I liked how the characters are best friends yet don’t like each other, know each other, or have anything in common. And the fat depressed miserable manlet goblin that steals from his own mom gets the with the smart cute girl because he’s an alcoholic that knows a few things about wine. KEK. What an abomination.
The reveal at the end that they were just college roommates and have basically forced their friendship ever since. I do think that Maya is too hot for Miles, but so what? She fell in love with the potential he had, which is basically the point of the movie
Do you know how many friendships continue just from knowing a person during a formative period in life? Close friendships are generally not forged later in life, they almost always come from adolescence or college. Two college roommates having nothing in common outside golf and still being friends in their 40s isn't remotely a stretch.
There were redditors before Reddit, they just didn’t know where to congregate. They usually hung out at truck stops and high way restrooms and phish concerts.
Or you're just zoomers who don't know what the internet was like before it was pozzed. Imma go with that, fr fr
There were redditors before Reddit, they just didn’t know where to congregate. They usually hung out at truck stops and high way restrooms and phish concerts.
nonredditors can use reddit. redditors can not use reddit. redditor is a type of person that generally (but not always) coincides with a person that would, given the opportunity, join the post-digg-ver4 reddit echo chamber.
Merlot was a massively popular grape in California that pretty much was the only wine people bought in the US which meant standards became pretty poor to meet demand so when Sideways came out it did hurt sales but also prompted vineyards to up their quality
One of the best movies of the 2000s. Pretty close to a perfect film tbh senpai, and the movie where Payne moved away from only having contempt for his characters and started having some affection for them as well. I think a large part of that was due to the chance of when they were filming - they scouted locations in the winter when the vines are all dead and Payne loved the idea of how desolate everything looked, but they filmed in summer and everything was lush and gorgeous and really changed the mood of the film.
Side note: I married a girl from Santa Ynez as well and it has been crazy to see how much the valley changed as a result of that film.
Some dude on YouTube went to every location in the movie and did a comparison, down to the hotel room they stayed in. Pretty weird but it was interesting to see which places closed down
I go up there a few times a year because my mother in law is still there. Food has gotten better and is now good, though the charm of solvang as super kitchy and the wineries just being farmers and winemakers who made decent wine but weren't super commercial/moneyed is largely gone. Win some lose some. Better wine is another hundred miles north in Paso but they've gotten bigger too.
I have it on DVD but can't bring myself to watch it. The clips I've seen give me he's literally me vibes and I just end up pausing it and pacing the room
I remember I fell asleep to the DVD once so this song played on the menu the entire night as I slept. I feel like I’m going to go insane anytime I hear it now
>depressed >massive failure who squandered my talents and opportunities >have no real friends >can't connect with anyone >put up a front to hide my failings >feels like the walls are closing in around me >know it's only a matter of time before I'm found out
If that doesn't sum up Giamattis character then maybe I'll give it a shot
I remember a Sideways thread about a month ago where some anon was losing his mind over how awful this movie was because the guy was a cuck. That scene where he is fricking his wife literally ruined the movie for him and he was so angry about it
I remember a Sideways thread about a month ago where some anon was losing his mind over how awful this movie was because the guy was a cuck. That scene where he is fricking his wife literally ruined the movie for him and he was so angry about it
The scene where the cuck chases them down the street nude was shot in a real neighborhood, they just told everyone to stay inside for 10 minutes.
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Yeah I forget where I saw it but someone posted online a picture they took out their window of them shooting the scene
5 months ago
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Nevermind, it was literally in this video
https://youtu.be/Ube3cjEdjCc?si=b-XjXcZEzN242BPf
Here’s the video if anyone wants it. I wish I had a nerdy wife and friends that would be willing to do this shit with me
It was based on Cracker Barrel, all the waitresses look exactly like that. If you’ve never been kicked out of Cracker Barrel with your friends after a long night of drinking Merlot, you haven’t lived.
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No, it was not based on Cracker Barrel. It was AJ Spurs, a real restaurant in Buellton about a block away from the Hitching Post where the eat the rest of their meals.
With the exception of Frass Canyon, every location/place they go to in the movie is real. Frass Canyon was based on the Fess Parker winery, although Fess Parker wines are not the trash of Frass Canyon in the movie.
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>a real restaurant
oh damn, some anon earlier said it wasn't real.
sure enough it's in this video
https://youtu.be/Ube3cjEdjCc?si=b-XjXcZEzN242BPf
Here’s the video if anyone wants it. I wish I had a nerdy wife and friends that would be willing to do this shit with me
at 14 minutes
5 months ago
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Ok whatever then cracker barrel was based on AJ Spurrs
5 months ago
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Does Fess Parker have a douchebag singing and playing guitar?
