>is the least enjoyable and most uneven SW movie out of the original 6 films in your path
seriously what went wrong here? only the throne room scenes save it from being total shit
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Shut up, b***h.
Boomers shit and came all over themselves over this
carrie fisher wasn't that hot
Hotter than anyone you've ever known.
Having said that, Cindy Williams was far hotter and almost got the job.
what's it like being completely obsessed with male genitalia
Jabba should have won.
she looks like a very young grandma
That is a pretty bad angle. Looks like something that pops out of a coffin in video games
imagine how often she got raped and choked by jabba in her slave outfit
>original 6
all fields
how is this place still crawling with redditlettermedia midwits?
the prequels were fine you autists
The prequels are fine pieces of shit.
>Muh RLM!
Frick you, the prequels sucked long before those reviews came out.
to this day I both hate and admire the shittiest yt channel for invalidating criticism towards the prequels.
I became mega contrarian and started enjoying the prequels because of the plinket reviews, unironically.
do you also eat shit & play in dirt because most people think its gross?
playing in dirt is not that bad actually, so yea, you're dead ass wrong on that. It's not so black and white that I also eat shit. The world is not pass/fail
RLM is a youtube channel, not most people, and eating shit is actually dangerous. Your analogy doesn't work in any way, Mike.
You should play in dirt. It's good for you.
I started to like the prequels after seeing the same people who hated them praise the Force Awakens
unironically I thought that's imposible to make worse SW movies than prequels
I was wrong
I though Force Awakens was lame, but second movie could have pulled it out of the dive, (I thought the same about The Phantom Menace back when that came out).
I also thought I'd give the prequels another chance after Disney made even worse films, but they're still unwatchable garbage, and Phantom Menace is a snoozefest.
I don't hate George, and I even think he has some interesting ideas in the prequels, but they just turned out to be simply awful movies for whatever reason.
george lucas is an idea guy, not a screenwriter
original SW was saved by Brian De Palma's editing
Yeah, and I still respect him for his talents, and all due credit for the OT - which is a prodigious percentage of the credit. I'd even go so far as to say it's not entirely his fault people credited him with the whole thing, and maybe inflated his ego to the point he thought he could do the prequels by himself.
>MUH RLM
rent free. i thought PM & AOTC were soulless CGI frickfests when i first saw them as a tween in the early 00s, the fact that it was redditlettermedia that first compiled an extensive list of everything wrong with the prequels doesnt negate the criticisms, you contrarian zoomer homosexual
>ywn fight across the noble fields of Microsoft XP desktop stock photo image with ur robobros or ur gunganfrens
Why live
top lel anon, thankyou
No problem fren 🙂
based prequel apresiator
Only true patricians know that Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars movie
The internet existed in 1999, you can literally go see for yourself how disappointed everyone was in the entire PT. And then there's the documentary on the TPM dvd/blu ray. Why don't you dumb shits shut the frick up about RLM and shove your gaslighting up your zoomer ass.
bait, redlettermedia is right about everything, go suck 20 hutwieners
>redditsawmanzoomer likes the prequels
Zoomzooms should never have been given access to the internet.
Don’t feel alone Anon, they hated Jesus too
the amount of seethe you generated man
I love it when some r/prequelmemes zoomer doesn’t realise that the at least it’s not disney bonus has faded
the plinkett reviews are the best thing to ever happen to hollywood, almost made the film industry democratic
RLM was making joke videos. They secretly love the prequels.
so ur admitting that u secretly hate the prequels
It ewoks ruined it for me. You go from trying to defeat a gangster who rapes slaves and has a fixation with feeding people alive to monsters... to cuddly build-a-bears...to evil emperor who wants to destroy entire planets...back to teddy bears defeating emperor soldiers.
That movie was dark as frick otherwise there's no way GL would alienate the kids, plus the story needed something for all the main characters apart from luke skywalker to do. As usual people might not like it but he knew what he was doing.
Her clothes are:
slave necklace, leather headband, transparent onepiece, and some ropes which tie around the legs
It's quite the revealing outfit
you can literally see her nipples
>be Jabba's sex slave
>been raped multiple times
>so much so that no one in the throne room bats an eye when Jabba demands you frick him during your dance
>tfw not even the music stops playing
>get sent to the pit for my defiance
>look up confused
>been Jabba's favorite sex slave for weeks
>heLovesHavingSexWithMe.jpg
>heStillWantsMe.png
>especiallyAfterADanceLikeThat.cope
>convinced he didn't mean to hit the trapdoor
>gate opening startles you
>shocked.jpg
>try to maintain composure
>he probably sent his guards to retrieve me
>see Rancor
>begin crying
>tfw you gave everyone a titillating dance, but no one cares
>tfw you just served as a disposable wet hole for Jabba
>tfw everyone just wants to see you squirm as you're eaten alive
>no one will remember you
REEEE
It’s a shame they stopped the manga after Phantom Menace.
I prefer it when she obeys Jabba, much hotter.
HOW DID LUCAS GET AWAY WITH IT
the jabba sex slave rape shit ruined me for the rest of my life. i basically only get off to bondage, abuse, humiliation and rape fantasies and have been since i was young enough to remember
i was probably 5 the first time i saw RoTJ
Don't worry there are hundreds of people on discord thar jack off to the same jabba/slave fantasies. And probably thousands more in the closet.
