Is The Dark Knight really that good?
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It's a great trilogy but it signaled the beginning of the end for DC. Following the success of these films they started to make everything blue and grimdark which killed their brand.
>Isthee dachnut relay tha goo?
What did he mean by this
Waited too long to introduce Joker, should have him in the first movie and then kept him around for the entire trilogy
Ledger's death knee-capped the series. They were going to bring Joker back in TDKR and easily had enough box office success to make 3 more Batman movies with Bale
It already made a billion just like the previous ones, they could've gone on if they wanted but the writing was on the wall and the magic was clearly gone. I can only imagine how Bale really feels about the third one.
Nolan wasn't a good enough writer to make three films. They really should have ended after the Dark Knight honestly. Have Batman kill Harvey Dent and break his rule, ending with the Joker ultimately winning.
Rides even seems like a concession. The movie starts with not even Bruce wanting to be Batman, but just doing it one last time anyways. Then he fakes his death and ends it anyways
The story is about him becoming a normal adult and getting a girlfriend. It never pretends that superheroes are actually a solution to crime.
>it never pretends that superheroes are actually a solution to crime
>ain hero leaves his legacy and cave to a new would-be superhero
He recognizes that guy has a similar trauma he has to get over, so he gave him his toys to frick around with and work it out. Even if it causes the same problems his Batman did, he no longer cares one way or the other, he is going to go live a life free of his self imposed debt to his parents deaths.
Yeah scarecrow playing a judge in Rises after Bane takes over the city was really obviously intended for Joker.
Nah it was refreshing to seem some different batman villains on the screen especially Raz and the Joker is hinted at in the end of Begins.
No
I don't know of anyone who actually likes the other 2 films in the trilogy. The Dark Knight, Lord Of The Rings trilogy, and The Matrix trilogy basically financed the blu-ray disc format for 50 years.
>The Matrix trilogy
homie Begins is the best of them all, but I'm a sucker for origin stories. TDK is so overrated it's unreal.
yeah
I think it's pretentious and outstays its welcome
rewatched last month after almost a decade, it's so fricking good.
Pretty good. The story and the themes are better than the actual execution.
It is an extremely well paced action film.
Rewatched it earlier this year, it really does hold up. One of the best movies from the 2010's, easily.
>2010s
It came out in 2008
>Look it up
>It was
I thought it was in 2010.
Overrated shit like everything else Nolan. Ledger's untimely death (he was a solid actor) overrated his performance and the movie itself significantly.
Well, you like Nolan so you're already a moron.
Hipster take. TDK is a love letter to the post 9/11 war on terror mindset and succeeds in capturing an actual human emotion (paranoia) which 99% of movies (let alone capeshit) fails to do. Ledger deserved to win an oscar for his performance and TDK being snubbed for best picture that year is what finally convinced me all awards are fake and gay.
Man I still remember when this meme template came out on /b/ in 2008
how did /b/ react after it dropped?
>Overrated shit like everything else Nolan.
Correct. These movies are so far up their own arse it's unreal. The shit that particularly annoys me is people talking about Gotham City as if they know what 'it's' thinking, when there's no evidence of anything like that. Particularly egregious when you have Bane literally talking to the 'muh city' as if it's some kind of monolith. Absolute hackery.
>Ledger's untimely death (he was a solid actor) overrated his performance and the movie itself significantly
That's what I assumed when it came out, and I'm not the biggest Batgay, or give two shits about an hero homosexual actors either, but once I did see it I do have to credit the performance. He was just in a shit film that doesn't make any sense is all. Ironically his shit is relatively coherent, surrounded by style over any substance. Harvey Dent pisses me off and feels like Venom in Spiderman 3. How is this fricking guy going to save the city again exactly and not get killed or have half of his face burnt off or some shit, and then he just flips at the first sign of trouble anyway? All that shit was fricking moronic. People projected what they wanted to see quite a bit onto this film, it's impossible they could enjoy it otherwise.
You are obviously just a cynic. Nothing about Dark Knight is incoherent, you might even argue that those themes are simple and predictable, in a way. Harvey Dent believed and was believed to save the city the same way any well-loved politician is, it’s not so unbelievable or hard to understand. Comics books, especially Batman have always spoken of Gotham as if it’s a character in its own, again a common theme in storytelling. It was all very well done and entertaining to watch.