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Not that I recall but I haven't been there in a decade or so. They did have a nice port-style wine when I was there; the rest was fine but not exceptional.
I'm a full blown alcoholic and can't drink wine at all. Gives me terrible headaches, can't even eat stuff cooked with it
Different folks respond differently. An old acquaintance of mine could drink tons of red wine with no ill effects, but whisky would give him a headache the next day. I'm lucky (I suppose) that I can drink everything without feeling poorly later.
The fact that Giamatti wasn’t even nominated for Best actor but his two costars were up for supporting is fricked up. Johnny Depp got nominated over Pauly G
Maybe they’ll give it to him this year as a makeup for that but I’m sure Cillian will win
These two comedians talk about this movie constantly and love it but they say the biggest flaw of the movie is when Jack’s character says something foul about getting laid in front of a kid and the dad goes >could you keep it down, buddy?
or something
It’s such a nit picky thing but they say it’s such a corny thing to add
Joe list is semi funny on YKWD but he's a hack who doesn't stop doing airplane jokes like a hack. That other guy isn't greg stone is it? Hope not because he's a literal reddit gay who still buys and obsesses over collectible capeshit figures.
nah, it's Raanan Hershberg. It's weird because they both like kino like Sideways but then Joe's favorite movies are like Forrest Gump, Field of Dreams, Godfather, etc. He also fricking hates the Sopranos
Thomas Hayden Church kind of gave me the creeps when he told Miles he was going home with the bbq waitress. Something about how he delivered the lines about how he needed to do it came off like a sociopath
i really want to love election but it's actually horrible in like invisibly small ways. maybe intentionally horrible and uncomfortable. the actual photography is weird like extra ancient cameras with expired film stock that doesn't match the lighting at all. the cinematography feels like a mismatched documentary style with a bunch of weird close ups and follow shots. the voiceover stuff is good for characterization but fricks the pacing and isn't really necessary. i want to love it but kind of hate it 4/10
and like the ugly late-70s/early-80s set dressing everywhere. it's clear it's supposed to feel awful to watch, all of the characters are just grotesque too. i dont know why it doesn't click.
guarantee both of these get pushed harder around the Oscars if he's the favorite for best adapted screenplay
>“Alexander had a problem with me.” In addition to pushing back against the paperwork, Hughes explains, “I had the nerve to send a whole script to a minor. Sending scripts to the cast was part of my job, but he didn’t want the minor’s family to read the script. He didn’t want the parents to back out because of the scene of the actors watching porn or the lesbian relationship in the movie. Which is what happened.”
>“‘Tell me Jake made you do it,’” Payne allegedly began. “His tone was terse,” Hughes writes. “I imagined his temples sweating and his thick, black-rimmed glasses sliding down his hot face. ‘Do what?’ I asked. I had no idea what he was fuming about. ‘Send the script. Tell me Jake made you do it.’
“Looking back, I know at this moment everyone else would have said, ‘Yes, Jake made me do it’; would have told the up-and-coming director that their tormentor told them to do it. I could’ve made myself the hero. I could have moved up the food chain and saved myself. I wish I had said yes. But I thought the truth mattered. I didn’t want to join in the blame game. ‘No, he didn’t,’ I whispered. ‘Who the frick do you think you are?’ Alexander cursed me out for a good minute or two. He called me every nasty derogatory term and anything else his quick wit thought of. He drowned me under his tidal wave of rage. Calm came over my mind as my body began to shake with fear and fury and inferiority. I kept my voice flat. ‘I’m going to have to stop you there,’ I said. ‘No one talks to me that way.’ ‘Frick you,’ the director said.”
Quite good. Giamati is excellent as you would expect, and the new kid who plays the main character is also very good. Comfy 70s-kino core. Not as good as Sideways, but still better than 95% of everything else that is released these days.
>Giamati
how does he fricking do it. every time he shows up its like "heyyy its that guy" and i end up liking the movie. he looks ugly, his parts are usually dumb, but the motherfricker pulls it off. how.
kino, like good books, invite revisiting because they hit you different whenever you are in your life. first time i watched it alone, unemployed after flunking college, i almost offed myself (loved it tho). second time i watched with my gf while vacationing in wine country and i appreciated it in a whole different way. like they say no man washes himself in the same river twice
me and my bros are milesish also and when we go up north together we like to put this on on a hot summer day and drink wine. it's sorta depressing but comfy
Watching this now. I remember liking it as a kid but I have a feeling I'll find it depressing at this age :(.
another rewatch down and i dont even see anything depressing in it. there's just a slow and steady incline in giamati's character from the halfway point on. sure he starts neghead as frick but once he gets his joint worked on he beelines straight to healthy mental state. miles and jack start really being a cohesive unit and shit >no hesitation fricking with golf course bullies >completely reasonable lying to each other about dumb shit thats their own fault >miles fricking loses it at running through ostrich farm story >commando cuck raid >doesnt freak out at all about destroying his car, just broken wine bottles
the wedding resolution is fricking stronk, breaks his special occasion wine open and writes a magic fricking letter. pure kino ending.