I'll take Ewoks any day over the garbage we've gotten the last 10 years.
It's been said a gorillion times but it was to sell toys. IIRC it was originally going to be wookies.
You now remember that the Ewoks were going to eat the heroes before C3P0 convinced them not to and DID eat all the Imperial Troops then play music on their helmets. ROTJ is dark as hell
Yub nub indeed.
We need an Ewok horror movie
Battlefront 2’s Ewok Hunt game mode is the only video game that has ever made me jump in my seat lmfao. Stupid little vietcong midget bears
Leprechaun
they were probably told not to eat them by the rebels. it's not like the helmets are fused to their heads
Ewoks are the least offensive aspect. Vader's stupid ass redemption and Han and Leia's inclusion post-Jabba is far more offensive. Ewoks are just whatever.
Hell, Endor in general and Death Star II are moronic, and those are the entire context for the Ewoks, so frick it. If the whole setting for 75% of the movie is going to be nonsensical shit, at least Warwick Davis was there to give me a laugh.
>Vader's stupid ass redemption
filtered
>NOOOOOOO I NEED EVERYTHING TO MAKE SENSE, MY AUTISM OVERLOADS
Man frick you, it's an adventure. It's unpredictable.
umm... actually the current contrarian viewpoint shiteaters on Cinemaphile has now become that the ewoks were always le good and youre dumb
Ewoks are every bit as strong and vicious as chimpanzees. Smarter, too. They would tear you a new butthole then roast you on a spit for dinner. Under that "cuddly" fur is a roided out killing machine. How can you watch them bludgeon stormtroopers to death with stone maces and think "cuddly"? Or draw bows powerful enough to pierce body armor. Or make giant log traps using ropes and muscle power? George gave you enough evidence in the movie to fear ewoks but you chose to be stupid anyway.
>Under that "cuddly" fur is a roided out killing machine.
EE-CHA-WA-WA!
Ewoks make enough sense to me and I don't see them as a huge issue with the film, but they are difficult to take seriously. If they looked more like chimpanzees and less like teddy bears, they'd be fine. The guerilla tactics stuff is fine, it's thematically appropriate for the Imperials' hubris to be their downfall.
also funny posts, thankyou
I think Lucas should have stuck to his own original idea of using Kashyyyk and Wookies rather than Ewoks. I'm still not completely certain why that angle was given up - it would have made Chewie and Han's involvement more significant. I've never understood why Lucas didn't go with the original idea, maybe budgetary concerns?
I bet it is easier to get bunch of midgets or kids than 8 feet tall men, especially in 70's
Lucas is a liberal remember and a big part of the liberal narrative in that time was that the backwards viet cong defeated the technologically advanced USA imperalist. The inclusion of the Ewoks was to play off that idea. In reality of course the USA defeated the viet cong and the NVA were fielded with state of the art soviet weaponry.
the Viet kong were all but destroyed after the tet offensive, after that it was the NVA that fought for the most part
I cannot stress enough how many times I have bust a nut to Oola
George always loved black women. Just look at where he is now.
It was the blue twilek from the prequels for me
These ones?
Why would they do that in the dirt? Wouldn't they just get all muddy and more filthy?
It's so painfully obvious the Ewoks were originally meant to be Wookies.
Leia's being Luke's siter ruined it for me
they wanted le meme plotwist from ESB once again and it was very lame and latino soap opera tier
>they wanted le meme plotwist from ESB once again and it was very lame and latino soap opera tier
no, it's not for le ebin twist. instead, they needed a reason for the audience believe even for a fraction of a second that goody two-shoes luke skywalker could fall for the dark side. and lucas mostly achieves that when luke snaps at vader in the third act.
star wars nerds just don't understand star wars. no wonder they mistakenly think rotj is the weakest OT movie.
YBCHA!
jabba's palace was boring and stupid. luke's plan was insanely dumb. but the rest is fine. i like the old gang getting back together again and good triumphing. i also like the ewoks
Jabba's palace felt like it could've been a short serial instead of attached to a full length movie.
>piss Jabba off so much that he thinks it is his own idea to take everyone to an outdoor execution
>insanely dumb plan
>luke's plan was insanely dumb.
That's the point. He's still an overconfident jackass because he's thinks he's a Jedi. He doesn't truly become one until the end of the movie.
Not really.
>Jabba's palace was good, even if it was a little goofy (the Jabba real is both kinda funny and scary at the same time)
>space battle fricking kino of the highest order
>throne room stuff top tier Star Wars
I don't know how many times I watched the space battle. It was the best thing around and mindblowing.
Kino
I loved it
>born 1978
>original 6 films
Yes, the six films made by George Lucas.
There's only 6 Star Wars movies.
ROTJ is rough in a lot of places but I'd take it over any of the prequels without question.
>original 6
nice bait
First of all, there are only 3 SW movies. The original three.
Second of all, you're mostly right. The beginning of ROTJ is fine because Jabba is cool and it wraps up Han's cliffhanger from TESB. The end stuff with Luke vs. Vader is pretty great and the music there is chef's kiss. The ewoks of course temper that awesomeness as we cut back and forth, but it still works for me.
The biggest problem with Jedi is, there is NO MIDDLE. After they kill Jabba and leave Tattooine, there is this kinda void in the middle of the movie with the speeder bike chase being the only action/filler scene.
