It's Thanos Wins. The penance stare doesn't work on Thanos, in fact he thinks the experience is cool. So he keeps lame quippy space Ghost Rider around so he can get a penance stare from him when he feels like it, as they wait around at the end of the world.
Punisher is one of the few characters this makes sense for, at least to some extent. Maybe he regrets not spending a few more moments with his family, but Punisher's whole gimmick is that he specifically, exhaustively only kills people who deserve it (unless the writer forgot)
So if Ghost Rider used this on a sociopath/psychopath who's brain physically incapable of regretting this stuff it will fail? Is it up to the person being punished to decide if they deserve it? Is there some cosmic judge that has to make a call every time Ghost Rider uses this ability?
Doesn't the Penance Stare force you to feel bad?
And that's why when someone like Carol tanks it it reads like she's a giant fricking Sociopath who couldn't care less?
It's an Auto-win move so the writers decided that instead their favorite character tanks it and they're so cool and vicious for tanking the Auto-win move which makes the Stare and Ghost Rider fricking lame and now no one remembers how the stare properly works because it hasn't properly worked for over 2 decades
It varies wildly from comic to comic. In some, the victim literally burns with anguish and pain as they are tortured in proportion to all the evil they've done. In others, it's supposed to hyperfocus all repressed guilt and shame, making it impossible for the victim to deny the atrocities and sins they've committed. In either case, it doesn't work if the victim is super strong or tough, or if they genuinely don't give a frick and have never once cared nor doubted the things they've done.
>In either case, it doesn't work if the victim is super strong or tough, or if they genuinely don't give a frick and have never once cared nor doubted the things they've done.
imo that makes the Stare lame since a street level gooner like Punisher can just tank it because he's mentally unwell. The lack of consistency only harms it
A better reaction for would be for Frank to collapse with the pain of all his victims ... and then raise his head grinning, because now he *knows* they suffered.
Or be sad, because they should have suffered more.
Punisher is one of the few characters this makes sense for, at least to some extent. Maybe he regrets not spending a few more moments with his family, but Punisher's whole gimmick is that he specifically, exhaustively only kills people who deserve it (unless the writer forgot)
This just means canonically Frank did nothing wrong. Any criminal who kills still gets fricked up, but Frank gets a free pass from Satan or whoever to keep doing it.
So does it make you feel the pain or not? Like if someone has stabbed even one person to death that's already enough pain where you won't be able to think straight. Anymore than 2-3 death and it's completely unbelievable they would be able to take any action even with 'le will power'.
Does the ability need the person's permission to work?
It used to just be you’d be attacked by the physical weight of the sins on your soul it never had anything to do with how you felt about what you did and I don’t know who started that trend
Man, cartoon Xavier's AIIEE was so good. But yeah, the X-men have done a lot of ill shit lately so I think they all deserve a good starin' at, but the writers would definitely give most of them some bullshit defense against it
it is the classic fate for every single "insta-kill" move.
the writers must always find a way to justify it missfiring against the top dogs, otherwise every single story would end instantly once said character is on screen.
that doesn't justify the bullshits writers uses to excuse them > he is SO CRAZY/SO EVIL/SO POWERFUL he is immune to my super powerful technique
so it is limited as fodder control or just final punishment against an already defeathed villain.
The Penance stare should INFLICT YOU WITH THE PAIN OF EVERYONE YOU'VE EVER MADE SUFFER. That's what it SHOULD do, no fricking guilt involved at any point of the equation. It doesn't MATTER if you regret, why the frick should Hell care if you regret? Punishment is not something you only get if you want to. God I fricking hate those writers.
It WORKS like that, issue is they keep having to nerf it into the fricking ground because otherwise ghost rider would one shot literally every marvel antagonist in a crossover and it's either this moronic "only if you feel guilt" or straight up not having him be around, which would be equally moronic
The hard part should be him being able to do the penance stare in the first place, having to subdue the villain enough that he can just walk up to them and make them stare into his eyes. The penance stare should be the ultimate frick-you superfinisher that only gets pulled out after he's already won.
I'd agree, but use "Every Innocent", because that still allows Frank to get away mostly unscathed but would absolutely rawdog someone like Mr. Snapped Half the Universe Dead.
where can I read this
It's Thanos Wins. The penance stare doesn't work on Thanos, in fact he thinks the experience is cool. So he keeps lame quippy space Ghost Rider around so he can get a penance stare from him when he feels like it, as they wait around at the end of the world.
Comics are just garbage.