I remember a bunch of self-styles wine aficianados becoming obsessed with pinot noir as a result of this film.
fair enough. its just layering alcohol, a literal poison with things to mask its taste. its all fake to begin with. someone mixing their vodka with faygo and something huffing their own farts about the earthy taste of some rotten grapes
It's not layering anything else on top of the alcohol; that's not how it works. Layering things on top of alcohol is what you do to distilled spirits, or to something like sangria. Wine itself (if it is good and well-made) is delicious as is and doesn't have flavor additives.
I watched a documentary about making sake and one of the japs opened a bottle of wine for the other workers to try and they thought it tasted like sour, spoiled grape juice. Sake is also poison with stuff to mask the taste, but I thought it was interesting to see how people who aren’t from a traditional wine country described it.
This brewery was a bit more modern than that, but still did most of it by hand.
re: japs and wine, when they do get into it, they go completely overboard like they seem to do when they get into any hobby. I’m talking sommelier courses in France level.
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yeah japs do cuisine big, go nuts for that sort of thing. i am not a sake man but a weeb friend shared some higher end bottle and it was very nearly neutral flavored. very nearly nothin at all, even alcohol slips in unnoticed.
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High end sake is pretty smooth. I’m lucky to have been able to taste some of it because I have a sake fan relative, but not into alcohol enough to really notice a difference between the different brands I tasted. Anyway, my relative claims that he doesn’t get a hangover from sake.
was Jack being sincere when he was crying to Miles about how he knows he's a frick up and that his wife means everything to him or just trying to manipulate him? i've heard people say the latter but i always assumed it was a moment of sincerity where deep down he knows he's a piece of shit and can't lose this perfect woman
I read it as sincerity, or at least as being sincere in the moment. When Maya gets mad at Miles for all the things Jack was saying to Stephanie, Miles says that he probably meant it all at the time, and Jack probably did. He's an expression of unconstrained id, going where the moment takes him. The only time I think Jack is insincere is when he makes sarcastic happy/yes faces at Miles for being a dweeb.
jack was always sincere he just didnt have enough forethought to realize loving one woman means ruining his other life. he can delude himself into believing any life that suits him at the time.
Jack was more in love with the excitement of fricking as many women as possible. You think he actually might love the chick in the bar where he says he "went deep", and then says he's going to sue her ass when she beats him up. The dude is more of a trainwreck than Miles honestly
the ending really sticks the landing for me too. knowing that she actually cared enough to read his book and liked it, but we don't really know if they'll be together forever.
One of the best changes from the book though the book is dogshit. The most glaring example for me of the film adaptation being so, so much better than the book.
I dont recall the book ending, but in general it was a poorly written author self-insert book trying to make the author (Rex Pickett) look cooler than he was. They excised a part where Myles goes boar hunting in the middle of the night with some rednecks, and they made Myles a teacher from San Diego instead of a Hollywood screenwriter from LA. All the changes were positive and significant improvements, especially making Myles more of a sad sack (the Giamati casting upset Pickett too because he thinks he is significantly better looking).
I will say Pickett got screwed over by his publisher when they didn't make any real effort to promote the book after the movie became a hit, but Rex is also a bitter crank who is full of himself, generally dissatisfied with life, and honestly a very mediocre writer overall.
>especially making Myles more of a sad sack
Movie Miles is infinitely more likeable, you actually care about him even if he is a self-sabotaging dick and you want things to go well for him. I hated Book Miles. >Rex is also a bitter crank who is full of himself, generally dissatisfied with life, and honestly a very mediocre writer overall.
He's a garbage writer. He's lucky that someone saw potential in his novel and was able to mine the gold from the crap. Sideways is a fantastic movie that came from a subpar novel. >(the Giamati casting upset Pickett too because he thinks he is significantly better looking
He's probably right there but it's not like he's a male model or anything and Miles wouldn't be likeable without Paul Giamatti's performance (and the script changes). Out of interest who did he want cast to play his superlicious self insert?
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>Alexander Payne was flying back from Edinburgh, where he had been at a film festival promoting Election (1999), when he finally had a chance to read Rex Pickett's book Sideways. As soon as he landed, Payne ran to a pay phone to call his agent about purchasing the rights. He later told Pickett he liked his novel because his characters were "so fricking pathetic."
pretty funny that Payne thought this way about the characters out of the gate and somehow tweaked them to be a little less pathetic
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>pretty funny that Payne thought this way about the characters out of the gate and somehow tweaked them to be a little less pathetic
He definitely understands that it's about the characters and more than Pickett does, hence why he gets rid of that unnecessary party in the beginning and gets straight to Miles and Jack on the road. I also think he understands that it's fine to tell a story about pathetic characters but for one that people will actually be interested in they need to care about the characters too.
