not really besides the implied Whisper x Tangle stuff, honestly fandom will be what has to feed ya as Sega isn't gonna let stuff like that happen or be implied much anymore, sorry my dude as a fellow ship creature. What pairings do you like besides my guess Sonally?
>It feels like you're just supposed to keep reading because your a Sonic fan, not for the content itself.
Best description. It does a really bad job justifying why you should care about the characters and most stories are slight variants on the same events. There's only so many times the cast can smack badniks and assorted disposable furries before it gets boring.
Scrapnik Island's probably the best story they've done so far because >It actually has a decent setup >It has conflicts aside from smacking stuff
Wasted potential: the comic. It has ideas and concepts that aren't bad in a vacuum, but executes them in just about the worst way possible. It rushes through things with no setup and even less payoff, while somehow feeling bloated the whole way through. Every character in it acts like a braindead moron just so the comic can force these plots to even happen.
As a standalone comic, it's bland and uninteresting. But as a comic made to be a tie in to Sonic games, it's insultingly awful.
None of it is ever actively bad, but the vast majority is really boring. A lot of nothing happens. There's a few good stories here and there. Even as a kid I'd be pretty underwhelmed.
I'm not sure that comparison works. Belle's problem is she keeps repeating the same plot of "oh no Eggman's my father!" over and over again. Mina's just a general source of trouble, sometimes related to Sonic, sometimes not.
I don't mean their character. I mean I'm that they were added without much thought towards "now what?" Mina was added to create a love triangle, and after that...they had no idea so they went a million different directions. Belle exists for the Mr. Tinker confrontation, and it happened so now...she's around until they follow up on that. Before and after that they sort of shrugged and established her deal and wallowed in it.
Both of them are both so custom built for one function that they don't add anything and can't adapt well to other stories.
Belle is the character that fixes equipment and stuff on the background when Tails is not specifically doing it. She is also the character that understands Eggman's coding. She downloaded Metal's files into her system thats making Badniks ignore her which is leading to something, and Starline left some evidence into her that leads towards what he did to Surge and Kit. Belle herself plans to rescue abandoned badniks and turn them unhostile. She is also currently trying to repair the motobug Tinker made.
Metal has been given orders to not harm Belle, which amuses Sonic.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Belle is the character that fixes equipment and stuff on the background
I'm ALMOST certain that's against one of Sega's rules, about how only Tails and Eggman can be depicted as mechanics. Starline was never shown actually MAKING anything he claimed to have created.
>largely due to how they prioritize and gatekeep shipping (especially lesbian shipping)
Why would he be mad at that wasn't he the one who sugested to add this shit to the comic in the first place ?
He didn't anticipate yurigays attacking people who ship Tangle and Whisper with guys, which did end up happening.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>yurishitters being unable to cope at the thought of them not being full on gay
that’s so pathetic holy shit
9 months ago
Boco
Innit though? Makes me wanna ship Silver and Whisper even more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Silver and Whisper
The next few issues are gonna be pretty ugly...
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t understand why people ship these two. They interacted like once, I guess it’s because Whisper is a Blaze clone and people really want another Blazilver. If you really just want to push a het ship to own the libs epic style Tangle and Sonic is a better ship. Those two have at least interacted in a meaningful way.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Very few people "legitimately" ship Silver and Whisper, the majority of it is just pushback against Whispangle in the form of shitposting.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I get that your owning the libs epic style. But there are better ways to go about it than pushing a crackship.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'll wait for the next storytime to see if it's gone anywhere because the delays are awful for an "ongoing" comic. And because we skipped some issues last time.
I think it was okay for a children's comic but it's constantly had issues >some artists don't jerk off before drawing >can't decide if it's for boys or girls >good guys: pissing and shitting and crying and b***hing and moaning >bad guys: immensely fun... but never around >not an action comic, afraid of depicting anything physical >Eggman is slowly getting away! >no world building... no world at all "Oh, Eggman has this facilities and uh, yeah, now Sonic is smashing it up or whatever, and the freedom fighters have a place or something, and there's a campsite, and a hotel in a snowy place, who cares really"
Honestly seems to just be Japanese taint. Too many writers/artists want to copy their preferred manga, and even if (You) like that garbage you can't justify an expensive, monthly release that feels like a knockoff, when what you want is a weekly you pirate or just get for nothing regardless.
>I don’t understand why people ship these two. They interacted like once,
Because their first and only interaction involved Whisper blushing.
>Sonic isn't in every issue
why call it Sonic if you're not gonna have Sonic, Fleetway had Sonic in every issue and that shit was made by the fricking British
>Fleetway had Sonic in every issue and that shit was made by the fricking British
20th century Euro comics shit on current American Japan-lite and LGBT fetish comics. It's shocking how they knew what a comic should be and modernity doesn't.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Wait, Boco is british?
No wonder he's such a sperg.
9 months ago
Boco
Thats a British thing? I just think it sounds funny.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Silver and Whisper
What's even the chemistry?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well ya see, Silver was sucking her metaphorical dick in issue 3 or 4 or whenever he was telling Sonic about her and uhhh something something Evan Stanly? There is nothing but everyone is used to things "just happening" in this book that it's almost believable
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm ALMOST certain that's against one of Sega's rules, about how only Tails and Eggman can be depicted as mechanics.
Tails and Eggman are inventors. Belle is only a fixer, like how Eggman can utilize badniks for general maintenance. The animals are still allowed to fix a tire, its not that strict. Starline is allowed to invent, but not beyond Eggman or Gerald.
>It killed Archie sonic and pissed off every disheveled 30 year old who liked those comics.
Wasn't that Penders? If anything, this is Ian's sad attempt to keep Archie comics alive as possible but without Penders involvement so he can't sue. People hate IDW though cuz they are tsundere for Pender's creations.
No. It went long after the Penders thing. Rumour is (and that's all there is) Archie was just done with licensed books since they were getting their money from Riverdale
Its good when compared to other western comics. Theres an attempt to please yuri shippers that is starting to badly affect the quality of writing. Its a better read for non-Sonic fans, the usual complaint is that it focuses too much on secondary characters instead of purely being about Sonic and just Sonic. The build ups take long and give small releases in each arc, which annoys long time fans. The visuals are great, but require looking at the panels instead of just reading the texts, which causes some readers be unable to understand what is going on. On top of that, the reader is supposed to hold information past several pages, which further confuses several readers.
I meant ongoing, mostly american, which is a lot superhero outrage bait and safe corporebellion nonsense.
>The visuals are great, but require looking at the panels instead of just reading the texts, which causes some readers be unable to understand what is going on. On top of that, the reader is supposed to hold information past several pages, which further confuses several readers.
This is the most disingenuous spin I've seen on Cinemaphile outside of the literal schizoposting in Batman threads.
[...]
I think most people liked those characters in theory more than in practice.
>This is the most disingenuous spin I've seen on Cinemaphile
Its meant for children, but it still manages to be too hard for a lot of sonic fans. I've listen to podcasts, not one but several, that are dedicated to read along these comics, and they keep making huge mistakes, like believing "characters have died" -level of mistakes. The community is not a good place to fish for pros or cons, as its so all over the place, and a lot of it is nonsense.
>Continues to double down on the "I think this is communicated poorly = I am not able to comprehend" thing.
Come on. Stupid people exist, but you know what you're doing.
>The visuals are great, but require looking at the panels instead of just reading the texts, which causes some readers be unable to understand what is going on. On top of that, the reader is supposed to hold information past several pages, which further confuses several readers.
This is the most disingenuous spin I've seen on Cinemaphile outside of the literal schizoposting in Batman threads.
Do people forget that the original Archie freedom fighters sucked ass in the beginning too? You had: >Sally "Bitching at Sonic all the time" Acorn >The Frenchie Antonie >Fat nerd Rotor
The only interesting one was fricking Rabbot but mainly because of her robot side, if she was just a bunny, nobody would have cared. The thing is, these originally terrible characters got character development over time which made them become interesting. IDW needs the more time and development for the characters to grow out of their "terrible additions" phase.
I think most people liked those characters in theory more than in practice.
The only reason to read it are the villains (Surge, Kit and Starline + Eggman, but he's good basically every time), the good guys are actual garbage. It's funny how all of the original 'heroes' suck.
Do people forget that the original Archie freedom fighters sucked ass in the beginning too? You had: >Sally "Bitching at Sonic all the time" Acorn >The Frenchie Antonie >Fat nerd Rotor
The only interesting one was fricking Rabbot but mainly because of her robot side, if she was just a bunny, nobody would have cared. The thing is, these originally terrible characters got character development over time which made them become interesting. IDW needs the more time and development for the characters to grow out of their "terrible additions" phase.
Except the issue is that the IDW characters can't progress farther than that because of all the limitations that modern sonic comics have, archie had a lot of garbage but it had basically complete freedom over the plots.
Hell, the entire reason Surge and Kit are brainwashed children who got kidnapped by starline is because SEGA didn't want Starline to be a gerald-tier scientist.
>Hell, the entire reason Surge and Kit are brainwashed children who got kidnapped by starline is because SEGA didn't want Starline to be a gerald-tier scientist.
TO BE FAIR, I didn't want that either. Dude was just an Eggman idolizer who came out of nowhere. Him just kidnapping children and suping them up sounds more believable than being able to "create two ultimate life forms" with little resources or backing from other government scientists. Like, it was implied by the Biolizard that it took Gerald a bunch of tries to create Shadow.
Honestly I would've preferred a different origin story entirely. Like, have them be from Blaze's dimension, or maybe from the Lost Hex. Like, just anything outside of the needlessly edgy bullshit that makes it hard to have fun with these characters.
I think having a couple edgy characters is fine. Them being the very goofy looking punk ass loser versions of Sonic and Tails was a bad idea.
Still preferable to putting a body count on Eggman's hands for no reason and then b***hing when the readers ask why the heroes don't lock him up or why the sniper doesn't kill him.
Ant stopped sucking around #28 with his side story stuff
Bunnie was upheld with the ability to do shit in combat and the rabbit side got fleshed out in Ian years.
Rotor was hopeless until the reboot
Sally always stood on shipper bait yet was such a big attraction Sega wanted to incorporate her into other stuff.
Throughout the entire time all the chars were getting better post 25. We're inching closer to 75 on IDW and everyone still feels like they are at issue 1. It is pretty clear that being glued to static game world has failed and game gays should not get comics.
I wouldn't put it like that. Sally got significantly worse after the gag stories started to fade. Antoine ping ponged from story to story. By 75, they were all kind of bland and unimportant.
I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, though. IDW isn't a comic flying blind with five major writers and a ton of brand changes over five years. It's mostly been two writers who are well acquainted with the brand. The signs were always there, though: Ian's attempt to "rehabilitate" Sally's image stretched over nearly 100 issues. Antoine barely got anything across a decade, Bunnie got the start of an arc, Rotor never REALLY got fixed and Nicole started and ended at "UUUUUUUU WOOBIE SAD >M<".
The thing is, the Freedom Fighters were introduced back before a lot of the modern cast was -- Team Dark, the Babylon Rogues, Silver, Blaze, Cream, etc. Since Sonic didn't have as many friends, there was more room for OCs.
Now that they have to share a spotlight with all the game characters, the IDW OCs just seem even more redundant than even the Archie cast did. It also doesn't help that the setting is so confined and undefined, and that Eggman's the only villain that's really worth a damn.
You can't have an arc where half the cast fights Eggman while the other half fights some other villain, since none of the IDW-original villains are worth a damn. Mimic wouldn't credibly last five seconds as the villain of an arc.
The only reason the OCs exist in IDW is because there is more "creative freedom" with them, but with that mentality, wouldn't it be better to just write your own series instead of a licensed IP? People wanna see characters they recognize, not these new mooks who are only confined to this comic.
>wouldn't it be better to just write your own series instead of a licensed IP?
Yes which is why staff on these series tend not to last long. Ian tried to branch out and Penders as well. Penders just sucked so hard when the reality hit that this is the only thing his life has produced.
>Do people forget that the original Archie freedom fighters sucked ass in the beginning too?
So because Archie also sucked, suddenly that makes IDW any hey better? This is what I hate about this comic, it's never judged by its own merits because then fanboys would have to admit it's not very good. It's always "a-at least it's not Penders" like that's some huge accomplishment.
>This is what I hate about this comic, it's never judged by its own merits because then fanboys would have to admit it's not very good. It's always "a-at least it's not Penders" like that's some huge accomplishment.
Fricking THIS.
Archie's dark age had some of the most infamously idiotic comics ever, with shit like Charmy Bee doing LSD and Titan Tails ass-voring Mammoth Mogul. Yet IDW dickriders are proud to read a comic that's only mildly better than Archie's absolute lowest points.
>This is what I hate about this comic, it's never judged by its own merits because then fanboys would have to admit it's not very good. It's always "a-at least it's not Penders" like that's some huge accomplishment.
Fricking THIS.
Archie's dark age had some of the most infamously idiotic comics ever, with shit like Charmy Bee doing LSD and Titan Tails ass-voring Mammoth Mogul. Yet IDW dickriders are proud to read a comic that's only mildly better than Archie's absolute lowest points.
They both suck, but IDW is current, so people are going to be more forgiving because the "Just wait and see!" aspect on it with people coping that it will one day get better (it isn't). Once IDW ends and possibly replaced with something else you'll see loads of people shitting on it.
I think IDW’s legacy is going to be the exact same as the Archie reboot’s legacy. People will simply forget about it, nobody will look back fondly at it but won’t really bemoan it either. You may see some of the girls still appearing in porn but that’s about it.
Nah. Archie reboot has more people recalling to it as the "perfect mishmash of Sonic stuff into one". It's not forgettable. People also point to it as the right way to handle FFs.
IDW stuff will definitely get forgotten though.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody cares about the reboot freedom fighters. Anytime someone draws fanart of Sally she’s has her Archie/ SATAM look. All five Nagus fans are going to call him Ixis Nagus, not Walter Nagus.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What if I call him Ixis Walter Naugus?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It's not forgettable.
I disagree, I found reboot Archie extremely forgettable, outside of "what's different from how things were before?"
It really felt like the Freedom Fighters just didn't belong, as if the comic was struggling to find ways to keep them around.
Pretty much.
The main difference is that IDW characters have better chances of being referenced or appearing in official stuff after it ends, similar to Sticks.
[...]
Nah. Archie reboot has more people recalling to it as the "perfect mishmash of Sonic stuff into one". It's not forgettable. People also point to it as the right way to handle FFs.
IDW stuff will definitely get forgotten though.
That's mostly half-hearted praise that either comes from people who miss when Sonic could reference stuff from other media than the games and the lack of Classic/Modern divide that barred some characters like Fang and Mighty from appearing in the comics or people who just praised it because it wasn't the pre-reboot.
Well yeah, that's my point. What's the point in being into this post-Forces status quo hell if we can't actually flesh out the concepts the game introduced? Forces and Infinite being failures means nothing when this fanbase was sucking off how Ian Flynn "salvaged" the Archie comics. If he was able to do THAT, surely he could've done the same here, right?
Or maybe it's time to admit that Reboot Archie was a giant meme from the start and Ian's just a hack.
I doubt Ian has the same kinds of liberties to toy with game lore that he had with the pre-reboot Archie stuff that earned him his praise.
You're pretty much getting assraped by Sega while screaming Ian's name for some reason.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Go back already to /sthg/, Pixy.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You're pretty much getting assraped by Sega while screaming Ian's name for some reason.
But that doesn't hold water when we get shit like Scrapnik Island, which literally takes place in an abandoned Death Egg and has a reformed Mecha Sonic. If they're capable of fleshing out one of the most infamous stages in Sonic history, then there's no real excuse for the mainline comic to be exclusively OC bullshit.
Hell, none of Ian's "mandates" even mentioned that zones from Forces, Colors, Lost World, whatever were off limits. It's just weak logic all around.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The main difference is that IDW characters have better chances of being referenced or appearing in official stuff after it ends, similar to Sticks.
lolno
Compared to Sticks, IDW oc shit is still the bottom of the barrel. They weren't made by Sonic Team. Sticks was, moron.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Tangle and Whisper already have plushies of themselves.
No, I'm just saying a lot of the love is built from longevity and filling in blanks themselves. A lot of fans speak well of Antoine's "character arc" when he didn't really have one. It was kind of assumed to happen off screen because he was mostly portrayed as a b***h and occasionally as more competent, got shoved off panel for a few years, and then had a sort of mix of both characterizations when a new writer came on shortly after he returned.
Bunnie's well liked but only really has like three good stories across 20 years despite being a "main" character. More of the love falls on the meta than the actual printed material. Good stuff is there, it's just not where the love first came from.
>but it doesn't have all of the nonsensical baggage Archie Sonic suffered from either.
Yeah, I can understand this. Archie Sonic had some good aspects BUT they were tons bad that people like to forget. The Echidna bloat, the infamous slap, etc. There were tons of issues that happened because Archie Sonic was allowed too much freedom. In the end, it was specifically that freedom which allowed Penders to kill the comic. He sued over his characters and won, causing everything to burn.
Nobody has forgotten any of that and its brought up every time the comic is mentioned and the answer is just skip to 160. Also the 'too much freedom' thing is moronic. Bad art is bad art and Kenders is a shit writer who wrote shit.
>IDW Sonic has no baggage
Why do morons keep saying this? It’s basically a continuation of Archie with the same writers and artists. The writers cannot let Archie go and recycle old ideas from that series, Surge and Starline are basically just Scourge and Snively, the Diamond Cutters are basically the Freedom Fighters. IDW will always live with the baggage of Archie Sonic.
"The Restoration" is basically just Knothole and the Freedom Fighters.
The word is "Sonic is a free spirit who can never stay in just one place. This is why he can't settle down with Amy or have an established residence". And yet IDW keeps going back to Restoration HQ.
Its his huge conflict. He can't let go that Sega wants a strelized Sonic that would work best as self contained one off stories (ala early archie/fleetway)
Instead he and other lore gays keep crying for story that just doesn't work in a super static world. Notice how Archie, Boom, etc worked because Sega gave 0 fricks or wrote them off early.
The only parts I hate is the ABT issues because it's basically porn. Herms is the better artist and I wish he was used far more, maybe even given the rights to a sonic cartoon.
>Archie Sonic >Allowed too much freedom: Had some great stories in it but also tons of bad moments. In the end, the freedom killed it. >IDW Sonic >Too restrictive: story doesn't get as bad as Archie's worst BUT it never reaches the same highs as Archie Sonic either.
Hmmm...Not sure which method is worse.
Annoying because the writers have so many mandates and restrictions they have to work under that they can't really do too much interesting or fun stuff with it.
>the writers have so many mandates and restrictions they have to work under that they can't really do too much interesting or fun stuff with it.
If it's that restrictive, how did Barnes nail it first try?
Sonic breaks his ankle and still manages to beat a robot designed to surpass him at his peak. The same shit happened in the Surge arc, why even bother giving Sonic injuries if he just beats the bad guy with no setbacks anyway?
>a robot designed to surpass him at his peak.
But it's a worn down and beat up version of a robot he beat back in Sonic & Knuckles.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Mecha was never written as being weak. He beats Tails and Mecha Knuckles. Only when he faces off against Sonic the ultimate Gary-stu does he stand no chance. And again, what was the point of injuring Sonic if the injury doesn’t factor into the story in the slightest? Just to power-wank Sonic? To show that his villains are so unthreatening he could beat them with both hands tied behind his back?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Power level discourse has rotted your mind. He got injured because it facilitated several story beats.
Coming from the asswipe that still thinks Adventure Sonic is still canon. He's an "adult" now in Frontiers and ages are gone, so he literally cannot still be the same ~15 year old moron from the Adventure era.
That moronic asinine speech he gave to surge made me psychically cringe
Frick this version of Sonic, I've seen better written Sonics in fancomics for frick sakes.