So, you're mostly right. It is the weakest of the THREE Star Wars movies, but still is a fun time overall imo. 8/10
AHN 9.5/10
TESB 10/10
>The biggest problem with Jedi is, there is NO MIDDLE.
untrue. the scenes with yoda/obi are great, the approach of enwor with vader and luke riveting. the speeder bike chase was jaw-dropping in 83 but isnt as exciting anymore and then the ewok stuff is just a real letdown. but it picks up the moment leia and luke have their private conversation and keeps the pace until the end in a wild ride
>The biggest problem with Jedi is, there is NO MIDDLE
A New Hope is literally the same, it goes from Luke getting off Tattoine (first half) to destroying the Death Sar (second half)
moron
Love this film, never got people's problem with it.
Empire and Jedi are the best films
Shut up nerd
Its a great movie with some flaws op is just gay lol
The biggest problem is simply that it was originally much bigger in scope and got cut down massively
Like why does no on ever talk about that?
>Like why does no on ever talk about that?
Well, go on then
In the original version the battle would happen over the imperial capitol called had Abaddon witch eventually became coruscant in the prequels.
endor would be the planets moon.
Instead of Ewoks they would of been a slave camp of Wookie's that would of joined the rebels
witch would of been 100 times better. The throne room scene would taken place under ground In a Sith temple. Also two death stars idk how that would play into the story though. basically the tech at the time fricked the movie over
>witch eventually became coruscant in the Expanded Universe and then TPM
is this coruscant?
>The biggest problem is simply that it was originally much bigger in scope and got cut down massively
>Like why does no on ever talk about that?
I have extensively read several books on the making of the prequel trilogy and this is the first time I have heard about it being "cut down" in scope.
I dont know if this is true or not but it does sound kino.
everything good about Empire Strikes Back gets tossed aside in Return of the Jedi
>Han has been captured so we have to get him back right away in a goofy, convoluted scheme then he does frick all the rest of the movie
>Luke hasn't finished his training yet but Yoda dies and says he's ready anyway
>Luke on the verge of death in the snow hearing a faintly Obi-Wan voice encouraging him turns into Force Ghosts who can have fully fledged conversations and sit on logs
>Chewbacca goes from a competent member of the crew to moronic animal who falls for obvious traps
>Stormtroopers are once again grossly incompetent and get beat by teddy bears
I could go on. Return of the Jedi is a major downgrade compared to Empire.
Obi Wan's force ghost also appears as a complete conversational apparition in Empire as well when Luke leaves Dagobah, so that point at least is moot.
In ESB, Kenobi appears at a major crossroads. Luke's decision has huge consequences.
In Return, he just shows up for a chat.
Yes we've established that these powers exist, but it's the responsibility of the script writer to not cheapen them with willy nilly shit.
Frick off with that. I'm just explaining the differences between the movies and why it affects my opinion of the movies. If you don't agree that's fine, but it doesn't change my feelings on it.
Then explain it that way instead of trying to double down
I'm not gonna qualify everything I say with "in my opinion". I'm just gonna say it. Since we're talking about art it should be a given that this is all opinion.
But I don't blame you. The Internet has ruined discourse for everyone.
kek this isn't a debate with a movable goal post.
Some people don't like the Obi Wan scene in ROTJ.
How do we explain that? Probably has something to do with how Obi Wan is used in ROTJ.
>In ESB, Kenobi appears at a major crossroads
This is true. I'd still feel better about ROTJ's Obi-Wan scenes if it didn't amount to goofy equivocating about "point of view." It was a wasted opportunity.
Basically it sounds like Obi Wan was just used to fill in a plot hole. Hardly a fitting use of the character and Force.
That other anon was complaining about moving goal posts, but with this new revelation I say let them move.
You're not wrong, but George was at the point where nobody could or would correct him when he had a bad idea, and we see that amplified by the 1997 SE's and then 1999 with TPM. He just rushed to get it over with in1983 and his divorce wrecked him emotionally.
ESB was just TOO good, God-tier. There really wasn't anywhere to go but downhill. I just wish it was better than what we got.
He's not talking to obi Wan in rotj. Nor is Yoda talking to obi Wan in esb. That is the living will of the force their communicating with. The spirit. The spirit is simply choosing to manifest as the one named obi Wan to facilitate communication
>>Luke on the verge of death in the snow hearing a faintly Obi-Wan voice encouraging him turns into Force Ghosts who can have fully fledged conversations and sit on logs
To be fair, Obi-Wan hanging around and chatting was part of TESB too. I agree that making Force Ghosts so concrete was a mistake, though, especially since ROTJ doesn't even explore the Obi-Wan/Anakin dynamic in an interesting way.
Also tries to recapture the parental twist by throwing Leia in to the mix, which is just stealing the same plot from ESB, but more. And of course they steal the same plot from ANH with another death star.
It isn't the same plot, though.There's no all-out assault on original Death Star, no ground mission, no major characters ON the Death Star when it's attacked, no threat of Luke being turned, barely any interaction between Luke and Vader.
>There's no all-out assault
Yes there is, in context anyway. By A New Hope the Rebellion was destitute. Presumably with the destruction of the Death Star is why their forces increase gradually from ESB, culminating in RotJ. Also production budget.