Well deserved Oscar for his script. He saw potential in the story and actually crafted it.
He's not crushed by Victoria's revelation that she's pregnant and Maya shows up at the wedding and they leave together with her saying they don't belong there.
i suppose him not being upset by her being pregnant would be the cliche character arc but not realistic from what happens in the movie. If Maya had been with him at the wedding already, maybe that would be more believable that he was finally moving on
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She doesn't come with him to the wedding she just shows up. He doesn't get a message from Mia on the phone, he talks with her directly and she says he's not ready for a relationship because he's hung up on his ex but she might come to the wedding. It comes off as way more cliched. It's still clearly supposed to be optimistic but it's executed so much better in the film. Imo in the novel it comes off as saccharine and manufactured plus you don't really care because book Miles is a wienerhead.
Watching this now. I remember liking it as a kid but I have a feeling I'll find it depressing at this age :(.
Wrapped up too. Wish it made me feel better. Gonna try some other movies I also liked at the time, 'I Heart Huckabees' is next :p >Half my life is over, and I have nothing to show for it. Nothing. I’m a thumbprint on the window of a skyscraper. I’m a smudge of excrement on a tissue surging out to sea with a million tons of raw sewage.
I just watched this the other week after watching The Holdovers and man Alexander Payne is such a good director I hope he just makes another movie with Paul Giamatti again.
This time my biggest revelation was how much of a nice body Sandra Oh had. I finally understood why Hollywood liked her in the first place a true Asian Butterface.
I liked how the characters are best friends yet don’t like each other, know each other, or have anything in common. And the fat depressed miserable manlet goblin that steals from his own mom gets the with the smart cute girl because he’s an alcoholic that knows a few things about wine. KEK. What an abomination.
When a moron thinks they know it all
capitalizing "kek" (or even saying kek in current year) is a tell-tale sign of a weird post-election boomer poster
The reveal at the end that they were just college roommates and have basically forced their friendship ever since. I do think that Maya is too hot for Miles, but so what? She fell in love with the potential he had, which is basically the point of the movie
the depiction of their friendship is incredibly realistic
That's basically exactly how friendships turn out over time
I never liked any of my friends and they never liked me but them's the breaks, kid
Do you know how many friendships continue just from knowing a person during a formative period in life? Close friendships are generally not forged later in life, they almost always come from adolescence or college. Two college roommates having nothing in common outside golf and still being friends in their 40s isn't remotely a stretch.
>im not drinking any fricking Merlot!
I used to think it was Mer-LOT till you told me it's NOT
Winemakers were pissed because a bunch of redditors stopped buying merlot after this movie, lol.
Reddit wasn’t even up when this movie came out you moron
Redditor type people predate the existence of Reddit.
Or you're just zoomers who don't know what the internet was like before it was pozzed. Imma go with that, fr fr
There were redditors before Reddit, they just didn’t know where to congregate. They usually hung out at truck stops and high way restrooms and phish concerts.
>They usually hung out at truck stops and high way restrooms and phish concerts.
nonredditors can use reddit. redditors can not use reddit. redditor is a type of person that generally (but not always) coincides with a person that would, given the opportunity, join the post-digg-ver4 reddit echo chamber.
>nonredditors can use reddit
and straight men can suck dick
so your straight, huh
Reddit is a personality type you dipshit
Yeah, and I’m sure you call things Reddit in real life too
The super rare wine that he drinks from a paper cup at the end is a Merlot.
It’s a blend, doesn’t count
So how much was that bottle worth?
I just looked up prices of a Cheval Blanc, 1961 and they vary from 5k-10k a bottle
That's at retail but you can check historic prices at winebid.com. Most old vintages aren't bought at retail these days w/ some exceptions.
Merlot was a massively popular grape in California that pretty much was the only wine people bought in the US which meant standards became pretty poor to meet demand so when Sideways came out it did hurt sales but also prompted vineyards to up their quality
Think he'd judge me even harsher for liking Syrah.
>you can choose to be less hostile
Paul Giamatti is a national treasure
He was gigakino in John Adams.
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> John "The Quaker Breaker" Adams
I would goon with Paul Giamati no lie
Wish I had the full commentary track because the clips are so kino. Here are the two leads talking about Virginia Madsen’s breasts:
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vm is an incredibly beautiful woman
Agreed. Kino body too so I don’t blame her for talking about it
>Don't you just want to feel that cozy little box grip down on your johnson?