It's much better when you just chalk it up to some Psychonic type shit
>Cares not for morals >Could have ended it all for Eggman and co. multiple times, refused >Hopes more people like Surge and Kit end up being created for his amusement fighting them >Speeches are empty and hypocritical because they're not done in earnest, nobody can beat any sense into him, anyways >It's His World, we're just living in it
>Imagine if he said all this shit when fighting Shadow in SA2.
I think the reason he says shit like this now is exactly because of what happened with Shadow. It happened with Knuckles and Shadow and Jet etc. IDW Sonic seems like he's just fricking tired of constantly encountering new characters who hate him and then eventually respect him so he's trying to speedrun the rivalry into something less hostile. he can't develop as a character since he has to be static protag mickey mouse style but he can at least just be fricking tired of edgehogs and OCs playing the same song over and over.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No, dipshit. I don't mean his personality.
I mean imagine how fricking annoying and unfun it would be if he started yapping like this instead of
>I FOUND YOU, FAKER
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Imagine how annoying it would be if a game cutscene tried to be as verbal as a comic book script
No shit you fricking moron. The comic is wordy because it's a fricking comic. They're too different media. Next you'll say the music doesn't have enough fricking gameplay. Smoothbrain.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You realize that printed dialogue gets annoyingly wordy *faster* than spoken dialogue, right?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You realize that printed dialogue gets annoyingly wordy *faster* than spoken dialogue, right?
Only if you're shit at reading. Step it up dude. You gotta speed keed. Just do it to it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
jej
9 months ago
Anonymous
Are you Bendis?
9 months ago
Anonymous
Even in comic form, Sonic and Shadow's confrontations in SA2 would suck if he was yammering like this. A snappy script is important for tense scenes.
It's much better when you just chalk it up to some Psychonic type shit
>Cares not for morals >Could have ended it all for Eggman and co. multiple times, refused >Hopes more people like Surge and Kit end up being created for his amusement fighting them >Speeches are empty and hypocritical because they're not done in earnest, nobody can beat any sense into him, anyways >It's His World, we're just living in it
Ian has stated Sonic isn't intended to be right in his beliefs. It's just what Sonic believes in and acts on. That's kind of the entire point of the character, he'll do what he believes in even if others think of him as the bad guy for it. He doesn't conform to other people's expectations.
To Sonic's credit, when he finds out Surge's backstory and what Starline did to her, he tries to apologize and talk her down.
I think the idea with Sonic's smug speech in issue #50 is that it was MEANT to make him seem like an butthole in Surge's eyes. He was being smug and dismissive because he thought she was just the latest of a million villainous goons he had battled over the years, not realizing that she was seriously hurting inside.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I really wish he just beat her ass frick all that she's a villian who hurt innocent people.
It's okay but it focuses too much on OCs for my taste. I don't really care about the furry lesbians and when the writers and artists behind the comic keep on trying to focus on inserting gay couples into Sonic the Hedgehog comics it tells me they aren't exactly focusing on what they should be.
The only OC I really like or enjoy in IDW is Surge because she has little to nothing to do with the lesbians and her story actually revolves around Sonic characters.
This, really the only Ocs people like they don't focus on or rush their arc. Specially surge and starline. I feel starline had a decent conclusion but he was 100x better than wasting time on the lesbian ocs who have no real character or conflict. Tangle is just hyper girl and whisper is just depressed but together they just become one annoying nothing burger. Also yeah they push OCs heavy in this series and don't even try to make them anything than just ways to have lgbt stuff as soon as tangle and whisper were decided to be lesbains all of whispers depth and potential disappeared into crying lesbian.
>The only OC I really like or enjoy in IDW is Surge because she has little to nothing to do with the lesbians and her story actually revolves around Sonic characters.
Oh anon you haven't heard i'm so sorry based on promo art surge is getting into the tangle harem and or gonna befriend everyone so yeah it's sonover
9 months ago
Anonymous
>that spoiler
Or, ya know, she's faking it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I hope so but can you really trust these writers that have tried at every turn to make her a sympathetic jobber cry baby.
But either way that'll be the set up for her being good she'll be tangle and whispers resident carpetmuncher
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah Starline was also pretty good. I enjoyed him as an antagonist. It felt really stupid that they killed him off that soon, he had more potential to squeeze out before ending him. I'm sure they'll bring him back eventually though. >spoiler
These dumbfricks are incompetent.
9 months ago
Anonymous
yeah really i wish they played more with the bad guys. For a breif moment they had so much potential. shit they even made zavok a notiorously hated character cool and gave him some personality while building starline and the team up. But they went and ruined it all as usual.
yeah they are hella incompetent at this point i think the mandates are a good thing. If not for them it'd be the whisper tangle series all the time. Sonic would bend the knee and get supergirl'd by whisper "wow you beat me at my best". Really idk how we went from fun and cool ocs to now just fanfic shipping ocs. I was hoping they would keep surge and kit small and outside the main a sonic and tails exclusive type situation just mono e mono. It works better that way since they are dark reflections and have very differing mentalities. But no surge will most likely see the heroes and cry and join the good guys and sonic will not be in his comic again.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>spoiler
God please no.
>Pros: New storylines and characters
>Cons:New storylines and characters
Just recently, I was reading the new chapter with the mimic homie and his whole deal, when it struck me: I didn't care about this at all. I like whisper and tangle on the surface level but by no means does that mean I want their lore to last 4 issues that are 2 months apart each.
>Pros: New storylines and characters
Could really do with this more, since it looks like they're gonna be bringing back the Zeti again.
9 months ago
Anonymous
sorry but it seems to be the future anon
also god no not the fricking zeti again, they only barely made me like zavok in the bad guy comics but the rest are useless and really mess up his potential to be a deep intimidating villain. Really can seem cool or more than one note when one of your henchmen is a literal weird masochist edgelord emo kid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>also god no not the fricking zeti again
Sorry, anon. They're on one of the upcoming covers. They are inevitable.
The only thing I have any kind of interest in these comics left (besides a bile vaccination to see how bad they get) is Surge and Kits' backstories before Starline nabbed them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Damn also yeah as much as we shit on surge and kit really they've been the only interesting in the last year or so. Also i think they'll become even more of a welcome return after we get the furry lesbian squad for another few months.
But i hope we get a good fight and conclusion to their arc and not just them crying and being talk no justu'd by tangle. I may deadass drop the comic if tangle ruins surge's arc, after a year of tangle she can give me one arc without her annoying ass.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I feel Tangle was alright at first; it's when she got stapled to Whisper that she became insufferable.
And I pray that, by some miracle, Surge and Kit get a decent conclusion.
9 months ago
Anonymous
She just sort of showed up and everybody was like 'oh heckin boy you're so cool we're all friends yay' which seems to be the time of the whole book
9 months ago
Anonymous
>i hope we get a good fight and conclusion to their arc
I really wish he just beat her ass frick all that she's a villian who hurt innocent people.
[...]
This, really the only Ocs people like they don't focus on or rush their arc. Specially surge and starline. I feel starline had a decent conclusion but he was 100x better than wasting time on the lesbian ocs who have no real character or conflict. Tangle is just hyper girl and whisper is just depressed but together they just become one annoying nothing burger. Also yeah they push OCs heavy in this series and don't even try to make them anything than just ways to have lgbt stuff as soon as tangle and whisper were decided to be lesbains all of whispers depth and potential disappeared into crying lesbian.
>The only OC I really like or enjoy in IDW is Surge because she has little to nothing to do with the lesbians and her story actually revolves around Sonic characters.
Oh anon you haven't heard i'm so sorry based on promo art surge is getting into the tangle harem and or gonna befriend everyone so yeah it's sonover
>surge is getting into the tangle harem and or gonna befriend everyone so yeah it's sonover
This isn't that different from believing Sonic is finally going to put bullet in Eggman's head and end it. Surge is designed to be saturday morning villain. They're not ending that. She'll appear, do her dance, and disappear into the sky like a twinkling star when she is defeated, only to be right back with new song and dance next saturday morning.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Surge is designed to be saturday morning villain.
It'd be great if they actually treated her as such instead of just nonstop angst.
9 months ago
Anonymous
rough and tumble are what you're thinking of. men are evil and cannot be redeemed don't cha know?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Surge will always remain a villain
Except this is IDW i.e. the place full of feminist dipshits who hate men. Don't believe me? I summon the list:
List of IDW recurring characters by alignment
>Good
Tangle (female)
Whisper (female)
Jewel (female)
Lanolin (female)
Belle (female)
Nite (Gay male)
Don (Gay male)
This is how intersectional feminists are. All men are evil unless they are gay and/or trans. I'd add non-white but they'll throw black men under the bus just as quick as they do whites (See Shadow's treatment).
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Except this is IDW i.e. the place full of feminist dipshits who hate men.
Based
>This is how intersectional feminists are. All men are evil unless they are gay and/or trans.
They're correct. Only homolust can salvage your broken soul
9 months ago
Anonymous
As a homosexual, I feel offended by IDW.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I wish Surge got raped
9 months ago
Anonymous
I swear I'm only liking some of these characters because of stockholm syndrome.
The current world is shit for masculinity and I'm not even an American.
This comic is gay, its characters are gay, its morals are gay. I guess it should have been expected from a Japanese IP where the male villain wears high heels and everyone is arguing a tertiary character is black because muh creator is Brazilian and therefore cannot be Japanese and Africans we wuz'd those tribal ruins in the Americas.
When I go to decades old comics made for boys I suddenly start to enjoy it all a lot more.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone is arguing a tertiary character is black because muh creator is Brazilian and therefore cannot be Japanese
what
9 months ago
Anonymous
Knuckles.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>I summon the list:
The hero cast is mostly male and the comics added females. It was so dry, Amy's best friends were Cream and Big.
The villain cast is non-existing and the comics added some traditional basics.
You already contradicted yourself by mentioning Starline, who is super gay.
9 months ago
Anonymous
List is of IDW recurring characters dumb dumb.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And he was explaining why that list is what it is dumb dumb
Well yeah, but he wouldn't SAY that. The audience doesn't need an entire lecture on Sonic's morals, regardless whether or not he's right here. It's just a complete waste of time when he could've just said "I'm not gonna end you because I don't WANT to. Deal with it!"
Confirms people will only agree with anything as long it is from their childhood exactly
Sonic dudebro? Ok. Sonic more like a adult? Cringe.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, but he wouldn't SAY that. The audience doesn't need an entire lecture on Sonic's morals, regardless whether or not he's right here. It's just a complete waste of time when he could've just said "I'm not gonna end you because I don't WANT to. Deal with it!"
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Well yeah, but he wouldn't SAY that.
Frick off, you know the fanbase never cared about that shit, whatever SEGA said, Sonic said. That includes Knuckles raps making him black and Silver being Trunks because SEGA literally said so.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's a criticism of him talking so much, not of the content, you knuckle dragger. The post even says expressing the same ideas is fine.
>first I laugh >but then I cry
feelsbadman, this comic could have been so much better
>But Ian's one of the few writers on IDW who knows how Sonic works.
Yes this is a Felix the Cat reference, but it rings uncomfortable close to how Sonic is written in the actual comic.
Archie Sonic writers up until Flynn only had in inkling of the characters. The only other person who truly knew Sonic was "Spaz" but he was an artist. Penders knew totally frick-all about the games and he was proud about it and when Archie had to do an adaptation of SA1, he raged internally.
Evan Stanley obviously knows how Sonic SHOULD go, but she'd much rather write them how they are in the fancomic she's been making since she was a highschooler, which still feels as if it was written by one.
Ian meanwhile is just plain not a good writer, understanding of Sonic or not. His Mega Man comic was garbage too.
>Is Sonic IDW good?
Sure >what are its pros and cons? >pros
Cool designs, ok new characters, the art is really fricking good, some arcs are really fun >cons
Far too much focus on some of the new characters, not all new characters are good, some weird as frick pacing, some bad writing here and there but not too awful
The Zeti have so much potential to be decent villains but no one really knows what to do with them. Eggman is too ingrained in the series to have any competition unlike Bowser.
The problem is that they're inherently made to be comedic villains but they're forced into serious roles for no reason. Like, there's no reason for these walking cartoon archetypes to act like they're going to commit genocide at a moment's notice. Leave them to small scale lighthearted villainy and they'd feel much more natural.
Pretty much. That's WHY they're pure evil: because they're not deep. They exist for Sonic to torment with no remorse. Zazz is Tom the Cat. He's Daffy Duck. Smack him around, play some jokes on him, have some FUN.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Smack him around, play some jokes on him, have some FUN.
You got Eggman for that. Stop bringing more shitty villains just to have Sonic goof around them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Eggman's one guy. It's nice to have some variety.
9 months ago
Anonymous
When was the last time Sonic and Eggman had a funny interaction?
The Zeti look too much like characters from another series (Mario) and their abilities are actually very overpowered (Can take control of technology). Their personalities are also up for debate, they come off as generic or boring.
They're only boring because they don't actually lean into their inspirations much. Zavok actually acting like a Bowser expy (and everything that comes with that) would be FAR more entertaining for Sonic to bounce off of than the generic dictator he's billed as.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Zavok acts more sinister than Bowser. He acts kinda like those big baddie Power Rangers villains, except more in the forefront.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>He acts kinda like those big baddie Power Rangers villains
But he lacks any sort of hamminess than makes those kinds of villains endearing. He should be chewing the damn carpet any chance he gets, but he just doesn't do that because the writers on this comic is deathly afraid of anyone acting like that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He chewed the scenery pretty well in his game. The writing just wasn't great. He's a decent "I AM VERY SERIOUS" silly villain. I think the biggest mistake with these guys is not having them interact much and making it a big deal when they show up. They should just be around random corners like the weird trolls they are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The main issue with Lost World's writing is that the characters talked like things are deathly serious, but the whole atmosphere wasn't, even with Earth having it's lifeforce sucked up too. There felt like a dissonance within the whole thing.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I thought it was that Sonic was written like a total idiot while Tails was constantly trying and failing to talk him into thinking before acting.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There was that too. Sonic acted like how he does in Sonic Prime and Tails started to get an attitude out of nowhere.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I compare Zavok to the slightly less hammy villains like that dinosaur main villain from Power Rangers: Dino Thunder, but very openly sinister.
He's losing patience with the IDW comic fanbase, largely due to how they prioritize and gatekeep shipping (especially lesbian shipping), he's starting to lash out at them.
He's also openly unhappy about Sonic Prime to some degree.
>largely due to how they prioritize and gatekeep shipping (especially lesbian shipping)
Why would he be mad at that wasn't he the one who sugested to add this shit to the comic in the first place ?
That's factually Archie's fault, and as you can see we're still dealing with the fallout from it even today.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Black person it's typical brand management shit. They were doing that shit in the archie days as well. They even had the no romance thing back then.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>They were doing that shit in the archie days as well.
Don't talk about shit you obviously know nothing about.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I do know about it. The later days of archie they were doing the same type of shit they do now. As I said it's typical marketing shit
9 months ago
Anonymous
You do know Ian has admitted to writing Sallicole in reboot Archie, right? He even said he was amazed at how much he "got away with".
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sally and Nicole was never explicit and they weren't the game characters. Nowadays with IDW, all characters created for the book go through a process at Sega.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>all characters created for the book go through a process at Sega.
Then Sega's screening process must be pretty bad for the lesbian flag behind Tangle and Whisper holding hands to have gotten through.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What flag? Are you just talking about some random panel?
9 months ago
Anonymous
The colorist admitted it was intentional.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ok. What's your point?
9 months ago
Anonymous
That for all this "no romances" business and how Sega has to "approve" everything, they're not very good at catching IDW's attempts to slip by them.
Really I don't see how the post could have been ambiguous to any degree.
9 months ago
Anonymous
They aren't in a romantic relationship though. And you know if the marketing department changed their mind then they would totally get together in a story.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ian did admit Whispangle is not canonically real and the girls are not lesbians, but in the same post he also admitted he and the rest of the IDW team DO consider them a lesbian couple and would write them as such if they were allowed to.
It's ironic, for how badly the restrictions leave the franchise, they're also the only thing holding stuff like that back now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Which I'd what I said
9 months ago
Anonymous
This flag. And it’s not just a one panel thing. They act like a married couple in the book.
Not fricking so not gay, cut yourselves
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The colorist admitted it was intentional.
Source?
9 months ago
Anonymous
This flag. And it’s not just a one panel thing. They act like a married couple in the book.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Proof that these are not characters but le diversity and inclusion quotas to make the homosexuals on twitter clap their hands.
Notice how no one gives a single frick about the skunks, I bet everyone would if they were gay.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Sega did approve Evan's request to add a gay male couple to the comic, the birds Don and Nite, but even she's aware that was only allowed because they're insignificant background characters and are never actually shown explicitely a couple.
9 months ago
Boco
Lets hope things stay that way and they never outright state anything with the girls then.
9 months ago
Anonymous
GOOD
Frick romance in all its forms
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what she said, though. What is it with the Sonic fandom in this site and needing to lie repeatedly
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Notice how no one gives a single frick about the skunks
That's just because they're male though. The only people reading Sonic comics are waifugays who want to jack off over fricking Amy Rose. Of course they don't give two shits over dollar store Rocksteady and Bebop.
9 months ago
AccelΔX
Archie shit the bed by not keeping Penders restrained though SoJ is notoriously run by prolapsed sphincter lords. They sabotaged the Eternal Champions development team out of fear that the series would overtake Virtua Fighter. Now Virtua Fighter is stuck on a cliffhanger wall.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Sonamy >MUH ARCHIE
Definitely not a biased Sonamygay at all.
>Pros
Several female characters are cute
At least one of the official artists likes to make the girls more busty than Sega's mandates allow
>Cons
Meandering plotlines that ultimately lead back to status quo, making you feel like you wasted time reading 15 issues of nothing happening
Sonic is a frustratingly static character who's not allowed to grow or ever be wrong (this has become true in the games as well)
several mainline characters are horrifically mismanaged or act out of character (Shadow in particular is really bad)
the cute girls I mentioned earlier don't add much to the cast, yet wind up eating up humungous chunks of the plot to try and make you endear them, only to have the opposite effect instead (No one gives a single shit about Whisper's dead team, but the writers will gladly bludgeon you over the head to remind you that WHISPER IS ALONE AND SAD BOOHOOHOO)
The new male characters have the opposite problem: lack of spotlight. The only exception is Starline, and they wound up killing him off in a rather unsatisfying way.
Eggman is the only viable antagonist, everyone else they introduce are either jobbers for the sake of plot, or hopelessly outclassed from the very start.
>sally acorn s-she touched my no no zone then called me a permavirgin! then the walrus laughed at me and called me a homosexual >so now im constantly seething over a dead comic that's never coming back ever
Yes Tangle, Whisper, israeliteel and Lanolin are Sally's role dispersed throughout, but I'd think people would just want the original prostitute herself back.
>Yes Tangle, Whisper, israeliteel and Lanolin are Sally's role dispersed throughout, but I'd think people would just want the original prostitute herself back.
That's what I meant.
There are no Archiegays, there are merely Sallygays that claim it's about the setting and not their furry crush.
People claiming the Tangle x Whisper stuff is yuripandering are missing the point.
The only reason it's the one ship with implied anything is because it's between two characters SEGA ultimately doesn't give a shit about. They've gotten stricter about what can and can't be depicted in the comics, and that especially goes for romance.
Tangle and Whisper get a lot of focus simply because it's the comic's staff blowing off steam that they're forced to not focus on any other pairing at all.
Adam Bryce Thomas' art feels like something you'd expect in the first few pages of a Sonic porn comic, which makes sense because that's basically what he was doing before he started doing anything official.
It's always just offmodel enough to feel wrong, but it'd fit right in if porn followed not long after.
holy frick the difference is like night and day, honestly just needs better coloring but aside from that its great, love how dynamic it looks.