If I was just a cynic, I wouldn't have had anything nice to say about Ledgergay either now would I? So you can't dismiss my opinion that easily.
You trying though says more about how right I am, that maybe you have to be totally uncritical/optimistic, and go soft on it, projecting your own best interpretation and head-canon onto the film to make it work.
Like I can't believe the mental backflips I'd have to do to make that 5th dimensional bookshelf shit work in Interstellar, but somehow homosexuals manage it. Not doing that isn't just cynacism on my part, it's just a bunch of horseshit in a bad movie, (wave planet was interesting concept though).
The bookshelf scene is absolutely bullshit, but that doesn't make it a bad movie. To call Interstellar a "bad movie" is definitelt quite wild for someone trying hard not to sound like an anti-Nolangay
You don't need to try and rationalise the bookshelf part of Interstellar, the whole point is no one knows what happens inside a black hole so it's complete artistic license. They have loads of dialogue with Matt Damon talking about the last thing you see before you die. If you really want to rationalise it, MM died falling into the black hole as his body disintigrated being ripped up by the extreme physical forces near the singularity. He dies thinking about his family, daughter and Anne Hathaway
What's much more appealing is to let Nolan, the artist, take you on a journey into the black hole and enjoy suspending your disbelief to experience the story. And Hans Zimmer's amazing organ music filmed in Temple Church scoring the whole ridiculous but emotional journey
It's a great movie
>the whole point is no one knows what happens inside a black hole so it's complete artistic license
See what I mean? Mental backflips to try to make that shit work. Your delusional sperg-post is a perfect example.
Thanks for playing.
Autism. Sad! Many such cases.
Oh u mad noa b***h, but it's still true.
>complete artistic license
Is what's destroying entertainment. It's a moronic attitude that just bad writers giving themselves a licence to be bad writers. Can't figure out how to get from A to B drama-wise, just throw your hands up in the air and find an excuse to make the way the universe works a free-for-all. That movie is an intellectual insult to anyone with a brain, and an artistic insult to anyone who appreciates good writing.
I don't get it, why hasn't joker seen the dark knight?
Crazy how this movie mogs 2022 the batman in literally every conceivable way
A shame that zoom-zooms cannot see through the visual trickery of 2022 that they’re being duped & that the Reeves version offers nothing of value in the story/character department (not to mention the amount of shots that he sped from Nolan). But then again, this new autistic generation deserves an autistic hero, so maybe the shoe does fit after all.
2022 The Batman still good though.
which is better the new one or Batman begins?
Begins, no question about it. It’s a great Bruce Wayne-centric movie & does a fine job at doing a deep dive on what makes him tick as a character (makes you care about him before he puts on the suit). Some of the shaky cam choreography & the CG visuals didn’t age well, but other than that the movie’s real solid. It’s substance through & through while not forgetting about having a distinct style.
2022 is a better detective bat
Also you could say pattinson is a better 'young' batman finding his feet
fight scenes are better and the penguin car chase is better than any of Nolan's batmobile car chases
>Yuthincyü can just steal from us and walk away?
Great twist here. Didn't expect Joe to be turkish
High art to capeshitters.
You could argue that this was the last great proper blockbuster of the 21st Century & a proper capeshit film that knew what to do with the source material while remaining faithful to the psychology/core principles of those comic book icons, & nothing since 2008 came close to being on that visceral level of intensity, total immersion, doctor-like precision & surgical execution, insane flow of inspiring ideas, surprising reversals & turns, musical accompaniment that enriched the already spectacular narrative, unparalleled audience participation & synchronicity with the world that was built on the screen & off the screen with one of the sickest viral campaigns of this century.
One in a million hit & a lightning in a bottle… Rises was a mistake & so is the rest of the capeshit genre (40+ something flicks later & none of them ever came close to the sheer awesomeness of the Dark Knight where a perfect synthesis of substance & style was achieved without any unnecessary sacrifice or heavy corporate interference that ends with moronic 4-hour-director cuts justifying garbage flicks that offer you nothing in return but disgust, wasted time & plenty of bland ‘style’ with 0 substance).
inception and interstellar?