One of the best movies of the 2000s. Pretty close to a perfect film tbh senpai, and the movie where Payne moved away from only having contempt for his characters and started having some affection for them as well. I think a large part of that was due to the chance of when they were filming - they scouted locations in the winter when the vines are all dead and Payne loved the idea of how desolate everything looked, but they filmed in summer and everything was lush and gorgeous and really changed the mood of the film.
Side note: I married a girl from Santa Ynez as well and it has been crazy to see how much the valley changed as a result of that film.
Some dude on YouTube went to every location in the movie and did a comparison, down to the hotel room they stayed in. Pretty weird but it was interesting to see which places closed down
I go up there a few times a year because my mother in law is still there. Food has gotten better and is now good, though the charm of solvang as super kitchy and the wineries just being farmers and winemakers who made decent wine but weren't super commercial/moneyed is largely gone. Win some lose some. Better wine is another hundred miles north in Paso but they've gotten bigger too.
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Here’s the video if anyone wants it. I wish I had a nerdy wife and friends that would be willing to do this shit with me
I have it on DVD but can't bring myself to watch it. The clips I've seen give me he's literally me vibes and I just end up pausing it and pacing the room
I remember I fell asleep to the DVD once so this song played on the menu the entire night as I slept. I feel like I’m going to go insane anytime I hear it now
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I remember this story from a previous Sideways thread! Legit hilarious
Why though
>depressed
>massive failure who squandered my talents and opportunities
>have no real friends
>can't connect with anyone
>put up a front to hide my failings
>feels like the walls are closing in around me
>know it's only a matter of time before I'm found out
If that doesn't sum up Giamattis character then maybe I'll give it a shot
Where are you at anon? If you want I'll join you on a trip to wine country and we can reenact Jack and Miles' adventures.
Which one of you anons will frick a chubby chick in the ass from a BBQ spot?
I remember a Sideways thread about a month ago where some anon was losing his mind over how awful this movie was because the guy was a cuck. That scene where he is fricking his wife literally ruined the movie for him and he was so angry about it
Me because I am successful and anon is the Giamatti character. Also AJ Spurs isn't really a BBQ place.
61 Cheval Blanc today is around $3000. At time of the movie it was around $500 though.
The scene where the cuck chases them down the street nude was shot in a real neighborhood, they just told everyone to stay inside for 10 minutes.
Yeah I forget where I saw it but someone posted online a picture they took out their window of them shooting the scene
Nevermind, it was literally in this video
Around 15 minutes
It was based on Cracker Barrel, all the waitresses look exactly like that. If you’ve never been kicked out of Cracker Barrel with your friends after a long night of drinking Merlot, you haven’t lived.
No, it was not based on Cracker Barrel. It was AJ Spurs, a real restaurant in Buellton about a block away from the Hitching Post where the eat the rest of their meals.
With the exception of Frass Canyon, every location/place they go to in the movie is real. Frass Canyon was based on the Fess Parker winery, although Fess Parker wines are not the trash of Frass Canyon in the movie.
>a real restaurant
oh damn, some anon earlier said it wasn't real.
sure enough it's in this video
at 14 minutes
Ok whatever then cracker barrel was based on AJ Spurrs
Does Fess Parker have a douchebag singing and playing guitar?
Not that I recall but I haven't been there in a decade or so. They did have a nice port-style wine when I was there; the rest was fine but not exceptional.
Different folks respond differently. An old acquaintance of mine could drink tons of red wine with no ill effects, but whisky would give him a headache the next day. I'm lucky (I suppose) that I can drink everything without feeling poorly later.
That’s basically why the movie gives me comfort because there is some hope for Miles even when he hits absolute rock bottom
You live in New York?
The fact that Giamatti wasn’t even nominated for Best actor but his two costars were up for supporting is fricked up. Johnny Depp got nominated over Pauly G
Maybe they’ll give it to him this year as a makeup for that but I’m sure Cillian will win
When i was a 14 i rented this because i wanted to be an adult and watch adult movies. I literally couldn't get through it.
You’d probably enjoy it a lot more now. I’m not sure if I’d enjoy it at 14 besides seeing that guy’s floppy dick bounce around
I watched it when I was 14 and it's still my favorite movie to this day
I've always wanted to go wine tasting since I saw sideways, just to hold my finger against my ear as I tasted the wine
You sound kind of nutty... Or maybe a bit cheesy like a nutty edam....
These two comedians talk about this movie constantly and love it but they say the biggest flaw of the movie is when Jack’s character says something foul about getting laid in front of a kid and the dad goes
>could you keep it down, buddy?
or something
It’s such a nit picky thing but they say it’s such a corny thing to add
who the frick cares
That was Payne's cameo; didn't really add anything but I also thought it was inoffensive.