If
Sonamy also gets a lot of shipwinks in IDW. Nothing within the narrative, just "in the moment" stuff.
is how he draws now (haven't read IDW yet) then what a shame. It looks better on a technical aspect but there's something off about it, almost uncanny. I had the same problems with Evan Stanley art in Archie
9 months ago
Anonymous
The problem is that ABTs art turned into that because he's trying to emulate Evans art style.
You can see it over time in the comic and with actual artists on tumblr/twitter ect.
Now Evans style is the 'go to' for sonic artists and it fricking sucks.
No I don't have Evan. I just don't like her art style.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>have
hate*
9 months ago
Anonymous
The artist for a fan comic I read started to make their art look like evans it’s so frustrating to see it everywhere.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I absolutely know that feel anon, throwing away a unique artstyle just to copy someone.
Fricking hurts.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>almost uncanny.
I swear sometimes they just straight up trace 3D models. like that other anon said, everything is too 'perfect/on model'
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure that's why Sonic's T-posing in the first panel of
>But Ian's one of the few writers on IDW who knows how Sonic works.
Yes this is a Felix the Cat reference, but it rings uncomfortable close to how Sonic is written in the actual comic.
This is him? There's no why he changed this much in only 2 years between this point of the comic and the ended of the zombot shit
He has to be tracing 3D models or actively started using a "porn style" he wasn't using at first to hid his power level.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He is definitely tracing 3d models
9 months ago
Anonymous
I can post more pages
9 months ago
Anonymous
So much more dynamic, more 'oomph' >RCO
Yeah shhh
9 months ago
Anonymous
This might look good in black and white but it looks like shit with color on it. The colorist clearly can't decide what to do so it all looks like dodge and burn shit. The SFX make it look like a fan comic too. Why don't they hire someone who can draw a western comic instead of this wanna be manga slop.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Why don't they hire someone who can draw a western comic instead
Ew, God no lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
>cherrypicks a webcomic artist that got pulled into a shitty marvel romcom book.
Western doesn't just mean American anon. Have some standards.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ian Flynn wants the comic to be like a shounen.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And he's an idiot that's done nothing but fumble this whole run.
So, let's talk about the Restoration in Sonic IDW, right? Now, I'm not saying it's the worst thing to ever happen in the Sonic universe, but it's definitely got its issues.
First off, the Restoration is supposed to be this big, important organization that's helping to rebuild the world after the war with Eggman, but what do we really see them doing? Not a whole lot. It's like they're just there to give Sonic and his friends something to do between fights with Eggman.
And speaking of Sonic's friends, why are they all just okay with being part of this organization? They're supposed to be these independent, free-spirited characters, but they're just falling in line with this bureaucratic entity like it's no big deal. It's completely out of character for them.
Plus, the Restoration is supposed to be this beacon of hope and unity, but all it really does is highlight the divisions between the characters. It's like, instead of bringing everyone together, it's just creating more conflict and drama. And not the good kind of drama, either. The kind that just feels forced and unnecessary.
So yeah, the Restoration in Sonic IDW? Not a fan. It feels like a missed opportunity to do something really interesting and meaningful with the post-war world, and instead, it's just kind of... there. And that's not what I want from my Sonic comics, you know?
>And speaking of Sonic's friends, why are they all just okay with being part of this organization?
Because for all intents and purposes they're just a Freedom Fighters reskin. Like it's been said earlier in the thread, Ian and the rest of the writers at IDW just want to continue writing Archie comics so they're trying to force as much of that as they can into the main canon.
He's a pinup artist, not a comic artist, and it's been a constant problem for him. His layouts are usually not great, he has trouble with toning his level of detail up or down as appropriate, and he struggles to direct the reader. He's got an incredible talent for drawing covers rather than interiors, basically, but he's dead set on not being a cover guy.
I can’t believe IDWgays cummed in their pants for that little mention in Frontiers. That game was “off-hand references: the video game”. Wake me up when they actually do something beyond mentioning her offhand, because currently Tangle has less relevance than Princess Elise.
Seeing that one anon coming into these threads over time to get mad over Archie whether through regular posts or the schizo persona is so funny.You even use the same files too dumbass. If you don’t like it, okay, but why do the schizo thing.
He has been at it since 2018, maybe before.
https://desuarchive.org/co/search/image/j5bzVr8sd5UVAyEbj1n8xQ/
https://arch.b4k.co/_/search/boards/v.vg.meta/image/j5bzVr8sd5UVAyEbj1n8xQ/
It’s really funny to see him switch between semi regular posting and then doing the schizo bit.
If you don’t like the comic that’s fine, but why go ruin other threads with schizo posting mode. Makes you actually look mental for doing it for so long. I would like an actual answer anon as I know you’re reading this
He’s an underaged weeb that loves Sonic X that got bullied by Sonic comic fans on /sthg/ and now shits up all comic discussion in revenge. He does not care about IDW he only cares about the Chris Thorndyke show.
Not exactly. Ive seen him say he doesn't like the comic due to reasons and that’s whatever. just going out on a schizo mode persona to raid threads is what actually makes him look a bit loco.
>Sonic isn't in every issue
why call it Sonic if you're not gonna have Sonic, Fleetway had Sonic in every issue and that shit was made by the fricking British
It did but they never were as important or reocurring as Archie and IDW OC's. Almost all of the action were given to game characters. The writers knew it was a sonic comic first and foremost so they never took the spotlight much. Really the only Fleetway OC id argue being close to that level is Shortfuse. Maybe Tekno too in the later run but that was because she was glued to Amy. Also helps that STC format was having 3 different stories in 1 issue so you could follow up what Sonic or Knuckles were doing while the third spot were being used for OCs like Plunder for example.
Fleetway also had stories about characters doing their own shit too without him if you read it.
Which was nice
So did Archie, they just put them in the Universe book.
Yeah that was good, would be good if the game characters got more arcs in IDW
>Sonic isn't in every issue
why call it Sonic if you're not gonna have Sonic, Fleetway had Sonic in every issue and that shit was made by the fricking British
If you want game characters, why don't you just fricking play the games? There will never be a comic solely focused on game characters and no one else. Give it up.
Could there be a comic focused on fun adventures against cool villains? Because that would be a lot better than watching some sadsack wolf cry about a bunch of stock characters that we never got a chance to know or care about.
I never said I wanted exclusively game characters; I don't mind OCs but you absolutely need to be careful when you're giving them the spotlight or else they just become redundant. STC did it right.
You know what I hate the most about this stupid fandom's obsession with "mandates"?
It's that Ian won't take responsibility for causing it. He goes "oh Mr. Penders was the one to use it" and refuses to acknowledge he had multiple times the audience Penders had when he started talking about mandates, and now wants to walk that back without an inkling of a mea culpa.
He's also the guy who started making it a capital M fallback word instead of just a broad term for "boss said do this."
He seems like a nice enough guy, but he has a nasty habit of passing the buck. Whether it's Sega or his editors or his collaborating artist, he throws other people under the bus way too often. I know it sucks to have a bunch of stupid artists talk shit about you even when you do a good job, but you've got to actually be real and say "Yeah, I goofed that one up" sometimes. No halfway "Well, some people say X and I'm listening..." bullshit. Everyone writes a bad story every once in a while, it's fine.
Talk shit for all you want, but the Freedom Fighters and all other Archie OCs actually has fans that care for them. There's a growing amount of Archie fanart and fancomics.
Meanwhile, what the frick has the IDW OCs got? Just shipping autism and...?
>but the Freedom Fighters and all other Archie OCs actually has fans that care for them.
Lol, barely. The only Freedom Fighter people gave a shit about was Sally and the only OCs that got any attention was a green evil Sonic and a white evil Knuckles and I guess a red evil Tails. Don't kid yourself here.
Being an Archiegay and calling IDW shit and being an IDWgay and calling Archie shit are two sides of the same hypocritical coin. It's pots calling their kettles black.
The monarchy the Freedom Fighters were liberating from Robotnik was not the sharpest tool in the shed. Other nations in Archie Sonic suffered H.E.V. Syndrome and were more often than not ill-prepared against Ivo.
Connect the Deadly Six/Lost Hex to the lore or make new lore about them. They feel completely disconnected from the Sonic Universe. They're like a non-canon villain from a filler episode in an anime.
Ian tried to write Zavok as someone who values camaraderie, only for Sega to tell him that's not Zavok's personality and the Deadly Six don't even like each other (Which, to be fair, was the case in Lost World).
By "disconnected" I mean they are completely isolated from everything in-universe and there is nothing from Lost World that can be notably referenced about them.
The Zeti also have no history with Earth to my knowledge. And their own world was bone dry with lore. The only reason you can have them return is "They're assblasted at Sonic for defeating them". Nothing else and that has no substance because what is their overall goal besides that?
>And their own world was bone dry with lore.
The IDW crew could've easily came up with shit to flesh the Lost Hex out. They just don't because they simply don't want to work with it. The Zeti are only in the comic out of obligation, like most of the game shit that isn't related to Forces.
And even Forces gets shafted when it comes down to anything that isnt the OCs. We still don't know what happened to Infinite and the Phantom Ruby, the Wisps are here yet none of their home planets from Colors are even acknowledged, we still don't know what lies in the Null Space, etc.
Like imagine an entire arc around the Game Corner planet from Colors, with the Sonic Simulator malfunctioning and bringing countless digital copies of Sonic their world that wreaks havoc. Or finding out that Infinite has been trapped in the Null Space and Starline finds him to make an alliance. Or just fricking around for a while in the Lost Hex. Just SOMETHING that isn't the OC angstfest the comic is now.
>We still don't know what happened to Infinite and the Phantom Ruby
It "absorbed Infinite" and then disappeared. Sega doesn't give enough of a shit to elaborate anymore, Forces was a failed project.
The Phantom Ruby (Originally called the "Valtron") was something exclusive to Forces, before Sega wanted to connect it to Mania (Which was supposed to be stand alone) where it had different, but similar powers. Originally, Mania was about Eggman getting depressed over his defeat in S3&K and creating the Hard Boiled Heavies, instead of the Phantom Ruby turning Egg Robos into them.
Infinite was a victim of a lot of rewrites. He was originally supposed to be created by Eggman before being changed to a mercenary at the last minute in Shadow's DLC, there is dialog in Forces that still alludes to that by Amy in a stage. Sega seems to just want to forget about that character seems he ultimately came off as half-assed and laughable in the final product.
Well yeah, that's my point. What's the point in being into this post-Forces status quo hell if we can't actually flesh out the concepts the game introduced? Forces and Infinite being failures means nothing when this fanbase was sucking off how Ian Flynn "salvaged" the Archie comics. If he was able to do THAT, surely he could've done the same here, right?
Or maybe it's time to admit that Reboot Archie was a giant meme from the start and Ian's just a hack.
i want her back but good, also to see her job more
You had eight months of buildup and threw it all away with a single bucket. Frick off.
i'd rather that than tangle and whisper shit for a whole year. But i just hope they make her more consistent when she comes back she has the making of a great villian.
>The main difference is that IDW characters have better chances of being referenced or appearing in official stuff after it ends, similar to Sticks.
lolno
Compared to Sticks, IDW oc shit is still the bottom of the barrel. They weren't made by Sonic Team. Sticks was, moron.
They're also not into Pokemon for good visuals, character designs, creature designs, music, pet interactions, map design, and engaging single player gameplay apparently
The only thing that's consistently good about Pokemon nowadays is the merchandise. Everything, from the story, to the characters, to the new designs (and before you ask no I don't say this as a genwunner, designs have gotten absolutely awful in the leap from 3DS to Switch), the gameplay, the quality and price of the games, sucks fricking ass.
At least we're aware Sonic is shit overall. Pokemon fans are deep in denial about how utterly terrible the franchise has been nowadays.
Anyone else think that the thing hurting Sonic is Sega? Sega embraced the idea of getting edgy and making Eggman a repeat offender at being a global threat. But at the same time Sega refuses to have Sonic kill the evil c**t and now Sega is trying to pretend Eggman is this nice father figure to his creations when most of his creations abandon him because he is too much of an evil c**t. No amount of retcons by Sega will undo that Eggman deserves to be killed. As things are now the franchise is stagnant and Sonic is written as an impotent hero. And I mean the games by Sega. From Sega we see the problems in other media get worse.
Sega has always been Sonic's worst enemy, but Eggman being poorly handled is exclusively Ian's fault. He can't decide whether he wants to continue the irredeemable bastard persona he had in the Archie comics or to have him as a sympathetic figure capable of change. Instead we get both at the same time and it just doesn't work.
Sega's Eggman was never the pure-distilled evil that was Archie's Eggman, the latter really just needs to be dropped already because it creates the most uncomfortable dissidence the way he goes back and forth.
Ian clearly wants to make Eggman RoboHitler, but knows that personality can't stick in a game oriented setting, so he tries at bare minimum to make Eggman a mishmash of both which makes Eggman look inconsistent, but I think he's slowly accepting he can't write Eggman like that successfully anymore.
SEGA doesn't understand that what made people get attached to the franchise is how earnest it used to be, despite the cringe.
Eggman having a fatherly side to him only stemmed from Flynn being Frontier's head writer. He's not a good writer, but he gets it. The Japanese translation of the game got fricking butchered because SoJ doesn't like it when the characters are even at least two-dimensional.
SoJ corrected the whole "Sonic emoting and being empathetic" so fricking hard that now the guy reads like a fricking furry Patrick Bateman, unable to feel anything but euphoria or aggression. That whole "he's only cool because he's snarky and doesn't care" mentality was only parroted by dumbfricking emotionally stunted gamers that were never fans of the series, both SoA and SoJ were fricking dumbasses for trying to pander to it.
Shadow got demoted to a shitty Vegeta rip-off when his whole appeal, more than the other two examples, was the earnestness of his character, the fact that he wasn't just a one-noted butthole.
Who the frick cares if the furries express feelings other than WAKU WAKU and snark. The "cringe" was the appeal of it all.
Friza isn't dead anymore
Cell only isn't dead anymore because he's too hard to animate unless they will start using cel shaded 3D models for the animations moving forward (which is why notCell was used for the Gohan Blanco movie)
Buu was revivled as Uub for Goku's fighting boner)
Point is there's zero Japanese show that is designed to continue forever where demon spawns stay dead forever. If fans love them, they are permanent and you must cope with that fact. Sonic to SEGA is diet DBZ so until they reboot him permanently and kill off all Adventuregays forever, no one is ever going to stay dead forever.
Commander Red
King Piccolo
Raditz
Nappa
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
King Cold
Android 19
Android 20
Cell
Spopovich (and his brother)
Pui Pui
Yakon
Dabura
Babidi
Majin Buu (Evil)
Baby
Super 17
The Shadow Dragons
Goku Black
Zamasu
Paragus
Moro
Gas
Elec
Magenta
Cell Max >he's too hard to animate unless they will start using cel shaded 3D models for the animations moving forward (which is why notCell was used for the Gohan Blanco movie)
It has been stated that every DB movie going forward will be animated like Super Hero. Meaning Cell's spots are irrelevant. Along with that do you really fricking think they wouldn't just have Cell absorb a new android or something to get a new form that removes the spots if they actually wanted him back? Don't be stupid.
No, I don't. Good writers would be able to accommodate for the needs of the setting. Every franchise has their 'setting' and every writer for every franchise is expected to adhere to certain standards for that setting to keep it true to the brand. If they do anything 'experimental' it should be done with the brand's consent and interest and only with good writers managing the 'experimental' story.
SEGA is doing wrong but they aren't the ones writing the comic. They set the boundaries for what they allow in the comic and it's up to the people making the comic to make something of quality with what they were given.
>Bored.
I'd say it's more that he's frustrated he can't write it the way he wants to and keeps fighting it instead of accepting Sonic has to be something different.
Hes always on Cinemaphile. Hes a dude that shows up in almost every IDW Sonic thread to shit on the Archie comics and bait people into replying back just so he can shit the thread too.
And when he cant do that, he either samegays to make up replies, or simply spergs out and spams KYS like he did in this thread.
It's the IDWschizo. He's some nutter who's super-butthurt that everyone hates IDW Sonic so he constantly shits on Archie Sonic in response. He really hates Princess Sally and likes to claim that everyone who isn't a rabid IDW-humper is equivalent to Richmunk (who is himself an Archie-loving schizo diaperfur).
I tried to play Chronicles because the idea of a Sonic RPG seemed interesting but it felt so underwhelming compared to something like the Super Mario RPG that I ended up dropping it after a few minutes.
That's why you have to get real familiar to his posting style before jumping the gun, he knows what he's doing. If anything he coming here is a gamble since Cinemaphile actually cares enough to delete posts from shitposters when requested, but on Cinemaphile Sonic threads he literally just gets away scott free and only stops when it's his bedtime.
It's okay but it focuses too much on OCs for my taste. I don't really care about the furry lesbians and when the writers and artists behind the comic keep on trying to focus on inserting gay couples into Sonic the Hedgehog comics it tells me they aren't exactly focusing on what they should be.
The only OC I really like or enjoy in IDW is Surge because she has little to nothing to do with the lesbians and her story actually revolves around Sonic characters.
Just recently, I was reading the new chapter with the mimic homie and his whole deal, when it struck me: I didn't care about this at all. I like whisper and tangle on the surface level but by no means does that mean I want their lore to last 4 issues that are 2 months apart each.
basically yeah really tho the problem is they push them too damn much. Like can we talk about how were getting almost a year of tangle and whisper and no real sonic or main cast focus.
Last arc: all about new diamond cutters(who cares)
next arc: mimic sneaking into the not friendfighters and diamond cutters being friends for like 4-6 issues
arc after that: Surge tries to join not freedom fighters most likely getting put into diamond cutters since they are the only team in that group and have had so much focus. Surge will either join the tangle harem or be lanolin's gf so basically 12+ chapters of tangle whisper garbage. An I bet sonic won't have anything to do with helping surge which would ruin the main point of the arc which revolves around the two.
So, let's talk about the Restoration in Sonic IDW, right? Now, I'm not saying it's the worst thing to ever happen in the Sonic universe, but it's definitely got its issues.
First off, the Restoration is supposed to be this big, important organization that's helping to rebuild the world after the war with Eggman, but what do we really see them doing? Not a whole lot. It's like they're just there to give Sonic and his friends something to do between fights with Eggman.
And speaking of Sonic's friends, why are they all just okay with being part of this organization? They're supposed to be these independent, free-spirited characters, but they're just falling in line with this bureaucratic entity like it's no big deal. It's completely out of character for them.
Plus, the Restoration is supposed to be this beacon of hope and unity, but all it really does is highlight the divisions between the characters. It's like, instead of bringing everyone together, it's just creating more conflict and drama. And not the good kind of drama, either. The kind that just feels forced and unnecessary.
So yeah, the Restoration in Sonic IDW? Not a fan. It feels like a missed opportunity to do something really interesting and meaningful with the post-war world, and instead, it's just kind of... there. And that's not what I want from my Sonic comics, you know?
it's why i call them the not freedom fighters (that and i forget the name lol) but yeah I will say i hate it as a initial concept it was cool especially with amy being the leader gave her some character and responsiblity. Then it was given to an oc. Now it's basically just the Oc maker/plot point any oc goes there can meet the other oc and build a team of Ocs surge is going their soon and you can bet she won't be talking with sonic or tails nope Ocs.
Really i hated using the word Ocs at first because i had hope that they'd become something more than just eyecandy and blanks but really idk what else to call most of these nothingburger characters. Like the beetle girl why and how did she become the leader she hides and cries. "oh but she can do work" so make her a damn secretary, but she became the leader because she was some writers favorite oc and had to be made relevant to the plot. Why did lanolin join the diamond cutters because she's someone's favorite Oc and had been trying to find a spot for her for years. Why do the new diamond cutters even exist when we have like 5 plus better teams and 20+ better characters? it give the Ocs something to do and plot relevant so they can be main characters too and now we've wasted about 5 months on them and another 4-6 coming soon and maybe more if my theory that surge will get involved with them is true. Basically it's just an Oc factory my dude a poorly written plotpoint a mcguffin.