>No Ground Mission
Alright, so this is different. Does it make sense? Frick no. This is one of those "had to give them something to do" sequences because why the frick would you have a shield generator for a spaceship in orbit on the surface?
>no major characters ON the Death Star when it's attacked
Grand Moff Tarkin is the main antagonist of Star Wars and he dies with the Death Star.
>no threat of Luke being turned
Sure, but an emotionally similar plot was there and used in the same exact point. That being during the Assault on the Death Star and Trench Run, when Luke is not fully committed to the force. It's a pretty famous scene, when he's tempted to use his own skill as a pilot and the rebellion's "uncivilized" technology, but eventually trusts Obi-Wan and switches off his targeting computer.
>barely any interaction between Luke and Vader
Not like any of it mattered or made any sense in RotJ anyway. All Luke needed from Vader was to know he was fallen, and he saw it in A New Hope with Obi-Wan's death. Everything after that is superficial.
Vader's interactions with Luke and the former's "redemption" have absolutely no impact on the latter's arc. Their interactions beyond thematic dueling are meaningless.
Han was only frozen because Lucas didn't know if Harrison Ford was returning for Jedi or not and Obi-Wan had a whole back and forth with Luke on Dagobah before Luke left.
>>Luke on the verge of death in the snow hearing a faintly Obi-Wan voice encouraging him turns into Force Ghosts who can have fully fledged conversations and sit on logs
After the snow voice he does his training with Yoda. Makes sense he can then see Ben's force ghost.
It does bug that we never get Force ghost Obi-Wan furthering Luke's training.
If you go by the Thrawn trilogy as a sequel, Obi-Wan departs forever without really teaching Luke much
>Return of the Jedi is a major downgrade compared to Empire.
Nobody has ever said otherwise. But Han did lead a fight into the bunker on Endor which mostly wound up on the cutting room floor. And Obi Wan did the same shit in ESB on Dagobah too.
>There is another. You have a twin sister.
Leia!
>What? God, no, are serious? It's some chick you've never even met. There's a whole galaxy of women, and Leia is the only one you know. You've made out with Leia, why would you even, you know what never mind.
>things people with 40IQ say
do we hate andor? it was boring at first but the third episode drew me in
Andor is genuinely good.
Andor is kino of the highest order, it's the ESB of the D+ era
>original 6 films
No gay, it was the beginning of the end and still better than any of the prequels.
It's the best movie in the entire series.
Tatooine section begins exactly at minute 5...
and it ends on minute 37. The whole section lasts 32 minutes.
peak john williams
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Into the Trap ist Joe Besser.
kino timing. i'm literally listening to it right now
Nice one, universe.
I honestly just liked it because the levels in the lego game were the coolest
>lego game
fricking based
I'm not a gamer but just 100%'d Lego Star Wars, and it was the best $5 I ever spent (it was 75% off for May the 4th)
throne room scenes were boring as frick with cliche dialogues. the jabba part is the only good part
The prequels were way worse. inb4 troon rage
You'd rather be watching the prequels than the Disney sequel trilogy!
>Cinemaphile hates the prequels now
tf happened??
>now
I remember seeing Luke force choke the fricking pigmen in the beginning while wearing all black and genuinely thinking he was a site now.
The throne room scene (while one of the best in the history of cinema) should have had Luke having more internal uncertainty over whether to join the dark side or not. That said the ending (while I think being social-culturally untenable) has a truly powerful fricking message about the innate evil of violence; while still asserting fundamentally only violence can defeat evil (Vader is the one to slay the emporer, not luke)
Episode was 6 was my favorite as a kid and I still think it’s one of the strongest in the series.
But I also like episode 1 the most out the prequels; so take my opinions with a grain of salt lol
RotJ may not be the “best” of the OT but it is by far my favorite. Walks a pretty good like between campy and grimdark for me, I like the semi-schizo juxtaposition rather than ANH just being a hopeful and mostly-cheery (other than OB1 and Alderaan blowing up) Hero’s Journey, and ESB being 2edgy4u Nolan-Lite antics
>Objectively:
IV = 9/10
V = 9.5/10
VI = 8.5/10
I = 7/10
II = 5/10
III = 8/10
GenndyWars = 8.5/10
Nothing else exists/is canon except some of the cool lore from shit like the Thrawn books, KOTOR, Jedi Academy, etc
:
>IV = 9/10
>V = 9.5/10
>VI = 8.5/10
>I = 7/10
>II = 5/10
>III = 8/10
>GenndyWars = 8.5/10
ultra based ranking
Shadows of the Empire should have been a movie.
more soul there than in everything Disney has made combined
It was planned, but nobody could agree on how to pronounce Xizor so it got shelved.
>Holiday Special : november 78
>Return of the Jedi : may 83
You can't blame Lucas for choosing Ewoks instead of Wookies. Not enough time had passed since that disaster.
>That face, you make. Look I so old to young eyes?
>No. Of course not
>I do. Yes, I do. Hmm, sick, have I become. Old and weak... When 900 years old, you reach, look as good, you will not, hmm?... Soon, will I rest, yes. Forever sleep. Earned it, I have
>Master Yoda, you can't die
>Strong am I with the Force... but not that strong. Twilight is upon me, and soon, night must fall. That is the way of things... the way of the Force
>But I need your help. I've come back to complete the training
>No more training, do you require. Already know you that which you need
>...Then I am a Jedi
>Not yet. One thing remains: Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi, will you be. And confront him, you will
>Master Yoda... is Darth Vader my father?