I think it was one of Payne’s regulars actually. He was the principal in Election and possibly one of the relatives in Nebraska
Joe list is semi funny on YKWD but he's a hack who doesn't stop doing airplane jokes like a hack. That other guy isn't greg stone is it? Hope not because he's a literal reddit gay who still buys and obsesses over collectible capeshit figures.
nah, it's Raanan Hershberg. It's weird because they both like kino like Sideways but then Joe's favorite movies are like Forrest Gump, Field of Dreams, Godfather, etc. He also fricking hates the Sopranos
is it called that because of the asian womans pussy?
Thomas Hayden Church kind of gave me the creeps when he told Miles he was going home with the bbq waitress. Something about how he delivered the lines about how he needed to do it came off like a sociopath
Underrated lines or moments? I like when Jack says “and THEN they have to break it again” about his nose.
Why didn't Madsen have a bigger career?
She said in some interview that she was very selective about what movies she did and I’m guessing eventually the phone stopped ringing
>Underrated lines or moments?
Jack has the best lines throughout. My favorite is 'i bet she's two tons of fun' about the fat waitress.
You're in for a treat anon. Sideways is better (as I said earlier it's basically a small perfect film), but holdovers is more comfy.
>What's your novel called?
>The Day After Yesterday.
>Oh. You mean, like, today.
Sideways threads should overlap with Druk threads tbh senpai.
I’m surprised they don’t end up turning into that. Maybe not a lot of anons drink wine
I like the taste of red wine but it gives me the worst hangovers known to man.
I'm a full blown alcoholic and can't drink wine at all. Gives me terrible headaches, can't even eat stuff cooked with it
red wine is poison, white wine kino is also nice
Literally the opposite
Is this show still on? I caught a few episodes and thought it was good. I think it was pre covid tho
no its ancient, should watch though
Season 1 was great. Season 2 was mids. Season 3 was unwatchable. So it goes.
I love that fricking episode. The part with the Sun Chips gets me every time
>They’re healthy!
>*Reads bag*
>Oh, no, they are not.
What if they ended the movie with Miles drinking the bottle in the burger joint?
They should have. The actual ending is way too Hollywood and forced.
check out the original ending to Election.
How does it compare to Sideways?
Election is funnier and more fricked up but Sideways is better in my book. Election a close second
i really want to love election but it's actually horrible in like invisibly small ways. maybe intentionally horrible and uncomfortable. the actual photography is weird like extra ancient cameras with expired film stock that doesn't match the lighting at all. the cinematography feels like a mismatched documentary style with a bunch of weird close ups and follow shots. the voiceover stuff is good for characterization but fricks the pacing and isn't really necessary. i want to love it but kind of hate it 4/10
All the reasons you listed are part of why I love it so much. The closeups of everyone’s ugly faces are perfect
and like the ugly late-70s/early-80s set dressing everywhere. it's clear it's supposed to feel awful to watch, all of the characters are just grotesque too. i dont know why it doesn't click.
guarantee both of these get pushed harder around the Oscars if he's the favorite for best adapted screenplay
>“Alexander had a problem with me.” In addition to pushing back against the paperwork, Hughes explains, “I had the nerve to send a whole script to a minor. Sending scripts to the cast was part of my job, but he didn’t want the minor’s family to read the script. He didn’t want the parents to back out because of the scene of the actors watching porn or the lesbian relationship in the movie. Which is what happened.”
>“‘Tell me Jake made you do it,’” Payne allegedly began. “His tone was terse,” Hughes writes. “I imagined his temples sweating and his thick, black-rimmed glasses sliding down his hot face. ‘Do what?’ I asked. I had no idea what he was fuming about. ‘Send the script. Tell me Jake made you do it.’
“Looking back, I know at this moment everyone else would have said, ‘Yes, Jake made me do it’; would have told the up-and-coming director that their tormentor told them to do it. I could’ve made myself the hero. I could have moved up the food chain and saved myself. I wish I had said yes. But I thought the truth mattered. I didn’t want to join in the blame game. ‘No, he didn’t,’ I whispered. ‘Who the frick do you think you are?’ Alexander cursed me out for a good minute or two. He called me every nasty derogatory term and anything else his quick wit thought of. He drowned me under his tidal wave of rage. Calm came over my mind as my body began to shake with fear and fury and inferiority. I kept my voice flat. ‘I’m going to have to stop you there,’ I said. ‘No one talks to me that way.’ ‘Frick you,’ the director said.”
McGowan didn't even know Payne until she was in her 20s; has been proven. She is a nut.
Other one is an butthole director being an butthole to a snowflake; many such cases.