Restoration is the authority replacement in Sonic's non-authoritarian world. Theres no President Sonic or Monarch Sonic ruling over the Sonic World. Theres prison and its warden, but there is no government. Just a voluntary force put together post-war, formed from the rebellion army that was put together because they didn't even have armed forces to defend themselves from invasion.
the restoration don't have any authority, they're just the freedom fighters post-endgame. for fricks sake eggman literally just died again and disappeared from the story
it's why i call them the not freedom fighters (that and i forget the name lol) but yeah I will say i hate it as a initial concept it was cool especially with amy being the leader gave her some character and responsiblity. Then it was given to an oc. Now it's basically just the Oc maker/plot point any oc goes there can meet the other oc and build a team of Ocs surge is going their soon and you can bet she won't be talking with sonic or tails nope Ocs.
Really i hated using the word Ocs at first because i had hope that they'd become something more than just eyecandy and blanks but really idk what else to call most of these nothingburger characters. Like the beetle girl why and how did she become the leader she hides and cries. "oh but she can do work" so make her a damn secretary, but she became the leader because she was some writers favorite oc and had to be made relevant to the plot. Why did lanolin join the diamond cutters because she's someone's favorite Oc and had been trying to find a spot for her for years. Why do the new diamond cutters even exist when we have like 5 plus better teams and 20+ better characters? it give the Ocs something to do and plot relevant so they can be main characters too and now we've wasted about 5 months on them and another 4-6 coming soon and maybe more if my theory that surge will get involved with them is true. Basically it's just an Oc factory my dude a poorly written plotpoint a mcguffin.
And he's an idiot that's done nothing but fumble this whole run.
[...] >And speaking of Sonic's friends, why are they all just okay with being part of this organization?
Because for all intents and purposes they're just a Freedom Fighters reskin. Like it's been said earlier in the thread, Ian and the rest of the writers at IDW just want to continue writing Archie comics so they're trying to force as much of that as they can into the main canon.
Restoration is the authority replacement in Sonic's non-authoritarian world. Theres no President Sonic or Monarch Sonic ruling over the Sonic World. Theres prison and its warden, but there is no government. Just a voluntary force put together post-war, formed from the rebellion army that was put together because they didn't even have armed forces to defend themselves from invasion.
Does it ever occur to any of you that this is what Sega wants i.e. their own Freedom Fighters minus all the shitty Archie baggage? G.U.N. filled this role somewhat but the recent "no humans" mindset makes them wary of this.
Suggest a replacement for Ian and Evan as writers without mentioning that homosexual Maekawa or homosexual(s) behind the Fleetway shit
It HAS to be someone that NEVER touched Sonic but is a real writer you'd actually get out of a critically acclaimed franchise of literate. Someone that would "get Sonic" when given the chance to write for him.
>Do the editor's job for them.
In what world is the editor this "messiah" of perfecting works? It's like saying a localizer is a better writer than the actual writer
Oh wait that was literally what happened between Colors-Forces. It was dogshit. A real writer don't need a leash.
>>Also new talent isn't allowed.
I didn't say that shithead, learn how to read.
>Talent acquisition is part of an editor's job on books like this.
To clean up work, not to rewrite it as "good". A writer is a writer, you don't know a "editor" for art unless you consider storyboards as the "art" and the final product as the "edit" when the actual artists are the ones doing the "edit" part. That's flipped in the writing department.
Notice how even though Surge is a villain she is partially written as sympathetic while most of the male villains are written as unsympathetically villainous with the only exception being Surge's partner Kit who is a packaged deal?
>cater to women >remove male privilege >oh shit, how do we say women are still underneath the patriarchy? >make up a word... um... intersectionality! >massively overprivilege women >ignore all the stats saying men have nothing and are worth nothing
Do you think these sociologists ever take a step back and realise they're simping for the matriarchs?
They didn't have to go out of their way to give Eggman an unquestionably saint-like alter ego when he had amnesia
They didn't even have to do an amnesia plot at all
On the same note, they also made Metal arguably more sympathetic than Heroes ever did
And once again, Eggman wasn't created by the IDW staff and neither is Metal Sonic. The (male) villains they create aren't given the same kind of sympathetic qualities.
So? My point is that they added sympathetic elements where none existed before, whether they're Original the Characters or not is irrelevant to how they write, Sega did not order them to invent these things for the existing characters
9 months ago
Anonymous
Eggman (in the games) was never a pure evil guy and had very human moments to him, and Metal Sonic was written as sympathetic in Rivals 2. What IDW is doing with them is nothing new to the characters.
>even though Surge is a villain she is partially written as sympathetic
"partially" is being very generous.
For someone who moans and groans over her "stolen life" or whatever, Surge obviously enjoys her new existence as a superpowered thug, so all her crying and "justification" for the awful things she does rings pretty hollow, let alone the fact her reasons keep changing, from "you're the reason all this happens, because you don't kill your enemies" to "as long as you exist I'll always just be your fake, your copy". I really feel IDW has no actual idea of what to do with Surge.
>I really feel IDW has no actual idea of what to do with Surge.
Should've had her just stay a substitute Scourge and a Dark Sonic instead of making her sympathetic, or at least save that aspect for later after some encounters with Sonic and the gang. Her character evolution went by so fast in one arc.
Surge being a moronic gremlin who hates the world specifically just to fill the void where her thoughts should be both literally and metaphorically is a neat direction for a villain, but that depends on what they do with her now that her big intro arc is over
I like it in concept more than Scourge literally just being bizarro Sonic with not much to offer beyond action
>Come up with one of the best characters in the series >Kill him off because they tapped out his first and only character arc and they couldn't come up with anything else for him beyond using him as a jumping off point for Surge's character
Why
Starline wasn't actually that great. He had the POTENTIAL to be great, but all of it went to waste, just like Surge and Kit, just like Belle, just like this whole damn comic.
Unless a character being unashamedly gay automatically makes them the best thing ever to you, then Starline is the greatest character ever.
Starline was just fun to watch. He was a delusional, pretentious fanboy who overestimated himself for than Eggman and it constantly bites him in the ass.
It’s stupid how the supposed reason the creative team uses Doughnut Steels as much as they do is because OCs are less restrictive than game characters yet Starline was the only OC in the comic that had actual character development. Everyone else remained exactly the same as when they were first introduced. They killed him off because the writers are hacks and couldn’t figure out what to do with him next.
>>Kill him off because they tapped out his first and only character arc and they couldn't come up with anything else for him beyond using him as a jumping off point for Surge's character
You mean >create a personality for Eggman >copypaste this into an OC who can lay eggs >have him be a background character then THE MAIN character >give him a big story build up... then kill him before anything happens >... oh yeah he had some lackeys or something, Verge and Shit >um and er over if Verge and Shit will do anything (spoiler: they don't)
When Eggman suddenly lost plot protection and Starline could frick with him (hacked his shit, left audio messages) because the gay duck's dead... I didn't know what to feel
>Come up with one of the best characters in the serie
Yeah, I still don't understand why people think this.
The Bad Guys is the only good storyline from IDW Sonic because it has no Sonic, no Belle, no Tails. Nothing
I still don't understand why they set up Surge and Kit to eventually betray Starline only to have him die without ever knowing they were going to stab him in the back.
That happened in Imposters, but Surge wiped it out of his memory.
Ch 50 focused on Starline being a frickup. Surge trips against Sonic, because she is emotional mess. Kit lost to Tails, because he has no backbone. Starline lost to Eggman, because he underestimated Eggman. Ch 50 is all about Starline.
He'll never be Mammoth Mogul, but it's weird how little play this guy's gotten
Mid-level organizational villains are great fun in between the more bombastic shit
He has no skills, weapons or abilities besides money, he's less a character and more of a plot device.
Also he looks really smelly.
Clutch doesn't really come off as threatening. Most of the cast can kick his ass in a fight. Mogul was at least some weird magic mammoth even though the character still sucked ass.
Most characters can also kick Eggman's ass, but he covers for that with his tech
A mob boss-type villain would do the same with his underlings and black market bullshit
>Eggman can outrun Sonic
Begone, power level autism >Meanwhile Clutch can... hire a bunch of jobbers and sell illegal things?
Business bad guys are less effective than genuine supervillains, but still functional in a different way
That's what would make him a solid mid-level villain in between bigger Eggman shenanigans, as I said
If the plot requires it to end with a big fight, that can be against some high-level hired help like Mimic or something, or with some particularly hefty trafficked weapons or magic, it doesn't have to be all mechs all the time
Explain the biggest thing that could be done with Clutch for a story arc.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Mob run Casino Zone.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Between Robotnik, Mogul and Breezie, that's painfully "been there done that".
9 months ago
Anonymous
The games have Casino Zone, so the comics have Casino Zone. Shut up.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Clutch buys out the restoration
9 months ago
Anonymous
he takes over studiopolis and uses 5g waves to (insert evil thing here)
9 months ago
Anonymous
Literally anything that's ever been done with a character like Kingpin, just with the exact mechanics of the final showdown being more plot-specific than a boxing match
Even most of the fricking schemes Eggman's pulled with ancient artifacts would play out roughly the same, you could take SA1 and replace the mech fights and Gamma's story with underling characters while inserting some dialog about him doing it for monetary or gang-style turf war reasons and the only major content that would need to be different would be the Egg Carrier
9 months ago
Anonymous
Man, I wrote all that and didn't even think about the Riders games
Not only could you swap the characters out without changing basically anything, but a character like Clutch would honestly make more sense for something like that
9 months ago
Anonymous
Literally anything that's ever been done with a character like Kingpin, just with the exact mechanics of the final showdown being more plot-specific than a boxing match
Even most of the fricking schemes Eggman's pulled with ancient artifacts would play out roughly the same, you could take SA1 and replace the mech fights and Gamma's story with underling characters while inserting some dialog about him doing it for monetary or gang-style turf war reasons and the only major content that would need to be different would be the Egg Carrier
He's always rummaging through eggman's old shit and refurbishing it so you could also use him as a way to bring back anything from the games, like the various egg pawns or egg carriers
Pretty much every new character for the comic gets underutilized or shows up an appropriate amount/too much without actually doing shit. It's very frustrating.
According to Ian, he meant for Starline to just be flamboyant, but because social media/twitter reacted so positively to the idea of him being a literal flaming homosexual, he decided to go all in on it.
You can't say it didn't work as far as appeasing those who inspired the idea went.
It's biggest problem is its format. Monthly releases make it such a slog to experience in up-to-date time; a problem that's plagued Ian's stuff since Iron Kingdom back in Archie.
It really is an alright to pretty good reading experience when you read 4 books worth of material back to back. Their "graphic novel" compilations legitimately feel like the way they're intended to be read.
Lots of anons in the thread want the comic to get cancelled out of spite/resentment for Ian, Evan, ABT, whoever the frick, or because of characters they hate getting screentime.
I want it to get cancelled so they can try a different format and get a much less restrictive playing field. Do a non-descript timeskip/soft reboot to explain shit changing. Make tri-annual 80-100 page graphic novels the standard format. Use leftover pages for character one-shots or small little Classic stories.
I really can't bring myself to hate anyone on the creative team. I just wish they could pick a format that clearly works better for then and the audience, and IDW won't give that.
The monthly format thing always sucks for any actual storytelling. I don't give a shit because it's only relevant in the month while throughout the rest of time it'll be read in one go so that's more important
>and get a much less restrictive playing field.
It's not restrictive at all.
They just want to do to Sonic what neither SEGA nor the fans want done with Sonic.
"Shadow has to be Vegeta" isn't restricted at all and we don't know what the "mandate" is anyway.
1) I'm not a fan of the art. Whoever the artists behind the comics are doing a terrible job. They're trying too hard to make the art look like a mix of modern-day Disney cartoony meme-ish style mixed with anime. It just doesn't look right to me. It got this hipster/SJW look to it. I just don't know how to explain it. Evan Stanley is not a good artist. Please don't let her draw any of the characters.
2) I really dislike the OCs. It seems that American or Western Comic Artists are not very good at creating unique Sonic characters. When you look at Marine the Raccoon, Blaze the Cat and such, you can easily tell that they're actual Sega characters due to their interesting designs. But the IDW characters, they feel more like DeviantArt designs than actual Sega-like characters. Tangle and Whisper designs don't interest me. Just an excuse to make furry like designs.
And they don't have unique abilities or characteristics. Knuckles is strong. Tails is smart and flies with his 2 tails. Sonic is fast. Amy is cute and has a hammer. Cream is adorable with a powerful ass-kicking chao. Shadow is an edgy cool looking Sonic that can air skate. All the Sega characters stands out, but the IDW characters can't find their own personality. Tangled and Whisper are wannabe Sally and Nicole. And Surge is just Scourge. Literally the same character.
3) The stories are incredibly boring. They rehash the same plots from Archie Comics and just repackaged it.
At this point, I don't see the reason in having IDW around if Sega restricts them from doing anything. It's so damn annoying. I get it... Sega don't want IDW to get buck-wild like Archie did in the past. But that's what I loved about Archie. It was a hot mess, but it was very enjoyable because it wasn't canon to actual Sega Sonic games but it did gave Archie freedom to do what they wanted.
4) Shadow is such an butthole now. I miss when he was more of a quiet, stoic but very wienery character. Now he thinks he's Vegeta. It was established after Sonic Heroes & Sonic Battle that Shadow and Rouge became Sonic's trusted allies. Especially in Sonic 06.
5) The writing is trash. Ian Flynn is not a good writer. People are hyping this guy up. He was never a good storyteller.
His writing revolves around references and nostalgia. He ain't no Frank Miller, Steve Dikto, Jack Kirby, Todd McFarlane, Jim Lee, Chris Claremont or Stan Lee. If he was such a good writer and character designer, then Sega would most likely pick up his work and have it canon.
Honestly, Sonic fans needs to wake up. The IDW comics are trash. They wanna bash on the Archie comics like it's the black plague, when the IDW comics copied and paste everything from Archie. IDW has been going on since 2018, I think? And nothing happened yet. At least with Archie, they developed an entire lore, setting and universe. I'm so over this crap.
To be frank, Sonic hasn't been good ever since the original Sonic Team trio left.
Naoto Ohshima left Sega after Sonic Adventure (1998).
Hirokazu Yasuhara left Sega after 1997.
Yuji Naka left the series after 2006.
Which is interesting because each of those years represented Sonic's downfall.
Naoto and Hirokazu's departure in the late 90's most likely were the reason for Sega Dreamcast's downfall.
Because those two were the Heart and Soul of Sonic.
And Yuji Naka leaving Sonic in 2006 was the final nail in the coffin. He is considered the spirit of Sonic.
Naka dipping on the production of Sonic 2006 was the sole reason Sonic got all the hate later on.
2006 could have been a major hit. If those 3 would have gotten back together to make new Sonic games now.
I bet you they will be masterpieces and well-received. Even if they decided to get the band back together, Sega want nothing to do with Yuji Naka due him having a criminal record now.
Now we got all these sweaty try hards in Sega trying to mimic the original trio's ideas, but it will never be the same again. Only good additions were Christian Whitehead who did indie Sonic games and eventually lead the production for Sonic Mania. That was a breath of fresh air. But there hasn't been anyone who can give the Modern Sonic series a true direction like the 1998-2006 era of Sonic.
Classic Sonic was emulating Mega Man. While Adventure Sonic (1998-2006 era) was emulating Mega Man X.
They wanted to go for more mature storylines and plot. As long as we have these hacks leading Sega now, and these annoying dipshit writers in IDW. Sonic will never get back to his original glory days.
I am a shipgay turbo autist, is there romance or kiss scenes like in Archie?
not really besides the implied Whisper x Tangle stuff, honestly fandom will be what has to feed ya as Sega isn't gonna let stuff like that happen or be implied much anymore, sorry my dude as a fellow ship creature. What pairings do you like besides my guess Sonally?
Not awful and doesn't reach any negative qualities but it's rarely interesting often failing to meet potential on great characters like Surge
the classic stories are always good, that's the most consistent positive thing
It's not very interesting. It feels like you're just supposed to keep reading because your a Sonic fan, not for the content itself.
>It feels like you're just supposed to keep reading because your a Sonic fan, not for the content itself.
Best description. It does a really bad job justifying why you should care about the characters and most stories are slight variants on the same events. There's only so many times the cast can smack badniks and assorted disposable furries before it gets boring.
Scrapnik Island's probably the best story they've done so far because
>It actually has a decent setup
>It has conflicts aside from smacking stuff
It’s based on a fricking action game I’ve never played one where you don’t just blow shit up
Where is the joke Dobson
If anything there's too much Sonic and too little anything of substance.
Wasted potential: the comic. It has ideas and concepts that aren't bad in a vacuum, but executes them in just about the worst way possible. It rushes through things with no setup and even less payoff, while somehow feeling bloated the whole way through. Every character in it acts like a braindead moron just so the comic can force these plots to even happen.
As a standalone comic, it's bland and uninteresting. But as a comic made to be a tie in to Sonic games, it's insultingly awful.
None of it is ever actively bad, but the vast majority is really boring. A lot of nothing happens. There's a few good stories here and there. Even as a kid I'd be pretty underwhelmed.
>None of it is ever actively bad
I disagree.
Her stuff isn't bad, just pointless. She's IDW's Mina.
I'm not sure that comparison works. Belle's problem is she keeps repeating the same plot of "oh no Eggman's my father!" over and over again. Mina's just a general source of trouble, sometimes related to Sonic, sometimes not.
I don't mean their character. I mean I'm that they were added without much thought towards "now what?" Mina was added to create a love triangle, and after that...they had no idea so they went a million different directions. Belle exists for the Mr. Tinker confrontation, and it happened so now...she's around until they follow up on that. Before and after that they sort of shrugged and established her deal and wallowed in it.
Both of them are both so custom built for one function that they don't add anything and can't adapt well to other stories.
Belle is the character that fixes equipment and stuff on the background when Tails is not specifically doing it. She is also the character that understands Eggman's coding. She downloaded Metal's files into her system thats making Badniks ignore her which is leading to something, and Starline left some evidence into her that leads towards what he did to Surge and Kit. Belle herself plans to rescue abandoned badniks and turn them unhostile. She is also currently trying to repair the motobug Tinker made.
Metal has been given orders to not harm Belle, which amuses Sonic.
>Belle is the character that fixes equipment and stuff on the background
I'm ALMOST certain that's against one of Sega's rules, about how only Tails and Eggman can be depicted as mechanics. Starline was never shown actually MAKING anything he claimed to have created.
He didn't anticipate yurigays attacking people who ship Tangle and Whisper with guys, which did end up happening.
>yurishitters being unable to cope at the thought of them not being full on gay
that’s so pathetic holy shit
Innit though? Makes me wanna ship Silver and Whisper even more.
>Silver and Whisper
The next few issues are gonna be pretty ugly...
I don’t understand why people ship these two. They interacted like once, I guess it’s because Whisper is a Blaze clone and people really want another Blazilver. If you really just want to push a het ship to own the libs epic style Tangle and Sonic is a better ship. Those two have at least interacted in a meaningful way.
Very few people "legitimately" ship Silver and Whisper, the majority of it is just pushback against Whispangle in the form of shitposting.
Yeah, I get that your owning the libs epic style. But there are better ways to go about it than pushing a crackship.
I'll wait for the next storytime to see if it's gone anywhere because the delays are awful for an "ongoing" comic. And because we skipped some issues last time.
I think it was okay for a children's comic but it's constantly had issues
>some artists don't jerk off before drawing
>can't decide if it's for boys or girls
>good guys: pissing and shitting and crying and b***hing and moaning
>bad guys: immensely fun... but never around
>not an action comic, afraid of depicting anything physical
>Eggman is slowly getting away!