>...Rest, I need. Yes, rest
>Yoda, I must know
>... Your father, he is... Told you, did he?
>Yes
>Unexpected, this is, and unfortunate
>Unfortunate that I know the truth?
>No. Unfortunate that you rushed to face him. That incomplete, was your training. That not ready for the burden, were you
>I'm sorry
>Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware : anger, fear, aggression-the dark side, are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny... Luke... Luke... do not... Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor, or suffer your father's fate, you will. Luke... when gone, am I, the last of the Jedi, will you be. Luke, the Force runs strong in your family. Pass on what you have learned. Luke... There... is... another... Sk... Sky... walker
Great scene
>original 6 films
Welp stopped reading right there.
It's obvious you are a zoomer moron
This was where Star Wars peaked, with this theme.
The worst revelation in ROTJ was Leia being Luke's sister. It was so last minute and you know the reason Lucas came up with that plot point was because it was an excuse for why the main guy didn't get the girl. But frick that. Let Luke become a celibate monk and go through an actual character arc. He realizes he doesn't need the girl. He walks the path of a Jedi.
Everything in the Emperor's throne room was kino of the highest caliber though. My favorite moment in the entire series. I still get chills during this scene when Luke gets more aggressive and starts wailing on Vader. That ominous choir is just so good.
In hindsight it's amazing how basic (and bad) the two major sword fights are in Return and Star Wars (Yes it's fricking Star Wars not a new hope) yet they convey ten times more emotion and levity than anything that came after it.
>Star Wars not a new hope
Agree. Wish George didn't replace Jabba with CGI. Could have just left it up to the audiences imagination or some shit.
The basic-ness is exactly why they convey more emotion and levity; the action is more clearly readable, and slow enough that you can noticeably vary the intensity and pacing at different moments.
De wana wanga?
Why were Luke and Vader related?
>Luke, if you do not join with me I will torture your friends and mindrape your sister into submission
>>A Few Moments Later
>NOOOOOOO PALPATINE THAT'S MY SON
Because despite everything seeing your own flesh and blood being tortured is still enough for you to speak up and say hey come on now buddy, this is my son your torturing here.
He didn't seem to care about torturing Luke in ESB, or threatening to torture Luke, Leia, Han, etc... I guess Vader has that old school mentality, right? Only HE is allowed to choke his wife and dismember his children, nobody else.
I still don't understand why they were all related though. Vader is the fallen knight, Luke starts to see himself (literally) in him and chooses the light. If you really need the redemption, just do the same Goddamn thing but mirrored, so Vader is now seeing his past life in Luke, and chooses redemption.
The whole genetic space magic crap didn't come until later, so what the actual frick was the story purpose for having these three characters be blood related? I love you George, but Jesus Christ Return of the Jedi is such a shit film.
I thought them being related wasn't originally planned and just got added into Empire as an epic twist
Which would make sense in hindsight seeing as Vader seems to have zero empathy toward Leia whatsoever in ANH
He doesn't know Leia's his daughter in ANH, he only learns it in ROTJ when facing Luke at the end and sensing his feelings for her.
that sounds like a retcon designed to explain the aforementioned inconsistency also luke and leia being siblings was probably so she could end up with the very popular han solo instead of luke
>If you really need the redemption, just do the same Goddamn thing but mirrored, so Vader is now seeing his past life in Luke, and chooses redemption.
The movies literally do that. There's foreshadowing leading up to Vader's redemption throughout, even back in ESB when he tries to turn Luke instead of killing him, and then in RotJ Luke turns himself in to the Imperials on Endor to try and convince Vader, telling him he can still see the good in him. Vader tells him it's too late for him and Luke replies "Then my father is truly dead", and you get the lingering shot of a melancholy Vader on the bridge holding Luke's lightsaber while his son is taken away.
Yeah I'm aware they tease the redemption five minutes before it occurs, and for the record in between that shot of melancholy" you have Vader threatening Luke's friends as well as, like I mentioned before, his sister. Specifically saying that if Luke refuses to join him (Vader), he will mindrape Leia. So much for that whole melancholy, huh? So when does the genetic relation become relevant again? For what purpose did Vader, Luke, and Leia need to be related?
>For what purpose did Vader, Luke, and Leia need to be related?
Why the hell would Luke turn himself into the Imperials then? He would have stayed with Han and gang on Endor otherwise.
Vader doesn't give a shit about the snot nosed brats that hang around his son. He loves his family. His son can just make new friends if he breaks his current ones.
His son is his redemption. And he's protecting him throughout the original trilogy. R2 was anakins Droid and who is it that's constantly looking after and saving Leia and luke, obi Wan? Frick no he fricks up as always and gets himself killed. R2 D2
Luke being Vader's son unironically compromises the "moment of pure compassion" Lucas wanted in that everyone understands that Vader only did it because Luke was his son, so it wasn't some totally selfless thing, but because of their attachment.
It was done this way because Lucas could intuit that nobody would buy into Vader redeeming himself if Luke was just some random person to him, when he'd already killed so many random people. So Lucas understood that his core ideal was bunk. But in reality this was a problem he himself caused by deciding to make the Empire so irrationally 2D evil, and even moreso by having Vader choke out so many of his own guys in ESB specifically to remind the viewer that he was evil.