Pretty sure watching this movie with my gf was one of the reasons she broke up with me. Kino but haven’t watched it since
did she hate the movie or did she see Miles in you?
Definitely both
Rough.
If you think this movie is kino she made a good choice
You have terrible taste
One of my favorite details is that she’s a pretty shitty person and mother
Isn't her kid black too?
i never saw sideways but im gonna try to watch it and then giamattis newfilm the holdovers
chance to rec this even if it isnt really a rec thread, but this is the most late 90's movie ive seen
and if you wanna see trinity from the matrix being an wine aunt, heres your flic
Did he kill himself at the end?
His dad?
How's the new alexander payne
Quite good. Giamati is excellent as you would expect, and the new kid who plays the main character is also very good. Comfy 70s-kino core. Not as good as Sideways, but still better than 95% of everything else that is released these days.
Nice I'll look forward to it
>Giamati
how does he fricking do it. every time he shows up its like "heyyy its that guy" and i end up liking the movie. he looks ugly, his parts are usually dumb, but the motherfricker pulls it off. how.
>how
Human brain. Human experience.
truly blessed
i also threw it on for thread feels and i love it more now than i used to. he begins as a loser so there's nowhere to go but up.
Very comfy. I just threw it on too.
Truly one of the most ungodly ways to experience kinos, have a nice day
He's based
Watch 30 coins season 2 for kino trashy bond villain giamatti
Watching this now. I remember liking it as a kid but I have a feeling I'll find it depressing at this age :(.
I'm here for the kinothon
kino, like good books, invite revisiting because they hit you different whenever you are in your life. first time i watched it alone, unemployed after flunking college, i almost offed myself (loved it tho). second time i watched with my gf while vacationing in wine country and i appreciated it in a whole different way. like they say no man washes himself in the same river twice
I love that his novel is like 800 fricking pages
me and my bros are milesish also and when we go up north together we like to put this on on a hot summer day and drink wine. it's sorta depressing but comfy
another rewatch down and i dont even see anything depressing in it. there's just a slow and steady incline in giamati's character from the halfway point on. sure he starts neghead as frick but once he gets his joint worked on he beelines straight to healthy mental state. miles and jack start really being a cohesive unit and shit
>no hesitation fricking with golf course bullies
>completely reasonable lying to each other about dumb shit thats their own fault
>miles fricking loses it at running through ostrich farm story
>commando cuck raid
>doesnt freak out at all about destroying his car, just broken wine bottles
the wedding resolution is fricking stronk, breaks his special occasion wine open and writes a magic fricking letter. pure kino ending.
I've fantasized about that perfect fast food fried chicken meal with that perfect bottle.
It's still early! Someone stream it so we can live chat and have a nice time with a great film and frens. Yakno, please
Is movie? You esl homosexuals are moronic
shit bait
I remember a bunch of self-styles wine aficianados becoming obsessed with pinot noir as a result of this film.
*self-styled
fair enough. its just layering alcohol, a literal poison with things to mask its taste. its all fake to begin with. someone mixing their vodka with faygo and something huffing their own farts about the earthy taste of some rotten grapes
It's not layering anything else on top of the alcohol; that's not how it works. Layering things on top of alcohol is what you do to distilled spirits, or to something like sangria. Wine itself (if it is good and well-made) is delicious as is and doesn't have flavor additives.
I watched a documentary about making sake and one of the japs opened a bottle of wine for the other workers to try and they thought it tasted like sour, spoiled grape juice. Sake is also poison with stuff to mask the taste, but I thought it was interesting to see how people who aren’t from a traditional wine country described it.
sake is the most subtle flavored shit but iirc the traditional way to make it was chewing and spitting rice so i can't ever again
This brewery was a bit more modern than that, but still did most of it by hand.
re: japs and wine, when they do get into it, they go completely overboard like they seem to do when they get into any hobby. I’m talking sommelier courses in France level.
yeah japs do cuisine big, go nuts for that sort of thing. i am not a sake man but a weeb friend shared some higher end bottle and it was very nearly neutral flavored. very nearly nothin at all, even alcohol slips in unnoticed.
High end sake is pretty smooth. I’m lucky to have been able to taste some of it because I have a sake fan relative, but not into alcohol enough to really notice a difference between the different brands I tasted. Anyway, my relative claims that he doesn’t get a hangover from sake.
was Jack being sincere when he was crying to Miles about how he knows he's a frick up and that his wife means everything to him or just trying to manipulate him? i've heard people say the latter but i always assumed it was a moment of sincerity where deep down he knows he's a piece of shit and can't lose this perfect woman
He was bullshitting Miles but he was also bullshitting himself. It was sincere, but actions speak louder than words.