>no world building... no world at all "Oh, Eggman has this facilities and uh, yeah, now Sonic is smashing it up or whatever, and the freedom fighters have a place or something, and there's a campsite, and a hotel in a snowy place, who cares really"
Honestly seems to just be Japanese taint. Too many writers/artists want to copy their preferred manga, and even if (You) like that garbage you can't justify an expensive, monthly release that feels like a knockoff, when what you want is a weekly you pirate or just get for nothing regardless.
>I don’t understand why people ship these two. They interacted like once,
Because their first and only interaction involved Whisper blushing.
>Fleetway had Sonic in every issue and that shit was made by the fricking British
20th century Euro comics shit on current American Japan-lite and LGBT fetish comics. It's shocking how they knew what a comic should be and modernity doesn't.
Wait, Boco is british?
No wonder he's such a sperg.
Thats a British thing? I just think it sounds funny.
>Silver and Whisper
What's even the chemistry?
Well ya see, Silver was sucking her metaphorical dick in issue 3 or 4 or whenever he was telling Sonic about her and uhhh something something Evan Stanly?
There is nothing but everyone is used to things "just happening" in this book that it's almost believable
>I'm ALMOST certain that's against one of Sega's rules, about how only Tails and Eggman can be depicted as mechanics.
Tails and Eggman are inventors. Belle is only a fixer, like how Eggman can utilize badniks for general maintenance. The animals are still allowed to fix a tire, its not that strict. Starline is allowed to invent, but not beyond Eggman or Gerald.
Where do I read sonic comics IDW and Archie online? I don't want to buy one
https://tails.kicks-ass.net/
Uhh.. I still can't read anything on it
sign up
Frick no
Just use readcomic online then.
can't you just fricking google it?
It killed Archie sonic and pissed off every disheveled 30 year old who liked those comics. Thats good enough for me.
>It killed Archie sonic and pissed off every disheveled 30 year old who liked those comics.
Wasn't that Penders? If anything, this is Ian's sad attempt to keep Archie comics alive as possible but without Penders involvement so he can't sue. People hate IDW though cuz they are tsundere for Pender's creations.
No. It went long after the Penders thing. Rumour is (and that's all there is) Archie was just done with licensed books since they were getting their money from Riverdale
How many of those fans hate Riverdale because of that ?
Basically none because it's a boring answer so they don't even know.
I hate IDW because it refuses to let the spirit of Archie die and be its own thing. Now the games themselves are tainted with this schlock writing.
Its good when compared to other western comics. Theres an attempt to please yuri shippers that is starting to badly affect the quality of writing. Its a better read for non-Sonic fans, the usual complaint is that it focuses too much on secondary characters instead of purely being about Sonic and just Sonic. The build ups take long and give small releases in each arc, which annoys long time fans. The visuals are great, but require looking at the panels instead of just reading the texts, which causes some readers be unable to understand what is going on. On top of that, the reader is supposed to hold information past several pages, which further confuses several readers.
>It's good when compared to other western comics.
Maybe if your only frame of reference is superhero outrage bait.
I meant ongoing, mostly american, which is a lot superhero outrage bait and safe corporebellion nonsense.
>This is the most disingenuous spin I've seen on Cinemaphile
Its meant for children, but it still manages to be too hard for a lot of sonic fans. I've listen to podcasts, not one but several, that are dedicated to read along these comics, and they keep making huge mistakes, like believing "characters have died" -level of mistakes. The community is not a good place to fish for pros or cons, as its so all over the place, and a lot of it is nonsense.
>Continues to double down on the "I think this is communicated poorly = I am not able to comprehend" thing.
Come on. Stupid people exist, but you know what you're doing.
>communicated poorly
Thats your excuse. Works on my end, so - manages to be too hard for a lot of sonic fans.
Yeah, you're going to keep pretending something can't be functional but bad. Who do you think you're fooling?
>something can't be functional but bad
You had that discussion in your head without me.
So people can comprehend these things but think they're poorly conveyed.
Glad we've come to an understanding.
You've come to an conclusion. I've said nothing about that.
Uh huh.
The comic has bad layouts on occasion.
>The visuals are great, but require looking at the panels instead of just reading the texts, which causes some readers be unable to understand what is going on. On top of that, the reader is supposed to hold information past several pages, which further confuses several readers.
This is the most disingenuous spin I've seen on Cinemaphile outside of the literal schizoposting in Batman threads.
I think most people liked those characters in theory more than in practice.
list your top five comics
Corto Maltese, Moomins, Calvin & Hobbes, Nemesis the Warlock, Pink Lemonade.
The only reason to read it are the villains (Surge, Kit and Starline + Eggman, but he's good basically every time), the good guys are actual garbage. It's funny how all of the original 'heroes' suck.
Do people forget that the original Archie freedom fighters sucked ass in the beginning too? You had:
>Sally "Bitching at Sonic all the time" Acorn
>The Frenchie Antonie
>Fat nerd Rotor
The only interesting one was fricking Rabbot but mainly because of her robot side, if she was just a bunny, nobody would have cared. The thing is, these originally terrible characters got character development over time which made them become interesting. IDW needs the more time and development for the characters to grow out of their "terrible additions" phase.
Except the issue is that the IDW characters can't progress farther than that because of all the limitations that modern sonic comics have, archie had a lot of garbage but it had basically complete freedom over the plots.
Hell, the entire reason Surge and Kit are brainwashed children who got kidnapped by starline is because SEGA didn't want Starline to be a gerald-tier scientist.
>Hell, the entire reason Surge and Kit are brainwashed children who got kidnapped by starline is because SEGA didn't want Starline to be a gerald-tier scientist.
TO BE FAIR, I didn't want that either. Dude was just an Eggman idolizer who came out of nowhere. Him just kidnapping children and suping them up sounds more believable than being able to "create two ultimate life forms" with little resources or backing from other government scientists. Like, it was implied by the Biolizard that it took Gerald a bunch of tries to create Shadow.
Honestly I would've preferred a different origin story entirely. Like, have them be from Blaze's dimension, or maybe from the Lost Hex. Like, just anything outside of the needlessly edgy bullshit that makes it hard to have fun with these characters.
I think having a couple edgy characters is fine. Them being the very goofy looking punk ass loser versions of Sonic and Tails was a bad idea.
Still preferable to putting a body count on Eggman's hands for no reason and then b***hing when the readers ask why the heroes don't lock him up or why the sniper doesn't kill him.
No because early archie sonic sucked ass. You'd be better off just reading any random Beano.
I liked the early issues more than the rest of it. Not amazing, but good for what it wanted to be
>Amy "psycho stalker fangirl obsess Sonic all the time" Rose
>The morono MUH EMORLDS Knuckles
>literal sperg kid nerd Tails
And only Blaze out of them all was any interesting.
Two can play the same game too.
Ant stopped sucking around #28 with his side story stuff
Bunnie was upheld with the ability to do shit in combat and the rabbit side got fleshed out in Ian years.
Rotor was hopeless until the reboot
Sally always stood on shipper bait yet was such a big attraction Sega wanted to incorporate her into other stuff.
Throughout the entire time all the chars were getting better post 25. We're inching closer to 75 on IDW and everyone still feels like they are at issue 1. It is pretty clear that being glued to static game world has failed and game gays should not get comics.
I wouldn't put it like that. Sally got significantly worse after the gag stories started to fade. Antoine ping ponged from story to story. By 75, they were all kind of bland and unimportant.
I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, though. IDW isn't a comic flying blind with five major writers and a ton of brand changes over five years. It's mostly been two writers who are well acquainted with the brand. The signs were always there, though: Ian's attempt to "rehabilitate" Sally's image stretched over nearly 100 issues. Antoine barely got anything across a decade, Bunnie got the start of an arc, Rotor never REALLY got fixed and Nicole started and ended at "UUUUUUUU WOOBIE SAD >M<".
Rotor is actually way better and should be the one carried over now that Tails gets worse and worse
The thing is, the Freedom Fighters were introduced back before a lot of the modern cast was -- Team Dark, the Babylon Rogues, Silver, Blaze, Cream, etc. Since Sonic didn't have as many friends, there was more room for OCs.
Now that they have to share a spotlight with all the game characters, the IDW OCs just seem even more redundant than even the Archie cast did. It also doesn't help that the setting is so confined and undefined, and that Eggman's the only villain that's really worth a damn.
You can't have an arc where half the cast fights Eggman while the other half fights some other villain, since none of the IDW-original villains are worth a damn. Mimic wouldn't credibly last five seconds as the villain of an arc.
The only reason the OCs exist in IDW is because there is more "creative freedom" with them, but with that mentality, wouldn't it be better to just write your own series instead of a licensed IP? People wanna see characters they recognize, not these new mooks who are only confined to this comic.
Nah, having characters you can do extra shit with (like kill off) is nice. The problem is how they're used. Starline's arc and death was limp.
>wouldn't it be better to just write your own series instead of a licensed IP?
Yes which is why staff on these series tend not to last long. Ian tried to branch out and Penders as well. Penders just sucked so hard when the reality hit that this is the only thing his life has produced.
>Do people forget that the original Archie freedom fighters sucked ass in the beginning too?
So because Archie also sucked, suddenly that makes IDW any hey better? This is what I hate about this comic, it's never judged by its own merits because then fanboys would have to admit it's not very good. It's always "a-at least it's not Penders" like that's some huge accomplishment.
>This is what I hate about this comic, it's never judged by its own merits because then fanboys would have to admit it's not very good. It's always "a-at least it's not Penders" like that's some huge accomplishment.
Fricking THIS.
Archie's dark age had some of the most infamously idiotic comics ever, with shit like Charmy Bee doing LSD and Titan Tails ass-voring Mammoth Mogul. Yet IDW dickriders are proud to read a comic that's only mildly better than Archie's absolute lowest points.
They both suck, but IDW is current, so people are going to be more forgiving because the "Just wait and see!" aspect on it with people coping that it will one day get better (it isn't). Once IDW ends and possibly replaced with something else you'll see loads of people shitting on it.
I think IDW’s legacy is going to be the exact same as the Archie reboot’s legacy. People will simply forget about it, nobody will look back fondly at it but won’t really bemoan it either. You may see some of the girls still appearing in porn but that’s about it.
Probably this.
Nah. Archie reboot has more people recalling to it as the "perfect mishmash of Sonic stuff into one". It's not forgettable. People also point to it as the right way to handle FFs.
IDW stuff will definitely get forgotten though.
Nobody cares about the reboot freedom fighters. Anytime someone draws fanart of Sally she’s has her Archie/ SATAM look. All five Nagus fans are going to call him Ixis Nagus, not Walter Nagus.
What if I call him Ixis Walter Naugus?
>It's not forgettable.
I disagree, I found reboot Archie extremely forgettable, outside of "what's different from how things were before?"
It really felt like the Freedom Fighters just didn't belong, as if the comic was struggling to find ways to keep them around.
Pretty much.
The main difference is that IDW characters have better chances of being referenced or appearing in official stuff after it ends, similar to Sticks.
That's mostly half-hearted praise that either comes from people who miss when Sonic could reference stuff from other media than the games and the lack of Classic/Modern divide that barred some characters like Fang and Mighty from appearing in the comics or people who just praised it because it wasn't the pre-reboot.
I doubt Ian has the same kinds of liberties to toy with game lore that he had with the pre-reboot Archie stuff that earned him his praise.
You're pretty much getting assraped by Sega while screaming Ian's name for some reason.
Go back already to /sthg/, Pixy.
>You're pretty much getting assraped by Sega while screaming Ian's name for some reason.
But that doesn't hold water when we get shit like Scrapnik Island, which literally takes place in an abandoned Death Egg and has a reformed Mecha Sonic. If they're capable of fleshing out one of the most infamous stages in Sonic history, then there's no real excuse for the mainline comic to be exclusively OC bullshit.
Hell, none of Ian's "mandates" even mentioned that zones from Forces, Colors, Lost World, whatever were off limits. It's just weak logic all around.
>The main difference is that IDW characters have better chances of being referenced or appearing in official stuff after it ends, similar to Sticks.
lolno
Compared to Sticks, IDW oc shit is still the bottom of the barrel. They weren't made by Sonic Team. Sticks was, moron.
Tangle and Whisper already have plushies of themselves.
Never once seen them in a store.
yawn.
Just imagine a fire breaking out.
People love the reboot though
Who loves the reboot? It’s basically nothing. It has no depth. Half of it is a shitty Megaman crossover.
>liked those characters in theory more than in practice.
Some people try really hard to discredit Archie whenever they can.
No, I'm just saying a lot of the love is built from longevity and filling in blanks themselves. A lot of fans speak well of Antoine's "character arc" when he didn't really have one. It was kind of assumed to happen off screen because he was mostly portrayed as a b***h and occasionally as more competent, got shoved off panel for a few years, and then had a sort of mix of both characterizations when a new writer came on shortly after he returned.
Bunnie's well liked but only really has like three good stories across 20 years despite being a "main" character. More of the love falls on the meta than the actual printed material. Good stuff is there, it's just not where the love first came from.
Most of the comic was bad, so it's very easy to discredit it.
IDW Sonic isn't perfect but it doesn't have all of the nonsensical baggage Archie Sonic suffered from either.
>but it doesn't have all of the nonsensical baggage Archie Sonic suffered from either.
Yeah, I can understand this. Archie Sonic had some good aspects BUT they were tons bad that people like to forget. The Echidna bloat, the infamous slap, etc. There were tons of issues that happened because Archie Sonic was allowed too much freedom. In the end, it was specifically that freedom which allowed Penders to kill the comic. He sued over his characters and won, causing everything to burn.
that and the Xorda crap
Nobody has forgotten any of that and its brought up every time the comic is mentioned and the answer is just skip to 160. Also the 'too much freedom' thing is moronic. Bad art is bad art and Kenders is a shit writer who wrote shit.
>IDW Sonic has no baggage
Why do morons keep saying this? It’s basically a continuation of Archie with the same writers and artists. The writers cannot let Archie go and recycle old ideas from that series, Surge and Starline are basically just Scourge and Snively, the Diamond Cutters are basically the Freedom Fighters. IDW will always live with the baggage of Archie Sonic.
"The Restoration" is basically just Knothole and the Freedom Fighters.
The word is "Sonic is a free spirit who can never stay in just one place. This is why he can't settle down with Amy or have an established residence". And yet IDW keeps going back to Restoration HQ.
Its his huge conflict. He can't let go that Sega wants a strelized Sonic that would work best as self contained one off stories (ala early archie/fleetway)
Instead he and other lore gays keep crying for story that just doesn't work in a super static world. Notice how Archie, Boom, etc worked because Sega gave 0 fricks or wrote them off early.
The only parts I hate is the ABT issues because it's basically porn. Herms is the better artist and I wish he was used far more, maybe even given the rights to a sonic cartoon.
>Archie Sonic
>Allowed too much freedom: Had some great stories in it but also tons of bad moments. In the end, the freedom killed it.
>IDW Sonic
>Too restrictive: story doesn't get as bad as Archie's worst BUT it never reaches the same highs as Archie Sonic either.
Hmmm...Not sure which method is worse.
Its good but Its very safe most of the time.
But its not good.
It has good moments, Scrap island along with how Starline died were pretty great.
Scrap island is a spin off story, and Starline's death happened ages ago. The main comic is a slog right now.
Annoying because the writers have so many mandates and restrictions they have to work under that they can't really do too much interesting or fun stuff with it.
>the writers have so many mandates and restrictions they have to work under that they can't really do too much interesting or fun stuff with it.
If it's that restrictive, how did Barnes nail it first try?
It was self-contained and he did good
>self-contained
Dont you start Slashy
who? Is that another sperg
Scrapnik is overrated and it suffers from the same mandates from the main book, like Sonic has to be invincible and never lose.
>The story suffered because Sonic didn't die.
Whatever you say, man.
Sonic breaks his ankle and still manages to beat a robot designed to surpass him at his peak. The same shit happened in the Surge arc, why even bother giving Sonic injuries if he just beats the bad guy with no setbacks anyway?
>a robot designed to surpass him at his peak.
But it's a worn down and beat up version of a robot he beat back in Sonic & Knuckles.
Mecha was never written as being weak. He beats Tails and Mecha Knuckles. Only when he faces off against Sonic the ultimate Gary-stu does he stand no chance. And again, what was the point of injuring Sonic if the injury doesn’t factor into the story in the slightest? Just to power-wank Sonic? To show that his villains are so unthreatening he could beat them with both hands tied behind his back?
Power level discourse has rotted your mind. He got injured because it facilitated several story beats.
>a rusted out, insane, half-broken Mecha should've beaten Sonic
how many crayons a day do you eat
Ian and Evans shouldn't have been brought back for IDW. it's clear they miss the days of Archie and hate the restrictions SEGA gave them.
But Ian's one of the few writers on IDW who knows how Sonic works. You don't want another Penders scenario, do you?
>But Ian's one of the few writers on IDW who knows how Sonic works.
Yes this is a Felix the cat reference, but it rings uncomfortable close to how Sonic is written in the actual comic.
Only the first half.
>first I laugh
>but then I cry
feelsbadman, this comic could have been so much better
Not as long as it has Ian Flynn and Evan Stanley writing it.
Coming from the asswipe that still thinks Adventure Sonic is still canon. He's an "adult" now in Frontiers and ages are gone, so he literally cannot still be the same ~15 year old moron from the Adventure era.
>The T-pose
10/10
That moronic asinine speech he gave to surge made me psychically cringe
Frick this version of Sonic, I've seen better written Sonics in fancomics for frick sakes.
It's much better when you just chalk it up to some Psychonic type shit
>Cares not for morals
>Could have ended it all for Eggman and co. multiple times, refused
>Hopes more people like Surge and Kit end up being created for his amusement fighting them
>Speeches are empty and hypocritical because they're not done in earnest, nobody can beat any sense into him, anyways
>It's His World, we're just living in it
>it's all just a game to him
kek this is my new headcanon
Reminder
Imagine if he said all this shit when fighting Shadow in SA2.
>he then says big oof as shadow dies
kekked
>Sonic... where's Shadow?
>COWABUMMER
Please anon my sides can't take much more
>Imagine if he said all this shit when fighting Shadow in SA2.
I think the reason he says shit like this now is exactly because of what happened with Shadow. It happened with Knuckles and Shadow and Jet etc. IDW Sonic seems like he's just fricking tired of constantly encountering new characters who hate him and then eventually respect him so he's trying to speedrun the rivalry into something less hostile. he can't develop as a character since he has to be static protag mickey mouse style but he can at least just be fricking tired of edgehogs and OCs playing the same song over and over.
No, dipshit. I don't mean his personality.
I mean imagine how fricking annoying and unfun it would be if he started yapping like this instead of
>I FOUND YOU, FAKER
>Imagine how annoying it would be if a game cutscene tried to be as verbal as a comic book script
No shit you fricking moron. The comic is wordy because it's a fricking comic. They're too different media. Next you'll say the music doesn't have enough fricking gameplay. Smoothbrain.
You realize that printed dialogue gets annoyingly wordy *faster* than spoken dialogue, right?
>You realize that printed dialogue gets annoyingly wordy *faster* than spoken dialogue, right?
Only if you're shit at reading. Step it up dude. You gotta speed keed. Just do it to it.
jej
Are you Bendis?
Even in comic form, Sonic and Shadow's confrontations in SA2 would suck if he was yammering like this. A snappy script is important for tense scenes.
Ian has stated Sonic isn't intended to be right in his beliefs. It's just what Sonic believes in and acts on. That's kind of the entire point of the character, he'll do what he believes in even if others think of him as the bad guy for it. He doesn't conform to other people's expectations.
To Sonic's credit, when he finds out Surge's backstory and what Starline did to her, he tries to apologize and talk her down.
I think the idea with Sonic's smug speech in issue #50 is that it was MEANT to make him seem like an butthole in Surge's eyes. He was being smug and dismissive because he thought she was just the latest of a million villainous goons he had battled over the years, not realizing that she was seriously hurting inside.
I really wish he just beat her ass frick all that she's a villian who hurt innocent people.