If he had allowed for depth and complexity in the conflict, and showed that there was good in the Empire and in Vader from the start, then Luke doesn't need to be related to Vader, and his turn is much more natural because he's shocked by Palpatine's own display of pointless cruelty.
But it's a movie for twelve year olds designed to subtly indoctrinator them, so this was not done.
ESB shows good on Vader at the end when he spares Piett, who thought he was a goner.
Piett did nothing wrong and Vader doesn't just kill every officer, only the incompetent frickups.
Vader was just too shook at his own failure to kill Piett.
Interesting food for thought here, actually. I'm considerably more gracious toward Lucas but I'd never considered how Luke and Vader could have had an even stronger relationship that transcended family ties.
>he took on a new name
Vader is an incredibly obvious trans allegory. You're right to question the father son dynamic. It's actually a bottom top dynamic but since homosexuality didn't sell in the 1980s they filtered it through a ronald Reagan family friendly lens. Complete with rose tinting.
Luke... I am your groomer
I israelite the Vader/Anakin retcon, but I agree. The fact Luke is a fresh-faced apprentice of Obi-Wan was already enough for Luke and Vader to themselves in each other. That's obviously why the retcon works, but it was far from necessary.
>I israelite
The jedi are just as wrong as the sith. Both seek to oppose the forces living will and use it's power instead to enforce their own will. One power trips with a smile, the other a frown, but their nature's are the same.
Anakins role as chosen one and savior is not to win americas most popular jedi. Or to be an arbiter of good morals. It's to balance the force, as the living will of the force intended. And a scale is balanced at zero
I knew they were brainwashing out the critical thinking skills of your generation but DAMN you're stupid! The film literally gives you everything to understand the plot, and nobody has struggled with this plot point for decades until you morons came along.
Because star wars is a flimsy allegory for defeating the heckin patriarchy. What the sith believe in isn't evil it's just old German philosophy
Concepts of good and evil are used by the power elite to divide and conquer us
They're using AI tripgays now?
It started in ESB, Vader saw how strong Luke's convictions were, and ended when he was willing to die for his beliefs. And you see Vader literally looking between Luke, who maintained faith in him, and the Emperor who was pure evil. Pure kino that you're too stupid to grasp. Sad.
Thats an element people overlook. Luke is letting himself die to save his father. He has that much faith in him.
>you already have
>tripgay
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people were shitting on the prequels and lucas years before the mouse took over
Exciting but irrelevant first act and an inert second act.
The problems with the first act were a meme for a while, but the complaints were all spot on. And seriously watch how little of what happens on Endor in the second act actually matters – the Rebels form a plan, then Luke and Liea fly around on speeder bikes, Chewie gets them caught in a net, they escape immediately only to get caught again, Luke saves them with magic, then they fart around while C3PO retells the prior two movies to teddy bears. It's probably 40 minutes of screen time and it's interminable.
The question should be what went right with Episodes 4 and 5? Because all the other movies are shit.
The climax of Star Wars was in that Throne Room when Luke rejects the dark side and spares his father, and when Vader betrays his master to save his son. It barely even makes sense but there is no doubt that it WORKS. Pure kino and pure soul.
It will never get better than that.
>we see the emperor torturing Luke
>cuts to Vader watching
>cuts back to Luke
>back to Vader
>the music is slowly changing
>and then Vader kills the emperor
It's perfect kino. We just see a dude who's wearing a plastic mask, but somehow we know what he's about to do... and then Lucas decided to frick it all up by adding "NO!" "NOOOO!!" "NOOOO!". I don't know who made Star Wars, but it sure as hell wasn't that dude.
>I don't know who made Star Wars, but it sure as hell wasn't that dude.
Gary Kurtz and Marcia Lucas were VASTLY underappreciated on their tard wrangling abilities.
Honestly this
RotJ's runtime is probably the least relevant in the greatest scheme of things besides the Endor battle, but damn if it doesn't have the most cathartic and dramatic finale in all of film history.
>Luke, what's wrong?
>Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
>Just a little bit. She died when I was very young
>What do you remember?
>Just images, really, feelings
>Tell me
>She was... very beautiful. Kind, but sad. Why are you asking me of this?
>I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her
>Luke, tell me. What's troubling you?
>Vader's here. Now, on this moon
>How do you know?
>I felt his presence. He's come for me. He can feel when I'm near. That's why I have to go. As long as I stay, I'm endangering the group and our mission here. I have to face him
>Why?
>...He's my father
>...Your father?
>There's more. It won't be easy for you to hear it, but you must. If I don't make it back, you're the only hope for the Alliance
>Luke, don't talk that way. You have a power I don't understand and could never have
>You're wrong, Leia. You have that power too. In time you'll learn to use it as I have. The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it, and... my sister has it.... Yes. It's you, Leia.
>I know. Somehow, I've always known
>Then you know why I have to face him
>No. Luke, run away, far away. If he can feel your presence, then leave this place. I wish I could go with you.
>No, you don't. You've always been strong
>But why must you confront him?
>Because there is good in him. I've felt it. He won't turn me over to the Emperor. I can save him; I can turn him back to the good side. I have to try (kisses Leia on the cheek, then leaves)
What do you think of this exchange?