>doctor-like precision & surgical execution
I clapped
Black Dynamite + Eric Roberts in the same scene
it's pretty good but it's so much exposition, every scene is 2 minutes about this guy has to go talk to this guy to advance the plot, then two minutes of that guy talking to someone with the action set pieces in between. they could've cut most of that shit out and improved the movie
People already fail to grasp basic concepts in this movie with the exposition that it has. Many criticize Nolan for not holding to "show, don't tell", but they also absorb less than half of what he does show. It's already as lean as it can be.
Amazing movie. I want to watch it again.
You know you are the auteur of a century when you can turn capeshit into kino. Nolan, I kneel.
blade 1, spiderman 1, and Incredibles 1?
It's 6/10 overall, scenes with Heath Ledger are 8/10 rest is bad
its the perfect film
the yeah moment is very relatable
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Batman Begins absolutely mogs
Unironically overrated.
Great atmosphere, action and thrilling
Also Heath is kiling tge role case Joker but this only hides the absolutely moronic plot.
I understand why people kill it, but literally everything that is happening is just mind numbingly stupid.
Even for Batman.
What’s the difference between Batman and black guys?
Batman can go out at night without Robin.
It's a Nolan movie so you should only watch it once, preferably at the theater. The Prestige, Inception, Dark Knight etc. They all rely on the spectacle and some epic twists that are fun once but not nearly as entertaining on the second watch. I stopped rewatching nolan movies because the second view is always a disappointment. Memento being an exception.
I have never watched any of his stuff on a big screen I feel missing out on Interstellar/Dunkirk. also what about following and insomnia?
Following is a good film student film but that's about it. Insomnia you could ignore because it's shitty a remake that was made only to prove that Nolan can handle big action & high stakes before WB gave him the keys to the Batman franchise.
I thought insomnia was forgettable. Should Nolan stop writing dialogue or just reinvent his style of filmmaking? did you check Oppenheimer?
>just reinvent his style of filmmaking
His attempt of doing just that post-Inception (i.e. hiring a new DP, new composer, uncovering new technical innovations) seemed to be noble at first but I really cannot get into all of his post-2010 films (Interstellar, Dunkirk, Tenet & Oppenheimer) even with him trying to squeeze all sort of emotions from the likes of Hathaway, McConaughey & other actors. If I don't care about your exposition-heavy cardboard cutouts of non-characters, then it doesn't matter what actor you have selected for the job.
Something about those latest films of his seems even more obsessed with the technical, motionless & precise elements of the craft to the point where it demolishes any desire to revisit his new efforts, especially when you are aware that there are many other unsung foreign directors in the indie film world (working outside the Hollywood machinery) creating true masterpieces that actually care about the humanity (highlighting real people of all ages & from different cultures with a wide range of emotions - not cold, calculating, heartless bastard scientists that have invented one of the worst things on Earth), tell stories with a lot of soulful depth, feature great performances from gifted unknown actors & underline the truth in comparison to Nolan's tiresome obsession with big narrative puzzles & an IMAX spectacle.
>non-characters
you can compare Michael Caine's character in Prestige and Interstellar to know how bad his
writing has gotten.
>unsung foreign directors
examples?
>Nolan's tiresome obsession with big narrative puzzles & an IMAX spectacle.
I think he just wants to create a bigger audiovisual spectacle(convoluted structures) each time more than writing decent characters/dialogues.
>highlighting real people of all ages & from different cultures with a wide range of emotions - not cold, calculating, heartless bastard scientists that have invented one of the worst things on Earth
what a weird take. As if you couldn't make an emotional film just about anything...Interstellar did have emotion, as well as Oppenheimer. Is everything supposed to be a Three Colours -tier humane character study for it to be emotianal enough cinema for you? You just seem like a massive hipster
>yes, I'm a massive Nolangay btw
>Interstellar did have emotion
schmaltz is an emotion?
space waltz?
also this
>“Whether for budgetary reasons or reasons of control, studios now look at a screenplay as a series of events and say, ‘This is the essence of what the film is.’ And that’s completely at odds with how cinema developed, right from the Lumière brothers’ train pulling into the station, as a pure audiovisual experience,” Nolan said. “But it’s a very popular fallacy — sometimes with critics as well, quite frankly — that all that matters is the scale of the story being told.”