This, really the only Ocs people like they don't focus on or rush their arc. Specially surge and starline. I feel starline had a decent conclusion but he was 100x better than wasting time on the lesbian ocs who have no real character or conflict. Tangle is just hyper girl and whisper is just depressed but together they just become one annoying nothing burger. Also yeah they push OCs heavy in this series and don't even try to make them anything than just ways to have lgbt stuff as soon as tangle and whisper were decided to be lesbains all of whispers depth and potential disappeared into crying lesbian.
>The only OC I really like or enjoy in IDW is Surge because she has little to nothing to do with the lesbians and her story actually revolves around Sonic characters.
Oh anon you haven't heard i'm so sorry based on promo art surge is getting into the tangle harem and or gonna befriend everyone so yeah it's sonover
>that spoiler
Or, ya know, she's faking it.
I hope so but can you really trust these writers that have tried at every turn to make her a sympathetic jobber cry baby.
But either way that'll be the set up for her being good she'll be tangle and whispers resident carpetmuncher
Oh yeah Starline was also pretty good. I enjoyed him as an antagonist. It felt really stupid that they killed him off that soon, he had more potential to squeeze out before ending him. I'm sure they'll bring him back eventually though.
>spoiler
These dumbfricks are incompetent.
yeah really i wish they played more with the bad guys. For a breif moment they had so much potential. shit they even made zavok a notiorously hated character cool and gave him some personality while building starline and the team up. But they went and ruined it all as usual.
yeah they are hella incompetent at this point i think the mandates are a good thing. If not for them it'd be the whisper tangle series all the time. Sonic would bend the knee and get supergirl'd by whisper "wow you beat me at my best". Really idk how we went from fun and cool ocs to now just fanfic shipping ocs. I was hoping they would keep surge and kit small and outside the main a sonic and tails exclusive type situation just mono e mono. It works better that way since they are dark reflections and have very differing mentalities. But no surge will most likely see the heroes and cry and join the good guys and sonic will not be in his comic again.
>spoiler
God please no.
>Pros: New storylines and characters
Could really do with this more, since it looks like they're gonna be bringing back the Zeti again.
sorry but it seems to be the future anon
also god no not the fricking zeti again, they only barely made me like zavok in the bad guy comics but the rest are useless and really mess up his potential to be a deep intimidating villain. Really can seem cool or more than one note when one of your henchmen is a literal weird masochist edgelord emo kid.
>also god no not the fricking zeti again
Sorry, anon. They're on one of the upcoming covers. They are inevitable.
The only thing I have any kind of interest in these comics left (besides a bile vaccination to see how bad they get) is Surge and Kits' backstories before Starline nabbed them.
Damn also yeah as much as we shit on surge and kit really they've been the only interesting in the last year or so. Also i think they'll become even more of a welcome return after we get the furry lesbian squad for another few months.
But i hope we get a good fight and conclusion to their arc and not just them crying and being talk no justu'd by tangle. I may deadass drop the comic if tangle ruins surge's arc, after a year of tangle she can give me one arc without her annoying ass.
I feel Tangle was alright at first; it's when she got stapled to Whisper that she became insufferable.
And I pray that, by some miracle, Surge and Kit get a decent conclusion.
She just sort of showed up and everybody was like 'oh heckin boy you're so cool we're all friends yay' which seems to be the time of the whole book
>i hope we get a good fight and conclusion to their arc
>surge is getting into the tangle harem and or gonna befriend everyone so yeah it's sonover
This isn't that different from believing Sonic is finally going to put bullet in Eggman's head and end it. Surge is designed to be saturday morning villain. They're not ending that. She'll appear, do her dance, and disappear into the sky like a twinkling star when she is defeated, only to be right back with new song and dance next saturday morning.
>Surge is designed to be saturday morning villain.
It'd be great if they actually treated her as such instead of just nonstop angst.
rough and tumble are what you're thinking of. men are evil and cannot be redeemed don't cha know?
>Surge will always remain a villain
Except this is IDW i.e. the place full of feminist dipshits who hate men. Don't believe me? I summon the list:
List of IDW recurring characters by alignment
>Good
Tangle (female)
Whisper (female)
Jewel (female)
Lanolin (female)
Belle (female)
Nite (Gay male)
Don (Gay male)
>Evil
Rough (Male)
Tumble (Male)
Dr. Starline (Male)
Mimic (Male)
Clutch (Male)
Surge (Female)
Kitsunami (Male)
This is how intersectional feminists are. All men are evil unless they are gay and/or trans. I'd add non-white but they'll throw black men under the bus just as quick as they do whites (See Shadow's treatment).
>Except this is IDW i.e. the place full of feminist dipshits who hate men.
Based
>This is how intersectional feminists are. All men are evil unless they are gay and/or trans.
They're correct. Only homolust can salvage your broken soul
As a homosexual, I feel offended by IDW.
I wish Surge got raped
I swear I'm only liking some of these characters because of stockholm syndrome.
The current world is shit for masculinity and I'm not even an American.
This comic is gay, its characters are gay, its morals are gay. I guess it should have been expected from a Japanese IP where the male villain wears high heels and everyone is arguing a tertiary character is black because muh creator is Brazilian and therefore cannot be Japanese and Africans we wuz'd those tribal ruins in the Americas.
When I go to decades old comics made for boys I suddenly start to enjoy it all a lot more.
>everyone is arguing a tertiary character is black because muh creator is Brazilian and therefore cannot be Japanese
what
Knuckles.
>I summon the list:
The hero cast is mostly male and the comics added females. It was so dry, Amy's best friends were Cream and Big.
The villain cast is non-existing and the comics added some traditional basics.
You already contradicted yourself by mentioning Starline, who is super gay.
List is of IDW recurring characters dumb dumb.
And he was explaining why that list is what it is dumb dumb
Well yeah, but he wouldn't SAY that. The audience doesn't need an entire lecture on Sonic's morals, regardless whether or not he's right here. It's just a complete waste of time when he could've just said "I'm not gonna end you because I don't WANT to. Deal with it!"
Confirms people will only agree with anything as long it is from their childhood exactly
Sonic dudebro? Ok. Sonic more like a adult? Cringe.
>Well yeah, but he wouldn't SAY that.
Frick off, you know the fanbase never cared about that shit, whatever SEGA said, Sonic said. That includes Knuckles raps making him black and Silver being Trunks because SEGA literally said so.
That's a criticism of him talking so much, not of the content, you knuckle dragger. The post even says expressing the same ideas is fine.
Lost any remaining respect I had for you.
I was gonna post
but they beat me to it.
Archie Sonic writers up until Flynn only had in inkling of the characters. The only other person who truly knew Sonic was "Spaz" but he was an artist. Penders knew totally frick-all about the games and he was proud about it and when Archie had to do an adaptation of SA1, he raged internally.
Yeah, and that was twenty fricking years ago.
Evan Stanley obviously knows how Sonic SHOULD go, but she'd much rather write them how they are in the fancomic she's been making since she was a highschooler, which still feels as if it was written by one.
Ian meanwhile is just plain not a good writer, understanding of Sonic or not. His Mega Man comic was garbage too.
I think he's done a couple decent stories.
That said, yeah, I'll never understand people who say that comic was good.
Its nice to have focus on the game cast more than Archie did, even if its a bit too safe.
the last issue was like five OCs for the b-plot vs Knuckles and Amy for the a-plot
IDW isn't as bad with OCs as Archie was but it's getting there.
>IDW isn't as bad with OCs as Archie was but it's getting there.
IDW's OCs actually feel like Sonic characters.
No they don't. They feel like someone's deviantart character for Sonic.
Nah, that was Archie.
Ok? The metal gear ripoff and ADHD/autism representation lemur don't belong in Sonic either, it's not an either or situation.
>The metal gear ripoff and ADHD/autism representation lemur
what the frick are even talking about, schizo?
>don't belong in Sonic either,
>it's not an either or situation.
Are you arguing with yourself?
You know that guy throws that bait in every IDW thread right ?
>Is Sonic IDW good?
Sure
>what are its pros and cons?
>pros
Cool designs, ok new characters, the art is really fricking good, some arcs are really fun
>cons
Far too much focus on some of the new characters, not all new characters are good, some weird as frick pacing, some bad writing here and there but not too awful
It's like Archie (literally the same people) but..
Pro
It's never as bad as Archie
Cons
It's never as interesting/memorable as Archie
The Tangleschizo found the thread it's so over
Still canon to games.
So are they.
The Zeti have so much potential to be decent villains but no one really knows what to do with them. Eggman is too ingrained in the series to have any competition unlike Bowser.
>The Zeti have so much potential to be decent villains
Pfft
No they don't.
The problem is that they're inherently made to be comedic villains but they're forced into serious roles for no reason. Like, there's no reason for these walking cartoon archetypes to act like they're going to commit genocide at a moment's notice. Leave them to small scale lighthearted villainy and they'd feel much more natural.
Pretty much. That's WHY they're pure evil: because they're not deep. They exist for Sonic to torment with no remorse. Zazz is Tom the Cat. He's Daffy Duck. Smack him around, play some jokes on him, have some FUN.
>Smack him around, play some jokes on him, have some FUN.
You got Eggman for that. Stop bringing more shitty villains just to have Sonic goof around them.
Eggman's one guy. It's nice to have some variety.
When was the last time Sonic and Eggman had a funny interaction?
Sonic Boom.
The Zeti look too much like characters from another series (Mario) and their abilities are actually very overpowered (Can take control of technology). Their personalities are also up for debate, they come off as generic or boring.
They're only boring because they don't actually lean into their inspirations much. Zavok actually acting like a Bowser expy (and everything that comes with that) would be FAR more entertaining for Sonic to bounce off of than the generic dictator he's billed as.
Zavok acts more sinister than Bowser. He acts kinda like those big baddie Power Rangers villains, except more in the forefront.
>He acts kinda like those big baddie Power Rangers villains
But he lacks any sort of hamminess than makes those kinds of villains endearing. He should be chewing the damn carpet any chance he gets, but he just doesn't do that because the writers on this comic is deathly afraid of anyone acting like that.
He chewed the scenery pretty well in his game. The writing just wasn't great. He's a decent "I AM VERY SERIOUS" silly villain. I think the biggest mistake with these guys is not having them interact much and making it a big deal when they show up. They should just be around random corners like the weird trolls they are.
The main issue with Lost World's writing is that the characters talked like things are deathly serious, but the whole atmosphere wasn't, even with Earth having it's lifeforce sucked up too. There felt like a dissonance within the whole thing.
I thought it was that Sonic was written like a total idiot while Tails was constantly trying and failing to talk him into thinking before acting.
There was that too. Sonic acted like how he does in Sonic Prime and Tails started to get an attitude out of nowhere.
I compare Zavok to the slightly less hammy villains like that dinosaur main villain from Power Rangers: Dino Thunder, but very openly sinister.
Zazz has the usual hammy kind down.
>IDW will soon be dead
IDW has been "dying" for nearly 10 years now. They always scrape by somehow.
>less than a years worth of money left
>idw artists looking for jobs
>ian shitting himself on his podcast
Hopefully it will die very soon
>still putting out the same number of comics, if not more
>still acquiring licenses
>Last ronin still selling
We'll believe it when we see it
>ian shitting himself on his podcast
I never followed those. What has he been saying lately ?
He's losing patience with the IDW comic fanbase, largely due to how they prioritize and gatekeep shipping (especially lesbian shipping), he's starting to lash out at them.
He's also openly unhappy about Sonic Prime to some degree.
Christ, that post really did make people seethe to be oblivion if even Flynn got mad over it.
>largely due to how they prioritize and gatekeep shipping (especially lesbian shipping
Good, give him a reason to not make them gay. Piss off the yurigays.
>give him a reason to not make them gay.
That won't stop Ian, and it especially won't stop Evan.
>largely due to how they prioritize and gatekeep shipping (especially lesbian shipping)
Why would he be mad at that wasn't he the one who sugested to add this shit to the comic in the first place ?
>largely due to how they prioritize and gatekeep shipping (especially lesbian shipping)
No wonder Sega forbids relationships.
That's factually Archie's fault, and as you can see we're still dealing with the fallout from it even today.
Black person it's typical brand management shit. They were doing that shit in the archie days as well. They even had the no romance thing back then.
>They were doing that shit in the archie days as well.
Don't talk about shit you obviously know nothing about.
I do know about it. The later days of archie they were doing the same type of shit they do now. As I said it's typical marketing shit
You do know Ian has admitted to writing Sallicole in reboot Archie, right? He even said he was amazed at how much he "got away with".
Sally and Nicole was never explicit and they weren't the game characters. Nowadays with IDW, all characters created for the book go through a process at Sega.
>all characters created for the book go through a process at Sega.
Then Sega's screening process must be pretty bad for the lesbian flag behind Tangle and Whisper holding hands to have gotten through.
What flag? Are you just talking about some random panel?
The colorist admitted it was intentional.
Ok. What's your point?
That for all this "no romances" business and how Sega has to "approve" everything, they're not very good at catching IDW's attempts to slip by them.
Really I don't see how the post could have been ambiguous to any degree.
They aren't in a romantic relationship though. And you know if the marketing department changed their mind then they would totally get together in a story.
Ian did admit Whispangle is not canonically real and the girls are not lesbians, but in the same post he also admitted he and the rest of the IDW team DO consider them a lesbian couple and would write them as such if they were allowed to.
It's ironic, for how badly the restrictions leave the franchise, they're also the only thing holding stuff like that back now.
Which I'd what I said
Not fricking so not gay, cut yourselves
>The colorist admitted it was intentional.
Source?
This flag. And it’s not just a one panel thing. They act like a married couple in the book.
Proof that these are not characters but le diversity and inclusion quotas to make the homosexuals on twitter clap their hands.
Notice how no one gives a single frick about the skunks, I bet everyone would if they were gay.
Sega did approve Evan's request to add a gay male couple to the comic, the birds Don and Nite, but even she's aware that was only allowed because they're insignificant background characters and are never actually shown explicitely a couple.
Lets hope things stay that way and they never outright state anything with the girls then.
GOOD
Frick romance in all its forms
That's not what she said, though. What is it with the Sonic fandom in this site and needing to lie repeatedly
>Notice how no one gives a single frick about the skunks
That's just because they're male though. The only people reading Sonic comics are waifugays who want to jack off over fricking Amy Rose. Of course they don't give two shits over dollar store Rocksteady and Bebop.
Archie shit the bed by not keeping Penders restrained though SoJ is notoriously run by prolapsed sphincter lords. They sabotaged the Eternal Champions development team out of fear that the series would overtake Virtua Fighter. Now Virtua Fighter is stuck on a cliffhanger wall.
>Sonamy
>MUH ARCHIE
Definitely not a biased Sonamygay at all.
If I had to deal with Sonic fans on a the regular I would have go postal
Those are absolutely the same characters, Shard was moronic.
So what's the difference between these two?
So you just like making up shit on the internet?
He's here because the Cinemaphile thread he was having an autistic melty in died.
/^!!MdqnFN7brSb$/
/^!!/1hGHVQhRXH/
If IDW is how Sonic is meant to be then Sonic is a boring as frick property by design, Archie is just a hot mess
Welcome to Japanese, please enjoy your stay.
IDW Sonic is a geunine psychopath
>still seething over a dead comic
Kiwifarm misses its diaper obessed schizo
Nope. Just as mid as the franchise itself.
have a nice day Sallyhomosexual.
>Pros
Several female characters are cute
At least one of the official artists likes to make the girls more busty than Sega's mandates allow
>Cons
Meandering plotlines that ultimately lead back to status quo, making you feel like you wasted time reading 15 issues of nothing happening
Sonic is a frustratingly static character who's not allowed to grow or ever be wrong (this has become true in the games as well)
several mainline characters are horrifically mismanaged or act out of character (Shadow in particular is really bad)
the cute girls I mentioned earlier don't add much to the cast, yet wind up eating up humungous chunks of the plot to try and make you endear them, only to have the opposite effect instead (No one gives a single shit about Whisper's dead team, but the writers will gladly bludgeon you over the head to remind you that WHISPER IS ALONE AND SAD BOOHOOHOO)
The new male characters have the opposite problem: lack of spotlight. The only exception is Starline, and they wound up killing him off in a rather unsatisfying way.
Eggman is the only viable antagonist, everyone else they introduce are either jobbers for the sake of plot, or hopelessly outclassed from the very start.
>yet wind up eating up humungous chunks of the plot to try and make you endear them,
I'm just going to assume you meant to say endure, not endear.
Are you guys done with all this diaper shitflinging already? Just move on. Fartchie will never come back.
Good, I don't want it back.
Now if only IDW could hurry up and die already.
>sally acorn s-she touched my no no zone then called me a permavirgin! then the walrus laughed at me and called me a homosexual
>so now im constantly seething over a dead comic that's never coming back ever
Remove Ian and Evan from the book and the comparisons to Archie will stop.
That's not guaranteed.
It'd be a step in the right direction, but still.
I hope Sonic Comics die for good
The only thing you will be left with is fancomic shit
Your enjoyment of IDW will hinge entirely on how much you simp for Sally Acorn.
Are you sure about that?
Yes Tangle, Whisper, israeliteel and Lanolin are Sally's role dispersed throughout, but I'd think people would just want the original prostitute herself back.
>Yes Tangle, Whisper, israeliteel and Lanolin are Sally's role dispersed throughout, but I'd think people would just want the original prostitute herself back.
That's what I meant.
There are no Archiegays, there are merely Sallygays that claim it's about the setting and not their furry crush.
Unless you're samegayging, stop feeding the mentally ill.
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Sir? This is a Sonic thread. EVERYBODY'S mentally ill in here.
You don't need to find Sally sexy to notice how shit IDW Sonic is.
People claiming the Tangle x Whisper stuff is yuripandering are missing the point.
The only reason it's the one ship with implied anything is because it's between two characters SEGA ultimately doesn't give a shit about. They've gotten stricter about what can and can't be depicted in the comics, and that especially goes for romance.
Tangle and Whisper get a lot of focus simply because it's the comic's staff blowing off steam that they're forced to not focus on any other pairing at all.
Sonamy also gets a lot of shipwinks in IDW. Nothing within the narrative, just "in the moment" stuff.
abts art fricking sucks
coomers need not apply
What’s wrong with it? Can you give an explanation.
Adam Bryce Thomas' art feels like something you'd expect in the first few pages of a Sonic porn comic, which makes sense because that's basically what he was doing before he started doing anything official.
It's always just offmodel enough to feel wrong, but it'd fit right in if porn followed not long after.
I don’t really read sonic porn comics so lmao at that comparison. Most I can say against it is the sometimes weird faces but the ray is good
All you need to do is take a look at his earlier stuff.
Now it's all so uniform and perfect it loops into uncanny shit for me.
Tries too hard to be a manga artist here
>Tries too hard to be a manga artist here
You mean the thing thats currently mogging every comic in the comic industry?
LOL
This looks wrong, very wrong.
Better than whatever the frick is going on here
I don't see the issue, this looks "accurate enough" as opposed to that first one where it looks as if his muzzle is just plain not-attached.
holy frick the difference is like night and day, honestly just needs better coloring but aside from that its great, love how dynamic it looks.
If
is how he draws now (haven't read IDW yet) then what a shame. It looks better on a technical aspect but there's something off about it, almost uncanny. I had the same problems with Evan Stanley art in Archie
The problem is that ABTs art turned into that because he's trying to emulate Evans art style.
You can see it over time in the comic and with actual artists on tumblr/twitter ect.
Now Evans style is the 'go to' for sonic artists and it fricking sucks.
No I don't have Evan. I just don't like her art style.
>have
hate*
The artist for a fan comic I read started to make their art look like evans it’s so frustrating to see it everywhere.
I absolutely know that feel anon, throwing away a unique artstyle just to copy someone.
Fricking hurts.
>almost uncanny.