All things considered this is far from the cringiest shit George has written.
He probably didn't even write this, just laid out the premise "Leia is Luke's sister, now go!" and someone more capable wrote it for him.
The only thing I'd cut is the
>I know. Somehow, I've always known
I deeply wish I could have fricked her gorgeous brains out
is that her stunt double?
Yes
I wish Princess Leia and her stunt double would grab *my* dick.
/sniffle
I thought carrie later claimed that she felt so objectified and exploited wearing that costume, why does she look like she's having fun
Cocaine's a helluva drug.
Who'd have EVER thought she'd die of an OD?
>waaah my life is so hard, I'm the child of a wealthy movie star with every privilege imaginable, I must fill my body with drugs to cope
The stunt double is hot
I remember talking to my friends on the playground about how it made me feel weird
So are the other films directed by Richard Marquand any good?
>tfw no bros to get the $4.95 FREE KIDS WORKS with and go home and watch the original trilogy on widescreen VHS
I'll bring the Mountain Dew
Anon wanna come over after we have pizza hut and play Vidya?
some of my most beloved childhood memories include watching my dad ragequit this game repeatedly in disgust lol
Return of the Jedi is the biggest pleb filter in all of Star Wars, you can immediately learn everything you need to know of a person by whether they like this movie or not. It's a litmus test for midwits and fake fans; disliking Return automatically exposes you as a parasitic secondary who doesn't actually like Star Wars.
Oh, and I add: ROTJ is a bigger pleb filter than even the prequels. A person's opinion on ROTJ symptomatically reveals their opinion on the prequels, you can guarantee with 100% reliability that if somebody is b***hing about ewoks they were the first to bully Jake Lloyd and seethe over Jar Jar Binks, to whine over CGI clones and Padme and Anakin's romance dialogue, and to cry about Grievous being a cowardly b***h instead of an unstoppable anime villain from Genndywars.
Stay mad.
How many Jar Jar tongue candy's did you suck on you PT apologist?
I have to agree. I think the PT and ROTJ are much better than 4 and 5.
The prequels are bad.
I can never tell if prequel haters are impressionable zoomers or ass mad boomers anymore
In my case, neither. The prequels are just shitty movies.
I was a kid when the prequels came out and I found Episode 1 boring enough that I never saw the rest in theaters. My older sister later persuaded me to watch Episode 3 despite my not having seen 2 and it was just as much corny melodramatic shit as I expected. Also I followed the story pretty easily despite skipping an entire movie which lead me to believe episode 2 was mostly shitty filler.
You sound like a homosexual and I want to bang your based sister
she also loved NuWars
Even better. You think I wouldn't want her to dress up as Rey and hate frick her?
I love ROTJ but it's still a massive drop from ESB
I like RotJ, I love Boba Fett, I'm fine that he jobbed out to the big sand vegana.
The prequels are still garbage.
homosexual.
Best space battle in Star Wars by miles. Plus Jabba's palace, the speederbike chase and the throne room scenes. It's great, just could have used something better than the ewok village between all that.
I'm not sure which is a more kino 2 minute long scene, Luke looking at the two suns in ANH or Vader telling Luke he saved him.
The Ahsoka show could either be waifu overload or annoying girl power bullshit again.
the actress they chose for live action ashoka is ugly as hell, so no chance for the former.
i miss old lucasfilm where almost every female character had to be sexy. anyone remember that old shitty psp game with the twilek mc? good times. back when the series was made by nerds for nerds.
>Remember how I told you to stay here and complete your training on Dagobah with me, and not go confront Vader?
yeah?
>Well now your training will only be complete when you go confront Vader.
what?
>Heard me you did. Now I die.
>ESB - you will become an Agent of Evil
>doesn't
>okay then go finish the job
Nobody ever had problems with this before you, so I guess the problem is you.
It was the start of Lucas's "we must have 3 or 4 simultaneous end scenes" gimmick. It was executed ok in RotJ - apart from the ewok crap which should have been cut completely.
The end of the phantom menace tries to copy RotJ which a space battle, a jedi fight and a ground battle but by this stage Lucas was out of control. There is an incredibly funny scene in the behind the scenes phantom menace with Lucas and Berman watching it for the first time and realising what a shit show it was.
ITT: Gen X morons worshiping their prophets RedditLetterMedia
Somehow... the Death Star returned.
>Yeah, lets just scrap all those plans and hard work.
When a battleship gets sunk do we scrap the entire design? How fricking dumb are you?
to be fair I'm pretty dumb
what exactly is the point of just blowing up entire planets when you are trying to expand your galactic empire?
>what exactly is the point of just blowing up entire planets
Did you even WATCH the first fricking film you moron? Tarkin specifically addressed this point you moron.
>blow up every planet that opposes you so only planets you rule still exist
what's the point of nukes? to induce fear first and foremost
..seriously what's with star wars movies filtering morons when the movies are simple?
both the ot and SPECIALLY the pt attract so many dumb complaints
>SPECIALLY
George would probably tell you it was an allegory for the bombs dropped on Japan.
While it is beneath me to talk to Gen X morons who still jerk themselves off to how deep Empire was, the point of the second Death Star was to trap the rebels. Getting to recreate the First one and threaten any remnants of rebellion that they'd get blown up is a nice bonus, but the whole point of the Death Star II and Sheev even going to it was to lead the Rebels into a trap. This is literally outright stated in the movie.
