famous for their unmatched storytelling in capeshit and blockbusters
Yeah. Right.
99% of the best shows and movies in history are from the US, moron.
Well, at least you're not trying to hide that you're just shitposting.
Are you fricking moronic or simply contrarian?
>contrarian
Ah, yes, reddit's favourite buzzword.
I do kinda enjoy obvious trolls like yourself.
So you're just a moron.
I'm not American btw, I single out Germans because of the robotic dialogue and insistence on giving logical explanations. Nothing is left to the imagination and for a mystery/thriller type show that ends up dulling things quickly. It's always the same with German cinema, snoozefests.
I also watched this which I'm now learning was from the same people. My criticisms of this show were mostly the same, they have everyone speaking different languages and don't utilise this for any purpose and hint toward something interesting, then immediately spoil that with the dullest explanation.
Has been a while since i watched it
The incest plotline was kind of fricked up
I have the entire first season of 1899 but i dont feel like watching it because i know it will never have a ending.
>I single out Germans because of the robotic dialogue and insistence on giving logical explanations. Nothing is left to the imagination and for a mystery/thriller type show that ends up dulling things quickly
Damn, you nailed it. German mystery thriller appears kino to the most autistic among us
> Americans only make capeshit and blockbusters
Sounds like you have a skill issue friend
Well, yes, the overwhelming majority of American cinema (and television) is just that.
Don't expect others to judge your whole "culture" on the rare film festival entry or experimental short.
>Nothing is left to the imagination and for a mystery/thriller type show that ends up dulling things quickly.
Sounds like a you-problem. Mysteries traditionally end with explanations, sometimes very detailled and elaborate ones. Ever read Agatha Christie? As for thrillers? You should probably watch Psycho or Vertigo and witness the literal info-dumps they both have right in their last three minutes.
>Sounds like a you-problem. Mysteries traditionally end with explanations
There's the problem, they should end with explanation. It's been a while since I've seen this show but I remember when it begins with a bunch of too obvious mysteries but then it begins the process of explaining them from the second episode all the way until the ending.
We need to then endure 3 seasons of watching literally every member of the cast learning things that we already know.
There is not a coherent story that is fun to watch, there is no emotional stakes because I don't care about any of these characters. It is devoid of fun.
You hate American cinema so much but Dark gets absolutely mogged by something like Season 1 of Stranger Things because it focuses on it's characters and story first, rather than the mechanics of it's sci-fi/horror elements.
>begins the process of explaining them from the second episode
Which supposed mystery does it explain in episode 2? What do you consider mysteries or expanations in the first place?
>learning things that we already know.
There's very little that the characters learn that the audience can possibly know. Most often it's the other way around.
>There is not a coherent story that is fun to watch
The story is extremely coherent, moreso than most stories out there. If you don't have fun, well, again, a you-problem.
>no emotional stakes because I don't care about any of these characters
See above.
>gets absolutely mogged by something like Season 1 of Stranger Things
Now this is astonishing. You seem to have really bad taste and extremely warped standards for what constitutes a "coherent story" or relatable characters with "emotional stakes".
Were you on the writing team? I've never seen somebody get so emotional and defensive of a TV show
He's just an autistic moron, just ignore him.
No, I just understand how storytelling works. Unlike you, it seems, since you cannot even simple questions.
Why are you so emotional when it comes to shitting on a TV show anyway?
Frick off already, autist. Your show isn't perfect, deal with it.
>isn't perfect
Nice strawman. Also, please stop replying to every post of mine and every post that is a reply to me with petty insults. As that is not only actual (clinically) autistic behaviour, but also extremely annoying behaviour that just fills this thread with this completely worthless drivel of yours.
Frick off already, autist.
Dark sucks. Cope.
It was rather formulaic. But they did a formula+1 which was cool.
The overall execution was immaculate.
Also the German babes.
yeap. a solid 7.5-8/10 imo.
so did they truly fix it in the end or nah?
nope, it got broken to pieces in s3 and the finale shattered it all into a fine dust
>fix it
Fix what?
There was only one thing that needed to be changed, and it was changed. You saw that much on screen.
>Fix what?
the broken universe shit my homie, what else?
>broken universe shit
You're not making much sense. There is no "broken universe".
They destroyed all the other timelines which is why they disappeared.
S1 is worth it, no more after that. You get heavy atmosphere, soapy drama of multiple family bs in 3 different eras. Similar sets in different timeline is great for art direction fans. Acting has nordic angst
Season 3 was kinda weak the rest is all kino.
The last episode passed me off. The Tannhaus crash should have been caused by Jonas and Martha showing up in the road in first place. It would have completed the loop. Then they just run off to live in the original timeline.
S1 and S2 were entertaining, it keeps you wanting to binge the whole thing, then the final season comes and it has so many plot holes that you gotta force suspension of disbelief in order to enjoy it. And even then, the message is kinda cliche.
So it’s like someone taking you on a 20 hour walk to show you a dog turd.
>so many plot holes
Kek. CinemaSins watcher detected.