I read it as sincerity, or at least as being sincere in the moment. When Maya gets mad at Miles for all the things Jack was saying to Stephanie, Miles says that he probably meant it all at the time, and Jack probably did. He's an expression of unconstrained id, going where the moment takes him. The only time I think Jack is insincere is when he makes sarcastic happy/yes faces at Miles for being a dweeb.
jack was always sincere he just didnt have enough forethought to realize loving one woman means ruining his other life. he can delude himself into believing any life that suits him at the time.
Jack was more in love with the excitement of fricking as many women as possible. You think he actually might love the chick in the bar where he says he "went deep", and then says he's going to sue her ass when she beats him up. The dude is more of a trainwreck than Miles honestly
Just wrapped up, w/ Maya reading her letter. Kino and hopeful. I feel good anons.
the ending really sticks the landing for me too. knowing that she actually cared enough to read his book and liked it, but we don't really know if they'll be together forever.
One of the best changes from the book though the book is dogshit. The most glaring example for me of the film adaptation being so, so much better than the book.
how did the book end? can you remember any other good changes from the book?
I dont recall the book ending, but in general it was a poorly written author self-insert book trying to make the author (Rex Pickett) look cooler than he was. They excised a part where Myles goes boar hunting in the middle of the night with some rednecks, and they made Myles a teacher from San Diego instead of a Hollywood screenwriter from LA. All the changes were positive and significant improvements, especially making Myles more of a sad sack (the Giamati casting upset Pickett too because he thinks he is significantly better looking).
I will say Pickett got screwed over by his publisher when they didn't make any real effort to promote the book after the movie became a hit, but Rex is also a bitter crank who is full of himself, generally dissatisfied with life, and honestly a very mediocre writer overall.
>especially making Myles more of a sad sack
Movie Miles is infinitely more likeable, you actually care about him even if he is a self-sabotaging dick and you want things to go well for him. I hated Book Miles.
>Rex is also a bitter crank who is full of himself, generally dissatisfied with life, and honestly a very mediocre writer overall.
He's a garbage writer. He's lucky that someone saw potential in his novel and was able to mine the gold from the crap. Sideways is a fantastic movie that came from a subpar novel.
>(the Giamati casting upset Pickett too because he thinks he is significantly better looking
He's probably right there but it's not like he's a male model or anything and Miles wouldn't be likeable without Paul Giamatti's performance (and the script changes). Out of interest who did he want cast to play his superlicious self insert?
>Alexander Payne was flying back from Edinburgh, where he had been at a film festival promoting Election (1999), when he finally had a chance to read Rex Pickett's book Sideways. As soon as he landed, Payne ran to a pay phone to call his agent about purchasing the rights. He later told Pickett he liked his novel because his characters were "so fricking pathetic."
pretty funny that Payne thought this way about the characters out of the gate and somehow tweaked them to be a little less pathetic
>pretty funny that Payne thought this way about the characters out of the gate and somehow tweaked them to be a little less pathetic
He definitely understands that it's about the characters and more than Pickett does, hence why he gets rid of that unnecessary party in the beginning and gets straight to Miles and Jack on the road. I also think he understands that it's fine to tell a story about pathetic characters but for one that people will actually be interested in they need to care about the characters too.
Well deserved Oscar for his script. He saw potential in the story and actually crafted it.
He's not crushed by Victoria's revelation that she's pregnant and Maya shows up at the wedding and they leave together with her saying they don't belong there.
i suppose him not being upset by her being pregnant would be the cliche character arc but not realistic from what happens in the movie. If Maya had been with him at the wedding already, maybe that would be more believable that he was finally moving on
She doesn't come with him to the wedding she just shows up. He doesn't get a message from Mia on the phone, he talks with her directly and she says he's not ready for a relationship because he's hung up on his ex but she might come to the wedding. It comes off as way more cliched. It's still clearly supposed to be optimistic but it's executed so much better in the film. Imo in the novel it comes off as saccharine and manufactured plus you don't really care because book Miles is a wienerhead.
Wrapped up too. Wish it made me feel better. Gonna try some other movies I also liked at the time, 'I Heart Huckabees' is next :p
>Half my life is over, and I have nothing to show for it. Nothing. I’m a thumbprint on the window of a skyscraper. I’m a smudge of excrement on a tissue surging out to sea with a million tons of raw sewage.
I’m watching it for the first time right now
I just watched this the other week after watching The Holdovers and man Alexander Payne is such a good director I hope he just makes another movie with Paul Giamatti again.
This time my biggest revelation was how much of a nice body Sandra Oh had. I finally understood why Hollywood liked her in the first place a true Asian Butterface.
Payne was married to her at this time I think
Good for him every man should have the pleasure of banging an asian woman that kept her body tight.