I like ewoks
They're goofy and fun but they didn't deserve so much fricking screen time. At least JarJar was funny.
>At least JarJar was funny
Star Wars is garbage.
How did George know every young boy who wanted to be like Luke would turn into Anakin?
In 1987 this country passed a no fault divorce law. That paired with a mass media that emphasized MORAL RELATIVISM as a good messaging for children... And the better question is how didn't everyone realize this wayward generation of boys would be easily lead astray? Oh wait they did, they just didn't care.
Those same people are still mad trump took advantage of that forgotten America to get popular
It's really really easy to fall to the dark side
Says a fool that believes in good and evil
Anakin was fulfilling his destiny and serving God on lava planet
The jedi had to go first because they where a bigger problem than the sith
It’s my favorite because of the music (yes it’s different,) space battle, and Luke/Vader duel and redemption. Everyone fricking cry’s about the Ewoks because of some gay ass Kevin Smith movie.
There's only 3 Star Wars films though.
The three first movies really sucked because there were no proper fights. It was fourth movie onward that we started getting some proper lightsaber duels
This thread is full of Disney shills attacking prequels
Wow hot take never heard this opinion before. The worst Star Wars movie was New Hope because it had the least amount of action and the trilogy had not even been written so it was full of goofy unnecessary shit and sitcom tier moments and it was never meant to be taken as seriously as you nerds took it.
Ironically the thing I like most about RotJ is they built another Death Star. It would unrealistic as Hell if the Empire didn't, like Wile E. Coyote failing and instead of trying to correct the flaw in his plan, moving immediately onto another elaborate plan.
Luke hit the exhaust and it triggered the reactor. Okay, they dun fricked up because they assumed a fighter couldn't be a legit threat and make a shot like that. Fine. Obviously they can correct that on the next one.
Also frick Rogue One bullshit where that was a planned flaw. The exhaust port was only two metres wide and ray shielded. It's impossible to hit, even for a computer, (Gold Leader homosexual proved it). That's why the Death Star was still the ultimate power in the universe, no matter what 8-bit holographic data the Rebels had obtained. Maybe a Jedi could hit it but their kind is defeated and extinct. Besides in the event of a fighter attack and them flying so fast they evade the turbolasers, you could analyse their strategy, see the danger, and deploy your own fighters to pick them off one by one. Not to mention you have Darth Vader on your side and he's not such a bad pilot himself.
The Emperor's plan to once and for all wipe out the rebellion by endangering the second Death Star was cool, and the half-constructed Death Star looked fricking cool, not to mention flying through the structure itself being epic. Genius.
homosexuals who whine about 'another Death Star' in the OT are morons. After that though where they make another one planet size for the sake of it, that's moronic. It could have worked in some way I suppose, but it's played off like some kind of joke. Totally wasted. So after that you're done with Death Stars because Jar-Jar Abrams killed them, before then killing Star Destroyers.
My least favourite film of the OT is 'The Empire Strikes Back' because it's half a movie and just suddenly ends in the middle. The first one is perfect.
To be fair the Empire would've won the battle at the first Death Star if they launched all their fighters. Tarkin was an overconfident moron and refused to even take the rebel attack seriously.
1977
George Lucas famously told Carrie Fisher on the set of Star Wars, “There's no underwear in space.” He did this because her diaphanous white costume would show any seams under the bright lights, so she was braless and wearing tape on her boobs so her nipples didn't show.
2023
Dave Filoni live action D+ SW Ahsoka show Episode 2:
Blue, purplish hair Natasha Liu Bordizzo Sabine Wren, with her complete makeup and her rainbow nail polish, wakes up in the Lothal hospital wearing only with her g-sting space bikini.
they didnt kill off han solo in empire and in jedi he has nothing to do. kills the entire movie for me
He's the impetus for the entire first act.
But yeah after that they should have killed off Han at some point during the Jabba or Endor shit. It's what Harrison Ford rightly wanted.
But Lucas was all about the dollar at that point and probably saw killing off a big three character might effect his merchandise sales or something.
Pic unrelated
god I love the original trilogy
The first movie has a build up and suspense in the final battle that is truly epic, everything just culminates perfectly until everything is riding on the moment of truth for our heroes. It's easy to forget just how good it is until you go back and watch it again. And not just as Star Wars, or sci-fi, or 'muh space opera", but it's just epic cinema doing everything right to put you on hte edge of your seat, pure and simple.
I like RotJ because of the triple ending where they got a similar effect. Three battles being fought simultaneously all of which our heroes have to succeed in to win the day.
The prequels did the same thing poorly with more endings, but I always loved the way RotJ pulled it off.
I liked the elevader scene
If Death Star II was a moronic idea what else should it be? Just a space fight with Super Star Destroyer?
Would have been cool to instead be a huge battle over Coruscant and on the surface. Would have looked great back then before turning it all to cgi
Throne room scenes was the most magnificent ones that saved everything bad in ROTJ
and then this happened
i thought that was cool as a kid
>Evil machine regains his humanity
>Literally shows humanity underneath the machine
Thought it was kino, still do
>original 6
you mean 3, son
Star Wars was never good
How dare you that's my favourite star wars film.
Mine too, OP is clearly a moron
Star Wars has always been dogshit.