I swear sometimes they just straight up trace 3D models. like that other anon said, everything is too 'perfect/on model'
I'm pretty sure that's why Sonic's T-posing in the first panel of
This is him? There's no why he changed this much in only 2 years between this point of the comic and the ended of the zombot shit
He has to be tracing 3D models or actively started using a "porn style" he wasn't using at first to hid his power level.
He is definitely tracing 3d models
I can post more pages
So much more dynamic, more 'oomph'
>RCO
Yeah shhh
This might look good in black and white but it looks like shit with color on it. The colorist clearly can't decide what to do so it all looks like dodge and burn shit. The SFX make it look like a fan comic too. Why don't they hire someone who can draw a western comic instead of this wanna be manga slop.
>Why don't they hire someone who can draw a western comic instead
Ew, God no lol
>cherrypicks a webcomic artist that got pulled into a shitty marvel romcom book.
Western doesn't just mean American anon. Have some standards.
Ian Flynn wants the comic to be like a shounen.
And he's an idiot that's done nothing but fumble this whole run.
>And speaking of Sonic's friends, why are they all just okay with being part of this organization?
Because for all intents and purposes they're just a Freedom Fighters reskin. Like it's been said earlier in the thread, Ian and the rest of the writers at IDW just want to continue writing Archie comics so they're trying to force as much of that as they can into the main canon.
>coomers need not apply
He's a degengay, he shouldn't be on the comic for a kids IP.
He's a pinup artist, not a comic artist, and it's been a constant problem for him. His layouts are usually not great, he has trouble with toning his level of detail up or down as appropriate, and he struggles to direct the reader. He's got an incredible talent for drawing covers rather than interiors, basically, but he's dead set on not being a cover guy.
>it's between two characters SEGA ultimately doesn't give a shit about
Haven't they been in games? Or at least alluded to?
Plus they have official merchandise.
They're in the mobile phone games, which are plotless, characterless and little more than acknowledging they exist.
Tangle was offhandedly mentioned in Sonic Frontiers in an idle-dialogue clip(yes in both japanese and english), but that's it.
I can’t believe IDWgays cummed in their pants for that little mention in Frontiers. That game was “off-hand references: the video game”. Wake me up when they actually do something beyond mentioning her offhand, because currently Tangle has less relevance than Princess Elise.
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Cool
>muh on model tards
Every time
Enjoy your literal souless slop lol
So is this "soul" to you then? Because to me it's just crap.
Oh it's the schizo
should have known
Seeing that one anon coming into these threads over time to get mad over Archie whether through regular posts or the schizo persona is so funny.You even use the same files too dumbass. If you don’t like it, okay, but why do the schizo thing.
He's been at it for years, dont bother trying to reason with it.
He's like barry and the barneygay schizo.
He has been at it since 2018, maybe before.
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It’s really funny to see him switch between semi regular posting and then doing the schizo bit.
If you don’t like the comic that’s fine, but why go ruin other threads with schizo posting mode. Makes you actually look mental for doing it for so long. I would like an actual answer anon as I know you’re reading this
He’s an underaged weeb that loves Sonic X that got bullied by Sonic comic fans on /sthg/ and now shits up all comic discussion in revenge. He does not care about IDW he only cares about the Chris Thorndyke show.
Not exactly. Ive seen him say he doesn't like the comic due to reasons and that’s whatever. just going out on a schizo mode persona to raid threads is what actually makes him look a bit loco.
Ok anons, SEGA and Sonic Team will lessen the mandates except relationships for you.
How do you save IDW?
More villains. And no more writing for trades.
Oh, and no more Classic/Modern division shit.
Super Genesis Wave 2: Electric Boogaloo
Sonic Forces is a shit foundation for an ongoing story. Throw it away and start over.
What happened to Tracy Yardley bros?
I think he's depressed over the situation he's in, forever stuck with Sonic.
I met him once at NYCC, he seemed really unhappy, as if he didn't want to be there.
What about the Felix comic?
I'd be shocked if that actually released.
I think it did. Emphasis on "think".
Yardley has to draw barefeet-and-muck related Sonic commissions just to make money. Wouldn't you be discontent about that?
Do you know how much money fetish gays give out for the art? If anything, it’s a blessing.
His wife has covid
>Sonic isn't in every issue
why call it Sonic if you're not gonna have Sonic, Fleetway had Sonic in every issue and that shit was made by the fricking British
Please understand, we need more crying lesbian OCS.
Fleetway also had stories about characters doing their own shit too without him if you read it.
Which was nice
So did Archie, they just put them in the Universe book.
Isn't that how we ended up with lesbian Amy and Tekno?
Yeah that was good, would be good if the game characters got more arcs in IDW
It did but they never were as important or reocurring as Archie and IDW OC's. Almost all of the action were given to game characters. The writers knew it was a sonic comic first and foremost so they never took the spotlight much. Really the only Fleetway OC id argue being close to that level is Shortfuse. Maybe Tekno too in the later run but that was because she was glued to Amy. Also helps that STC format was having 3 different stories in 1 issue so you could follow up what Sonic or Knuckles were doing while the third spot were being used for OCs like Plunder for example.
If you want game characters, why don't you just fricking play the games? There will never be a comic solely focused on game characters and no one else. Give it up.
Could there be a comic focused on fun adventures against cool villains? Because that would be a lot better than watching some sadsack wolf cry about a bunch of stock characters that we never got a chance to know or care about.
I never said I wanted exclusively game characters; I don't mind OCs but you absolutely need to be careful when you're giving them the spotlight or else they just become redundant. STC did it right.
The games have the Sonic only matters show for quite a while.
Why call it a "Sonic comic" if Sonic and stuff from Sonic isn't the focus?
Make up your mind.
No one is asking that Sonic needs to die, he should however show/take actual damage.
The post forces mandate was a massive fricking mistake
You know what I hate the most about this stupid fandom's obsession with "mandates"?
It's that Ian won't take responsibility for causing it. He goes "oh Mr. Penders was the one to use it" and refuses to acknowledge he had multiple times the audience Penders had when he started talking about mandates, and now wants to walk that back without an inkling of a mea culpa.
He's also the guy who started making it a capital M fallback word instead of just a broad term for "boss said do this."
He seems like a nice enough guy, but he has a nasty habit of passing the buck. Whether it's Sega or his editors or his collaborating artist, he throws other people under the bus way too often. I know it sucks to have a bunch of stupid artists talk shit about you even when you do a good job, but you've got to actually be real and say "Yeah, I goofed that one up" sometimes. No halfway "Well, some people say X and I'm listening..." bullshit. Everyone writes a bad story every once in a while, it's fine.
Talk shit for all you want, but the Freedom Fighters and all other Archie OCs actually has fans that care for them. There's a growing amount of Archie fanart and fancomics.
Meanwhile, what the frick has the IDW OCs got? Just shipping autism and...?
>but the Freedom Fighters and all other Archie OCs actually has fans that care for them.
Lol, barely. The only Freedom Fighter people gave a shit about was Sally and the only OCs that got any attention was a green evil Sonic and a white evil Knuckles and I guess a red evil Tails. Don't kid yourself here.
You should get out of Cinemaphile more often.
I'm not using a Cinemaphile ratio on this, moron.
And the only game characters people ever care about is Sonic, Tails, Knuckles Amy and Shadow. Your point is...?
I hope you're just trolling or you're completely out of touch with this fandom.
Go find me Charmy fans. Cream fans. Big fans. Dodonpa fans. Go on then.
I am Dodonpa's #1 Fan, ask me anything.
The entire Sonic creative team are made up of Big the Cat fans.
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Isn't there a timeline list of art styles the archie comics when through or am I thinking of the list of writers?
Being an Archiegay and calling IDW shit and being an IDWgay and calling Archie shit are two sides of the same hypocritical coin. It's pots calling their kettles black.
>Moving down from defending his boring ass comic to pretending both of them are equally bad.
>Getting insecure over the facts.
The monarchy the Freedom Fighters were liberating from Robotnik was not the sharpest tool in the shed. Other nations in Archie Sonic suffered H.E.V. Syndrome and were more often than not ill-prepared against Ivo.
/^AccelΔX$/
There, now your Sonic threads have 20% less attention whoring.
Connect the Deadly Six/Lost Hex to the lore or make new lore about them. They feel completely disconnected from the Sonic Universe. They're like a non-canon villain from a filler episode in an anime.
It's a shame that Bad Guys was the only time Zavok had any kind of real personality.
Ian tried to write Zavok as someone who values camaraderie, only for Sega to tell him that's not Zavok's personality and the Deadly Six don't even like each other (Which, to be fair, was the case in Lost World).
How very Star Wars and George Lucas-y.
Anon just read just read Brotherhood’s Twist if you want to see zavok with an actual personality that isn't the game one.
This is similar to Lost World, just more refined.
>They feel completely disconnected from the Sonic Universe.
You mean the Freedom Shitters?
By "disconnected" I mean they are completely isolated from everything in-universe and there is nothing from Lost World that can be notably referenced about them.
Stop answering bait from the IDW schizo.
So you mean the Freedom Shitters. Got it.
Archiegays will always be in the losing side of history.
The Zeti also have no history with Earth to my knowledge. And their own world was bone dry with lore. The only reason you can have them return is "They're assblasted at Sonic for defeating them". Nothing else and that has no substance because what is their overall goal besides that?
>And their own world was bone dry with lore.
The IDW crew could've easily came up with shit to flesh the Lost Hex out. They just don't because they simply don't want to work with it. The Zeti are only in the comic out of obligation, like most of the game shit that isn't related to Forces.
And even Forces gets shafted when it comes down to anything that isnt the OCs. We still don't know what happened to Infinite and the Phantom Ruby, the Wisps are here yet none of their home planets from Colors are even acknowledged, we still don't know what lies in the Null Space, etc.
Like imagine an entire arc around the Game Corner planet from Colors, with the Sonic Simulator malfunctioning and bringing countless digital copies of Sonic their world that wreaks havoc. Or finding out that Infinite has been trapped in the Null Space and Starline finds him to make an alliance. Or just fricking around for a while in the Lost Hex. Just SOMETHING that isn't the OC angstfest the comic is now.
>We still don't know what happened to Infinite and the Phantom Ruby
It "absorbed Infinite" and then disappeared. Sega doesn't give enough of a shit to elaborate anymore, Forces was a failed project.
I still don't really get what the Phantom Ruby is. It seems to change function between Mania and Forces.
And now we'll never know, because just like anything from 06 that isn't Silver, Sega will never touch it again.
I honestly don't mind it. I wasn't big on it in Forces or Mania to begin with.
Between Chaos Emeralds, Phantom Ruby and Warp Topaz, I thought they were building up to something.
The Phantom Ruby (Originally called the "Valtron") was something exclusive to Forces, before Sega wanted to connect it to Mania (Which was supposed to be stand alone) where it had different, but similar powers. Originally, Mania was about Eggman getting depressed over his defeat in S3&K and creating the Hard Boiled Heavies, instead of the Phantom Ruby turning Egg Robos into them.
Infinite was a victim of a lot of rewrites. He was originally supposed to be created by Eggman before being changed to a mercenary at the last minute in Shadow's DLC, there is dialog in Forces that still alludes to that by Amy in a stage. Sega seems to just want to forget about that character seems he ultimately came off as half-assed and laughable in the final product.
>Sega seems to just want to forget about that character seems he ultimately came off as half-assed and laughable in the final product.
He always was. Just like every other attempt to be serious.
Well yeah, that's my point. What's the point in being into this post-Forces status quo hell if we can't actually flesh out the concepts the game introduced? Forces and Infinite being failures means nothing when this fanbase was sucking off how Ian Flynn "salvaged" the Archie comics. If he was able to do THAT, surely he could've done the same here, right?
Or maybe it's time to admit that Reboot Archie was a giant meme from the start and Ian's just a hack.
Remember when Sega actually encouraged Ian to make new Zeti OCs and flesh out Lost Hex, but he didn't because he knew fans hate them?
According to him, anyway.
Actually, no.
One of his podcasts.
/^Boco$/
General consensus is it doesn't reach the same highs as Archie, and lowest faaaar from Archie's as well kek
not enough surge
We had plenty of Surge, but most of it was a waste of time.
i want her back but good, also to see her job more
i'd rather that than tangle and whisper shit for a whole year. But i just hope they make her more consistent when she comes back she has the making of a great villian.
You had eight months of buildup and threw it all away with a single bucket. Frick off.
Easy on the diapers, Richmunk.
Nobody's into Pokemon for "plot".
Pokemon has way more problems than just the story.
They're also not into Pokemon for good visuals, character designs, creature designs, music, pet interactions, map design, and engaging single player gameplay apparently
The only thing that's consistently good about Pokemon nowadays is the merchandise. Everything, from the story, to the characters, to the new designs (and before you ask no I don't say this as a genwunner, designs have gotten absolutely awful in the leap from 3DS to Switch), the gameplay, the quality and price of the games, sucks fricking ass.
At least we're aware Sonic is shit overall. Pokemon fans are deep in denial about how utterly terrible the franchise has been nowadays.
>Surge sacrifices herself for Amy.
Would it be KINO?
Anyone else think that the thing hurting Sonic is Sega? Sega embraced the idea of getting edgy and making Eggman a repeat offender at being a global threat. But at the same time Sega refuses to have Sonic kill the evil c**t and now Sega is trying to pretend Eggman is this nice father figure to his creations when most of his creations abandon him because he is too much of an evil c**t. No amount of retcons by Sega will undo that Eggman deserves to be killed. As things are now the franchise is stagnant and Sonic is written as an impotent hero. And I mean the games by Sega. From Sega we see the problems in other media get worse.
Yes, but consider what the series would be like WITHOUT mandates considering it has Ian Flynn and Evan Stanley working on it.
Sega has always been Sonic's worst enemy, but Eggman being poorly handled is exclusively Ian's fault. He can't decide whether he wants to continue the irredeemable bastard persona he had in the Archie comics or to have him as a sympathetic figure capable of change. Instead we get both at the same time and it just doesn't work.
Sega's Eggman was never the pure-distilled evil that was Archie's Eggman, the latter really just needs to be dropped already because it creates the most uncomfortable dissidence the way he goes back and forth.
Once again, we can blame SatAM.
Ian clearly wants to make Eggman RoboHitler, but knows that personality can't stick in a game oriented setting, so he tries at bare minimum to make Eggman a mishmash of both which makes Eggman look inconsistent, but I think he's slowly accepting he can't write Eggman like that successfully anymore.
Was it EVER successful?
He got good reception when he was writing Archie.
SEGA doesn't understand that what made people get attached to the franchise is how earnest it used to be, despite the cringe.
Eggman having a fatherly side to him only stemmed from Flynn being Frontier's head writer. He's not a good writer, but he gets it. The Japanese translation of the game got fricking butchered because SoJ doesn't like it when the characters are even at least two-dimensional.
SoJ corrected the whole "Sonic emoting and being empathetic" so fricking hard that now the guy reads like a fricking furry Patrick Bateman, unable to feel anything but euphoria or aggression. That whole "he's only cool because he's snarky and doesn't care" mentality was only parroted by dumbfricking emotionally stunted gamers that were never fans of the series, both SoA and SoJ were fricking dumbasses for trying to pander to it.
Shadow got demoted to a shitty Vegeta rip-off when his whole appeal, more than the other two examples, was the earnestness of his character, the fact that he wasn't just a one-noted butthole.
Who the frick cares if the furries express feelings other than WAKU WAKU and snark. The "cringe" was the appeal of it all.
The more self-aware Sega became the worse they got. They became completely schizo over how characters are portrayed.
Friza isn't dead anymore
Cell only isn't dead anymore because he's too hard to animate unless they will start using cel shaded 3D models for the animations moving forward (which is why notCell was used for the Gohan Blanco movie)
Buu was revivled as Uub for Goku's fighting boner)
Point is there's zero Japanese show that is designed to continue forever where demon spawns stay dead forever. If fans love them, they are permanent and you must cope with that fact. Sonic to SEGA is diet DBZ so until they reboot him permanently and kill off all Adventuregays forever, no one is ever going to stay dead forever.
Commander Red
King Piccolo
Raditz
Nappa
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon
King Cold
Android 19
Android 20
Cell
Spopovich (and his brother)
Pui Pui
Yakon
Dabura
Babidi
Majin Buu (Evil)
Baby
Super 17
The Shadow Dragons
Goku Black
Zamasu
Paragus
Moro
Gas
Elec
Magenta
Cell Max
>he's too hard to animate unless they will start using cel shaded 3D models for the animations moving forward (which is why notCell was used for the Gohan Blanco movie)
It has been stated that every DB movie going forward will be animated like Super Hero. Meaning Cell's spots are irrelevant. Along with that do you really fricking think they wouldn't just have Cell absorb a new android or something to get a new form that removes the spots if they actually wanted him back? Don't be stupid.
No, I don't. Good writers would be able to accommodate for the needs of the setting. Every franchise has their 'setting' and every writer for every franchise is expected to adhere to certain standards for that setting to keep it true to the brand. If they do anything 'experimental' it should be done with the brand's consent and interest and only with good writers managing the 'experimental' story.
SEGA is doing wrong but they aren't the ones writing the comic. They set the boundaries for what they allow in the comic and it's up to the people making the comic to make something of quality with what they were given.
Sega doesn't do Sonic any favors, but I've seen nothing to suggest their brand guidelines are the reason these comics tend to suck.
Can anyone just admit that Ian is probably just bored of writing Sonic?
>Bored.
I'd say it's more that he's frustrated he can't write it the way he wants to and keeps fighting it instead of accepting Sonic has to be something different.
And now we're doing this.
Can the mods just permaban this asshat already?
Every fricking Sonic thread gets shat up because of him.
Who the hell is he? I only browse the Sonic threads on Cinemaphile
Hes always on Cinemaphile. Hes a dude that shows up in almost every IDW Sonic thread to shit on the Archie comics and bait people into replying back just so he can shit the thread too.
And when he cant do that, he either samegays to make up replies, or simply spergs out and spams KYS like he did in this thread.
It's the IDWschizo. He's some nutter who's super-butthurt that everyone hates IDW Sonic so he constantly shits on Archie Sonic in response. He really hates Princess Sally and likes to claim that everyone who isn't a rabid IDW-humper is equivalent to Richmunk (who is himself an Archie-loving schizo diaperfur).
Mindbroken, by the Western side of a shitty franchise no less.
Sally is his kryptonite. Her and Rotor too.
There's a gay ship made canon in a panel that has the pride flag in it
Not canon no more.
Ian WANTS it to be canon, but it's not.
I liked Sonic Chronicles.
I tried to play Chronicles because the idea of a Sonic RPG seemed interesting but it felt so underwhelming compared to something like the Super Mario RPG that I ended up dropping it after a few minutes.
Test
>"Why was my posts deleted?"
>Walls of text spamming have a nice day aimed at other anons
Gee I wonder why
I wasn't IDWkun, homosexual. Don't target people at random if you can't even tell who's that autistic moron currently.
If a post doesn't contain "sally" or "tangle is canon" then that's NOT IDWkun. Lurk more next time before handling the big boy toys.
>If a post doesn't contain "sally" or "tangle is canon" then that's NOT IDWkun
You havent seen how much he samegays as normal anons.
That's why you have to get real familiar to his posting style before jumping the gun, he knows what he's doing. If anything he coming here is a gamble since Cinemaphile actually cares enough to delete posts from shitposters when requested, but on Cinemaphile Sonic threads he literally just gets away scott free and only stops when it's his bedtime.
It's okay but it focuses too much on OCs for my taste. I don't really care about the furry lesbians and when the writers and artists behind the comic keep on trying to focus on inserting gay couples into Sonic the Hedgehog comics it tells me they aren't exactly focusing on what they should be.
The only OC I really like or enjoy in IDW is Surge because she has little to nothing to do with the lesbians and her story actually revolves around Sonic characters.
Also she beat up Whisper the Dyke, stole her ammo, and made her cry so she’s super based.