Punisher is one of the few characters this makes sense for, at least to some extent. Maybe he regrets not spending a few more moments with his family, but Punisher's whole gimmick is that he specifically, exhaustively only kills people who deserve it (unless the writer forgot)
So if Ghost Rider used this on a sociopath/psychopath who's brain physically incapable of regretting this stuff it will fail? Is it up to the person being punished to decide if they deserve it? Is there some cosmic judge that has to make a call every time Ghost Rider uses this ability?
Pretty much. It's supposed to make petty criminals confront all their bad feelings and shame and guilt all at once.
Doesn't the Penance Stare force you to feel bad?
And that's why when someone like Carol tanks it it reads like she's a giant fricking Sociopath who couldn't care less?
It's an Auto-win move so the writers decided that instead their favorite character tanks it and they're so cool and vicious for tanking the Auto-win move which makes the Stare and Ghost Rider fricking lame and now no one remembers how the stare properly works because it hasn't properly worked for over 2 decades
It varies wildly from comic to comic. In some, the victim literally burns with anguish and pain as they are tortured in proportion to all the evil they've done. In others, it's supposed to hyperfocus all repressed guilt and shame, making it impossible for the victim to deny the atrocities and sins they've committed. In either case, it doesn't work if the victim is super strong or tough, or if they genuinely don't give a frick and have never once cared nor doubted the things they've done.
>In either case, it doesn't work if the victim is super strong or tough, or if they genuinely don't give a frick and have never once cared nor doubted the things they've done.
imo that makes the Stare lame since a street level gooner like Punisher can just tank it because he's mentally unwell. The lack of consistency only harms it
A better reaction for would be for Frank to collapse with the pain of all his victims ... and then raise his head grinning, because now he *knows* they suffered.
Or be sad, because they should have suffered more.
This just means canonically Frank did nothing wrong. Any criminal who kills still gets fricked up, but Frank gets a free pass from Satan or whoever to keep doing it.
Ah yes the time has come yet again for the jobbing compilation.
So does it make you feel the pain or not? Like if someone has stabbed even one person to death that's already enough pain where you won't be able to think straight. Anymore than 2-3 death and it's completely unbelievable they would be able to take any action even with 'le will power'.
Does the ability need the person's permission to work?
It used to just be you’d be attacked by the physical weight of the sins on your soul it never had anything to do with how you felt about what you did and I don’t know who started that trend
Ghost rider with the penance state vs Cartoon mutant psychics.
Who wins
>hits Xavier as he is opening a telepathic link to GR
>GR feels penance stare
>both AIIIIEEEE and collapse
Man, cartoon Xavier's AIIEE was so good. But yeah, the X-men have done a lot of ill shit lately so I think they all deserve a good starin' at, but the writers would definitely give most of them some bullshit defense against it
Imagine if Miles electric i win touch got treated like the peenance stare
I'm so sick of people making my boy a joke.
i get what you're saying OP and i agree with you
the penance stare in the morbius comic was cool artistically speaking, and so is the mesmerize stare off between morbius and the basilisk
Seems like it. It's the kind of power that seems to really suffer from comic characters showing up in other characters stories.
it is the classic fate for every single "insta-kill" move.
the writers must always find a way to justify it missfiring against the top dogs, otherwise every single story would end instantly once said character is on screen.
that doesn't justify the bullshits writers uses to excuse them
> he is SO CRAZY/SO EVIL/SO POWERFUL he is immune to my super powerful technique
so it is limited as fodder control or just final punishment against an already defeathed villain.
>When it actually DOESN'T job
The Penance stare should INFLICT YOU WITH THE PAIN OF EVERYONE YOU'VE EVER MADE SUFFER. That's what it SHOULD do, no fricking guilt involved at any point of the equation. It doesn't MATTER if you regret, why the frick should Hell care if you regret? Punishment is not something you only get if you want to. God I fricking hate those writers.
It WORKS like that, issue is they keep having to nerf it into the fricking ground because otherwise ghost rider would one shot literally every marvel antagonist in a crossover and it's either this moronic "only if you feel guilt" or straight up not having him be around, which would be equally moronic
The hard part should be him being able to do the penance stare in the first place, having to subdue the villain enough that he can just walk up to them and make them stare into his eyes. The penance stare should be the ultimate frick-you superfinisher that only gets pulled out after he's already won.
>crossover
Yeah, they really is where all the problems lie.
I'd agree, but use "Every Innocent", because that still allows Frank to get away mostly unscathed but would absolutely rawdog someone like Mr. Snapped Half the Universe Dead.
>Penance Stare is just the Death spell from RPGs like Final Fantasy
>works on everything but mini-bosses, bosses, and story-relevant characters
>One page later
That's not the Penance stare, though. It's just burning the flesh off his skull and killing him.
It works in the story you posted