>“People will tell you that the success of ‘Star Wars’ had nothing to do with its visual effects, and it was all down to its great story,” Nolan continued. “But, I mean, clearly that’s not the case. It is indeed a great story, but it’s also an incredible visual and aural experience. So this willful denial of what movies actually are has set in. People will say, ‘Why would you have to see something like “Aftersun” on the big screen?’ But of course you have to. It also plays wonderfully on TV, but that’s not the point.”
Memento suffers from that even moreso, because it relies so heavily on its gimmick. I can only see a rewatch being interesting if you forgot what happened in the first half of the film.
Batman Begins and TDK are very good movies. Like a more serious take on Raimi's Spiderman movies and Iron Man was a good followup trying to balance the two. Everything after Spiderman 1 and 2 and Bale Batman 1 and 2 has been a failure of what made people love those movies.
Basado!
It was peak Nolan, the editing is timed so perfectly to the score, it's such a comprehensive vision it really makes you wonder what the hell happened with Rises.
Good movie, but overrated.
Ledger is great (though the point is he has no real depth, it's at least part of his character). Bale is good, though the Batman voice is pretty dumb. Cinematography and effects are great, music is solid.
Script and story is just silly if you analyse it whatsoever. Like all the points of the plot and how Joker figures out what Batman's doing to stalk him makes absolutely no sense. The dialogue is very poetic and full of fluff. Nolan cannot do character development at all so he focuses on philosophical waffle in every film he makes. Here it's pretty well hidden by everything else but seriously just frustrates me how bad the writing is in his films.
I will say like actually rewatching it later and analyzing all the dialogue I did finally understand all of the subtext with the police corruption. A casual viewer would never pick up on that stuff or half the plot because it's explained in very boring exposition and tons of bland dialogue because the movie just isn't good at explaining information to the viewer.
So overall I think it's a good watch and a fun movie with acting, cinematography, sound and themes being strong but let down big time by its script, writing and pacing. I am not sure if I even prefer the other 2 I think I probably like TDKR better even if it's a lot shittier made just because it at least is a satisfying conclusion with a funner if equally moronic script.
Yes but I might watch the Michael Keaton one cause its more xmasy
Birdman > Keaton's Batman
sex with 35 yo Naomi Watts
Yeah it's really good
Heath Ledger as the joker is phenomenal, I can't even see the actor behind the character
You think you can steal from us, Anne Justava Kaway?
Yes, it's literally that good. Only in this scene it is revealed Joe Kerr has another identity. In fact that is why Kerr has to kill him with a pencil 'magic' trick.
No. It’s a mess. The plot is unbelievable, if you don’t bring to it the suspension of belief a marvel film requires. The first act is full of quipping - each scene ends with an „epic“ quip. It’s full of smash cuts - all jarring and unexpected. They may contribute to a fast pace, but they’re over used and often not necessary. It’s a series of heavy themes superficially presented and no in way developed or explored. I hate it and think the worst of its fans.
does it ever get boring being this contrarian
I gave it an honest rewatch last week, truly. I hate it. For the reasons described. Additionally, the action sucks and Bale‘s Bruce is a gay.
it must've been global delusion that gave it universally high ratings, please become a movie critic so we can finally get a voice of reason
Not even him but you don't think being the third best movie of all time on IMDb is ridiculously overrated?
Don't you think calling it a mess is ridiculously exaggerated?
Yes I don't agree with that, the plot is pretty solid, minus the Harvey Dent stuff being a little boring.
>Hello beautiful
Ewan Yerfrenz is the only good part, the bank scene itself it trash, moreso as Nolan clearly steals from Thief for the phonetap/vault shots which make no sense timewise when put together with the holdup. The buses are just the final insult.
Probably Bale's worst performance, his voice is terrible and totally overdone although I expect he only got one take because Nolan is a fricking hack.
It was a bold choice to make the dialog too quiet to hear
No
Any time Joker isn't on screen is actually boring as frick
>that Hong Kong sequence
Also Nolan can't direct fight sequences for shit. Affleck and even Pattinson were more intimidating as Batman than Bale.
Parts are really good, some parts are weak, the beautiful woman and harvey are tedious.
It's good. It's become probably the benchmark for capeshit, 8/10 as an overall movie seems fair, although I prefer Watchmen. Nolan's action and fight choreography are always tame as frick.
wonder if dolan looks back and regrets not just having a voice changer like batfleck
hearing bale growling when he's shouting at joker is cringe as frick