>Plot holes didn’t exist as a valid criticism before cinemasins
You’re not as smart as you think you are lol
"Plot holes" is what Hitchwiener called "fridge logic" as far back as the late 1950s, and he ridiculed uneducated critics who thought themselves clever for picking apart plotlines while ignoring the actual substance of the story. So, you are right, that kind of critique has existed for a long time. But it never got taken seriously until youtubers made it mainstream and morons like yourself adopted that brainless approach to media (il)literacy.
If you weren’t an 110 IQ midwit you’d have realized that my criticism wasn’t just about the plot holes themselves but how glaring and numerous they were to the point of taking the audience out of it, especially in a show that is mainly about drawing them in.
>while ignoring the actual substance of the story
That’s why I added that the substance of the story was shit and cliché.
So even when you try to nitpick a single director as the absolute authority on this topic, you failed.
>my criticism wasn’t just about the plot holes themselves but how glaring and numerous they were
Exactly, you don't just complain about "muh plotholes", you have that particular kind of autism where you start counting them. That's why I namedropped CinemaSins, who did exactly that. Apparently you think that makes it better rather than way worse.
>taking the audience out of it
Don't project your own autism on general audiences.
>the substance of the story was shit and cliché.
What do you think the substance of Dark was, if I may ask?
>where you start counting them.
Its less about counting them and more about how you’re hit with so many nonsensical and illogical things that it just becomes a jumbled mess of trash. Suspension of disbelief gets more strict the longer you spend watching something, the more you learn about the universe’s rules the more obvious it is that the writers are frauds.
But for your 110 IQ midwit brain, you can only disingenuously say “hurr CinemaSins therefore your entire criticism is invalid durr”
>Don't project your own autism on general audiences.
Wrong. It’s really common knowledge that people felt this way about S3.
>What do you think the substance of Dark was, if I may ask?
Shit
>you’re hit with so many nonsensical and illogical things
You sound like someone who cannot let go of preconceived notions and considers anything that doesn't conform to his own headcanon as "nonsensical", and as a result takes personal offense.
I'm curious, can you name one or two such things that irked you. Because I have a feeling that none of them are actually inconsistent within the context of the story.
>It’s really common knowledge that people felt this way about S3.
Nope. A handful of very obnoxious posters on this capeshit board do. And very very few of the people who react to it on youtube - the more moronic portion of them.
Frick off already, autist
Yeah Im not reading all of that. We’re going in circles because you just can’t admit your favorite show sucks. Sad!
Sad indeed, that you give up the argument the moment you get pressed for examples for your bullshit claims. Should have expected that you're not actually being serious here.
I’m sure he left because there are no examples of this show having internal inconsistencies. You people are actually delusional, Jesus Christ.
Well, there certainly aren't any that he can name.
Not because Dark is perfect, but because he's a fricknig troll who might not even have watched it.
It's pretty great up until the end which was a big disappointment compared to the rest of the show.
I know this same thing was said before in the thread, I'm just adding another voice of agreement.
>a big disappointment
What did you expect?
Everybody agrees on that except for the autistic German in this thread that hates American media.
>Everybody agrees
A handful of spammers agree, who all turned on Dark the moment it had finished airing and haven't stopped embarassing themselves since by butting into every single thread about it where posters just want to discuss things.
It's a fricking tv show, moron. Unless you're a shill you only look like a pathetic moron defending a fricking tv show of all things.
Case in point, spammer.
Nice autism, moron.
Nah it's just euroslop
I loved it until I didn't, and it was the last season that just made me lose interest. I would still say it's worth watching.
my boy Jonas will be born in the original world. He won
as others have said the show can blueball you, but for me that made the payoffs hit even harder. Theres some really emotionally devestating scenes throughout the show that hit me right in the feels like no show has ever done before.
I reccomend it to anyone that doesn't have zoomer teir attention span, if you don't pay attention to every scene you will lose track of the story. that alone makes it kino as it filters out brainlets.
Second watch is even better since you can see the way everything ties together from the very start, one of the handful of netflix shows worth watching
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One of the very few things on Nigflix worth watching
It's great. The ending is kinda shit but it's still worth watching. I dont know if the site is still active, but netflix had a timeline tracker that made the show easier to follow.
Watched the first episode and it was just stupidly edgy and grim.
You just don't understand German sitcoms.
guys don't bully germs for their artistic failings too much, they might decide to become a politician
See
, historylet.
Imagine being this pedantic all to defend some gay ass german show lol
>being this pedantic
Sorry, I have a very low tolerance for bullshit. Especially on a capeshit board like Cinemaphile that is overrun by extremely moronic trolls - and some even more moronic posters who are actually serious.
STFU
this show would've been good if it only had a one main character
if you refuse to read subtitles, you got filtered
if you believe in free will, you got filtered
>if you believe in free will
I do believe in free will, anon, but that's not my fault. I'm ultimately determined to.
of course it's not your fault
ich dachte ich hätte noch zeit ;_;
Genaugenommen hast du noch 274 posts Zeit.