>Pros: New storylines and characters
>Cons:New storylines and characters
Just recently, I was reading the new chapter with the mimic homie and his whole deal, when it struck me: I didn't care about this at all. I like whisper and tangle on the surface level but by no means does that mean I want their lore to last 4 issues that are 2 months apart each.
basically yeah really tho the problem is they push them too damn much. Like can we talk about how were getting almost a year of tangle and whisper and no real sonic or main cast focus.
Last arc: all about new diamond cutters(who cares)
next arc: mimic sneaking into the not friendfighters and diamond cutters being friends for like 4-6 issues
arc after that: Surge tries to join not freedom fighters most likely getting put into diamond cutters since they are the only team in that group and have had so much focus. Surge will either join the tangle harem or be lanolin's gf so basically 12+ chapters of tangle whisper garbage. An I bet sonic won't have anything to do with helping surge which would ruin the main point of the arc which revolves around the two.
I want more self contained stories. The restoration is too garbage.
Half of IDW is self-contained stories and they still suck.
Has nobody noticed that there are barely any male OCs on the hero side and Surge is the only female OC on the villain side?
So, let's talk about the Restoration in Sonic IDW, right? Now, I'm not saying it's the worst thing to ever happen in the Sonic universe, but it's definitely got its issues.
First off, the Restoration is supposed to be this big, important organization that's helping to rebuild the world after the war with Eggman, but what do we really see them doing? Not a whole lot. It's like they're just there to give Sonic and his friends something to do between fights with Eggman.
And speaking of Sonic's friends, why are they all just okay with being part of this organization? They're supposed to be these independent, free-spirited characters, but they're just falling in line with this bureaucratic entity like it's no big deal. It's completely out of character for them.
Plus, the Restoration is supposed to be this beacon of hope and unity, but all it really does is highlight the divisions between the characters. It's like, instead of bringing everyone together, it's just creating more conflict and drama. And not the good kind of drama, either. The kind that just feels forced and unnecessary.
So yeah, the Restoration in Sonic IDW? Not a fan. It feels like a missed opportunity to do something really interesting and meaningful with the post-war world, and instead, it's just kind of... there. And that's not what I want from my Sonic comics, you know?
it's why i call them the not freedom fighters (that and i forget the name lol) but yeah I will say i hate it as a initial concept it was cool especially with amy being the leader gave her some character and responsiblity. Then it was given to an oc. Now it's basically just the Oc maker/plot point any oc goes there can meet the other oc and build a team of Ocs surge is going their soon and you can bet she won't be talking with sonic or tails nope Ocs.
Really i hated using the word Ocs at first because i had hope that they'd become something more than just eyecandy and blanks but really idk what else to call most of these nothingburger characters. Like the beetle girl why and how did she become the leader she hides and cries. "oh but she can do work" so make her a damn secretary, but she became the leader because she was some writers favorite oc and had to be made relevant to the plot. Why did lanolin join the diamond cutters because she's someone's favorite Oc and had been trying to find a spot for her for years. Why do the new diamond cutters even exist when we have like 5 plus better teams and 20+ better characters? it give the Ocs something to do and plot relevant so they can be main characters too and now we've wasted about 5 months on them and another 4-6 coming soon and maybe more if my theory that surge will get involved with them is true. Basically it's just an Oc factory my dude a poorly written plotpoint a mcguffin.
I would like to see GUN get introduced in the comic and see what the Restoration's relationship with that organization would be.
Just having GUN showing up isnt going to stop the IDW style writing from making it sanitized and boring.
Restoration is the authority replacement in Sonic's non-authoritarian world. Theres no President Sonic or Monarch Sonic ruling over the Sonic World. Theres prison and its warden, but there is no government. Just a voluntary force put together post-war, formed from the rebellion army that was put together because they didn't even have armed forces to defend themselves from invasion.
the restoration don't have any authority, they're just the freedom fighters post-endgame. for fricks sake eggman literally just died again and disappeared from the story
Does it ever occur to any of you that this is what Sega wants i.e. their own Freedom Fighters minus all the shitty Archie baggage? G.U.N. filled this role somewhat but the recent "no humans" mindset makes them wary of this.
I like antoine and bunnie
I wish they were part of more stories. Antoine really only has some gag stories and the Tails SU arc.
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Actual genuine moron
Suggest a replacement for Ian and Evan as writers without mentioning that homosexual Maekawa or homosexual(s) behind the Fleetway shit
It HAS to be someone that NEVER touched Sonic but is a real writer you'd actually get out of a critically acclaimed franchise of literate. Someone that would "get Sonic" when given the chance to write for him.
>Do the editor's job for them.
>Also new talent isn't allowed.
Your game is gay.
>Do the editor's job for them.
In what world is the editor this "messiah" of perfecting works? It's like saying a localizer is a better writer than the actual writer
Oh wait that was literally what happened between Colors-Forces. It was dogshit. A real writer don't need a leash.
>>Also new talent isn't allowed.
I didn't say that shithead, learn how to read.
Talent acquisition is part of an editor's job on books like this. Are you stupid?
>Talent acquisition is part of an editor's job on books like this.
To clean up work, not to rewrite it as "good". A writer is a writer, you don't know a "editor" for art unless you consider storyboards as the "art" and the final product as the "edit" when the actual artists are the ones doing the "edit" part. That's flipped in the writing department.
I cannot suggest anyone without being biased.
Sorry Rayman.
>To clean up work, not to rewrite it as "good".
No, to write period.
The guy who wrote the Scrapnik comic.
>Hurr durr le SMBZ KINO amiritefellas?
Alright, homosexuals, what are your suggestions? Who do think would be better than Ian and Evan?
Todd Mcfarlane
Joe Kelly
>The guy who wrote the Scrapnik comic.
>Guy who wrote a story that doesn't go anywhere, nothing happens and Sonic doesn't actually do anything.
I thought you didn't like Flynn's writing?
dwayne mcdu-
oh nevermind
How about Bollers? Angelo and Gallagher, too.
Delightfully devilish Rotor-bro!
Muahahahaha.
No! Not the magic piss pool!
Barnesgays are insufferable
The only reason scrapshit is considered good is because the mainline comic is that fricking shit.
The bar was already low.
Cross your fingers IDW goes under before 2024!
Notice how even though Surge is a villain she is partially written as sympathetic while most of the male villains are written as unsympathetically villainous with the only exception being Surge's partner Kit who is a packaged deal?
kit will probably end up being an incel who's holding back surge and needs to be ditched by her
Feminism 101: Women can't be evil cause only men are evil.
Just look the cover. Oh boohoo, Surge is so lonely. Feel bad for her <sarcasm>.
Notice how Kit isn't there?
Where is boy? 🙁 Does he stay evil after trying to keep Surge together?
Villains are allowed to have sympathetic elements while still being evil
Even Eggman gets them on occasion
>Female Villains are allowed to have sympathetic elements
FIFY
More modern SJW comic nonsense. None of the male IDW villains get any sympathy.
Kit exists, and Starline is entertaining enough and has enough of a point to be sympathetic without having some gay emo backstory or whatever
>using SJW in 2023
You know, years ago I would've said this is just an elaborate troll. But now I'm not so sure.
SJWs hate it when you bring up that they exist.
That explains everything
>cater to women
>remove male privilege
>oh shit, how do we say women are still underneath the patriarchy?
>make up a word... um... intersectionality!
>massively overprivilege women
>ignore all the stats saying men have nothing and are worth nothing
Do you think these sociologists ever take a step back and realise they're simping for the matriarchs?
No because idealogues can't do that.
Eggman wasn't created by the comic staff. All the OC male villains with the exception of Kit are portrayed as irredeemable.
They didn't have to go out of their way to give Eggman an unquestionably saint-like alter ego when he had amnesia
They didn't even have to do an amnesia plot at all
On the same note, they also made Metal arguably more sympathetic than Heroes ever did
And once again, Eggman wasn't created by the IDW staff and neither is Metal Sonic. The (male) villains they create aren't given the same kind of sympathetic qualities.
So? My point is that they added sympathetic elements where none existed before, whether they're Original the Characters or not is irrelevant to how they write, Sega did not order them to invent these things for the existing characters
Eggman (in the games) was never a pure evil guy and had very human moments to him, and Metal Sonic was written as sympathetic in Rivals 2. What IDW is doing with them is nothing new to the characters.
>even though Surge is a villain she is partially written as sympathetic
"partially" is being very generous.
For someone who moans and groans over her "stolen life" or whatever, Surge obviously enjoys her new existence as a superpowered thug, so all her crying and "justification" for the awful things she does rings pretty hollow, let alone the fact her reasons keep changing, from "you're the reason all this happens, because you don't kill your enemies" to "as long as you exist I'll always just be your fake, your copy". I really feel IDW has no actual idea of what to do with Surge.
>I really feel IDW has no actual idea of what to do with Surge.
Should've had her just stay a substitute Scourge and a Dark Sonic instead of making her sympathetic, or at least save that aspect for later after some encounters with Sonic and the gang. Her character evolution went by so fast in one arc.
Surge being a moronic gremlin who hates the world specifically just to fill the void where her thoughts should be both literally and metaphorically is a neat direction for a villain, but that depends on what they do with her now that her big intro arc is over
I like it in concept more than Scourge literally just being bizarro Sonic with not much to offer beyond action
>Schizo unironically feels victimized by Surge "The Jobber" Tenrec
>Come up with one of the best characters in the series
>Kill him off because they tapped out his first and only character arc and they couldn't come up with anything else for him beyond using him as a jumping off point for Surge's character
Why
>Come up with one of the best characters in the serie
Yeah, I still don't understand why people think this.
Starline wasn't actually that great. He had the POTENTIAL to be great, but all of it went to waste, just like Surge and Kit, just like Belle, just like this whole damn comic.
Unless a character being unashamedly gay automatically makes them the best thing ever to you, then Starline is the greatest character ever.
He actually served a purpose. Mimic could've been up there if he wasn't tied to the dumb lesbians.
Starline was just fun to watch. He was a delusional, pretentious fanboy who overestimated himself for than Eggman and it constantly bites him in the ass.
It’s stupid how the supposed reason the creative team uses Doughnut Steels as much as they do is because OCs are less restrictive than game characters yet Starline was the only OC in the comic that had actual character development. Everyone else remained exactly the same as when they were first introduced. They killed him off because the writers are hacks and couldn’t figure out what to do with him next.
>>Kill him off because they tapped out his first and only character arc and they couldn't come up with anything else for him beyond using him as a jumping off point for Surge's character
You mean
>create a personality for Eggman
>copypaste this into an OC who can lay eggs
>have him be a background character then THE MAIN character
>give him a big story build up... then kill him before anything happens
>... oh yeah he had some lackeys or something, Verge and Shit
>um and er over if Verge and Shit will do anything (spoiler: they don't)
When Eggman suddenly lost plot protection and Starline could frick with him (hacked his shit, left audio messages) because the gay duck's dead... I didn't know what to feel
The Bad Guys is the only good storyline from IDW Sonic because it has no Sonic, no Belle, no Tails. Nothing
Fun fact: that OC is non-binary.
Because of course.
I still don't understand why they set up Surge and Kit to eventually betray Starline only to have him die without ever knowing they were going to stab him in the back.
That happened in Imposters, but Surge wiped it out of his memory.
Ch 50 focused on Starline being a frickup. Surge trips against Sonic, because she is emotional mess. Kit lost to Tails, because he has no backbone. Starline lost to Eggman, because he underestimated Eggman. Ch 50 is all about Starline.
He's not that great and they strung his arc out too long only to botch a classic death.
He'll never be Mammoth Mogul, but it's weird how little play this guy's gotten
Mid-level organizational villains are great fun in between the more bombastic shit
He has no skills, weapons or abilities besides money, he's less a character and more of a plot device.
Also he looks really smelly.
>He has no skills, weapons or abilities
He has sleight of hand, always carries his rifle with him and can play opossum.
Theres a serious lack of reading skills in this fandom.
Can literally be floored by Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, etc in a second.
No.
Clutch doesn't really come off as threatening. Most of the cast can kick his ass in a fight. Mogul was at least some weird magic mammoth even though the character still sucked ass.
Most characters can also kick Eggman's ass, but he covers for that with his tech
A mob boss-type villain would do the same with his underlings and black market bullshit
Eggman can outrun Sonic and is low-key very strong. And being able to make powerful machines is a massive advantage.
Meanwhile Clutch can... hire a bunch of jobbers and sell illegal things?
>Eggman can outrun Sonic
Begone, power level autism
>Meanwhile Clutch can... hire a bunch of jobbers and sell illegal things?
Business bad guys are less effective than genuine supervillains, but still functional in a different way
That's what would make him a solid mid-level villain in between bigger Eggman shenanigans, as I said
If the plot requires it to end with a big fight, that can be against some high-level hired help like Mimic or something, or with some particularly hefty trafficked weapons or magic, it doesn't have to be all mechs all the time
>Begone, power level autism
Canon in a game. It happened. Can't be refuted.
Cringe
Explain the biggest thing that could be done with Clutch for a story arc.
Mob run Casino Zone.
Between Robotnik, Mogul and Breezie, that's painfully "been there done that".
The games have Casino Zone, so the comics have Casino Zone. Shut up.
Clutch buys out the restoration
he takes over studiopolis and uses 5g waves to (insert evil thing here)
Literally anything that's ever been done with a character like Kingpin, just with the exact mechanics of the final showdown being more plot-specific than a boxing match
Even most of the fricking schemes Eggman's pulled with ancient artifacts would play out roughly the same, you could take SA1 and replace the mech fights and Gamma's story with underling characters while inserting some dialog about him doing it for monetary or gang-style turf war reasons and the only major content that would need to be different would be the Egg Carrier
Man, I wrote all that and didn't even think about the Riders games
Not only could you swap the characters out without changing basically anything, but a character like Clutch would honestly make more sense for something like that
He's always rummaging through eggman's old shit and refurbishing it so you could also use him as a way to bring back anything from the games, like the various egg pawns or egg carriers
villians don't need superpowers, eggman is literally just fat genuis
Most villains in this series have superpowers or have a field they heavily specialize in to an absurd degree that it might as well be a superpower.
"Most villains" are ancient evils and aliens.
clutch is super good at money
Pretty much every new character for the comic gets underutilized or shows up an appropriate amount/too much without actually doing shit. It's very frustrating.
Starline wasn't gay. That's just headcannon. He raped both Belle and Surge after all.
He was "gay-codded" as they called it.
According to Ian, he meant for Starline to just be flamboyant, but because social media/twitter reacted so positively to the idea of him being a literal flaming homosexual, he decided to go all in on it.
You can't say it didn't work as far as appeasing those who inspired the idea went.
It's a calm read co just jaded as hell.
It's a very flawed comic.
It's biggest problem is its format. Monthly releases make it such a slog to experience in up-to-date time; a problem that's plagued Ian's stuff since Iron Kingdom back in Archie.
It really is an alright to pretty good reading experience when you read 4 books worth of material back to back. Their "graphic novel" compilations legitimately feel like the way they're intended to be read.
Lots of anons in the thread want the comic to get cancelled out of spite/resentment for Ian, Evan, ABT, whoever the frick, or because of characters they hate getting screentime.
I want it to get cancelled so they can try a different format and get a much less restrictive playing field. Do a non-descript timeskip/soft reboot to explain shit changing. Make tri-annual 80-100 page graphic novels the standard format. Use leftover pages for character one-shots or small little Classic stories.
I really can't bring myself to hate anyone on the creative team. I just wish they could pick a format that clearly works better for then and the audience, and IDW won't give that.
The monthly format thing always sucks for any actual storytelling. I don't give a shit because it's only relevant in the month while throughout the rest of time it'll be read in one go so that's more important
>and get a much less restrictive playing field.
It's not restrictive at all.
They just want to do to Sonic what neither SEGA nor the fans want done with Sonic.
"Shadow has to be Vegeta" isn't restricted at all and we don't know what the "mandate" is anyway.
1) I'm not a fan of the art. Whoever the artists behind the comics are doing a terrible job. They're trying too hard to make the art look like a mix of modern-day Disney cartoony meme-ish style mixed with anime. It just doesn't look right to me. It got this hipster/SJW look to it. I just don't know how to explain it. Evan Stanley is not a good artist. Please don't let her draw any of the characters.
2) I really dislike the OCs. It seems that American or Western Comic Artists are not very good at creating unique Sonic characters. When you look at Marine the Raccoon, Blaze the Cat and such, you can easily tell that they're actual Sega characters due to their interesting designs. But the IDW characters, they feel more like DeviantArt designs than actual Sega-like characters. Tangle and Whisper designs don't interest me. Just an excuse to make furry like designs.
And they don't have unique abilities or characteristics. Knuckles is strong. Tails is smart and flies with his 2 tails. Sonic is fast. Amy is cute and has a hammer. Cream is adorable with a powerful ass-kicking chao. Shadow is an edgy cool looking Sonic that can air skate. All the Sega characters stands out, but the IDW characters can't find their own personality. Tangled and Whisper are wannabe Sally and Nicole. And Surge is just Scourge. Literally the same character.
3) The stories are incredibly boring. They rehash the same plots from Archie Comics and just repackaged it.
At this point, I don't see the reason in having IDW around if Sega restricts them from doing anything. It's so damn annoying. I get it... Sega don't want IDW to get buck-wild like Archie did in the past. But that's what I loved about Archie. It was a hot mess, but it was very enjoyable because it wasn't canon to actual Sega Sonic games but it did gave Archie freedom to do what they wanted.
4) Shadow is such an butthole now. I miss when he was more of a quiet, stoic but very wienery character. Now he thinks he's Vegeta. It was established after Sonic Heroes & Sonic Battle that Shadow and Rouge became Sonic's trusted allies. Especially in Sonic 06.
5) The writing is trash. Ian Flynn is not a good writer. People are hyping this guy up. He was never a good storyteller.
His writing revolves around references and nostalgia. He ain't no Frank Miller, Steve Dikto, Jack Kirby, Todd McFarlane, Jim Lee, Chris Claremont or Stan Lee. If he was such a good writer and character designer, then Sega would most likely pick up his work and have it canon.
Honestly, Sonic fans needs to wake up. The IDW comics are trash. They wanna bash on the Archie comics like it's the black plague, when the IDW comics copied and paste everything from Archie. IDW has been going on since 2018, I think? And nothing happened yet. At least with Archie, they developed an entire lore, setting and universe. I'm so over this crap.
To be frank, Sonic hasn't been good ever since the original Sonic Team trio left.
Naoto Ohshima left Sega after Sonic Adventure (1998).
Hirokazu Yasuhara left Sega after 1997.
Yuji Naka left the series after 2006.
Which is interesting because each of those years represented Sonic's downfall.
Naoto and Hirokazu's departure in the late 90's most likely were the reason for Sega Dreamcast's downfall.
Because those two were the Heart and Soul of Sonic.
And Yuji Naka leaving Sonic in 2006 was the final nail in the coffin. He is considered the spirit of Sonic.
Naka dipping on the production of Sonic 2006 was the sole reason Sonic got all the hate later on.
2006 could have been a major hit. If those 3 would have gotten back together to make new Sonic games now.
I bet you they will be masterpieces and well-received. Even if they decided to get the band back together, Sega want nothing to do with Yuji Naka due him having a criminal record now.
Now we got all these sweaty try hards in Sega trying to mimic the original trio's ideas, but it will never be the same again. Only good additions were Christian Whitehead who did indie Sonic games and eventually lead the production for Sonic Mania. That was a breath of fresh air. But there hasn't been anyone who can give the Modern Sonic series a true direction like the 1998-2006 era of Sonic.
Classic Sonic was emulating Mega Man. While Adventure Sonic (1998-2006 era) was emulating Mega Man X.
They wanted to go for more mature storylines and plot. As long as we have these hacks leading Sega now, and these annoying dipshit writers in IDW. Sonic will never get back to his original glory days.